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Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]

Birth Name Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp] 1a 2a
Married Name Elizabeth Short 3a 4a
Gender female
Age at Death about 73 years, 6 months, 13 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth about 1791    
 
Baptism 20 March 1791 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Pauper
1a 2a
Occupation 21 July 1800 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Indented to Elizabeth Darke

Indenture made, on behalf of Hatherleigh Parish, between -
Church Wardens ----------- George Bowdon and William Tucker
Overseers of the poor ---- John Turner and Thomas Ellacott
Two Justice of the peace- [names not clear]
Witness --------------------- William Northcott
And
Elizabeth Darke, for Hall Estate.

To put and place Elizabeth, aged 9, a poor child of the parish, as Apprentice to Elizabeth Darke till she is 21 or day of her marriage. [12 years !!]
Elizabeth Darke shall teach Elizabeth Trenaman, Housewifery and provide her with Meat, Drink, Apparel, Lodging and Washing.

[Elizabeth is not asked to sign the Indenture, and her parents are not mentioned.]

[I understand this was often done, when the Parish would find work for the poor, so that the Parish no longer had the cost of looking after the Child and the employer got a "free" servant.
- Les Treneman]
Elizabeth Indenture-2917 A-PO 18-23  1800

5a
Partner 1815   Had child out of wedlock, Elizabeth Treneman

Elizabeth and her First cousin (James Trenaman born 1793)
Sadly for them it would have been illegal at that time for them to marry
18.03.1815
Bastard Order made, naming James Trenaman as the father
(He "beget the said bastard child on her body") and ordering Him to pay -
One pound 17 shillings and 6 pence towards the cost of the birth Plus
1 shilling and 3 pence per week till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish.

Elizabeth to pay 7.5 pence a week to the Overseers of the Poor,
till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish,
in case she does not look after the child herself.

6a 7a
Partner 1819 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Had child out of wedlock, Thomas Treneman

17.05.1819 - Bastard Order made,
naming William Fursdon as the father
(He "beget the said bastard child on her body")
and ordering Him to pay -
Two pounds 4 shillings and 4 pence towards the cost of the birth Plus
1 shilling and 4 pence per week till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish.

Elizabeth to pay 8 pence a week to the Overseers of the Poor,
till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish,
in case she does not look after the child herself.

7a 6b
Marriage Banns 4/11/18 May 1834 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Both of this parish
4b
Marriage 29 May 1834 Hatherleigh, Devon, England  

Married after Banns.
John short a Widower.
Both of this parish
Both signed with a mark
Witnesses
William Treneman [used his mark] and John Bewes.

Possible one child
Ann Short Baptised 31 Dec 1835

4a 3b
Burial 14 July 1864 Hatherleigh, Devon, England arged 72
8a
  Addresses  
 
Residence 1841 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Bassetts

Step Son John Short aged 15 staying in house
John Short 55 1786 Devon
Elizabeth Short 50 1791 Devon
John Short 15 1826 Devon

9a
Residence 1851 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Brooks Tenement

John Short Head Married 66 1785 Ag Lab Sheepwash, Devon
Elizabeth Short Wife Married 61 1790 - Hatherleigh, Devon
William Short Grand Son Unmarried 14 1837 - Hatherleigh, Devon

10a
Residence 1861 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Back Lane

John Short Head Married 80 1781 Agricultural Labourer Sheepwash, Devon
Elizabeth Short Wife Married 68 1793 Hatherleigh, Devon

11a

Parents

Relation to main person Name Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father William Trenaman
Mother Elizabeth Sutton
    Brother     James Treneman
    Sister     Elizabeth Trenaman
    Brother     William Trenaman
    Sister     Grace Trenaman
         Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
    Brother     William Trenaman
    Brother     Richard Trenaman
    Brother     William Trenaman
    Sister     Mary Trenaman

Families

    Family of James Trenaman [T-3x-ggp] and Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
Partner Partner James Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Partner (Primary) 1815   Had child out of wedlock, Elizabeth Treneman

Elizabeth and her First cousin (James Trenaman born 1793)
Sadly for them it would have been illegal at that time for them to marry
18.03.1815
Bastard Order made, naming James Trenaman as the father
(He "beget the said bastard child on her body") and ordering Him to pay -
One pound 17 shillings and 6 pence towards the cost of the birth Plus
1 shilling and 3 pence per week till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish.

Elizabeth to pay 7.5 pence a week to the Overseers of the Poor,
till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish,
in case she does not look after the child herself.

6a 7a
  Children
  1. Elizabeth Treneman
    Family of William Fursdon and Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
Partner Partner William Fursdon
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Partner (Primary) 1819 Hatherleigh, Devon, England Had child out of wedlock, Thomas Treneman

17.05.1819 - Bastard Order made,
naming William Fursdon as the father
(He "beget the said bastard child on her body")
and ordering Him to pay -
Two pounds 4 shillings and 4 pence towards the cost of the birth Plus
1 shilling and 4 pence per week till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish.

Elizabeth to pay 8 pence a week to the Overseers of the Poor,
till the child should no longer be chargeable to the Parish,
in case she does not look after the child herself.

7a 6b
Marriage (Primary) 29 May 1834 Hatherleigh, Devon, England  

Married after Banns.
John short a Widower.
Both of this parish
Both signed with a mark
Witnesses
William Treneman [used his mark] and John Bewes.

Possible one child
Ann Short Baptised 31 Dec 1835

4a 3b
  Children
  1. Thomas Treneman
    Family of John Short and Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
Married Husband John Short
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage (Primary) 29 May 1834 Hatherleigh, Devon, England  

Married after Banns.
John short a Widower.
Both of this parish
Both signed with a mark
Witnesses
William Treneman [used his mark] and John Bewes.

Possible one child
Ann Short Baptised 31 Dec 1835

4a 3b

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Narrative

Abraham Fursdon married Grace Treneman 05.01.1804 in Hatherleigh, Devon.
Was it Abraham's brother who got Elizabeth Trenaman [1791] pregnant with her son Thomas ? [Father William Fursdon]

Elizabeth Trenaman b.1791 and Grace Treneman b.1782, fairly close in age, were probably good friends as well as relatives, and it is very likely that Elizabeth was in the Fursdon household quite a lot and that is where she became so involved with William, stepson and relative of Grace on the Murrain and White family lines, and grandson of John Murrin and Anne White. This must have placed Grace in an impossible position when she learned that Elizabeth was expecting William’s baby and the fact that he could not, or did not, want to get married.  Added to this problem is the fact that Grace Fursdon, being the daughter of Thomas Trenaman b.1729, would have been a first cousin of William Trenaman bapt.1761, father of Elizabeth b.1791, and it is highly likely that Elizabeth's son born in 1819 was named Thomas after the father that Grace Fursdon nee Treneman never knew.
Joy E-mail 24.12.2015

Narrative

Elizabeth Trenaman b1791, the mother of Thomas b1819, married John Short b1785, the father of Grace b1830, who later became Elizabeth's son, Thomas's wife.

Pedigree

  1. William Trenaman
    1. Elizabeth Sutton
      1. James Treneman
      2. Elizabeth Trenaman
      3. William Trenaman
      4. Grace Trenaman
      5. Elizabeth Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
        1. James Trenaman [T-3x-ggp]
          1. Elizabeth Treneman
        2. William Fursdon
          1. Thomas Treneman
        3. John Short
      6. William Trenaman
      7. Richard Trenaman
      8. William Trenaman
      9. Mary Trenaman

Ancestors

Source References

  1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Familysearch web site
      • Date: 25 March 2011
      • Page: Book 3a / Baptism / page.23 - Elizabeth Treneman
      • Confidence: High
      • Source Reference Note:

        Indexing Project (Batch) Number:.....C05104-1
        System Origin: ..................................England-ODM
        Source Film Number: ........................917141

  2. Parish Records: Certificate - Baptism - Parish Record
      • Date: 20 March 1791
      • Page: Elizabeth Trenaman at findmypast.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Archive reference 2917A/PR/1/4
        Record set Devon Baptisms
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Record collection Births & baptisms
        Collections from Great Britain

  3. Parish Records: Devon Family History Society
      • Date: 5 March 2011
      • Page: Church Records index - Marriage - Elizabeth and John Short
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 5 March 2011
      • Page: Church Records index - Marriage - Elizabeth Trenaman and John Short
      • Confidence: Very High
  4. Parish Records: Certificate - Marriage - Parish Record
      • Date: 13 March 2011
      • Page: Elizabeth Trenaman and John Short at findmypast.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Record set Devon Marriages
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Record collection Marriages & divorces
        Collections from Great Britain
        Devon Family History Society
        Transcriptions © Devon Family History Society
        Book 3a / Marriage / page.2 - Elizabeth Trenaman and John Short

      • Date: 1834
      • Page: Banns of Elizabeth Trenaman and John Short at findmypast.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Archive reference 2117A/PR/1/17
        Record set Devon Banns Registers 1538-1915
        Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
        Record collection Marriages & divorces
        Collections from Great Britain

  5. Various: Devon Record Office
      • Date: 21 July 1088
      • Page: Book 3a / Documents / page.17 - Elizabeth Trenaman
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Source Reference Note:

        Elizabeth Trenaman, 9, apprenticed to Elizabeth Dark (for Hall estate) 2917 A/PO 18/23 1800

  6. Parish Council / Overseers of the Poor: Parish Bastard Records
      • Date: 18 March 1815
      • Page: Book 3a / Documents / page.10 - Elizabeth Ettershank
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 17 May 1819
      • Page: Book 3a / Documents / page.10a - Thomas Treneman
      • Confidence: Very High
  7. Joy Walker nee Barker: E-mails from Joy Walker nee Barker
      • Date: 24 May 2011
      • Page: /home/les/.gramps-2/E-mails/
      • Confidence: Very High
  8. Parish Records: Certificate - Burial - Parish Record
      • Date: 14 July 1864
      • Page: from Find my Past
      • Confidence: Very High
  9. English Government: 1841 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 7 June 1841
      • Page: 1841 Census-SHORT, Elizabeth-OKEHAMPTON, Devonshire-HO107 piece 257 folio 25 page 45
      • Confidence: Very High
  10. English Government: 1851 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 31 March 2011
      • Page: 1851 Census-SHORT, Elizabeth-OKEHAMPTON, Devonshire-HO107 piece 1885 folio 139 page 2
      • Confidence: Very High
  11. English Government: 1861 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 8 April 1861
      • Page: 1861 Census-SHORT, Elizabeth-OKEHAMPTON, Devonshire-RG09 piece 1466 folio 52 page 41
      • Confidence: Very High