rogues&vagabonds

In earlier times the playing football in the streets was illegal, and to be found in the streets at nights was also an offence, as in the absence of any effective police crimes against property were most likely to be committed under the cover of darkness.
In 1589 'Arthur HATCLIFFE, as well as being a 'footballer', walked abroad at night and behaved himself disorderly'. REF: Page 113, A History of Grimsby, Edward Gillet, University of Hull Press, 1969

Arthur, baptised 10 November 1565, would have been about 24 years old at the time of his arrest.  His burial record in the Parish Register Grimsby for 12 December 1604, shows he was the son of John Hatcliffe 'Alderman'. Whether Arthur had any descendants is unknown as we have found no other records for him.

See John Hatcliffe's pedigree


In an entry in the Grimsby Court Books of 1522, we find: 
'It is agreed by all the Burges being in the the hall that day, that John Atclyff, for unfytt and demener and ill wordes had and donne to Mr. Richard Thymlby, then beynge Maire, and delygently doynge is offys, shall be obliged wither to set XI days in the hall, or ever or lose his freedom at this day; and if it forton that ever hereafter he trobull ongodly the Maire and the Kynges Cowrt herafter otherwise than be comys a trewe and faithfull Burges to be have, it is agreid that the seid John shall be taken and cast over Barr and lose his freedom for ever.'

The Lincolnshire pedigree for Upton of Northolme-by-Wainfleet, says the John Hatcliffe was the husband of Dorothy Upton, but the 'Hatcliffe' pedigree says William Hatcliffe of Wainflete married Dorothy, dau of Nicholas Upton. John Hatcliffe's will mentions his wife 'Dorothy'. This would appear to be more reliable so we have attributed Dorothy Upton to John Hatcliff.

Curiously, if you look at John Hatcliffe's will you'll see he mentions his 'cousin' Richard Thimelby - so all must have been forgiven. Unless the court book referred to a different John Hatcliffe  and Richard Thimelby.


Letters & Papers
Foreign & Domestic
Henry VIII. Vol XIII - Part 1
1538. Cheshire.
"Complaint of Thos. Aston, the King's attorney within his fee of Halton...of the interference of Sir Piers Dutton, deputy to Sir Edw. Nevell, steward of Halton, with the courts called court baron, halmotes*, and letes, by the appoiontment, about two years since, of John Dutton, "Rafe Maninge, John Wright, Ric. Massy, and Lawrence Hatton, all his own servants to keep the said courts. They have held all the courts within the last year without authority, and have bound Thos. Aston's friends to the peace without just cause. At a pretended leet** holden before John Dutton, &c., on the eve of Palm Sunday 29 Hen. VIII, they altered a panel which was returned before them, putting out the names of Peter Leicester, Thos. Dutton, John Venables, Jas. Massy, Rob. Carington, and six others, whereby a jury unlawfully sworn indicted the petitioner and Peter Aston, his son, with Alex. Burton, Rob. Marten, Will. Pickering, Geo. HATCLIFFE, and Rob. Malbon, his servants, of hunting in Halton Park and riots not inquirable in any leets..."
We could find no evidence of whether or not the complaint was upheld. And just who the George Hatcliffe was is also unknown.
*Halmotes=court of the lord of the manor
**Court-leet\lete.=A special kind of court of record which the lords of certain manors were empowered by charter or 
     prescription to hold annually or semi-annually 

Reward for apprehension of John Hatchcliffe\Hatcliffe

Lincoln, Rutland, and Stamford Mercury" dated 21 May 1790.
"Run away from the Parish of Muckton in the Parts of Lindsey, in the county of Lincoln, about Candlemas last, John HATCLIFFE, Labourer, leaving his Wife and Child chargeable upon the said Parish. The said John HATCLIFFE is a Thin Man about 28 years of age, 5 feet 10 inches high, pale Complexion with a very large Nose. Whoever will apprehend the said John HATCLIFF so that he
may be dealt with as a Rogue and Vagabond, and give information thereof to Mr Joseph WOODROFFE, Overseer of the said Parish of Muckton or to Mr. WEBB, Attorney at law, Louth, shall receive TWO GUINEAS Reward."
VAGRANTS: Vagrant passes would be given to anyone who was legitmately going from one place to another. 
It was unwise to wander about with no pass or settlement certificate. If you were apprehended wandering (and possibly begging?) you could be required to explain why; you would probably be described as a rogue and vagabond on the 'Examination' which you would undergo. The punishment could be a week or two in the House of Correction and subsequent banishment from this Parish. But found wandering (and begging) more than 
once meant you could be classed as 'an incorrigible rogue and vagabond' and the punishment for anything 'incorrigible' was often deportation!


John Hatcliffe\Hatchcliffe was apprehended, and he eventually went back to his wife Alice (Rowson) and eleven children were recorded as being born to them. A long line of descendants issued from these children. They include:
Roger Hatcliffe
Jenny Griggs 
Mitchell Maybury 
Marie Lai 

John'sfamily is also recorded in the 'Lincolnshire Poor Law Index' (p58-9)
HATCLIFFE Alice date 1790 Easter 1790
HATCLIFFE John Aged 1, 1790 Ea 1790
HATCLIFFE John 1790 Midsummer 1790
Removal orders with settlement examinations.



The worst Hatcliffe offenders it seems were transported to America. In 'The Complete Book of Emigrants in Bondage, 1614-1775', Peter Wilson Coldham, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1988 we find:
1752, Thomas Hartcliffe,  of Atherton, nailer,  sentenced to transportation at Quarter Sessions, Lancashire.
And  in 1759, Alice Hartliff, sentenced to transportation, from Lancashire. The pair may have been siblings, but who their parents were is a mystery. The IGI has a record for the birth of a Thomas Hartcliff in 1720, with a mother Catherine Hartcliff, and these two may hold the clues to who Thomas and Alice were. Though to date no descendants of Thomas have been found.

Although the Australian transportation records are very comprehenisve we could find no records for Hatcliffes or Hartcliffes.


To return to previous page click 'back' on menu bar