Lilly Records in England
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Lilly Records in England
John Lilly I
born ca. 1607 in England, died between 1642 and 1646
1607 John Lilly was born about 1607 according to
this deposition where he stated that he was aged 30. We are
indebted to the
habit in the early colonies of requiring someone who was giving
evidence to state their age. But the exact date is unclear. See a
complete discussion of this
important piece of evidence. February 1639 Deposition referring
to the ship, Elizabeth.
He may have come to the colonies about 1637. His exact year of birth is
not clear in these records, but I think that we can be pretty sure he
said he was born between 1607 and 1609. Now, when he was actually born
might not be when he said.
1642
John Lylley
patent for 350 acres in what was Kingston Parish, after 1651, part
of Gloucester
County, 350 acres.
In 1791, this became part of Mathews County. John received a grant of land
for bringing himself,
his wife and servants to the colonies. Therefore, he had married
before he came to the colonies. His son, John, named in his estate
records, must have been born in Virginia. If he had been born
before they
came, his father could have applied for additional land on that basis.
We can assume that his father would not have passed up a
chance
for more land. Since he probaby arrived around 1637, he
married
before this date in England.
Cavaliers
and
Pioneers, Volume 1, page 132: dated 20 June 1642.
John Lylley 350 acres
on the SW side of Milford Haven being a neck of land near the land of
Peter Rigby and Edward Peirsifull. Headrights: For the transfer of
himself, wife, and 5 servants: William __; Thomas Stoole (or Steele),
John Leake, Eliza __, Ellen Browne.
Our
Search
So we are looking in England for a John Lilly or
Lilley or Lylley etc, who was born between 1607 and 1609 in
England, left England
for America
sometime around 1637, and married in England. He probably married
a Mary Moulson.
See Moulson-Lilly-Reade
for more on
this.
I need to point out here that we
do not know if any of the following records refer to OUR John Lilly.
I am simply gathering information in one place so that we can
analyze it. But I confess, I like this first one. This
John would have been aged 30 in 1639. The database is not specific
about what records from this church survived.
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, All Hallows, Tottenham,
Composite register: baptisms 1557 - 1625, marriages 1558 - 1625,
burials 1558 - 1619, DRO/015/A/01, Item 001.
Ancestry.com. London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials,
1538-1812 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations,
Inc., 2010.
Original data: Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1812. London,
England: London Metropolitan Archives.
All
Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex County, Haringey Borough Parish Register
Elizabeth Lilly, daughter of John
Lilly, Christened 3 August 1600
Edward Lilly son of John Lilly,
Christened 6 January 1604/5
Jane Lilly, daughter of John
Lilly Christened January 1606/7, [indexed as John but clearly
Jane.]
Roger Lilly, son of John Lilly
Christened 19 Sept 1606
John Lilly, son of John Lilly
Christened 18 December 1608
Additional Lilly records from the All Hallows church.
Ayles Lilly Christening 21 Feb 1564 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
John Lilly Christening 18 May 1566 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
Thomas Lilly Christening 26 Dec 1586 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
James Lilly Christening 9 Jun 1588 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
Elizabeth Lilly Christening 22 Mar 1589 All Hallows, Tottenham,
Middlesex Roger Lilly
Jane Lilly Christening 22 Jul 1593 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
Roger Lilly Christening 8 Jul 1599 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
Elizabeth Lilly Christening 3 Aug 1600 All Hallows, Tottenham,
Middlesex John Lilly
Lyonell Lilly Christening 13 Mar 1600 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
Roger Lilly Christening 19 Sep 1602 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
John Lilly
Edward Lilly Christening 22 Apr 1604 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Roger Lilly
Edward Lilly Christening 6 Jan 1604 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
John Lilly
Jane Lilly Christening 1 Jan 1606 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
John Lilly
John Lilly Christening 18 Dec 1608 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
John Lilly
John Lilly Christening 10 Jan 1640 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Johonnes Lillie,
Joan Lillie
William Lilly Christening 28 May 1758 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Thomas Lilly,
Ann Lilly
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Christopher Lilly Burial 14 Dec 1563 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Alice Lilly Burial Feb 1564 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Jone Lilly Burial Feb 1585 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex Spouse
Roger Lilly
Elizabeth Lilly Burial 9 Apr 1601 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
parent Roger
Elizabeth Lilly Burial 24 Nov 1603 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
parent John
Roger Lilly Burial 25 Jul 1603 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex parent
John
Thomas Lilly Burial 1 Nov 1603 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex spouse
Roger
Roger Lilly Burial 16 Nov 1607 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Lyonell Lilly Burial 31 Oct 1608 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
spouse Roger
Roger Lilly Burial 31 Oct 1608 All Hallows, Tottenham, Borough:
Haringey Middlesex parents Roger Parish Register
John Lilly Burial 26 Mar 1652 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Thomas Lilly Burial 22 May 1671 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Agnes Lilly Burial 24 Jan 1740 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Lilly Burial 13 Jul 1741 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
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Ayles Lilly Marriage Feb 1594 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex Henry
Goodwyn
John Lilly Marriage 4 Oct 1597 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex Anne
Ingeram
Elizabeth Lilly Marriage 19 May 1608 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Thomas Eliott
James Lilly Marriage 29 Mar 1608 All Hallows, Tottenham, Middlesex
Elizabeth Day
More marriages after 1649.
Source Citation: West Yorkshire Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire,
England; Yorkshire Parish Records; Old Reference Number: 40D901/1/1.
Ancestry.com. West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials,
1512-1812 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations,
Inc., 2011.
John
Lilly Christened 9 May 1610, Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
[Note: No
parent listed. Register says John Lilly of _____ I can't read the
place.]
We are indebted to
Libbie Griffin <[email protected]> for the following set
of Lilly in England records. She was visiting in England and took
some of her precious time to send us this. She says that all of this is
from the Lincolnshire Archives.
Lincolnshire
Spalding,
England parish
register:
Several Lilly marriages
Pinchbeck, England parish register: One marriage Moulson/Malson: Joane Malson m. Robert Dercy, 1593
Spalding church building dates from the 1200s.
Pinchbeck is 2.25 miles north of Spalding! Boston is about ten miles north.
A History of Spalding by E.H. Gooch, publ. The Spalding Free Press Co. Ltd., Spalding, 1940
Good historical survey, lists his sources. Would be very valuable for describing events around them in a book.
My quick review didn’t turn up Lilly names in the 16th century or early 17th.
By 1800s William and Robert Lilly were gentlemen; living in Lincolnshire, perhaps in Boston; not Spalding.
A handwritten transcription of Spalding Parish Records beginning 1650:
Christenings:
Aug 25 1650: John son of John Lilly
Nov. 17 1650: Matthew son of Matthew Lilly
Oct 3, 1652: Bridget, the daughter of Matthew Lilly, cooper
Oct 30, 1652: Margaret the daughter of John Lilly
Jan 20 1652: John son of John Lilly, laborer
Feb 24 1652: “John the son of Robert Meaddows (sic), cooper”
I
stopped after the first few pages; archivist gave me the original
Spalding Parish Register from 1538 to 1670 to read. Needle in haystack
time. But I should find out if the Mormon’s have this on
microfilm and take time to read it.
“The Index Library, General
Editor Sydney J. Madge. Calendar of Administrations in the
Consistory Court of Lincoln, A.D. 1540 – 1659, edited by C.W.
Foster, M.A., F.S.A., canon of Lincoln and Vicar of Timberland.
“London: Issued to the subscribers by” The British Record Society,
Limited, 1921 lists these Lillys and
Moulsons:
“Moulson,
Mauleson, Mourson, Thomas, laborer, Benington in Holland [this region
of Lincolnshire is called Holland] (date) 1611:Aix, 44; B I, 287
Lillie, Edward, yeoman, Broxholm, 1628: B 115
Lillie, Lilie, George, Huttoft, 1610: Aix, 22
Lillie, William, gent. Grimsby, 1620, B, 30 [Grimsby is not far from Boston]
Lillie, Zachary, yeoman, North Scarle, 1616: Axi (sic) 399, BI 241
Lillie Mumby [a surname] als, see Mumby; under Mumby it refers to Mumby als. Lillie, Anne, widow, Brocklesby, 1621, BI, 48
The
Index Library, General Editor Sydney J. Madge. Calendars of Lincoln
Wills, Vol. I, 1320-1600; Issued to the subscribers by” The British
Record Society, Limited, 1921
Lille: Jo., Horncastle, 1557 iv, 64
Lille: Jo, Thornton, 1582, 68
Lille: Rd., Gosberton, 1557 iv, 38
Lille: Tho., Gosberkirk, 1557-72, 63
Lille, Lyll, Tho., Mumby, 1582, 67
Lillie, Bart. Minting, 1580, ii, 252
Lillie, Edw, Dunston, 1566, &c, 160
Lillie, Edw, Potter Hanworth, 1594 ii, 116
Lillie, Jenett, Mareham, 1571 ii, 61
Lillie, John, Bassingham, 1541-3, 272
Lillie, Jo., Gosberton, 1593, 274
Lillie, Margt., Skellingthorpe, 1574, 206
Lillie, Margt., Pinchbeck, 1565, 132
Lillie, Pet., Potter Hanworth, 1577, ii, 337
Lillie, Rd., Saltfleetby, 1571, ii 37
Lillie, Rob., Torksey, 1545-6, ii 15
Lillie, Tho., Washingboro, 1596, 150
Lillies, Rd., Ashby, ii, 95
Book says “see also
Lyles”
Only Lyles is Rd., Brocklesbye, 1579, 32
The Index Library, General Editor, T.M. Blagg, F.S.A.
Calendars of Lincoln Wills
Vol. II. 1601-1652
edited by C.W. Foster, M.A., F.S.A., canon of Lincoln and Vicar of Timberland.
Issued by the British Record Society, Limited, 1910,
Some wills listed under surname spelled Lill; I skipped those.
Lilly
(sic) all of the following. Order is first name, parish or village,
year the estate was active in court, page number of the record book.
Edw., Leake, 1624-5, 136
Edw., Broxholme, 1628 i, 244
“(? Lely), Hy., Ashwell, Herts., 1618, I, 11
Pet., clerk, curate of Owersby, 1651, 374
Rd., Morton I par of Gainsborough, 1611 ii 59
Rd., N. Willingham, 1624-5, 98
Rob., Metheringham, 1641, 59
Tho. Digby, 1610, 255
Wm., gent., Hykam, 1624, 99
Wm. No. Willingham, 1649, 295
No Liles or Lylly in this book
I was interested to find the Meadows name here because of the closeness of Robert Lilly’s family to a Meadows family.
Resources
to be aware of: Phillimore Marriages (index of very early Lincolnshire
marriages)
http://ukga.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=loadDB&DB=8
Book:
Index of Acts of Administration in
the Prerogative Court of
Canterbury 1649-1654 (Acts of Administration)
Collection: England: Canterbury -
Administrations in The Prerogative
Court of Canterbury, 1649-1654
There are a number of John
Lilly's in the probate records. They seem to be the wrong place.
However: This is a maybe. It could be dated a few years
after he died.
Lilly,
John, died overseas 1650 23
Just in case Mary does not turn
out to be a Moulson or she had been married before to a Chapman:
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, St Gregory by St Paul,
Composite register: baptisms 1652 - 1686/7, marriages 1636 - 1640 and
1650/1 - 1687, burials 1660 - 1687, P69/GRE/A/003/MS10233
John
Lilly married 18 May 1637, Mary Chapman, St Gregory by St Paul Parish,
City of London Borough.
Source Citation:
West Yorkshire
Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire, England; Yorkshire Parish
Records; New Reference Number: RDP48/1/1. [Could this be his father?]
Ancestry.com. West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials,
1512-1812 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations,
Inc., 2011.
Just in case we are looking for a
father for John Lilly I.
John
Lilly married 11 November 1602, Eleinor Dolby at Kirk Deighton, All
Saints
Probably a Myth but possibly Fact?
I do not know the parents of John Lilly I.
Ancestral File: John
Lilly, married Isabele
Dorlaston, had two children, William Lilly, Christened 1 April 1604,
and John Lily. This John Lilly [jr] married a Margaret [sic]
Moulsen,
and was the progenitor of the John Lilly of Virginia family.
According to Julius Whiting Lilly who has a low reliabilty rating:
“John Lysley and
Isabell Dorlaston were married Nov 24, 1599, they had two sons:
William was baptised January 11, 1600
John was baptised April 1,
1604…”
– citing “The English
Parish Register of Tamworth, County of Staffordshire”
As far as I know the first person
to publish this
was Julius Whiting Lilly. Unfortunately, he has taken so many liberties
with facts that I cannot think that this is of any use at all. If
someone can find an actual record of this send it to me.
Otherwise, I will consider it one of his myths or errors,
whatever you prefer to call it.
There is in fact a record of the
24 November 1599 marriage of Isabele Dorlaston to John Lysley at
Tamworth, Staffordshire. This is on FamilySearch.org extracted
records, batch number M01006-2. I can't find the birth records in this
database although it may be there. It is time consuming to
search. It is not there with the spelling of Lilly or Lysley.
I don't know what to think about this.
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