Krause Klan Reunion

Krause Klan Reunion #1

This page will show an online of the notes and presentation that were given at the Krause Klan Reunion at Iola, WI, Aug. 25-26, 2007. The online presentation will be a bit more limited then the handout notes presented at the reunion as some of the pages were prepared using features found on the link so that larger and more informative info. was obtainable.

Welcome to the Krause Klan Reunion #1 web. If you are not sure how a web works then you are invited to a short explanation of Webs

The outline for the presentation and brief explanations that are shown below will be in the handout notes since this page is part of the notes.
Pages: 2-5

Outline

  1. Introduction:

  2. DNA Genealogy and how it can help to find info!:

  3. Arnie Krause Genealogy Home Page:

  4. Topic on DNA Genealogy:

  5. Our Deep Ancestral Origins:

  6. Where our ancestors were from:

  7. Test, Results, and Possible Divergence:

  8. Analysis of results. Probabilities of Most Common Ancestor(MCA):

  9. Trying to solve the puzzle:

  10. What can we do to help fill in more missing data?:

  11. What next?:

  12. Questions and Answers:

  13. Additional information:

    • Home Page Address:  http://members.shaw.ca/arnie-krause/index.htm

    • Email address:  arnie-krause@shaw.ca

  14. Recent Info: Will not be in the notes or book but only these online pages.

  15. FTDNA Video clips: View a video of how DNA may help your research. From FTDNA testing lab.

    PDF version of these notes. Uses the password "iola0708". The PDF notes show the data from the links and total approx. 50 pages.
    Branch-One Krause eBook: Privatized, cannot print, and uses the password "kra01".

 

Introduction: Page: 6
Each one of us carry pieces of the missing puzzle of our ancestry. Males have two pieces and females have one. These are:

        a) Y-Chromosome DNA (passed from father to son) This means that all males carry this info.
        b)  mtDNA (passed from mother to her children) This means that both males and females carry this info.
        The following diagram shows how his helps us find some of our roots. Diagram of  pedigree and what lines DNA helps to determine.

DNA Genealogy and how it can help to find info!: Pages: no pages

  1. Unknown lines that are our cousins found by DNA results. Does not tell us anything about who the ancestor was or the time but that we share a common ancestor.
  2. Helps to give a proof for connections rather then speculation that seems to be so rampant. When a paper trail is not available then what do we do? First we hypothesize then prove if it is correct or false. Speculation on the other hand assumes that the connection is correct and does not find any proof to show it is correct or false.
  3. Gives us proof that events that are reported as fact are really fiction. An example of this is that my father told me that his brother was really his half-brother as the father was different. DNA results have proven this to be wrong.!! See the "Possible Divergence Diagram" and note the info for 1A1 and 1A2 as these are descendants of Edwin and Albert Krause who were brothers and not half-brothers as stated by my father.

More detail on this will be shown in the section on Tests, Results, and Possible Divergence

Arnie Krause Genealogy Home Page: Pages: 7-11

The main webpage that is used for all of my Krause genealogy research and information

Topic on DNA Genealogy: Pages: 12-18

One of the topics called "DNA based genealogy research" found from my main webpage. This discusses DNA genealogy; many links and if you try to go to all of them you will just be overwhelmed. Read only what you feel is at your level as you can always go to the page and read what has been updated or added.

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Our Deep Ancestral Origins: Pages: 19-31

This is a background paper by Todd Johnson who is also an I1b Haplogroup and much of the info may be enlightening to you about what Todd reports.
Another very useful document is the Haplogroup chart that shows how mankind has evolved during the ages.  View the chart.

Where our ancestors were from: Pages: 32-34

NOTE:: The Y-Search links are no longer available so the pages from the KKR#1 book are being used:

Area in Europe where our Branch-1 Krause Klan are from. The balloons show the towns where the different lines originated according to their earliest known ancestor.

A Y-Search map showing the area of the World where the I2a(old numbering was I1b) haplogroup are from. The small red balloons are shown for everyone in the Y-Search database that has a I2a Haplogroup. I2a Haplomap  You will have to use the + sign to zoom in to the area that you wish to examine more closely. The red balloons shown just to the left and slightly below Gdansk, Poland are for the members of our group. If you click on one of the balloons then a small window will open with info on the line tested. When the UserID is shown then if you click on that link, you are taken to the full info for those test data. My data is for A7YJ6

Test, Results, and Possible Divergence: Pages: 35-39

The next section on the "Analysis of Y-DNA and mtDNA Results" attempts to show the test results in many different ways so that a person can obtain some idea of how the data can be analyzed  as explained in the next section.

Analysis of results. Probabilities of Most Common Ancestor(MCA): Pages: 40-44

This section gives further information on the details of the data, and how it was analyzed and the subsequent results.

  1. Description of Possible Divergence of the different Krause sub-branches.
  2. Tabular presentation of the data: Notice that at the bottom of this table the Haplogroup for each member tested is shown as either I1b or I1b1*. This is explained further in the diagram by Ken Nordvedt at his page called SNPTree-I1b.
  3. Using all of the data obtained to-date, a diagram called "Possible Divergence" has been prepared to show how the different branches are connected and the findings for persons from the same branch. Example, persons A1 & A2 have a solid paper trail where A1 is myself, and A2 is the grandson of Albert Krause who my father told me was his half-brother. The person shown as A3 is a descendant of Herman Krause and the 37-Marker results for A2 & A3 show an identical 37/37 match which gave the positive proof that Herman was the lost uncle that my grandfather was looking for and not the "Uncle John" that he told me, Johann/John was the name of his father. This information was obtained from my grandfather in 1956 when he was 76 years old and had suffered from several mini- strokes and other ailments of the aged. At this time, he knew about the uncle John but did not know the name of his father when asked that question.
  4. Another presentation of the data is on an Excel spreadsheet that shows all of the test results for the members tested. Two of the members, A1 & A2 have had full 67-Marker tests done. Any differences for a member tested is shown with a cell background color that makes it standout compared to the others. The Markers shown in RED on this spreadsheet have a higher rate of mutation then the average.

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Trying to solve the puzzle: Pages: 45-50

This section is based on the methodology that has been used to either prove of disprove that Herman and John from Branch-1A were the brother of William Frederick Krause of Branch-1G previously called Branch-20.

  1. General description of the methods used in solving the puzzle
  2. Gene Pool for Branch-1A. This shows all of the known male descendants of Br-1A and the results as of July 2007
  3. Gene Pool for Branch-1G. Same as #2 above but for Branch-1G
  4. Is the puzzle solved? More data required from Br-1G to see if the one person tested has the same DNA profile as William Frederick shown as a descendant on #3 as shown above.

What can we do to help fill in more missing data?:

Try to find other members from the different branches that can be used to verify that the data at the present time is correct and try to determine when mutations might have occurred. In my case, it was not until I had the results from my uncle Albert Krause's line, that it was possible to determine that my value of  21 for DYS# 570 had occurred with either my father or myself.

What next?:

Try to encourage other males with the surname of Krause to have a Y-Chromosome DNA test done to show what group they are from. A 12-Marker test is sufficient to determine this but a full 37-Marker is required to determine the connections to a surname line. If only the 12-marker results are used then you could have a perfect match with many persons with even a different surname as the time frame of the common ancestor is several hundred to thousands of years ago.

This will also help Jane to maybe locate the half-brothers of her immigrant ancestor and help to find the Frederick Krause who was her ancestor. This is a hit and miss situation but may give better results then trying to find any records in Germany/Poland on her ancestors as it is like trying to look for a needle in a haystack when you don't know where the haystack is located. Even if you found some data that was for a Frederick Krause and a Henrietta Unknown, you would not know if it was the correct family.

Questions and Answers:

These will be reported on after the reunion.

Recent Info:

New info on received 27 July 2007 is for the link that gives more information on the different Haplogroups  and how they fit together. This is a very indepth report and is up-to-date as of 2007. Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree 2007. Indepth information on any of the Haplogroups is available by clicking on the box where the Haplogroup designation is shown. An example of where the info from this report may be important is the statement the Haplogroup R is thought to have started approx. 3000 BC while Haplogroup I which our Krause line is descended from. A quote for the I Haplogroup is:

"Y-DNA haplogroup I is a European haplogroup, representing nearly one-fifth of the population. It is almost non-existent outside of Europe, suggesting that it arose in Europe. Estimates of the age of haplogroup I suggest that it arose prior to the last Glacial Maximum. Probably, it was confined to the refuge in the Balkans during the last Ice Age, and then spread northward during the recolonization of northern Europe following the retreat of the glaciers."

 A quote for the R Haplogroup is:

" Y-DNA haplogroup R is mainly represented in two lineages. Lineage R1a is thought to have originated in the Eurasian Steppes north of the Black and Caspian Seas. It is associated with the Kurgan culture, known for the domestication of the horse (approximately 3000 B.C.E.). This lineage is currently found in central and western Asia, India, and in Slavic populations of Eastern Europe. A well-known individual of the R1a lineage is Somerled founder of Clan Donald. Lineage R1b originated prior to the end of the last ice age where it was concentrated in refugia in southern Europe and Iberia and is the most common in European populations. It is especially common in the west of Ireland where it approaches 100% of the population. This haplogroup contains the Atlantic modal STR haplotype."

Ken Nordvedt has a new SNP tree diagram called UnitedFounders Tree. This gives a time scale shown with the Haplogroups I and R together with several others.

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FTDNA Video clips:

A visit to the FTDNA mainpage may give you further information that may help to understand how DNA testing can help to peek thought the "Brick Walls" that may be present in searching your roots. Relative pricing costs are shown for other testing facilities. A Surname Video is also available and my be of use to explain some of the terminology and also what some families have found. Remember, this is also an advertisement for FTDNA so don't be over-awed. The video is in 4 parts and special links are for Dial-up or Cable/DSL, make sure you use the proper one for your system. The video is in four parts(each is 6-7 min.). The links shown below are only for  Cable/DSL:

  1. Part 1: Info on different members who have used DNA testing to further their research in finding their roots.
  2. Part 2: Surname Projects and the testing process. How a sample is collected. Very good presentation.
  3. Part 3: Test results and how it has helped some different families. Includes some info on mtDNA.
  4. Part 4:  Summary of information, growth of testing from 12-Marker to 25 and 37-Marker tests.
  5. WVPR Interview - Prof. Roper. This is a very good interview and discusses points that our Krause group has already found that has helped us to determine our DNA-Cousins. Prof Roper makes some statements about the mtDNA and how it is of no use for genealogy purposes. My feeling on this, is that it is of the same use as the Y-Chromosome for males, the problem is to find persons who can be tested that possibly descend from the common female ancestral lines. For males the surname is the lead; however, for the female lineage you must have a very good paper trail with the possible surname of that matches the mtDNA lineage or wait for persons to be tested that have a very close match. I have found that most people that match my mtDNA have very little information on the mtDNA lineage. So far, I have had information that 58 persons have matched my profile for the HVR1(Low Resolution) and only 3 for HVR1 & HVR2(High Resolution) and none of the ones that matched for the high resolution show any Pedigree and only 2 in the HVR1 show a Pedigree. Seven of those who matched in the HVR1 range had HVR2 tests done and only 2 of these names appear in the HVR2 matches. The sample size is so small that it is very difficult to make any kind of statement about testing other then to say that the full HVR1 & HVR2 must be done if you are trying to determine any kind of kinship. This is just like the 12-Marker for the Y-Chromosome, it only tells you who you are not related to and if a match is found there is no idea of when it might have been unless a 37-Marker test is done and the results are compared.
  6. One of the problems that I saw when viewing the clips 1-5 was the break between each clip as I loaded the next. With a little sleuthing, I was able to make a playlist for my Windows Media Player and that solved the problem as now all 5 items are loaded and play as one unit. If you would like to download the file that is the playlist then Click on the following link and the playlist is loaded to your browser. Now in the tool bar for Explorer, click on Page then View Source and a new window opens in Notepad with the contents that were downloaded.  Now click on File > Save As and select the proper location as your DeskTop to store  the file as "FTDNA.wpl". When you click on the icon for this FTDNA playlist, your player will open and you view the video.
    Link to download FTDNA.wpl

 

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