1152. John (2nd) HYSSY was born 1 in 1635 in Longworth, Berkshire, England. He was christened 2 on 25 Feb 1635 in Longworth, Berkshire, England. He died 3, 4 in 1678. He married 5 Anne, wife of John HYSSY in 1657.
Although I have now proven that this John Hissey was NOT our ancestor, his information and ancestral lines are still included in these pages for the benefit of other researchers, including many of his descendants whom I am in contact with, who would welcome contact with other researchers and whom I am only too happy to refer other researchers or descendants to.
John resided 6 in 1678 in Draycott Moor in the Parish of Longworth. [Parents]Longworth is south west from Oxford. From Longworth about a mile away is Hinton Waldrist, both parishes. Stanford in the Vale, it's about 6 miles from Longworth. Alternative death 1678 (Joanne Goodsell & Anthony HISSEY (source Mrs. L. Ashton).
Ian Charles HISSEY's webpage corresponds with Grace Douglass's christening information and advises:
John (2nd) lived at Draycott Moor and died in the Reign of Charles II, around 1678, aged 43. His wife Ann survived him and applied for letters of Administration of his Estate. According to the inventory made at his death his goods and chattels were worth �I47/06/08 (147pounds 6shillings and 8pence). His house had 4 chambers (bedrooms), a parlour, a hall, a kitchen, a buttery and a loft and he owned, amongst other things, several feather beds, cupboards, tables and chairs, pewter dishes, brass pots, five table cloths and three dozen napkins.He also had 4 harness beasts together with their harnesses, (probably oxen) I0 other beasts, sheep, lambs, cows, 6 pigs and a cart. There is also mention of �55/00/00 paid to Robert Hissey of Brightwell, who was probably one of John's brothers.
John and Ann's eldest son John(4th), was born in 1658, and in 1696, during the Reign of Willlam Ill, when he was nearly 40, he married Mary Couldrey of Southmoor. ..John and Mary had at least 4 children. Their only son John(5th), was born in 1701 and when his father died in 1726, aged 68, he was left an Inn known as the Sign of the Lamb, and two fields adjoining called the Stone Pitt ground and the Barn Ground together with all houses and outhouses pertaining to them. The girls Mary and Elizabeth were left �I00 each. His other daughter Ann who had married John Spanwick had already had her 'portion'.
To his "beloved wife Mary" who survived him, he left an annuity of £I2/I0/- , his best bedstead, two pairs of sheets, pewter dishes, two tableclothes and napkins, one table and four chairs, and a few other bits and pieces. It is nice to know that while the male Hisseys' seemed to have owned everything, they believed in a fair share for the females in the family.
The next John Hissey(5th), only son of John and Mary, married Mary Allin (sister of his good friend Richard Allin) on I9th February 1740, at Magdelin College Chapel, Oxford. The Allins were quite a prosperous family who lived at Iffley on the outskirts of Oxford. Their line can be traced back to Richard Allin of HarwelI who died in I6I0. This John and Mary ....also
had at least 4 children, 3 boys, the eldest called John(6th) as usual, and a daughter.In 1746 a second bell was cast for the Longworth Church, apparently to replace a damaged bell. Around the new bell are the words: John Hissey. Simon Herbert. Church Wardens BB J746 (1746)
Father John(5th) died in 1766, aged 65, leaving to his son John(6th) the Stone Pitt and the Barn Grounds of around 7 acres each, an orchard and 2 other 'grounds' of pasture and a number of tythes in Draycott Moor which he had held by leave of St. John the Baptist College of Oxford. His second son, Richard received 42 acres and Jonathon who was not yet 2I was left his Copyhold Estate and �I00. Daughter Elizabeth received �200.
His wife Mary, who does not seem to have been treated quite so generously as her mother-in-law was 40 years before, was to have �5 a year. Mary, in fact, returned to Iffley and took her daughter Elizabeth with her. Mary died 3 years later in 1769 and Elizabeth married William Pike in 1774.
John(6th), born at Longworth in 1743, married May Langham at Longworth in August 1767. Mary was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Langham. John Langham's father was Morris Langham and that is how the name Maurice (Morris) came into the family. This John and Mary were a little more prolific and had seven children, including, ....... an eldest son called John(7th). But this time our ancestor is not, John, but their second son Maurice, who was born in Longworth in 1775. When Maurice's father John(6th) died on 04/05/1794, aged 51, John (7th) as the eldest son inherited the bulk of his Estate, and Maurice and his other brothers were left �400 each, and the girls were left �300 to be invested for them until they reached the age of 2I.
His 'dear wife Mary' was left all his stock of cattle, corn, hay, implements of husbandry, monies, securities, goods and chattels and personal estate. Mary survived her husband John by 30 years, dying in I824.
As Maurice does not seem to have inherited any property in Longworth from his father he used his inheritance to rent a farm at West Hanney. He married Jemima Palmer at Wantage on 10/12/I80I and their first three children, two girls and their eldest son, our ancestor Charles (b 11/09/1804) were all christened at West Hanney. In 1807 they then moved on to Buttermere in Wiltshire where another three sons were born. Buttermere is a quiet little agricultural hamlet, in a tree shaded valley on top of the downs.
The I838 Wiltshire Tithe Apportionments lists Maurice Hissey as occupying 550 acres, probable bought from James Lockhart, who was the largest landowner in the parish of Buttermere. JEMIMA died on 05-11-1838 at the age of 65yrs, and Elizabeth took over the running of her father's house, remaining a spinster. Charlotte married John Simpson Perrett, a son of John and Sylvia Perrett on 23-9-1834. They had at least one child, a daughter named Sophia was born in 1837, with possibly three other children.
Alfred married Ann and their son Alfred, born 1847 and Christened 21-01-1848 at Hungerford, married Mary Deborah Richen on 14-11-1876 at Hungerford. The family was then living and farming at Standen Manor. Thomas married Ann Elizabeth and lived at Wantage in Berkshire. A family of four children was born to them, Anne b 1844, Clara b 1846, William Henry b 1 848 and Thomas Palmer b 1 849. Henry did not marry.
When Maurice died on 09-07-1847, he left a long and rather complicated will, leaving �500 to his friends Robert Palmer, a brewer of Wantage, and Henry James Palmer, grocer of Wantage, (probably Jemima's brothers) to be invested in their names but the dividends were for Charlotte Perrett for her use exclusively. She was also to receive the bed, bedding and furniture in the room in which he then occupied.
Thomas received a legacy of �100 in addition to the £500 given to him earlier, while Elizabeth was to receive £500 plus the bed, bedding and furniture in the room in which she occupied. Robert and Henry Palmer were to oversee the division of the farm between Alfred, CHARLES, & Henry but as Charles was living in South Australia by then, the farm went to Henry. In the 1851 census of Wiltshire, he was listed as head of the household and farmer of 550 acres, employing 11men, 5 boys and 4 women.
In 1889, a letter arrived in S.A. addressed to Mr Thomas Hissey of Barossa, near Gawler, from a Mr. Slade, stating the death of Henry Hissey on 25-06-1889 at Wokingham in Berkshire. Henry had made his nephew Alfred one of his executors and bequeathed what little he had left to be shared equally between all his nieces and nephews. The freehold property had been heavily mortgaged and was in the hands of the Mortgagee. Considerable portions of the land had been sold and the writer was unsure if Henry still had an interest in the property at the time of his death.
The little Church in Buttermere where Maurice and Jemima are buried, is on the original farm that Maurice owned, only 400 metres down from their house. It is still in use, but because no power is connected, the services can only be held during daylight hours in summer. Behind the altar is a beautiful stained glass window erected by Henry in 1855, in memory of his parents, Jemima, who died in 1838, and Maurice, who died in 1847.
On the 27th February in 1840 Charles Hissey, aged 35, and the son of a yeoman farmer, married Emily Mills, aged I9, the daughter of a labourer from the village of Ham, just down the hill from Buttermere. Emily was one of a large family, the daughter of John and Elizabeth Mills, who came originally from the village of Little Bedwyn. Charles and Emily set sail for South Australia, just a few weeks later, together with Emily's Father, Mother and family.
The search is now on to find out why Charles left England altogether, as he was the eldest son, and in Maurice's will was to be left the far of 550 acres. Reading Maurice's will is very interesting, he allowed for everyone, Thomas, Henry and Alfred the farm implements, Elizabeth and Charlotte had £400 each invested for them plus sundry household items.
Our next ancestor, Robert's son John (3rd) was baptised at Longworth on 25th February 1635. He would have been 7 years old at the start of the Civil War old when Oliver Cromwell's republicans went to war with the Royalist supporters of King Charles 1... the war raged around the Oxford area, close to where they lived. John married around 1657, his wife was called Ann, but I have not been able to find any mention of her maiden name. They had at least 5 children, 4 sons and a daughter. Their first son was named John after his father. Their youngest son, born in 1674 was named Charles, so perhaps they were Royalists.
John(2nd) lived at Draycott Moor and died in the Reign of Charles II, around 1678, aged 43. His wife Ann survived him and applied for letters of Administration of his Estate. According to the inventory made at his death his goods and chattels were worth £I47/06/08 (147pounds 6shillings and 8pence). His house had 4 chambers (bedrooms), a parlour, a hall, a kitchen, a buttery and a loft and he owned, amongst other things, several feather beds, cupboards, tables and chairs, pewter dishes, brass pots, five table cloths and three dozen napkins.
He also had 4 harness beasts together with their harnesses, (probably oxen) I0 other beasts, sheep, lambs, cows, 6 pigs and a cart. There is also mention of £55/00/00 paid to Robert Hissey of Brightwell, who was probably one of John's brothers.
1153. Anne, wife of John HYSSY was born in 1639 in possibly Longworth, Berkshire, England. She died 1 on 4 Jan 1718 in Longworth, Berkshire, England.
1154. Moyses Couldray or Moses COULDREY was born 1 in 1620 in Longworth, Berkshire, England. He was christened on 18 Mar 1620 in Church of England Parish Church of Longworth (Berkshire). He died 2 in 1687. He married Rebecca MARTEN about 1672. Moyses resided in 1673/1683 in Longworth, Berkshire, England. [Parents]
Although I have now proven that Moyses Couldrey was NOT our ancestor, his information and ancestral lines are still included in these pages for the benefit of other researchers, including many of his descendants whom I am in contact with, who would welcome contact with other researchers and whom I am only too happy to refer other researchers or descendants to.
MOYSES COULDREY Male Christening: 18 MAR 1620 Longworth, Berkshire, England
Parents: Father: JOHN COULDREY
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. Source Information:
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C018062 1559 - 1699 0088312 Film 6908290 Film
Film or fiche number 0088312 Film/fiche search results
Items 1-3 Parish registers, 1559-1978 Church of England. Parish Church of Longworth (Berkshire)
Items 4-6 Parish registers, 1559-1978 Church of England. Parish Church of Longworth (Berkshire)
Item 7 Parish registers, 1641-1979 Church of England. Chapelry of Charneyhttp://kbsonline.org.uk/other_pages/our_village/history/history1.htm
Moses and Rebecca (Rebekah) christened seven children with the surname COULDRY in the Church of England Parish Church of Longworth (Berkshire) : Rebekah (30 Nov 1673) ; Mary (19 Dec 1675) our direct ancestor who married John HISSEY; Elizabeth (23 Dec 1677), Katherine (17 Aug 1680) , John (6 Mar 1681 who died 12 Dec 1682) , Margeret , John's twin also chr 6 Mar 1681) and Moses (27 Nov 1683).
In a "A shepherd came from Buttermere" written by Rayleen Krause it states "Rebeccah was wed to one Moses Couldrey
in 1690 (However, this marriage date of 1690 is obviously incorrect), nephew of John Couldrey who was a Warden of the Church of Longworth in 1650. Moses and Rebeccah had seven children, including twins. Their daughter Mary married John Hissey (3rd) in 1675. A John Hyssey was a Longworth Churchguard in 1669.Originally the hamlet of Southmoor (or Draycott Moor) was part of Longworth parish. Southmoor, Oxfordshire , Oxfordshire is one mile south of Longworth, Berkshire. In 1574 Manor of Draycott Moor granted to the President and Fellows of St John�s College. 18th and 19th centuries Kingston Bagpuize and Southmoor or Draycott Moor (part of Longworth) in the county of Berkshire. In 1971 the two parishes were combined to form Kingston Bagpuize with Southmoor. In 1974 Kingston Bagpuize with Southmoor became part of Oxfordshire.
See 'The Coudray Family' An Extract by Mary Sharp & W.O. Clinton
The larger and more important of the two Manors contained within the Parish of Padworth, sometimes distinguished by the name of Coudray's Manor, was, held after the Conquest by one Stephen, son of Eirard; who may have been of Saxon birth.The earliest mention by name of the Coudray family is in a Deed of Grant by which Fulk de Coudray transferred the Manors of Sherborne Coudray, now known as the Vyne, and that of Padworth to Maud de Herriard and Nicholas her son for their lives in exchange for the Manors of Herriard which was to be to him and his heirs in perpetuity.
The two families were connected as Fulk de Coudray's mother had married as her second husband Roger, a son of the Maud here mentioned. Among the witnesses of the Deed are Robert de Offington (Ufton) and Henry de la Huesse or Hoese
(who is thought be of the family of the smaller Manor of Padworth). Robert de Offington is known to have been living in 1240, which gives us a clue to the date of this transaction.Fulk de Coudray died in 1251and held the Manor of Padworth at the time of his death. His son and heir Peter, was not fourteen years old when he inherited his father's estates. The following year, 1252, he was married to Agnes, daughter of Emery de Sacy; it was apparently an arrangement made for him by his father before his death, for an agreement exists signed by Fulk de Coudray and Geoffrey his brother with Emery de Sacy (Barton Stacey), by which the latter made over to Peter Coudray, probably as his daughter's marriage portion, all his land in Pamber in Hampshire which is still part of the Padworth Estate. By another agreement, the reason of which is not explained, Fulk had received from Richard de Lepewort the Manor of Mulsho in Buckinghamshire, in later deeds included in the enumeration of the family estates though not now forming part of them.
Sir Peter Coudray, son of Sir Fulk, became a very active and devoted servant of Edward I. He fought in the Scotch and Welsh wars, for which last he was summoned in 1297 to muster in London with horses and arms on the Sunday next before the feast of St. John the Baptist. The last time he is mentioned as being called to fight was for the war in Scotland in 1300 when he must have been over sixty. In 1303 he appointed his son Richard Coudray, a priest, to the living of Herriard and died soon afterwards for, in 1304, his son Thomas reigned in his stead. This Thomas had already in his father's lifetime received from him the grant of the Manor of Herriard, and on succeeding to the whole property, is said to have held the Manors of Lyford and Padworth in Berkshire, and Gatehampton and Mulsho in Buckinghamshire, also Sherborne and Herriard in Hampshire.
These many Manors with their residences were made use of in providing for the younger members of the family, and in his turn Thomas granted the Manor of Mulsho to his eldest son, also Thomas, and Lucy his wife and settled land at Herriard on his second son Ralf.
He had married a lady named Juliana whom he mentions in the Deed of Endowment here quoted from the History of the Vyne by C. Chute. He says:
I give to my brother, Richard de Coudray, whilst he shall perform divine service daily in the Chapel of Sherborne Coudray in honour of the Blessed Virgin and on behalf of my good estate while I shall live and of my soul when I shall depart this life, and on behalf of Adam Orleton Bishop of Winchester and my father, Sir Peter de Coudray and my mother the Lady Agnes and my wife Juliana and William Attehurst and all faithful departed, one plot of land in Sherborne Coudray and one rent coming to me from land held by Richard atte Ostre in the same village, and one rent of six marks issuing from lands in Herriard and Ellisfield, held by the Prioress of Hartley Wyntney, to have and to hold the same to the same Richard and his successors the chaplains performing divine service in the said Chapel without any recourse to the Mother Church of Sherborne St. John.Sir Thomas also gave to the Chapel a set of books, a pair of vestments, two phials, a napkin or towel and two brass candlesticks. His son Sir Thomas had married first a lady of the name of Lucy, and afterwards a second wife, Joan, on whom he settled the Manor of Padworth, afterwards to go to his heirs male. He died on the 16th May, 1349, and his widow on the 27th of June in the same year. In the year 1348 there had fallen on England, a visitation of the Plague known as the Black Death.Though there is no record that such was the fact it seems probable that the deaths of Sir Thomas Coudray and his wife, following so closely on each other, were caused by the epidemic then prevailing.
Their son, Fulk de Coudray, was 35 years old when he succeeded to the Manor of Padworth with other estates in 1349. Sherborne Coudray had, however, passed to his sister, on whom it was settled on her marriage with Sir Thomas Fifhilde of Fifield. He had no children and, in consequence, he settled the reversion of the manor of Herriard on a cousin, Sir Henry Coudray ; this manor, as it is there explained, was at the time held by Sir Robert Achard and Agnes his wife on a lease for their lives by a grant from Sir Henry's and Sir Fulk's grandfather, Sir Thomas Coudray........Sir Fulk left to his widow Joan the Manor of Padworth for her life with. a reversion to one William Mulsho, Parson of Berughby (sic), who afterwards, by a deed dated 1378, granted this reversion and all his rights over the Manor to the Venerable Father in God, the Lord William of Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester, and his heirs in perpetuity. William Mulsho may have been connected with the Coudray family-that he bore the name of one of their Manors suggests the possibility-and the grant may have been merely a trust deed. At any rate it is certain that the estates of Padworth were not then so alienated, but that they passed, together with the Manor of Herriard, at the death of Sir Henry Coudray in 1365, who left no son, to Edward Coudray, the son of his younger brother Peter, then a minor. This Edward came of age and held his first Manor Court at Herriard in 1376; that he resided there and not at Padworth is explained by the fact that Joan, the widow of Sir Fulk, on whom the place had been settled, was then still living. He married, first, Maud, daughter of Sir John Lislebon, by whom he had a large family, and secondly, a lady named Joan. At his death he had settled his estates on his eldest son Thomas, who however, died without issue and his younger brother Peter was enfeoffed. Peter had married Agnes, the daughter, by a former marriage, of his stepmother Joan. In 1433 he was chosen Knight of the Shire for Berks, and dying, left a son, also named Edward, to succeed him. Of this second Edward we know no more than that when he died, in 1465, he left as his heir a son Peter, a child of seven years old, to succeed him. The estates immediately passed under the control of guardians and trustees appointed by the King; of whom one was the powerful Earl of Warwick, known as the Kingmaker, and another was his kinsman, Richard Beauchamp, Bishop of Salisbury.
At this time, and during all our early history, the guardianship of minors was a very profitable appendage to the Crown. As Lord-in-chief over all the land of the country, the King had absolute control of all properties held by the heirs of tenants in Capite - that is - such as held their land directly from the Crown, and were under the age of twenty-one at the time at which they inherited. These he would grant, either for money consideration, or to curry favour with some one of his powerful nobles, to be held nominally, in the interests of the minor, but, practically, for their own considerable profit. Such guardians had also the right of arranging the marriage of their ward, and this was openly treated by them as a matter of bargain and gain.The Earl of Warwick and his fellow trustees, in the same year in which they were appointed, executed a grant of the Manor of Herriard in favour of Edward Langford, probably the same who was at the time Lord of the Manor of Brad-field, but whether this was with a view to the marriage of his daughter to the young heir is not clear. The young man died, however, only a few weeks after attaining his majority, in the year 1482, without leaving any children; after which the next heir was declared to be a kinsman probably a cousin, also named Peter.
If Edward Langford had failed to secure the inheritance of the first Peter for his daughter, he was more successful with the second, who married, as his first wife, Clara, daughter of Edward Langford of Bradfield, and by her had a daughter, Philippa, who seems to have died in his lifetime, for, in 1510, he settled his Manors, both of Padworth and Herriard on his second wife, Dorothy, daughter of Robert White of Southwarnboro' in Hampshire and on their children after her, with remainder to his brother John and his heirs male.
On the 4th of December, 1524, Peter Coudray, as Lord of the Manor, held a Court Baron at Padworth.The Court Roll, as it is called, written in Latin, of this Court Baron held by Sir Peter Coudray, is still preserved amongst the Deeds of the Estate. Peter Coudray was the last of his name of Padworth. He died on the 10th of April, 1528; his wife survived him only a few weeks and their inheritance passed to their three daughters, Joan, Elizabeth, and Margery, as co-heiresses, the eldest being at the time only ten years old. When they respectively came of age, Joan had married Peter Kidwelly of Faccombe in Hampshire, Elizabeth had married Richard Paulet, second son of the Marquess of Winchester, and Margery, the youngest, was the wife of William Rythe of Tolford in Hampshire. The Estates were then divided between them.
In 1549, Elizabeth Paulet and her husband sold their third part of the Manor of Padworth to her sister Joan Kidwelly. Elizabeth married three times; her second husband was Lord Windsor, and the third, George Puttenham. She was the ancestress of the present Lord of the Manor of Herriard in Hampshire. Two-thirds of the Padworth property were now held by the Kidwellys, and the remaining third by Margery and William Rythe. The Manor House, however, seems to have been held in common by the two sisters, for a lease exists, dated 1550,
Joan Kidwelly, the eldest of the three daughters, co-heiresses of Peter Coudray died at her husband's property, Faccombe in Hampshire, on the 15th October, 1562, he having predeceased her, and their son, William, inherited that estate and also the two-thirds of Padworth Manor.
William Kidwelly came of age in February, 1571, and died unmarried in 1575, when his two sisters, Mary, who had married Jerome Stanshowe of Wasing, and Elizabeth the wife of William Davison of London, County Middlesex, of the Glaziers company, were declared to be his heiresses.
Margery, the youngest of the three heiresses of Peter Coudray married William Rythe of Tolford. The only child of William and Margery Rythe was a daughter, Elizabeth, who married as his second wife Nicholas Tichbourne of Tichbourne, County Hants, and who had by him one son, Martin Tichbourne. In 1556 she was a widow and her father and mother executed a deed by which their moiety of the Manor of Padworth was, after their death, settled on her and her heirs. Thirty years later Margery Rythe, herself a widow, had been living for some time in a house belonging to her grandson, Martin Tichbourne, in Westisted, not far from the family estate which had now been inherited by his elder half-brother, Sir Benjamin Tichbourne.
1155. Rebecca MARTEN was born 1 about 28 Jan 1637/1638 in possibly Shrivenham, Berkshire, England. She died in 1693.
Although I have now proven that Rebecca Marten was NOT our ancestor, her information and ancestral lines are still included in these pages for the benefit of other researchers, including many of his descendants whom I am in contact with, who would welcome contact with other researchers and whom I am only too happy to refer other researchers or descendants to.
Rebecca was born 2 in 1634 in alternate birth date on IGI in Berkshire. She resided 3 in 1646 in Shrivenham, Berkshire, England. She resided 4 on 20 Feb 1661 in Longworth with Mrs. Margaret Lovelace. She resided in 1673/1683 in Longworth, Berkshire, England. [Parents]Rebecca MARTIN Birth: 1634 Berkshire, England Death: Aft 1672
Parents: Father: Henry MARTIN Mother: Margaret LOVELACE
Submitter(s): Details
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50 E NORTH TEMPLE STREET, SALT LAKE CITY UT Submission: AF94-101724 ; USA 84150No Extracted marriage on IGI for either Rebecca's or her parents marriage.However, Submission:
Submitter(s): Details : MEDIEVAL FAMILIES C/O FAMILY HISTORY DEPARTMENT
50 E NORTH TEMPLE STREET, SALT LAKE CITY UT Submission: AF94-101724 ; USA 84150
Husband's Name Henry MARTIN Born: Abt 1600 Place: Of, , Berkshire, England
Died: 1679 Married: Abt 1625 Father: Henry MARTIN Mother: Elizabeth Mrs MARTIN
Wife's Name Margaret LOVELACE Born: Abt. 1604 Place: Of, Staunton, Somersetshire, England
Died: 1680 Married: Abt 1625 Place:
Father: Richard LOVELACE Mother: Mrs-Richard LOVELACE
Child Rebecca MARTIN Born: 1634 Place:Berkshire, England Died: Aft 1672No christening on the IGI : Rebecca Marten, Birth/Christening, Berkshire, England ; Father: Henry ; Exact Spelling: Off or for time period for Rebecca Marten, Birth/Christening, All Counties, England, Father: Henry; Exact Spelling: Off.
I was advised that Rebecca MARTEN was supposedly the 12th Great-Grand Daughter of King Edward I, King of England, which would be the case if her mother was Elizabeth LOVELACE. Although her mother was possibly Elizabeth LOVELACE, at this stage it would seem that she was the daughter of Margaret STAUNTON.
Rebecca is mentioned in a letter written by her aunt Lady Mary Rogers dated 2 Apr 1648 which refers to Henry Marten's daughter Elizabeth (Betty), Jane, Rebeckey and Hal.
Apparently her father Henry Marten married twice. His first wife was said to be Elizabeth Lovelace, daughter of Sir Richard, with whom he had three daughters before Elizabeth died in childbirth, or shortly afterwards. In 1635 he married Margaret Stanton, a widow with whom it has been written by her had 1 son and 4 daughters, the youngest of which was apparently Rebecca. It is well documented that he also had three daughters by his mistress Mary Ward.
However the Shrivenham, Berkshire Parish Records show the baptism of Anne, Francis and Henry, but not Rebecca. As this film shows all christenings during the years 1575 - 1732, then if Rebecca was the daughter of Margaret, rather than to his first wife Elizabeth Lovelace as currently thought, then it could be expected that she would also have also been christened in the same parish? whereas only the following christenings of her siblings are recorded:
ANNA MARTEN Christening: 05 JUN 1636 Shrivenham, Berkshire. Father: HENRIE MARTEN (mother not listed)
HENRICUS MARTEN Male Christening: 09 JUN 1639 Shrivenham, Berkshire, England
Parents: Father: HENRICI MARTEN Mother: MARGARETTAE
FRANCIS MARTEN Female Christening: 03 JUL 1640 Shrivenham, Berkshire, England
Parents: Father: HENRY MARTEN Mother: MARGARETTRebecca married Moses Couldry. Their daughter Mary married John Hissey and for several centuries the Hisseys lived in Longworth in Berkshire.
Her descendant Lauris Ashton advised 'It is likely that Henry moved from Shrivenham to Longworth soon after the death of his father in 1641. As he and Margaret married in 1635 and the other children were born in at Shrivenham between 1636 and 1640. It is likely that Rebecca was born during the Civil War and the records have been lost. There was quite a lot of fighting near Oxford, which is only a few miles from Longworth and for a while Charles ll 's headquarters were in Oxford. There was even thought to have been a battle near Harrowdown Hill . It is quite likely, being who they were, that Margaret and the children moved somewhere safer for a while, and Rebecca was born at that time.'
See Emily Yankee's Yates-Looper Tree at
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2874167&id=I548310288
Henry MARTYN Birth: 1602 in Oxfordshire, England; Death: 9 Sep 1680 in Chepstow Castle
Title: Sir ; Occupation: Knight ; Note: Alias: MERTEN /Harry/
Father Henry MARTYN b: Abt 1562 in St. Michael Bassishaw, London, Middlesex, England. Mother: Elizabeth ? b: Abt 1574
Marriage 1 Elizabeth LOVELACE;
Children Mary 'Mall' MERTEN; Henry MERTEN; Ann MERTEN; Frances MERTEN; Elizabeth MERTEN;
Jane MERTEN b: 1638 and Rebecca MERTEN b: 28 Jan 1637/38 in Shrivenham ?
1408. John CLUETT was born in 1666 in Wincanton, Somerset, England. He died on 22 Sep 1725. He married 1 Gertrude EDGELL on 31 Oct 1686 in Wincanton, Somerset, England. John was baptized 2 on 26 Jun 1666 in Wincanton, Somerset, England.
1409. Gertrude EDGELL was born about 1660 in possibly Wincanton, Somerset, England. She died in 1756 in Wincanton, Somerset, England. She was buried on 27 Nov 1756 in Wincanton, Somerset, England.
Extracted BURIALS WINCANTON PARISH 1721 - 1887
1592. Michael MINTER was born in 1672 in Folkestone, Kent, England. He was christened 1, 2 on 25 Oct 1672 in Folkestone, Kent, England. He died in 1749. He was buried 3, 4 on 16 Nov 1749 in Folkestone, Kent, England. He married 5, 6 Sarah MARSH on 7 Nov 1695 in Folkestone, Kent, England. [Parents]
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Michael Minter Male Christening: 25 OCT 1672 Folkestone, Kent, England
Burial: 16 NOV 1749
Parents: Father: Bartholmew Minter
Mother: Susanna Bayly
Marriages: Spouse: Sarah Marsh Marriage: 07 NOV 1695
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Michael Minter
Male
Event(s):
Christening: 25 OCT 1672 Folkestone, Kent, England
Burial: 16 NOV 1749
Parents:
Father: Bartholmew Minter
Mother: Susanna BaylyMarriages:
Spouse: Sarah Marsh
Marriage: 07 NOV 1695
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Film Number: 458518
Page Number:Michael was the son of Bartholmew and Susanna MINTER (nee BAYLY). He had seven siblings, Ann (1670), Susan (1675), Leonard (1677), Elizabeth (1679), Susann (1683), John (1685) and William (1689).
Michael and Sarah had five sons all baptised in Folkestone, Kent, England: Bartholomew (1697), Bartholomew (1699), Leonard (1701), Michael (1703) our direct ancestor married Jane PAYE and John (1707).
Jane E Marshall may have a possible Minter connection, as she has a connection to a Michael Minter who married Margaret Johncock in 1757 but is having been having trouble placing him.
Having ruled out various possibles, the only one left (that has been recorded) is a Michael b 1727, s/o Leonard Minter and Susan. The only Leonard/Susan marriage she could find was to a Susannah
Pay in 1723. Therefore Leonard might be the one born 1701, s/o Michael Minter and Sarah Marsh?
1593. Sarah MARSH was born in 1679 in Folkestone, Kent, England. She was christened 1, 2, 3, 4 on 16 Nov 1679 in Folkestone, Kent, England. She died 5 on 28 May 1760 in Folkestone, Kent, England. She had other parents. [Parents]
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SAR MARSH Female
Event(s): Christening: 16 NOV 1679 Folkestone, Kent, England
Parents: Father: LAUR MARSH & Mother: SAR OR JOANE
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P020721 1635 - 1840 0908172 IT 1, 3 Film 6906423 Film Sheet: 00Sarah was originally thought to be the daughter of Laurence and Joane MARSH (nee ALLARD), who had three siblings, Robert (1673) who died as an infant in 1675, Joane (1675) and Dorothy (1677) with her sister Dorothy marrying her brother-in-law Leonard MINTER, brother of Michael MINTER and the son of our ancestors Bartholmew and Susanna MINTER (nee BAYLY).
However Roderick Craig (in Alsace, France) advised 'Sarah Marsh, the wife of Michael Minter, seems to show that she was not the daughter of Lawrence Marsh of Folkestone. Apparently, she was the neice of Joseph Marsh, yeoman of Lyminge and daughter of a John Marsh. Interestingly, Joseph was also the father of Elizabeth Marsh, who married Thomas Bayly of Folkestone, the direct ancestors of Penny Hiatt.
Will of Joseph Marsh (1717) and the reference of the will of his son, Richard Marsh, yeoman of Stanford (d. 1712) :
"Source: Mike Cozens, Consistory Court of Canterbury PRC32/59/261, Probate 12th February 1717
Joseph Marsh of Lyminge, Yeoman, will dated 7th July 1716
Wife Willmett Marsh (Nee Spaine, Nee Hobday), all the goods that were hers before marriage and left in her house called Sharps in Elmsted Kent, together with all the household goods belonging to her and 2 bushels of wheat, 4 bushels of malt, 20lbs of butter, 40lbs of cheese and £3 yearly during her natural life.
Children of son Richard Marsh deceased.
William Marsh £10.
Joseph Marsh £15.
Elizabeth wife of Stephen Kennett £10.
Richard Marsh residue of estate and Executor
Niece Sarah daughter of deceased brother John Marsh, the wife of Michael Minter of Folkestone fisherman £20 pounds, owed to Joseph by Michael Minter.
Daughter Elizabeth Bayly of Folkestone widow the sum of £200 together with a bed, half of the linen and half of the pewter.
Poor people of Lyminge 20 shillings
Witnesses: Benjamin Cloake, D Penvold?
Note: See also the will of Richard Marsh son of Joseph PRC32/58/404"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mrawson/extr11.htmlWill of Richard Marsh, yeoman of Stanford, proved 1712.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mrawson/mars1712.htmlRoderick further advised he has 'downloaded the will of Thomas Marsh, yeoman of Stanford, who died in the 1650s. He doesn't seem to have been the father of our Joseph and John, but he mentions his father, Charles Marsh, who was probably one of our ancestors. If you are interested, I can send you a PDF copy of the original will. I also have copies of the wills of two Michael Minters (both mariners), one who died in the 1780s, the other of 1838, which I can also send. I found another interesting snippet about the early Minters on www.a2a.org.uk :
Probate/court records: Archdeacon's Court, miscellaneous - ref. DCb/PRC/18;DCb/PRC/18/6 2nd Dcb/PRC/18/7;1637 - 1638
FILE - Archdeaconry Court Miscellaneous - ref. DCb/PRC/18/24/118 - date: 13 Mar 1637/8
[from Scope and Content] PLAINTIFF: Laon MINTER jr; s, leg; DEFENDANT:
Eliz MINTER als WORME wo Wm W. Folkestone rel, exix; DOCUMENT: Lib; CASE:
Test (Leon MINTER sr, Folkestone). I am sending a copy of all this information to Richard Nelson and Penny Hiatt.Possible connection to LAWES Susanna married MARSH John on 28 April 1828 Witnesses : Sarah Marsh, Henry Pain
2024. Gelbart GELBART \ Gilbert GILBERT was born in 1626 in Mullion, Cornwall, England. He married Jone \ Johane , wife of Gelbart GELBART. Gelbart was baptized 1 on 31 Jan 1626 in Church of England Parish Church of Mullion (Cornwall). [Parents]
GILBERT GILBERT Male Christening: 31 JAN 1626 Mullion, Cornwall, England
Parents: Father: NICHOLAS GILBERT
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. Source Information:
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C021912 1598 - 1812 0226172 Film 6901298 Film
2025. Jone \ Johane , wife of Gelbart GELBART was born about 1630 in of Mullion, Cornwall, England.