Halsey-Wade
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Halsey-Halsby-Wade
Research in English Churches
On this page:
St.
Alphage Church, London Wall, London, marriage of Armiger and Dorothy
St. Andrews Church, Undershaft,
London, Christening of Dorothy Halsey
Saint Martin in the Fields
Church, Westminister, London, Christening of children of Armiger
Lilly
Family of Robert Halsey from
Burke's Peerage
Connections?
The Watch
Links:
Maulson-Reade
Problem
Lilly
Records of York and Gloucester Counties
Armiger Wade
Since we know
that Armiger Wade and his wife were living in London in the 1630s and
1640s, I thought you might like to see this. The Great Fire of
London was in 1666 which was after our Lilly and Wade families had
moved to the colonies. This is a 3S Representation of what London
looked like in the time that they lived there before the Great Fire
which was in 1666. This takes you right back to what it looked like
then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPY-hr-8-M0&feature=youtu.be
St.
Alphage Church, London Wall Parish, London
London,
England, Baptisms, Marriages
and Burials, 1538-1812 London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and
Burials, 1538-1812
available on Ancestry.com [paid site for English Records]
We are interested in this church because it is where Armiger Wade and
his wife, Dorothy, were married in 1639.
Note: If you go to
Ancestry.com to look this up in the London Records, you will find the
same marriage in 1638 and 1639. This is a result of
the transcriber looking at the top of the page which reads 1638.
About half way down the page, there is a line and the year 1639
is written. 1639 is the correct date.
London,
England, Baptisms, Marriages
and Burials, 1538-1812 London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and
Burials, 1538-1812
available on Ancestry.com [paid site]
St.
Alphage Church, London Wall Parish, London
The church is situated on London Wall. Remnants still exist.
Google St. Alphage London Wall for more information about it.
10 November 1639, Armiger Wade married Dorothie Halsby.
They are on
the third line.
Her name was transcribed as Halsby, but I believe it should have
been
Halsey. I have checked the church records on Ancestry for Halsey
and Halsby records. There are no Halsby in many years of records
but there were a number of Halsey records. That makes it more likely
that her name was actually Halsey.
There are only four Halsey Records in the 1600s in this church.
All of the
rest of the Halsey records are from the early 1700s.
Anne Halsey Burial 20 Sep 1630 St
Alphage London Wall, London
Mr James Halsey
Burial 12 Mar 1640 St Alphage London Wall, London
Dorothie Halsby
[Dorothie Halsey] Marriage 10 Nov 1639 St Alphage London Wall,
London Armiger Wade
Christopher Halsey
Marriage 26 Mar 1643 St Alphage London Wall, London Margritt Evans
There are also several Wade Records in this church in the 1600s:
Thomas Wade Christening 6 May 1626
St Alphage London Wall, London s/o Thomas Wade, Elizabeth Wade
Sarah Hade [Sarah
Wade] ? Marriage 29 Jun 1637 St Alphage London Wall, London Wm Rawling
Armiger Wade Marriage
10 Nov 1639 St Alphage London Wall, London Dorothie Halsby
William Wade Marriage
2 Jan 1642 St Alphage London Wall, London Joyce Steevens
Elizabeth Wade
Marriage 18 Dec 1673 St Alphage London Wall, London John Widdoson
I wonder if the Sarah and William Wade who married about the same
time as Armiger in this church are his siblings?
St.
Andrew Church, Undershaft, London, England
Lou Poole forwarded
the following which looks like it might be the
Dorothy we are looking for. She was born
in 1615 which is about what we would expect. This is a different
church, but still in London.
"England Births
and Christenings, 1538-1975" Database on FamilySearch.org [Free site]
St. Andrew Church, Undershaft, London, England
30
April 1615 Doritie Halsie Christened, daughter of Duncun Halsie.
Batch number C00496-2, FHL
microfilm number, 374408, 374409
Christenings in the same database and same church: [No marriages for this church in their
database as yet.]
Doritie Halsie: Christened
30 April 1615, daughter of Duncun
Marie Halsie Christening: 19 Jan
1616
parents: Duncome Halsie
Jo. Or John
Halsie Christening: 10 May 1618 parents: Doncome Halsie, Ellin
Suzanna
Halsie Christening: 03 Jun 1619 death: 06 Jun 1619 parents:
Doncome Halsie, Ellin
William Halsie Christening: 24
Aug 1620 parents: Doncome Halsie, Ellin
Jeames Halsie [male] Christening:
19 May 1622 parents: Doncome Halsie, Ellin
Anne
Halsey Christening 24 Jun 1623 parents:Duncomb Halsey, Helen
Elisabeth
Halsey Christening 25 Jul 1624; death: 15 Jun 1626 parents:
Duncomb Halsey, Helen
Edward Halsey Christening 05 Nov 1626 parents: Duncomb
Halsey, Hellen
Also
with different parents:
Franncis Halsie [male]Christening 26
September 1616 Parents: John
Halsie and Ann
Robart Haddelsey Christening: 06
Oct 1668 parents: Robart Haddelsey, Mary
William Halsey Christening 25 Apr
1629 parents:William Halsey, Anne
The following records are in the same church:
Adam
Wade Christening: 19 Jan 1616 death: 02 Sep 1618 parents:Thomas
Wade
Elizabeth Wade Christening: 07 Feb
1618 death: 11 Jun 1620
parents:Thomas Wade, Ellin
John Wade Christening: 21 Apr 1622
death: 20 Sep 1625 parents:Thomas
Wade, Ellin
I wonder if this is the same Thomas Wade who left records in the
St. Alphage Church
Saint Martin in the Fields in Westminister, London, the
County of Middlesex,
A Register of Baptisms, Marriages and
Burials in Saint Martin in the Fields in the County of Middlesex,
Westminster, London, England 1550-1619 Available in e-book
format at http://archive.org/details/registerofbaptis00stma There are additional Wades in this
register.
Internet Resource refers to a volume II of this but it is not in
Worldcat so perhaps it was published in a periodial.
The records of Saint Martin in the Fields Church have been transcribed
on FamilySearch.org. They are in Batch no. C00145-2. C stands for Christenings and M
[M00145-2] stands for marriages in the same church. M00145-1 is also
marriages from this church. The church is a very old Anglican Church
which still survives on the northeast corner of Trafalger Square in
Westminster, London. You can find information and pictures of it on
Wikipedia.com
Marriage Records for this
church exist from 1550. However, 1637-1756 are missing according to the
notes. This does not agree with the catalog record, nor does it agree
with the following so I don't know if
it is correct.
Susanna Wade, Christened 20 June 1641, at Saint Martin in the Fields,
Westminister,
London, England, daughter of Armigeri and Dorothea Wade.
Armiger Wade,
Christened 30 June 1642, at Saint Martin in the Fields, Westminister,
London, England, son of Armigeri and Dorotheae Wade.
There
are other Wade families in this church in the 1600s. The following Wade
children were Christened there:
Maria
Wade birth: 24 Sep 1669 Christening: 28 Sep 1669 parents:Joannis
Wade, Elizabethae
Elisabetha Wade birth: 29 Dec 1666
Christening: 15 Jan 1666 parents:Johannis Wade, Elisabethae
Elisabetha Wade birth: 21 Mar 1665
Christening: 25 Mar 1666 parents:Guilielmi Wade, Annae
Johanes Wade birth: 11 Mar 1661
Christening: 16 Mar 1661 parents:Johanis Wade, Elizabethae
Joannes Wade birth: 16 Oct 1670
Christening: 20 Oct 1670 parents:Joannis Wade, Elizabethae
Margareta Wade Christening: 1 Nov 1637
parents:Francisci Wade, Kathenae
Wm Wade Christening: 11 Dec 1640
parents:Wmi Wade, Annae
Guilielmus Wade birth: 21 Dec 1671
Christening: 03 Jan 1671 parents:Anthonij Wade, Franciscae
Sarah Wade Christening: 07 Aug 1638
parents: Chri Wade, Joannae
Jana Wade birth: 28 Sep 1668
Christening: 04 Oct 1668 parents:Joannis Wade, Elizabethae
Marriage:
Fra'Ciscus
Wade married 9 August 1580 Helen Tomlynson
Edward
Wade married Anna Goodman 9 April 1610
Abagall Wade married John Whorwood 29 December 1613
Francisc Wade married Katherine Filpot 24 June 1636
I would expect that some of these
people
would be related, but I am not sure how. The children are too young to
be of interest, but William, Christopher, and Francis Wade could
be his contemporaries and might be siblings or cousins.
Also the Halsey records in the same Church.
[no
first name] Halsey birth: 27 Oct 1680 death: 27 Oct 1680 parents:
Richard Halsey
Elizabetha Halsey birth: 14 Jan 1669
Christening: 30 Jan 1669 parents: Joannis Halsey, Annae
Burke
Peerage
Family of Robert Halsey
Including Duncombe Halsey
http://www.thepeerage.com/p42952.htm
The sources for the following
information is from this site. The sources on the site are
given as: See numbers in ( )
- Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage,
Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington,
Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003),
volume 2, page 1737. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and
Baronetage, 107th edition.
- Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and
Baronetage, 107th edition.
Robert Halsey(1) b.
circa 1552, d. circa 9 October 1618
Robert Halsey
was born circa 1552.(1) He was the son of William Halsey and Ann
(?).(2)
He married Dorothy Downes, daughter of William Downes, circa
1573.(1) He died circa 9 October 1618.(1) He was buried on 12
October 1618.(1)
He lived at Great Gaddesden, Hertfordshire,
England.(1) He also had three younger daughters (who all died young
and/or unmarried).
Children of Robert Halsey and Dorothy
Downes
1. Jane Halsey (2) b. c 1574
2. William Halsey (2)
b. 13 Jan 1575/76, d. Nov 1637
3. Duncombe Halsey (2)
b. 30 Nov 1579, d. b 1627/28, married Ellin [Note: Appears as Elin and
Helen?]
4. Joan Halsey (2)
b. 10 Sep 1581
5. Mary Halsey (2)
b. 16 Nov 1582
6. Sarah Halsey (2) b.
27 Aug 1584
7. Amy Halsey (2)
b. c 1586
8. Anne Halsey (2)
b. 20 Sep 1587
9. John Halsey (2)
b. c 1588, d. 1618
10. James Halsey (2)
b. c 1590, d. 1640
11. Thomas Halsey (2)
b. 2 Jan 1591/92, d. b 1633
12. Edward Halsey (2)
b. 31 Dec 1592
Halsey - Wade Theory
If Armiger and Dorothy had both been born in one
church
and married there and had children there, this would be much
simpler. What I have tried to do is find connections between the
three churches they left records in. As it happens, there are
some possible connections. In fact, there are enough connections that I
am comfortable saying that Dorothy Halsby is the
same person as Dorothy Halsey.
It appears that Duncombe
Halsey and his wife, Ellin or Helen, had nine children Christened in
St. Andrews in London. The first child was Dorothy Christened in
1615 and the last one was Edward, Christened in 1626. The Burke Peerage
Site says that Duncombe died ca. 1626/7. After his death, his
family disappeared from St. Andrews Church. It makes sense that the
family or at least some of the children might have gone to live
with relatives.
I don't know for sure where
all of the family went, but Dorothy may have gone to live with her
uncle, James Halsey, and his wife, Joanna. James is listed on the
Burke's Peerage site as Duncan's younger brother, with the information
that he died in 1640.
Child number 10. James
Halsey born ca. 1590, died 1640
And in the records of St. Alphage, where Dorothy married, we find a
James Halsey who died then.
Mr James Halsey Burial 12
Mar 1640/1 St Alphage London Wall, London
In St.
Andrews where Dorothy was Christened, her sister Anne Halsey was
Christened
24 Jun 1623 parents: Duncomb Halsey, Helen
This death record could be
for Dorothy's sister: Anne Halsey Burial 20 Sep 1630 St Alphage
London Wall, London.
After Armiger and Dorothy
married they attended Saint Martin in the Fields Church. The previous
churches were full of Halseys, but here in this church we find few
Halseys and many Wades. Could it be that they moved to his family
church at that time? I am still investigating this possibility.
I have so far found no evidence
of a birth or a Christening for Armiger Wade. Unfortunately, there are
about a
dozen Wade entries in church records of about the right time period
where no
first name is given. So without a date of birth or a place of
birth, we may never find him. I also tried searching for an
Edward Wade, since a lot of people think, on no evidence, that he is
related to Armiger. There are too many to even guess which one he was.
If anyone else has more details from the English churches, please let
me know.
Halsey in America
The marriage record clearly says
Halsby. The reason that I think she was more
likely a Halsey is
that the church she was born in had a lot of Halsey entries and the
only Halsby entry is for Dorothy. So I suspect a clerical error or a
mishearing.
This site has about
every Halsey bit of
information in our corner of Virginia. Note also that Armiger Wade was
the administrator of the estate of Robert Halsey. I have not yet
identified this Robert Halsey. But he might have been a relative. I did
a search for a Robert Halsey in the church records and there are so
many I can't begin to guess which one he would have been. It does indicate that Armiger Wade was in Virginia by 1647.
http://spotisadog.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/early-virginia-halseys-from-1635-to-1800/
York County Wills and Administrations (1633-1811) p. 327.
Halsey, Robert. Adms. bond rec. 25 Jan. 1647.
Wills, [Orders], & Deeds [Records No. 2], 1645-1649 (Reel 1 a)
“Armiger Wade to have admr of est of Robt Halsey, dec’d.”
Theories
on Possible Wade Ancestry
The
Wade family is an important one. Consequently, much has been
written about it. Unfortunately, these books have no sources.
They simply guess from the name that Armiger was descended from
Armigell Wade, father of William Wade. Lou Poole sent me the
following comments. Neither Lou nor myself can prove or
disprove the following connections. I am always suspicious of
ancestry that is too important.
Armiger (or Arminger) Wade of
York County, Virginia is, for now, the progenitor of our Wade family.
It is estimated that he was born about 1615, in England. Hints of his
possible ancestors can be found in two of the more reputable
second-source publications, e.g.,
Tyler,
Lyon Gardiner, Encyclopedia of
Virginia Biography, Volume 1, p. 348.
“Wade, Amiger, believed to
have been descended from Armingall Wade, of Bellsize, near Hampstead,
England, who was father of Sir William Wade, frequently mentioned in
the progress of James I, and of whom there is a curious and interesting
history in ‘Parke’s History of Hampstead.’ He was a
justice of York county and burgess in 1656. His will was proved 24
April 1677. Issue: 1. Armiger. 2. Mary married Captain John Hay. 3.
Dorothy married John Lilly.”
… and …
Garber,
Mrs. Virginia Armistead, The
Armistead Family, 1635-1910, p. 214.
“Armigall Wade, Esq., of Bellsize
Park, Hampstead, England, was the father of Sir William Wade, prominent
at the time of Elizabeth [Queen Elizabeth I] and James 1st.
Park’s history of the family contains an account of the family.
Armiger Wade is said to have been descendant of Sir Armigall Wade of
Bellsize, near Hampstead, England. (See Hayden, 571, and William and Mary Quarterly, Vol.
II, p. 161.) The will of Armiger Wade was proved 13 August 1708a.”
The reader should notice that we are
declared to be descendants of a notable family with no evidence
whatsoever to make that connection, except the commonality of a name.
If the above statements were known to be true, then the authors would
provide the connectivity or information as to how they are related.
Sir William Wade, mentioned above, was a very interesting historical
character. He is the subject of a book by Fiona Bengtsen titled Sir William Waad, Lieutenant of the Tower,
and the Gunpowder Plot. Unfortunately, the book is an historical
account, and not a genealogical work. The will of 1798 was that of
Armiger Wade junior, son of Armiger Wade senior and Dorothy Halsey.
For a brief synopsis of Sir
William Wade, the following excerpt from the Sawston Village History
Society is quoted:
“Towards the end of the reign of Elizabeth 1
there were numerous plots against her; perhaps the most notorious being
the Essex Plot of 1601. William Waad, in his capacity of Lieutenant of
the Tower of London, was the official investigator. He was required to
find out everything about the plotters and what they were plotting.
Needless to say, this entailed the application of various devices to
help with the extraction of such information from people who found
themselves detained at the Tower.
“William Waad was a devout Protestant and enjoyed the patronage
of the powerful Cecil family. He had a hatred of Catholics, presumably
because his cousin, Richard Waad/Ward was burnt during the reign of the
Catholic Queen Mary in 1555, when William was about nine. Like his
father, he was appointed Clerk to the Privy Council during the later
years of Queen Elizabeth’s reign and then James 1. His career as
an intelligence gatherer blossomed under the patronage of William
Cecil, later Lord Burghley. Did he ever say, ‘the name is Waad,
William Waad!’
“An important coup was his involvement in the provision of the
fatal evidence against Mary Queen of Scots, which resulted in her
execution in 1587. The chief intelligence gatherer was Lord Walsingham
(W?) who set up what could be called a spy network, ably assisted by
Waad. It was Waad who raided Mary’s bedroom, while she was called
away on a pretext, and found numerous incriminating coded letters which
were quickly deciphered. Mary’s fate was then sealed.
“An intriguing gift made to Waad was a large rhinoceros horn, in
1581, following his visit to Portugal as an ambassador. He married his
second wife, Anne Brown in about 1598, some nine years after the death
of his first wife. This was 2 years after the birth of their first
child, and was followed by 14 more. Did the horn play a part in this
fecundity?
“William Waad was responsible for the
interrogation of the gunpowder plotters in November 1605 and was
present at the interrogation of Guy Fawkes, amongst others. Another
unfortunate was Nicholas Owen, famous for his expertise in the
construction of priest holes; the one at Sawston Hall being the most
well known example. Owen was asked to divulge the whereabouts of the
priest holes he had constructed at various Catholic houses but he
steadfastly refused and died horribly under torture. It is not known if
Henry Huddleston was interrogated by Waad for his possible involvement
in the Plot, as Nicholas Owen had previously visited Sawston Hall to
construct the priest hole. We know Huddleston had to pay a hefty fine
and had his Essex estates confiscated. As he had escaped being executed
it has been suggested that he may possibly have had a hand in betraying
the plotters.
“Waad retired to his house,
Battles Hall, Manuden (north of Bishops Stortford) and carried out work
locally as a JP. He died in 1623. His rhino horn can still be seen in
the Tower of London and he has a monument in the church at
Manuden.”
The same William Wade was one of the
charter members of the Virginia Company re-sponsible for the colonizing
of Virginia:
[From a MS.
record book, in the Register's-Office of Virginia.
−−− Book No. 2, pa. 1.]
“Articles, Instructions and
Orders made, sett down and established by us, twentieth day of
November, in the year of our raigne of England, France, and Ireland the
fourth and of Scotland the fortieth, for the good Order and Government
of the two several Colonies and Plantations to be made by our loving
subject, in the Country commonly called Virginia and America, between
thirty-four and forty five degrees from the oequinoctial line.
Hening, William Waller, Statutes At
Large, Vol. 1, p. 67.
“WHERAS wee, by our letters pattents under our great seale of
England, bearing date att Westminster, the tenth day of Aprill, in the
year of our raigne of England, France and Ireland the fourth, and of
Scotland the 39th have given lycence to sundry our loving subject named
in the said letters pattents and to their associates, to deduce and
conduct two several collonies or plantations of sundry our loving
people willing to abide and inhabit in certaine parts of Virginia and
America, with divers prehiminences, priviledges, authorities and other
things, as in and by the same letters pattents more particularly it
appeareth, wee according to the effect and true meaning of the same
letters pattents, doe by these presents, signed with our hand, signe
manuel and sealed with our privy seale of our realme of England,
establish and ordaine, that our trusty and well beloved Sir William Wade, knight,
our Lieutenant of our Tower of London, Sir Thomas Smith, knight, Sir
Walter Cope, knight, Sir Gorge Moor, Knight, Sir Francis Popeham,
knight, Sir Ferdinando Gorges, knight, Sir John Trevor, knight, Sir
Henry Montague, knight, recorder of the citty of London, Sir William
Rumney, knight, John Dodderidge, Esq. Sollicitor General, Thomas Warr,
Esq. John Eldred of the citty of London, merchant, Thomas James of the
citty of Bristol, merchant, and Jame Bagge of Plymouth, in the county
of Devonshire, merchant, shall be our councel for all matters which
shall happen in Virginia of any the territories of America, between
thirty four and forty five degrees from the æquinoctial line
northline northward, and the Islands to the several collonies limited
and assigned, and that they shal be called the King’s.
Comments from Lou Poole:
There was an Edward Wade who
preceded Armiger Wade to Virginia.
Edward Wade (according to Internet sources, therefore unconfirmed) was
“born 1611 in London, England, Immigrant on the ship Paule
7-2-1635; d.
1677 in Hampton Parish, York County…” Internet sources
then go on to
assert that Edward Wade was the son of Sir William Wade, and the
brother of our Armiger Wade. Again, no evidence is provided for this
assertion. I have seen many York County records mentioning this Edward
Wade, but have seen nothing yet that could lead one to conclude that
Edward was a brother of Armiger.
I have provided the above
speculations and unsubstantiated
assertions for my readers in the event that some breakthrough might be
made in proving or disproving these assertions.
The
Watch List
The most likely source of
additional information about Armiger Wade and his wife, Dorothy,
is the church records on England. These have not been easily
accessible until the last few years. Ancestry now has a major
collection of English church records and adds to them regularly.
FamilySearch.org has added millions of extracted records of
various types. At the present time, I am told the site has 2.5
billion extracted records on line. All of these are free. More are
added daily.
The third source is the paid sites specializing in English records,
FindMyPast etc. I think that they have about the same
that Ancestry has. I plan to check these soon. They do NOT have a
birth
record for Armiger Wade.
I have our surnames on what I call a Watch List. Because so much
is being added to these databases, I plan to run our surnames through
the databases every few months. If you do this and find something
to add, pleae let me know.
London Map
For more information on these churches, see Wikipedia.com A and
B are
about three miles apart.
A: Saint Martin in the Fields
Church, Westminster, London. Their children were Christened here
in 1641 and 1642.
B: St. Andrews Church, Undershaft,
London. Dorothy Halsey was Christened here in 1615.
C: St. Alphage Church, London Wall,
London. Armiger and Dorothy married here in 1639.
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