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John Paynter

Birth Name John Paynter 1a

    Also spelt Harriet Treneman

    I find Harriett and her husband John Paynter very interesting for what they did. To travel at that time was difficult, but to do so with small children (having some along the way) is truly amazing. It had to be a lot on Harriett as they did not have throw-away diapers or formula to make it a little easier. They went from Cornwall to NJ and back to Cornwall in a 10 year period (about). Harriett then came back to the US, as did all the living children which again amazes me.
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    Harriet Treniman was married to John Paynter who was the brother of my GGM Grace Trengove nee Paynter. They were born in Cornwall and moved to the US around 1865. Her father John Paynter Sr. and mother Mary Paynter nee Rowett came with them.
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    From Trengrove(2) Tree by jtrengrove1 on Ancestry

Gender male
Age at Death 39 years, 21 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth 23 May 1843 Redruth, Cornwall, England  

Parents John and Mary Paynter nee Rowatt

1a
Marriage 23 May 1863 St Day, Cornwall, England  

Established Church after Banns
Both of this Parish
Harriet signed her mark
Witnesses
Caroline Gregor
John Yeoman

2a 3a
Emigration 1865 United States of America. New York

Harriet Paynter nee Treniman with husband John and 3 children, his sister Grace Trengove nee Paynter and husband James and their parents John Paynter and Mary Paynter nee Rowatt

3b
Immigration between 1875 and 1877 Cornwall, England  

All the family returned to Cornwall England

3b
Emigration 1900 United States of America. Arrival Date 18 Aug 1900

Harriet, mother with daughter Phidella
Port of Departure
Southampton, England
Port of Arrival
New York, New York
Ship Name St Louis

3b
Death 13 June 1882 Gwennap, Cornwall, England aged 39 at Vogue

Cause of death Phthisis
(pulmonary tuberculosis)

4a
Burial 4 July 1882 St Day, Cornwall, England  
5a
Occupation 1863   Mason

1882 Mason

2a
  Addresses  
 
Residence 1851 Redruth, Cornwall, England West End

John Paynter Head Married 30 1821 Mason Journeyman Redruth, Cornwall
Mary Paynter Wife Married 32 1819 - Redruth, Cornwall
John Paynter Son Unmarried 7 1844 Scholar Redruth, Cornwall
Grace Paynter Daughter 1 1850 Scholar Redruth, Cornwall
Richard Henry Paynter Son 1 1850 - Redruth, Cornwall

6a
Residence 1861 Redruth, Cornwall, England Carbiss Row

John Paynter Head Married 40 1821 Stone Mason Redruth, Cornwall
Mary Paynter Wife Married 42 1819 - Redruth, Cornwall
John Painter Son Unmarried 18 1843 Stone Mason Ap Redruth, Cornwall
Grace J Painter Daughter Unmarried 15 1846 Labourer In Copper Mine Redruth, Cornwall
Richard Painter Son 12 1849 Mason Redruth, Cornwall
Mary Painter Daughter 8 1853 Scholar Redruth, Cornwall
Emily Painter Daughter 6 1855 Scholar Redruth, Cornwall
William Painter Son 2 1859 Scholar Redruth, Cornwall
Thomas Painter Son 0 1861 - Redruth, Cornwall

7a
Residence 1870 New Jersey, United States of America 611 Rockaway, Morris

Harriet Paynter
Age in 1870 - 28
Birth Year abt 1842
Dwelling Number 611
Home in 1870 Rockaway, Morris, New Jersey
Post Office Rockaway
Cannot Read Yes
Cannot Write Yes
Spouse John Painter Mason
Children
Alfred Paynter
Annie Paynter 3 years old
Frederic Paynter

Living next to John,s sister Mary Day and husband Samual and son Samual

8a 3b
Residence 4 April 1881 Redruth [RD] Cornwall. England Vogue

John Paynter Head Married 37 1844 Stone Mason Redruth, Cornwall
Harriet Paynter Wife Married 37 1844 Stone Mason Wife Carharrack, Cornwall
Alfred Paynter Son Single 17 1864 Tin Miner St Day, Cornwall
Annie Paynter Daughter Single 14 1867 Home Helper St Day, Cornwall
Fred Paynter Son Single 11 1870 Scholar - United States
Cora Paynter Daughter Single 7 1874 Scholar United States
John Paynter Son Single 5 1876 - Londonderry, Canada
Eva Paynter Daughter Single 3 1878 - Vogue, Cornwall
Sylvester Paynter Son Single 1 1880 - Vogue, Cornwall
Della Paynter Daughter Single 0 1881 - Vogue, Cornwall

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Parents

Relation to main person Name Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father John Paynter
Mother Mary Rowett
         John Paynter
    Sister     Grace Paynter

Families

    Family of John Paynter and Harriet Treniman [Cornwall]
Married Wife Harriet Treniman [Cornwall]
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage (Primary) 23 May 1863 St Day, Cornwall, England  

Established Church after Banns
Both of this Parish
Harriet signed her mark
Witnesses
Caroline Gregor
John Yeoman

2a 3a
  Children
  1. Annie Paynter
  2. Louisa Paynter
  3. Frederick Paynter
  4. Cora Paynter
  5. John Frederick Paynter
  6. Eva Paynter
  7. Sylvester Paynter
  8. Phidella Paynter

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Narrative

Harriet and her husband John were very interesting people.
They were married in Cornwall and had several children there. They then moved to NJ and had a child here. They then moved to New Haven Conn where they had a child, then to New London Canada where they had a child, and then back to Cornwall. They had a couple more children there as well as losing some children there.
When John Paynter died Harriet moved back to NJ where most of her children had returned to.
She is buried with her son Sylvester and his two wives in Springfield NJ. I have a photo of her headstone on line, as well as marriage and death certificates.
One of her sons Alfred moved to Butte Montana and was a mason there for a mining company and was very successful.
Most of the Paynter children were masons.
I have to do some more digging into my notes, but as I recall two of the children who remained in Cornwall for a short time lived with Harriett's sister [Emily ? Les T] who never married.
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Trengrove Family Tree (2) on Ancestry by jtrengrove1

Pedigree

  1. John Paynter
    1. Mary Rowett
      1. John Paynter
        1. Harriet Treniman [Cornwall]
          1. Annie Paynter
          2. Louisa Paynter
          3. Frederick Paynter
          4. Cora Paynter
          5. John Frederick Paynter
          6. Eva Paynter
          7. Sylvester Paynter
          8. Phidella Paynter
      2. Grace Paynter

Ancestors

Source References

  1. English Government: Certificate - Birth
      • Date: 23 May 1843
      • Page: Thanks to jtrengrove1 tree on Ancestry.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
  2. Parish Records: Certificate - Marriage - Parish Record
      • Date: 23 May 1863
      • Page: Harriet Treniman
      • Confidence: Very High
  3. Family Tree, Ancestry.co.uk
      • Date: 3 June 2019
      • Page: Paul Northey Family Tree by northey_paul
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Date: 3 May 2019
      • Page: From Trengrove Tree by jtrengrove1 on Ancestry
      • Confidence: Very High
  4. English Government: Certificate - Death
      • Date: 13 June 1882
      • Page: Thanks to jtrengrove1 tree on Ancestry.co.uk
      • Confidence: Very High
  5. Parish Records: Certificate - Burial - Parish Record
      • Date: 4 July 1882
      • Page: St Day, Cornwall, England
      • Confidence: Very High
  6. English Government: 1851 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 31 March 1851
      • Page: Find my Past
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Registration district Redruth
        Archive reference HO107
        Piece number 1915
        Folio 87
        Page 34

  7. English Government: 1861 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 8 April 1861
      • Page: Find my Past
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Archive reference RG09
        Piece number 1580
        Folio 16
        Page 26

  8. 1870 United States Federal Census
      • Date: 1870
      • Page: Publisher Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Year: 1870; Census Place: Rockaway, Morris, New Jersey; Roll: M593_878; Page: 437A; Image: 298; Family History Library Film: 552377

  9. English Government: 1881 Census - Find my Past
      • Date: 4 April 1881
      • Page: Harriet Paynter nee Treniman
      • Confidence: Very High
      • Citation:

        Registration district Redruth
        Archive reference RG11
        Piece number 2328
        Folio 41
        Page 15
        Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census