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DNA Study Note #05:

 

-----(Edited)  Original Message -----

From: "David B. Strong"

To: "Yvette L'Estrange"

Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:43 PM

Subject: DNA test results re Kit #7544

 

      Yvette...   The results from the DNA test are totally a surprise to
me.   There is something "strange" going on here.   I would have expected an HG2
result similar to kit #6491... and instead the result is an HG1 result more in line with
the borders of England and Scotland results.   Also, you have the most
extensive list of exact matches outside of the study so far.   In fact, the
few who have exact matches or near matches only match with ONE person.
Here, you have 19 exact 12/12matches with a number of persons whose names
don't match yours at all, plus one 24or25/25 match...   The only thing I
notice about some of the matching names here is that some of the names may
have passed thru Ireland.

The signs are pointing to an adopted name somewhere along the line.   I'm
sure this may be a big surprise to you.   Please give me your thoughts on
this subject…..

Regards
Dave Strong

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-----(Edited) Original Message -----

From: "Yvette L'Estrange"

To: "David B. Strong"

Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:58 PM

Subject: Re: DNA test results

 

Thanks David,


We did actually receive the results today and we were surprised to find that
we had exact matches with names that were not familiar….  there so many
matches with all different surnames.   Aren't all these tests paternal lines
and therefore should have the same surname…. As there are 19 matches, how can they all
be related? Obviously there is something going on here. I'm pretty sure
there were no adoptions, but they're must've been something else
happening!!!   For our sake, this is not negative and we'd love to find out
more about this 'strangeness".

For some time, we have believed that our L'Estrange's may have adopted the
name of the L'Estrange Land Lords in (County) Offaly, Ireland. Many L'estrange's in Offaly were
in positions of power and our L'Estrange were Roman Catholic farmers; could
that mean they adopted a name?
…….

 Thanks for your help

Yvette L'Estrange

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----- (Edited) Original Message -----

From: "David B. Strong"

To: "Yvette L'Estrange"

Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: DNA test results

 

Hi Yvette...

 ………

FYI, some of my background reading tends to indicate the L'Estranges
were Roman Catholic for some time following the reformation.   King's County, Ireland was
named in honor of King Philip of Spain, husband of Queen Mary of England
(elder half sister of Queen Elizabeth I)... two prominent Catholic monarchs
of the era... and it may well not have been a coincidence that the
L'Estranges became landlords in Offally (Kings) County.   There may have
been a close religious connnection between the L'Estranges and some of their
tenantry, which might have led to name adoption out of respect and also
possibly as a means of giving the tenants a degree of protection against
religious persecution.
……….

Regards
Dave Strong
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-----(Edited)  Original Message -----

From: "David B. Strong"

To: "Yvette L'Estrange"

Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:36 AM

Subject: Re: DNA test results

 

Hi Yvette...

I've been thinking about your results.    I have a half-formed hypothesis in
mind, which might place your line closer to the Lestrange lineage than our
preliminary discussion has indicated.    First, your results place you somewhat
close to the results for kit #5825  (only three steps away in 12 markers)...
the SCOTTISH member of the study.


A three-step in 12 markers difference is fairly large, and it may not be significant at all that you are that close.   However, if we speculate that the Scottish Stranges might in some way be related to the LeStrange family of England, we MIGHT
 extrapolate from that situation to yours...  Consider the possibility  that your
unknown ancestor MAY have been an illegitimate child fathered by a
Lestrange, either in Ireland OR in England.    The event may have taken
place as much as 500 years BEFORE the reformation, eg., perhaps as early as the time
following the conquest of England by William the Conqueror.   At this point
we DO NOT know the DNA signature of a Lestrange of the original lineage...
it might be like #6491, or it might be like yours and/or that of #5825. Then again,
perhaps someone "slipped into the tent" in the absence of the original
Lestrange, and fathered a son who was raised as a Lestrange... giving rise
to an entire line of Lestranges having the HG1 haplotype instead of the HG2
haplotype.   Admittedly, all this may be a bit of a stretch.   However, we keep coming back to the fact that
your haplotype is part of HG1 vice HG2, and there MAY or MAY NOT be some connections with other lines in the study.

I would like to suggest that you contact each of the 19 or 20 matches in
your list and ask at least four questions:
1) Do they trace their lineages to Offally/Kings County in Ireland?
2) Do they trace their lineages to Norfolk in England?
3) Do they have ANY indications that their line may have been tenants of, or
otherwise associated with, the Lestrange family in either location (or for
that matter in any other location)?
4) Do they have ANY indication that their lineage is now, or may for some
time AFTER the Reformation have been Catholic?

Note...  'yes' answers to those questions may help bolster the hypothesis
that HG1 members of the Lestrange family may have spread their genetic
signature rather widely during the 1000 years since descendants of followers of William the Conqueror brought
the NAME to Norfolk in England.

More Later...
Regards
Dave Strong

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Editor’s NOTE:   And so, we have a DNA Detective Mystery! Is this branch of the Irish L’Estrange family related to the English LeStrange family of Hunstanton Hall, Norfolk, England and their descendants in Ireland?   Or, are participant’s Irish L’Estrange ancestors in reality descendants of an ancestor who in one way or another adopted the L’Estrange surname?    Do any other English or Irish L’Estranges have the same DNA genetic signature?  How is it that there are some 20 matches in the Family Tree DNA database who have DIFFERING surnames?    Hopefully as time goes on, we will learn more which will enlighten us all concerning the results in Kit #7544.

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