Individual symbols Idaho 4 a

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Some of the individual symbols hide cultural customs or important ideas of the time. Traders or others brought them and wrote in stone while they told what the meaning of the symbols was. In that way cultural influence was stored for eternity in many cases.

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"This way"

At SRV-rocks there are few humanlike sticky figures and the last figure in the row is from a cracked rock. These rock carvings are not from the same place as the lava boulders. The arrow is the syllable TI all over the world and it is the infinitive "to flow / outflow". For instance in Sumerian it reads "life". It could mean all synonyms we can find and as Randall sees the entire picture we can understand it from normal human behaviour and maybe add local customs.

"In the picture with the men and arrows I see that the first one had chose a direction to travel and the people follow, These locals indicated the penis to make the statement that they are great men, virile men, power men. The first man would be the PUH-HUH GANDE, The great medicine in that he has insight or wisdom of which others had chose to heed to. They never had chiefs, the eldest, wisest woman always called the shots in these peoples lives.
The men were prone to ego and brutality therefor their decisions were monitored by the female, the life giver, women were more concerned with family and the care of the little ones, therefor they kept the ego of the male in check.
For this picture to be left with an indication of direction tells me that they where leaving this to tell others who would be there that they chose to go in that direction, and it would be for war, hunting or trade because they follow the great man.
I always see this type of simple pictures which don't describe much of importance and surely are relatively new, Some choose to see in that type of figure, the salamander man of some other worldly vision. NO NO NO that is simply male genitalia of which they identified themselves as great, never is it the devil or the tail."



In Indus Script there are several dozens of sticky figures easy to cut in wood or carve in rock. In the Alp we also find many individualised sticky figures but the arms and legs are squared. The Egyptian vocabulary of humanlike figures is even bigger, but in a big culture they could afford to do much job on pictorial things. Sometimes it is difficult to see if it is a deity or archetype of everyday life. In Sumer and Egypt we see the difference they have put a star near the figure … see also below.

They have an attached attribute or something in hand that gives the meaning of the ideogram. The first Indus symbol could be a sitting woman as the triangle shaped head maybe indicates. The position is "birth giving" and depending on the connection it could be connected to known myth. In such case the stroke between the legs show her leaving the seed or giving birth.

"Working on metal"… in right upper corner seems to be an Indus glyph



The next with three tops is up to the main rule of 1,2,3 identical symbols and here we understand peaks in nature so it means "mountains". This symbol is very old and widely spread on earth. It has many other meanings since it could be the "original hill" as we see on the predynastic calendar motifs.

The dashed symbol means, "metal" and the merged SRV-symbol means "working on metal". Surely they have been searching for copper in Yellowstone and there should be meteorite iron too. We see the period of search for "the Lady" and "work in the fork" also in my province. In Egypt it was time of Hathor during inundation with colder weather in the otherwise hot mountains. Maybe they were driving the Bear out of the dent as code name in Yellowstone.

The oblong symbol with a stroke could be a kernel with germ. When we draw the stroke through it is Q that is the question glyph and in season it is "grow or not grow". They tell Mitra was born out of a rock and it should surely be understood as the germ in a grain since they sometimes picture it like this symbol.

The last glyph is very near the Indus glyph that is seen often on the seals, but with not good explanation yet.

Local trials but maybe influenced from the Old World

Near the middle the connected four circles and a wavy line below reminds of the cracked rock with the "urnship". It could also be compared with a detail on some seals in Mesopotamia where it clearly means "four quarters of the year". At right they maybe tried to merge symbols or write in cursive as they say.

At left are a couple of symbols that could be script. But like in Scandinavia we have a category of symbols we cannot connect to something known. The important categories are those we can compare with known symbols and even with the wholeness at the place.



I do not find any good interpreting to these yet. Three of them I compare with Indus Script and some others "I have seen somewhere, but where?" In Scandinavia we know the old language Old Norse and we can also expect that the West European languages have a common root in syllable in many words of the time. It has been possible to reconstruct some sentences in our rock carvings.

But I doubt it is worth while to try the same in this case since the samples are few and we do not know the language of the Indus Script neither the Indian tongue at the time. We can only interpret the ideogramatic symbols and try to understand the logic structure of the glyphs and symbols.

……The first deep symbol seems be a halberd. It is made deep and it is single in style on a rock with few carvings. But it could also be the early Phoenician RAS that means "totempole" in American Indian tradition. At least in Anatolia but also in Europe there was a period when they made stones with carved face and that represented the hero of the settlement. Maybe most of the place names with a god name are the last memory of those days. Maybe the symbol is just a note when they discussed that particular cultural concept

The other symbol shows something is happening under the cover, but the figure is too unclear and the rock seems cracked.


Both previous and next two symbols are very deep as if they deliberately wanted to point out them. The first looks like the Hittitian symbol AR, but that does not tell us much. Next is something very near the Egyptian bronze sickle.

We should be cautious in comparing with our time. Symbols like this we have plenty on Scandinavian rocks. They are not footprints since we do not know about using heels at that time and certainly not that large. In Scandinavian we compare with the Hittitian symbol for god and priest-king

In these cases we have to remember the proverb "One swallow does not make a summer". A few innovations were motifs in myths and we see some of them as novelties on the rocks. Maybe we should see marketing trick of the traders behind these.

The ornamented Spider Stone

Maybe it is a spider, maybe not. The artist have made it art symbolising the time. It was a time of novelties and new ideas local people had to sort out. We see the same kind of chaotic art in some other places when many changes in society have been going on.


Lastly a couple of examples showing merged figures. It is surely trials in making their own cursive by merging symbols to meaning. We see the same in my province besides the intelligible strings of glyphs, symbols and ideograms. . Sometimes when I am in the mood I can understand some of it as text.

They surely understood them as long as local people kept the memory alive. It is the normal method of manifesting important details as base for the folk memory

Kachina type idol

I get associations to the kachina idols we still today see in the Indian cultures in South USA. Naturally there has been cultural interchange southward as well as eastward. I have mentioned the idols from the myths and celestial sphere that are the same in America as in the Old World. In the long time span they have been modified to fit local conditions in the particular tribes.

Tribes living on what nature gives have mostly fewer idols than the tribes with agriculture plus some hunting and gathering. In city cultures they created a pantheon as mirror of the society with many functions and hierarchies. The rural myths fade out and instead the problem of living together inside the city walls affected the myths about quarrel and power struggle between gods. Nowadays we have Dynasty, Falcon Crest and the Ewings. For the rural tribes it is enough with the Great Spirit, while rich people want kings and hierarchy as organisation in society and in the pantheon.

Mountain-goat-hunters in Hells Canyon downstream at Snake River

………… there are no clear humanised figures on the lava boulders at Snake River. But in Hells Canyon we find horned figures and mountain goats. From later times we know that the Nez Perce Indians dwelled there in winter and maybe they were in Yellowstone in summer. Note that they are made on a high vertical cliff. How did they do them … "hang in one arm maybe"?

We have to remember that the figures they used in ancient script are archetypes and idols and not necessary even priest or ritual officials in some guise. In Scandinavian rock carvings the humanised figures have often bird head and perhaps because they wanted to show they are not real. I cannot see that horned figures in Idaho should be more primitive than those in India, Mesopotamia, Egypt or Europe. It was just a world-wide fashion at a time. I think it is good to know that America was part of the global society those days.

I know from my twenty years of research that the early generations saw for instance Scandinavia as isolated and unique. Now that I have studied many ancient cultures I see that there have been much trade and cultural influence all over the world the past 6000 years. My method is much to find what unite people in the world. If we want to see there are plenty of signs of global brotherhood.

As said, interpreting would never be exact science. There are too many uncertain elements involved. This is another small step forward that uncovers a few facts of the pacts. It shows that seemingly uneducated ancestors were able to the same level of analysing and abstract thinking as some of us are. We can not expect all people in any time being interested in deep thinking. It is hard work.

I feel that my investigations are only in the beginning and raise more questions than answers. I hope that the archaeologist will join me in searching for real evidence in artefact to complete these finds. Naturally Randall Hale should have al credit for discovering that the tiny symbols are more than "scribble on the rocks". Without his enthusiasm we would not have been this far by now.

They tell that they have made thousands of bettering on Volvo through the years. It will never be finished and some of it is just marketing talk. Our politicians make reforms without ends and in fact they often reject their own "inventions" after a time. We are not the perfect in our time ... sorry for telling the truth. However the main and sustainable question will always be, "Will humankind survive another thousand years?"

I have not been writing about the first Americans, nor about the first to discover America, but

Sorry Columbus, that got you were the latecomer