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I am sure that they won't mind sharing, but they, and I do also, like to recieve other's information as well. What genealogy program do you use to store your information in? I use the Family Tree Maker. At this time, I have 4.0, but I am considering upgrading to 5.0. 4.0 will pop right into a 5.0, but the same is not true the other way around. One of my cousins knows how to send information in any of the other formats, but I have not had an opportunity to ask him how. He has just moved from Florida to Washington D. C. When he has had time time get settled in, I will pick his brain. He is just a kid of 24 and probably has an appitude for those kinds of things. Kids do!! Sending you information, other than through the email system as an attached file, is a little involved, as you know. I would have to print out the material and then send it by snail mail. It might appear that I am asking a lot of questions and I am. I always like to be sure and I like to sort of get acquainted before just sending out information. By the way, in what part of the country are you located? I am located just across the Columbia River from Portland, Oregon in the State of Washington. My wife and I have lived here for more than 32 years. Yours truly, Wayne ---- September 8, 1998 From: "Joyce S" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Absolomon Carroll. Well, I am not positive that Absolom's parents were William and Mary, but during the 1850 census, there was a Mary living with him and was said to be close to 100 years of age; could be his grandmother or his mother. I am just not sure, I get different information from different people. I have even gotten something that says he may have been William Jr's child, Nathaniel's child and even John's child, so you see I have no idea whatsoever. I am just totally cofused. ( ; I have been gathering information for about 4 years now, since I learned that my maiden name is really Carroll and not Moore. My great grandfather John Carroll, Absolom's son by Rebecca Ledford, died when my grandfather was young. His wife, Dora Leona Coleman Carroll remarried when my grandfather was 13, and he took on the man's name that she married, without being adopted. We were never told this, of course. I found out when my aunt got in touch with my 3rd cousin and she gave me some information. I confirmed this information with my grandfather's half-brother this past August, at a family reunion. I do have Family Tree, but have been doing so much "gathering" and looking on the Internet, that I have had little time to put anything into it. I am in NE Georgia. have a great evening. Joyce ---- September 8, 1998 Here is a copy of a letter that I sent to Joyce S. Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 Subject: Carroll/Kilpatrick I found a couple of things that might clear things up for you. Elisha and Elijah Kilpatrick/Kirkpatrick are twin brothers. Both were born September 15, 1841. Some have the family as "KIL" others as "KIRK". I have all of mine as "KIL" since my closest ancestor was a confirmed "kilpatrick". Mary 'Polly' Moore born about 1770, married to William Carroll, 1772, being alive in the 1860 Cherokee County, North Carolina census. I can confirm this to be fact as I have personally seen the microfilm that lists it. It is as follows: Cherokee County, North Carolina 1860 Census HH # 450 Name Age Occu Value Value Place of Real Estate Pers Estate Birth Adams, Nipper 39 Farmer 800 350 Halifax,Virginia Mary 40 Haywood, North Carolina Nelson 16 Macon,North Carolina Lucinda 15 Macon,North Carolina William 13 Gilmer, GA Calvin 11 Gilmer, GA Mary 9 Gilmer, GA James 6 Gilmer, GA Nipper 4 Gilmer, GA Malinda 4 Gilmer, GA Jasper 1 Cherokee,North Carolina Carroll, Mary 90 Virginia That is verbatim how it is listed from the census. So you can see the Mary Carroll, listed as age 90 from Virginia, was there. That places her DOB about 1770. It also should prove that this family moved from Macon County, North Carolina to Gilmer County, GA and back to North Carolina. Don't forget the area that is/was known as Cherokee County in 1850, was Macon County before it became a county. This means they could have actually moved back to the same place they left. Hope that makes sense. ---- Where were Absolomon and his family living in the 1850 Census? If their Mary was about 100 in 1850, it doesn't look as if it was Mary Polly Moore Carroll. Of course 80 years could have been interpreted as being close to 100 years old. Did the census say where Absolomon's Mary was born? Mary Polly was said to have been born in Virginia and the 1860 Cherokee County Census confirms this. It is possible that Mary could have moved from Absolomon's home and into that of Nipper Adam and Mary Polly Carroll's. I guess the older surviving parents might have visited or lived with different children from time to time. Who is to say. I thought that you might be all the way on the east coast from the times on the email. As you know, one of the brothers of Mary Polly Carroll did move into Georgia and stayed their the rest of his life and raised his family there. It is too bad that you have not put your information into the FTM. That is the only way to keep the information from getting confused. I have one large file that I put all of my information into and as many as twenty plus that I keep smaller files in. There is no way that I could keep all of that information on paper. I do have it on paper somewhere, but it is mostly discarded after I get it into the FTM. As you know, you can put your information into seperate files and then merge them after you have confirmed or cleaned up the seperated files. I have only been chasing information for a little over two years. In that length of time I have in excess of 4900 entries in one file, 10,000 plus in another and 8,000 in yet another. I do not know how many are in the other 20 some files. Most of those 23,000 entries are totally different, with the exception of the ones that I have managed to merge. They might consist of approximately 2500 names. There for a while, I typed night and day, as many as 10 and 12 hours per day. I am a fairly good typist as I took two years of typing in school and managed to write 95 correct words per minute on an old manual elite machine. I also was a clerk typist as a secondary job, while I was in the Marine Corps. I am going to close for now. I am having trouble with my keyboard. I will have to tear into it tomorrow sometime and see if I can fix it. It has tried three times to send this letter before I was finished. Keep writing, we will try and see if our information fits. Yours truly, Wayne Carroll ---- September 9, 1998 From: "Joyce S" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mary Polly Moore thanks so much, I do appreciate it alot. take care Joyce ---- September 9, From: "Joyce S" <[email protected]> Subject: Mary Polly Moore I think they were guessing Mary's age at that time and she did tell them that she was born in Halifax County, Virginia, so I assume they are one and the same person. Absolom and family were living in Cherokee County, at the time of the census. I do believe I have some information somewhere, saying that Nipper was her son-in-law. No, I did not know about Mary Polly's brother; I know nothing really about Mary or William. I have started my FTM, but stay online so much, that I haven't been at it much. I will, eventually. I wish my problem was only my keyboard; I have trouble just connecting long enough to send e-mail. talk to you soon! Joyce ---- September 9, 1999 Dear Joyce: Thanks for showing me how the information came across. It is not how I sent it, but hopefully any further transmission of information will be a better quality. It is beginning to look like our Mary Polly Moore might be one and the same. Especially when you have mentioned that Nipper Adams was her son-in-law and that she was from Halifax County, Virginia. I knew that Nipper was from Halifax, but no one has said that she was from Halifax before. I am surprised that no one else has come forth with information on Absolomon. Not only am I interested in information on my direct line of descendancy, but I am very interested in gathering as much information on all of my ggg grandpa's siblings. I am ready to exchange a little information. The reason that I say a little, is that I have found that with some folks, if I send everything that I have, I do not hear much from them again. I am not saying that will happen in this case, but it has happened several times. I send everything that I have, expecting like information and nothing happens. Please forgive me for being so cautious. I have had others to be very cautious of me and it did irritate me because I usually am open and very free with the information that I have. After all, I would not have what I have if others weren't so giving of themselves. Another question that I have is how do you have your information stored and do you have a scanner. If you information is not stored electronically, you will have a dickens of a time sending me anything. Snail mail is an option, but is not my first choice. Eventually, I would appreciate it if you would send me everything that you have on Absolomon and his descendents. Whatever method you have at your disposal is alright with me. Like I said, I type fairly fast and do not mind entering information in this manner. Sometimes I prefer typing, because I can eliminate abbreviations as I go and make things more presentable. Is there any way that you can eliminate the copies of my letters that I send to you? I would appreciate it if you could. I will begin by sending you some notes that I have on William Carroll 1772 page. You will notice that Sharon Sooter has a group of names that she thinks belongs to Nathaniel Carroll. There is an Absolomon there, born 1818. Yours truly, Wayne ---- This information supplied October 30, 1996 by Carolyn Colliers by way of Randall K. Hill. Carolyn is married to a descendant of Nathaniel Carroll and she is from North Carolina. I believe that William Carroll and Nathaniel Carroll were cousins ( maybe even brothers cwc ). I found the following land records: 1787 Land Grant # 357 to William Carroll, 110 Acres on a branch of Potts Creek included his own improvements in Lincoln County, North Carolina to be registered within 12 months. "Own improvements" indicates that he was there prior to 1787. In 1803-4 this property was sold to William Jr. and Nathaniel. William Jr. paid less per acre than Nathaniel. "I think that this is a possible indication that William Jr. was William Sr.'s son and Nathaniel was a nephew. North Carolina census Burke County, James Carroll shows a son Nathaniel's age, this James is said to be a brother of William Carroll of Wilkes County, North Carolina. 1800 North Carolina census Burke County, James Carroll shows a son Nathaniel's age, this James is said to be a brother of William Carroll of Wilkes County, North Carolina. William Carroll, in 1803 received part of a land grant from his father ( the rest went to a brother or perhaps cousin Nathaniel ). He then moved to Macon County, North Carolina prior to 1820. ---- Note: This information came from an email from Maria Schisel dated April 30, 1997. The original information came from the work of Lavoice H. Carroll. He has done extensive research on deeds and land records in Granville and Franklin Counties in North Carolina. ---- Email from Carolyn Collier: Your Miles Carroll descends from William Carroll who settled in the Rabbitt Creek section of Macon County, North Carolina. Email dated April 13, 1997. ---- Email from Maria Schisel: 4/28/1997 @ Maria says " I have a little information on Lucinda Carroll's farther, William Carroll . William's father and grandfather were also named William and owned land in Granville County, North Carolina, and Franklin County, North Carolina. Do you also have this information?" ---- My cousin Sharon Sooter (cwc) has come up with a different group of names for our ancestors. Instead of Williams III being listed as our ancestor, she has Nathaniel Carroll being our ancestor. She has other brothers and sisters listed for Miles Carroll. They are as follows: Samuel Carroll 1806- Solomon Carroll 1808- Daniel Carroll 1816- John Carroll 1817- Absolomon 1818- Rachel Carroll 1819- Mary Carroll 1820- Sarah Carroll 1821- Some of these folks may indeed be the same individuals. But I know that some of them aren't. The dates are similiar but not the same as far as birthdays go. These may very well be our cousins through Nathaniel Carroll. His birthday is close enough to Williams to have been his brother. ---- This information is from Bertha Wise and Ruth Moore, from and email from Randall K. Hill dated March 18, 1997 William Carroll III was born about 1772 and died after 1840 and was married to Mary Polly Moore. They had the following children: William Jr., Miles, Joseph, Daniel, Mary Polly, Solomon and three other children. We have other information on these chidren as well. Lawrence Wood has published some of his information on the Setzer family of North Carolina. He has bible records showing Miles and Daniel Carroll, marrying Setzer sisters Ruah and Mary. This is especially interesting since John and Henry married sisters ( Sarah and Nancy Hull ). ---- Note: Email from Ruth E. Moore dated 3/21/1997 says that: William Carroll married Mary Polly Moore in 1802 in Lincoln County, North Carolina. ( They are the father and mother of Miles Carroll ). ---- Here is some miscellanious information in an email from Bertha Wise dated April 25, 1997. Daniel Carroll I, married Eleanor Darnall in 1727. Their children were as follows: Henry - drowned in boyhood Daniel II - 7/22/1730 to 5/1796 John - 1st bishop in America, archbishop of Baltimore d.1816 Anne Elinor Mary Elizabeth The John Carroll mentioned above was sent by the Continental Congress early in 1776 to Canada in an effort to lure the Canadians into an alliance against England. Through this effort to include a Jesuit in the party going to Canada, came John Carroll's introduction to Benjamin Franklin. Of course, these Carrolls landed in America generally speaking on the western shore of Chesapeake Bay (Maryland). There is a old burial plot on the western shore where many of the early Carrolls were buried. Of course, most of these were Catholic. I wonder how any came to be Protestant...maybe in coming to America and experiencing the anti-Catholic environment of early colonies???? There is a story in the recent book by A. J. Langguth, entitled Patriots: The Men who Started the American Revolution, 1988. A Private John Carroll was put on trial in 1770 along with several others, James Hartigan, William McCauley, Hugh White, William Warren for firing into a crowd on Mar 5, in Boston. The story indicates that many of the young soldiers defending the Crown in early America were from Ireland, perhaps from a British raid on Ireland, or conscripted to serve for the British in America. John Adams was one of the lawyers in this famous trial of 1770. ---- There is supposed to be a land grant that gives some property to a William Carroll Jr. in about 1803. Well, guess what? William Carroll Jr. was not born until 1803. Therefore, our William Carroll Sr. "1772" was actually William Carroll Jr. Confusing isn't it? Again, yours truly, Wayne ---- September 18, 1998 From: "Joyce S" <[email protected]> HI! Hope all is well with you. I am doing okay, just very tired. I have been working long hours; we have moved into a new office building, municipal court, and it is beginning to be overwhelming. But, anyway, I have been in contact with a lovely lady in Florida and she is interested in the same line as I am. We were wondering if you might have some additional information that we might be able to use, on the Carrolls. Anything will be gratefully appreciated. Sorry to cut it short, but it has been a longggg day for me and I am so very tired. Hope to hear from you! Joyce ---- Dear Joyce: Both Ruth and I had wondered why you had not responded in almost a week. Sorry to hear that you are working such long hours. It does sound like you have an interesting, if not overwhelming job. I don't know if I would be interested in working around a court house or not. There does seem to be a lot of negative things going on in those locations. I know that there are positive things happening too, but as far as I can tell, the other outweighs the rest. My wife, Joyce and I are more or less private type of individuals and like to be by ourselves. We live out in the country in the middle of five acres of Evergreen trees. We have lived on this particular piece for almost 20 years. Our grandchildren come out to visit almost every weekend and in fact we do have two that live with us. We raise peacocks for pets and have a few chickens that have supplied us with the eggs. Yes, I do have lots of information that I might be willing to share in the future. But the same conditions apply as I stated before. I might be willing to exchange information over a period of time. As I said before, I have given my all and virtually nothing in return. I am in contact with Ruth Moore, a cousin, Bertha Wise, a cousin, Randall Hill, a cousin, Floretta, a good friend, and many others. I have told them how I feel and they most likely share my sentiments. I also have a good friend named Eunice in Louisiana that is researching the same line as Floretta. I have other cousins in Alaska, Arkansas, California, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas, Washington State, among others. I have shared everything with them and they have done the same for me. My cousin Ruth Moore has suggested that she does not think that Absolomon would be a brother to Mary Polly Carroll Adams. I do not know for sure myself. His name was sent to me by others and I have been asked why I did not include his name in my list of siblings. I have seen him listed from different sources and so I have included his name in the list. So far I do not have any information on him. That is, other than the little that you have sent. I do hope to hear from you too!! Yours truly, Wayne ____________________________________________________________________________________ No more letters from Joyce S. at this time | ||||||||
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