Lorren Ancestry
JOHN LORREN
(Lorren or MacLorren or McLorren or O'Lorren or
Laurin or MacLaurin or McLaurin or O'Laurin)
and his descendants

Updated 23 Feb. 2003

My link with this family is shown in bold "red".

The following information on the extensive family of our "COMMON" sire John Lorren is a constant work in progress.  As new information comes my way I will update this section to include adding and deleting information so I encourage you to check back every now and then for just such changes.  This information is to be used much like a "springboard" to perhaps put you in a direction of travel.  I owe a tremendous debt to:

Payne Daniel for his willingness to share the information available on his web page at (http://paynedaniel.com/) with me so that I could combine our information and bring you the most comprehensive Lorren information available to the "net" and to our extended family.

Mildred Perry for her willingness to share her vast knowledge of our Lorren and related families.  Mildred writes genealogy articles for the Cleburne News - People in Your Past

J.B. Lorren for his unselfish willingness to share information.  I met J.B. in the 80s, lost contact, and found him again this year.  I have talked with him on many occasions and regret that I have not been able to travel and give him a great big hug and thank you in person for all that he has done for our Lorren family research efforts.

Graylin Smith, another Knighton, Pollard, Lorren researcher, wrote me Feb 2003 and added information on his family.  Graylin's email address is graylinsmith@yahoo.com.

I wish to make known two areas on this list that have enough unanswered questions to make the information as I present here questionable. The first is that there is a possibility that James B. Lorren (married to Jerri Ann Knighten) is the son of George A. Lorren and not John L.C. Lorren as I have listed below...if you choose to believe that James is the son of John L.C., then you must also assume that John L.C. Lorren had a first, unknown wife and pursue (along with me) documentation to back this assumption up.  You must also get a copy of the 1910 census (Alabama-Cleburne Co.) as this is the document that puts James B.'s parentage in question. The second question that you must consider involves whether George "Pap" Lorren is the son of Julia Pollard Knighten Lorren or Martha Price Lorren. The 1880 Census lists John and Julia's second son as "George, age 9". It is uncertain whether Julia and Martha both had sons named George.  I have moved George's place in the line as the last child of John and Julia (1.1.5.7 instead of 1.1.5.2) until I determine for sure how many George Pap's there were.  Researchers should also know that George "Pap" is listed on a page taken from the Lorren Bible but there is no birth date that would resolve who his mother was (at least that I have).  I ask that if you have documentation or obtain documentation resolving or confirming any information listed herein, please let me know.

I have not been able to take the "Lorren" surname back any further than I have listed below (John Lorren's marriage to Julia Ann McPherson). It is always possible that this is the "first" Lorren, but I don't believe this is so.  I think there is a strong possibility that the Lorren surname was once "O" Lorren or "Mac" Lorren...and it is also very likely that the original spelling was not "Lorren" - indeed, searching for the surname "Lorren" prior to George A. Lorren #1.1. below proved futile...so I started reviewing my documents again...other researchers had listed John and and Julia Ann (McPherson) as "Lorren" and their children with the "Lorren" spelling and spelled their daughter's name "Jerusha" and went on to state that Jerusha and her brothers were orphaned at a young age and that Jerusha went to live with her McPherson relatives; furthermore, the researchers stated this was shown in the 1850 Blount County, Alabama Census. This evening, March 1, 2002, I finally had the opportunity to review the Census and this is what I found (note the McPherson information is correct as research shows through documentation of the McPherson line):
 
 
HN FN Last Name First Name Age Sex Occup. Val. Birth-
place
495 498 McPherson Daniel 48 M Farmer 500 Ten.
495 498 McPherson Debyan 44 F -------- ------- S.C.
495 498 McPherson Wm. 23 M Farmer ------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson George 21 M Farmer -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson Elizabeth 13 F -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson John D.  16 M Farmer -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson Lucy 11 F -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson Richard 9 M -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson Nancy 7 F -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson Jas. 5 M -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 McPherson Monroe 3 M -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 LAURIN Jarncia 28 F -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 Sims Robert 28 M Farmer 150 S.C.
495 498 Sims Ann 18 F -------- -------- Ala.
495 498 Young Eliza 19 F -------- -------- Ala.

Looking at the above it is easy and reasonable to understand how "Laurin" could become "Lorren" and how "Jarncia" could become "Jerusha" - Both spellings of "Lorren" sound alike and "Jarncia" could have been read as "Jarucia" or "Jerusha" which would be a letter error.

Then I compared the McPherson information for the above McPherson family and this is what I found:

                                                 1.1.1.2.6 George McPHERSON (note)
                                                 b. 1 Jan 1784 Hawkins Co., Tn
                                                 d. abt 1869 Blount Co., Al.
                                                 m. Nancy Ann KINCHELOE (dau of George KINCHELOE and
                                                      Sarah BUCKNER) 1799 in Washington Co., Tn
                                                 Children:
                                                 1.1.1.2.6.1 Daniel R. McPHERSON
                                                                   b. 1801, Roane Co., Tn.,
                                                                   d. abt 1883, Blount Co., Al.
                                                                   m. Debbie Ann DAVENPORT
                                                    on 5 Dec 1824 Blount Co. Ala
                                                                   b. abt 1806
                                                                   Children:
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.1 William Kincheloe McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1827-28
                                                                                         d. 1863
                                                                                         m. Susan J. McDONALD
                                                                                         Children:
                                                               1.1.1.2.6.1.1.1 Charles McPherson
                                                                                                                                               b. 21 Apr 1859
                                                                                                                                               d. 18 Aug 1870
                                                                                                                    1.1.1.2.6.1.1.2 Elijah McPherson
                                                                                                                                               b. 9 Mar 1861
                                                                                                                                               m. Mary Bessie TARRANT
                                                                                                                                               Children:
                                                                                                                                               2.1 Alva Lewis McPherson
                                                                                                                                                     b. 7 Jul 1907
                                                                                                                                                     m. Emma Lee JOHNSON
                                                                                                                                                           b. 3 Dec 1911
                                                                                                                                               2.2 Mary Tarrant McPherson
                                                                                                                                                      b. 12 Apr 1914
                                                                1.1.1.2.6.1.2 Debbie Ann McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1828 Blount Co., Al.
                                                                                         d. 15 April 1894
                                                                                         m. Alexander WHALEY
                                                                                             23 Sept. 1842 Blount Co., Al
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.3 George McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1829
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.4 John Davenport McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1833-34 Blount Co., Al
                                                                                         d. before 1867
                                                                                         m.  Sarah Ann STEPHENS
                                                                                               26 Sept. 1857
                                                                                         b. 1841/2 Ga
                                                                                              Her second marriage was
                                                                                              4 July 1867 Blount Co., Al.
                                                                                              to Docker B. Sapp
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.5 Elizabeth McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1836-37
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.6 Lucy T. McPherson
                                                                                         b. 8 Sept. 1839 Blount Co., Al
                                                                                         d. 3 May 1907 Jefferson Co., Al
                                                                                         m. James M. WOOTEN aka CANDLER
                                                                                              5 Oct. 1856 Blount Co., Al
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.7 Richard McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1840-41
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.8 Nancy McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1842-43
                                                                                         m. Wilson M. BROWN
                                                                                              6 Oct. 1860 Blount Co., Al
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.9 James Cullen McPherson
                                                                                         b. 1844-45
                                                                                         m. (1) Susan J. McDonald
                                                                                                   21 June 1869
                                                                                         m. (2) Mildred Evelyn White
                                                                                                   28 April 1885
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.10 Monroe Lafayette McPherson (twin)
                                                                                         b. 1847-48
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.11 Newton H. McPherson (twin)
                                                                                          b. 1847-48
                                                                   1.1.1.2.6.1.12 Orpha I.H. McPherson
                                                                                          b. 1849-50
                                                                                          m. Thomas Sawyer
                                                                                      Children:
                                                                                          1.1.1.2.6.1.12.1 Thomas Sawyer, Jr.
                                                                                          1.1.1.2.6.1.12.2  Lewis Sawyer
                                                                                          1.1.1.2.6.1.12.3  Henry Sawyer

Then I looked at the 1860 Census for Calhoun Co., Ala where George "Lorren" (Jarncia/Jerusha's brother) is listed:

Alabama's Cleburne Co. 1860 Census Excerpt:

1860 CENSUS
State of Alabama
Calhoun County
Sheet 439
 

Surname: Lorren Sex Age Born
George A.  Male 42 Missouri
Elizabeth Female 35 Georgia
Margaret Female 18 Georgia
William Male 16 Georgia
George Male 15 Georgia
Catherine Female 13 Georgia
John Male 12 Georgia
Sarah Female 9 Georgia
Martha Female 7 Alabama
Elizabeth Female 3 Alabama

Value of Real Estate $200
Value of Personal Estate  $575
Occupation Farmer



1870 CENSUS Excerpt
M593  Roll 12
Township 19  Range 11
July 18, 1870
Edwardsville Post Office
Cleburne County
 
Surname: Lorren Sex Age Occupation Born
George A.  Male 51 Farmer Missouri
Elizabeth Female 45 Housewife Georgia
Margaret Female 27 ----------------- -----------
George Male 24 ----------------- -----------
Catherine Female 21 ----------------- -----------
Sarah Female 19 -----------------  -----------
Martha Female 16 ----------------- -----------
James Male 9 ----------------- -----------
Thomas Male 5 ----------------- -----------
Missouri Female 2 ----------------- -----------
George      S. Male 1 ----------------- -----------

In the SOUNDEX, the name was spelled Lorron. On the Census, the name is spelled Lorren.  In the 1870 Census, (M593 Roll 9 Page 12 Township 19 Range 11) Edwardsville Post Office, Elizabeth is listed as Martha.  On the 1860 Federal Census for Calhoun Co., the wife of George A. Lorren is shown as Elizabeth.

Now I will search the "Laurin" surname and keep in mind that family stories state that the "Lorren" name once began with an "O"Lorren or "Mac"Lorren eventually dropping the "O"/"Mac".

Comments are welcome....

I will be adding "date information" and "notes" to the individuals in this data bank as time allows.  If you find a name that you need information on before I have it put up, please Email me!

1.  John LORREN/LAURIN (notes)
     b.  Betw. 1791-95 Hawkins Co., Tn
     d.  Betw.  1827-1834
     Note Some researchers believe this John is the first Lorren in the U.S. and is
               the British sailor that is mentioned throughout other researchers' works
               stating that there were two Johns - a Senior (above) and a Junior (the
               John son listed below)- I dispute this in that I believe and have researched
               on the assumption that the above Lorren is the Jr. I have requested
               records that I hope will verify what I believe to be the case - that there
               was indeed another "John Lorren" father to John above (making him
               the Jr.).  In thinking about this, I have used as my springboard family and
               other researchers' belief that John was a British sailor, his reasons for
               coming "South", family stories handed down, and a timeline of events
               in history relative to birth and death records.  I will update as soon as
               I have received the information that may clear this controversy up.
     m. Julia Ann MCPHERSON abt 1815 in Roane Co., Tn  (notes)
     b. Betw. 1794-1797 Hawkins Co., Tn
     d. 1829
     Children:
     1.1 George A. LORREN/LAURIN (notes)
            b. abt. 1818 (Jefferson, Tn or Missouri as listed on Census)
            d. 25 Aug 1889
            Note:  It is also possible that George is the second son and his brother
                      John is the first born and the daughter, Jerusha, the baby.  I list
                      George as first as I have found no records on the son John's
                      birth.
            m. Elizabeth Martha D. ROBBERSON or ROBERTSON
         22 Apr 1841 Carrollton, Carroll Co., Ga
            Note: 1.  Carroll County Georgia Tax Digest 1842 - transcriber of this
                      document lists a "George A. LOVIN" 653 8 - I believe this may be
                      a transcription error for "Lorren"; also, Elijah McPherson Agt 813 7
                      listed on this tax roll - Elijah McPherson was a brother of George's
                      mother-
                      2.  GEORGIA CIVIL WAR SOLDIER INDEX - Page 174 -
                           states a G.A. "Loren" Private served in Company H, 1st Reg't, GA
                           and then gives a G.A. "Lorren" Private served in Company H,
                           1st Reg't, GA Cav. - This is probably the same G.A.
            b.  1825 Ga
            d.  Aft. 1880
            Children:
            1.1.1 Margaret LORREN
                b. 11 Nov. 1843 Cleburne Co., AL
                     d. betw. 1880-1932
                         buried: Oak Level, AL
                     m. Allen SMITH aft 1852 at Camp Creek
                     Children:
                     1.1.1.1 George SMITH
                                 b. 20 Oct. 1869
                                 m. Almary PALMER betw. 1886/1919
                     1.1.1.2 Samuel SMITH
                                 b. 12 Nov 1876
                                 m. Emma PALMER betw. 1893/1926
                     1.1.1.3 Ella Madora SMITH
                                 b. 6 Aug 1878
                                 m. William BAILEY betw 1892/1925
            1.1.2 William Jefferson LORREN
                     b. 10 Apr 1844 Ga
                          buried Oak Level Methodist Church Cemetery, Cleburn Co., Ala.
                     d. 22 Nov 1914
                     m. Nancy (Narcissa) Jane WEST abt 1858
                          b. 1 Nov 1838 Ga
                          d. 28 Oct.1926 Borden Springs, Al
                              buried beside her husband
                                      (L.R. Lorren lists the wife as Jane Platt - dau of Lampkin Platt; their
                               gravestones read: W.J. Lorren, Born Apr. 10, 1840,
                               Died Nov. 22, 1914; Nancy Plott Lorren, Born Nov. 1, 1838,
                               Died Oct. 28, 1926)
                     Notes:  Appears 1880 and 1910 Cenus Cleburne Co., Alabama
                     Children:
                     1.1.2.1 William B. LORREN
                                 b. abt. 1867 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Al
                                 m. Emma REED (REID)
                                      m. bef. 1910
                                      b. 1892
                                 Notes: appears on 1920 Alabama Census; Emma was the dau of
                                            Joseph B. Reid and Helena Carrie HART)
                                 Children:
                                  1.1.2.1.1  Alma D. LORREN
                                                  b. after 1900 - date withheld
                                  1.1.2.1.2  Leon "Jutson" LORREN
                                                 b. 1912 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Al
                                                       buried Bogolusa, Washington Co., Al
                                                       m. Josephine Jean SAVOIE
                                                       b. aft 1900 - date withheld)
                                                  Children:
                                                   1.1.2.1.2.1 Loy Raymond "Pug" LORREN
                                                        b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                     m. Margaret J. RAGLAND
                                                                     b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                     Notes: Margaret was the dau of William B.
                                                                                 Ragland and Cora Lee COOPER
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.2.1.2.1.1 Shelley R. LORREN
                                                                             b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                   1.1.2.1.2.2 Lonnie D. LORREN
                                                   1.1.2.1.2.3 Schandra Jean LORREN
                                   1.1.2.1.3 Rachal LORREN
                                                  b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                   1.1.2.1.4 Cleo LORREN
                                                  b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                   1.1.2.1.5 Willie LORREN
                                                  b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                     1.1.2.2 Elizabeth "Martha" LORREN
                    b. 1869 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Al
                     1.1.2.3 Sarah LORREN
                             b. 1872 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Al
                                 m. I.E. MILLER 28 Feb 1889 Calhoun Co., Al
                     1.1.2.4 John Thomas LORREN
                             b.  28 Dec 1873 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Al
                                 d. 6 Feb 1959
                                     buried Oak Level Cemetery, Cleburne Co., Al
                                 m. Carrie L. ? on  28 Oct 1893
                                 b. 7 Mar 1877
                                     Note:  she is buried beside her husband; no date on headstone
                                Children:
                                 1.1.2.4.1 Lela LORREN
                                           b. 4 Aug 1897
                                                m. Charles POTTS
                                 1.1.2.4.2 Mervin M. LORREN
                                                b. 29 Mar 1900
                                                d. betw. 1921/1990
                                                m. Maude BEACHAM
                                                 Children (birth order unknown):
                                                 1.1.2.4.2.1 Paul LORREN
                                                                   m. Ruby BYERS  (photo)
                                                                   Notes: Ruby dau of Pat Byers and Bessie ?
                                                                   Children:
                                                               1.1.2.4.2.1.1 Kathy LORREN  (photo)
                                                                                        m.  Richard POLLARD (photo)
                                                                   1.1.2.4.2.1.2 William Bill LORREN
                                                                                        m. Sarah Glenda IVY
                                                                                        Children:
                                                                                        1.1.3.4.2.2.1.1 William S. LORREN
                                                                                        1.1.3.4.2.2.1.2 William C. LORREN
                                              1.1.2.4.2.2  Henry LORREN
                                                  1.1.2.4.2.3  Pete LORREN
                                                  1.1.2.4.2.4  Melvin LORREN
                                                  1.1.2.4.2.5  Jaunita LORREN
                                1.1.2.4.3  Willie Mae LORREN
                                                b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                m. Paul JONES
                                 1.1.2.4.4 Ruth LORREN
                                                b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                m. Ervin MORSE
                                 1.1.2.4.5 Gladys LORREN
                                                b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                m. L.K. TYLER
                                 1.1.2.4.6 Flora LORREN
                                                m. Edward GALLAGHER
                     1.1.2.5 Emma LORREN
                            b. 1875 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Al
                     1.1.2.6 O. Webster LORREN (listed in 1870 Cenus-Alabama)
                     1.1.2.7. Etta Bell LORREN
            1.1.3 George Lauderdale LORREN
                b. 4 Jul 1845 Esom Hill, Polk Co.,  Ga
                     d. 10 Jul 1916 Esom Hill, Polk Co., Ga
                          buried: Cherry Grove Cemetery, Palestine, Ala
                     m (1) Nancy Mariny WRIGHT bef. 1879
                      b. 1856
                      d. 1897 Cleburne Co., Al
                     m. (2) Martha Aveline FORRISTER on 3 Jan 1899, Polk Co., Ga
                    b.  Dec. 1870 Cherokee Co., NC
                      d.  15 Dec 1942 Haralson, Ga.
                     Notes:  1. George and Nancy lived next door to John and Julia (Pollard) Lorren
                                 at the time of the 1880 Polk Co., Ala Census; Census takers added an
                                 "s" to Lorren surname; George lived next to Thomas Lorren when the
                                 1900 Polk Co., Ala Census was taken; 2. Martha Aveline Forrister was
                                 married to an unknown "Jones" prior to her marriage to George.
                     Children
                     1.1.3.1 Ella E. LORREN
                                 b. 1 Jan 1879
                                 d. aft. 1951 Calhoun Co., Al
                                 m. Elijah WHEELER
                     1.1.3.2 William Jefferson "Bud" LORREN
                                 b. 19 Apr 1882 Oak Level, Cleburne Co., Ala
                                 d. 7 Mar 1952 Arteriosclerotic heart disease (note 1)
                                     buried: Shiloah Baptist Church Cemetery
                                 m. (1) Betty (Bettie) FORRESTER on 13 Dec 1901 Polk Co., Ga
                                           b. 8 Jul 1884 Cleburne Co., Al
                                           d. 8 Dec 1965
                                Notes: Betty (Bettie) was the dau of John Coleman Forrester and Martha
                                             "Louisa" HART of Esom Hill, Ga; William appears on 1910 Polk
                                             County, Ga. Census
                                Children:
                                 1.1.3.2.1 Lou "Lula" LORREN
                                               b. 7 Mar 1903
                                 1.1.3.2.2 James Milton "Milt" LORREN
                                                b. 30 May 1905
                                                m. Willie COX (dau of Mark Robert COX) 9 Oct 1927
                                                b. 16 Oct 1905 Fanning Co., Ga
                                          Note:  In the Polk County Georgia Death Records for
                                                          1951-1965, Georgia Court of Ordinary, Index to
                                                          Death Certificates, Book B, a Mrs. James Milton
                                                          Lorren(s) is listed as dying on 7 Nov 1958 of
                                                          multiple skull fractures.  I don't know if this is
                                                          Willie.
                                                Children:
                                                1.1.3.2.2.1 James LORREN
                                                1.1.3.2.2.2 Roy LORREN
                                                1.1.3.2.2.3 John LORREN
                                                1.1.3.2.2.4 Mrs. Clifton Lorren WESTER
                                 1.1.3.2.3 Ethel Mae "Totsy" LORREN
                                                b. 18 May 1908 Esom Hill, Ga
                                                d. 2 Jun 1982 Monahans, Tx
                                                m. (1) Carl COX 3 Jul 1925
                                                           b. 1907
                                                           d. 1973 Corsicanna, Tx
                                               m. (2) Lyle SANDERS
                                               Children:
                                               1.1.3.2.3.1 Don COX
                                               1.1.3.2.3.2 Larry COX
                                               1.1.3.2.3.3 Richard COX
                                               1.1.3.2.3.4 Linda COX
                                                                 m. ? BRIDGES
                                               1.1.3.2.3.5 Terry COX (female)
                                                                 m. ? GRANT
                                               1.1.3.2.3.6 Jamie COX (female)
                                                                 m. ? GIBBS
                            1.1.3.2.4 Ruth Gertrude LORREN
                                           b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                 1.1.3.2.5 Marvin LORREN
                                           b. 12 Sept 1913
                                                d. 3 Dec 1989
                                                m. Audie Halsey SMITH
                                 1.1.3.2.6 Nettie Bell LORREN
                                                b. 29 Jul 1917
                                                d. 13 Nov 1987
                                                m. Clifford Paul COX
                                                Children:
                                                1.1.3.2.6.1 Evelyn COX
                                                                  m. ? BROWN
                                 1.1.3.2.7 Nellie Lucile LORREN
                                                b. aft 1900 date withheld
                                                m. ? MORGAN
                                 1.1.3.2.8 Ruby LORREN
                                                b. aft 1900 date withheld
                                                m. ? PACKER 21 Mar 1942
                                 1.1.3.2.9 Josephine "JO" LORREN
                                                b. aft 1900 date withheld
                                                m. Joe TRIOUFO (TRIONFO)
                                  m. (2) Frances "Fannie" PRIETER
                     1.1.3.3 Ollie Etta LORREN
                             b. 5 Nov 1880
                     1.1.3.4. Martha Della LORREN
                             b. 26 Oct 1883 Roane Co., Tn
                             Note: 1910 Census states she was born NC and researches should be
                                            aware that Roane Co,Tn was once considered NC territory
                     1.1.3.5  Effie LORREN
                             b. Mar 1885 Cherokee Co., NC
                     1.1.3.6  Minnie Bell LORREN
                                  b. Jun 1890 in Cherokee Co., NC or Polk Co., Ga
                     1.1.3.7  Robert Lee LORREN
                                  b. 19 Apr 1895 Ga
                     1.1.3.8  Videl LORREN
                                  b. abt 1908
                             Notes: listed as a 2 year old on 1910 Polk Co., Ga Census
                     1.1.3.9  Georgia Louisa LORREN
                                  b. 22 Oct 1900 Ga
            1.1.4  Katherine (Catherine) LORREN
                      b. abt 1849 Cleburne Co., Al
                      d. 1941
                 Notes: 1870 Census states her age as 21
            1.1.5  John L.C. LORREN (photo)
                       b. 1847 (family Bible) (note: LDS records state he was born 1840)
                       d. 1931
                 Note:  If you are connected in this line and find information that you
                                 know is wrong, please, please contact me.  It is at this point my
                                 research is word of mouth.  Names of children may be
                                 repeated, births out of order,  and whether John was married
                                 twice or three times is not known for sure.  I can only be sure
                                 of my line through Samuel Prathell Lorren, John's son by
                                 Julia (Pollard)(Knighten) Lorren.  So if you are a sibling and
                                 can add to or correct me, please write so that, eventually, we
                                 may have an accurate lineage.
                       m. (1) ?
                       Children:
                       1.1.5.1 James Breckenridge (J.B.) LORREN (photo) (story)
                                   b. 1 Dec 1860
                                   d. 12 Oct 1922
                             Note:  Named for General Breckenridge, Civil War.
                                   m. Jerri Ann (Annie) Elevelton KNIGHTEN 20 May 1875 (photo)
                                        (dau of Julia POLLARD and Jeremiah KNIGHTEN 1.3.7.4.4)
                                        b. 23 Sept 1863
                                        d. 26 Sept 1944
                                   Children:
                                   1.1.5.1.1 Mary (Mollie) LORREN
                                                  b. 1 Aug 1881
                                                  d. 15 May 1922
                                                  m. ? PORTER
                                                  Children:
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.1 Luldar PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.2 Manson Anderson PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.3 Eunice PORTER
                                                                     m. ? CHATMAN
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.4 Odie PORTER
                                                                     m. ? CHATMAN
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.5 Mary Ann PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.6 Ervin PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.7 Daniel PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.8 Lincoln PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.9 Dellie PORTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.1.10 Lois PORTER
                                                                       m. ? BROWN
                                   1.1.5.1.2 James (Bill) Wright LORREN
                                                   b. 29 Sept 1885
                                                   d. 1950s
                                                   m. Unknown
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.1 Elithbeth (sic) LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.2 Andy LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.3 Susie LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.4 Nelson LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.5 Ruby LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.6 Fannie LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.7 Flora LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.8 James LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.1.2.9 Paul LORREN
                                   1.1.5.1.3 Sarah Ellen LORREN
                                                  b. 18 Jun 1888
                                                  m. ? HOPKINS
                                                  Children:
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.1 Charles HOPKINS
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.2 Henry HOPKINS
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.3 Corelee HOPKINS
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.4 Arthur HOPKINS
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.5 Alvin HOPKINS
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.6 Hoyte HOPKINS
                                                  1.1.5.1.3.7 Jewel HOPKINS
                                   1.1.5.1.4 John Marion Luther LORREN
                                             b.  Apr 1890
                                                  d.  June 1965
                                                  m. Nancy Lou Venie BARNES (1st Cousin)
                                                       dau of Missouri Lorren & James Barns
                                                  Children:
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.1 James Luther LORREN
                                                                    m. Almer AARON
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.1.1 Annie Ruth LORREN
                                                                                   m. ? WHITAKER
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.1.2 E.J. LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.1.3 Alvin LORREN
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.2 Gordon LORREN
                                                                    m. Lavate NEELY
                                                                    Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.1.4.2.1 John R. LORREN
                                                                     1.1.5.1.4.2.2 Carrol LORREN (male)
                                                                                          m. ?
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          2.2.1 Michelle LORREN
                                                                                                   m. ? CLIFTON
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.3 John Alvin "Dick" LORREN
                                                                    m. Georgia BAILEY
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.3.1 Linda J. LORREN
                                                                                   m. ? ANTHONY
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.3.2 Johnnie LORREN (female)
                                                                                   m. ? MOREN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.3.3 Earnest LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.3.4 Carolyn LORREN
                                                                                   m. ? WHITE
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.4 Leroy "Roy" LORREN
                                                                    m. Lucille SMITH
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.5 Clarence LORREN
                                                                    m. Doris JOHNSON
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.1 Clarence Wade LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.2 Sandra A. LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? HICKS
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.3 Mary Jeannette LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? YOUNG
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.4 Nancy Sue LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? PENDERGRASS
                                                                   1.1.5.1.4.5.5 Sheba Rose LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? GARRETT
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.6 Pamela  Jo LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? HEELEY
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.7 Jonathan LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.8 Debra Kaye LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? VASSAR
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.9 Jeffrey Lynn LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.5.10 Christopher Robin LORREN
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.6 Lillian LORREN
                                                                    m. Russell Haggard DOWNING
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.6.1 Russell Gene DOWNING
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.6.2 Benny Ray DOWNING
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.6.3 Johnny Edward DOWNING
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.7 James "JB" LORREN
                                                                    m. Mary Elizabeth DIXON
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.7.1 Clara Lee LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? MURRAY
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.7.2 Martha Annette LORREN
                                                                                         m. #1 ? RAZER
                                                                                         m. #2 ? MCFARLIN
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.7.3 Larry James LORREN
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.8  Edna Jewell LORREN
                                                                     m. Stanley T. GREGG
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.1.4.8.1 Danny Ray GREGG
                                                                     1.1.5.1.4.8.2 Patricia Ann GREGG
                                                                     1.1.5.1.4.8.3 Kenneth Stewart GREGG
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.9 Ova Dee LORREN
                                                                    m. Henry KIRKWOOD
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.9.1 Henry "Hank" KIRKWOOD
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.9.2 Francis KIRKWOOD
                                                                    1.1.5.1.4.9.3 Wendy KIRKWOOD
                                                  1.1.5.1.4.10 Harold "Jimmy" LORREN
                                    1.1.5.1.5 George LORREN
                                                   b. 24 Feb 1884
                                                   d. 24 Apr 1884
                                    1.1.5.1.6 Julia Lee (Rosie/Rosa) LORREN
                                              b. 29 Nov 1896
                                                   d. 8 Jun 1966
                                                   m. (1) William Cleveland "Cleve" PUCKETT
                                              m. (2) MULLINS
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.1.6.1 Bessie PUCKETT
                                                                     m. ? FORRISTER
                                                   1.1.5.1.6.2 Emily PUCKETT
                                                   1.1.5.1.6.3 Monroe PUCKETT
                                                   1.1.5.1.6.4 Andrew MULLINS
                                                   1.1.5.1.6.5 Flora Mae MULLINS
                                    1.1.5.1.7 Lula LORREN (note 2)
                                              b. 29 Nov 1896
                                                   d. 8 Jun 1966
                                                   m (1) Monroe THOMASON
                                              m (2) ? HINDMON
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.1.7.1 Gladys THOMASON
                                                                     m. ? GREEN
                                                   1.1.5.1.7.2 Joseph Robert THOMASON
                              1.1.5.1.8  Lillie Mae LORREN (note 3)
                                               b. 21 Mar 1899
                                                     m. James Avery Alfred WADDELL
                                                    Children:
                                                    1.1.5.1.8.1 James E.J. WADDELL
                                                    1.1.5.1.8.2 Avery R.C. WADDELL
                                    1.1.5.1.9  Venie Estella LORREN
                                                    b. 2 Aug 1901
                                                    d. Sept 1970
                                                    m. William Washington FORRISTER
                                                     b. 1896
                                                     d. 1956
                                                     Note: William's grandchild Graylin Smith
                                                     graylinsmith@yahoo.com states that "William
                                                     was the son of William Brownlow FORRISTER
                                                     and Langly PORTER" and adds that "both the
                                                     Forrister's and Porters came to North Alabama/
                                                     Georgia just after the War Between the States.
                                                     They came from Murphy (Cherokee County)
                                                      North Carolina.  Many of them were just over
                                                      the Georgia line from Cleburne county Alabama.
                                                      William Brownlow was born about 1870 in
                                                      Georgia (not positive but I believe Esom Hill).
                                                      His parents were Johnny Coleman Forrister
                                                      and Louise WELCH."
                                                    Children:
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.1 William FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.2 Carl FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.3 Jack FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.4 Mildred FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.5 Brownloe FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.6 Roscoe FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.7 Gertrude (aka Gurtridge) FORRISTER
                                                                      b. 15 Feb 1933
                                                                      p. Borden Springs, Cleburn Co., Ala
                                                                      m.  ? SMITH
                                                                      Children:
                                                                       1.1.5.1.9.7.1 Graylin SMITH
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.8 Estell FORRISTER
                                                                      m. ? SALMON
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.9 Annie Ruth FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.10 Jessie FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.11 Russel FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.12 Joe FORRISTER
                                                    1.1.5.1.9.13 Jimmy FORRISTER
                                    1.1.5.1.10 Louella LORREN
                                                b. 2 Aug 1901
                                                     m. Bill CAIN
                                                     Children:
                                                     1.1.5.1.10.1 Harvey CAIN
                                                     1.1.5.1.10.2 Fred CAIN
                                                     1.1.5.1.10.3 Annie Lou CAIN
                                                                        m. ? HUDGINS
                                                     1.1.5.1.10.4 Alvin CAIN
                                                     1.1.5.1.10.5 Elmer CAIN
                                                     1.1.5.1.10.6 Clifford CAIN
                                    1.1.5.1.11 Thomas (Tom) LORREN (murdered out west)
                                                 b. 9 Jan 1904
                                                      d. 1950s
                                    1.1.5.1.12 Alex B. (or P.) LORREN
                                                b. 21 Jun 1907
                                                     d. 16 Feb 1932
                                                     m. Bessie (Ann) SEIGLER
                                                b. withheld aft. 1900
                                                     Children:
                                                     1.1.5.1.12.1 Annie Mae LORREN
                                                                   b. withheld aft. 1900
                                                     1.1.5.1.12.2 James Clifford LORREN
                                                                   b. withheld aft 1900
                       m. (2) Julia Ann POLLARD (KNIGHTEN) (photo)
                                 b. 20 Mar 1838
                                 d. 6 Aug. 1899 Borden Springs, Alabama
                                     Buried:  Borden Springs Cemetery, Cleburne Co., AL gravestone
                                     reads "LArren)
                                     Children by Jeremiah KNIGHTEN:(see Knighten)
                                     1. Acker KNIGHTEN
                                         m. ? __________
                                         Children:
                                         1.1 Charlie C. KNIGHTEN
                                         1.2 John E. KNIGHTEN
                                         1.3 Ben KNIGHTEN
                                         1.4 W.C. KNIGHTEN
                                               m. ? _________
                                               Children:
                                               1.4.1 Sudie Mae KNIGHTEN
                                         1.5 J.C. KNIGHTEN
                                         1.6 Bertie KNIGHTEN
                                         1.7 Julia KNIGHTEN
                                     2. Sarah KNIGHTEN
                                         m. ? WOODARD
                                         Children:
                                          2.1 George WOODARD
                                          2.2 John WOODARD
                                          2.3 Edmond WOODARD
                                     3.  Thomas Wright KNIGHTEN
                                         m. ____________
                                          Children:
                                          3.1 Charlie KNIGHTEN
                                                m. Luther WHEELER
                                          3.2 Crady (Grady) KNIGHTEN
                                          3.3 Lizzie KNIGHTEN
                                                m. William AHERN
                                          3.4 Hettie Mae KNIGHTEN
                                                m. Clarence ALLISON
                                          3.5 Addie KNIGHTEN
                                                m. Mac MCDONALD
                                          3.6 Gussie KNIGHTEN
                                                m. Ellis KELLY
                                                Children:
                                                3.6.1 Inez KELLY
                                                3.6.2 Myrtle KELLY
                                    4.  William Alex KNIGHTEN
                                    5.  Annie KNIGHTEN (Jerri Ann) (photo)
                                         m. (1) J.B. LORREN (half brother) #1.1.5.1 (listed above) (photo)
                                         m. (2) George C. SMITH
         Children (by John L.C. LORREN)
                       1.1.5.2 William Aaron LORREN (photo at Payne Daniel's site) (note 4)
                             b. 1 Sept 1870 Ga?
                                   d. 22 Apr 1947 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                   buried: Borden Springs Church of Christ Cemetery
                                               Cleburne County, AL
                                   m.  Lutisha Cathren ABNEY(photo at Payne Daniel's site)
                             b. 29 Dec 1875 Cleburne Co, Ala
                                   d. 28 Apr 1956 Cherokee Co., Ala
                                   buried: : Borden Springs Church of Christ Cemetery
                                               Cleburne County, AL
                                   Children:
                                   1.1.5.2.1 Virgil LORREN
                                   1.1.5.2.2 Emil Newton LORREN
                                     b. 2 Nov 1894 in Cleburne Co. Ala
                                                  d. 15 Aug 1985 in Raleigh, NC, Wake County
                                                       buried Raleigh Memorial Park, NC
                                                  m. Ruby Florence WARMACK (ancestry at Payne's site)
                                                      on 5 Jan 1930 "over the line" Calhoun Co. Ala. or Ga
                                                  b.  25 Nov 1905 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                 d.  22 Oct 1996 Raleigh, NC, Wake County
                                                       buried: Raleigh Memorial Park, NC
                                                  Children:
                                                  1.1.5.2.2.1 Charlotte Ethelyn LORREN
                                                               b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                    m. Joseph Clyde CHERRY
                                                               b. 12 Sept 1932 Memphis, Tn
                                                                    d. 12 May 1989 Atlanta, Ga
                                                                    Notes: Joseph was the son of Sydney Clyde Cherry
                                                                               and Wynogene WYMAN
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.1.1 Richard Wayne CHERRY
                                                                                    b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                                                         m. Caroline HOWIE
                                                                                    b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.1.1.1 Heather CHERRY
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.1.1.2 Elizabeth CHERRY
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.1.2 Linda Jean CHERRY
                                                                                    b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                                                         m. (1) John Joel BYERLY (BYERLEY)
                                                                                         m. (2)  Anthony Wayne TRUJILLO
                                                                                         Notes:  John Byerly is the son
                                                                                                      of Thomas Evans Byerley
                                                                                                      and Ruth Lenora TATE
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.1.2.1 Lauren TRUJILLO
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.1.3 Brenda Jo CHERRY
                                                                                         m. Rusty WHITE
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.1.3.1 Lindsay Jo WHITE
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.1.3.2 Charlotte A. WHITE
                                                  1.1.5.2.2.2 Clarice Rayonelle LORREN
                                                                    b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                    m. Alton Glenn HOLLAND
                                                               b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                    Notes:  Alton is the son of Thomas Avris Holland, Sr.
                                                                                and Julia Ruth JOHNSON
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.2.1 Alton Glenn HOLLAND, Jr.
                                                                                         m. Kay Frances POORE
                                                                                         Notes: Kay is the dau of Franklin
                                                                                                     Edward Poore and Maxine
                                                                                                     GRIMES
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.1.1 David G. HOLLAND
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.1.2 Johnathan HOLLAND
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.2.2 Daniel Aaron HOLLAND
                                                                                         m. Jennifer Elizabeth DILLARD
                                                                                    Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.2.1 Elizabeth R. HOLLAND
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.2.2 Michael A. HOLLAND
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.2.3 Thomas L. HOLLAND
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.2.3 Andrew Ray HOLLAND
                                                                                         m. Melissa Lynn FERGUSON
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.2.3.1 Amanda HOLLAND
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.2.2.3.2 Rebekah  HOLLAND
                                    1.1.5.2.2.3 Shirley Catherine LORREN
                                                                   b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                   m. Garland Payne DANIEL
                                                                   b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                   Notes: Garland is the son of James William Cromwell
                                                                              Daniel and Bonnie Gertrude MILLER
                                                                   Children:
                                                                   1.1.5.2.2.3.1 Stephen Marshall DANIEL
                                                                                        m. (1) Cindy Jean ARTHUR
                                                                                        Children:
                                                                                        1.1.5.2.2.3.1.1 Catherine E.DANIEL
                                                                                        1.1.5.2.2.3.1.2 Laura J. DANIEL
                                                                                        m. (2) Patricia Sue HITES (GALLOWAY)
                                                                                        Children:
                                                                                        1. Nicholas GALLOWAY
                                                                                                                           m. Jerrica MARTINEZ
                                                                                                                            Children:
                                                                                                                       1 Justin GALLOWAY
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.3.2 Stephanie Lorren DANIEL
                                                                                         m. Jame Alex CLAYTON
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.3.2.1 Rachel M. CLAYTON
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.3.2.2 Adam D. CLAYTON
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.3.2.2 Sabrina N. CLAYTON
                                                  1.1.5.2.2.4 Ruby Mitchell "Mitchie" LORREN
                                                               b. aft 1900- date and place withheld
                                                                    m. (1) Stacy Lynwood JONES
                                                                    b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                                    d. 11 May 1983
                                                                    m. (2) James Scott SHAW
                                                                    b. 18 Aug 1938
                                                                    d. 13 Sept 1996 Raleigh, NC
                                                                    Notes: Stacy was the son of Henry D. Jones
                                                                                and Alma Bass WILLIAMS; James Shaw
                                                                                was the son of George Scott Shaw and
                                                                                Hazel D. HANNA
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.4.1 Rhonda Lynn JONES
                                                                                         m. Benjamin Lewis BARNES
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.1.1 Benjamin BARNES II
                                                                                                                                                       m. Courtney HARLOW
                                                                                                                                                       Children:
                                                                                                                                                       1.1.5.2.2.4.1.1.1 Bridget
                                                                                                                                                       1.1.5.2.2.4.1.1.2 Benjamin
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.1.2 Christopher BARNES
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.4.2 Kathryn (Kathy) Elizabeth JONES
                                                                                        m. David Timothy WEAVER
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.2.1 James L. WEAVER
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.2.2 Allison R. WEAVER
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.4.3 David Wayne JONES
                                                                                         m. Deborah Joy CREECH
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.3.1 Christina M. JONES
                                                                                                                 m. Leslie MCIVER
                                                                                                                 Children:
                                                                                      1.1.5.2.2.4.3.1.1 Coby
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.3.2 Samantha L. JONES
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.2.4.3.2 Avery N. JONES
                                                                    1.1.5.2.2.4.4 Tracee JONES
                                                                                          m. (1) ? BOLICK
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.2.4.4.1 Stacy BOLICK
                                                                                           m. (2) ? WARREN
                                                                                           Children:
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.2.4.4.2 Travis WARREN
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.2.4.4.3 Christopher WARREN
                                                                                           m. (3) ? SMILEY
                                   1.1.5.2.3 John L. LORREN
                                                  b. 1896 Borden Springs, Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                  d. 4 Jul 1939 Raleigh, Wake Co., NC
                                                  buried New Bethel Cemetery Borden Springs, Ala
                                                  m.  Anna GILLEY
                                                  b. 3 Jun 1892 Ala
                                                  d. 15 Apr 1970 Raleigh, Wake Co., NC
                                                  buried Raleigh Memorial Park Cemetery near her children
                                                  Notes: Anna was the dau of John Gilley and Francis TURNER
                                                  Children:
                                                  1.1.5.2.3.1 John Harlson LORREN
                                                                    b. 20 Jul 1915
                                                                    d. 17 Jul 1993 Raleigh, NC
                                                  1.1.5.2.3.2 Kathleen LORREN
                                                                    b. 17 Jul 1924
                                                                    d. 14 Oct 2000 Raleigh, NC
                                                                    m. William THOMAS
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.2.1 Dell THOMAS
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.2.2 Natasha THOMAS
                                                                            m. ? LONGNECKER
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.2.3 Sherin THOMAS
                                                                            m. ? SMETANA
                                                  1.1.5.2.3.3 Claude Elton LORREN
                                                                    b. 14 Feb 1927
                                                                    d. 17 Jun 1986 Raleigh, NC
                                                                    m. Angeline FERRANT
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.3.1 Stanly LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.3.2 Claudia LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? POLLANDER
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.3.3 Chrisie LORREN
                                                                                         m. ? ANDERSON
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.3.4 Marie LORREN
                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.3.5 John Claude LORREN
                                                                                         b. 1946
                                                                                         d. 8 Feb 2000
                                                                                         m.  Victoria ?
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.3.3.5.1 Karin LORREN
                                                                                                                 m. Frank WINSLOW III
                                                                                                                 Children:
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.3.3.5.1.1 Frank
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.3.3.5.1.2 Alex
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.3.3.5.2 Karyl LORREN
                                                                                                                 m. Kent CASHWELL
                                                                                                                Children:
                                                                                                                                                    1.1.5.2.3.3.5.2.1 Sarah
                                                                                                                                                       1.1.5.2.3.3.5.2.2 Chance
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.3.3.5.3 Kristen LORREN
                                                                                                                  m. Greg PERCY
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.3.3.5.4 Janice LORREN
                                                                                                                  m. Felt HAIRR
                                                  1.1.5.2.3.4 Ruby Mae LORREN
                                                       b. 13 May 1929
                                                                    d. 16 Apr 1968 Raleigh, Wake Co., NC
                                                                    m. Douglas FORD
                                    1.1.5.2.4 Ora A. LORREN
                                                b. 27 Oct 1899 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                   d. 5 Feb 1921 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                   buried New Bethel Cemetery, Borden Springs, Ala
                                                   m. Levi SADLER (SADDLER)
                                                   b.  9 Oct 1886
                                                   d.  4 Nov 1947
                                                   buried:  Borden Springs Church of Christ Cemetery
                                                                Cleburne County, AL
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.2.4.1 Katy SADLER (SADDLER)
                                                                     m. Edward (E.G.) MACON, Jr.
                                                                     b. abt 1919
                                                                     d. ? Jan 2001
                                                                     buried Montlawn Memorial Park, Raleigh, NC
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.4.1.1 Paul MACON
                                                   1.1.5.2.4.2 James William SADLER (SADDLER)
                                                        b. 1921
                                                                     d. 1996 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                                     m. Inez HULSEY
                                                        Notes: In 1982 operated store at Palestine, Ala
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.4.2.1 Geraldine SADLER (SADDLER)
                                                                     1.1.5.2.4.2.2 Brenda SADLER (SADDLER)
                                    1.1.5.2.5 William Isaac LORREN
                                      b. 14 Aug 1900 Borden Springs, Ala
                                                  d. 15 May 1935 Anniston, Ala
                                                        buried New Bethel Cemetery Borden Springs, Ala
                                                   m. Lillian HARALSON
                                                   b. 14 Feb 1898 DeKalb Co., Ala
                                                   d. 15 May 1982
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.2.5.1 William Earl LORREN
                                                        b. 1923
                                                                     d. 1924
                                                   1.1.5.2.5.2 Janie Katherene LORREN
                                                                     b. aft 1900 - date withheld
                                                                     m. (1) Hershel BROOKS
                                                         b. 3 Jul 1920
                                                                     d. 1 Sept 1963
                                                                     m. (2) John Harvey HARRIS
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.5.2.1 Jerry BROOKS
                                                                     1.1.5.2.5.2.2 Garland BROOKS
                                                   1.1.5.2.5.3 Harlan LORREN
                                                        b. 1928
                                                                     d. 1940
                                    1.1.5.2.6 Theresa "Thersie" LORREN
                                               b. 19 Jul 1904 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                    d. 22 Nov 1980 Raleigh, NC
                                                    m. Robert C. DYER
                                               b. 26 May 1911
                                                    d. Oct 1989 Raleigh, NC
                                                    Children:
                                                    1.1.5.2.6.1 Billie Dove DYER
                                                    1.1.5.2.6.2 Jessie Lee DYER
                                                                      m. John Wesley WILLIAMS
                                                                      Children:
                                                                      1.1.5.2.6.2.1 Joni Lyn WILLIAMS
                                                                                           b. abt 1965
                                                                                           d. 17 Jun 1996 Raleigh NC
                                                                                                blood clot in lung
                                                                      1.1.5.2.6.2.2 Jill Theresa WILLIAMS
                                                    1.1.5.2.6.3 Emil DYER
                                    1.1.5.2.7 Agee V. LORREN
                                              b. 1906 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                   d. 1964 Gadsden, Etowah Co., Ala
                                                        buried Crestwood Cemetery, Gadsden, Ala
                                                   m. Alma "Willis" MULLINS
                                              b. 1907
                                                   d. 1986 Gadsden, Ala
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.2.7.1 Willis Eugene LORREN
                                                                      m. Brenda Marjory SMITH in England
                                                                      b. aft 1900 date withheld
                                                                           Cheltenham, England
                                                                      Children:
                                                                      1.1.5.2.7.1.1 Steven LORREN
                                                                                           m. Julia BROTHERS
                                                                                           Children:
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.7.1.1.1 Jeremy S. LORREN
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.7.1.1.2 Daniel C. LORREN
                                                                      1.1.5.2.7.1.2 Sharon LORREN
                                                                                           m. Darrel Bruce SMITH
                                                                                           Children:
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.7.1.2.1 April N. SMITH
                                                                                                                    m. ? HARTLEY
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.7.1.2.2 Robert Bruce SMITH
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.7.2.2.3 Darrell Lorren SMITH
                                    1.1.5.2.8 Pearl Lenor LORREN
                                              b. 16 Apr 1908 Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                   d. 25 Jan 1968 Spring Garden, Cherokee Co., Ala
                                                      buried Piedmont Memory Gardens, Piedmont, Ala
                                                   m. Floyd William BASWELL
                                              b. 6 Jan 1908
                                                   d. 15 Jan 1981
                                                       buried alongside wife
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.2.8.1 Lona Ree BASWELL
                                                                     b. 9 May 1931
                                                                     d. 12 Nov 1989
                                                                          buried New Bethel Cemetery, Borden Springs,
                                                                                  Ala
                                                                     m. Jefferson Earnest HUNT
                                                        b. 9 May 1931
                                                                     d. 12 Nov 1989
                                                                         buried alongside wife
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.1.1 Gail HUNT (female)
                                                                                          m. ? LEE
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.1.2 Doris HUNT
                                                                                         m. ? LINER
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.1.3 Sue HUNT
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.1.4 Thomas HUNT
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.1.5 William Daniel HUNT
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.1.6 Nancy HUNT
                                                                                          m. ? OWENS
                                                   1.1.5.2.8.2 Casa Nova (Casey) BASWELL
                                                        b. 7 May 1932
                                                                     d. 5 Oct 2000 Ala
                                                                     m. Annie Dell DEMPSEY
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.1 Billy Nova BASWELL
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.2 Judy BASWELL
                                                                                          m. ? MCGATHA
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.3 Patricia BASWELL
                                                                                          m. ? SURRETT
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.4 Samuel BASWELL
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.5 Michael BASWELL
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.6 Bobby Wayne BASWELL
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.2.7 Sherry Lynne BASWELL
                                                                                          m. ? SAUCEDA
                                                   1.1.5.2.8.3 Toni Carolyn BASWELL
                                                                     m. Druey H. TIERCE
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.3.1 Dennis Ray TIERCE
                                                                                          m. Mary CRANE
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.3.2 Carol Mereia TIERCE
                                                                                          m. Ronnie PAYNE
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.3.2.1 Brandi N. PAYNE
                                                   1.1.5.2.8.4 Herbert W. BASWELL
                                                                     m. Linda MOTES
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.4.1 Sandra BASWELL
                                                                                          m. ? COKER
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.4.2 Shirley BASWELL
                                                                                          m. ? BLACK
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.4.2.1 Ethan BLACK
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.4.2.2 Jacob Rhyse BLACK
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.4.3 Carley BASWELL (male)
                                                   1.1.5.2.8.5 Pearl Raynell BASWELL
                                                                    m. (1) Sam C. BARRETT
                                                                    b. 4 Mar 1935
                                                                    d. 23 Dec 1958
                                                                    buried Piedmont Memory Gardens, Piedmont,
                                                                                 Ala
                                                                    m. (2) ? BRADSHAW
                                                                    Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.8.5.1 Ray Scott BRADSHAW
                                                                                         m. Teresa EDWARDS
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.8.5.1.1 Austin H. BRADSHAW
                                                                                         1.1.5.2.8.5.1.2 Bruce H. BRADSHAW
                                                                    1.1.5.2.8.5.2 Bruce H. BRADSHAW
                                                   1.1.5.2.8.6 Betty Lou BASWELL
                                                                     m. Wendell Eugene JACKSON
                                                                     Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.2.8.6.1 Wendell Gregory JACKSON
                                                                                          m. Terry REAVES
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.6.1.1 Shawna L. ELLIS
                                                                     1.1.5.2.8.6.2 Monte Alan JACKSON
                                                                                          m. Amy MILLER
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.6.2.1 Alyson N. JACKSON
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.6.2.2 Collin B. JACKSON
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.8.6.2.3 Ryan M. JACKSON
                                    1.1.5.2.9 Jesse Carrmon LORREN (male)
                                                   b. 14 Jul 1910  Cleburne Co., Ala
                                                   d. 18 Aug 1996 Gadsden, Etowah Co., Ala
                                                        buried Crestwood Cemetery, Gadsden, Ala
                                                   m. Genie Annette GUTHRIE
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.2.9.1 Infant
                                                                     b. 13 Mar 1931
                                                                     d. 13 Mar 1931
                                                   1.1.5.2.9.2 Mary Janet LORREN
                                                                     m. Horace Ray NOAH
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.9.2.1 David Lane NOAH
                                                                                          m. Tricia TURNER
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.9.2.1.1 Kristi L. NOAH
                                                                                                                  m. Mathew ST. JOHN
                                                                                          1.1.5.2.9.2.1.2 Jared L. NOAH
                                                                     1.1.5.2.9.2.2  Donna Lynne NOAH
                                                                                           m. Randall FOWLER
                                                                                           Children:
                                                                                           1.1.5.2.9.2.2.1 Randi L. FOWLER (F)
                                                                     1.1.5.2.9.2.3 Christopher Ray NOAH
                                                                             b. 5 Feb 1966 Gadsden, Ala
                                                                                          d. 12 Jan 1987 Gadsden, Ala
                                                                                          m. Angela MCGATHA
                                                   1.1.5.2.9.3 Kenneth Ray LORREN
                                                                     m. Charlotte Ann PATTY
                                                   1.1.5.2.9.4 Jerry Wayne LORREN
                                                                     m. Annette POWELL
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.9.4.1 Jerri Lynn LORREN
                                                   1.1.5.2.9.5 Rebecca "Becky" LORREN
                                                                     m. Dean HULSEY
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.2.9.5.1 Kacy Lynne HULSEY
                                    1.1.5.2.10 Woodrow Wilson LORREN
                                                     m. (1) Frances Rebecca BUTTRAM
                                                     m. (2) Dora GIPSON
                                    1.1.5.2.11 Shella Lou Tishie LORREN
                                                     b. 8 Apr 1915 Borden Springs, Ala
                                                     d. 16 Nov 1994 Piedmont, Ala
                                                     buried Piedmont Memory Gardens, Piedmont, Ala
                                                     m. Telles Lee HAMBY on 10 Jan 1935 Chulafiney, Ala
                                                     b. 6 Sept 1911 Morganton, NC
                                                     d. 20 Mar 1976 Piedmont, Ala
                                                     buried alongside wife
                                                     Notes: Telles was the son of John Hamby and Myrtle ?
                                                     Children:
                                                     1.1.5.2.11.1 Leland Hall HAMBY
                                                            b. 3 Jan 1939 Borden Springs, Ala
                                                                         d. 3 Jan 1939 Borden Springs, Ala
                                                     1.1.5.2.11.2 Marilyn Yvonne HAMBY
                                                                         m. (1) Albert Thomas MINTON
                                                                         b. 5 Jan 1941
                                                                         d. 13 Mar 1993
                                                                         m. (2) Roy Max GALLOWAY
                                                                         Children:
                                                                         1.1.5.2.11.2.1 Tammy Lynn MINTON
                                                                                                 m. Gregory Brent NORTON
                                                                                                 Children:
                                                                                                1.1.5.2.11.2.1.1 Chadwick NORTON
                                                                                                1.1.5.2.11.2.1.2 Brittany NORTON
                                                                         1.1.5.2.11.2.2 Michele Yvetter MINTON
                                                                                                m. Rodney WADDELL
                                                                                                Children:
                                                                                                 1.1.5.2.11.2.2.1 Tori WADDELL
                                                                                                 1.1.5.2.11.2.2.1 Kali WADDELL
                                                                         1.1.5.2.11.2.3 Tracy Nicole MINTON
                                                                                                 m. Jonathan Wayne INGRAM
                                                                                                 Children:
                                                                                                 1.1.5.2.11.2.3.1 Mathew INGRAM
                                                                                                 1.1.5.2.11.2.3.2 Samuel INGRAM
                                                     1.1.5.2.11.3 Leroy HAMBY
                                                            b. aft 1900 - date and place withheld
                                                                         m. Mary Ann PARKER
                                                            b. 22 Aug 1952
                                                                         d. 7 Mar 1982
                                                                         Children:
                                                                         1.1.5.2.11.3.1 Leland Dan HAMBY
                                                                         1.1.5.2.11.3.2 Rodney Lee HAMBY
                                                                                                m. Lisa ?
                                                                                                Children:
                                                                                               1.1.5.2.11.3.2.1 Marisa HAMBY
                        1.1.5.3 Sidney Cruth LORREN
                               b. 1872
                                    m. Mary ?
                                    1.1.5.3.1 James LORREN
                                    1.1.5.3.2 Elbert LORREN
                                    1.1.5.3.3 Pauline LORREN
                        1.1.5.4 James Tilton (Tildon) LORREN (photo)
                                    b. 15 Oct 1875 (contradiction 1880 census gave age as 7)
                                    d. 14 Nov 1918 buried Borden Springs Cemetery
                                    m. Alma STUDDARD
                               Notes: James was a school teacher
                                    Children:
                                    1.1.5.4.1 Daisey LORREN (photo)
                        1.1.5.5 Samuel Prathel LORREN (photo)
                               b. 9 Apr 1879
                                    d. 12 Nov 1940
                               m. Nancy Oleana HEDGEPETH (Nanny) (photo) (see Hedgepeth)
                                    b. 9 Mar 1882
                                    d. 17 Feb 1957
                                    Children:
                                    1.1.5.5.1 Jasper Tillman LORREN (photo)
                                                   b.  7 Nov 1900 Borden Springs, Ala
                                                   d.  21 Jan 1948 Cedartown, Georgia
                                                        Buried Borden Springs Cemetery
                                                   m. Christine Inez COOK (photo)
                                                   b. 8 Oct. 1919 Carrolton, Carroll Co., Georgia
                                                   d. 4 May 1977 Mobile, Alabama
                                                       Buried:  Borden Springs Cemetery
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.5.1.1 Infant
                                                                    b. 1938
                                                                    d. 1938
                                                   1.1.5.5.1.2 Sue LORREN (living) (photo)
                                                                     b. withheld/Living
                                                                     m. (1) Horace Marvin HALL
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.5.1.2.1 Rebecca A. HALL (photo)
                                                                                          m. (1) James Robert BAKER
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.2.1.1 Stephanie BAKER KIVAK
                                                                                          m. (2) John J. KIVAK
                                                                                     Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.2.1.2 Cassandra KIVAK
                                                                     m. (2) Bernard Pritchett
                                                                     m. (3) Thomas (Hadala) (Ryan) (photo)
                                                   1.1.5.5.1.3 Kenneth LORREN (living) (photo)
                                                                     m. Nina LAYNE
                                                                     Children:
                                                                     1.1.5.5.1.3.1 Donnie LORREN
                                                                     1.1.5.5.1.3.2 Terri LORREN
                                                                                          m. (1) John STOWE
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.3.2.1 Molly STOWE
                                                                                          m. (2) Ronald STRIBLIN
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.3.2.2 Clint STRIBLIN
                                                                     1.1.5.5.1.3.3 Jeff LORREN
                                                                                          m. Melissa BOATNER
                                                                                          Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.3.3.1 Dylan LORREN
                                                                                        4 Mitchell MORGAN
                                                                                          m. Lisa MAYHALL
                                                                                           Children:
                                                                                           4.1 Jessica MORGAN
                                                                                           4.2 Tyler MORGAN
                                                                     1.1.5.5.1.3.5 Melissa LORREN
                                                                                          m. John LEDBETTER
                                                                                         Children:
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.3.5.1 Dustin LEDBETTER
                                                                                          1.1.5.5.1.3.5.2 Laurin LEDBETTER
                                                   1.1.5.5.1.4 Clarence D. LORREN (living)
                                    1.1.5.5.2 Emmit Washington LORREN
                                             b. 7 Feb 1903
                                                   d. 7 Nov 1974
                                                   m. (1) Parlee ?
                                                   b. 11 May 1907
                                                   d. 30 Dec.1933 buried Borden Springs Cemetery
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.5.2.1 Cecil LORREN (Cowboy)
                                                   1.1.5.5.2.2 Leon LORREN
                                                                     m. (1) Arlene ?
                                                                  d. 3 Sept. 2002
                                                                     Children:
                                                                    1.1.5.5.2.2.1 Barbara LORREN
                                                                     1.1.5.5.2.2.2 Charlotte LORREN
                                                                     1.1.5.5.2.2.3 Steve LORREN
                                                                     1.1.5.5.2.2.4 Regina LORREN
                                                                     m. (2) ?__________
                                                    m. (2) ? unknown wife of Emmit believed to be the mother
                                                          of Emma Jean below.
                                                    Children:
                                                    1.1.5.5.2.3 Emma Jean LORREN
                                    1.1.5.5.3 Laura Mae LORREN
                                             b. 10 Mar 1907
                                                   d. 21 Oct 1971
                                                   buried: Borden Springs Church of Christ Church Cemetery,
                                                   Cleburne, Alabama
                                                   m. Frank McWhorter
                                             Children:
                                                   1.1.5.5.3.1 C.J. McWhorter
                                                   1.1.5.5.3.2 Edwin McWhorter
                                                   1.1.5.5.3.3 Faye McWhorter
                                    1.1.5.5.4 Nellie Sue LORREN (Aunt Sudie)
                                                   b. 15 Jun 1914
                                                   d.  24 Nov 1992
                                                   m.  Edward HULSEY
                                    1.1.5.5.5 Mattie Lee LORREN
                                                b. 17 Feb 1905
                                                   d. 9 Aug 1984
                                                   buried: Borden Springs Church of Christ Cemetery
                                                   Cleburne County, AL
                                                  m. (1) Frank LYLE
                                               b.  10 Nov 1901
                                                  d.  8 Feb 1940
                                                   buried: Borden Springs Church of Christ Cemetery
                                                   Cleburne County, AL
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.1 Jessie LYLE (Jabbo)
                                                                     m. Judy ?
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.2 Emmitt LYLE (Buddy)
                                                  1.1.5.5.5.3 Margaret LYLE (photo)
                                                                  + ? REDDING
                                                   m. (2) ? BEECHAM
                                                         Child by Beecham's 1st Marriage: ?
                                                   Children:
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.4 Jackie BEECHAM
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.5 Roy BEECHAM (Twin)
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.6 Troy BEECHAM (Twin)
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.7 James BEECHAM
                                                   1.1.5.5.5.8 Henry BEECHAM
                                    1.1.5.5.6 Annie Lou LORREN (Aunt Dandy)
                                                   b. 12 Jun 1909 Borden Springs, Ala
                                                   m. Clarence ERWIN
                                    1.1.5.5.7 Jasper William (Billy) LORREN (adopted child)
                                                   b. 21 Jun 1930
                                                   d. 16 Nov. 1983 buried Camp Creek Cemetery
                                                       at Muscadine
                        1.1.5.6 Haley LORREN
                              b. aft 1880 (wasn't listed on 1880 census)
                                    m. ? HEAD
                                    Children:
                                    1.1.5.6.1 Jack HEAD
                                    1.1.5.6.2 Richard HEAD
                                    1.1.5 6.3 Mae HEAD
                                    1.1.5.6.4 Lou HEAD (female)
                        1.1.5.7. Julie LORREN
                        1.1.5.8 George "Pap" LORREN
                             Note:  If this George is the same George as listed on the
                                               1880 Census as 9 years old, then the dispute as to
                                               whether his mother was Julia or Martha is resolved.
                                                If George Pap is Julia's son then George would be
                                                the second son born to John and Julia making
                                                George number 1.1.5.3 on the chart (remember,
                                                I believe John may have been married prior to
                                                Julia and had at least one child - John Breckenridge
                                                Lorren who would take the number 1 slot, making
                                                William A. Lorren - John and Julia's first born -
                                                number 2 on the chart),  Corruth as 1.1.5.4,
                                                Tilton as 1.1.5.5, Samuel as 1.1.5.6, Haley, as
                                                1.1.5.7, and Julia 1.1.5.8.   For now I will leave
                                                George as the last child.
                                          m. Rosalee WOMACK
                                    Children:
                                    1.1.5.7.1 Billy LORREN
                                    1.1.5.7.2 Yogi LORREN
                                    1.1.5.7.3 Judy LORREN
                                                4 Pansy LORREN (child by Rosalee's 1st marriage)
                                                5 Frankie LORREN (child by Rosalee's 1st marriage)
                                                6 Helen LORREN (child by Rosalee's 1st marriage)
                                                7 Johnnie LORREN (child by Rosalee's 1st marriage)
                        m. (3) Martha Jane PRICE (2nd or 3rd wife of John L.C. LORREN)
                                   b.  1882 in Alabama
                                   d.  Betw. 1950-52
                             Note:  According to Janet Lorren Noah's family recollections,
                                    the following were listed as half brothers and sisters to
                                    William A. Lorren:
                                                    1. Charlie Lorren
                                                    2. Jesse Lorren
                                                    3. Lonnie Lorren
                                                    4. Robert Lorren
                                                    5. Fred Lorren
                                                    6. Authey/Authie Lorren Studdard

                               The list of nine children of John Lorren and Martha Jane Price
                                      was supplied by Sandra Seal, a granddaughter. The 1910
                                      Cleburne County, Alabama Census lists the children and
                                      mother, Marthie age 28. From the Notes of Sandra Seal: "My
                                      grandfather, John Lorren had nine children with Martha Jane
                                      Price. He was her second husband and much older than her.
                                      I do not know whom she married the first time, but she had a
                                      daughter by her first husband. I don't know who raised this
                                      child or her name. I don’t know if she lived with her dad or
                                      my grandmother and grandfather. My dad said that she was
                                      murdered when she was a young woman. He said a man cut
                                      her throat [I] never asked my dad if he grew up with her
                                      so I don''t know if he actually knew her. All that I know about
                                      my grandfather’s first wife was that she died and Mr. Lorren
                                      had several sons by her. They were grown when John and
                                      Martha got married. In fact, the story goes that my
                                      grandmother was very pretty and some of Mr. Lorren’ s
                                      sons had tried to date her before she married my
                                      grandfather".   According to the Census, J. L. C. Lorren
                                      was living alone at the age of 51, probably between
                                      marriages?
 

                         1.1.5.9 Warner LORREN
                              m. Emma HEDGEPETH (HEDGEPETH #1.1.1.11)
                              m. Nellie RIPLEY
                                    Children: (birth order unknown)
                                    1.1.5.8.1  Lorene LORREN (photo)
                                    1.1.5.8.2  Kathlene LORREN (photo)
                        1.1.5.10 Charlie Arthur LORREN
                                b.  1902
                                      d.  1992
                                      m. Cecilia "Cecil" ?
                                      Children:
                                      1.1.5.10.1 Ann LORREN
                                      1.1.5.10.2 Polly LORREN
                        1.1.5.11 Authie\Authey LORREN
                                      b.  1904 in Ala
                                      d.  shortly after having a baby and her husband
                                           raised the children somewhere around
                                           Piedmont, Ala
                                      m. Milt STUDDARD
                  1.1.5.12 Lonnie LORREN
                                      b. 1905 in Ala.
                                      Note:  Lonnie disappeared shortly after he left the Army.
                                                 He left an unnamed wife and two children
                                                 Some researchers believe he was murdered
                        1.1.5.13 Robert "Rob" LORREN
                                      b. 1907 Ala.
                        1.1.5.14 Jesse H. LORREN
                                      b. 1907/08 Ala
                                      d. 1992
                                      m. Elvie Mae JACOBS
                                Note:  In the Polk County Georgia Death Records for
                                                1951-1965, Georgia Court of Ordinary, Index to
                                                Death Certificates, Book B, a Elvie Jacobs Lorrens
                                                died 14 Nov 1964 due to Arteriosclerotic heart disease.
                                      Children:
                                      1.1.5.14.1 Jessie Joyce LORREN
                                          b. 1939
                                                       d. 1993
                                                       m. Frank VINES
                                                       Children:
                                                       1.1.5.14.1.1 Frank Lawayne VINES
                                                       1.1.5.14.1.2 David Bryant VINES
                                      1.1.5.14.2  Sandra Gail LORREN
                                                        m. Elias Jefferson SEAL, Jr.
                                                        Children:
                                                        1.1.5.14.2.1 Terrie SEAL
                                                                            m. David OWENS
                                                        1.1.5.14.2.2 Gretchen SEAL
                                                        1.1.5.14.2.3 Jeffery Lorren SEAL
                  1.1.5.15  Fred LORREN
                                Note:  believed Fred died at a young age of typhoid fever.
                                                 believed to be buried at Shiloh Church
                        1.1.5.16 Jeff LORREN
                                      d. abt. 1959
                        1.1.5.17 Woodrow LORREN
                                      d. as an infant; buried at Mountain Creek Church
           1.1.6 Sarah LORREN (dau George A. LORREN)
                     b. abt 1851 (1870 Cenus gives age 19)
           1.1.7 Martha "Mattie" Deborah LORREN (more info at Payne Daniel's web site)
               b. 9 Dec 1853 Ala or Georgia
                     d. 8 May 1921 Carrol County, Ga
                         buried Antioch Baptist Church Cemetery
                     m. James Wesley KILGORE 21 Mar 1875 in Cleburne Co., Ala
                     b.  7 Feb 1853 in Ala
                     d. 5 Jun 1936 in Carrol County, Ga
                         buried Antioch Baptist Church Cemetery
                     Children:
                     1.1.7.1 Almeda (Meadie) KILGORE
                    b.  15 Aug 1878 Ala
                                 d. 14 Jan 14, 1967 Carrol County, Ga
                                      buried Antioch Baptist Church Cemetery
                                 m. J. William (Will) WEBB 10 Sept 1899, Cleburne co., Ala
                                 b. 10 Mar 1879 Ala
                                 d. 5 June 1963 Carrol County, Ga
                                     buried Antioch Baptish Church Cemetery
                     1.1.7.2 John Lyrie KILGORE
                                 b. 13 Dec 1880, Muscadine, Ala
                                 d. 14 Dec 1963 Carrollton, Ga
                                     buried at Old Camp Methodist Church
                     1.1.7.3 Rosa Ann KILGORE
                    b. 01 Apr 1883, Ala
                                 d. 21 Aug 1967, Carrol County, Ga
                                     buried at Old Camp Methodist Church
                     1.1.7.4 Ellen B. KILGORE
                    b. 08 Aug 1885
                                 d. 04 July 1976, Providence, Ala
                                     buried at Providence Church Cemetery
                                 m. Robert J.W. FINCHER 10 Feb 1924 Carrol Co., Ga
                                 b. 01 Nov 1871
                                 d. 08 May 1954 Woodland, Ala
                     1.1.7.5 Criscro W. KILGORE
                                 b. 03 Apr 1887
                                 d. July 12, 1925, Ranburne, Ala
                                 m. Susie SMITH 02 Nov 1913 Carrol Co., Ga
                                 b. 30 Jan 1893
                                 d. 12 Oct 1975 Ranburne, Ala
                     1.1.7.6 Jackson H. (Jack) KILGORE
                                 b. ? Mar 1891
                     1.1.7.7 James Jethro KILGORE
                                 b. 19 Aug 1897
                                 d. 07 May 1966, Fulton Co.
                                     buried Antioch Baptist Church, Carrol Co., Ga
             1.1.8 James LORREN
             1.1.9 Elizabeth LORREN
             1.1.10 Thomas Shermon LORREN
                      b. 4 Feb 1863/65
                        d. 12 Sept 1928 Haralson, Ga
                             buried Philadephia Baptist Cemetery Calhoun Co., Ala
                        m. Sarah Ellen FORRESTER 30 Dec 1886 Haralson Co., Ga
                        b. 14 Dec 1865 Cherokee Co., NC
                        d. 18 Sept 1934 Calhoun Co., Ala
                        Notes:  appears on 1870, 1880 Cleburne Co., Ala Census and 1900 Polk
                                    County, Ala Census; Sarah was the dau of John Coleman Forrester
                                    and Martha "Louisa" HART
                        Children:
                        1.1.10.1 Pearlie LORREN
            1.1.11 Missouri LORREN (photo) (photo)
                       m. James Martin (J.M.) BARNES 15 Aug 1886 Cleburne Co., Ala
                       Notes:  Payne Daniel has a copy of the marriage license
                       Children:
                       1.1.11.1 Nancy Lou Vennie BARNES
                                    m. John Marion Luther LORREN (1.1.5.4.4 above) (1st cousin)
                                     Children:
                                     (see children under 1.1.5.1.4 above)
                                  2 Lyman BARNES  (by J.M's marriage to Cornelia VEAZEY)
                                  3 James C. BARNES (by J.M's marriage to Cornelia VEAZEY)
                                  4 Ida BARNES (by J.M's marriage to Cornelia VEAZEY)
                                  5 Sara BARNES (by J.M.'s marriage to Cornelia VEAZEY)
                                  6. Robert B. BARNES (by J.M.'s marriage to Cornelia VEAZEY)
            1.1.12  George S. LORREN
                        Note:  Listed as son on 1870 Census and 1 year old
     1.2 John LORREN/LAURIN
           m. ? GLASCOCK
     1.3 Jarncia/Jerusha LORREN/LAURIN
           b. Ala. 1822

Questions regarding the parentage of James B. Lorren (married Jerri Ann Knighten) came up during my correspondence regarding the parentage of James B. Lorren (married Jerri Ann Knighten) with Payne Daniels.  I am including a portion of that correspondence just in case someone out there can help resolve the issues.  The correspondence:

Payne Daniels asked: "Do you ignore the 1910 census that list James the son of George A. as being born in 1860-61, with the correct dates for his sibs? What is your reference for a DOB for the James Lorren that you have listed for George A. as 1854?"

My answer: "I don't have the 1910 census so I'm going on your review of it... so here are the lists as to how it would work...but first, I took James' (son of George A.) birth date from LDS birth record which contradicts the 1910 census...but ignoring that it leaves us with the following reasoning:

     1.  If the census has a James (son of George A. listed (and not to confuse George A. father
          and George L. son) living with father George in 1910 with a birth of abt. 1860 he would
          be living with dad at the age of abt. 60...that brings up the questions:

                i. why was James living with dad and not with wife Jerri (Annie) Knighten Lorren (who
                   was alive for the 1910 census) in their own home?
               ii.  LDS did not list any children for this James...and I do not know of any, this could
                   explain why James was still living with dad George A. at the 1910 census BUT we
                   know that our J.B. and Jerri Ann had at least 12 children by the 1910 census.
                   Were those children listed as a part of George A's household in the 1910 census?
                   The children would be (as given by J.B. Lorren's g-grandson):

                            1. Mary (Mollie) Lorren (b. 1881)
                            2.  George Lorren (b. 1884)
                            3.  James (Bill) Wright Lorren (b. 1885)
                            4.  Sarah Ellen Lorren (b. 1888)
                            5.  John Marion Luther (father to J.B. Lorren that gave me info) (b. 1890)
                            6.  Julia L. (Rosie) Lorren (b. 1896)
                            7.  Lula A. Lorren (b. 1896) (twin of Julia)
                            8.  Lillie Mae Lorren (b. 1899)
                            9.  Estellea Lorren (b. 1901)
                          10.  Louella Lorren (b. 1901) (twin of Estellea)
                          11.  Thomas (Tom) Lorren (b. 1904)
                          12.  Alex B. Lorren (b. 1907)

                   I don't know where J.B. and Jerri were living when the children were born other
                   than JB and Jerri married in 1875 in Esom Hill, GA...and the story infers JB and
                   Jerri were living in or near Esom...we need to check census records for that area
                   to locate (if possible) Jerri and JB...

     iii.  This James  (son of George A.) is listed in the 1870 census but not the 1860 census,
           which would be a conflict with LDS birth record of 1854 and a pro for James (son of
           George A.) being our J.B. Lorren.

     Problems:

     iv.  J.B. Lorren (the alive grandson of James B. and Jerri Knighten) stated his grandmother
           Jerri married her "half" brother...this would pose a conflict in that George A.'s son
           James would be Jerri's "uncle" - hard to confuse the two words...BUT, it could be
           possible since George A.'s son James would have been 3 yrs. old right after Jerri
           was born in 1863, and they could have grown up together and married.

     v.  The following is a verbatim email sent to me by Martha McFarland (daughter to living
          J.B.) (and also where I came across the other two names - John and Tom) and where
          I came up with the first *unknown to me* wife theory....Martha wrote:

                  "Attached is a picture of Julia Ann Pollard - born 3-20-1839 & died 08-06-1899
                  and John L. C. Lorren - not sure of date of birth (maybe 1847) died in 1931.  He
                  was married to an unknown woman before Julia Ann Pollard.  He had at least 4
                  children by this unknown woman: John, Tom, James Breckenridge (born
                  12-01-1860 died 10-12-1922), and Lubie. Lubie married James Barnes and
                  had a daughter Nancy Lou Vennie Barnes who later married John Marion Lorren
                 who was the son of Jerri Ann Elevelton Knighten and James Breckenridge Lorren.

                  John L.C. Lorren and Julia Ann Pollard were married after 1863 and had the
                  following children: Samuel Prathel Lorren, Carruth Lorren, James Tilton Lorren,
                  Haley Lorren, Warner Lorren, Mattie Lorren and Julie Lorren (NOTE: these
                  names were written in John and Julia's Family Bible; it is not clear
                  whether all these children were by Julia or by Martha as birth dates
                  were not listed.)

                  Prior to marrying John L. C. Lorren, Julia Ann Pollard married Jeremiah Knighten
                  on August 26, 1857.  Jeremiah Knighten was born 12-09-1828 and died
                  05-03-1863, Julia Ann Pollard and Jeremiah Knighten had the following known
                  children:

                              1.   Sarah A. Knighten
                              2.   Thomas Wright Knighten, and
                              3.   William Alex Knighten

                   Jeremiah's first wife was Julia Ann Pollard's sister - Mandy Pollard.  They had
                   one known child: John L. Knighten. (email from Martha Lorren Razer McFarlin,
                   daughter of J.B. Lorren and Mary Elizabeth Dixon Lorren)

                   MY NOTE (see Knighten page):
                                     Jeremiah Knighten
                                     m. #1 Amanda (Mandy) POLLARD m. 1849
                                               Children:
                                               1. John Littleton KNIGHTEN
                             2.  Malissa A. KNIGHTEN (m. Wesley GIBSON)
                             3  George Wright KNIGHTEN (b. 9 Apr 1852
                                     m. #2  Emily JACKSON 7 Feb 1856 Benton Co., AL
                                                (see marriage certificate transcription)
                                     m. #3  Julia Ann POLLARD B. 20 Mar 1838 D. 6 Aug 1899
                                                 m. 26 Aug 1857 in Cleburne Co., AL
                                                (see marraige certificate transcription)
                                                (see Pollard 1.1.4.10 Julia Ann POLLARD)

     vi.  If John L.C. Lorren was born (according to family) betw 1848/1850, he would have
          married Julia Pollard Knighten when he was 15/17 respectively...at that age we would
          have to assume that he married an unknown person and had the three children as
          written above; but, even having 3 children back to back, have unknown wife #1 die,
          and turn around and marry Julia would mean John L.C. would have had to marry this
          unknown first wife at abt. 10 or 12 yrs. old....ON THE OTHER HAND, if John L.C. was
          born in 1840 as LDS records state, then John L.C. would have been abt. 23 years
          old when he married Julia Pollard Knighten...and this would be enough time to
          marry and sire 3 to 5 children by an unknown first wife.

So, if the LDS records are accurate to birth for John L.C. then it is possible that:

     1.  John LC was born in 1840, married unknown, had four children,
          and then married Julia at 23 and it would be plausibe that  J.B. Lorren
          married *half* sister Jerri...Information backing this would be JB (living)'s
          family record as related above, LDS birth record for John L.C. as 1840,
          and to include the fact that we have not found any known descendents
          for the James living with George A. in 1910 census, but we do have children
          for Jerri and JB...so

Note 1: Polk County  Georgia Death Records 1951-1965 Georgia Court of Ordinary, Index to Death Certificates - Book B, for the years 1951 through 1965.

Note 2: Mildred Perry was kind enough to write me to relate the following information, "There were two Lula Lorrens, one born in 1898 and one born in 1903.  The 1898 Lula Lorren is the one who was the daughter of James Breckenridge Lorren who married Jerri Eveleton Knighten.  This Lula Lorren married my mother's brother, Monroe Thomason...and they had two children, Gladys Thomason Green and Joseph Robert Thomason.  Monroe and Lula lived at Esom Hill and after his tragic death at age 34, Lula lived in Cedartown until she married a Mr. Hindmon.  Following WWII, Joseph Robert Thomason moved to Puxico, Missouri and lived there until his death. Gladys Green lived in Cedartown, and Macon, Georgia where she died....Monroe's death was self-inflicted when he was drunk and playing with guns, which was one of his favorite pasttimes.  He was laughing and jesting, and placed a pistol in each ear while looking in a mirror, and the coroner's report says the guns went off accidentally.  I feel sure Monroe did not mean to kill himself.  To tell a very sad aspect of his death, my Mother, his sister, always felt that his wife, Lula, killed him.  Monroe was a sadistic, violent ignoramous and probably, as much as I hate to say it, got what he deserved.  He was brutal to his wife and children and my mother.  His death was no great loss, sad to relate.  Becky, I am sorry to regale you with such a sorry tale...."

Note 3: Jeffery Scott HOPPER (great grandson of Lillie Mae Lorren 1.1.5.1.8) contacted me May 27, 2002 and has graciously agreed to share his family information and research.  Jeff can be emailed at: venusring@earthlink.net.  He wrote: "Lillie Mae Lorren was my great grandmother.  I spent a great deal of my childhood at her house.  She told me many things about her family.  First of all, I would like to provide info on her husband.  His name was James Avery Alfred WADDELL....Her maternal grandmother lived with her family and died while she was still a child.  She named her Lillie Mae and always called her "'Sweet Lillie Mae"'....Her maternal grandfather was killed in the war between the states.  She said that "'the Yankees had stuffed a logging-chain into a cannon and fired it striking her grandfather at the knees amputating both legs.  He lived long enough to write his wife a letter."'  Her brother, Tommie, went out west and was murdered.  He was hit on the head."  Then in another email Jeff wrote: "My great-grandmother, Lillie Mae Lorren, was the daughter of James "Jim" Breckinridge Lorren and Jerry Ann "Annie" Knighten.  Her children were James E.J. WADDELL, my grandfather, and Avery R.C. WADDELL.  My grandfather passed away, but R.C. is still living....sorry to say she never mentioned her Lorren grandparents (that I recall).  She had told me that her father (Jim) worked as a blacksmith at times...."

Note 4:  According to Payne Daniel, "William Aaron Lorren was an elder in the church of Christ and a schoolteacher. His granddaughter, Janet Noah, states her grandfather was born on September 1, 1870 and died April 22, 1947.  He married Cathren Abney who was born on December 29, 1875 and died April 28, 1956.  There were eleven children all of whom had children except Virgil who died at the age of 2 or 3 years. Janet's grandfather told her that his grandfather or great-grandfather was French and married a Cherokee Indian Girl.  He told her that his family moved to Alabama from Missouri in a covered wagon when he was nine months old, to escape a typhoid outbreak. (While the movement from MO to AL is doubtless true, the French connection is probably a myth).   Toni Carolyn/Baswell/Tierce says that her grandmother was part Native American perhaps a Cherokee. They settled in Borden Springs, Ala.  When he was a young man he and his father built a one room school/church near Borden Springs, Alabama and he taught school during the week and preached on Sundays.  From Janet: "Granddaddy Lorren performed weddings during his preaching days.  At that time, the State of Alabama required marriage licenses but Georgia did not.   Since Borden Springs was about four miles from the Georgia line, many couples would pick up Granddaddy and drive across the state line.  They would get out of the car and he would marry them in the middle of the road.  Uncle Newton Lorren and Aunt Ruby were probably married in this way."


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