Eller Chronicles May 93 p- 2

The Eller Chronicles


Vol. VII NO 2.THE ELLER FAMILY ASSOCIATIONMAY 1993

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NOTES ON A GERMAN WEDDING, GERMAN LANDMARKS, GERMAN ELLERS, AND A NEW FORMAT FOR LISTING DESCENDENCY DATA

K. Napp-Zinn, Koln, Germany

(From ltr. begun 3 Jan. 1993 and completed 15 March 1993 to J. Gerald Eller):

" I have married again 5 days ago! My wife's first name is Asta, and she is a botanist (D. Sc.), too. She would like to assist the Portland Eller Family Conference together with me in July." (Note: See the wedding announcement below; we have sent congratulations to Klaus and Asta and assured them that all their EFA friends attending Conf '93 will be looking forward to the third visit from Klaus and the first visit of Asta).

"In my last letter I had mentioned the Eller street in Bonn. Meanwhile I found out that it had been named after a deputy mayor (in German= Beigeordneter) of the city of Bonn. I even found his tomb on the Old Cemetery of Bonn (where many famous tombs are still to be seen, like those of the composer Robert Schumann and the astronomer Argelander, Its inscription reads as follows: Peter Innocenz Eller, Beigeordneter der Stadt Bonn, 29. 3. 1818 - 27. 4. 1893. I do not yet know where he was born and to which line he belongs, Because of the name of Innocenz it seems to me that he must have been roman catholic.

"Another recent discovery of mine is that Hans Eller from Berlin won a gold medal at the 10th Olympic Games in Los Angeles in 1932 (rowing: four with steersman). ( Or did any body of EFA know that already?)

"My mother's health has been restored satisfactorily, but she is getting weaker, of course, and her memory decreases. Next week she will become 94 years old!

"Today (March 15) our Institute's program of lectures and courses for the summer term 1993 modified in such a manner that my wife's duties will end upon July 13. So we intend to arrive at Portland on Wednesday, July 14, in the evening if there is a convenient flight."

Elsewhere in this issue appears the genealogy submitted by Klaus. With regard to the format scheme which he uses, he has this to say: "The entire system of descendency lettering appears to need explanation. I say "lettering" - and not "numbering" - and that is one difference of my system as compared to that to which Bill refers on p. 46 of the Feb. Chronicles (cf p. 303 of the November Chronicles). The chief advantage of "my" system (in comparison with the latter) is that it is much easier to insert new results of further research; and I do hope that in the Eller research lots of new results are still to be expected. It is easy to show the disadvantages of the NGS system with the most recent example in the Chronicles, p. 18 of the Feb. 1993 issue: Let us say, you want to include the children of Chelsie Baird Eller (p. 20, Identifying number 15)! These children would belong to the eighth generation obviously. To this (8th) generation the Identifying numbers 44-121 are attributed, but no numbers are reserved for Chelsie Baird Eller's children! As all the numbers until 243 are already reserved to other persons, there are two possibilities: they will either get numbers above 243 (which would correspond to the 11th generation!), or they get Identifying "numbers" like 46a, 46b, 46c, etc; their children would get 128a, 128b, 128c, etc. And if further insertions become necessary, you will get aa, ab, ba, bb, cc, etc. I can show you German genealogies with thousands of persons, with such "emergency numbers" which are therefore, very difficult to read (or rather: to understand). Thus, I should like to warn you with regard to such a system.




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"On the other hand, "my" system allows continuous completion and inclusion of newly found persons - without any change of lettering. Imagine, Philipp Jacob Eller ( p. 13 of my list: AAC.F) had married, and the couple had children. They would simply get the symbols AAC. Fa (if a daughter), AAC.FB (if a son) and AAC. Fc (if another daughter), etc. The number of characters (letters) already indicates the generation, while a number like 91 in the NGS system does not necessarily indicate the generation (it does so , of course, only in the context of the page in question). And "my" system indictes the sex of all persons: a capital letter at the end signifies a male, and a small letter signifies a female person. I hope we shall be able to discuss further aspects at Portland. "

(Eds. We know the topic of "numbering" or "lettering" systems are not matters of great interest to EFA members unless they are involved in research. However, the subject is of considerable interest to us. For example, examine the first three genealogies in this issue. The first, by Kay Black, was reformatted by us from large charts submitted by Kay and then resubmitted to her for corrections and additions; this is what we refer to as the "NGS" (National Genealogiy Society) system.

The second genealogy, by K. Napp-Zinn, utilizes his system just described above. Do not make the mistake of dismissing this system out of hand. It has several attractive features. Klaus is a professional botanist and is well versed in the task of using taxonomic keys to separate and identify plants of all species and place them in a logical and related sequence. Separating and identifying people and placing them in a logical and related sequence is a very similar problem. We do not claim to understand all aspects of his system and we look forward to more discussions with him in Portland.

The third genealogy, submitted by James L. Correll, utilizes another numbering system. We have entertained the thought of trying to establish a single "EFA system" but doubt now the wisdom of any such effort because different compilers have their own preferences, and members of a given family line have learned the system used by the compiler of their own line and prefer that the same system be utilized in publications.

We have a recent example of this that illustrates the last point. which will appear in the August issue. A 34-page booklet on the George2 Eller (Christian1 Eller) line,, published in 1918 and submitted to Bill Eller by Marjorie McCormick, was reformatted by us into the "NGS" plan. We then learned that Marjorie really preferred that the book be reprinted in the Chronicles exactly as originally published. To conform to her wishes, the publication will appear in the August issue in the same form as originally published. Also, we reformatted the James Madison Eller material before publishing it in the last issue from a booklet by Nora Eller of Wilkes County, NC. We now think we probably should have not have done so although we had the permission of the descendant who provided us the copy. So, casual readers, we hope you see that the matter of choosing a "numbering" system is quite significant in genealogical work and we intend in the future not to transgress the wishes of those who submit the material to us for publication in the Chronicles.)


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Wedding Announcement







Prof. Dr. Klaus Napp-Zinn
Dr. Asta Mapp-Zinn


geb. Tiemann



Am Freitag. dem 16. April 1993, werden wir um 14 Uhr in der
ev. St. Martinskirche in Spenge (Westfalen) getraut.



Weststraße 2
4905 Spenge
Gyrhofstraße 15
5000 Köln 41








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Johannes Eller of Wonsheim, Germany and His Descendants
Prof. Dr. Klaus Napp-Zinn
Botanisches - Institut der Universitat Koln
D-W- 5000 Koln 41 - Gyrhofstr. 13, Germany

(Eds. See explanations of the format used in this genealogy in the preceding notes by Dr. Napp-Zinn To assist readers further in interpreting his system, we have reformatted pages (Suite) 1 and 2 of his data from the following genealogy into the conventional system long used in the U.S. and understood by most members of the EFA.)

Napp-Zinn System
1. Johannes Eller  
2. Johann Nicholas Eller (A)
3. Johannes Eller (AA)
4. Anna Maria Eller (AAa)
5. Johann Heinrich Curshmann (AAa. A)
5. Anna Maria Curschmann (AAa. b)
6. Johann Adam Lamb (AAa. bA)
5. Maria Sibylla Curschmann (AAa. c)
5. Johann Phillip Curschmann (AAa. D)
(Seite(page) 2)
5. Johannes Curschmann (AAa. E)
5. Phillipp Jakob Curschmann (AAa. F)
5. Johann Georg Curschmann (AAa. G)
5. Maria Elizabeth Curschmann (AAa. h)
5. Maria Barbara Curschmann (AAa. i)
5. Johann Georg Curschmann (AAa. J)
5. Sibylia Curschmann (AAa. k)
4. Phillip Jacob Eller (AAB)

Notes:

  1. ) In the conventional system the generation number is listed first. In Napp-Zinn's system the generation number is equal to the number of letters preceding the name of the individual; the period in his system has no significance beyond grouping generations into groups of three.

  2. ) In the Napp-Zinn system capital letters denote males and lower case letters denote females.
    {Notice that the “Henry” numbering system is the same as Dr. Napp-Zinn's without the period spacer, except that digits are used first then the alphabet, but there is no way to indicate male or female this way. Change the leading numbers that my computer supplied, to that letter of the alphabet, and they will be the same except for upper and lower case. A few numbers will be different than the originals. In a case where both parents are listed, this computer program lists the offspring with the first parent to show up in the tree. Some of the time Dr. Napp-Zinn had them listed with the second parent, thus the numbers will be different on those individuals. [ADE]}

  3. ) English translations by the author are inserted above various German words and phrases.
    {I couldn't make it come out that way on various sized screens, so the translations are mostly in parenthesis, I started off with the German in parenthesis, then decided it looked better with the English in parenthesis, maybe didn't get all of them switched over, -- You won't be any more confused than I am! [ADE]}



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SYMBOLS AND ABBREVIATIONS
* born ~ baptized + died
o/o divorced oo married X killed in action
male female # buried
dates: day - month - year
Apr. April
Az. Alzey
ca. circa (about)
Co. County
DGB Deutsches Geschlechterbuch (a German genealogical encyclopedia)
ev. evangelisch (evangelical, Protestant)
Febr. February
geb. geboren (born)
J Jahre (years of age)
Juli July
Juni June
kath. katholisch (Roman catholic)
KB Kirchenbuch (church record)
ki. kirchlich (ecclesiastical)
konf. konfirmiert (confirmed)
M Monate (months of age)
N. first name unknown
N.N. entire name unknown
Nov. November
Okt. October
P Pate[n] (godfather and/or godmother)
ref. reformed
s. siehe (see)
S. Seite (page)
s.o. siehe oben (see above)
sta. standesamtlich (at the registrar's office)
S.v. Sohn von (son of)
T Tage (days of age)
T.v. Tochter von (daughter of)
verh. verheiratet (married)
W. Worms
Wo. Wonsheim

In Tree
ca. 1890
In Tree

In Tree
1862
In Tree

In Tree

In Tree

In Tree

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and text links to listing in the following genealogy.




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