Thirty-sixth Generation 
64354895608. Rodulf (Ralph) II De WARENNE,1011,2234,2421 son of Rodulf (Ralph) I De WARENNE and Beatrice De VASCOEUIL, was born about 1020 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.2189 Another name for Rodulf was Ralph De WARRENE.
General Notes: RODULF DE WARENNE, 1st son and heir, is known only from his subscriptions to two charters of his father for the Holy Trinity of Rouen. As his father's lands near Rouen and in the pays de Caux did not pass to his son William or William's descendants, it is likely that Rodulf succeeded to them on his father's death; he married Emma, whose parentage is unknown. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493, XIV:603, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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[From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families"]
For this identification see Mr. Loyd's paper 'The Origin of the Family of Warenne' in Yorkshire Arch. Journal, vol. xxxi, pp. 97-113. The hamlet of Varenne lies on the river Varenne c. 2 miles S of Arques and c. 13 miles N of Bellencombre. The latter place, arr. Dieppe, cant. Bellencombre, where there was a castle, became the caput of the Warenne honour in Normandy.
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], provided the
following additional information on Rodulf, in a post-em:
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Rodulf (Ralph) I de Warenne
K.S.B. Keats-Rohan "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family":
1027-35: first occurrence of Ralph de Warenne in a charter for Saint-Amand [p22]
c1050: grant of land in Vascoeuil by Ralph de Warenne and wife Beatrice; charter mentions Ralph's brother Godfrey and was attested by Gotmund miles abbatis. Dateable to c1050 by a reference to Roger de Beaumont as Vicomte of Rouen [p22]
1050's: well known charters of early 1050s by which Ralph de Warenne and his wife Beatrice were associated with the lands of Roger fitz Bishop Hugh of Coutances and his sons. [p23]
Research note: K-R p22 contradicts CP (& Holloway & Wagner) by stating Rodulph/Ralph died before Beatrice. Beatrice is listed as living 1053 (CP XII/1:492 & ES III:698) & dead before 1059 (CP XII/1:492, K-R p22, Moriarty p184, Wagner p46]. K-R states a grant "made by widow Beatrice" to Preaux of land near Dozule, Eure was "dated during the time of William son of Count Robert, suggesting that William had not yet begun the series of military achievements that enabled him to be detached from his father in such references, i.e. before c1054-60". To do: check CP's source of the 1074 grant. Also is the term "widow" K-R's or stated in the grant of the land near Dozule?... Curt
Regards,
Curt
Rodulf married Emma 1011,2422 about 1034. Emma was born about 1020 in France and died after 1074 2423.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Ranulf De WARENNE Of Whitchurch was born about 1045 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Blancminster Now Whitchurch, Shropshire, England 2424.
64354895609. Emma 1011,2422 was born about 1020 in France and died after 1074 2423.
General Notes: Emma was originally said to be a 2nd wife of the elder Rodulf de Warenne. She was later made wife of the younger Rodulf. I assume the "living 1074" still applies to her.
Emma married Rodulf (Ralph) II De WARENNE 1011,2234,2421 about 1034. Rodulf was born about 1020 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.2189 Another name for Rodulf was Ralph De WARRENE.
64354895610. Gherbod The FLEMING 1st Earl Of Chester 415,670,2079,2091 was born about 1027 in Flanders, France and died from after 20 February 1070 to 1071 in Taken Prisoner At Battle Of Cassel, Flanders 2079. Another name for Gherbod was 01st Earl Of CHESTER Gherbod The Fleming.
General Notes: Gherbod was the very first Earl of Chester after the conquest. He is also the father of Gundred, wife of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey. Allegedly the mother was William the Conqueror's wife, Matilda of Flanders, who married or had an affair with Gherbod, before she m. William I. For a long time genealogists thought Gundred was a daughter of William I.
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EARLDOM of CHESTER (I)
Gherbod, a Fleming, Avoue of the Abbey of St. Bertin, received, on the dismemberment of Mercia, early in 1070, a large portion of that district, together with the city of Chester, the said portion being formed into a County Palatine (under the name of Cheshire) whereby he became Earl of Chester. He returned shortly afterwards, to his native country, where he was taken prisoner at the battle of Cassel, 1071, and kept captive for a long period, never coming back to England. [Complete Peerage III:164]
Gherbod married Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England 1600,1601,2083 in 1st Husband?. Matilda was born in 1032 in Flanders, France,389,390,2084 died on 3 November 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France 389,390,2084 at age 51, and was buried in Church Of Holy Trinity, Caen.389,390
64354895611. Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England,415,670,1059,1600,1601,1746,2076,2077,2083,2089 daughter of Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE, was born in 1032 in Flanders, France,389,390,2084 died on 3 November 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France 389,390,2084 at age 51, and was buried in Church Of Holy Trinity, Caen.389,390
General Notes:
[copied from Bill Crawford's ancestry: crawfolk data base on World Connect Project, rootsweb.com] Had Matilda of Flanders as many husbands as Adelaide, Countess of Ponthieu, and, like her, issue by each? What was the real cause of the inhibition of her marriage with William, Duke of Normandy, - its delay for six years? What truth is there in the story of her unreturned affection for the Angio-Saxon Brihtric Meaw, and of her vindictive conduct to him after she became Queen of England? I have hesitated to believe in the popular tradition that Duke William grossly assaulted the daughter of Baldwin in the street or in her own chamber, not that I have any doubt about his being capable of such an outrage, but because he was too politic to commit it, and she was not the woman to have forgiven it, assuming that the offence was the simple refusal of his hand on the ground of his illegitimacy. It is obvious, however, that the early life of Matilda is involved in mystery, and it is highly probable that a clearer insight into it would enable us to account for much which we now reject as legend, or fail to reconcile with acknowledged facts. If there be any foundation for the story of William's brutality, the outburst of ungovernable fury might have been due to a much greater provocation than has been assigned for it. Brihtric, the son of Algar or Alfar, sumamed Meaw (Snow), from the extreme fairness of his complexion, an Anglo-Saxon Thegn, possessor of large domains in England, had been sent on an embassy from King Edward the Confessor to the Connt of Flanders. Matilda, we are told, fell desperately in love with him, and offered herself to him in marriage! Either disgusted by her forwardness, or preferring another, he declined the flattering proposal. "Hell hath no fury like a woman foiled," and she kept her wrath warm till she was in a position to ruin the man she had so passionately loved. She had no sooner become the Queen of England than she induced William to confiscate, on some pretence, all Brihtric's estates, and obtained the greater proportion for herself. The unfortunate Thegn was arrested at his house at Hanley, in Worcestershire, on the very day Saint Wulfstan had consecrated a chapel of his building, dragged to Winchester, and died in a dungeon! The truth of this story is supported by the impartial evidence of Domesday, in which Hanley and the principal manors held by Brihtric in the time of King Edward are recorded as the possessions of Queen Matilda, and the remainder passed to Fitz Hamon.
After her hand had been rejected by the noble Saxon, it is presumed she became the wife of a Fleming, named Gherbod, who appears to have held the hereditary office of Advocate of the Abbey of Saint Bertin, in St. Omers, and by whom she had at least two children, viz., Gherbod, to whom William gave the earldom of Chester, and Gundred, "the sister of Gherbod," and wife of William de Warren. Was this a clandestine or an informal marriage, which, as it has never been acknowledged by any chronicler, contemporary or other, might have been unknown to the Duke of Normandy, when he proposed to one whom he believed to be the maiden daughter of the Count of Flanders, and the corporal chastisement inflicted, however unworthy of a man, passed over, sub silentio, for prudential reasons, by the parties wlio had been guilty of a disgraceful suppression of facts? The subsequent marriage under such circumstances will awaken no surprise in any one who has studied the character of William. Utterly unscrupulous, destitute of every generous, noble, or delicate feeling, every action of his life was dictated by POLICY alone. An alliance with the Count of Flanders might be considered by the crafty schemer sufficiently advantageous to warrant his overlooking any objectionable antecedents in the conduct of a granddaughter of a king of France, his first discovery of which had provoked his savage nature into a momentary ebullition of fury. Her being the mother of two children was a point in her favour with a man whose sole motive for marrying was the perpetuation of a dynasty, and the fair prospect of legitimate issue, in whose veins the blood of the Capets should enrich that of the Furrier of Falaise, would overcome any hesitation at espousing the widow of an Advocate of St. Bertin. On the other hand, Count Baldwin would be too happy to embrace the opportunity of reinstating his daughter in a position befitting her birth, and, as well as the lady herself, gladly condone past insults for future advantages and the hope of smothering, in the splendour of a ducal wedding, the awkward whispers of scandal.
I have said thus much simply to show the view that may be taken of these mysterious circumstances, in opposition to the rose-coloured representations of some modern historians, who, upon no stronger evidence, elevate the Conqueror into a model husband, and describe Matilda as the perfection of womankind.
Noted events in her life were:
• Religion: , Flanders, Belgium, Netherlands. 390
• Unknown: Countess of Flandres, 1031-1083, , Flanders, Belgium, Netherlands. 390,417,1169,2076,2077
• Unknown: Duchess of Normandie, 1050-1083, , Caen, Calvados, France. 390,417,2076,2077
• Unknown: Queen of England, 1066-1083, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,2077,2090
Matilda married William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND,891,1600,1601,2078,2079 son of Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY and Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE, about 1053 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, France 389,390,2076.,2077 William was born on 14 October 1027 in Falais, Calvados, France,389,390,2078,2080 was christened in 1066 in , Dives-Sur-Mer, Normandie, France,389,390 died on 9 September 1087 in Hermenbraville, Seine-Maritime, France 389,390,2078 at age 59, and was buried on 10 September 1087 in Abbey Of St Step, Caen, Calvados, France.389,390 Another name for William was Guillaume de NORMANDIE King of England.
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1066-1087
• Occupation: King of England, September 1066-10 September 1087, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,417,2076,2077,2081
• Occupation: Norman Conquest, 14 October 1066, Hastings, , Sussex, England. 390,2077,2082
• Occupation: Duke of Normandie, , , Normandie, France. 390,417,2076,2077
Matilda next married Gherbod The FLEMING 1st Earl Of Chester 2079,2091 in 1st Husband?. Gherbod was born about 1027 in Flanders, France and died from after 20 February 1070 to 1071 in Taken Prisoner At Battle Of Cassel, Flanders 2079. Another name for Gherbod was 01st Earl Of CHESTER Gherbod The Fleming.
64354895612. Henry I King Of FRANCE,415,1524,1598,1601,1746,1869,2425 son of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born in 1006 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,2426 died on 4 August 1060 in Vitry-Aux-Loges, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 1524,1598 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, St Denis, Seine, France.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1005. 1524
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1008. 1598
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 4 August 1060. 2425
• Ruled: 1031-1060.
Henry married Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV 1524,1598,1601,2426 from 20 January 1050 to 1051 in 3rd Wife 1524.,2426 Anna was born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine,2427 died after 1075 in France 1524,2428, and was buried in Villiers Abbey, La-Ferte-Alias, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
Children from this marriage were:
Henry next married Mathilde De FRIESLAND 1601 in 1043. Mathilde was born in Friesland, , Germany and died in Y.
64354895613. Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV,415,1524,1598,1601,1746,2426 daughter of Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV and Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR, was born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine,2427 died after 1075 in France 1524,2428, and was buried in Villiers Abbey, La-Ferte-Alias, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
General Notes:
After the death of her husband, Henri I, she was joint regent for her son, Philippe I, together with Baudouin V of Flanders. Her marriage to Raoul, Comte de Valois caused a scandal, since he was already married. He was excommunicated, and she died in a convent. She was daughter of Jarosla Vladimirovich of Kiev and Indegard of Norway, and lived (1051-89). 1741
Anna married Henry I King Of FRANCE 1524,1598,1601,1869,2425 from 20 January 1050 to 1051 in 3rd Wife 1524.,2426 Henry was born in 1006 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,2426 died on 4 August 1060 in Vitry-Aux-Loges, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 1524,1598 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, St Denis, Seine, France.
Anna next married Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN,2430,2431 son of Raoul II Comte D' VALOIS & Crepy and Adele De BRETEUIL, in 1061 in 2ND Husband 3Rd Wife.2429 Raoul was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France,2431 died from 23 February 1073 to 1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 2431 about age 58, and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul III "The Great" Count Of VALOIS & Vexin.
64354895614. Herbert IV Count Of VERMANDOIS,1869,2430 son of Otho Count Of VERMANDOIS and Parvie, was born about 1032 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2430 and died in 1080 in France 2430 about age 48.
Herbert married Adela De VEXIN.2430 Adela was born about 1041 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1080 about age 39.
The child from this marriage was:
64354895615. Adela De VEXIN,2430 daughter of Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN and Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE, was born about 1041 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1080 about age 39.
Adela married Herbert IV Count Of VERMANDOIS 1869.,2430 Herbert was born about 1032 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2430 and died in 1080 in France 2430 about age 48.
64354898624. Gamel De TETTESWORTH The King's Thane 415 was born about 1043 in Tetsworth, Thame, Oxfordshire, England and died after 1086.
General Notes: Gamel, and thane of the king's, Lord of Aldithley, Talk, and Balterley, in the county of Stafford, and of Cedde-and Mottram Andrews, in the county Chester, at the time of the Domesday survey, had issue, Adam de Aldithley.
Gamel married Mottram ANDREWS. Mottram was born about 1045 in Cheshire, England.
The child from this marriage was:
32177449312 i. William De AUDLEY Sir (born about 1067 in Audley, Staffordshire, England)
64354898625. Mottram ANDREWS 415 was born about 1045 in Cheshire, England.
Mottram married Gamel De TETTESWORTH The King's Thane. Gamel was born about 1043 in Tetsworth, Thame, Oxfordshire, England and died after 1086.
64354898648. Hugh De MONTGOMERY 2nd Earl Of Shrewsbury,415,588,1972 son of Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury and Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON, was born between 1053 and 1059 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1972 died on 31 July 1098 in Montgomery, Montgomershire, Wales 1972 about age 44, and was buried on 17 August 1098 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England. Other names for Hugh were 02nd Earl Of ARUNDEL Hugh De Montgomery, and1668 2nd Earl Of SHREWSBURY Hugh De Montgomery.
General Notes: Shrewsbury, Earldom of: His [Roger, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury's] son, the 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury (or Shropshire) of the 1074 creation, was killed by a missile launched from a Norse (or conceivably Irish) raiding party off the Anglesey coast while riding along the forshore on that island trying to fend them off. He was accounted gentle by the English and Normans but a Hammer by the Welsh. Under the systerm then prevailing the Earldom passed to an elder brother, Robert de Belleme, who constructed Bridgnorth Castle and continued the family policy of harrying the Welsh. He rebelled against Henry I and in 1102 was deprived of the Earldom of Shrewsbury/Shropshire, together with his English and Welsh estates. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]
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EARLDOM OF ARUNDEL (II) 1094
EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (II) 1094
HUGH (DE MONTGOMERY), EARL OF SHREWSBURY, 3rd but 2nd surviving son by 1st wife, was born probably between 1053 and 1059 (b). In December 1079 he was at the Castle of Bures when his mother was murdered there and he pursued the murderers in vain. In the summer of 1080 at Caen he joined his brothers in attesting his father's charter for Troarn for the soul of their mother. Before his father's death he was already recognised as his heir in England. In 1092 he was at the siege of Breval and with other magnates he made peace between William de Bréteuil and Ascelin Goel. On Roger's death in 1094 he succeeded him as EARL OF SHROPSHIRE or SHREWSBURY and to all his lands in England and Wales. In that year the Welsh rose in arms. Hugh fought them with some success in North Wales, but in 1095 they took Montgomery and slaughtered the garrison. Hugh took part in the conspiracy against William II in 1095, but he bought the King's favour for £3,000. In 1098 with the Earl of Chester he invaded and conquered Anglesey, treating the Welsh with great cruelty. When a Norwegian fleet appeared off the coast of North Wales, the 2 Earls met at Diganwy (co. Carnarvon) and crossed to Anglesey. As the fleet approached the land, the Earl rode along the shore and was struck by an arrow shot, or a javelin thrown, from a ship and fell dying into the sea. Thus he died unmarried about 31 July 1098 and was buried about 17 August at Shrewsbury Abbey.[d] [Complete Peerage XI:688-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(b) He may or may not have been the 3rd child. According to a Welsh annalist, he was fighting in Wales in 1072; but this seems impossibly early. [Note: I think that many of Roger II's children were born earlier than CP states.]
[d] The Normans and English long sought for his corpse, drawn away by the tide, and found it at length; and on the 17th day after his death bore it to Shrewsbury, where it was buried in the abbey amid great mourning. He was the only one of the sons of Mabel who was gentle and amiable. This seems hardly compatible with the alleged cruelties to the Welsh in Anglesey.
Note: Hugh died unmarried, but I have a son, undoubtedly illegitimate, by him.
Hugh married in No Marriage.
The child from this marriage was:
64354898656. Ranulphus De MAINWARING 415 was born about 1040 in Normandy, France.
General Notes: Ranulphus, a noble Norman in the train of William the Conqueror, one of the soldiers of fortune, who acquired as their share of the spoil, the county of Chester, had, for his immediate division, fifteen lordships there, amongst which was Peore (afterwards Over-Peover). His son and heir, Richard de Mesnilwaren, was ancestor of William Mainwaring, of Over Peover. [John Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, 2nd Edition, Scott, Webster, and Geary, London, 1841, p. 334]
Ranulphus married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177449328 i. Richard De MAINWARING Of Warmincham (born about 1065 in Warmingham, Cheshire, England)
64354910920. Lambert II "Baudry" Count Of LOUVAIN,2432 son of Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN and Gerberga Of LORRAINE, was born about 991 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium,2432 died after 21 September 1062 2432, and was buried in Nivelles, Belgium.
Lambert married Oda Of LORRAINE.2432 Oda was born about 995 in Lorraine, France and died in 1044 about age 49.
Children from this marriage were:
32177455460 i. Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN (born about 1021 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France - died before 1079)
ii. Jean De FIENNES was born about 1025 in Fiennes, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.
iii. Adele De LOUVAIN was born about 1030 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium and died in 1083 about age 53.
64354910921. Oda Of LORRAINE,2432 daughter of Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun and Urracca Princess Of ITALY, was born about 995 in Lorraine, France and died in 1044 about age 49.
Oda married Lambert II "Baudry" Count Of LOUVAIN.2432 Lambert was born about 991 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium,2432 died after 21 September 1062 2432, and was buried in Nivelles, Belgium.
64354910922. Eberhard Count Of BETEAU,2197 son of Godizo Count Of BETEAU and Unknown, was born about 1006 in Betuwe, Netherlands. Another name for Eberhard was Eberhard Count Of BETUWE.
Eberhard married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177455461 i. Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA (born about 1031 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany - died after 1086)
64354910924. Arnold II Comte De CHINY,2199,2433 son of Louis II Comte De Ivoix & CHINY and Sophie (Sophia) De VERDUN, was born about 1045 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died on 16 April 1106 2199,2433 about age 61.
Arnold married Adelaide (Adela) De MONTDIDIER 1270,2199.,2434 Adelaide was born about 1045 in Guise, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1068 2434. Another name for Adelaide was Adela De ROUCY.
The child from this marriage was:
32177455462 i. Otto II Comte De CHINY (born about 1065 in Chiny, Luxemburg - died on 28 March 1125)
64354910925. Adelaide (Adela) De MONTDIDIER,415,670,1270,2199,2434 daughter of Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY, was born about 1045 in Guise, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1068 2434. Another name for Adelaide was Adela De ROUCY.
Adelaide married Arnold II Comte De CHINY 2199.,2433 Arnold was born about 1045 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died on 16 April 1106 2199,2433 about age 61.
64354910926. Albert III Comte De NAMUR,670,1886,2364 son of Albert II Comte De NAMUR and Regilinde Of Lower LORRAINE, was born about 1030 in Namur, Belgium 2293 and died on 22 June 1102 2293 about age 72.
Albert married Ida Billung Of SAXONY 2364 about 1067.2293 Ida was born about 1035 in Saxony, Germany and died on 31 July 1102 2293 about age 67. Another name for Ida was Ida BILLUNG.
64354910927. Ida Billung Of SAXONY,415,670,2364 daughter of Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY and Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT, was born about 1035 in Saxony, Germany and died on 31 July 1102 2293 about age 67. Another name for Ida was Ida BILLUNG.
Ida married Frederick II Count Of LUXEMBOURG,2293 son of Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG and Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG. Frederick was born in 1006 in Luxembourg, died on 28 August 1065 2293 at age 59, and was buried in Duke Of Lower Lotharingia.2293
Ida next married Albert III Comte De NAMUR 1886,2364 about 1067.2293 Albert was born about 1030 in Namur, Belgium 2293 and died on 22 June 1102 2293 about age 72.
64354912800. Roger De MORTIMER,415,2234,2421,2435 son of Rodulf (Ralph) I De WARENNE and Beatrice De VASCOEUIL, was born about 1030 in Mortemer-Sur-Eaulne, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1086 in Saint-Victor-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2435.
General Notes: ROGER DE MORTEMER, Seigneur of Mortemer-sur-Eaulne in Normandy, was one of the leaders of the Norman forces at the battle of Mortemer in 1054, but having assisted the escape of one of the French prisoner, Ralph, Count of Montdidier, to whom he had done homage, he was exiled and his lands confiscated. He was afterwards reconciled to Duke William and some of his lands were restored to him, though not Moretmer, which had been given to his consanguineus William de Warrene; Saint-Victor-en-Caux thereupon became the caput of the Norman honour of the family. He is said to have founded the abbey of Saint-Victor-en-Caux. He was living in 1078 or later, but was dead in 1086, when his son Ralph appears in Domesday Book. He married Hawise (c). [Complete Peerage IX:266-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) Hawise and Ralph her son gave land in Mers in the diocese of Amiens to the abbey; in 1192 Theobald, Bishop of Amiens, confirmed this gift at Mers. The fact that Hawise held land at Mers in Le Vimeu explains the homage done by Roger de Mortimer to Ralph, Count of Montdider, and suggests that the marriage was earlier than 1054, the date of the battle of Mortemer. Since Hawise and her son join in this gift, she appears to have survived her husband.
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], provided the following information in a post-em:
Roger de Mortimer
birth: before 990 [Ref: Tucker] (needs coroboration...Curt)
died: living 1078 dead in 1086 [Ref: CP IX:266] (which makes born bef 990 improbable...Curt)
Seigneur of Mortemer-sur-Eaulne, near Neuchatel-en-Brai [Early Yorkshire Families by Charles Clay, Yorkshire Archaeological Society, 1973 p62]
occurs as a witness to a charter for Saint Wandrille sometime between 1040 and 1053 [Ref: Keats-Rohan p22]
founded the abbey of Saint-Victor-en-Caux [Ref: CP IX:266]
called "Roger filius episcopi" Brother Ralph, als called "filius episcopi" was founder of the house of Warenne [Ref: DNB v39 p130]
first to assume the name of Mortimer, which was taken from the village and castle of Mortemer-en-Brai (mortuum mare) in the Pays de Caux, situated at the source of the little river Eaulne [Ref: DNB v39 p130]
1054: won the victory of Mortemer, fought under the walls of his castle, against the troops of Henry I, King of the French. But Roger gave offence to Duke William by releasing one of his captives, and was accordingly deprived of his castle of Mortemer, which was transferred to his nephew, William de Warenne, son of his brother Ralph (afterward first Earl of Surrey) [Ref: DNB v39 p130]
1054: punished for what Orderic represents as an honourable treason by the loss of some of his lands, though most were susequently restored to him. Those that were not were centered on Bellencombe, which is 13 miles south of the place from which the Warenne family was named [Ref: Keats-Rohan p23]
1054: lands lost were regranted to his 'consanguieus' William de Warenne [Ref: KeatsRohan p23]
transferred the family chief seat to Sait-Victor-en-Caux [Ref: DNB v39 p130]
1074: priory of Caux, a cell of Saint-Ouen at Rouen, was erected into an abbey [Ref: DNB v39 p130]
probably too old to have been present at Hastings, but some of his sons, perhaps Hugh or possibly Ralph appeared on his behalf [Ref: DNB v39 p130]
Seigneur of Mortemer-sur-Eauline, in Normandy. He was probably born before 990. He was the first to take the name Mortimer, which was taken from the village and castle of Mortemer-en-Brai (mortuum mare), in the Pays de Caux, situated at the source of the little river Eaulne (Eauline). In 1054 he won the victory of Mortemer, fought under the walls of his castle, against the troops of Henry I, King of the French. He offended William and was deprived of his castle of Mortemer, which was transferred to his nephew William de Warenne. The Mortimers transferred their chief seat to Saint-Victor-en Caux, where the priory, a cell of Saint-Wuen of Rouen, was 1074 erected into abbey by Roger and his wife Hawise. [Ref: Tucker]
The family of Mortemer derives its name from Mortemer (Mortuo-Mari) in Pays-de-Caux at the source of the Eaulne River. The castle of St. Victor-en-Caux was the chief barony of the family, which is said to have sprung from a marriage of Walter de St. Martin and a niece of the Duchess Gonnor. It was possessed by Roger de Mortemer in 1054, on which date he was one of the commanders of Duke William's forces at the battle of Mortemer. He sheltered in his castle, after the battle, his father-in-law, Raoul III. the Great, Comte de Valois and d'Amiens, by Oderic Vital called de Montdidier, one of the French commanders, until he was able to conduct him safely to his own territories three days later. For this reason Roger was banished by Duke William and his estates confiscated. He was later pardoned and his possessions returned with the exception of the castle of Mortemer, which the Duke had given to Roger's brother, William de Warren I. He contributed sixty vassals to the fleet of Duke William and it is generally conceded that he was too old to have been present at Senlac, although he made a donation to the abbey of St. Ouen in 1074 and died prior to the compilation of the General Survey. [Ref: McBide2 The Ancestors of Homer Beers James citing: Crispin & Macary, "Falaise Rolls"]
Tucker = Aristocratic and Royal Ancestry of Jane Harry, by Leslie Ray Tucker, Jan 1991, Timbercreek Ltd., Miami, OK (caveat emptor: contains numerous errors)
Keats-Rohan = Poppa of Bayeux and her Family, by K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, July 1997
Regards,
Curt
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Roger de Mortimer, deemed by some to have been son of William de Warren, and by others, of Walter de St. Martin, brother of that William, was founder of the abbey of St. Victor, in Normandy. "It is reported," says Dugdale, "that in the year 1054 (which was twelve years before the Norman Conquest), when Odo, brother of Henry, King of France, invaded the territory of Evreux, Duke William sent this Roger, then his general (with Robert, Earl of Ewe, and other stout soldiers), to resist his attempts; who meeting with Odo near to the castle of Mortimer, gave him battle, and obtained a glorious victory. It is further observable of this Roger that he was by consanguinity allied to the Norman duke (afterwards king, by the name of William the Conqueror), his mother being niece to Gunnora, wife of Richard, Duke of Normandy, great grandmother to the Conqueror." The presumed son of this Roger, Ralph de Mortimer, accompanying the Duke of Normandy in his expedition against England, was one of his principal commanders at the decisive battle of Hastings. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, p. 382, Mortimer, Barons Mortimer, of Wigmore, Earls of March]
Roger married Hawise De VEXIN 2435 before 1054.2436 Hawise was born about 1042 in Vexin, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 2436. Another name for Hawise was Hawise De VALOIS.
The child from this marriage was:
64354912801. Hawise De VEXIN,415,2435 daughter of Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN and Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE, was born about 1042 in Vexin, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 2436. Another name for Hawise was Hawise De VALOIS.
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], provided the
following on Hawise in a post-em, which casts doubt as to her identity:
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I also list her & her ancestry as you do, BUT:
This derivation (Hawise De Valois) for the wife of Roger de Mortimer is almost certainly wrong... As best I recall, she is simply Hawise, origin unknown. [Ref: Todd A. Farmerie <[email protected]> message to Gen Medieval 23 Jul 1998]
ES Volume III band 4 page 657 gives Raoul III de Valois, Count de Valois, Crepy, Vexin, etc. he married Adele de Bar-sur-Aube as his first wife. He had only children by her, not with wife 2 or 3. These children are Gautier, Simon and three daughters. The daughters come into the question, NN (Elisabeth) is married to Barthelemy de Broyes, Adele married Heribert de Vermandois, Adelaide married Thibault de Blois. Turton, in his Plantagenet Ancestry, gives an additional daughter. On page 76 he mentions Hawise de Vexin (daughter of Raoul III and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube) who married Roger de Mortimer, he died 1076. Their son, Ralph died circa 1105 and married Milicent. [Ref: Leo van de Pas <[email protected]> message to Gen Medieval 9 Aug 1998]
The complete Peerage article on the Mortimers, ix, p. 267, identifies Roger de Mortimer's wife only as "Hawise." As you say, ES iii, 657 does not list any Hawise as daughter of Raoul III of Vexin. I assume Turton, p. 76 is in error. [Ref: Alan B. Wilson <[email protected] > message to Gen Medieval 9 Aug 1998]
Hawise married Roger De MORTIMER 2234,2421,2435 before 1054.2436 Roger was born about 1030 in Mortemer-Sur-Eaulne, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1086 in Saint-Victor-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2435.
64354912812. Rainfray De RUMILLY 415,2205,2206 was born about 1036 in Remilly (Near St Lo), Manche, Normandy, France. Another name for Rainfray was Rainfray De REMILLY.
Rainfray married.
The child from this marriage was:
64354912816. Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir 415,1899,2437 was born about 1036 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France,1899 died about 1101 in Lechlade, Faringdon, Gloucestershire, England 1656 about age 65, and was buried in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England. Another name for Henry was Henry De FERRIERES Of Tutbury, Sir.
General Notes: Henry de Ferrieres, Sire de Ferrières and Chambrais in Normandy (d), son of Walkelin de Ferrieres (e). He was a Domesday Commissioner, and held at the date of the Survey some 210 lordships or manors, more than half of which were in co. Derby, but the caput of his honour was at Tutbury, then in the district of Burton-on-Trent, co. Stafford. Near Tutbury he founded a priory for benedictine monks. He married Bertha. He was buried at Tutbury. [Complete Peerage IV:190-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(d) Ferrieres and Chambrais (now Broglie), on the Charantonne, in the chief iron-producing district of Normandy. The workers of iron, in this province, were under the jurisdiction of six barons 'fossiers'; these were the barons of Ferrieres, La Ferte Fresnel, and Chaumont, and the abbots of Lyre, St. Wandrille, and St. Evroul. The barons of Ferrieres were style 'premiers barons fossiers', which shows that the forges they had charge of were esteemed the principal, or most ancient. The popular story that Henry de Ferrieres "received his surname from holding the office of master of the farriers in the invading army" is therefore only the truth--a little distorted. Whether the English branch of the family in the twelth century bore, as the heralds say they did, Sable, six horse-shoes Argent (or the same with the tinctures reversed), or whether they bore any arms at all, is another question.
(e) This Walkelin was slain in the civil wars which distracted Normandy during the minority of Duke William.
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Henry Ferrers, son of Walchelin, assumed the name from Ferriers, a small town of Gastinois, in France, otherwise called Ferrieres, from the iron mines with which that country abounded, and, in allusion to the circumstance, he bore for his arms "six horses' shoes," either from the similitude of his cognomen to the French Ferrier, or because the seigneurie produced iron, so essential to the soldier and cavalier in those rude times when war was esteemed the chief business of life, and the adroit management of the steed, even amongst the nobility, the first of accomplishments. Henry de Ferrers came into England with the Conqueror and obtained a grant of Tutbury Castle, in the county of Stafford. According to Stapleton, he was ancestor of the Oakham house of Ferrers, whose memory is preserved by the horseshoes hanging in the hall of their castle. He m. Bertha -----, and had issue, Robert, his heir; Eugenulph, who d. s. p.; and Walkelin, of Radbourne. [John Burke, Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. III, R. Bentley, London, 1834-1838, p. 127, Ferrers, of Baddesley Clinton]
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The first of this eminent family that settled in England was Henry de Feriers, son of Walcheline de Feriers, a Norman, who obtained from William the Conqueror a grant of Tutbury Castle, co. Stafford, with extensive possessions in other shires, of which 114 manors were in Derbyshire. This person must have been of considerable rank, not only from these enormous grants, but from the circumstances of his being one of the commissioners appointed by the Conqueror to make the great survey of the kingdom. He was the founder of the Cluniac priory at Tutbury which he liberally endowed. By Berta his wife he had issue, Egenulph, d. v. p.; William, d. v. p.; Robert, his successor; Gundred; and Emmeline. [Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 196, Ferrers, Earls of Derby]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1086. 1270
Henry married Bertha De L' AIGLE 1656,1899.,2438 Bertha was born about 1044 in Aigle, Orne, Normandy, France and died in Darley, Bakewell, Derbyshire, England. Another name for Bertha was Berthe ROBERTS.
Children from this marriage were:
32177458632 i. Engenulf Or William De FERRIERS (born about 1060 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France)
iii. Amice De FERRERS was born about 1063 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France.
iv. Millicent (Melisande) De FERRERS was born about 1064 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France and died before 30 March 1088 2203.
v. Gundred De FERRERS was born about 1075 in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England. Another name for Gundred was Gundred De FERRAS.
vi. Walchelin (Walkelin) Of RADBOURNE was born in 1086 in Radbourne, Burton-Upon-Trent, Derbyshire, England 2439 and died after 1125 2439. Another name for Walchelin was Walkelin De FERRERS Of Radbourne.
64354912817. Bertha De L' AIGLE 415,1656,1899,2438 was born about 1044 in Aigle, Orne, Normandy, France and died in Darley, Bakewell, Derbyshire, England. Another name for Bertha was Berthe ROBERTS.
General Notes: Adrian Channing suggested that Bertha was of the family l'Aigle. Certainly her father's name would explain the Engenulf, who was her son.
Bertha married Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir 1899.,2437 Henry was born about 1036 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France,1899 died about 1101 in Lechlade, Faringdon, Gloucestershire, England 1656 about age 65, and was buried in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England. Another name for Henry was Henry De FERRIERES Of Tutbury, Sir.
64354912818. Andre I Seigneur De VITRE 415,744,1673,1674,1675 was born about 1065 in Vitre, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 389,390 and died in 1139 1674 about age 74.
Andre married Agnes De MORTAGNE 1676 about 1061 in , Vitré, Îlle-Et-Vilaine, France 389,390,744,1270.,1673 Agnes was born about 1036 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France.389,390 Another name for Agnes was Agnes De MORTAIN.
64354912819. Agnes De MORTAGNE,415,744,1673,1676 daughter of Robert De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall and Maud De MONTGOMERY, was born about 1036 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France.389,390 Another name for Agnes was Agnes De MORTAIN.
Agnes married Andre I Seigneur De VITRE 1674,1675 about 1061 in , Vitré, Îlle-Et-Vilaine, France 389,390,744,1270.,1673 Andre was born about 1065 in Vitre, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 389,390 and died in 1139 1674 about age 74.
64354912820. William "The Elder" PEVEREL Of Nottingham 415,2130,2365 was born in 1050 in Normandy, France and died from 28 January 1113 to 1114 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England 2365 at age 63.
General Notes: Complete Peerage, IV Appendix I.
Of William Peverel of Nottingham, the elder, very little is known. He is usually said to have been an illegitimate son of the Conqueror, but as this statement cannot be traced farther back than to the time of the Tudors, it is worth little, or nothing. His wife's name was Adeline, and he had at least four children -- William, who dvp., another William, who succeeded him, and two daughters, Maud, and Adelise, wife of Richard de Reviers. The Conqueror gave him extensive possessions, afterwards known as the honour of Peverel, consisting of about 100 lordships in cos. Notts and Northants, 14 in co. Derby, and some 20 in cos. Bucks, Leicester, Oxford, Beds, Berks, and Essex. He founded the Priory of St. James at Nottingham and that of Lenton in the same county. In the foundation chater of the latter he stated that it was founded. . . He died 28 Jan 1113/4. [Complete Peerage IV:Appendix I, pp. 761-2]
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The following information was excerpted from a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
The claim has been made that William Peverel was a bastard son of William the Conqueror. The source for this is an old pedigree in which Peverel appears to have been added to the family of William. There is no other documentation which presents a relationship supporting Peverel's placement as a royal bastard (there are a few grants from the king, but there is no indication that these represent anything special). In addition, William had no other documented bastards, which suggests that if he did have any, he didn't bother keeping track of them. The more recent authors that I have seen have tended not to favor such a relationship as being accurate. [Ref: TAF 15 Nov 1996]
Derbyshire and the Domesday Book in 1086
William de Peverel, the next major land holder in Derbyshire, was somewhat of a mystery. There are strong claims he was the bastard son of Duke William of Normandy in a relationship with Maud, daughter of a Saxon noble, Ingleric. Whether this lady was married to Ranulph? before or after the relationship is uncertain. The difficulty in the argument is one of timing. If he, William Peveral, appears in 1068 in charge of Nottingham Castle, he must have been at least twenty years old. That makes this liaison between Duke William and Maud somewhere around 1046 and must have been in Normandy. This is supported by both William and his half brother, Ranulf, both being of age, were recorded at the Battle of Hastings. Nevertheless, William Peveral became the holder of Nottingham Castle, and a further 162 lordships and manors throughout England and Wales, including the Peak Castle in Derbyshire, all granted by Duke William of Normandy. The grant almost blended the distinction of the two counties, Nottingham and Derby and courts of assize were held alternately between the two jurisdictions. The royal relationship of William Peveral was further clouded by Ranulph Peverel, legitmate son of Maud and Ranulph, half brother of William, possibly treated (theoretically) as a stepson? of the Duke, who, surprisingly, was granted 64 manors, almost as many as William Peverel (69 manors) in Nottingham. From Ranulph is descended the distinguished baronial family of Peverel and its many branches. William Peverel, on the other hand, married Adelina, daughter of Roger de Poitou (see Earl of Lancaster, and Lancashire and the Domesday, on this Web Site) and acquired, through her, many lordships in Lancashire, probably a few years after the Domesday around 1094 or soon after. when Roger died. William was succeeded by his second son, William Peverel.
This Peverel mystery could all be wrapped up with some small conjecture. Maud could have been a Saxon lady who was in the train of Edward the Confessor in his thirty year exile in Normandy, and, after the liaison with the Duke, Maud later married Ranulph, a Norman noble in Normandy. This latter's background is unclear, but he must obviously have made the grade at the Norman Court. Hence, both half brothers were of age, and at the Battle of Hastings with the Duke. The Duke was not without favour to both.
William Peverel Holdings; Derbyshire 1086: Abney, Bolsover Bradwell, Codnor, Glapwell, Hazlebadge, Heanor, Hucklow, Langley, Litton, Shirland, South Normanton, South Wingfield, Uftonfields [Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Derbyshire.htm]
In 1086 the Doomsday book was produced and a publication on this book was produced (edited) by Thomas Hinde and published by Hutchinson, ISBN 09 161830 4... From page 338 it gives a list of major landholders and, on page 341
are two very intriguing entries :
Ranulf Peverel, married former mistress of William I (the Conqueror).
Holdings in Berks., Norfolk, Oxon. and Suffolk.
William Peverel. Perhaps illegitimate son of William I by his mistress; took name of Peverel from stepfather, who married her. Large holdings in Notts. and Derbys. Also in six other counties. [Ref: Leo van de Pas 1 Jan 2001]
William Peverel is shown in Domesday People by Keats-Rohan as Willelm Peurel de Nottingeham, where it says of him, that there is no direct evidence of any relationship with Ranulf Peverel... but it is highly likely they were related and possibly quite closely. They both held lordships in west Normandy, Ranuld at Vengeons, Manche, Sourdeval, and William at "Turgistorp". He had a brother, Robert, and by his wife Adeline, he had issue two sons named William, of whom one predeceased him, and a daughter Adeliz who married Richard I de Redvers. He died 28 Jan 1113/14.
Ranulf Peuerel was from Vengeons. His wife Athelida was a confrater of St Albans. Keats-Rohan refers to the "spurious account of this marriage, with Ranulf's wife converted into an Ingelrica, mistress of William I, as printed in Mon. Ang. iii, is unworthy of repetition". His successor was his son William, died before 1129/30. [Ref: Renia Simmonds 2 Jan 2001]
"William the Conqueror" by David C Douglas, Yale University Press, New Haven and London 1964, reprinted 1999 makes no mention of any mistress or bastard children of William the Conqueror. Neither are the Peverels mentioned.
In case anyone is still curious about the legend, a discussion of William Peverel's parentage by the Victorian herald, J.R.Planche, is on Pat Patterson's site at:
http://patpnyc.com/reading.shtml
Planche actually defends the story that William Peverel was an illegitimate son of the Conqueror, despite its having already been rejected by "Eaton" (Eyton?), and by Freeman, "with contempt and indignation". The only sources cited for the story are post-medieval, and Planche's least tenuous piece of corroborative evidence seems to be that William Peverel, when founding a priory, made no provision for his parents' souls, but did so for the souls of King William and Queen Matilda, with other members of the royal family. (If anything, this seems to be an argument in favour of his being a "legitimate" son of the Conqueror!) [Ref: Chris Phillips 2 Jan 2001]
William married Adeline 2130,2365 in 1071. Adeline was born in 1054 in Normandy, France and died from 19 January 1118 to 1119 in England at age 64.
64354912821. Adeline 415,2130,2365 was born in 1054 in Normandy, France and died from 19 January 1118 to 1119 in England at age 64.
Adeline married William "The Elder" PEVEREL Of Nottingham 2130,2365 in 1071. William was born in 1050 in Normandy, France and died from 28 January 1113 to 1114 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England 2365 at age 63.
64354912822. Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche,415,670,1529,1900 son of Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury and Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON, was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1123 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England 1529 at age 65.
Roger married Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE 1529,1900 in 1083 of Poitou, France. Adelmode was born in 1062 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 1116 1529 at age 54.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, After 1079.
64354912823. Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE,415,670,1529,1900 daughter of Alberic III Comte De LA MARCHE and Ponce, was born in 1062 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 1116 1529 at age 54.
Adelmode married Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche 1529,1900 in 1083 of Poitou, France. Roger was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1123 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England 1529 at age 65.
64354912824. William I Baron De BRAOSE Sir 415,998 was born in 1049 in Briouze Near Argentan, Normandy, France and died after 1089 in Bramber, Sussex, England 902.
General Notes: Guillaume de Briouze is recorded in lists of those present at the Battle of Hastings. He became the first Lord of the Bramber Rape by 1073 and built Bramber Castle. William made considerable grants to the abbey of Saint Florent, Saumur to endow the foundation of Sele Priory near Bramber and a priory at Briouze. He continued to fight alongside King William in the campaigns in Britain, Normandy, and Maine.
See remains of gatehouse at Bramber Castle.
William de Braose came into England with the Conqueror and held, at the general survey, considerable estates in the counties of Berks, Wilts, Surrey, Dorset, and Sussex. He was s. by his son, Philip de Braose. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower]
William married Agnes De ST. CLAIR 998 before 1073 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. Agnes was born about 1058 in St Clair-Sur-Elle, Manche, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
32177456412 i. Philip Baron De BRAOSE Sir (born in 1075 in Bramber, Sussex, England - died in 1112 in Holy Land, Palestine)
ii. Miss De BRAOSE was born about 1077 in Bramber Castle, Sussex, England.
64354912825. Agnes De ST. CLAIR,415,998 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1058 in St Clair-Sur-Elle, Manche, Normandy, France.
General Notes: There are two daughters named Agnes. Obviously Agnes could not be married to both William de Braose and Robert de Brus at the same time. Doug Thompson, in a post to SGM, 27 Sep 2002, thought it more likely that she was married to Robert de Brus. Perhaps they were sisters, either named the same (which has happened before), or someone mixed up one of their names? I will represent them as two different people.
Agnes married William I Baron De BRAOSE Sir 998 before 1073 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. William was born in 1049 in Briouze Near Argentan, Normandy, France and died after 1089 in Bramber, Sussex, England 902.
64354912826. Juhel (Jukel\Judeal) De TOTNES & Barnstaple,415,2208,2209 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born in 1059 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England and died after 1123 in Totnes, Devonshire, England 2208. Another name for Juhel was Judeal De TOTENAIS.
Juhel married Miss De PICQUIGNY.2440 Miss was born in 1060 in Picquigny, Somme, Picardy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177456413 i. Aenor De TOTNES (born in 1084 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England)
64354912827. Miss De PICQUIGNY,415,2440 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born in 1060 in Picquigny, Somme, Picardy, France.
Miss married Juhel (Jukel\Judeal) De TOTNES & Barnstaple 2208.,2209 Juhel was born in 1059 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England and died after 1123 in Totnes, Devonshire, England 2208. Another name for Juhel was Judeal De TOTENAIS.
64354912828. Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester 415,1330,2018,2213,2333 was born about 1070 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1129 about age 59. Another name for Walter was Walter Of GLOUCESTER.
Walter married Bertha 2018 in 1087. Bertha was born in 1070 in Frampton-On-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England and died before 1091.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554303 i. Maud Fitzwalter De PITRES Heir Of Ullingswick (born about 1088 in Ullingswick, Bromyard, Herefordshire, England)
Walter next married Emma De BALLON 2441 in 1091. Emma was born about 1070 in Ballon, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
The child from this marriage was:
64354912829. Emma De BALLON,415,2441 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1070 in Ballon, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
Emma married Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester 1330,2018,2213,2333 in 1091. Walter was born about 1070 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1129 about age 59. Another name for Walter was Walter Of GLOUCESTER.
64354912830. Bernard De NEUFMARCHE Lord Of Brecon,415,2442 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1050 in Neufmarche, Seine-Inferiere, Normandy, France and died in 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales 2442 about age 43.
Bernard married Nesta Verch OSBORN.2442 Nesta was born about 1077 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England. Another name for Nesta was Nesta Verch OSBERN.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adam De NEUFMARCHE Of Aberhonwy was born about 1092.
32177456415 ii. Sybil De NEUFMARCHE (born before 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales - died after 1143 in (As A Nun))
Bernard next married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 1055 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
i. William De NEWMARCH Of Aberhonwy was born about 1080 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales.
64354912831. Nesta Verch OSBORN,415,505,2442 daughter of Osbern FITZRICHARD Of Richard's Castle and Nesta Verch GRUFFUDD, was born about 1077 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England. Another name for Nesta was Nesta Verch OSBERN.
Nesta married Bernard De NEUFMARCHE Lord Of Brecon.2442 Bernard was born about 1050 in Neufmarche, Seine-Inferiere, Normandy, France and died in 1093 in Aberhonwy, Breconshire, Wales 2442 about age 43.
64354912864. Humphrey De PONTAUDEMER Seigneur De Vieilles,1778,2234,2443 son of Turulf (Thorold) Seigneur De PONT AUDEMER and Duvelina (Eva\Dulceline) "Not" De CREPON, was born about 980 in Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France,2444 died on 28 September 1044 in Vieilles Landes, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2444 about age 64, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France (As A Monk). Another name for Humphrey was Humphrey De VIEILLES Seigneur De Pont Audemer.
General Notes: HUMPHREY DE VIEILLES (de Vetulis), SEIGNEUR OF VIEILLES AND PONT-AUDEMER in Normandy, son of Thorold, SEIGNEUR OF PONT-AUDEMER (c), was one of the followers of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, and in ducal charters he occurs as a witness among the great lords of Normandy and the adjacent lands. He founded at Préaux, near Pont-Audemer, two monasteries: St. Pierre for monks before 1035, and St. Leger for nuns about 1040. He married Aubreye. He is said to have become a monk at St. Pierre-de-Préaux, and, dying shortly afterwards, was buried there. [Complete Peerage VII:521-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) According to the Continuator of William of Jumieges, Thorold was the son of a certain Torf, and he married either "Wewa" or "Awelina", sisters of Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I.
Humphrey married Aubreye De LA HAYE Heir Of Forest Of Brotonne 1778,2443 about 1005.2444 Aubreye was born about 984 in Forest Of Brotonne, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2444 and died on 20 September 1045 2444 about age 61.
The child from this marriage was:
64354912865. Aubreye De LA HAYE Heir Of Forest Of Brotonne 1778,2443 was born about 984 in Forest Of Brotonne, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2444 and died on 20 September 1045 2444 about age 61.
General Notes: The Forest of Brotonne "located in the last loop of the Seine", is south of the Seine in Normandy, which is mostly the Department of Eure, but the Department of Seine-Maritime (anciently named Seine-Inferieure) crosses the Seine to include this land south of the loop.
Aubreye married Humphrey De PONTAUDEMER Seigneur De Vieilles 1778,2234,2443 about 1005.2444 Humphrey was born about 980 in Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France,2444 died on 28 September 1044 in Vieilles Landes, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2444 about age 64, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France (As A Monk). Another name for Humphrey was Humphrey De VIEILLES Seigneur De Pont Audemer.
64354912866. Waleran III Count Of MEULAN,415,1778,1874,2214,2216,2445 son of Robert II (Hugo) Count Of MEULAN and Adela (Alix) De VEXIN, was born about 990 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 October 1069 1778 about age 79.
Waleran married Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE 1778,2216 before 1015 in 1st Wife 2216.,2445 Ode was born about 990 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1014.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Marie De MEULAN was born about 1007 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France.
32177456433 ii. Adeline De MEULAN (born about 1014 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France - died in 1081 in Sturminster Marshal, Dorsetshire, England)
Waleran next married Aelis 2216 after 1015 in 2ND Wife.2216 Aelis was born about 995 in France.
64354912867. Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE,415,1778,2216 daughter of Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn and Unknown, was born about 990 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1014.
Ode married Waleran III Count Of MEULAN 1778,1874,2214,2216,2445 before 1015 in 1st Wife 2216.,2445 Waleran was born about 990 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 October 1069 1778 about age 79.
64354912932. Renaud De CREIL Chamberlain Of Clermont 670 was born in 1010 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1098 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France at age 88. Another name for Renaud was Renaud De Creil Chamberlain De CLERMONT.
Renaud married Ermengardis Of CLERMONT. Ermengardis was born in 1010 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
32177456466 i. Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT (born in 1030 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France - died in 1101)
ii. Miss De CREIL was born about 1045 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1100 about age 55.
64354912933. Ermengardis Of CLERMONT 670 was born in 1010 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France.
Ermengardis married Renaud De CREIL Chamberlain Of Clermont. Renaud was born in 1010 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1098 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France at age 88. Another name for Renaud was Renaud De Creil Chamberlain De CLERMONT.
64354912934. Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,415,670,1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 son of Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Lesseline, was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.
Hildouin married Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY 1270,2446,2447,2450 in 1031 2448.,2449 Alice was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Raoul Comte De ROUCY was born about 1040 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died in (Dsp).
ii. Ebles II Comte De ROUCY was born about 1044 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died in 1104 1246 about age 60.
64354910925 iii. Adelaide (Adela) De MONTDIDIER (born about 1045 in Guise, Aisne, Picardy, France - died after 1068)
32177456467 iv. Margaret De ROUCY (born in 1045 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France - died in 1110 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France)
v. Adelheid De ROUCY was born about 1049 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France.
vi. Beatrice De MONTDIDIER was born about 1051 in Montdidier, Picardy, France.
vii. Andre De MONTDIDIER Seigneur De Ramerupt was born about 1053 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died after 1105 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France.
viii. Felice Of MONTDIDIER was born about 1055 in Montdidier, Picardy, France and died on 3 May 1123 2156 about age 68.
ix. Ermentrude De ROUCY was born about 1058 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1102. Another name for Ermentrude was Ermentrude De RAMERUPT.
x. Ada (Adele) De ROUCY was born about 1060 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died after 1095 2452. Another name for Ada was Ade De MONTDIDIER.
64354912935. Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY,415,670,1270,2446,2447,2450 daughter of Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY and Beatrix Of HAINAULT, was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1063. 2450
Alice married Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER 1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 in 1031 2448.,2449 Hildouin was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.
64354912962. Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR,415,2453 son of Niel (Nigel) III Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR and Adela D' EU, was born about 1008 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died before 1073 2454. Another name for Niel was Neel I Vicomte De COTENTIN.
General Notes: Paul Reed, citing Rev. Statham's "The Descent of the family of Statham" (London, 1925), only mentions Adele, daughter of William de Vernon as a wife of Niel. However the charter witnessed by Niel and his wife Adele, along with nearly all of their children, took place after all of the children were born. Thus any prior wife would not be indicated. The dates of Niel's 1st children would indicate an earlier wife. The charter did not mention the son Ivo (only sons Roger, William, another William, and Gerard), but did mention two other daughters besides Bilelde (Emma and Mahildis, either one of which could be the daughter that married Robert Bigod).
Niel married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife. Unknown was born about 1007 in France.
Children from this marriage were:
32177553872 i. Ivo Vicomte De COTENTIN (born about 1023 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France)
ii. Niel V (Eudes) Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR was born about 1035 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died in August 1092 about age 57. Another name for Niel was Neel II (Eudes) Vicomte De COTENTIN.
32177456481 iii. Miss De ST. SAUVEUR (born about 1036 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France)
Niel next married Adela De VERNON 2453 before 1059 in 2ND Wife. Adela was born about 1044 in Vernon, Eure, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Billihild (Bilelde) De ST. SAUVEUR was born about 1060 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France.
64354912963. Unknown First WIFE 415 was born about 1007 in France.
Unknown married Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR 2453 in 1st Wife. Niel was born about 1008 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died before 1073 2454. Another name for Niel was Neel I Vicomte De COTENTIN.
64354912964. Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI,1449,2280 son of Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches and Miss Countess Of BAYEUX, was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.
General Notes: Note: Roger Toeni's 1st wife, Stephanie, is questioned by some; especially her 2nd marriage to Garcias of Spain while Toeni was still alive. I agree that it does not make much sense. However
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Roger de Toeni, also called Roger de Conches; fought Muslims in Spain; married 1st? Stephanie (m. 2nd Garsias, King of Spain) sister of Raymond Berenger, Count of Barcelona; married 2nd? Godeheut (m. 2nd Richard, 3rd Count of Evreux), and died 1038 or 1039 in battle against a neighboring noble whose territory he had overrun in a revolt against the succession of William I the Conqueror to his father's Norman possessions on the grounds that William was illegitimate. [Burke's Peerage]
Note: According to BP, Roger married two different women as 1st husband, both married later husbands. There is no explanation given. Did the first marriage end in divorce? As stated above, I am treating the women as the same person.
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ROGER DE TOENI I, styled also DE CONCHES, son and heir, was born probably about 990, for as stated above he was joined with his father in the custody of the castle of Tillières in 1013 or 1014. He was a powerful and haughty man, and banner-bearer of all Normandy. In 1031 or 1032 he attested a charter of Robert I for St. Wandrille. About 1035 he founded the abbey of Chatillon or Conches. While Duke Robert was away on pilgrimage, he went to Spain and distinguished himself in fighting the infidels (b). When he returned to Normandy, he was furious to learn that the boy William had succeeded his father in the Duchy, declaring that a bastard ought not to rule over him and other Normans.
Accordingly he rebelled and ravaged the lands of his neighbours, particularly those of Humphrey de Vieilles; whose son Roger de Beaumont marched against him, and in the battle which followed Roger de Toeni and two of his sons were slain. He was a benefactor to the abbey of I'Estrée and confirmed a gift to the abbey of Lire, and witnessed a charter for Jumièges. He married, perhaps 2ndly,[g] Godeheut, whose parentage is unknown. He died as above, probably in 1038 or 1039, and was buried 1 May at Conches. His widow married Richard, 3rd COUNT OF EVREUX. She was a benefactor to Conches. [Complete Peerage XII/1:755-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(b) Will. de Jumieges, p. 157---by Orderic. In consequence he was styled sometimes Roger of Spain (Orderic, vol i, p. 180; vol iii, p. 338), or Roger the Spaniard (Idem, vol ii, p. 64). However, if the Roger, son of Count Rodulf (cf, p. 755, note "a" above), who according to the Sens Chron. led an army from Normandy to Spain, can be identified with Roger de Toeni, he is said to have gone there at a much earlier date; and after defeating the Saracens, is said to have married a Spanish woman and lived there for 15 years. Then owing to the treachery of the natives he lost most of his men and, leaving his wife in Spain, he returned to Normandy; where he made a concord with Duke Richard, who was displeased at the loss of his army. Afterwards Roger was killed, fighting against a certain neighbor (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, p. 223). This Roger's feats in Spain are recorded also by Ademar, who calls him simply Roger, and does not say how long he stayed there (Idem, p. 156). No other Norman than Roger de Toeni seems to be known, who could be identified with the hero of these stories. Cf. Prentout, op. cit., p. 86. See also p. 755, note (a) above and note (g) below. See "Tony of Belvoir", Charles Evans, "Geneal. Mag.", vol 15, 1968, pp. 616-18. [last sentence, referencing Charles Evans, added by CP XIV:613]
[g] Roger, son of Count Rodulf (see note "b" above), married, in Spain, Stephanie, sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias, King of Spain (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, p. 223). This agrees with the statement of Ademar, that he m. a da. (unnamed) of the widowed Ermensede, Countess of Barcelona ((Idem, p. 156), the mother of Raymond abovenamed. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he married Godeheut while his 1st wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garsias III, King of Navarre, while Roger was living.
Note: The note "a", p. 755, referred to above is under Roger's father, Ralph.
Roger married Stephanie (Adelaide) De BARCELONA 1449,2455,2456 in 1st Husband.1449 Stephanie was born about 1015 in Barcelona, Spain and died in 1051 about age 36.
The child from this marriage was:
Roger next married Godheut 1449,2279 before 1025 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1449.,2279 Godheut was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.
Roger next married Godeheut BORRELL, daughter of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, about 1015 in Conches, Seine-Et-Marne, France. Godeheut was born about 995 in Tosni, France and died after 1077 in Tosni, France.
64354912965. Stephanie (Adelaide) De BARCELONA,415,1449,2455,2456 daughter of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, was born about 1015 in Barcelona, Spain and died in 1051 about age 36.
General Notes:
[g] Roger, son of Count Rodulf married, in Spain, Stephanie, sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias, King of Spain. This agrees with the statement of Ademar, that he m. a da. (unnamed) of the widowed Ermensede, Countess of Barcelona, the mother of Raymond abovenamed. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he married Godeheut while his 1st wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garsias III, King of Navarre, while Roger was living. [Complete Peerage XII/1:756 note (g)]
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Note: Roger Toeni's 1st wife, Stephanie, is questioned by some; especially her 2nd marriage to Garcias of Spain while Toeni was still alive. I agree that it does not make much sense. However, Roger was fighting battles in Spain and could have "married" a Spanish lady whom he later "divorced" when he returned to Normandy. It has been speculated that Stephanie was mother of Robert de Toeni of Belvoir (as opposed to the younger son Robert de Stafford) and of a Berenger de Toeni, whose ancestry is not known, but is likely (especially with the name) to be a son of Roger & Stephanie.
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Following copied from a post by Bryant Smith to the soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup, which supports my take on Garcia's wife:
From: Bryant Smith ([email protected])
Subject: STEPHANIE OF BARCELONA AND HER FOURFATHERS
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-12-12 09:14:14 PST
"Success has a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan" (JFK, misquoting Count Galeazzo Ciano's "Victory finds a thousand fathers but defeat is always an orphan") and by that measure Estafania was moderately successful, for she has found at least four fathers. These four alternative fathers, with samples of their sponsors, are:
1. Bernard-Roger de Foix. Said by TAF to be the "traditional" one, and found as such in ES and, probably based on that, in Brian Tomsett's database, in the Theroff text files, in the Roglo database, and elsewhere. As recently as July 14, 1999, TAF was able to write "... all Iberian works with which I am familiar (and as recent as 1996) are united in calling the Queen of Navarre the daughter, not of Ramon Borrel and Ermesende, but of her brother Bernard, Count of Bigorre, and sister of the Queen of Aragon." This is vintage TAF obscurantism, but becomes clear when you read "Queen of Navarre" as Sephanie the wife of Garcia IV/V Sanchez of Navarre and "Queen of Aragon" as Gerberge, undoubted daughter of Bernard-Roger and wife of Ramiro I Sanchez of Aragon,
2. Ramon I Borel of Barcelona, husband of the Ermesinda rejected by all Iberian works with which TAF was familiar in mid-1999. This past December 8 TAF wrote that the Roger-Bernard paternity "is based on a late source, and a more contemporary one calls her daughter of the Countess Ermesende. (This Catalonian variant has only become popular within the last several years.)" Tempora mutantur et nos in eis mutamur?
3. Ramon Berenguer I of Barcelona, grandson son of Ramon I Borel and Ermesinda. Keats-Rohan is said to have called him the father of Stephanie in K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring in English Documents,1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999), according to Richard Borthwick who said in this NG, January 14 1999 (in an annotated AT of William (II) d' Aubigny of Belvoir) that "The wife of Roger was Estefania/Stephanie (not Adelaide) sister of Ramon Berenguer I and not his daughter as claimed by Keats-Rohan."
4. Berenguer Ramon I of Barcelona, son of #2 and father of #3. This is Borthwick's horse and is, incidentally, also backed by a pre-1996 Iberian work with which TAF was evidentally unfamiliar in 1999, even though it had been mentioned in this NG on 19 January 1997 by Valerio P. Lucchinetti: "According to Diccionario de Historia de Espana, dir.by German Bleiberg, Madrid 1979, Queen Estefania, wife of King Garcia IV of Navarre (k.a.Atapuerca 1054) was the dau. of Ct Berenguer Ramon I of Barcelona and she married King Garcia in Barcelona in 1038."
It is striking that three generations of the counts of Barcelona find places at the starting gate. Perhaps for want of reliable dates of births and marriages (death dates are fairly well-established but not dispositive of the issue), there is no apparent chronological impossibility to lay against any of the runners. Bernard de Foix, as a brother of Ermesinda, must have been roughly contemporary with her and with her husband Ramon I Borel. Since historians and genealogists were evidently comfortable with Bernard until quite recently, it must be supposed that the chronology raised no eyebrows, and hence we could say that Ramon Borel should be equally welcome on any chronological grounds, and that in some sense a burden of persuasion increases as we drag Stephanie forward in time from that generation's children.
It would be nice to know more about the "more contemporary" source TAF mentions which calls Stephanie the daughter of Ermesinde; however I suppose it is not conclusive, otherwise TAF would not have treated Bernard-Roger de Foix as still in the race, as he recently did, as we shall see in a moment.
Maria Emma Escobar has given us a priceless document in Stephanie's will. She posted it as definitive of the children of Stephanie but in the present context it is the names themselves that are of crucial importance, for as TAF has elaborated, the heirs all appear to be namesakes of fairly near relations of Stephanie or of Garcia. The will mentions eight children, six of them having names found among the relations of Garcia. Here is what TAF found, converting the relation-labels' referents from the children to Garcia:
Sancho - Garcia's father
Mayor - Garcia's mother
Ramiro - Garcia's brother
Fernando - Garcia's brother
Jimena - Garcia's sister (or his paternal grandmother)
Urraca - Garcia's maternal grandmother
The other two legatees were named Ermesinda and Raymond/Ramon (lit. Regummendo), and they seem to be related to Stephanie rather than Garcia, but the relationship depends on who her father was.
The first and most appealing case is that they were her own mother and father. This would balance the inclusion of Garcia's parents in the name-list of the will. If instead her father was Berenguer Ramon I, then they would be her father (or paternal grandfather) and her paternal grandmother. If her father was Ramon Berenguer, then they would be her great-grand parents on the paternal-paternal side, but in this case the same Urraca who was Garcia's maternal grandmother would also be Stephanie's maternal grandmother.
Finally, if Stephanie's father was Bernard-Roger de Foix: Ermesinda would appear as Stephanie's paternal aunt and Raymond as her paternal uncle. (TAF discusses and summarizes in this NG on 16 July 1998, Stasser, Thierry, Autour de Roger de Vieux: les alliances matrimoniales des comtes de Carcassonne, Annales du Midi, 108:165-187, wherein, according to TAF's summary, Bernard is shownto have had siblings: Arsinde m. William, Count of Beziers; Ermessinde; Raymond; Peter; and a sister m. William Amelius.)
On the basis of finding a Raymond among the siblings of Bernard and Ermessinde, TAF suggests that the roster of legatees in Stephanie's will "tends to slightly favor the placement of Estefania as daughter of Raymond Borrell and Ermesenda. However, not strongly, because the Foix alternative would make Raymond named for paternal uncle and Ermesenda for paternal aunt. Still, I would have expected to see the grandparents' names."
I think the case is much more emphatic than that, that the absence of Bernard-Roger's parents' names (Roger, Adelaide) is not just unexpected but downright telling, especially where one of the alternatives offers her parents' names, another those of her grand-parents, and a third those of her great-grand-parents.
Her husband's siblings were included in the honors list but none of his aunts or uncles. If Stephanie was the daughter of de Foix she had at least four siblings -- Bernard, Gerberge, Clemence, Pierre -- who would have had stature exactly equal to the siblings of Garcia but none of whose names she appears to have given to any of her children.
Some caution may be called for in drawing conclusions from the names in Stephanie's will; I may be reading too much into her choices of names for her children (if it was she who made the choices). But to the extent that the "Garcia side" of the will shows six namesakes closely related to him, the hobgoblin of small minds would call, along with TAF, for a consistency on Stephanie's side.
Finally, when she married Garcia, King of Navarre, she did so, not in Navarre and not in France but in Barcelona. Or at least so says the Diccionario de Historia de Espana, anyway that's what Valerio P. Lucchinetti said it says. A Barcelona wedding would make sense for a daughter of a Count of Barcelona, but would seem a strange venue for a daughter of a count of Bigorre, Foix or Commignes.
The paternity of Stephanie appears to me to be a good occasion for balancing the desire to put a name in a blank space in a pedigree against the desire to learn and take advantage of the educated opinions of experts who do not agree unanimously. In recent discussions here of that issue I took the position that using the software's capacity to allow for multiple parents was better than "NN" or "Unknown" with a note showing the alternatives, because there is a qualitative difference between "totally unknown [we haven't a clue]" and "subject of discussion." I received several useful suggestions for which I am grateful, but my solution will be to enter my choice of most likely parents (Ramon Borel and Ermesinda) as "preferred" parents with "natural" filiation, and to tack on the other sets of possible parents with "unknown" filiations, with appropriate notes on all the alternative parents. In this way the pedigrees (as far as I have them) of all of them will be not only preserved in the database but will not be unattached fragments, and if ever the balance educated opinions of experts changes it will be relatively easy to change the filiations, and in the meantime to give further attention to the implications of the alternatives by simply changing temporarily the "preferred" set of parents.
Saludos
Bryant Smith
Playa Palo Seco
Costa RicaStephanie (m. 2nd Garsias, King of Spain) sister of Raymond Berenger, Count of Barcelona. [Burke's Peerage]
Stephanie married Garcia IV King Of NAVARRE,2455,2456,2457,2458 son of Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE and Munia Of CASTILE, in 1038 in 2ND Husband 2455.,2456 Garcia was born about 1013 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain and died on 1 September 1054 in Battle Of Atapuerca, Spain 2456,2459 about age 41.
Stephanie next married Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI 1449,2280 in 1st Husband.1449 Roger was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.
Stephanie next married Richard D'EVREUX, son of Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen and Havlive (Or Gunnois) Of NORMANDY. Richard was born in 986 in Rouen, France and died on 13 December 1067 at age 81.
64354913016. Murchadh Na LEINSTER,415,2460 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1025 in Leinster, Ireland and died on 8 December 1070 in Dublin, Ireland (Dvp) about age 45.
Murchadh married Sadb MAC BRICC.2460 Sadb was born about 1035 in Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
64354913017. Sadb MAC BRICC,415,2460 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1035 in Ireland.
Sadb married Murchadh Na LEINSTER.2460 Murchadh was born about 1025 in Leinster, Ireland and died on 8 December 1070 in Dublin, Ireland (Dvp) about age 45.
64354913018. Gilla-Michil MAC BRANAIN 415 was born about 1055 in Ireland.
Gilla-Michil married Iuchdelb Hui GAIRBITA. Iuchdelb was born about 1062 in Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
32177456509 i. Orlaith MAC BRANAIN (born in 1080 in Ireland)
64354913019. Iuchdelb Hui GAIRBITA 415 was born about 1062 in Ireland.
Iuchdelb married Gilla-Michil MAC BRANAIN. Gilla-Michil was born about 1055 in Ireland.
64354913020. Gillachomhghalli O'TOOLE,415 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born in 1055 in Leinster, Ireland.
Gillachomhghalli married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177456510 i. Muirchertach Ua Tuathail O'TOOLE (born in 1089 in Leinster, Ireland)
64354913096. Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND,415,417,642,670,1169,1416,2093,2094,2095,2096 son of Duncan I Maccrinan King Of SCOTLAND and Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR Of Northumbria, was born in 1031 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland,389,390,1416,2096 died on 13 November 1093 in Alnwick Castle, Northumbria, England (Slain Besieging) 389,390,1416,2096 at age 62, and was buried in Holy Trinity, Dumferline, Fifeshire, Scotland.389,390
General Notes:
Malcolm III CANMORE (b. c. 1031--d. Nov. 13, 1093, near Alnwick, Northumberland, Eng.), king of Scotland from 1058 to 1093, founder of the dynasty that consolidated royal power in the Scottish kingdom.
The son of King Duncan I (reigned 1034-40), Malcolm lived in exile in England during part of the reign of his father's murderer, Macbeth (reigned 1040-57). Malcolm killed Macbeth in battle in 1057 and then ascended the throne. After the conquest of England by William the Conqueror, in 1066, Malcolm gave refuge to the Anglo-Saxon prince Edgar the Aetheling and his sisters, one of whom, Margaret (later St. Margaret), became his second wife.
Malcolm acknowledged the overlordship of William in 1072 but nevertheless soon violated his feudal obligations and made five raids into England. During the last of these invasions he was killed by the forces of King William II Rufus (reigned 1087-1100). Except for a brief interval after Malcolm's death, the Scottish throne remained in his family until the death of Queen Margaret, the Maid of Norway, in 1290. Of Malcolm's six sons by Margaret, three succeeded to the throne: Edgar (reigned 1097-1107), Alexander I (1107-24), and David I (1124-53). [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
According to Brian Tompsett, "interred at Escorial, Madrid, Spain."
Noted events in his life were:
• Unknown: King of Scotland, 17 March 1057-1093, Abbey, Scone, Perth, Scotland. 390,417
• Unknown: Military, 13 November 1093, Alnwick Castle, Alnwick, Northumberland, England. 390,2097
Malcolm married Ingaborg Von FINNSDOTTIR Queen Of Scotland 2099,2100,2101 in 1059 in <, Atholl, Perth, Scotland> 389,390,2097.,2098 Ingaborg was born about 1023 in Yriar, Austratt, Norway 389,390 and died about 1066 in Scotland 389,390 about age 43.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd husband 1st wife, Abt 1066. 2101
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Abt 1066. 2101 2nd husband 1st wife
Malcolm next married St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland 1416,2096 in 1049 in <, Atholl, Perth, Scotland> 389,390,2096.,2097 St. was born between 1043 and 1045 in Hungary,389,390,1416,2096 died on 16 November 1093 in Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 389,390,1416,2096 about age 50, and was buried in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390 Another name for St. was St. Margaret Of ENGLAND.
64354913097. St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland,415,642,670,774,775,1057,1416,2096,2106,2107,2108 daughter of Edward "The Exile\Aetheling" Prince Of ENGLAND and Agatha Of HUNGARY, was born between 1043 and 1045 in Hungary,389,390,1416,2096 died on 16 November 1093 in Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 389,390,1416,2096 about age 50, and was buried in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390 Another name for St. was St. Margaret Of ENGLAND.
General Notes:
MARGARET OF SCOTLAND, SAINT (b. c. 1045, probably Hungary--d. Nov. 16, 1093, Edinburgh; canonized 1250; feast day November 16, Scottish feast day June 16), queen consort of Malcolm III Canmore and patroness of Scotland.
Margaret was brought up at the Hungarian court, where her father, Edward, was in exile. After the Battle of Hastings, Edward's widow and children fled for safety to Scotland. Her brother Edgar the Aetheling, defeated claimant to the English throne, joined her there. In spite of her leanings toward a religious life, Margaret married (c. 1070) Malcolm III Canmore, king of Scotland from 1057 or 1058 to 1093. Through her influence over her husband and his court, she promoted, in conformity with the Gregorian reform, the interests of the church and of the English population conquered by the Scots in the previous century. She died shortly after her husband was slain near Alnwick, Northumberland. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
St. married Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND 1416,2096 in 1049 in <, Atholl, Perth, Scotland> 389,390,2096.,2097 Malcolm was born in 1031 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland,389,390,1416,2096 died on 13 November 1093 in Alnwick Castle, Northumbria, England (Slain Besieging) 389,390,1416,2096 at age 62, and was buried in Holy Trinity, Dumferline, Fifeshire, Scotland.389,390
64354913124. Geoffrey II De RANCON,2229 son of Geoffrey I De RANCON and Bourgogne, was born about 1062 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1137 2229 about age 75.
Geoffrey married Fosulegic.2229 Fosulegic was born about 1065.
The child from this marriage was:
64354913125. Fosulegic 2229 was born about 1065.
Fosulegic married Geoffrey II De RANCON.2229 Geoffrey was born about 1062 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1137 2229 about age 75.
64354917188. William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville,415,1651,2274,2275 son of Mr. MALET Sire De \Graville\ and Daughter Of Leofric Earl Of MERCIA, was born in 1023 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1071 in Yorkshire, England 2274 at age 48.
General Notes:
William Malet, of Granville, Normandy; also held lands in Lincs before 1066 (possibly by virtue of his mother's putative status of Englishwoman); granted the feudal Barony of Eye, Suffolk, following the Conquest, in which he was one of William I's chief lieutenants, being allegedly given the task by William of burying Harold's body after Hastings; Sheriff of Yorks 1068; married Hesilia Crispin (living 1086), gggdau of Rollo The Dane, Duke of Normandy, and died c1071. [Burke's Peerage]
According to Crispin and Macary, "William (Guillaume) Malet de Graville stands out as one of the most imposing figures at the Conquest. There can be no doubt about his presence there, which is subscribed to by William of Poitiers, Guy of Amiens, Orderic Vital, and all the historians of this epoch. So much has been placed on record concerning him that just a few facts of his life will be recited here. He was probably descended from Gerard, a Scandinavian prince and companion of Duke Rollo, which gave the name of the fief of Gerardville or Graville, near Havre. Robert, the eldest son, occurs in a document of about 990 in Normandy. On his mother's side William Malet was of Anglo-Saxon origin, for she was probably the daughter of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and Godwa or Godgifu, the supposed sister of Thorold the Sheriff in the time of Edward the Confessor, and therefore the aunt of Edwin and Morcar, Earls of Northumberland. He was nearly killed in the battle of Hastings but was rescued by the sire de Montfort and William of Vieuxpont, and was appointed by William the Conqueror to take charge of the body of Harold, a statement that has been disputed. The consensus of opinion favors it, and it is most logical if William Malet's mother was as stated the sister of Algar II., 7th Earl of Mercia, who was the father of Alditha, wife of Harold. He accompanied King William at the reduction of Nottingham and York in 1068, for which he was rewarded with the shreivalty of land in that county. Gilbert de Gand and Robert Fitz Richard were also commanders in this expedition. The following year he was besieged in the castle of York by Edgar, the Saxon prince, and was only saved from surrender by the timely arrival of the Conqueror. In the same year he was attacked by the Danes, who captured the city of York with great slaughter and took William Malet, his wife and children, prisoners, but their lives were spared, as was that of Gilbert de Gand, for the sake of their ransoms. There is evidence that he was slain in this year, but it is uncertain and the date of his death is unknown. An entry in Domesday that "William Malet was seized of this place (Cidestan, Co. Suffolk), where he proceeded on the King's service where he died," would indicate that his death occurred during the compilation of that book. He was witness to a charter of King William to the church of St. Martin-le-Grand, in London, and is there styled "princeps," which title, however, was honorary and not hereditary, having ceased with his death."
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William Malet, or Guillaume, as he may have been called, "Sire de Graville", came from Graville Sainte Honorine between Le Havre and Harfleur, in what is today the French province of Normandy. He is said to have had a Norman father and a Saxon (read English) mother, and had some sort of association with King Harold of England before the conquest. William, through his Saxon mother, may actually have been related to King Harold, and also to the well known Lady Godiva. It is also possible that William and Harold were both God fathers of Duke William of Normandy's daughter, Abela.
The Malet Castle at Graville Sainte Honorine had an important strategic location, at the mouth of the Seine. It has now fallen into the sea, though some remnants of it may still be visible. A large section of wall with large iron rings attached was still there just over 100 years ago. The Abbey church, in which some of the Malets are buried, is now in the town of Le Havre. Though William Malet had connections to both sides in the conflict to come, his main allegiance was to Duke William of Normandy.
William fought with distinction at Hastings, as the following Excerpt from Wace's "Roman de Rou" attests:
William whom they call Mallet,
Boldly throws himself among them;
With his flashing sword
Against the English he makes furious onset;
But his shield they clove,
And his horse beneath him killed,
And himself they would have slain,
When came the Sire de Montfort
And Lord William de Vez-Pont
With the great force which they had,
Him they bravely rescued.
There many of their men they lost;
Mallet they remounted on the field
On a fresh war-horse.
When the battle was over, Duke William entrusted William Malet to attend to the burial of the dead English king. The body was buried under a heap of stones on top of a cliff at Hastings overlooking the shore that Harold had so bravely defended. William placed a stone on the grave with the epitaph:
"By command of the Duke, you rest here a King, O Harold, that you may be guardian still of the shore and sea". This burial of Harold was only temporary and the body was later re-buried at Harold's Abbey at Waltham.
William and his brother Durand held lands in Lincolnshire, England, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, and through the reign of Harold right up to the conquest, in addition to those in Normandy. These Lincolnshire holdings, all in the Danelaw, probably came from William and Durand's mother. After the conquest William's English holdings were greatly increased, again, principally in the Danelaw, as English lands were taken from their Saxon owners and handed over to Norman Barons. It is likely that Duke William conferred these estates on William, partly because of his loyalty and skill in battle, but also because of his prior connections with his Danish "cousins" there. Perhaps the Duke felt that William was the best man to bring these proud, warlike and independent settlers under the control of their new King.
William was dead at the time of the Domesday survey in 1086, but the holdings at that time of his son Robert, and of his wife, give a good indication of the extent of his estates. He held large parts of what are today Suffolk and Norfolk, with smaller amounts of land in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Eye, in Suffolk appears to have been William's stronghold. Here he built a Motte and Bailey castle, after the Norman fashion. Nothing remains of the Norman fortifications, but the outline of the baileys and "Castle Mound", are still evident. There is even a slight indication of where the Market, founded by William Malet under Royal License would have been held.
William married Hesilia Crispin, by whom he had two sons, Robert and Gilbert, and one daughter, Beatrice. Robert and possibly Gilbert, along with their uncle Durand, accompanied their father at the battle of Hastings. The arms shown at the top of the page, likely carried by the Malets at Hastings, were used by many generations of the Malet family, both in England and in France, and can be seen on the Bayeux tapestry.
William was made Sheriff of York and granted considerable lands in Yorkshire following the building of the first Norman castle there (the mound now supports 'Clifford's Tower') in 1068. He and his fellow captains, Robert Fitz-Richard and William of Ghent, with 500 picked knights had to fight off a local revolt, headed by Edgar the Atheling; this in or shortly after January 1069. Robert Fitz-Richard and many of his men were killed and it was only by the timely arrival of King William that the City was saved. The natives remained restless and had another, token go, as soon as King William left but were quickly put down. The troops were strengthened and another castle built on the other side of the river from the original but, notwithstanding, in September 1069, William, his wife and two of his children were captured by a combined force of Danes and English under Sweyn of Denmark supported by Earls Waltheof and Gospatric and the Northumbrians, when York fell to them after a terrible fight. This led to King William ordering the burning and killing of everything in the north and Domesday, even 16 years later, records most of northern England as still being waste and uninhabited.
William, his wife and two children must have been released some time later and William retained most of his lands apart from those in Yorkshire, which will have come with the office of Sheriff, which had been taken from him. At some point the King awarded William the appellation of "Princep", and in the Chart granted by the King to the church of St. Martin le Grand, his signature appears as "Wilielmus Malet Princep". In the context of the times, Princep would likely have been interpreted as "leader, or chief". William is believed to have died fighting "Hereward the Wake" in the Fens near Ely Cathedral, which lies between South Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk (and in the middle of the Malet holdings), in 1071. The Domesday book records that "...He went into the marsh", and that "...he went on the King's service, where he died".
William is generally accepted to be the progenitor of many of the various branches of the Malet family (those that can trace their lines back that far), both in England and in France. The descendants of Durand continued to hold lands in Lincolnshire, and are recorded in Irby on Humber up to the 16th century.
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NORMAN SHERIFFS
By 1066, when William the Conqueror seized power, he replaced all of the existing sheriffs with his own loyal comrades in arms. When William conveyed the offices of sheriff to his Normans, he also bestowed to them the title "Vicomte," which added nobility to their positions. He allowed Vicomte sheriffs to build castles, a powerful symbol of privilege and a far greater honor than had ever been granted to prior Anglo-Saxon sheriffs. The castles were a sign of aggressive force. This fortification symbolism helped identify William as the incomparable authority in the newly conquered land.
The most famous William the Conqueror sheriff was a man named William Malet, a ferocious warrior. During the Battle of Hasting his horse was killed from under him. Mounting a fresh horse, he continued leading the charge, killing the enemy along the way, to a Norman victory. William continued to use Malet to crush insurgent forces within his reign.. . . As a reward, William named Malet the sheriff of Yorkshire.
King William sought aggressive types for the office of sheriff whose ambitions were consistent with his. Those willing to squeeze the peasants to their maximum were the best qualified in William's eyes. He instituted the practice of selling the office to the highest bidder. This brought forth evil men willing to pay exorbitant prices for the office and then willing to do whatever it took to recoup their investment. . . No one spoke out for the peasantry because their only representative to the king was the very sheriffs embezzling them. The most notorious was Picot, Sheriff of Cambridgeshire. . . . Monks describe him as:
a hungry lion, a prowling wolf, a crafty fox, a filthy swine, a dog without shame, who stuffed his belly like an insatiable beast as though the whole country were a single corpse.
If events reduced production within the shires and thereby reduced the prosperity of King William, the sheriff was then forced to press the peasants even more to make up for the deficiency. In 1083, William levied the highest tax assessment of his reign to make up for the previous year's famine and low production. . . . To enhance their income, sheriffs commonly pillaged Church properties. . . .
The only coin in circulation in twelfth century England was the silver penny. It was the responsibility of the sheriff to police the silver content in the coinage. If the sheriff failed to see that the tender did not meet quality assurance in the amount of silver content versus the alloy percentage, he was held personally liable for the shortage. Because this burden was placed on the sheriffs in the area that effected them the most, their pocketbooks. . . .Enforcement of the matter was particularly unkind under the reign of King Henry II to punish offenders that circulated "bastard" coins. The first offense routinely resulted in the severing of a hand or castration. . . .
The coming of King John in 1199 brought about one of the most stirring periods in the history of the medieval sheriff. . . . As King John waged war against the Welsh, the French, and the Irish, he placed the emphasis upon the sheriffs to finance his wars. . . . Because of the sheriff's authority and ability to raise funds, the 13th century saw the sheriff as the most powerful administrative force in medieval England. . . .
King John personally knew every one of the 100 or so sheriffs that he appointed between 1199 and 1216. Some were his intimate friends and most trusted advisors. In contrast to the prior practice of King Richard, he appointed only two members of the Church to the post. He instead chose to select intense, secular men, with strong military backgrounds. . . . His deliberate selection of men of harsh demeanor . . . was considered by people of his time as a substantive answer for the difficult issues of the day . . . tough men for tough times. . .
William married Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN 2275.,2276 Hesilia was born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1086 2275.
64354917189. Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN,415,2275,2276 daughter of Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec and Gunnora D' AUNOU, was born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1086 2275.
Hesilia married William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville 1651,2274.,2275 William was born in 1023 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1071 in Yorkshire, England 2274 at age 48.
64354917264. Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir 415,1899,2437 was born about 1036 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France,1899 died about 1101 in Lechlade, Faringdon, Gloucestershire, England 1656 about age 65, and was buried in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England. Another name for Henry was Henry De FERRIERES Of Tutbury, Sir.
General Notes: Henry de Ferrieres, Sire de Ferrières and Chambrais in Normandy (d), son of Walkelin de Ferrieres (e). He was a Domesday Commissioner, and held at the date of the Survey some 210 lordships or manors, more than half of which were in co. Derby, but the caput of his honour was at Tutbury, then in the district of Burton-on-Trent, co. Stafford. Near Tutbury he founded a priory for benedictine monks. He married Bertha. He was buried at Tutbury. [Complete Peerage IV:190-1, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(d) Ferrieres and Chambrais (now Broglie), on the Charantonne, in the chief iron-producing district of Normandy. The workers of iron, in this province, were under the jurisdiction of six barons 'fossiers'; these were the barons of Ferrieres, La Ferte Fresnel, and Chaumont, and the abbots of Lyre, St. Wandrille, and St. Evroul. The barons of Ferrieres were style 'premiers barons fossiers', which shows that the forges they had charge of were esteemed the principal, or most ancient. The popular story that Henry de Ferrieres "received his surname from holding the office of master of the farriers in the invading army" is therefore only the truth--a little distorted. Whether the English branch of the family in the twelth century bore, as the heralds say they did, Sable, six horse-shoes Argent (or the same with the tinctures reversed), or whether they bore any arms at all, is another question.
(e) This Walkelin was slain in the civil wars which distracted Normandy during the minority of Duke William.
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Henry Ferrers, son of Walchelin, assumed the name from Ferriers, a small town of Gastinois, in France, otherwise called Ferrieres, from the iron mines with which that country abounded, and, in allusion to the circumstance, he bore for his arms "six horses' shoes," either from the similitude of his cognomen to the French Ferrier, or because the seigneurie produced iron, so essential to the soldier and cavalier in those rude times when war was esteemed the chief business of life, and the adroit management of the steed, even amongst the nobility, the first of accomplishments. Henry de Ferrers came into England with the Conqueror and obtained a grant of Tutbury Castle, in the county of Stafford. According to Stapleton, he was ancestor of the Oakham house of Ferrers, whose memory is preserved by the horseshoes hanging in the hall of their castle. He m. Bertha -----, and had issue, Robert, his heir; Eugenulph, who d. s. p.; and Walkelin, of Radbourne. [John Burke, Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. III, R. Bentley, London, 1834-1838, p. 127, Ferrers, of Baddesley Clinton]
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The first of this eminent family that settled in England was Henry de Feriers, son of Walcheline de Feriers, a Norman, who obtained from William the Conqueror a grant of Tutbury Castle, co. Stafford, with extensive possessions in other shires, of which 114 manors were in Derbyshire. This person must have been of considerable rank, not only from these enormous grants, but from the circumstances of his being one of the commissioners appointed by the Conqueror to make the great survey of the kingdom. He was the founder of the Cluniac priory at Tutbury which he liberally endowed. By Berta his wife he had issue, Egenulph, d. v. p.; William, d. v. p.; Robert, his successor; Gundred; and Emmeline. [Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 196, Ferrers, Earls of Derby]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1086. 1270
Henry married Bertha De L' AIGLE 1656,1899.,2438 Bertha was born about 1044 in Aigle, Orne, Normandy, France and died in Darley, Bakewell, Derbyshire, England. Another name for Bertha was Berthe ROBERTS.
64354917265. Bertha De L' AIGLE 415,1656,1899,2438 was born about 1044 in Aigle, Orne, Normandy, France and died in Darley, Bakewell, Derbyshire, England. Another name for Bertha was Berthe ROBERTS.
General Notes: Adrian Channing suggested that Bertha was of the family l'Aigle. Certainly her father's name would explain the Engenulf, who was her son.
Bertha married Henry De FERRERS Of Tutbury, Sir 1899.,2437 Henry was born about 1036 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France,1899 died about 1101 in Lechlade, Faringdon, Gloucestershire, England 1656 about age 65, and was buried in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England. Another name for Henry was Henry De FERRIERES Of Tutbury, Sir.
64355107360. Hugues De MONTGOMERY,415,1120,1968,2234 son of Roger De MONTGOMERY and Unknown, was born about 975 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died from before 7 February 1049 to 1050 in St-Foye-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France 1968.
Hugues married Joscelina De ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE 1120,1968,2234 about 994 1120.,1968 Joscelina was born about 978 in St. Vaast D'equiqueville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Joscelina was Josceline De PONTAUDEMER.
The child from this marriage was:
64355107361. Joscelina De ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE,415,1120,1968,2234 daughter of Forester Of ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE and Senfrie (Sainfrie) De CREPON, was born about 978 in St. Vaast D'equiqueville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Joscelina was Josceline De PONTAUDEMER.
General Notes: Turton has Josceline as daughter of Tourade de Pont-Audemer, by Eva/Dulcine de Crepon, but Todd A. Farmerie & Alan B. Wilson, citing later work, state that she was daughter of Senfrie "not" de Crepon by a Forester of St. Vaast.
Joscelina married Hugues De MONTGOMERY 1120,1968,2234 about 994 1120.,1968 Hugues was born about 975 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died from before 7 February 1049 to 1050 in St-Foye-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France 1968.
64355107364. William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon,415,1120,1372,1375,2235 son of Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME and Godchilde De PONTHIEU, was born about 965 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1375 and died in 1028 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France 1120 about age 63. Another name for William was Guillaume I 1St Comte D' ALENCON.
William married Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU 1120,1372,1375 1372.,1375 Maud was born about 968 in Conde-Sur-Noirau, France and died in 1024 about age 56.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:52758
Children from this marriage were:
ii. John IV LE STRANGE was born of Knockin, Shropshire, England and died on or bef 26 Feb 1275/76 760.
iii. Warin (Guerin) De Belleme De DOMFRONT was born about 990 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France,1375 died in 1026 1375 about age 36, and was buried in Comte Du Perche..1372,1375 Another name for Warin was Warin (Guerin) De BELLEME De Domfront.
iv. Hawise LE STRANGE was born of Knockin, Shropshire, England.
64355107365. Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU 415,1120,1372,1375 was born about 968 in Conde-Sur-Noirau, France and died in 1024 about age 56.
Maud married William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon 1120,1372,1375,2235 1372.,1375 William was born about 965 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1375 and died in 1028 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France 1120 about age 63. Another name for William was Guillaume I 1St Comte D' ALENCON.
64355107366. Raoul II De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Maine,415,2461,2462 son of Raoul I De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Mans and Godehilde, was born in 965 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1013 in Ste-Suzanne, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Other names for Raoul were Raoul II De Beaumont Vicomte Du MAINE, and Raoul III De ST. SUZANNE Vicomte Du Maine.2461
Raoul married Godehilde (Godehelt) De BELLEME.2463 Godehilde was born about 968 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Emmeline De ST. SUZANNE Dame De Basoges was born about 985 in Bazoges, Vendee, Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in Ste. Christine, Vendee, Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
32177553683 ii. Hildeburg De ALENÇON (born in 995 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died about 1067)
iii. Raoul III De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Maine was born about 993 in Ste-Suzanne, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 1040 in Beaumont-Sur-Sarthe(Le-Vicomte), Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2464.
iv. Hubert I Vicomte Du MANS was born about 997 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
64355107367. Godehilde (Godehelt) De BELLEME,415,2463 daughter of Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME and Godchilde De PONTHIEU, was born about 968 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France.
Godehilde married Raoul II De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Maine 2461.,2462 Raoul was born in 965 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1013 in Ste-Suzanne, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Other names for Raoul were Raoul II De Beaumont Vicomte Du MAINE, and Raoul III De ST. SUZANNE Vicomte Du Maine.2461
64355107368. Enguerrand I Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120,2465 son of Lord Of Abbeville Hugues I Comte De PONTHIEU and Gisèle Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 985 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died about 20 September 1045 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 2466 about age 60. Another name for Enguerrand was Enguerrand De MONTREUIL.
General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, [email protected], writes in a post-em:
Hi Jim,
Re: Enguerrand d. BEF 1004.
Moriarty shows he married Adele 1033 (p113) or after 1033 (p55). This would of course affect your estimated dates of birth of his children.
His date of death is:
Abt Sep 20 1045 [Ref: Watney p799]
(1045) [Ref: ES II:2] 20 or 21.IX .... [Ref: ES III:635]
abt 1045 [Ref: Moriarty p55]
25 Oct 1053 [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
ES = Europaische Stammtafeln (usually the best ref. for European non-English ancestries).
Moriarty = The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa
Watney = The Wallop Family and their Ancestry
Wm. Conqueror = William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England, David C. Douglas
Other notes:
Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
According to later a chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]
Also ES II:11 gives his mother Gisele's b. as (970) = circa 970. That combined with a marriage date of circa 1033 makes Enguerrand birth date of 980 pretty shakey.
Regards,
Curt
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Note: In terms of the death date (25 Oct 1053) at the siege of Arques, I think Curt is referring to Enguerrand II, d. 1053 at the siege of Arque, whom I have as the grandson. Maybe the grandson is the Enguerrand who m. Adele in 1333/4, as his 1st wife, before marrying Adelaid, sister of William I.
Note: Curt's source must have Adele marrying Enguerrand as her 2nd husband, and not as her 1st, as I show it. This may be true, but their supposed son Hugh must have been born well before 1033/4 (probably around 1000) because Hugh (Adele & Enguerrand's son) d. 20 Nov 1052. He would have been born in 1333/4 and be 18 or 19 years old, possible however unlikely. However AR & CP have Hugh's son Enguerrand II, dead at a siege in 1053; this is impossible if his father wasn't born until 1033/4, because he could be at most 6 or 7 years old, assuming his father sired him when only 12 or 13 years old. Enguerrand II married Adelaide, the sister of William the Conqueror and had at least one child before his death, which clearly could not have been at the age of 6 or 7.
This leaves at least 4 possibilities: (1) Hugh, b. c 997, is not a son of Enguerrand I, maybe his brother; (2) Hugh is the son of Enguerrand by an unknown 1st wife (prior to Adlele); (3) Adele did not marry Enguerrand I, but his grandson Enguerrand II as mentioned above; (4) Curt's or my sources are incorrect (I think least likely of the 4 possibilities). I will use possibility (2) until I can get more information about which of the 4 possibilities are true.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1046. 1120
Enguerrand married Adele Of HOLLAND 2467 after 1033 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.1120 Adele was born about 985 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium.2053 Another name for Adele was Adele Of GHENT.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Piers (Peter) De VALOGNES was born after 1033 in Valognes, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1087 of Essex & Hertfordshire, England 2418.
Enguerrand next married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife. Unknown was born about 985 in France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Elisenda De PONTHIEU was born about 1002 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.
32177553684 ii. Hugues II Comte De PONTHIEU (born about 1008 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France - died on 20 November 1052)
64355107369. Unknown First WIFE 415 was born about 985 in France.
Unknown married Enguerrand I Comte De PONTHIEU 1120,2465 in 1st Wife. Enguerrand was born about 985 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died about 20 September 1045 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 2466 about age 60. Another name for Enguerrand was Enguerrand De MONTREUIL.
64355107370. Guerinfroi Seigneur D' AUMALE 415,1120 was born about 966 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Guerinfroi married Hermengarde. Hermengarde was born about 975 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553685 i. Bertha Of AUMALE (born about 1010 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)
64355107371. Hermengarde 415 was born about 975 in France.
Hermengarde married Guerinfroi Seigneur D' AUMALE.1120 Guerinfroi was born about 966 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
64355107376. Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2468,2469,2470 son of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 970. 1524,2468
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 985. 2472
• Ruled: 996-1031.
Robert married Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy,1601,2112,2474 daughter of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY, before 1 April 988 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife - Repudiated 992.2473 Rosela was born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe,2475 died from 26 January 1002 to 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium 2112,2475,2476 about age 57, and was buried on 7 February 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium.2476 Other names for Rosela were Rosele, Rosella,2477 Susanna Av IVREA, and Rosala De TOSCANE.
Robert next married Bertha Of ARLES,2478,2479 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, in 995 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Repudiated 998.2472 Bertha was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1001. 2472
Robert next married Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE 1601,2237,2470,2471 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Constance was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adele (Advisa\Avoie\Alais) Princess Of FRANCE was born before November 1005 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2348 and died about 1063 2347. Another name for Adele was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.
ii. Hugues "The Grand" Prince Of FRANCE was born about 1005 in , , , France, died on 18 December 1102 in , Champagne, France about age 97, and was buried in St Corneillier, Compiègne, Flandres.
64354895612 iii. Henry I King Of FRANCE (born in 1006 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France - died on 4 August 1060 in Vitry-Aux-Loges, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France)
vi. Constance Princess Of FRANCE was born in 1014 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.
vii. Bishop Of Auxerre Eudo (Odes) Prince Of FRANCE was born in 1013 in , , , France and died in 1056 at age 43.
Robert next married Queen Of France Bertha Princess Of BURGUNDY 1601 in , , , France. Bertha was born in 967 in Burgundy, , France and died from 16 January 1015 to 1016 at age 48.
64355107377. Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE,415,1601,1746,2237,2470,2471 daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.
Constance married Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE 1601,2468,2469,2470 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Robert was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.
64355107378. Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR,415,2238,2482 son of Geoffrey II Seigneur De SEMUR and Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON, was born about 991 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 1032 about age 41.
Dalmas married Aremburge De NEVERS 2482,2484 in 1015.2483 Aremburge was born before 991 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Aremburge was Aremburge De VERGT.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Renaud De SEMUR-EN-BRIONNAIS was born about 1019 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Renaud was Renaud De SEMUR.
64355107379. Aremburge De NEVERS,415,2482,2484 daughter of Henry Count De NEVERS Duke Of Burgundy and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, was born before 991 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Aremburge was Aremburge De VERGT.
General Notes: Ancestral Roots does not indicate Aremburge's mother, just her father (Henry). One source states that mother was Maud de Chalon, but many other sources doubt whether a marriage between Maud & Henry took place. I have also seen Aremburge as daughter of Gerard de Vergy & Elizabeth de Chalons. I am following Ancestral Roots (at least with the father).
Aremburge married Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR 2238,2482 in 1015.2483 Dalmas was born about 991 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 1032 about age 41.
64355107380. Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona,415,1980,2456 son of Borrell II Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona and Luitgarde De TOULOUSE, was born about. 972 in Barcelona, Spain and died on 25 February 1017 1980 at age 45.
Raymond married Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE 2455,2456 on 20 January 991-992. Ermensinde was born in 975 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died from 1 March 1057 to 1058 at age 82.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Raymond (Ramon) 'The Crooked' BERENGER was born about. 1005 in Barcelona, Spain and died on 26 May 1035 at age 30.
32177553690 ii. Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA (born in 1005 in Barcelona, Spain - died on 26 May 1035 in Barcelona, Spain)
64354912965 iii. Stephanie (Adelaide) De BARCELONA (born about 1015 in Barcelona, Spain - died in 1051)
iv. Godeheut BORRELL was born about 995 in Tosni, France and died after 1077 in Tosni, France.
64355107381. Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE,415,2455,2456 daughter of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL, was born in 975 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died from 1 March 1057 to 1058 at age 82.
General Notes:
During the reign of her husband husband Ramon Borrell presided over assemblies and tribunals, participated in military campagns, and after his death she contuned as regent first for son Berenguer Ramon I and then for grandson Ramon Berenguer I and became the stabilizing factor in the politics of the state. She lived (795-1058). 1741
Ermensinde married Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona 1980,2456 on 20 January 991-992. Raymond was born about. 972 in Barcelona, Spain and died on 25 February 1017 1980 at age 45.
64355107384. Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2485,2486,2487 son of Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.
Otto married Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS 2069,2485,2489 about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Ermentrude was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Matilda Of BURGUNDY was born in 978 in Bourgogne, France and died on 13 November 1005 2490 at age 27. Other names for Matilda were Mathilde De BORGOGNE, and Mathilde De BOURGOGNE.
32177553692 ii. Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY (born about 990 in Bourgogne, France - died on 4 September 1057 in France)
iii. Guy I, Count De MÂCON was born about 984.
v. Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY was born about 995 in Bourgogne, France 2147 and died on 10 November 1068 2147 about age 73. Other names for Agnès were Agnès De BOURGOGNE, Agnaes Of BURGUNDY, Agnes, and Princess Of LOMBARDY.
64355107385. Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,415,1444,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 958 and 959. 2489
Ermentrude married Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins,2069,2491,2492 son of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Richilde Of BURGUNDY, in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Alberic was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Ermengarde De MACON was born about 972 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2493 and died after 1018 2491. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde Of BAR (A Mistake), and2494 Ermengarde De BAR-SUR-SEINE (A Mistake).2493
iii. Beatrice De MACON was born about 975 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.
Ermentrude next married Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY 2485,2486,2487 about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Otto was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.
64355107386. Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1601,1746,2266,2495 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.
General Notes:
Richard II, byname RICHARD The GOOD, French RICHARD le BON (d. 1026/27), duke of Normandy (996-1026/27), son of Richard I the Fearless. He held his own against a peasant insurrection, helped Robert II of France against the duchy of Burgundy, and repelled an English attack on the Cotentin Peninsula that was led by the Anglo-Saxon king Ethelred II the Unready. He also pursued a reform of the Norman monasteries. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]
Richard married Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE 1601,2266 about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Judith was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Duke Of Normandy Richard III De NORMANDIE was born about 997 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died on 6 August 1027 in (Dspl) 2343 about age 30.
ii. Duke & A Monk At Fechamp William Or Nicholas NORMANDY was born in 994 in , Normandy, France and died in June 1025 at age 31.
v. Mauger Seigneur De ST. CLAIR was born about 1005 in St Clair-Sur-Elle, Manche, Normandy, France and died in 1047 about age 42.
vi. Judith De NORMANDY was born about 1007 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
vii. Daughter NORMANDY was born in 998 in , Normandy, France.
viii. Countess Of Flanders Eléonore De NORMANDIE was born about 1009 in Of, , Normandie and died in Y.
ix. Miss Princess Of NORMANDY was born in 1011 in , , Normandie, France and died in June.
Richard next married Poppa D' ENVERMEU 2496 about 1024 of Normandy, Frances.2496 Poppa was born about 970 in France and died after 1024.
The child from this marriage was:
Richard next married Astrid (Margaret) Princess Of DENMARK,2496 daughter of Sven (Sweyn) "Forkbeard" King Denmark & ENGLAND and Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA, after 1017 in 2ND Wife.2496 Astrid was born about 990 in Denmark and died about 1024 about age 34.
Richard next married Duchess Of Envermeu Papia (Popa) NORMANDY 1601 in 1024 in , Normandy, France. Papia was born in 997 in Ponthieu, Picardy, France and died in Y.
Richard next married Princess Of Denmark Estrith Margarite SVENDSDATTER,1601 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, about 1026 in <, , Normandie, France>. Estrith was born about 997 in Of, , , Denmark, died on 9 May, and was buried in Cathedral, Roskilde, Roskilde, Denmark.
64355107387. Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE,415,1601,1746,2266 daughter of Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes and Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU, was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.
Judith married Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2266,2495 about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Richard was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.
64355107388. Gerhard II Count Of METZ,415,2251 son of Adalbert Von Hohenburg Count Of METZ and Judith Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 988 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.
Gerhard married Gisella Of ALSACE.2251 Gisella was born about 990 in Lorraine, France and died in 1045 about age 55.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Gerhard IV Duke Of Alsace Upper LORRAINE was born about 1010 in Alsace & Lorraine, France and died on 4 April 1070 in Remiremont, Vosges, France 2497 about age 60.
32177553694 ii. Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine (born about 1012 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France - died in 1048)
64355107389. Gisella Of ALSACE,415,2251 daughter of Gerhard I Von Hohenburg Count Of ALSACE and Countess Of Lower Alsace Eva LUXEMBOURG, was born about 990 in Lorraine, France and died in 1045 about age 55.
Gisella married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. ?? DE CLIFFORD.
ii. Roger DE CLIFFORD.
Gisella married Gerhard II Count Of METZ.2251 Gerhard was born about 988 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.
64355107390. Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre,415,1988,2118 son of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL, was born about 974 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died on 22 August 1036 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France about age 62. Another name for Bernard-Rodger was Bernard Count Of CONSERANS.
General Notes: Count of Carcassone
Bernard-Rodger married Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE. Gersinde was born about 977 in Bigorre, Spain and died before 1033.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Pierre-Bernard Comte De FOIX was born about 1012 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1038 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France about age 26.
32177553695 iii. Clemence De FOIX (born about 1015 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France)
iv. Estephania De FOIX was born about 1017 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France.
v. Gerberge De BIGORRE was born about 1022 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.
64355107391. Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE,415 daughter of Arnald I Comte De BIGORRE and Unknown, was born about 977 in Bigorre, Spain and died before 1033.
Gersinde married Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre 1988.,2118 Bernard-Rodger was born about 974 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died on 22 August 1036 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France about age 62. Another name for Bernard-Rodger was Bernard Count Of CONSERANS.
64355107400. Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn,415,2498 son of Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 962 of Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France and died in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.
Jean married.
Children from this marriage were:
64354912867 i. Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE (born about 990 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France - died after 1014)
32177553700 ii. Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE (born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France - died about 1066)
iii. Eustace De BURGO Baron Of Tonsburgh was born about 1005 in Tonsburgh, Normandy, France. Another name for Eustace was Eustace De CONTEVILLE.
64355107402. Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE,415,662,1601,1746,2151,2254,2499,2500,2501,2502,2503 son of Thorkell "The Tall" Sprakaleg STYRJORNSSON and Thyra, was born in 978 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1017 in Normandy, France at age 39. Another name for Fulbert was Hulbert De Falaise.
General Notes:
Burgess and tanner of Falaise, France. [William I and the Norm. Conq.]
Some research sources from Paula Evans 1992;
Union with Doda produced Harlette de Falaise. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]
Son of Thorkil Sprakalaeg and Thyra Haraldsdottir; m. Doda of Falaise; father of:
1. Harlette who m. Robert I 'the Magnificent' of Normandy and Herlevin de Conteville
2. Osbern of Falaise
3. Walter of Falaise
4. Reynald of Croy
5. Beatrice de Falaise who m. Robert d'Eu
[Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 dec 2001]
Fulbert married Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND 662,1601,2151,2502,2504 about 1002 of Falaise, Calvados, France. Doda was born about 985 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France. Another name for Doda was Dunra De Falaise.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Walter De FALAISE was born about 1002 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France. Another name for Walter was William De Falaise.
32177553701 ii. Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE (born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France - died in 1050, buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France)
iii. Reynald Of Croy FALAISE was born about 1008 in Croy, Picardie, Flanders and died in Croix, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.
iv. Osbern Of FALAISE was born about 1012 in Falaise, Calvados, France.
v. Beatrice De FALAISE was born about 1022 in Falaise, Calvados, France and died in 1085 of Leicestershire, England about age 63.
64355107403. Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND,415,662,1601,1746,2151,2502,2504 daughter of Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND and Blanaid Nic BRIAN Of Munster, was born about 985 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France. Another name for Doda was Dunra De Falaise.
General Notes:
Concubine of Fulbert of Falaise; mother of Arlette. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 3353b]
Union with Hulbert de Falaise produced Harlette. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]
Dau. of Malcolm II of Alba and Aelgifu of Scotland; m. Fulbert de Falaise; mother of Harlette, Osbern, Walter, Reynald and Beatrice. [Gary Lewis <[email protected], 21 dec 2001]
m. Fulbert of Falaise; mother of Herleve/Arlette, Walter and Reynald. [Bruce D. Johnson <[email protected], 3 Jul 2003]
Doda married Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE 662,1601,2151,2254,2499,2500,2501,2502,2503 about 1002 of Falaise, Calvados, France. Fulbert was born in 978 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1017 in Normandy, France at age 39. Another name for Fulbert was Hulbert De Falaise.
Doda next married.
64355107440. Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes,415,1601,1746,2505 son of Judicael (Juhel) II Berenger Comte De RENNES and Gerberge, was born about 950 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died on 29 June 992 in Killed 2505 about age 42. Another name for Conan was Conan I Of BRETAGNE.
Conan married Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU 1601,2505 in 980 in 2ND Wife 2069.,2506 Ermengarde was born about 963 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 27 June 992 about age 29.
Children from this marriage were:
64355107387 ii. Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE (born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France - died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France)
64355107441. Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2505 daughter of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 963 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 27 June 992 about age 29.
Ermengarde married Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes 1601,2505 in 980 in 2ND Wife 2069.,2506 Conan was born about 950 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died on 29 June 992 in Killed 2505 about age 42. Another name for Conan was Conan I Of BRETAGNE.
64355107442. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.
General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.
Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]
942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]
Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]
'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]
"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]
"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]
During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]
Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON 1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen was born in 967 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France and died from 16 March 1036 to 1037 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1270 at age 69.
iii. Count Of Corbeil Mauger De NORMANDIE was born about 967 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1040 in Corbeil, Marne, Champagne, France about age 73.
iv. Viscountess Beatrice De NORMANDIE was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
v. Queen Of England Emma Of NORMANDY was born in 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died from 6 March 1051 to 1052 in Winchester Cathedral, Hampshire, England 2510 at age 65, and was buried after 6 March 1052 in St Martin's Church, Winchester, Hampshire, England.
vi. Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu was born about 953 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1015 2511 about age 62. Another name for Godfrey was Geoffrey Of Brionne Comte D' EU.
vii. Countess De Blois & Chart Mahaud De NORMANDIE was born about 974 in Of, Normandie and died before 1017. Another name for Mahaud was CHAMPAGNE.
viii. William Of HIESMES Count Of Eu.
ix. Countess Of Brittany Havoise De NORMANDIE was born about 977 in Of, , Normandie, died from 21 February 1033 to 1034 about age 56, and was buried in , Rennes, Bretagne.
x. Hedwig 'Hawise' Of NORMANDY died on 21 February 1033.
xi. Matilda Of NORMANDY died before. 1010.
Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.
Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Daughter Of Richard I De NORMANDY was born about 949 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
v. Pappia Of NORMANDY was born in 980 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.
Richard next married Papia.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Papia.
64355107443. Concubine(S) 415 was born in 935.
Concubine(S) married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 in No Marriage. Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.
64355107648. Ancitel Vicomte Of BESSIN,415,2269 son of Balso Count Of BAYEUX and Unknown, was born about 987 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after 1031 2269. Another name for Ancitel was Ancitel De BAYEUX.
Ancitel married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553824 i. Ranulph Vicomte Of BESSIN (born about 1017 in Bessin, Calvados, Normandy, France)
64355107650. Duke Of Normandy Richard III De NORMANDIE,415,1601,1746,2352 son of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, was born about 997 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died on 6 August 1027 in (Dspl) 2343 about age 30.
General Notes:
Richard III of Normandy was the son of Richard II, who died in 1027, leaving the Duchy of Normandy to his eldest son. Although the eldest son, Richard mysteriously died soon after his father, leaving the duchy to his younger brother Robert I, sixth Duke of Normandy and direct ascendant of the present-day British royal family. Richard reigned for a small amount of months and never really had any effect on the Duchy of Normandy. 2512
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 3 February 1026-1027. 2352 Possibly poisoned after subduing revolt by brother Robert
Richard married Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE 1601,2112,2343,2346,2347,2348 from January 1026 to 1027 in Contract, Not Married.2343 Adélaïde was born in 1009 in Of, Nevers, Bourgogne,2348 died from 8 January 1078 to 1079 in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France 2343,2347 at age 69, and was buried in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France. Another name for Adélaïde was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.
Richard next married Unknown MISTRESS. Unknown was born about 1000 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553825 i. Alice Of NORMANDY (born about 1021 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)
Richard next married Concubine #2 Ms. Richard III NORMANDIE 1601 in Not Married. Ms. was born in <, , Normandie, France> and died in Y.
Richard next married Concubine #1 Ms. Richard III NORMANDIE 1601 about 1016 in Not Married. Ms. was born in <, , Normandie, France> and died in Y.
Richard next married Concubine #3 Ms. Richard III De NORMANDIE 1601 about 1020 in Not Married. Ms. was born about 1000 in , , Normandie, France and died in Y.
64355107651. Unknown MISTRESS 415 was born about 1000 in France.
Unknown married Duke Of Normandy Richard III De NORMANDIE 1601.,2352 Richard was born about 997 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died on 6 August 1027 in (Dspl) 2343 about age 30.
64355107652. Thurstan (Toustein) Le GOZ Viscount Of Hiemes,415,2079,2513 son of Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ and Unknown, was born about 990 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France. Another name for Thurstan was Turstan Goz Of CREULLY Viscount D'avranches.
General Notes: HUGH D'AVRANCHES, EARL OF CHESTER
The Conqueror and His Companions
by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.
The third son of Gerlotte was Ansfrid the Dane, the first Vicomte of the Hiemois, and father of Ansfrid the second, surnamed Goz, above mentioned, whose son Turstain (Thurstan, or Toustain) Goz was the great favourite of Robert Duke of Normandy, the father of the Conqueror, and accompanied him to the Holy Land, and was entrusted to bring back the relics the Duke had obtained from the Patriarch of Jerusalem to present to the Abbey of Cerisi, which he had founded. Revolting against the young Duke William in 1041 (Vide vol. i, p. 21), Turstain was exiled, and his lands confiscated and given by the Duke to his mother, Herleve, wife of Herluin de Conteville.
Thurstan married Judith (Turuvia?) De MONTANOLIER 2513 about 1014. Judith was born about 995 in Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
32177553826 i. Richard Le GOZ Viscount D'avranches (born about 1014 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France - died after 1084)
ii. Robert BIGOD Of Avranches was born about 1015 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France 1924 and died in 1071 about age 56.
64355107653. Judith (Turuvia?) De MONTANOLIER 415,2513 was born about 995 in Normandy, France.
Judith married Thurstan (Toustein) Le GOZ Viscount Of Hiemes 2079,2513 about 1014. Thurstan was born about 990 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France. Another name for Thurstan was Turstan Goz Of CREULLY Viscount D'avranches.
64355107654. Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE,415,891,1601,1746,2252,2253 son of Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn and Unknown, was born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 1270 about age 65.
Harlevin married Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE 891,1062,1601,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 in 1035 in 1st Husband. Herleve was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
64355107655. Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE,415,891,1062,1601,1746,2252,2253,2254,2255,2256,2257,2258,2259,2260 daughter of Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE and Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND, was born about 1003 in Falaise, Calvados, France, died in 1050 about age 47, and was buried in Grestain Abbey, Normandy, France. Another name for Herleve was Herleve, Harlotte.
General Notes:
Said to have m. Gilbert, count of Brionne, and to be the mother of his sons, Richard and Baldwin. [Falaise Roll, p. 81]
Liaison with Robert I of Normandy produced William I, Duke of Normandy, and Adelheid. [Ped. of Charlemagne, Vol. I, p. 269-70]
Sister and heiress of the Earl of Brion. [Magna Charta Barons, p. 85]
b. 1003, d. 1050. [Judy Martin]
Herleve married Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY,891,1601,2079,2263,2264 son of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, in 1023 in No Marriage. Robert was born in 992 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 2 July 1035 in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey (On Pilgrimage To Jerusalem) 2263,2265 at age 43, and was buried in Nicaea, Bithynia, Turkey.
Herleve next married Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE 891,1601,2252,2253 in 1035 in 1st Husband. Harlevin was born in 1001 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 1270 about age 65.
64355107660. Mr. MALET Sire De \Graville\ 415 was born about 1003 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
Mr. married Daughter Of Leofric Earl Of MERCIA. Daughter was born about 1005 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia).
The child from this marriage was:
64355107661. Daughter Of Leofric Earl Of MERCIA,415,505 daughter of Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA and Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva, was born about 1005 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia).
Daughter married Mr. MALET Sire De \Graville\. Mr. was born about 1003 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
Daughter next married.
64355107662. Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec,415,1382,2276 son of Crispin De BEC and Heloise De GUINES, was born about 1000 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert CRESPIN Seigneur De Tillieres.
Gilbert married Gunnora D' AUNOU 1382.,2276 Gunnora was born about 1010 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
32177553831 i. Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN (born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died after 1086)
ii. Emma CRISPIN was born about 1030 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
iii. Gilbert CRESPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec was born about 1036 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France.
64355107663. Gunnora D' AUNOU,415,1382,2276 daughter of Fulk D' AUNOU and Beatrice Le GOZ, was born about 1010 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France.
General Notes: There seems to be a majority of sources that indicate that she was sister, not daughter of Fulk; and possibly, somehow, a niece of Gilbert Count of Brionne. I will stick with Turton, even though he is somewhat unreliable, because the other pedigrees don't seem very clear (and reliable) to me either.
Following is a post-em from Curt Hofemann giving, conflicting information on Gunnora:
First, it's Aunou, not Anjou . . .
Flwg are my notes:
parents: Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70], father: Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000] Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Research note 1: father Fulk son of Baldric [Ref: Turton]
Research note 2: Gilbert's wife Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70]
Research note 3: She (Elisabeth Van Houts) also argues that Robert confused things, that it was Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor wife of Gilbert Crispin, who married the niece of Duchess Gunnor, while it was Nicholas's wife, Gertrude, who was niece of Gilbert of Brionne. [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] note: this implies the Fulk was Gunnora's brother, not father...Curt
Research note 4: First of all, while there is extensive debate, it is not generally fealt (sic) that Fulk d'Aunou, son of Baudri the German is the same as Fulk "de Alneio", son of Osmund of Centemvilliers. (For example, Wace appears to distinguish the two toponyms.) Thus Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. Likewise Gunnora de Aunou married, not Gilbert de Brionne, but Gilbert Crispin. Gilbert de Brionne comes into play as supposed uncle of Baudri's wife, although this seems chronologically impossible... [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000]
Research note 5: ...based on the fact that Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor, Keats-Rohan has suggested that these two somehow got switched, and that it was Baldric who married the Gunnorid, while Nicholas married Gilbert's niece. This works better chronologically, since Gilbert de Brionne was two generations after Gunnor, his niece three and Nicholas four, while the wife of Nicholas would be just one, or perhaps two generation removed from Gunnor. Reversing them as Keats-Rohan suggests makes the wife four, and the husband three or four (because some of the nieces appear to have been grandnieces). [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Regards,
Curt
Gunnora married Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec 1382.,2276 Gilbert was born about 1000 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert CRESPIN Seigneur De Tillieres.
64355107668. Hugh Le CORBEAU 2277 was born about 1020 in Pays DE Caux, Normandy 2277 and died before 1086 in Shropshire, England 2277.
General Notes:
1. Corbet (to whom Le Carpentier, in his Histoire du Cambray, gives the surname of Hugh), was a man of considerable importance in the Pais de Caux, in Normandy. He had four sons, Hugh, Roger, Renaud, and Robert . Hugh, the eldest son, was like his father, a knight, and from him descended the Corbets of France . Renaud, the third son, was the ancestor of the Corbets of Flanders. Roger and Robert, the second and fourth sons, accompanied their father in the expedition of the Conqueror, and obtained from that monarch large possessions, chiefly in Shropshire, where their relation, Roger de Montgomery, earl of Shrewsbury, was their patron and lord paramount.
Robert Corbet, the fourth son, and younger of the two brothers who came with their father to England, held fifteen manors in Shropshire, under Earl Roger de Montgomery; his male line ended with his son, Robert Corbet, lord of Alcester, who left no issue, though many genealogists (See Burke's Extinct Peerage, &c.) have erroncously described him as the ancestor of the Barons Corbet , of Caus, of whom hereafter.
Roger Corbet, the second son of Corbet, and elder of the two brothers who served under the Norman, held twenty-four manors in Shropshire, and one in Montgomeryshire, from his kinsman, Earl Roger de Montgomery, and was also highly in the confidence of Robert de Belesme, the third Earl of Shrewsbury. This Roger Corbet, the progenitor of all the Shropshire Corbets and their various branches, had three sons, William, Ebraid, and Simon.
William Corbet, the eldest son, was seated at Wattlesborough, in the county of Salop, and had three sons. (Burkes Commoners).
2. CORBETT: Corbat (sic) and his two sons, Roger and Rodbert (sic), are named by Ordericus among 'the faithful and very valiant men" employed by Roger de Montgomeri in the government of his new Earldom of Shrewsbury. Corbet was also, according to tradition, consulted by William the Conqueror as to the defence of the Welsh Marches. His ancestry, Blakeway tells us, ascended "to a very remote antiquity. The name denotes in Norman-French a raven: whether in allusion to the famous Danish standard (the Rea fan), of which their ancestor might have been the bearer from Scandinavia under Rollo, or whether from a less noble source, can not be determined. It is certain that Corbet came with his second and fourth sons, Roger and Robert, to the invasion of England by Duke William of Normandy. Besides the two sons who settled in Shropshire, the eldest and the third, Hugh and Renaud, stayed behind. Hugh is mentioned in some charters of the Abbey of Bec, in Normandy; and Renaud was in Palestine in 1096, with his two sons, Robert and Guy. From the last of these descended five generations, all of them men of eminent rank in France, distinguished crusaders in the Holy Land, and castellans or viscounts of St. Pol, which the Corbets continued to hold until Hugh Corbet, knight, fourth descendant of Guy, sold his viscountcy to the Count de St. Pol, in order to raise money that he might follow St Louis on his crusading expedition against the Moors of Africa. Robert, son of Hugh, accompanied his father to Tunis, and was drowned there in 1270. Hugh, his son, settled near Cambray; and his descendants for four generations lived at various places in the Netherlands, till James Corbet removed to Antwerp; and Robert, grandson to James, migrated to Spain, where he left a fair posterity. These Corbets of France and Flanders bore three ravens for their arms, in token of their descent from the third brother. A branch also of the Corbet family settled in Scotland, and were even allied to the Royal family there; for, in 1255, the Archbishop of St. Andrews writes a letter to the English Chancellor, Walter de Merton, on behalf of his 'beloved and especial friend, Nicholas Corbet, cousin of my Lord the King,' who had then certain affairs pending at the court of Henry III."
Corbet the Norman was dead before 1086: for his son, Roger Fitz Corbet, is the Domesday baron, and built a castle at Alfreton as the head of his honour, which he names Caux, from Pays de Caux, his former home in Normandy. "This was one of the Border castles which, for two centuries after Domesday, served its continuous purposes of aggression and defence." (Eyton's Shropshire) . It stood in a strong position, commanding the pass called the Valley of the Rea; for, as a former marcher fortress, "it was exposed to all the turmoil of a hostile frontier"; and was taken and burnt by the Welsh in the time of his successor.
Robert Fitz Corbet, the younger brother, held Longden and Alcester; but his line died out in the following generation, and it is Roger who is the ancestor of the numerous families that have planted the name in the county. He constantly appears as a witness to Earl Roger's charters; and continued the faithful liegeman of his two sons, for he and Ulgar Venator were the only Shropshire chiefs that adhered to the last to Robert de Belesme. He held Bridgnorth Castle for his Earl against Henry I for three months; and it is, according to Eyton "A question" whether he forfeited his estate by his rebellion. His son, at all events, peaceably succeeded to the barony in 1121; and the line continued, without a break, for more than two hundred years after that.
These Barons of Caus were assiduous at their arduous post as guardians of the frontier: and an ancient roll that names Robert Corbet among those present with Couer de Leon at the siege of Acre, is discredited by Eyton on the ground (among others) that "a Lord Marcher was little likely to become a crusader," having his hands so full at home. A daughter of this house, however, crossed the hostile border to become the wife of Welshman, Gwenwynwyn, Prince of Powys. She was the sister of Thomas Corbet, Sheriff of Shropshire and Staffordshire in 1248, whose wife Isabel, was sister, and in her issue co-heir, to Reginald de Valletort, a great feudal baron in the west. Their son Peter served in the campaign that closed Llewellyn's career, as well as in Edward I's Scottish wars, and was summoned to Parliament by him in 1293. He was "a mighty hunter," as his father had been before him* , and in 1281 received the King's commission to destroy all wolves, wherever they could be found, in the counties of Salop, Stafford, Gloucester, Worcester and Hereford: one more proof - if an other were needed - that the alleged extirpation of wolves in Anglo-Saxon times is a fable. The next in succession, Peter, second Lord Corbet, had no children, and settled his estates on his wife, Beatrix de Beauchamp, for her life. He died in 1322, and as she survived him and married again, his brother and next heir, John, the last Baron of Caus ("if such a title can be assigned to one who never enjoyed his paternal estates, and was never summoned to parliament), was reduced to a position of comparative beggary." He prosecuted the claim to his grandmother's Valletort's estates already ineffectually advanced by his brother, but never succeeded in recovering them. He, too, died s.p. sometime before 1347, the year of the decease of his sister-in-law Beatrix, then the wife of Sir John de Leyborne; and the estate (though not the barony) of Cause passed to the descendants of her first husband's two aunts, Alice de Stafford, and Emma de Brompton, as next heirs.
The ancient name was far from having died out with John Corbet (to whom, indeed, Burke attributes no inconsiderable family), but the exact relationship of its remaining representatives can not now be determined. "Dugdale tells us of a Roger Corbet, summoned as a baron in 1327. It is difficult to say who this was. Summarily, it may be safely stated of all the families which have branched off from this house of Caus that none of them can be descended from any later Baron than he who died in 1222, and that therefore to decide their exact affinity to the parent stock, must be the work rather of a magician than an antiquary." Ibid
Not being conversant with the black art, I will confine myself to the existing family, whose pedigree is undisputed for the last seven hundred years. Richard Corbet, their ancestor, held Watt lesborough - one of Roger Fitz Corbet's Domesday manors - of the Barony of Caus in 1179; and a tower of his castle there is still standing. Blakeway claims for him the honour of being the head of the house, assuming that one of the earlier Barons of Caus resigned his rights of primogeniture to a younger brother, and was content to hold one of his own manors of him as an under-tenant. But to this theory there are formidable objections. "A Tenant-in-capite-per-baronium" could not divest himself of his primogeniture or alienate his barony in the way supposed. Instant forfeiture would have been the consequence, and, failing that, his act could not have bound his descendants. On his death his son might have recovered the barony by process of mort d'ancestre, and his descendants, however remote, could have achieved the same end by the process of Grand Assize.' Ibid At all events, the two lines diverged as early as the reign of Henry II; the baronial family bearing two ravens, and the knightly family a single one - Or, un corbyn de Sable - which has been cited as proof of their birthright.
Richard Corbet's son married the heiress of the old Anglo-Saxon family of Toret, and thus acquired Moreton-Toret - now Moreton Corbet, and the property of his representative. Wattlesborough , and the principal part of the Corbet estate, was carried away in the next century by "a great Shropshire heiress," the daughter of Sir Fulk Corbet, to John de la Pole, Lord of Mawddwy, and Justice of North Wales.** "This happened again in 1583, when the lands brought by the heiress of Hopton went by marriage to the Wallops and Careys." - E.P.Shirley.
Four baronetcies were granted to the Corbets in the first half of the following century: two by James I, and two by his son. That bestowed upon the head of the family, Sir Vincent Corbet, of Moreton-Corbet, ranked third in point of seniority, and dated from 1642. He was a devoted Royalist; and, in acknowledgement of his services, his widow received a life-peerage as Viscountess Corbet. The baronetcy expired in 1688 with another Sir Vincent, who only lived to be eighteen: and their ancestral estate of Moret on-Corbet passed out of the family with his sister, Mrs Kynaston . But the ancient name, "famous even at the time of the Conquest," is carried on in the direct line by the descendants of Richard, a younger brother of the first baronet. One of them re-purchased Moreton-Corbet about 1742: and to another, Sir Andrew, the title was re-granted in 1808.
There is an old legend attached to this house, which Blakeway en deavours to transfer to Caus, in corroboration of the Baron's surrender of his birth-right, though it is Moreton-Corbet that it has always belonged. "Once upon a time, the heir went to the Holy Land, and was detained so long in captivity, that he was supposed to be dead, and his younger brother engaged to marry, that he might carry on the line. On the morning of the marriage, however, a pilgrim came to the house to partake of the hospitalities of that festal occasion; and after the dinner, revealed himself to the assembled company as the long-lost elder brother. The bridegroom would have surrendered the estate to him; but he declined the offer, desiring only a small portion of the land, which he accordingly received." - Antiquities of Shropshire.
There were so many junior branches of this family, that the mere enumeration of them is laborious; but I believe almost all of them are extinct: the three other baronies unquestionably are : The oldest, granted in 1623 to Sir John Corbet, of Sprowston Hall, High Sheriff of Norfolk, only lasted till 1661: the year before his brother Miles, one of the regicides who had escaped beyond the sea, was captured at Delft, brought home, and executed . The next in date was held by Sir John Corbet, of Stoke, "one of the five illustrious patriots that opposed the enforced loan of 1627:" but surely subsequently to the baronetcy conferred upon him in that very year. He was blessed with ten sons and ten daughters; but the line failed in the next century with two childless brothers (the elder of whom had married Harriet, sister of the great Earl of Chatham), and the estate passed to the nephew, Corbet D'Avenant. The last baronetcy was received in 1642 by Sir Edward Corbet, of Longnor, in Shropshire, and Leighton, in Montgomeryshire, and expired in 1774. Then there were Corbets of Hadley and Tasley, Leigh, and Sundorne, &c. in Shropshire: one branch in Cheshire and Lincolnshire; another in Wales; and one, if not two, in Worcestershire, where Chaddesley-Corbet keeps the name. " In 1284, Sir Roger Corbet, of Chaddesley, held Chetton (Shropshire) in capite, by the service of finding a man to go to Wales on the King's service, who was to take one bow, three arrows and a caltrop; and also acured hog; and when he reached the King's army, he was to deliver to the King's Marshal half thereof; and the Marshal was to give him daily of the same half bacon for his dinner, as long as he staid in the army, and he was to stay with the army as long as the hog lasted." The term of his service might thus be spunout by putting him on short commons.
* Thomas, Baron of Caus, obtained in 1224 the King's licence to pursue any three boars through the forests of Shropshire tha the might unkennel in his own forest; and twelve years later , a confirmation by charter of the whole forest of Teynfrestane s - (Stiperstones).
** Yet the annual value of the lands was only D30, "because they lay on the confines of the Marches, and were devastated from day to day, and partly burned by the Welsh rebels." Bridgeman's Princes of S. Wales. [The Battle Abbey Roll I:219-223].
3. Carl Boyer writes: " Hugo le Corbeau or le Corbet, Chevalier of Pays de Caux, Normandy, flourished from 1040 and 1076, and was dead before the Domesday survey of 1086.
All copies of the Battle Abbey Roll, from Leland, onwards, include Hugo le Corbet among those who came with William the Conqueror, with sons Roger and Robert, probably under command of comte Roger de Montgomery.
He was mentioned in 1040 and 1063 in charters of the Abbey of Notre Dame de Bec.
Ordericus Vitalis mentioned him and his sons in England in 1074.
According to Leland's 'Collectanea' he was amoung the barons consulted by King William about 1080-1081 concerning the government and defense of the Welsh Marches, or those areas of England on the frontier with Wales. He and his sons were described in Doomsday as 'faithful and very valiant and of great wisdom in counsel'."
Hugh married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553834 i. Robert Fitz CORBET (born about 1042 in Pays DE Caux, Normandy, France - died after 1121 in Longden, Of Alcester, Warwickshire, England)
64355107680. Guillaume Comte De MONTFORT,1379,1382 son of Amaury I Seigneur De MONTFORT and Judith De CAMBRAI, was born about 960 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1382 and died in 1018 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 about age 58.
General Notes:
The first Montfort of Ile de France, invested by Hugh Capet.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1003. 1379
Guillaume married Albreda Montfort De ESPERON.
Guillaume next married Miss De NOGENT.1382 Miss was born about 975 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
The child from this marriage was:
64355107681. Miss De NOGENT,415,1382 daughter of Rotrou Seigneur De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU and Unknown, was born about 975 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
Miss married Guillaume Comte De MONTFORT 1379.,1382 Guillaume was born about 960 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1382 and died in 1018 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 about age 58.
64355107682. Guillaume De GOMETZ De Bures 415,1382 was born in 975 in Gometz, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in Bures, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France.
Guillaume married.
Children from this marriage were:
32177553841 i. Bertrade (Berteis) De GOMETZ (born about 1010 in Gometz, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France - died after 1053)
iii. Hodierne De GOMETZ-LA-FERTE was born about 1006 in Normandy, France.
64355107684. Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen,415,1270,1601,1746 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born in 967 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France and died from 16 March 1036 to 1037 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1270 at age 69.
Robert married.
Robert married Havlive De ROUEN.1601 Havlive was born about 968 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553842 i. Richard Comte D' EVREUX (born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France - died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France)
Robert next married Havlive (Or Gunnois) Of NORMANDY.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Randolph Of NORMANDY.
ii. Richard D'EVREUX was born in 986 in Rouen, France and died on 13 December 1067 at age 81.
iii. Dau Of Robert D'EVEREUX.
64355107685. Havlive De ROUEN 415,1601,1746 was born about 968 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Havlive married Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen 1270.,1601 Robert was born in 967 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France and died from 16 March 1036 to 1037 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1270 at age 69.
64355107744. Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR,415,2453 son of Niel (Nigel) III Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR and Adela D' EU, was born about 1008 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died before 1073 2454. Another name for Niel was Neel I Vicomte De COTENTIN.
General Notes: Paul Reed, citing Rev. Statham's "The Descent of the family of Statham" (London, 1925), only mentions Adele, daughter of William de Vernon as a wife of Niel. However the charter witnessed by Niel and his wife Adele, along with nearly all of their children, took place after all of the children were born. Thus any prior wife would not be indicated. The dates of Niel's 1st children would indicate an earlier wife. The charter did not mention the son Ivo (only sons Roger, William, another William, and Gerard), but did mention two other daughters besides Bilelde (Emma and Mahildis, either one of which could be the daughter that married Robert Bigod).
Niel married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife. Unknown was born about 1007 in France.
Niel next married Adela De VERNON 2453 before 1059 in 2ND Wife. Adela was born about 1044 in Vernon, Eure, Normandy, France.
64355107745. Unknown First WIFE 415 was born about 1007 in France.
Unknown married Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR 2453 in 1st Wife. Niel was born about 1008 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died before 1073 2454. Another name for Niel was Neel I Vicomte De COTENTIN.
64355107746. Geoffrey II Of BRITTANY,415 son of Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY and Hawise Of NORMANDY, was born about 1003 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
General Notes: I don't know whether Geoffrey was an illegitimate son (he is not listed as a son in the chart on CP:781). There is a Geoffrey, Count of Brittany, d. 24 Aug 1093, listed as if he were an elder son of Eudes (making him grandson of Geoffrey). Possibly this is that Geoffrey, but I think this Geoffrey is born to soon to be a son of Eudes.
Geoffrey married Kadwidge De NORMANDY about 1024. Kadwidge was born about 1005 in Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553873 i. Emma De BRITTANY (born about 1025 in Bretagne, France)
64355107747. Kadwidge De NORMANDY 415 was born about 1005 in Normandy, France.
Kadwidge married Geoffrey II Of BRITTANY about 1024. Geoffrey was born about 1003 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
64355107760. Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,415,1601,1746,2514 son of Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS, was born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium, died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands 2053,2515 about age 28, and was buried in Egmond O/D Hoef, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Other names for Arnulph were Arnoul De GAND Count Of West Friesland& Ghent, and Arnoul De Gand Count Of West Friesland & GHENT.
Arnulph married Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2053,2514 about 980 in Gand, East Vries Laanderen, Belgium.2516 Luitgarde was born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany and died on 14 May 1005 1741,2053 about age 39. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde De CLEVES.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adele Of HOLLAND was born about 985 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium.2053 Another name for Adele was Adele Of GHENT.
ii. Dietrich III Count Of HOLLAND was born about 986 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died on 27 May 1039 2515 about age 53. Other names for Dietrich were Dietrich (Dirk) III Count Of West FRIESLAND, and Dietrich III De GAND Count Of West Friesland.
32177553880 iii. Adalbert Count De GAND (born about 994 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium - died about 1032)
64355107761. Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2053,2514 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany and died on 14 May 1005 1741,2053 about age 39. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde De CLEVES.
General Notes:
The widow of Arnulf she acted as regent for son Dirk III. She wad daughter of Siegfried of Luxembourg and Hadwig, sister of Empress Kunigunde. She lived (960/65-1005). 1741
Luitgarde married Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND 1601,2514 about 980 in Gand, East Vries Laanderen, Belgium.2516 Arnulph was born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium, died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands 2053,2515 about age 28, and was buried in Egmond O/D Hoef, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Other names for Arnulph were Arnoul De GAND Count Of West Friesland& Ghent, and Arnoul De Gand Count Of West Friesland & GHENT.
64355107762. Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,415,1601,1746,2112,2346 son of Arnold II Count Of FLANDERS and Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy, was born between 967 and 968 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 1270 and died on 30 May 1036 in , Flanders, Nord, France 2112,2291 about age 68. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin IV De LILLE Count Of Flanders.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 980. 2346
Baudouin married Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2112,2291 about 1004 in Of, , Flanders, France.2291 Ogive was born about 988 in Luxemburg and died from 21 February 1029 to 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium 2291 about age 41.
Children from this marriage were:
32177553881 i. Ermengarde De FLANDERS (born in 1005 in Flanders Now Belgium)
32177555338 ii. Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS (born in 1012 in , Flanders, Nord, France - died on 1 September 1067 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France)
Baudouin next married Judith De NORMANDY,2517 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, about 1031 in 3rd Wife.2517 Judith was born about 1007 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Judith Of FLANDERS was born about 1035 in Flanders Now Belgium and died from 4 March 1093 to 1094 2292,2518 about age 58.
Baudouin next married Countess Of Flanders Eléonore De NORMANDIE,1601 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE. Eléonore was born about 1009 in Of, , Normandie and died in Y.
64355107763. Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2112,2291 daughter of Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG and Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 988 in Luxemburg and died from 21 February 1029 to 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium 2291 about age 41.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth Luxemburg, Abt 995. 2291
Ogive married Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders 1601,2112,2346 about 1004 in Of, , Flanders, France.2291 Baudouin was born between 967 and 968 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 1270 and died on 30 May 1036 in , Flanders, Nord, France 2112,2291 about age 68. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin IV De LILLE Count Of Flanders.
64355107764. Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 son of Richwin Count Of VERDUN and Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS, was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.
Siegfried married Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Hedwig was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.
Children from this marriage were:
64355107761 ii. Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG (born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany - died on 14 May 1005)
iii. Countess Of Lower Alsace Eva LUXEMBOURG was born about 967 in Of, , Luxembourg, Luxembourg.
iv. Judith Of LUXEMBOURG was born about 970 in Luxemburg.
v. Kunigunde Countess Of LUXEMBOURG Saint was born in 970 in , , , Luxembourg and died from 3 March 1031 to 1032 at age 61.
64355107765. Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 daughter of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.
Hedwig married Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Siegfried was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.
64355107766. Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau,415,1601,1746,1784,2287,2522 son of Konrad Count Of RHEINGAU and Judith (Jutta) Von MARCHTAL, was born in 914 in Kinzig River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died in 992 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany 1784,2287 at age 78. Other names for Heribert were Heribert Count Von Gleiberg & KINZIGAU, and Herbert I KONRADINER Graf Von Kinzisgau.2523
General Notes:
Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois). [Ancestral Roots]
Note: Alan B. Wilson (and his source) has Herbert as son of Konrad (who I have as son of Udo, making Herbert grandson, rather than son, of Udo). It certainly looks like Herbert was born late enough to be Konrad's son, so I am going with Alan Wilson. See notes under Konrad for further changes indicated by Alan Wilson, which I am NOT following.
Heribert married Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU 1601,1784,2287,2351 in <Of Hammerstein, (Now Czarne), Koszalin, Poland>. Irmintrud was born in 918 in , Avalgau, , Germany. Another name for Irmintrud was Irmentrude Von MAINGAU.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Udo (Otto) Von HAMMERSTEIN was born in 940 of Hammerstein, (Now Czarne), Koszalin, Poland and died on 5 June 1036 at age 96.
32177553883 ii. Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG (born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany)
iii. Gebhard Count Of GLEIBERG was born in 944 in Of, Gleiberg, , Germany and died in 1016 at age 72.
iv. Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG was born in 950 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany and died in 1017 2523 at age 67. Other names for Gerberge were Gergerba Von KINZIGAU, and Gergerba KONRADINER.2523
64355107767. Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU,415,1601,1746,1784,2287,2351 daughter of Megingoz (Mengasus\Meingaud) Count Of AVALGAU and Gerberge Of LORRAINE, was born in 918 in , Avalgau, , Germany. Another name for Irmintrud was Irmentrude Von MAINGAU.
Irmintrud married Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau 1601,1784,2287,2522 in <Of Hammerstein, (Now Czarne), Koszalin, Poland>. Heribert was born in 914 in Kinzig River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died in 992 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany 1784,2287 at age 78. Other names for Heribert were Heribert Count Von Gleiberg & KINZIGAU, and Herbert I KONRADINER Graf Von Kinzisgau.2523
64355107768. Thurstan (Toussaint) Bastembourg De MONTFORT,415,902,2524 son of Anslec De BERTRAND and Unknown, was born about 942 in Bastembourg, Normandy, France and died about 1023 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France 905 about age 81. Another name for Thurstan was Toussaint De BERTRAND.
General Notes: Curt Hofemann, [email protected], wrote in a post-em:
[concerning the Norman family of Monfort-sur-Risle]. The first known ancestor of this house is Thurstan of Bastembourg who appears in a ducal charter of 1027 as possessed of land at Pont-Authou, and who, perhaps, also subscribed two charters for Saint-Wandrille which passed to the ducal court at about the same time. This Thurstan has a daughter, with whom the notorious Gere of Echauffour fell in love at first sight while dining with her father and also two sons - William Bertram, who can perhaps be seen in charters for Le Mont-Saint-Michel, and Hugh I of Montfort (some five miles from Pont-Anthou) who perished in the private wars with Walchelin of Ferrieres during the anarchy [of Duke William's minority]. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964 University of California Press, Berkeley & LA, CA p88]
Thurstan married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adeline De MONTFORT was born about 963 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France.
ii. Gisele De MONTFORT was born about 970 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Gisele was Gisela Bertrand De BASTENBURG.
32177553884 iii. Hugh I De MONTFORT (born in 975 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France - died about 1037 in Normandy, France)
64355107772. Raoul De BEAUFFOU 415,902 was born in 990 in Beauffou, Normandy, France.
Raoul married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553886 i. Richard De BEAUFFOU (born in 1016 in Beauffou, Normandy, France - died about 1081)
64355107774. Ancitel Vicomte De BAYEUX,415 son of Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY and Erneburge De CAUX, was born in 972 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.
Ancitel married Poppa De SENLIS. Poppa was born in 996 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177553887 i. Emme De BAYEUX (born in 1017 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France)
64355107775. Poppa De SENLIS,415 daughter of Berengal De SENLIS and Unknown, was born in 996 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.
Poppa married Ancitel Vicomte De BAYEUX. Ancitel was born in 972 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.
64355108352. Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys,505,1034 son of Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys and Morfudd Verch YNYR, was born in 954 in Powys, Wales.1034
Gwerystan married Nest Verch CADELL.1034 Nest was born about 956 in Powys, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
i. Elinor Verch GWERYSTAN was born about 980 in Powys, Wales.1034
32177554176 ii. Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys (born about 982 in Powys, Wales)
iii. Lleuki Verch GWERYSTAN was born about 985 in Powys, Wales.
32177554201 iv. Ferch Gwerystan (born about 974 in Powys, Wales)
64355108353. Nest Verch CADELL,505,1034 daughter of Cadell Ap BROCHWEL and Unknown, was born about 956 in Powys, Wales.1034
Nest married Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys.1034 Gwerystan was born in 954 in Powys, Wales.1034
64355108354. Maredudd Ap OWAIN,505,1034,2294,2295 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN, was born in 938 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 999 1034,2295 at age 61.
Maredudd married Miss Verch LLANDILO. Miss was born in 943 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
32177554177 i. Angharad Verch MAREDUDD (born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales)
ii. Lleucu Verch MAREDUDD was born in 992 in Deheubarth, Wales.
Maredudd next married.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Lleucu Ferch Maredudd was born about 972 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Maredudd next married.
64355108355. Miss Verch LLANDILO 505 was born in 943 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
Miss married Maredudd Ap OWAIN 1034,2294.,2295 Maredudd was born in 938 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 999 1034,2295 at age 61.
64355108356. Blaidd "Rhudd" CYLLYN 505,1034 was born about 975 in Gest, Dolbenmaen, Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034
Blaidd married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554178 i. Cynillin Ap Y Blaidd RYDD (born about 1000 in Gest Near Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales - died about 1024 in Caernarvonshire, Wales)
64355108360. Morgeneu Ap ELYSTAN,505,1034 son of Elystan Ap GWAITHFOED and Unknown, was born about 987 in Powys, Wales.1034
Morgeneu married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554180 i. Morien Ap MORGENEU (born about 1012 in Powys, Wales)
64355108362. Rhys Ap MARCHAN,505,1034 son of Marchan Ap Cynwrig and Unknown, was born about 980 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Rhys married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554181 i. Gwenllian Verch RHYS (born about 1012 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales)
64355108364. Dolffyn Ap Iorwerth,1034 son of Iorwerth Ap Llywelyn and Unknown, was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Dolffyn married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554182 i. Llywelyn Ap Dolffyn (born in Denbighshire, Wales)
64355108366. Iorwerth "Swdrgrin" Ap Gronwy,1034 son of Gronwy Ap Hwfa and Unknown, was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Iorwerth married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554183 i. Tangwystl Ferch Iorwerth (born in Denbighshire, Wales)
64355108368. Cadwgon Ap Elystan,1034 son of Elystan "Glodrydd" Ap Cuhelyn and Gwenllian Ferch Einion, was born about 975 in Radnorshire, Wales.1034
Cadwgon married Angharad Ferch Llawr.1034 Angharad was born about 992 in Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
32177554184 i. Ieuaf Ap Cadwgon (born about 1004 in Radnorshire, Wales)
ii. Constance "Wen" Ferch Cadwgon was born about 1040 in Radnorshire, Wales.1034
64355108369. Angharad Ferch Llawr,1034 daughter of Llawr and Lleucu Ferch Maredudd, was born about 992 in Wales.1034
Angharad married Cadwgon Ap Elystan.1034 Cadwgon was born about 975 in Radnorshire, Wales.1034
64355108376. Cadell Ab EINION,505,2297 son of Einion Ap OWAIN and Nesta Of DEVON, was born about 964 in Deheubarth, Wales and died about 1018 about age 54.
General Notes: The following was given to me in an e-mail by Betty Knoche:
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Sent: 9/13/03 12:26 PM
Subject: Bits & pieces -
Hi Jim
Came across some bits of info from British Kings and Queens by Mark Ashley and thought would pass them on to you.
Cadell ap Einion died abt 1018 - page 335
(It shows he ruled 1005-1018 and then says" Their exact fate [referring to Cadell and his brother Edwin] is unknown, and they may have been killed at this time, for they are not mentioned in any later records" This refers to a challenge by Aeddan ap Blegywyd who succeeded in deposing Cadell and Edwin.)
Cadell married Elinor Verch GWERYSTAN.1034 Elinor was born about 980 in Powys, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
32177554188 i. Tewdwr "Mawr-The Great" Ap CADELL King S. Wales (born about 1000 in Deheubarth, Wales)
64355108377. Elinor Verch GWERYSTAN,505,1034 daughter of Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys and Nest Verch CADELL, was born about 980 in Powys, Wales.1034
Elinor married Cadell Ab EINION.2297 Cadell was born about 964 in Deheubarth, Wales and died about 1018 about age 54.
Elinor next married Cadell Ap Einion,1034 son of Einion Ap OWAIN and Nesta Of DEVON. Cadell was born about 953 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
i. Tewdwr "Mawr" Ap Cadell was born about 977 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
64355108380. Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys,505,1034 son of Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys and Nest Verch CADELL, was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
General Notes:
All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
Little is known of Cynfyn. His fame, like that of many of his descendants, was only the reflection of the fame of his distinguished wife. There is no evidence that he ever attempted to rule in the right of his wife as did her first husband. The sons of Cynfyn and Angharad were Bleddyn and Rhiwallon. The pedigree of Cynfyn which appears in Vol 1, p 63 of the Historical Manuscripts Commission, London, 1898, extends back through twenty-two generations to Beli Mawr and Anna through their son Llud. Prof Lloyd thinks that it is mythical. It is certainly incomplete. It would require many more thatn twenty-two generation to cover the period of more than one thousand years. In the History of Radnorshire it is stated that Cynfyn was the son of Gwerstan and the grandson of Gwaethfoed Fawr. [The Weave Genealogy]
Cynfyn married Angharad Verch MAREDUDD 1034,2294 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Angharad was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
64355108381. Angharad Verch MAREDUDD,505,1034,2294 daughter of Maredudd Ap OWAIN and Miss Verch LLANDILO, was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Angharad married Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales 1034,2294 about 994 in 1st Husband.2294 Llywelyn was born in 980 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2294 and died in 1023 1034,2294 at age 43.
Angharad next married Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys 1034 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Cynfyn was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
64355108384. Idwal Ap MEURIG,505,1034,1386 son of Meurig Ab IDWAL "Foel" and Unknown, was born about 940 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 996 in Battle Of Penmyn, Penmynydd, Anglesey, Wales 1034 about age 56.
Idwal married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554192 i. Iago Ab IDWAL (born about 964 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales - died in 1039)
64355108386. Gwair Ap PILL,505,1034 son of Pill Ap Cynwrig and Unknown, was born about 949 in Anglesey, Wales.1034
Gwair married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554193 i. Afandreg Verch GWAIR (born about 964 in Aberffro, Anglesey, Wales)
64355108388. Sitric "Silken Beard" King Of DUBLIN & York,505,2525,2526 son of Olaf Cuarajn Sitricsson King Of York & DUBLIN and Gormflaith Ingen Murchada Mac Finn Of LEINSTER, was born about 970 in Dublin, Ireland, died in 1042 in York, Yorkshire, England 2525,2526 about age 72, and was buried in 1028 - Went On Pilgrimage To Rome.2525 Another name for Sitric was Sitric "Silken Beard" King Of Dublin & YORK.
General Notes: Acceded 989. Deposed 1036. King of Northumberland, King of
Denmark,King of York.
Sitric married Slani O'BRIEN.2525 Slani was born about 980 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554194 i. Olaf Sitricsson King Of DUBLIN (born about 1000 in Dublin, Ireland - died in 1034 in Slain By "Saxons" Enroute To Rome On Pilgrimage)
64355108389. Slani O'BRIEN,415,505,2525 daughter of Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND and Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA, was born about 980 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland.
Slani married Sitric "Silken Beard" King Of DUBLIN & York 2525.,2526 Sitric was born about 970 in Dublin, Ireland, died in 1042 in York, Yorkshire, England 2525,2526 about age 72, and was buried in 1028 - Went On Pilgrimage To Rome.2525 Another name for Sitric was Sitric "Silken Beard" King Of Dublin & YORK.
64355108390. Dunlaing King Of LEINSTER,505,2298 son of Tuathal King Of LEINSTER and Unknown, was born in 920 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1014 2298 at age 94.
Dunlaing married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Donncuan King Of LEINSTER was born in 950 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1018 at age 68.
32177554195 ii. Maelcorcre Of LEINSTER (born about 1000 in Leinster, Ireland)
64355108392. Gronwy Ab EINION,247,505,1034 son of Einion Ap OWAIN and Nesta Of DEVON, was born about 959 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Gronwy married Ethelfleda Verch EDWIN.1034 Ethelfleda was born about 983 in Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034
The child from this marriage was:
32177554196 i. Edwin Ap GRONWY (born in 1020 in Tegeingl, Flintshire, Wales - died in 1073 in Northop, Flintshire, Wales)
Gronwy next married Ethelfleda Ferch Edwin.1034 Ethelfleda was born about 959 in Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034
64355108393. Ethelfleda Verch EDWIN 505,1034 was born about 983 in Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034
Ethelfleda married Gronwy Ab EINION 247.,1034 Gronwy was born about 959 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
64355108394. Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys,505,1034 son of Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys and Nest Verch CADELL, was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
General Notes:
All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
Little is known of Cynfyn. His fame, like that of many of his descendants, was only the reflection of the fame of his distinguished wife. There is no evidence that he ever attempted to rule in the right of his wife as did her first husband. The sons of Cynfyn and Angharad were Bleddyn and Rhiwallon. The pedigree of Cynfyn which appears in Vol 1, p 63 of the Historical Manuscripts Commission, London, 1898, extends back through twenty-two generations to Beli Mawr and Anna through their son Llud. Prof Lloyd thinks that it is mythical. It is certainly incomplete. It would require many more thatn twenty-two generation to cover the period of more than one thousand years. In the History of Radnorshire it is stated that Cynfyn was the son of Gwerstan and the grandson of Gwaethfoed Fawr. [The Weave Genealogy]
Cynfyn married Angharad Verch MAREDUDD 1034,2294 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Angharad was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
64355108395. Angharad Verch MAREDUDD,505,1034,2294 daughter of Maredudd Ap OWAIN and Miss Verch LLANDILO, was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Angharad married Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales 1034,2294 about 994 in 1st Husband.2294 Llywelyn was born in 980 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2294 and died in 1023 1034,2294 at age 43.
Angharad next married Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys 1034 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Cynfyn was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
64355108396. Neiniad Ap GWAETHFOED,505,1034 son of Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap CLODIEN Of Powys and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 982 in Wales.1034
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 968.
Neiniad married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554198 i. Ednywain I Ap NEINIAD (born about 1000 in Flintshire, Wales - died after 1079)
64355108398. Lluddica Ap TEWDWR Lord Of Chirk,505,1034,2527 son of Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford and Angharad Verch HYWEL, was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1037 1034 about age 97. Another name for Lluddica was Lluddica Ap Tudur TREFOR.
Lluddica married Angharad Verch IAGO.1034 Angharad was born about 958 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
i. Llywarch "Gam\The Lame" Ap LLUDICA was born about 980 in Denbighshire, Wales.
32177554199 ii. Gwerful Verch LLUDDICA (born about 1000 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales - died after 1070)
64355108399. Angharad Verch IAGO,505,1034 daughter of Iago Ab IDWAL and Unknown, was born about 958 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034
Angharad married Lluddica Ap TEWDWR Lord Of Chirk 1034.,2527 Lluddica was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1037 1034 about age 97. Another name for Lluddica was Lluddica Ap Tudur TREFOR.
64355108400. Gwyn Ap Gollwyn,1034 son of Gollwyn Ap Ednywain and Unknown, was born about 947 in Powys, Wales.1034
Gwyn married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554200 i. Caradog Ap GWYN (born in 1014 in Powys, Wales)
64355108402. Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys,505,1034 son of Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys and Morfudd Verch YNYR, was born in 954 in Powys, Wales.1034
Gwerystan married Nest Verch CADELL.1034 Nest was born about 956 in Powys, Wales.1034
64355108403. Nest Verch CADELL,505,1034 daughter of Cadell Ap BROCHWEL and Unknown, was born about 956 in Powys, Wales.1034
Nest married Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys.1034 Gwerystan was born in 954 in Powys, Wales.1034
64355108404. Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales,505,1034,2294 son of Seisyll Ap EDNYWAIN and Prawst Verch ELISE, was born in 980 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2294 and died in 1023 1034,2294 at age 43.
General Notes: King of Deheubarth & Gwynedd [Ancestral Roots]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 980-1023.
Llywelyn married Angharad Verch MAREDUDD 1034,2294 about 994 in 1st Husband.2294 Angharad was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
64355108405. Angharad Verch MAREDUDD,505,1034,2294 daughter of Maredudd Ap OWAIN and Miss Verch LLANDILO, was born in 982 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034
Angharad married Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales 1034,2294 about 994 in 1st Husband.2294 Llywelyn was born in 980 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2294 and died in 1023 1034,2294 at age 43.
Angharad next married Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys 1034 after 1023 in 2ND Husband. Cynfyn was born about 982 in Powys, Wales.1034
64355108406. Aelfgar III Earl Of East Anglia & MERCIA,415,505,1034,2528,2529 son of Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA and Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva, was born about 1025 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia),1034 died after 1062 in Mercia, England 1034,2530, and was buried in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia).1034
General Notes:
Aelfgar, of age 1051, d. shortly after 1062, Earl of East Anglia 1053, Earl of Mercia 1057, banished 1058; m. Aelfgifu, by whom 3 known sons: Eadwine, Morkere, and Burchard, whose issue are unknown, and a daughter Aldgyth [as well as Edith or Aldgyth]. [Ancestral Roots, Line 176a-3]
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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 22 Jun 1999, by Leo van de Pas:
The son of Leofric and Godiva :
Alfgar "the Saxon", Earl of Mercia, died circa 1059/1062 was married to Elfgifu, daughter of Sigeferth and Ealdgyth. In 1055, he was forced to seek the protection of Gruffyd in Wales, in that year Gruffyd and Alfgar burned down St.Aethelbert's minster and all the town of Hereford.
In 1058 Alfgar, without having given reason, was outlawed, and went to Ireland and Wales where he got himself a great band and then travelled to Hereford. After a violent battle Alfgar was reinstated and given back all that had earlier been taken from him.
Alfgar and Elfgifu are the parents of :
1.Edwin
2.Morcar
3.Ealdgyth of Mercia married (1) circa 1056 Gruffyd ap Llywelyn, King of Deheubarth 1044-1063, son of Llywelyn ap Seiswill, King of Deheubarth and Gwynedd, and Angharad of Wales
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1002. Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia)
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Bef 1030. 2530 Mercia, England
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1059. 2301 Mercia, England
Aelfgar married Aelfgifu Of The Seven BOROUGHS 2530.,2531 Aelfgifu was born before 1016 in Wessex, England.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554203 i. Edith (Aldgyth) Of MERCIA (born about 1041 in Saxe, Mercia, England - died after 1086)
64355108407. Aelfgifu Of The Seven BOROUGHS,415,505,2530,2531 daughter of Sigeferth (Siferth) Thegn Of The Seven BOROUGHS and Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA, was born before 1016 in Wessex, England.
General Notes: I have made a general shift in dates to accomodate Godiva's (mother of Aelfgar) birth date according to Ancestral Roots and Encyclopedia Britannica.
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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 23 Jun 1999, by Leo van de Pas:
From: Leo van de Pas ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Lady Godiva
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/06/23
At 12:24 PM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
Leo van de Pas wrote:
The son of Leofric and Godiva :
Alfgar "the Saxon", Earl of Mercia,
died circa 1059/1062 was married to
Elfgifu, daughter of Sigeferth and
Ealdgyth.
What is the basis for this statement. Assuming I have these names
right, Ealdgyth would later become wife of Edmund Ironside, and mother
of the exiled princes. It has been speculated that she was daughter of
an earlier Ealdorman Morcar, and this would provide onomastic continuity
with the younger Ealdorman of that name. Still, I know of no source
that provides any clues either to the parents of Aelfgar's wife, nor
that Sigeferth had a daughter.
Oops [in a slightly later post]. I left out a generation. The hypothesis is that Ealdgyth was
daughter of Aelfthryth, and maternal granddaughter of Morcar. This is
given in Moriarty's Plantagenet Ancestry, based on an earlier hypothesis
(by Richardson?). However, it does not include her having a daughter by
Sigeferth, or the marriage of that daughter to Aelfgar
taf [Todd A. Farmerie]
Last year I bought a wonderful book "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle" translated and edited by Michael Swanton, there are a few family trees and in this is shown that Aelfgar, Earl of East Anglia 1051-1057, Earl of Mercia 1057 was married to Aelgifu, daughter of Siferth thegn of the Seven Boroughs (killed in 1015) and Ealdgyth (daughter of Aelfthryth) who secondly married Edmund Ironside, King of England. Aelfthryth (son of Wulfrun) is a brother of Aelfhelm, Ealdorman of Northumbria (killed 1006) who in turn was father of Aelgifu married to Cnut King of England. These genealogical pages are the last of the book before the bibliography. I hope you have a copy otherwise would you like me to photocopy and post?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 997.
Aelfgifu married Aelfgar III Earl Of East Anglia & MERCIA 1034,2528.,2529 Aelfgar was born about 1025 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia),1034 died after 1062 in Mercia, England 1034,2530, and was buried in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia).1034
64355108408. Elystan Glodryd Ap CUHELYN Of Buillth,505 son of Cuhelyn Ab IFOR and Gwen Verch GRONWY, was born about 956 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales and died in Cefndigoll, Wales.
Elystan married Gwenllian Verch EINION. Gwenllian was born about 956 in Dynevor Castle, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554204 i. Cadwgon Ap ELYSTAN Of Buillth (born about 985 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales)
64355108409. Gwenllian Verch EINION,505 daughter of Einion Ap OWAIN and Nesta Of DEVON, was born about 956 in Dynevor Castle, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
Gwenllian married.
Gwenllian married Elystan Glodryd Ap CUHELYN Of Buillth. Elystan was born about 956 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales and died in Cefndigoll, Wales.
64355108410. Gwrgan Ab ITHEL Of Morgannwg, Lord Of Glamorgan,505 son of Ithel Ab IDWALLON Of Morgannwg and Unknown, was born about 978 in Morgannwg, Wales and died after 1045.
Gwrgan married in 1st Wife.
Gwrgan married Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN,1034 daughter of Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys and Angharad Verch MAREDUDD, before 1039 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife. Iwerydd was born about 1024 in Powys, Wales.1034
Gwrgan next married Nest Verch GWYN in 1st Wife. Nest was born about 980 in Wales and died before 1039.
The child from this marriage was:
32177554205 i. Efa Verch GWRGAN (born about 1000 in Glamorgan, Wales)
64355108411. Nest Verch GWYN 505 was born about 980 in Wales and died before 1039.
Nest married Gwrgan Ab ITHEL Of Morgannwg, Lord Of Glamorgan in 1st Wife. Gwrgan was born about 978 in Morgannwg, Wales and died after 1045.
64355108416. Hugh Le CORBET 415 was born about 1025 in Pays DE Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1080 in Pays D'auge, Calvados, Normandy, France.
Hugh married.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Robert CORBET Of Longden & Alcester, Sir was born about 1052 in Pays DE Caux, Normandy, France and died from after January 1121 to 1122 in Alcester, Warwickshire, England.
64355108576. Count Of Orleans Robert "Fortis\The Strong" Duke Of FRANCE,415,505,1444,1524,1601,1746,2532 son of Count Of Ober-Rheingau Rutpert (Robert) III Of WORMSGAU and Countess Wiltrud (Waltrada) Of TOULOUSE, was born in 820 of Anjou, Blois, Tours, Auxerre, Nevers, France,1447,2042 died on 15 September 866 in Brissarthe, Anjou, France (Slain By Northmen Of Normandy) 1436,1447,1524,1784,2533,2534,2535 at age 46, and was buried on 25 August 866 in St Martin's, Chateuneuf, France. The cause of his death was Killed in battle at Brissarthe. Other names for Robert were Le Fort=The Strong, Robert Fortis, Rupert, Robert "Fortis" Comte De BLOIS Duke Of France,1524 Robert Fortis, Duke Of FRANCE, Robert Le Fort Robertien, Duc De NUESTRIE, Robert "Le Fort" Count Of PARIS, Robert The Strong, Count Of PARIS, Rupert Iv, Count De PARIS,2532 Rutpert IV Count Of WORMGAU Comte De Blois,1524,1784,2533,2534,2536 Rupert Iv, Count Of WORMGAU, ANJOU, BLOIS, AUXERRE, and AND NEVERS.2537
General Notes:
Rutpert IV, Count in Wormgau, seen 836; of Anjou, Blois, Tours, Auxerre, Nevers; killed 15 Sep 866, called Robert the Strong; m. (1); m. (2) c 864, Aelis (or Adelaide) of Tours & Alsace, b. c 819, d. c 866, widow of Conrad I, Count of Aargau and Auxerre, d. 863, daughter of Hugh, Count of Tours, by his wife Bava. He had by (2) wife: (1) Odo or Eudes, King of the Franks (France), and (2) Robert I, Count of Paris 888, King of the Franks 922-3, father of Hugh Magnus. [Ancestral Roots]
Note: Turton names him Robert le Fort, Comte de Blois, & Duke of France, son of Guillaume Comte de Blois; also has son Robert I born by the 1st wife (NN of Italy).
Robert married Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 1601,1784,2534 about 864 in 2ND Wife 1436.,2534 Adelaide, was born in 819 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2534 and died on 15 September 866 2534 at age 47. Other names for Adelaide, were Adelheid, Adelis, Aenis, Adelaide De ALSACE, and2535 Aelis Of TOURS AND ALSACE.2537
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Eudes King Of FRANCE was born about 865 in , , , France,1436 died from 3 January 897 to 898 in La Fère-Sur-Oise, , France 2042 about age 32, and was buried in , St Denis, Isle DE France, France. Another name for Eudes was Odo.
iii. Regilinda Of The FRANKS was born before 903. Another name for Regilinda was Regelinde Of PARIS.
iv. Richard Prince Of FRANCE [Duke Of Burgundy] was born about 864 in , , , France.
v. Princess Richildes FRANCE was born in 866 in , , France.
Robert next married Agnes 2538 in 1st Wife.2538 Agnes was born about 820 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Richilde Of PARIS was born about 840 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.
64355108577. Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1436,1444,1601,1746,1784,2534 daughter of Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE and Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE, was born in 819 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2534 and died on 15 September 866 2534 at age 47. Other names for Adelaide, were Adelheid, Adelis, Aenis, Adelaide De ALSACE, and2535 Aelis Of TOURS AND ALSACE.2537
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 866. 1784
Adelaide, married Count Of Orleans Robert "Fortis\The Strong" Duke Of FRANCE 1524,1601 about 864 in 2ND Wife 1436.,2534 Robert was born in 820 of Anjou, Blois, Tours, Auxerre, Nevers, France,1447,2042 died on 15 September 866 in Brissarthe, Anjou, France (Slain By Northmen Of Normandy) 1436,1447,1524,1784,2533,2534,2535 at age 46, and was buried on 25 August 866 in St Martin's, Chateuneuf, France. The cause of his death was Killed in battle at Brissarthe. Other names for Robert were Le Fort=The Strong, Robert Fortis, Rupert, Robert "Fortis" Comte De BLOIS Duke Of France,1524 Robert Fortis, Duke Of FRANCE, Robert Le Fort Robertien, Duc De NUESTRIE, Robert "Le Fort" Count Of PARIS, Robert The Strong, Count Of PARIS, Rupert Iv, Count De PARIS,2532 Rutpert IV Count Of WORMGAU Comte De Blois,1524,1784,2533,2534,2536 Rupert Iv, Count Of WORMGAU, ANJOU, BLOIS, AUXERRE, and AND NEVERS.2537
Adelaide, next married Conrad I Of Burgundy, Count Of PARIS AND AUXERRE,2539 son of Welf (Guelph) III Duke Of BAVARIA and Edith (Eigilwich\Heilwig\Hedwig) Of SAXONY, in 1st Husband.2323 Conrad was born in 800 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 1436,2539 and died on 16 February 862 2323,2539 at age 62. Other names for Conrad were Conrad Of ARGENGAU, and1436 Konrad I Of ARGENGAU.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Welf I Count In ARGENGAU UND LINZGAU was born about 834 in Altdorf, Saxony, Germany and died before 876 2323. Another name for Welf was Welf, Count In The ARGENAND LINZGAUS.
ii. Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY was born in 825 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died in 881 1447,2539 at age 56. Other names for Conrad were Conrad Ii, Count De AUXERRE, Konrad II Of AUXERRE, Konrad Ii, Count Of AUXERRE,2540 Conrad II Margrave Of TRANSJURANIA, Conrad Ii, and Duke Of TRANSURANAL BURGUNDY.
iii. Mahaud Of BURGUNDY.
iv. Not The Son Of Charlemagne Hughes, Count D' AUXERRE Not The Son Of Charlemagne was born in 794 and died in 886 2323 at age 92. Other names for Hughes, were Hugo, Hughes, and Abbot Of ST. GERMAINE.
v. Itta Of AUXERRE was born before 826. Other names for Itta were Itana, and Judith.
vi. Judith WELF AND WAIBLINGEN was born about 840. Another name for Judith was Judith Av ARGENGAU.
vii. Rudolf, Abbot Of ST. RIQUIER.
64355108578. Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2541,2542,2543 son of Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE and Perrone Of VERMANDOIS, was born about 840 in Vermandois, Normandy, France,2544 died in 900 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France (Murdered) 1436,1447,2544 about age 60, and was buried in Seigneur Of Senlis, Peronne, And St Quentin. Other names for Hubert were Heribert I,2541 Herbert I, Count Of VERMANDOIS, Herbert Ier, and Comte De VERMANDOIS.
Hubert married Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS 1601,2544 about 879 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Bertha was born about 860 in Morvois, France. Another name for Bertha was Beatrice De MORVOIS.2541
Children from this marriage were:
32177554289 i. Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS (born about 880 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died after March 930-31)
ii. Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS was born in 885 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2545 died from 23 February 942 to 943 in St Quentin, Aisne, Picardy, France 2546,2547,2548,2549 at age 57, and was buried in St Quentin, Pas-DE-Calais, France. Other names for Herbert were Heribert, Héribert Ii, Count Of VERMANDOIS,2042 Herbert Ii, and Count Of VERMANDOIS AND TROYES.
iv. Adela De VERMANDOIS was born about 895 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.
v. Odo De VERMANDOIS.
vi. Hugo De VERMANDOIS was born in 902 in Vermandois, Normandy, France.
vii. Miss VERMANDOIS was born in 892 in Vermandois, Normandy, France and died in Y.
64355108579. Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS,415,1444,1601,1746,2541,2544 daughter of Guerri I Comte De MORVOIS and Eve De ROUSSILLON, was born about 860 in Morvois, France. Another name for Bertha was Beatrice De MORVOIS.2541
Bertha married Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS 1524,1601,2543 about 879 in <Vermandois, Normandy, France>. Hubert was born about 840 in Vermandois, Normandy, France,2544 died in 900 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France (Murdered) 1436,1447,2544 about age 60, and was buried in Seigneur Of Senlis, Peronne, And St Quentin. Other names for Hubert were Heribert I,2541 Herbert I, Count Of VERMANDOIS, Herbert Ier, and Comte De VERMANDOIS.
64355108580. Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2550,2551 son of Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY and Oda Billung Of THURINGIA, was born about 836 in Saxony, Germany 2550 and died on 30 November 912 2550,2552 about age 76. Other names for Otto were Otto Of ERLAUCHTEN, Otto Von ERLAUCHTEN, Otton I L'illustre, Herzog Von SACHSEN, and Otto Le Grand Of SAXONY.
General Notes:
Otto, the Illustrious, b. c836, d. 30 Nov 912, Duke of Saxony; m. Hedwig, d. 24 Dec 903. ('Charlemagne & His World (Heer), p. 226, shows Otto's wife as dau. (illeg.) of Arnulf, King of Germany, Emperor c863-99, & Oda of Bavaria; Arnulf was son of Carolman, King of Bavaria (c828-80) & Litwinde; Carloman was son of Louis II "the German", King of the East Franks (c805-76) and Emma of Bavaria. Louis was son of Louis I "the Fair". See Brandenburg for Arnulf's ancestry, however, Brandenburg shows no such daughter for Arnulf. Isenburg shows Hedwig as daughter of Henri, Comte de la Marche. Moriarty says Hedwig d. 24 Dec 903, does not identify parents.).
Otto may NOT have married both wives, as they appear to be two different alternative wives with different ancestry. But I followed the Hadwig von Babenberg line from Bernd Josef Jansen, World Connect db=bernd-jansen, so I am making her the 1st wife, and Hedwig of Germany as the 2nd wife.
Note: Peter Stewart, in criticizing the accuracy of Stuart's 'Royal for Commoners' points out that RFC names him Otto of Erlauchten (as if it is a place), whereas his name is Otto I "der Erlauchte" (German for "Illustrious").
Otto married Hathui Duchess Of SAXONY 1601 in 869 in <Of, , , Saxony>. Hathui was born in 855 in Of, , , Saxony and died in 906 at age 51.
Otto next married Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 1601,1784,2550,2553 after 876 in 2ND Wife ? 2318.,2553 Hedwige was born in 856 in , , Germany 2553 and died on 24 December 903 1447,2550,2553,2554 at age 47. Other names for Hedwige were Hadui, Haduich, Hadwig, Hudui, Hadui Von FRANKENAU, Edwige De La MARCHE, Hathui, Duchess Of SAXONY, and Hathumoda Princess Of SAXONY.
Children from this marriage were:
Otto next married Hedwig Princess Of GERMANY,2550 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, after 876 in 2ND Wife ?. Hedwig was born about 860 in Germany and died on 24 December 903 2550 about age 43. Another name for Hedwig was Hathumoda Princess Of SAXONY.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Liudolf Of SAXONY was born about 878 in Saxony, Germany. Another name for Liudolf was Liudolf Von SACHSEN.
64355108581. Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2550,2553,2555,2556 daughter of Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of AUSTRASIA Margrave In Friesland and Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI, was born in 856 in , , Germany 2553 and died on 24 December 903 1447,2550,2553,2554 at age 47. Other names for Hedwige were Hadui, Haduich, Hadwig, Hudui, Hadui Von FRANKENAU, Edwige De La MARCHE, Hathui, Duchess Of SAXONY, and Hathumoda Princess Of SAXONY.
Hedwige married Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY 1601,1784,2550,2551 after 876 in 2ND Wife ? 2318.,2553 Otto was born about 836 in Saxony, Germany 2550 and died on 30 November 912 2550,2552 about age 76. Other names for Otto were Otto Of ERLAUCHTEN, Otto Von ERLAUCHTEN, Otton I L'illustre, Herzog Von SACHSEN, and Otto Le Grand Of SAXONY.
64355108582. Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784 son of Immed Count Of SAXONY and Mathilda Of SAXONY, was born in 853 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany and died from 8 February 916 to 917 1784,2317,2557 at age 63. Other names for Theodoric were Theudebert, Theodoric Of RINGELHEIM, Dietrich Von SAXON-HAMELANT, Theudebert, and Duke Of SAXONY.
Theodoric married Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND 1601,1784 in <Of Ringelheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany>. Roghildis was born about 860 in Friesland, Niedersachsen, Germany and died in 917 1784 about age 57. Other names for Roghildis were Ragenhilda, Reginhilde, and Reinhildis Ludmilla.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Luitgard RINGLEHEIM was born about 900 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany.
iii. Lambert De LOUVAIN was born about 890. Other names for Lambert were Lambert, Count Of DAGSBOURGE, Lambert Af LÖWEN, and RINGELHEIM.
iv. Frederunda Of RINGELHEIM was born in 880 in Ringelheim, Goslar, Hannover, Prussia.
v. Amadrada NORDGAU was born about 858. Other names for Amadrada were Arlinda, Arlinde Of NORDGAU, and Amalrada Of RINGLEHEIM.
64355108583. Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784 daughter of Godefrid King Of Haithabu & RUSTRINGEN and Matilda FRIESLAND, was born about 860 in Friesland, Niedersachsen, Germany and died in 917 1784 about age 57. Other names for Roghildis were Ragenhilda, Reginhilde, and Reinhildis Ludmilla.
General Notes:
Alan Wilson stated that Ludmilla was a daughter of Godefrid by Gisela of Lorraine, but I believe that she was daughter by his 1st wife Matilda.
Roghildis married Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM 1601,1784 in <Of Ringelheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany>. Theodoric was born in 853 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany and died from 8 February 916 to 917 1784,2317,2557 at age 63. Other names for Theodoric were Theudebert, Theodoric Of RINGELHEIM, Dietrich Von SAXON-HAMELANT, Theudebert, and Duke Of SAXONY.
64355108606. Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester 415,1330,2018,2213,2333 was born about 1070 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1129 about age 59. Another name for Walter was Walter Of GLOUCESTER.
Walter married Bertha 2018 in 1087. Bertha was born in 1070 in Frampton-On-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England and died before 1091.
Walter next married Emma De BALLON,2441 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, in 1091. Emma was born about 1070 in Ballon, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
64355108607. Bertha 415,2018 was born in 1070 in Frampton-On-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England and died before 1091.
Bertha married Walter FITZROGER Sheriff Of Gloucester 1330,2018,2213,2333 in 1087. Walter was born about 1070 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1129 about age 59. Another name for Walter was Walter Of GLOUCESTER.
64355108864. Gerard Seigneur De TANCARVILLE 415,1454 was born in 1015 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Gerard was Gerard Sire De TANKERVILLE.
Gerard married Helesinde.1454 Helesinde was born about 1015 in Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
32177554432 i. Raoul I Seigneur De TANCARVILLE (born about 1034 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died about 1080)
ii. Aumary D' ARBITOT was born about 1036 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in Worcestershire, England.
iii. Gerold Sire De ROUMARE was born about 1050 in Roumare, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
64355108865. Helesinde 415,1454 was born about 1015 in Normandy, France.
Helesinde married Gerard Seigneur De TANCARVILLE.1454 Gerard was born in 1015 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Gerard was Gerard Sire De TANKERVILLE.
64355108868. Godfrey Vicomte D' ARQUES,415,2335,2558 son of Godfrey (Gozeline) Vicomte D' ARQUES and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Godfrey married Amelie De ROUEN.2335 Amelie was born about 1010 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Miss D' ARQUES was born about 1025 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
64355108869. Amelie De ROUEN,415,2335 daughter of Jocelyn (Gozelin) Vicomte De ROUEN and Emma Of NORMANDY, was born about 1010 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Amelie married Godfrey Vicomte D' ARQUES 2335.,2558 Godfrey was born about 1010 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
64355108870. William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville,415,1651,2274,2275 son of Mr. MALET Sire De \Graville\ and Daughter Of Leofric Earl Of MERCIA, was born in 1023 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1071 in Yorkshire, England 2274 at age 48.
General Notes:
William Malet, of Granville, Normandy; also held lands in Lincs before 1066 (possibly by virtue of his mother's putative status of Englishwoman); granted the feudal Barony of Eye, Suffolk, following the Conquest, in which he was one of William I's chief lieutenants, being allegedly given the task by William of burying Harold's body after Hastings; Sheriff of Yorks 1068; married Hesilia Crispin (living 1086), gggdau of Rollo The Dane, Duke of Normandy, and died c1071. [Burke's Peerage]
According to Crispin and Macary, "William (Guillaume) Malet de Graville stands out as one of the most imposing figures at the Conquest. There can be no doubt about his presence there, which is subscribed to by William of Poitiers, Guy of Amiens, Orderic Vital, and all the historians of this epoch. So much has been placed on record concerning him that just a few facts of his life will be recited here. He was probably descended from Gerard, a Scandinavian prince and companion of Duke Rollo, which gave the name of the fief of Gerardville or Graville, near Havre. Robert, the eldest son, occurs in a document of about 990 in Normandy. On his mother's side William Malet was of Anglo-Saxon origin, for she was probably the daughter of Leofric, Earl of Mercia, and Godwa or Godgifu, the supposed sister of Thorold the Sheriff in the time of Edward the Confessor, and therefore the aunt of Edwin and Morcar, Earls of Northumberland. He was nearly killed in the battle of Hastings but was rescued by the sire de Montfort and William of Vieuxpont, and was appointed by William the Conqueror to take charge of the body of Harold, a statement that has been disputed. The consensus of opinion favors it, and it is most logical if William Malet's mother was as stated the sister of Algar II., 7th Earl of Mercia, who was the father of Alditha, wife of Harold. He accompanied King William at the reduction of Nottingham and York in 1068, for which he was rewarded with the shreivalty of land in that county. Gilbert de Gand and Robert Fitz Richard were also commanders in this expedition. The following year he was besieged in the castle of York by Edgar, the Saxon prince, and was only saved from surrender by the timely arrival of the Conqueror. In the same year he was attacked by the Danes, who captured the city of York with great slaughter and took William Malet, his wife and children, prisoners, but their lives were spared, as was that of Gilbert de Gand, for the sake of their ransoms. There is evidence that he was slain in this year, but it is uncertain and the date of his death is unknown. An entry in Domesday that "William Malet was seized of this place (Cidestan, Co. Suffolk), where he proceeded on the King's service where he died," would indicate that his death occurred during the compilation of that book. He was witness to a charter of King William to the church of St. Martin-le-Grand, in London, and is there styled "princeps," which title, however, was honorary and not hereditary, having ceased with his death."
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William Malet, or Guillaume, as he may have been called, "Sire de Graville", came from Graville Sainte Honorine between Le Havre and Harfleur, in what is today the French province of Normandy. He is said to have had a Norman father and a Saxon (read English) mother, and had some sort of association with King Harold of England before the conquest. William, through his Saxon mother, may actually have been related to King Harold, and also to the well known Lady Godiva. It is also possible that William and Harold were both God fathers of Duke William of Normandy's daughter, Abela.
The Malet Castle at Graville Sainte Honorine had an important strategic location, at the mouth of the Seine. It has now fallen into the sea, though some remnants of it may still be visible. A large section of wall with large iron rings attached was still there just over 100 years ago. The Abbey church, in which some of the Malets are buried, is now in the town of Le Havre. Though William Malet had connections to both sides in the conflict to come, his main allegiance was to Duke William of Normandy.
William fought with distinction at Hastings, as the following Excerpt from Wace's "Roman de Rou" attests:
William whom they call Mallet,
Boldly throws himself among them;
With his flashing sword
Against the English he makes furious onset;
But his shield they clove,
And his horse beneath him killed,
And himself they would have slain,
When came the Sire de Montfort
And Lord William de Vez-Pont
With the great force which they had,
Him they bravely rescued.
There many of their men they lost;
Mallet they remounted on the field
On a fresh war-horse.
When the battle was over, Duke William entrusted William Malet to attend to the burial of the dead English king. The body was buried under a heap of stones on top of a cliff at Hastings overlooking the shore that Harold had so bravely defended. William placed a stone on the grave with the epitaph:
"By command of the Duke, you rest here a King, O Harold, that you may be guardian still of the shore and sea". This burial of Harold was only temporary and the body was later re-buried at Harold's Abbey at Waltham.
William and his brother Durand held lands in Lincolnshire, England, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, and through the reign of Harold right up to the conquest, in addition to those in Normandy. These Lincolnshire holdings, all in the Danelaw, probably came from William and Durand's mother. After the conquest William's English holdings were greatly increased, again, principally in the Danelaw, as English lands were taken from their Saxon owners and handed over to Norman Barons. It is likely that Duke William conferred these estates on William, partly because of his loyalty and skill in battle, but also because of his prior connections with his Danish "cousins" there. Perhaps the Duke felt that William was the best man to bring these proud, warlike and independent settlers under the control of their new King.
William was dead at the time of the Domesday survey in 1086, but the holdings at that time of his son Robert, and of his wife, give a good indication of the extent of his estates. He held large parts of what are today Suffolk and Norfolk, with smaller amounts of land in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Eye, in Suffolk appears to have been William's stronghold. Here he built a Motte and Bailey castle, after the Norman fashion. Nothing remains of the Norman fortifications, but the outline of the baileys and "Castle Mound", are still evident. There is even a slight indication of where the Market, founded by William Malet under Royal License would have been held.
William married Hesilia Crispin, by whom he had two sons, Robert and Gilbert, and one daughter, Beatrice. Robert and possibly Gilbert, along with their uncle Durand, accompanied their father at the battle of Hastings. The arms shown at the top of the page, likely carried by the Malets at Hastings, were used by many generations of the Malet family, both in England and in France, and can be seen on the Bayeux tapestry.
William was made Sheriff of York and granted considerable lands in Yorkshire following the building of the first Norman castle there (the mound now supports 'Clifford's Tower') in 1068. He and his fellow captains, Robert Fitz-Richard and William of Ghent, with 500 picked knights had to fight off a local revolt, headed by Edgar the Atheling; this in or shortly after January 1069. Robert Fitz-Richard and many of his men were killed and it was only by the timely arrival of King William that the City was saved. The natives remained restless and had another, token go, as soon as King William left but were quickly put down. The troops were strengthened and another castle built on the other side of the river from the original but, notwithstanding, in September 1069, William, his wife and two of his children were captured by a combined force of Danes and English under Sweyn of Denmark supported by Earls Waltheof and Gospatric and the Northumbrians, when York fell to them after a terrible fight. This led to King William ordering the burning and killing of everything in the north and Domesday, even 16 years later, records most of northern England as still being waste and uninhabited.
William, his wife and two children must have been released some time later and William retained most of his lands apart from those in Yorkshire, which will have come with the office of Sheriff, which had been taken from him. At some point the King awarded William the appellation of "Princep", and in the Chart granted by the King to the church of St. Martin le Grand, his signature appears as "Wilielmus Malet Princep". In the context of the times, Princep would likely have been interpreted as "leader, or chief". William is believed to have died fighting "Hereward the Wake" in the Fens near Ely Cathedral, which lies between South Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk (and in the middle of the Malet holdings), in 1071. The Domesday book records that "...He went into the marsh", and that "...he went on the King's service, where he died".
William is generally accepted to be the progenitor of many of the various branches of the Malet family (those that can trace their lines back that far), both in England and in France. The descendants of Durand continued to hold lands in Lincolnshire, and are recorded in Irby on Humber up to the 16th century.
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NORMAN SHERIFFS
By 1066, when William the Conqueror seized power, he replaced all of the existing sheriffs with his own loyal comrades in arms. When William conveyed the offices of sheriff to his Normans, he also bestowed to them the title "Vicomte," which added nobility to their positions. He allowed Vicomte sheriffs to build castles, a powerful symbol of privilege and a far greater honor than had ever been granted to prior Anglo-Saxon sheriffs. The castles were a sign of aggressive force. This fortification symbolism helped identify William as the incomparable authority in the newly conquered land.
The most famous William the Conqueror sheriff was a man named William Malet, a ferocious warrior. During the Battle of Hasting his horse was killed from under him. Mounting a fresh horse, he continued leading the charge, killing the enemy along the way, to a Norman victory. William continued to use Malet to crush insurgent forces within his reign.. . . As a reward, William named Malet the sheriff of Yorkshire.
King William sought aggressive types for the office of sheriff whose ambitions were consistent with his. Those willing to squeeze the peasants to their maximum were the best qualified in William's eyes. He instituted the practice of selling the office to the highest bidder. This brought forth evil men willing to pay exorbitant prices for the office and then willing to do whatever it took to recoup their investment. . . No one spoke out for the peasantry because their only representative to the king was the very sheriffs embezzling them. The most notorious was Picot, Sheriff of Cambridgeshire. . . . Monks describe him as:
a hungry lion, a prowling wolf, a crafty fox, a filthy swine, a dog without shame, who stuffed his belly like an insatiable beast as though the whole country were a single corpse.
If events reduced production within the shires and thereby reduced the prosperity of King William, the sheriff was then forced to press the peasants even more to make up for the deficiency. In 1083, William levied the highest tax assessment of his reign to make up for the previous year's famine and low production. . . . To enhance their income, sheriffs commonly pillaged Church properties. . . .
The only coin in circulation in twelfth century England was the silver penny. It was the responsibility of the sheriff to police the silver content in the coinage. If the sheriff failed to see that the tender did not meet quality assurance in the amount of silver content versus the alloy percentage, he was held personally liable for the shortage. Because this burden was placed on the sheriffs in the area that effected them the most, their pocketbooks. . . .Enforcement of the matter was particularly unkind under the reign of King Henry II to punish offenders that circulated "bastard" coins. The first offense routinely resulted in the severing of a hand or castration. . . .
The coming of King John in 1199 brought about one of the most stirring periods in the history of the medieval sheriff. . . . As King John waged war against the Welsh, the French, and the Irish, he placed the emphasis upon the sheriffs to finance his wars. . . . Because of the sheriff's authority and ability to raise funds, the 13th century saw the sheriff as the most powerful administrative force in medieval England. . . .
King John personally knew every one of the 100 or so sheriffs that he appointed between 1199 and 1216. Some were his intimate friends and most trusted advisors. In contrast to the prior practice of King Richard, he appointed only two members of the Church to the post. He instead chose to select intense, secular men, with strong military backgrounds. . . . His deliberate selection of men of harsh demeanor . . . was considered by people of his time as a substantive answer for the difficult issues of the day . . . tough men for tough times. . .
William married Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN 2275.,2276 Hesilia was born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1086 2275.
64355108871. Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN,415,2275,2276 daughter of Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec and Gunnora D' AUNOU, was born about 1028 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 1086 2275.
Hesilia married William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville 1651,2274.,2275 William was born in 1023 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France and died in 1071 in Yorkshire, England 2274 at age 48.
64355110448. Ulfius SHRATLINGUSSON,415,2018 son of Shratlingus URSUSSON and Unknown, was born about 945 in Denmark.
Ulfius married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555224 i. Biorn ULFIUSSON Jarl Of Denmark (born about 970 in Denmark - died in 1049 in Murdered In Bosham, Sussex, England)
64355110452. Uchtred I Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA,1864,2018,2185,2559 son of Waltheof Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA and Unknown, was born about 961 in Northumbria, England and died in 1016 in Murdered By Thursband In Wighill, Yorkshire, England 2559 about age 55. Another name for Uchtred was Ughtred Earl Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
Uchtred married Ecgfrida Of DURHAM.2018 Ecgfrida was born about 962 in Durham, Northumberland, England.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555226 i. Aldred Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA (born about 983 in Northumbria, England - died in 1038)
Uchtred next married Alfgifu (Elgiva) Princess Of ENGLAND,1864,2185,2559 daughter of Aethelred II "The Unready" King Of WESSEX and Alffaed (Ealflaed\Aelfgifu) THOREDSDOTTIR, about 1010 in England. Alfgifu was born about 987 in Wessex, England.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Aeldgyth (Edith) Of NORTHUMBRIA was born about 1015 in Northumbria, England.2560 Another name for Aeldgyth was Edith Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
64355110453. Ecgfrida Of DURHAM,2018 daughter of Ealdhun Bishop Of DURHAM and Unknown, was born about 962 in Durham, Northumberland, England.
Ecgfrida married Uchtred I Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA 1864,2018,2185.,2559 Uchtred was born about 961 in Northumbria, England and died in 1016 in Murdered By Thursband In Wighill, Yorkshire, England 2559 about age 55. Another name for Uchtred was Ughtred Earl Of NORTHUMBERLAND.
64355110456. Baudouin II Comte De BOULOGNE,2053,2338,2561 son of Arnulf II Comte De BOULOGNE and Daughter Of The Castellan Of LENS, was born about 976 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2053 and died in 1033 2053,2338 about age 57. Another name for Baudouin was Ernicule "Le Petit Arnoul" Comte De BOULOGNE.
General Notes: According to Todd A. Farmerie, Ernicule de Boulogne is not an alias for Baudouin, but represents an alternate ancestry for Eustace. Todd gave the ancestry which I have for Baudouin. This differs from Turton, who has Baudouin as son of Gui Comte de Boulogne, Gui as son of Ernicule Comte de Boulogne (d. 972), and Ernicule as 2nd son of Guillaume I de Ponthieu, who is in my files. Todd Farmerie says that Ernicule is diminutive name for a young Arnoul/Arnulf, and probably refers to Arnulf II of Boulogne, or maybe Baudouin as the son of Arnulf II.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1024. 2561
Baudouin married Adele Of HOLLAND 2467 in 1st Husband.2338 Adele was born about 985 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium.2053 Another name for Adele was Adele Of GHENT.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555228 i. Eustace I Count Of BOULOGNE (born about 1004 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died in 1049)
64355110457. Adele Of HOLLAND,415,2467 daughter of Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 985 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium.2053 Another name for Adele was Adele Of GHENT.
General Notes: Many sources have Adele as mother of Hugues/Hugh II Comte de Ponthieu. However this is impossible if she married Enguerrand in or after 1033 when her first husband Baudouin Comte de Boulogne died. There is some doubt as to the sequence of events as the following excerpt of a post to SGM, 14 Nov 1998, by Leo van de Pas, illustrates:
According to Genealogie der Graven van Holland, by Dr. AWE Dek, page 12. Arnulf 'may' have had a daughter named Aleida,and this Aleida was married to Engelram I Count of Pontieu who died circa 1045. As footnote this books refers to: For this family see C. Brunel, Recueil des Actes des comtes de Ponthieu, Paris 1930.
Now comes the interesting bit, Schwennicke Volume III/4 page 635. Enguerrand I de Ponthieu married Adeliva, widow of Baudouin Comte de Boulogne, and Adeliva is POSSIBLY daughter of Arnulf van Friesland. That sounds positive until you get hold of page 621 of the same book, the page covering the Counts of Boulogne. There is no mention of a Baudouin/Balduin who married an Adeliva........
Adele married Enguerrand I Comte De PONTHIEU,1120,2465 son of Lord Of Abbeville Hugues I Comte De PONTHIEU and Gisèle Princess Of FRANCE, after 1033 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.1120 Enguerrand was born about 985 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died about 20 September 1045 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 2466 about age 60. Another name for Enguerrand was Enguerrand De MONTREUIL.
Adele next married Baudouin II Comte De BOULOGNE 2053,2338,2561 in 1st Husband.2338 Baudouin was born about 976 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2053 and died in 1033 2053,2338 about age 57. Another name for Baudouin was Ernicule "Le Petit Arnoul" Comte De BOULOGNE.
64355110458. Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN,415,1882,2562 son of Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT and Adele Of LOUVAIN, was born about 950 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium 2562 and died on 12 September 1015 in Battle Of Florennes 1882,2562 about age 65.
General Notes: Lambert, Count of Louvain, called "The Bearded"; was killed at the Battle of Florennes defending his nephew's County of Hainault against the newly created Duke Godfrey of Brabant. [Burke's Peerage]
Lambert married Gerberga Of LORRAINE 2562 between 985 and 990.2562 Gerberga was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France 2562 and died from 27 January 1017 to 1018 2562 about age 42.
Children from this marriage were:
32177555229 ii. Mahaut (Maud) De LOUVAIN (born about 1004 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium)
iii. Landrade De LOUVAIN was born before 1016 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Landrade was Landrade Of LORRAINE.
64355110459. Gerberga Of LORRAINE,2562 daughter of Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Adelaide (Adelheid) De VERDUN, was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France 2562 and died from 27 January 1017 to 1018 2562 about age 42.
Gerberga married Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN 1882,2562 between 985 and 990.2562 Lambert was born about 950 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium 2562 and died on 12 September 1015 in Battle Of Florennes 1882,2562 about age 65.
64355110460. Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1601,1746,2266,2495 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.
General Notes:
Richard II, byname RICHARD The GOOD, French RICHARD le BON (d. 1026/27), duke of Normandy (996-1026/27), son of Richard I the Fearless. He held his own against a peasant insurrection, helped Robert II of France against the duchy of Burgundy, and repelled an English attack on the Cotentin Peninsula that was led by the Anglo-Saxon king Ethelred II the Unready. He also pursued a reform of the Norman monasteries. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]
Richard married Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE 1601,2266 about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Judith was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.
Richard next married Poppa D' ENVERMEU 2496 about 1024 of Normandy, Frances.2496 Poppa was born about 970 in France and died after 1024.
Richard next married Astrid (Margaret) Princess Of DENMARK,2496 daughter of Sven (Sweyn) "Forkbeard" King Denmark & ENGLAND and Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA, after 1017 in 2ND Wife.2496 Astrid was born about 990 in Denmark and died about 1024 about age 34.
Richard next married Duchess Of Envermeu Papia (Popa) NORMANDY 1601 in 1024 in , Normandy, France. Papia was born in 997 in Ponthieu, Picardy, France and died in Y.
Richard next married Princess Of Denmark Estrith Margarite SVENDSDATTER,1601 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, about 1026 in <, , Normandie, France>. Estrith was born about 997 in Of, , , Denmark, died on 9 May, and was buried in Cathedral, Roskilde, Roskilde, Denmark.
64355110461. Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE,415,1601,1746,2266 daughter of Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes and Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU, was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.
Judith married Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2266,2495 about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Richard was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.
64355110656. Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS,415,2563 son of Aubri 'Dux' Of GATINAIS Vicount Of Orleans and Unknown, was born in 890 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died about 942 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 about age 52. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey Viscount Of ORLEANS.
Geoffrey married Ava Of ARVERNE,2563 daughter of Hector Of ARVERNE and Ava (Aba) D' AUVERGNE Abbess Of Sauxillanges. Ava was born about 893 in Auvergne, France 2563 and died after 942 2563.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Aubri Count Of GATINAIS Count In The Gatinias was born about 910 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died after 966.
ii. Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS was born in 915 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died in 952 2563 at age 37.
Geoffrey next married.
The child from this marriage was:
64355110658. Foulques III (Fulk) "The Black" Comte D' ANJOU Count,415,1601,1746,2069,2564,2565 son of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born on 21 June 967 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 June 1040 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France 2564 at age 73.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 972. 2565
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 22 May 1040. 2565
Foulques married Elizabeth De VENDOME,1601,2566 daughter of "The Old" Bouchard IV Count Of VENDOME and Elizabeth Countess Of CORBIEL, before 989 in , , , France.2566 Elizabeth was born in 960 in Vendome, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France and died in December 999 in Angers, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France (Boiled To Death) 2566 at age 39.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Adele D' ANJOU Comtesse De Vendome was born about 999 in Vendome, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France.
Foulques next married Hildegarde Countess Of ANJOU 1601,2069,2564 after 1000 in Anjou, France 2069.,2564 Hildegarde was born in 964 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 1 April 1046 in Jerusalem, , Palastein 2564 at age 82.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Geoffrey Martel PLANTAGENET Count was born about 990 in Loire Valley, France.
64355110659. Hildegarde Countess Of ANJOU 1601,1746,2069,2564 was born in 964 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 1 April 1046 in Jerusalem, , Palastein 2564 at age 82.
Hildegarde married Foulques III (Fulk) "The Black" Comte D' ANJOU Count 1601,2069,2564,2565 after 1000 in Anjou, France 2069.,2564 Foulques was born on 21 June 967 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 June 1040 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France 2564 at age 73.
64355110664. Lancelin I Seigneur De BEAUGENCY,2567,2568 son of Landry Seigneur De BEAUGENCY and Unknown, was born about 995 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died in 1055 2567,2568 about age 60.
Lancelin married Paule Du MAINE 2341.,2569 Paule was born about 1004 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Lancelin II Seigneur De Fleche & De BEAUGENCY was born about 1020 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2570 and died after 24 September 1098 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2570. Another name for Lancelin was Lancelin Seigneur De BAUGENCY.
64355110665. Paule Du MAINE,2341,2569 daughter of Herbert I Eveillechien Comte Du MAINE and Unknown, was born about 1004 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
Paule married Lancelin I Seigneur De BEAUGENCY 2567.,2568 Lancelin was born about 995 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died in 1055 2567,2568 about age 60.
64355110666. Hugh III D'este Comte Du MAINE,2341,2571 son of Alberto Azzo II Marquis D' ESTE and Gersende Du MAINE, was born about 1049 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died in 1097 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2341 about age 48. Another name for Hugh was Hugues D' ESTE Comte Du Maine.
Hugh married Miss GUISCARD.2571 Miss was born about 1049 in Apulia, Cala, Italy. Another name for Miss was Miss De HAUTEVILLE.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555333 i. Paule D'este Du MAINE (born about 1065 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France)
64355110667. Miss GUISCARD,415,2571 daughter of Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia and Albreda (Auberee\Alberada) De BURGUNDY, was born about 1049 in Apulia, Cala, Italy. Another name for Miss was Miss De HAUTEVILLE.
Miss married Hugh III D'este Comte Du MAINE 2341.,2571 Hugh was born about 1049 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died in 1097 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2341 about age 48. Another name for Hugh was Hugues D' ESTE Comte Du Maine.
64355110668. Robert Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE,2572 son of Aimon (Hamelin) Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE and Hildeburge De BELLEME, was born about 1006 in Chateau du Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died in 1065 2573 about age 59.
Robert married Elizabeth.2573 Elizabeth was born in 1010 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555334 i. Gervase Seigneur De CHATEAU DU LOIRE (born about 1030 of Chateau, Eure-Et-Loire, France)
64355110669. Elizabeth 2573 was born in 1010 in France.
Elizabeth married Robert Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE.2572 Robert was born about 1006 in Chateau du Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died in 1065 2573 about age 59.
64355110676. Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,415,1601,1746,2112,2346 son of Arnold II Count Of FLANDERS and Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy, was born between 967 and 968 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 1270 and died on 30 May 1036 in , Flanders, Nord, France 2112,2291 about age 68. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin IV De LILLE Count Of Flanders.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 980. 2346
Baudouin married Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2112,2291 about 1004 in Of, , Flanders, France.2291 Ogive was born about 988 in Luxemburg and died from 21 February 1029 to 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium 2291 about age 41.
Baudouin next married Judith De NORMANDY,2517 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, about 1031 in 3rd Wife.2517 Judith was born about 1007 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Baudouin next married Countess Of Flanders Eléonore De NORMANDIE,1601 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE. Eléonore was born about 1009 in Of, , Normandie and died in Y.
64355110677. Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2112,2291 daughter of Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG and Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 988 in Luxemburg and died from 21 February 1029 to 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium 2291 about age 41.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth Luxemburg, Abt 995. 2291
Ogive married Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders 1601,2112,2346 about 1004 in Of, , Flanders, France.2291 Baudouin was born between 967 and 968 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 1270 and died on 30 May 1036 in , Flanders, Nord, France 2112,2291 about age 68. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin IV De LILLE Count Of Flanders.
64355110678. Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2468,2469,2470 son of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 970. 1524,2468
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 985. 2472
• Ruled: 996-1031.
Robert married Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy 1601,2112,2474 before 1 April 988 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife - Repudiated 992.2473 Rosela was born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe,2475 died from 26 January 1002 to 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium 2112,2475,2476 about age 57, and was buried on 7 February 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium.2476 Other names for Rosela were Rosele, Rosella,2477 Susanna Av IVREA, and Rosala De TOSCANE.
Robert next married Bertha Of ARLES,2478,2479 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, in 995 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Repudiated 998.2472 Bertha was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1001. 2472
Robert next married Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE 1601,2237,2470,2471 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Constance was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.
Robert next married Queen Of France Bertha Princess Of BURGUNDY 1601 in , , , France. Bertha was born in 967 in Burgundy, , France and died from 16 January 1015 to 1016 at age 48.
64355110679. Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE,415,1601,1746,2237,2470,2471 daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.
Constance married Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE 1601,2468,2469,2470 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Robert was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.
64355110680. Crinan The Thane Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD,415,1416,2574,2575 son of Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD and Nn Of The ISLES, was born in 978 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland 1416,2576 and died in 1045 in Killed In Battle Against Macbeth, Who (1040) Slew His Son Duncan 1416,2576 at age 67. Another name for Crinan was Crinan The THANE Lay Abbot Of Dunkeld.
General Notes:
Crinan; Lay Abbot of Dunkeld; married c1000 Bethoc, elder daughter of Malcolm II, and was killed 1045 in battle against Macbeth (the historic figure who murdered Crinan's elder son Duncan I, and subsequently is portrayed as having usurped the Scottish throne, most famously by Shakespeare), leaving (Maldred), with an elder son (Duncan I "The Gracious" King of Scots 1034-40; ancestor of the Sovereigns of England and later England, Ireland, Scotland, Great Britain, etc.). [Burke's Peerage]
Crinan the Thane (Albanock, Grimus), of the kin of St. Columba, Lord of the Isles, Governor of Scots Island, Earl of Strathclye, hereditary Abbot of Dunkeld.
Given name spelled: Crínán [Ref: Henry Project]
Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, Governor of the Scots Islands [Ref: Weis AR7 170:19]
Heriditary Abbott of Dunkeld, or the Kindred of St. Columba [Ref: Royal Highness: Ancestors of the Royal Child by Sir Ian Moncreiffe, 1982, Hamish Hamilton, London Pg 20]
In what was probably a shrewd political move, Malcolm II married his daughter Bethoc to a representative of the other major center of political power in Scotland, the church. Considering the close ties between ruling dynasties and the offices of major abbacies throughout Ireland and Scotland, it is also possible that Crinan was descended from a king of the Scots, which would completely legitimize his son's rule. [Ref: The Genealogy of the Early Medieval Scottish Kings, Edinburgh by Michael R. Davidson 1995, Holland House, Edinburgh, Scotland]
Malcolm's elder daughter Bethoc married Crinan 'the Thane', lay abbot of Dunkeld. At this period, when Celtic Monasticism was in decline, lay abbots appear to have been as accepted a part of the ecclesiastical structure as they became centuries later on the eve of the Reformation. Crinan was a great nobleman, as his title implies, and he possessed the added prestige of belonging to the kindred of St. Columba. It was from his abbacy of Dunkeld that the new royal House took its name, for Crinan and Bethoc were the parents of King Duncan I...Meanwhile, Macbeth consolidated his triumph by defeating and slaying Duncan's father, Crinan, in a battle at Dunkeld in 1045. [Ref: The Kings and Queens of Scotland]
Macbeth...probably a grandson of Malcolm II...asserted his claim to the throne against Duncan I, whom he killed near Elgin. In 1045 he killed Crinan, Duncan's father in battle, but in 1057 he was himself killed by Duncan's son, Malcolm Canmore (Malcolm III). [Ref: A Dictionary of British History by J.P. Kenyon, 1983 Stein and Day, Scarborough House, Briarcliff Manor, NY]
Research note: Supposed father: Since the abbacy of Dunkeld appears to have been hereditary in Crínán's family (his grandson Æthelred held the title), it has sometimes been suggested that Crínán may have been the son of this earlier abbot of Dunkeld whose death is known form both the Irish and Scottish sources [e.g., AU; ESSH 1: 471, 473, 577; KKES 252]. While the relationship is not impossible (assuming that Crínán's father died when he was an infant), there is no known evidence to support it, and it cannot be accepted without further evidence [Ref: Henry Project citing:
AU = Seán Mac Airt and Gearóid Mac Niocaill, The Annals of Ulster, Dublin, 1983
ESSH = Alan Orr Anderson, Early Sources of Scottish History, 2 vols. (Edinburgh, 1922, reprinted Stamford, 1990)
KKES = Marjorie Ogilvy Anderson, Kings and Kingship in Early Scotland (Edinburgh, Totowa, NJ, 1973)]
Crinan married Bethoc (Beatrix) Princess Of SCOTLAND 1416,2574 in 1000 1416.,2576 Bethoc was born about 984 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland and died in 1045 about age 61.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Maldred Lord Of Carlisle & ALLERDALE was born in 1003 in Allerdale, Cumbria, England and died in 1045 in Slain In Battle Avenging Duncan's Murder By Macbeth 2185,2577 at age 42. Another name for Maldred was Aldred Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA.
iii. Daughter Of Crinan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD was born about 1010 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland. Another name for Daughter was Miss De MORMAER.
64355110681. Bethoc (Beatrix) Princess Of SCOTLAND,415,1416,2574 daughter of Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND and Aelgifu Sigurdsdottir Of OSSORY, was born about 984 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland and died in 1045 about age 61.
Bethoc married Crinan The Thane Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD 1416,2574,2575 in 1000 1416.,2576 Crinan was born in 978 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland 1416,2576 and died in 1045 in Killed In Battle Against Macbeth, Who (1040) Slew His Son Duncan 1416,2576 at age 67. Another name for Crinan was Crinan The THANE Lay Abbot Of Dunkeld.
64355110682. Biorn ULFIUSSON Jarl Of Denmark,415,2018 son of Ulfius SHRATLINGUSSON and Unknown, was born about 970 in Denmark and died in 1049 in Murdered In Bosham, Sussex, England about age 79. Another name for Biorn was Biorn ESTRIDSEN Jarl Of Denmark.
64355110684. Edmund II "Ironside" King Of ENGLAND,415,505,1416,2578,2579 son of Aethelred II "The Unready" King Of WESSEX and Alffaed (Ealflaed\Aelfgifu) THOREDSDOTTIR, was born about 993 in Wessex, England 1416,2579 and died on 30 November 1016 in Oxfordshire, England 1416,2578,2579 about age 23.
General Notes: Edmund II, byname EDMUND IRONSIDE (b. c 993 - d. 30 Nov 1016), king of the English from 30 April to 30 Nov 1016, surnamed "Ironside" for his staunch resistance to a massive invasion led by the Danish king Canute.
The son of King Ethelred II the Unready (reigned 978-1016), Edmund defied his father's orders by marrying (1015) the widow of one of the Danish lords then occupying English territory. Nevertheless, when Canute invaded England later in 1015, Edmund raised an army in northern England and ravaged regions that would not rally to his cause.
Upon Edthelred's death (April 1016), a small number of councillors and citizens of London proclaimed Edmund as their ruler, but a larger body of nobles at Southampton declared for Canute. Edmund then launched a series of offensives against his rival. He recovered Wessex and relieved London of a siege before being decisively defeated by Canute at Ashington, Essex on October 18. In the ensuing peace settlement, Edmund retained Wessex, while Canute held the lands north of the River Thames. After Edmund died (probably of natural causes), Canute became sole ruler of England. [Encyclopaedia Britannica]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 989. 2578
• Ruled: 1016-1016
Edmund married Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA 1416,2531,2578,2580 in August 1015 in London, Middlesex, England (2ND Husb).2579 Ealgyth was born about 993 in Mercia, England.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555342 i. Edward "The Exile\Aetheling" Prince Of ENGLAND (born in 1016 in Wessex, England - died in 1057 in London, Middlesex, England)
64355110685. Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA,415,505,1416,2531,2578,2580 daughter of Aelfthryth Of MERCIA and Ealdgyth Morcarsdottir Of MERCIA, was born about 993 in Mercia, England.
Ealgyth married Sigeferth (Siferth) Thegn Of The Seven BOROUGHS 2531 in 1st Husband.2531 Sigeferth was born about 985 in Wessex, England and died in 1015 in (Killed) 2531 about age 30.
The child from this marriage was:
64355108407 i. Aelfgifu Of The Seven BOROUGHS (born before 1016 in Wessex, England)
Ealgyth next married Edmund II "Ironside" King Of ENGLAND 1416,2578,2579 in August 1015 in London, Middlesex, England (2ND Husb).2579 Edmund was born about 993 in Wessex, England 1416,2579 and died on 30 November 1016 in Oxfordshire, England 1416,2578,2579 about age 23.
64355110686. Stephen I King Of HUNGARY St.,415,2581 son of Geza Duke Of HUNGARY and Sarolta Of TRANSYLVANIA, was born about 975 in Esztergom, Hungary and died on 15 August 1038 in Esztergom, Hungary about age 63.
General Notes:
Stephen I, the first King of Hungary. Recognized by the Pope as the formal ruler of that land in the year 1001, Stephen set about trying to enforce Christianity upon the largely pagan German and Slav population - who then spent most of their time till then fighting off the Asiatic Magyar invaders. When Stephen died in 1038, the country collapsed into anarchy which culminated in serious anti-Christian outbursts. This created the pretext the Christian Byzantine Empire needed to step in and annex the country. This contemporary illustration of Stephen is interesting in its own right. It shows very clearly that the Asiatic Magyar invasion had been all but wiped out, despite their name sticking to that land. Very few Hungarians are actually Magyars, as only a small percentage of that Asiatic race were absorbed into the White population.
Stephen married Gisela Of BAVARIA 2581 in 996. Gisela was born about 985 in Bavaria and died from 14 February 1042 to 1043 about age 57.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555343 i. Agatha Of HUNGARY (born about 1020 in Hungary - died on 13 July 1054 in Scotland)
64355110687. Gisela Of BAVARIA,415,2581 daughter of Henry II "The Quarrelsome" Duke Of BAVARIA and Gisela Of BURGUNDY, was born about 985 in Bavaria and died from 14 February 1042 to 1043 about age 57.
Gisela married Stephen I King Of HUNGARY St. 2581 in 996. Stephen was born about 975 in Esztergom, Hungary and died on 15 August 1038 in Esztergom, Hungary about age 63.
64355110688. Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI,1449,2280 son of Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches and Miss Countess Of BAYEUX, was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.
General Notes: Note: Roger Toeni's 1st wife, Stephanie, is questioned by some; especially her 2nd marriage to Garcias of Spain while Toeni was still alive. I agree that it does not make much sense. However
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Roger de Toeni, also called Roger de Conches; fought Muslims in Spain; married 1st? Stephanie (m. 2nd Garsias, King of Spain) sister of Raymond Berenger, Count of Barcelona; married 2nd? Godeheut (m. 2nd Richard, 3rd Count of Evreux), and died 1038 or 1039 in battle against a neighboring noble whose territory he had overrun in a revolt against the succession of William I the Conqueror to his father's Norman possessions on the grounds that William was illegitimate. [Burke's Peerage]
Note: According to BP, Roger married two different women as 1st husband, both married later husbands. There is no explanation given. Did the first marriage end in divorce? As stated above, I am treating the women as the same person.
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ROGER DE TOENI I, styled also DE CONCHES, son and heir, was born probably about 990, for as stated above he was joined with his father in the custody of the castle of Tillières in 1013 or 1014. He was a powerful and haughty man, and banner-bearer of all Normandy. In 1031 or 1032 he attested a charter of Robert I for St. Wandrille. About 1035 he founded the abbey of Chatillon or Conches. While Duke Robert was away on pilgrimage, he went to Spain and distinguished himself in fighting the infidels (b). When he returned to Normandy, he was furious to learn that the boy William had succeeded his father in the Duchy, declaring that a bastard ought not to rule over him and other Normans.
Accordingly he rebelled and ravaged the lands of his neighbours, particularly those of Humphrey de Vieilles; whose son Roger de Beaumont marched against him, and in the battle which followed Roger de Toeni and two of his sons were slain. He was a benefactor to the abbey of I'Estrée and confirmed a gift to the abbey of Lire, and witnessed a charter for Jumièges. He married, perhaps 2ndly,[g] Godeheut, whose parentage is unknown. He died as above, probably in 1038 or 1039, and was buried 1 May at Conches. His widow married Richard, 3rd COUNT OF EVREUX. She was a benefactor to Conches. [Complete Peerage XII/1:755-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(b) Will. de Jumieges, p. 157---by Orderic. In consequence he was styled sometimes Roger of Spain (Orderic, vol i, p. 180; vol iii, p. 338), or Roger the Spaniard (Idem, vol ii, p. 64). However, if the Roger, son of Count Rodulf (cf, p. 755, note "a" above), who according to the Sens Chron. led an army from Normandy to Spain, can be identified with Roger de Toeni, he is said to have gone there at a much earlier date; and after defeating the Saracens, is said to have married a Spanish woman and lived there for 15 years. Then owing to the treachery of the natives he lost most of his men and, leaving his wife in Spain, he returned to Normandy; where he made a concord with Duke Richard, who was displeased at the loss of his army. Afterwards Roger was killed, fighting against a certain neighbor (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, p. 223). This Roger's feats in Spain are recorded also by Ademar, who calls him simply Roger, and does not say how long he stayed there (Idem, p. 156). No other Norman than Roger de Toeni seems to be known, who could be identified with the hero of these stories. Cf. Prentout, op. cit., p. 86. See also p. 755, note (a) above and note (g) below. See "Tony of Belvoir", Charles Evans, "Geneal. Mag.", vol 15, 1968, pp. 616-18. [last sentence, referencing Charles Evans, added by CP XIV:613]
[g] Roger, son of Count Rodulf (see note "b" above), married, in Spain, Stephanie, sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias, King of Spain (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, p. 223). This agrees with the statement of Ademar, that he m. a da. (unnamed) of the widowed Ermensede, Countess of Barcelona ((Idem, p. 156), the mother of Raymond abovenamed. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he married Godeheut while his 1st wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garsias III, King of Navarre, while Roger was living.
Note: The note "a", p. 755, referred to above is under Roger's father, Ralph.
Roger married Stephanie (Adelaide) De BARCELONA,1449,2455,2456 daughter of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, in 1st Husband.1449 Stephanie was born about 1015 in Barcelona, Spain and died in 1051 about age 36.
Roger next married Godheut 1449,2279 before 1025 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1449.,2279 Godheut was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.
Roger next married Godeheut BORRELL, daughter of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, about 1015 in Conches, Seine-Et-Marne, France. Godeheut was born about 995 in Tosni, France and died after 1077 in Tosni, France.
64355110689. Godheut 415,1449,2279 was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.
Godheut married Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI 1449,2280 before 1025 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1449.,2279 Roger was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.
Godheut next married Richard Comte D' EVREUX 1449,2279 after 1038 in 2ND Husband 1449.,2279 Richard was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France and died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1270 about age 81.
64355110690. Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT,415,1382,2013,2014,2015,2016 son of Amaury II Seigneur De MONTFORT and Bertrade (Berteis) De GOMETZ, was born about 1030 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,1382 died about 1087 2016,2017 about age 57, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
General Notes:
THE ANCESTORS OF SIMON DE MONTFORT EARL OF LEICESTER (II)
Simon de Montfort, son and heir. He is styled son of Amauri by Orderic. In 1058 he attested a charter of Henry I to St. Germain-des-Pres. About 1063 he took a leading part in persuading Duke William to recall Ralph de Tosny and Hugh de Grandmesnil from exile. On 13 Apr 1066 he was at Fecamp with William and his court, and attested an Act for the Abbey of Coulumbs. In the same year, at Meulan, Simon and his wife (unnamed) confirmed a gift by Richard FitzHerluin of certain lands in "villa sancti Hilari" to the same abbey, the said lands being part of the inheritance of Simon's wife. In 1067 Simon witnessed, in Paris, a charter of Philip I to St. Martin-des-Champs, and in 1072, with his son Amauri, attested another charter of the same king, confirming the gift to St. Magloire by "quidam miles de castro qui Montefortis vocatur Symon nomine" of the churches of St. Peter and St. Laurence situate "in eodem castro".
Simon married three times. His 1st wife is said to have been Isabel, daughter of Hugh Bardoul, Seigneur of Brozes, and dame de Nogent; the name of the 2nd wife is unknown, and there is no proved issue of the 2nd marriage. By his 1st wife he had a son Amauri, who succeeded him, and a daughter Isabel or Elizabeth, who m. Ralph de Tosny. He m. 3rdly, Agnes, sister and in her issue heiress of William, 3rd Count of Evreux in Normandy, being also stepsister to Ralph de Tosny, and daughter of Richard, 2nd Count of Evreux. By her he appears to have had Richard and Simon, who, in turn succeeded their half-brother Amauri, and William (e); and he certainly had by her a son Amauri, who succeeded the last-named Simon, and a daughter Bertrade (f). Simon d. in or shortly after 1087, and was buried at Epernon. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1]
(e) He [William] was a clerk, and attested in 1093 as William, son of Simon de Montfort.
(f) She [Bertrade] m. as his 4th wife, Fulk IV, Count of Anjou. She deserted him for Philip I of France.
Simon married Isabella De BROYES Dame De Nogent 2016,2018 about 1055 in 1st Wife 2016.,2018 Isabella was born about 1034 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1058 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France. Other names for Isabella were Isabel De BROZES Dame De Nogent-Le-Roi,2015, and2016 Isabella De Broyes Dame De NOGENT.
Simon next married Agnes D' EVREUX,1379,1382,2016,2017 daughter of Richard Comte D' EVREUX and Godheut, about 1064 in 3rd Wife 1379,1382.,2016 Agnes was born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France.1382
Simon next married Elizabeth De BROYES. Elizabeth died after 1066.
64355110691. Isabella De BROYES Dame De Nogent,415,2016,2018 daughter of Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROYES and Elizabeth De SOURS, was born about 1034 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1058 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France. Other names for Isabella were Isabel De BROZES Dame De Nogent-Le-Roi,2015, and2016 Isabella De Broyes Dame De NOGENT.
General Notes: Simon married three times. His 1st wife is said to have been Isabel, daughter of Hugh Bardoul, Seigneur of Brozes, and dame de Nogent; the name of the 2nd wife is unknown, and there is no proved issue of the 2nd marriage. By his 1st wife he had a son Amauri, who succeeded him, and a daughter Isabel or Elizabeth, who m. Ralph de Tosny. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1]
Note: See notes under father Hugh about Brozes .vs. Broyes.
Isabella married Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT 1382,2013,2014,2015,2016 about 1055 in 1st Wife 2016.,2018 Simon was born about 1030 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,1382 died about 1087 2016,2017 about age 57, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
64355110696. Baudouin VI Count (I Of Hainault) Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2112,2282,2582,2583 son of Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE, was born in 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium,2349 died on 7 July 1070 in Abbey Of Hasnon, Belgium 2112,2350 at age 40, and was buried in Hasnon Abbey. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin VI Count Of FLANDERS.
General Notes:
From: Peter Stewart ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Richilde, wife of William FitzOsbern, Earl of Hereford
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-15 00:52:54 PST
My memory was right for a change - according to 'Annales Elnonenses'_ [in _Les annales de Saint-Pierre de Gand et de Saint-Amand_, edited by Philip Grierson (Brussels, 1937)] under 1050 (actually 1051): "Balduinus interim iunior, Adele filius, consensu patris accepta illicite uxore, castellum Monz obtinuit, post pasca. Nam eo anno in kalendis Aprilis pasca Domini fuit" (Meanwhile Balduin the younger, son of Adela, took an unlawful bride with his father's consent, obtained the castle of Mons, after Easter. In that year Easter fell on 31 March). NB in MGH SS V p 13 Pertz had read "illicite" as "Iudita", and Richilde has been given Judith as a second or alternative name by some historians; but Grierson with the advantage of ultra-violet light was able to correct the word.
This statement of the Elnon annals is interesting for several reasons. First, the mention of obtaining Mons in the same sentence as the marriage possibly accounts for the idea that Richilde may have been daughter of Regnier, count of Mons, as in CP. However, annals kept at Lobbes and Liège appear to put a different spin on this [see 'Annales Laubienses' and 'Annales Leodienses' edited by Gerog Heinrich Pertz in MGH SS IV p 20, parallel texts under 1051, respectively: "Balduinus cum filio suo Balduino rebellat, invaso Haino" and "Balduinus cum Balduino filio suo rebellat, invaso Monte Castriloci" (Balduin rebelled with his son Balduin [the younger], by invading Hainaut/Mons). 'Annales Elmarenses' (edited by Philip Grierson, op cit p 92) add, under 1052: "Ricild, vidua Hermanni comitis, recepit in castrum Montensum Baldwinum iuvenem comitem" (Richilde, widow of Count Hermann, submitted to Count Balduin the younger in Mons castle). There seems little reason to conclude that this was any more than the place where they encountered each other & likely were married straight away, one of the strongholds of the county Richilde was ruling after her first husband's death.
Secondly, there is no mention in the local annals of any relationship between Richilde and Pope Leo (Bruno of Egisheim), despite the very next entry in 'Annales Elmarenses' recording his death. The counts of Flanders had made a practice of marrying well-connected ladies, and a niece of the reigning pope would surely have been an addition to their family prestige that the local monks might have felt especially noteworthy. I'm inclined to disagree on this point with Thierry, and think Pirenne was probably closer to the mark about a stretched interpretation of "avunculus" than was Vanderkindere in making this relationship immediate.
Peter Stewart
Note: The last paragraph involves the controversy over Richilde's ancestry. Thierry Stasser (and many other sources including CP & AR) have Richilde as a daughter of a brother/sister of Pope Leo IX (who was born Bruno Egisheim, son of Hugo/Hugh Count of Egisheim. However Pirenne (above) says the relationship with Leo IX came through Richilde's 1st husband Herman's maternal grandmother, who was sister of Leo IX's mother; and that Richilde is descended from some other line. Richilde is referred to as niece of Leo IX in several documents, but it is "possible" that the relationship was less close & not even a blood relationship.
Baudouin married Richilde Countess Von EGISHEIM 2112,2582,2583,2584,2585,2586 in 1051 in 2ND Husband 2112.,2584 Richilde was born about 1030 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France, died from 15 March 1086 to 1087 in Mechelen, Flemish Region, Belgium 2084,2112,2587 about age 56, and was buried in Abbey Of Hasnon, Belgium. Another name for Richilde was Richilde Countess Of HAINAULT.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd husband, Abt 1055. 2282,2349
The child from this marriage was:
32177555348 i. Baudouin II Count Of HAINAULT (born in 1056 in Hainault, Belgium - died in 1099 in Holy Land)
Baudouin next married Richildis De HAINAULT 1601 in 1055 in Of, , Hainaut, Belgium. Richildis was born in 1034 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium and died in Y.
64355110697. Richilde Countess Von EGISHEIM,2112,2582,2583,2584,2585,2586 daughter of Gerard I Count Von EGISHEIM and Petronilla Of VERDUN, was born about 1030 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France, died from 15 March 1086 to 1087 in Mechelen, Flemish Region, Belgium 2084,2112,2587 about age 56, and was buried in Abbey Of Hasnon, Belgium. Another name for Richilde was Richilde Countess Of HAINAULT.
General Notes: He [William FitzOsbern] married, 2ndly shortly before his death, Richilde, widow of Baldwin (VI), COUNT OF FLANDERS, and previously, as is stated, of Herman, COUNT OF HAINAULT, daughter and heir of the Count of Egisheim [Alsace]. The Earl died as aforesaid in 1071, and was buried in the Abbey of Cormeilles, which he had also founded. His widow appears to have died 15 March 1086/7. She was buried with her 2nd husband in the Abbey of Hasnon, which they had founded. [Complete Peerage VI:447-9, XIV:380, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: I am making her daughter of Gerard Count of Egisheim (as her name implies), but she could be daughter of any of Gerard's brothers or sisters. The only "sure" thing is that she is niece of Pope Leo IX (and some people think that the "sure" thing is wrong).
Note that Turton has Richilde was daughter of Regnier V Count of Hainault by Maud of Lorraine. This is a common mistake, but that ancestry actually belonged to Richilde's 1st husband who was Count of Hainault and died without issue. Even though there were blood related heirs for Hermann Count of Hainault, Richilde's 2nd husband forced/pressured the title to be given to her & to him as her 2nd husband. It was this "inheriting" of the title that led many early researchers to assume that Richilde was the daughter and heir of the Count of Hainult.
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Below are three postings to SGM (Peter Stewart, Todd Farmerie, & Thierry Stasser (the noted French genealogist, translated from French by Todd Farmerie)), in response to a query from myself, concerning the ancestry of Richilde (I apologized for misspelling "FitzOsbern" in the subject):
From: Peter Stewart ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Richilde, wife of William FitzOsber, Earl of Hereford
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-10 18:06:17 PST
[email protected] (Jim Weber) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Dear Newsgroup,
>
> Hope the new year is finding you well.
>
> CP VI:447-9 states that William FitzOsbern's 2nd wife was "Richilde,
> widow of Baldwin (VI), Count of Flanders, and previously, as is
> stated, of Herman, Count of Hainault, da. and h. of Renier, Count of
> Mons, in Hainault."
>
> This was changed by CP XIV:380 to read "Richilde, widow of Baldwin
> (VI), COUNT OF FLANDERS, and previously, as is stated, of Herman,
> COUNT OF HAINAULT, daughter and heir of the Count of Egisheim
> [Alsace]."
>
> However I was just going through some of Leo van de Pas' data base at
> www.genealogics.org, and Leo, citing "Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A.
> Stargardt Verlag Marburg., Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, Reference: II
> 5", has "Richilde, Heiress of Hainault" as daughter and sole heir of
> Reginar V, Count of Hainault, by Matilde de Lorraine (AKA. Regnier V &
> Mathilde de Verdun per AR). This would imply that her first husband
> Herman Count of Hainault was count in right of his wife Richilde
> (Leo/ES gives no ancestry or other info on Herman). This also fits
> more closely with the original citation from CP (at least Mons is in
> Hainault and the names are similar).
>
> Does anyone know anything about these discrepancies?
The origin of Richilde has been debated for a long time & I'm not sure that any consensus has been reached yet.
Hermann is usually thought to have been count of Hainault in his own right, as son of Count Reginar V (died ca 1039/40) by Mathilde of Verdun (usually said to have been daughter of Hermann, count of Verdun, explaining this given name).
He was apparently father of two children, both without issue, a son who became a bishop and a daughter who was a nun.
Richilde remarried in the early 1050s to Balduin VI of Flanders, and the main complication sets in because offspring of this union inherited Hainault, evidently through their mother and in preference to any relatives of Hermann.
This could be out-of-date: according to my notes from many years ago, when I last gave attention to it, the matter was exhaustively discussed by Walter Mohr in 'Richilde vom Hennegau und Robert der Friese: Thesen zu einer Neubewertung der Quellen' in _Revue belge de philologie et d'histoire_ 58 (1980) & 59 (1981). Many university libraries would hold this journal.
I expect a good deal of ink has flowed on the subject since then too but, if so, happily it has by-passed me.
Peter Stewart
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From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Richilde, wife of William FitzOsber, Earl of Hereford
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-10 19:13:10 PST
Jim Weber wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about these discrepancies?
Yes. ES has misled Leo. Richilde was widow of Herman, Count of Hainault, which Herman was son of Regnier. It was as widow of Herman (who d.s.p.) that she brought Hainault to her second husband, even though she had no blood claim to it. I don't known where CP got the speculation that she was daughter of a Count of Egisheim, but it is correct that whe was not daughter of the prior Counts of Hainault.
taf
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From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Richilde, wife of William FitzOsber, Earl of Hereford
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-11 08:30:42 PST
Thierry Stasser wrote:
> sorry the answer is in French, but it is part of a paper on the Counts of
> Hainaut which is written in French , so it would take too long to translate
> it in English
No problem - I will just summarize for the English-only crowd.
> Bien que certains chroniqueurs médiévaux fassent de Richilde, l¹épouse du
> comte Herman, la fille héritière de Régnier V et son époux Herman un comte
> d¹origine germanique.(Chron. Albrici, pp. 785, 789, 792; Gilles d¹Orval, MGH
> SS XXV, p. 79),
While some medieval chroniclers make Richilde daughter of Regnier and her husband Herman a germanic count . . .
> il est certain que Herman était l¹héritier de Régnier V
> (Gislebert de Mons, Chronicon Hanoniense, éd. L. Vanderkindere, Bruxelles,
> 1904, p. 3; Lambert de Hersfeld, Annales Hersfeldenses, MGH SRG 1894, p.
> 125).
it is clear that Herman was Regnier's heir.
> Une charte datée des années 1024/1039 mentionne en effet Régnier V et
> son fils Herman (Van Overstraeten, pp. 502-503).
A charter names Regnier and his son Herman.
> On ne connaît pas les
> origines familiales de la comtesse. On sait qu¹elle était la nièce du pape
> Léon IX (Flandria Generosa, MGH SS IX, p. 320: ...eiusdem Richildis avunculo
> ...) et qu¹elle était de sang impérial (Cont. Aquicinctina, p. 553:
> Richildem quae erat de sanguine imperiali ...).
As to Richilde, she was niece of Pope Leo IX, and of imperial blood.
> Le pape Léon IX était né Bruno d¹Eguisheim, fils du comte Hugues IV et
> d¹Helvide (Wibert, Vita Leonis, éd. I. M. Watterich, Pontificum romanorum
> vitae, t. 1er, Leipzig, 1862, p. 128).
Leo IX was born Bruno d'Eguisheim, son of Count Hugh IV and Helvide.
> On lui connait avec certitude deux
> frères, Gérard et Hugues (J. D. Schoepflin, Alsatia ... Diplomatica, t. 1er,
> Mannheim, 1772, n° 207, p. 163), ainsi que plusieurs soeurs:
He has two know brothers, Gerard and Hugh, and sisters:
> Gerberge, abbesse de Nuys (L. Viellard, Documents et mémoires pour servir à
> l¹histoire du Territoire de Belfort, Besançon, 1884, p. 115);
> l¹épouse du comte Adalbert de Calw (Annalista Saxo,p. 687);
> peut être Hildegarde, mère de Louis de Mousson Montbéliard (F. Vollmer, Die
> Etichonen. Ein Beitrag zur Frage der Kontinuität früher Adelsfamilien,
> Studien und vorarbeiten zur geschichte des grossfrankische und frühdeutschen
> Adels, éd. G. Tellenbach, Fribourg, 1957, p. 182; pour les sources voir
> Viellard, pp. 12-13; Schoepflin, n° 680, p. 477).
Gerberge, Abbess of Nuys; the wife of Adelbert de Calw; and Hildegarde, mother of Louis de Mousson-Montbeliard.
> Albert de Stade, Annales Stadenses, MGH SS XIV, p. 319, donne encore à Léon
> IX une autre soeur en la personne de Gertrude, femme de Liudolphe de
> Brunswick. Cette identification a cependant été mise en doute et on penche
> plutôt à l¹identifier à la fille d¹un comte Egbert (H. Jakobs, Der Adel in
> der Klosterreform von St. Blasien, Cologne-Graz, 1968, p. 204; E.
> Hlawitschka, Untersuchungen zu den Thronwechseln der ersten Hälfte des 11
> Jahrhunderts und zur Adelsgeschichte Süddeutschlands, Sigmaringen, 1987, pp.
> 144-148; P. Corbet, L¹autel portatif de la comtesse Gertrude de Brunswick,
> Cahiers de Civilisation Médiévale, 34, 1991, p. 103) .
Albert de Stade give another sister, Gertrude, daughter of Liudolf of Brunswick, but this is doubtful, as she is identified as daughter of a Count Egbert.
> Compte tenu de l¹état de nos sources, il est impossible d¹attribuer la
> paternité ou la maternité de Richilde à un plutôt qu¹à un autre des frères
> et soeurs de Léon IX.
With the sources available, there is no reason to favor one sibling over another as parent of Richilde.
> H. Pirenne, Richilde, Biographie Nationale de
> Belgique, 19, 1907, col. 294, suggère d¹en faire une fille de Roger, frère
> d¹Arnoul de Valenciennes.
H. Pirenne suggested she was daughter of Roger, brother of Arnoul de Valenciennes.
> Sur la comtesse Richilde, voir K. S. Nicholas,
> Countesses as Rulers in Flanders, Aristocratic Women in Medieval France, éd.
> T. Evergates, Philadelphia, 1999, pp. 115-117.
See this source for details on Richilde.
> Richilde se remaria à Baudouin VI de Flandre (= Baudouin I de Hainaut) en
> 1051 selon les Ann. Elnonenses, p. 156; Ann. Laubienses, p. 20; Ann.
> Leodienses, p. 20; Jacques de Guise , p. 188. Elle mourut en 1086 et fut
> inhumée dans l¹église de Hasnon (Jacques de Guise, p. 195).
She remarried Baldwin VI of Flanders (I of Hainaut) in 1051 and died 1086, buried at Hasnon.
taf
Richilde married Herman Count Of HAINAULT 1882,2282,2583 in 1st Husband.2282 Herman was born about 1016 in Hainault, Belgium and died before 1051 in (Dsps) 2584.
Richilde next married Baudouin VI Count (I Of Hainault) Of FLANDERS 1601,2112,2282,2582,2583 in 1051 in 2ND Husband 2112.,2584 Baudouin was born in 1030 in Flanders Now Belgium,2349 died on 7 July 1070 in Abbey Of Hasnon, Belgium 2112,2350 at age 40, and was buried in Hasnon Abbey. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin VI Count Of FLANDERS.
Richilde next married William FITZOSBERN 1st Earl Of Hereford 2588,2589,2590 before 1071 in 3rd Husband 2ND Wife 2282.,2349 William was born in 1030 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France, died from 20 February 1070 to 1071 in Battle Of Cassel, Flanders (Killed) 1778,2590 at age 40, and was buried in Abbey Of Cormeilles, Normandy, France. Other names for William were William FITZOSBORNE Seigneur De Breteuil, and 1st Earl Of HEREFORD William Fitzosbern.
64355110698. Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN,415,2112,2197 son of Lambert II "Baudry" Count Of LOUVAIN and Oda Of LORRAINE, was born about 1021 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France 2197 and died before 1079 2197.
Henry married Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA 2112.,2197 Adelaide was born about 1031 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany and died after 1086 2197. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Von BETUWE.
64355110699. Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA,415,2112,2197 daughter of Eberhard Count Of BETEAU and Unknown, was born about 1031 in Orlamunde, Thuringia, Germany and died after 1086 2197. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Von BETUWE.
Adelaide married Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN 2112.,2197 Henry was born about 1021 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France 2197 and died before 1079 2197.
64355110700. Heinrich Von WASSENBERG, son of Gerard II Count Von WASSENBERG and Unknown, was born about 1033 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1075 about age 42.
Heinrich married.
The child from this marriage was:
64355110702. William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine,415,670,2240,2390 son of William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine and Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1024 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147,2240 and died on 25 September 1086 in Aquitaine, France 2147,2240 about age 62. Other names for William were William V Of Poitou VII Duke Of AQUITAINE, and William VI Of Poitou VIII Duke Of AQUITAINE.
General Notes: This William was originally named Guy-Geoffrey.
William married Garsenda Of PERIGORD 2390 in 1044 in 1st Wife.2390 Garsenda was born about 1025 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France.
William next married Matilda De LA MARCHE,2390 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie De RASEZ, before 1052 in 2ND Wife.2390 Matilda was born about 1028 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died before 1068.
William next married Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY 2240,2390 about January 1068-1069 in 3rd Wife 2240.,2390 Hildegarde was born about 1044 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France and died after 1104 2240.
William next married Ermesinde De LONGWY 2390 about 1047. Ermesinde was born about 1033 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 1058 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147.
64355110703. Ermesinde De LONGWY,415,670,2390 daughter of Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine and Clemence De FOIX, was born about 1033 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died after 1058 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147.
Ermesinde married William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine 2240,2390 about 1047. William was born about 1024 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147,2240 and died on 25 September 1086 in Aquitaine, France 2147,2240 about age 62. Other names for William were William V Of Poitou VII Duke Of AQUITAINE, and William VI Of Poitou VIII Duke Of AQUITAINE.
Ermesinde next married William V Peter Count Of POITOU Vii D'aquitaine 2390 about 1047. William was born about 1023 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147 and died in 1058 in (Dspm) 2147 about age 35. Another name for William was William V Of Poitou VII Duke Of AQUITAINE.
64355110712. Ralph "The Staller" 1St Earl Of NORFOLK 2116 was born in 1011 in Gael, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died from February 1067 to 1068 2116 at age 56.
General Notes: Suffolk, other creations: Shortly after the Norman Conquest and Earldom conbining Norfolk and Suffolk was conferred on one Ralph the Staller [Staller was a functionary of some sort in the Saxon Royal Court]. At that time, and seemingly for nearly three centuries afterwards, no distinction was made between Norfolk and Suffolk for the purpose of conferring titles based on county names, the two areas being conflated as the land of the East Angles. In any case, with Ralph's death a few years after he was created Earl the title apparently passed back into the possession of the Crown, though within another year it seems to have been conferred on Ralph's son, called Ralph de Gael from a fief he held in Britanny. The second Ralph, Earl of this somewhat shadowy creation, rebelled against William I (The Conqueror) in 1075 and was stripped of his titles and lands. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2761]
Ralph married.
The child from this marriage was:
64355110714. William FITZOSBERN 1st Earl Of Hereford,2588,2589,2590 son of Osbern De CREPON Steward Of Normandy and Emma De IVRY, was born in 1030 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France, died from 20 February 1070 to 1071 in Battle Of Cassel, Flanders (Killed) 1778,2590 at age 40, and was buried in Abbey Of Cormeilles, Normandy, France. Other names for William were William FITZOSBORNE Seigneur De Breteuil, and 1st Earl Of HEREFORD William Fitzosbern.
General Notes: Alice [de Toeni] married William fitz Osbern, 1st Earl of Hereford, of the creation made shortly after the Conquest. [Burke's Peerage]
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William Fitz Osbern, a Companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings, 1066, Earl of Hereford. [Ancestral Roots]
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EARLDOM OF HEREFORD (I) 1067
WILLIAM FITZOSBERN, SEIGNEUR DE BRETEUIL, son and heir of Osbern, steward of Normandy, by Emma, daughter of Ralph, COUNT OF IVRY (g), took a leading part in the events leading up to and in the Battle of Hastings. He was thereafter rewarded with great estates in England, namely, the Isle of Wight arid the County of Hereford, becoming EARL OF HEREFORD. He divided Herefordshire into casteleries, and attracted many knights to his service by liberal pay, even making a special law that none should pay for any offence more than 7 shillings. He was in command of the army during William's absence in 1067, and his representative in the north. In 1068 he was in Normandy with the Duke, and in 1068/9 was governor of York. To him (in 1070) is credited the searching of the monastefies in England for treasure deposited there. In 1070, or early in 1071, he was sent to Normandy to assist Queen Maud in the administration of the Duchy, and so became involved in the troubles in Flanders, where the Queen was supporting her nephew Arnolf's succession to his grandfather, Baldwin, Count of Flanders. The Earl joined Philip of France with 10 knights only and went off to Flanders, where he was killed, 18 February 1070/1.
He married, 1stly, Adelise, daughter of Roger DE TONI, standard-bearer of Normandy. She died 5 October 1070? and was burried in the Abbey of Lire, which her husband had founded. He married, 2ndly shortly before his death, Richilde, widow of Baldwin (VI), COUNT OF FLANDERS, and previously, as is stated, of Herman, COUNT OF HAINAULT, daughter and heir of the Count of Egisheim [Alsace]. The Earl died as aforesaid in 1071, and was buried in the Abbey of Cormeilles, which he had also founded. His widow appears to have died 15 March 1086/7. She was buried with her 2nd husband in the Abbey of Hasnon, which they had founded. [Complete Peerage VI:447-9, XIV:380, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(g) Ralph, Count of Ivry, was (on the mother's side) brother of the half blood to Duke Richard I.
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The following additional information on William FitzOsbern was provided in a post-em by Curt Hofemann:
Companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings [Ref: Weis AR7 53:25]
in command of the van of the Norman army at Hastings [Ref: Watney p400]
Fitzosbern, William, earl of Hereford (d. 1071). Norman lord. Closely associated, as lord of Breteuil, with William I in Normandy, he was granted earldom of Hereford (1067) after the Norman conquest. He extended Norman influence westwards and built strong castles at Wigmore, Clifford, Ewyas Harold, Monmouth and Chepstow. The Hereford charter, the model for numerous charters granted to Welsh boroughs, was based on that of Breteuil. [Ref: Dict of Brit History, pg 139]
FitzOsbern, Earl William. Also Earl of Hereford. Son of Osbern Sieward of Normandy; brother of Osbern, Bishop of Exeter. Married Adeline, sister of Ralph de Tosny. Large estates in west and Isle of Wight, broken up when his son, Roger, rebelled. Regent, with Odo of Bayeux, 1067. [Ref: Domesday Online]
FitzOsbern, William, 1st Earl Of Hereford, Seigneur De Bréteuil, d. Feb. 20, 1071, Cassel, Flanders, French GUILLAUME D'OBBERN, Norman soldier and lord, one of William the Conqueror's closest supporters.
The son of Osbern (or Obbern) de Crépon, seneschal of Normandy, FitzOsbern himself became seneschal of Normandy and in 1060 was given the lordship and castle of Bréteuil. He took a leading part both in the preparations for the Norman invasion of England and in the Battle of Hastings (1066) and was rewarded with a grant of the Isle of Wight and the earldom of Hereford, both vitally important for the defense of England.
After the Conquest, FitzOsbern held a position of the highest responsibility. In 1067 he commanded the army in King William I's absence, was put in charge of a new castle at Norwich, and was made the king's special representative in the north. In the critical rebellion of 1068-69 he was governor of York. In 1071, having been sent to Normandy to help Queen Matilda, he became involved in the Flemish succession dispute and was killed at the Battle of Cassel in Flanders in 1071.
He founded the abbeys of Cormeilles and Lire in Normandy and introduced the "laws of Bréteuil" to Hereford, whence they became a model for many western English, Welsh, and Irish boroughs.
On his death, his estates were divided between his two sons--William (or Guillaume), the elder, succeeding to the Norman fiefs, and Roger Fitzwilliam, the younger, succeeding to the earldom of Hereford and the English estates. The latter conspired against King William I and in 1075 forfeited his estates and was imprisoned for the remainder of his life. [Ref: Ency Britannica online]
In addition there is a lengthy article on him: WILLIAM FITZ OSBERN from "The Conqueror and His Companions" by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874. (to be used with caution, as indicated by the transcriber) at
http://www.patpnyc.com/conq/fitzosb.shtml
Regards,
Curt
William married Alice (Adelise) De TOENI 605,2282 about 1051 in 1st Wife.2282 Alice was born in 1033 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France and died on 5 October 1070 in Abbey Of Lire, Anjou, France 2282 at age 37.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adeliza FITZOSBERN was born in 1050 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died on 27 May 1156 at age 106.
ii. William De BRETEUIL was born about 1052 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1103 2591 about age 51.
iii. Roger De BRETEUIL 2nd Earl Of Hereford was born about 1055 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1087 in As A Prisoner Of The King Of England 2592. Another name for Roger was 2nd Earl Of HEREFORD Roger De Breteuil.
32177555357 iv. Emma FITZOSBERN (born in 1059 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France - died in 1095)
William next married Richilde Countess Von EGISHEIM 2112,2582,2583,2584,2585,2586 before 1071 in 3rd Husband 2ND Wife 2282.,2349 Richilde was born about 1030 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France, died from 15 March 1086 to 1087 in Mechelen, Flemish Region, Belgium 2084,2112,2587 about age 56, and was buried in Abbey Of Hasnon, Belgium. Another name for Richilde was Richilde Countess Of HAINAULT.
64355110715. Alice (Adelise) De TOENI,605,2282 daughter of Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI and Godheut, was born in 1033 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France and died on 5 October 1070 in Abbey Of Lire, Anjou, France 2282 at age 37.
General Notes: He [William FitzOsbern] married, 1stly, Adelise, daughter of Roger DE TONI, standard-bearer of Normandy. She died 5 October 1070? and was burried in the Abbey of Lire, which her husband had founded. [Complete Peerage VI:447-9, XIV:380, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1066. 1778
Alice married William FITZOSBERN 1st Earl Of Hereford 2588,2589,2590 about 1051 in 1st Wife.2282 William was born in 1030 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France, died from 20 February 1070 to 1071 in Battle Of Cassel, Flanders (Killed) 1778,2590 at age 40, and was buried in Abbey Of Cormeilles, Normandy, France. Other names for William were William FITZOSBORNE Seigneur De Breteuil, and 1st Earl Of HEREFORD William Fitzosbern.
64355110804. Milon De MONTELEHERICO Seigneur De La Ferte 415,1719 was born about 984 in La Ferte-Alais, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1057 1719. Another name for Milon was Milon De LA FERTE.
Milon married Miss De MONTLHERY.1719 Miss was born about 990 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
The child from this marriage was:
64355110805. Miss De MONTLHERY,415,1719 daughter of Thibaud De MONTLHERY and Unknown, was born about 990 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
Miss married Milon De MONTELEHERICO Seigneur De La Ferte.1719 Milon was born about 984 in La Ferte-Alais, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1057 1719. Another name for Milon was Milon De LA FERTE.
64355110806. Guillaume De GOMETZ De Bures 415,1382 was born in 975 in Gometz, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in Bures, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France.
64355110808. Albert II Comte De NAMUR,415,670,1784,2593 son of Albert I Comte De NAMUR and Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE, was born about 1000 in Namur, Belgium 2593 and died in July 1064 2593 about age 64.
Albert married Regilinde Of Lower LORRAINE 1784.,2593 Regilinde was born about 994 in Lorraine, France and died in 1064 1784,2593 about age 70.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555404 i. Albert III Comte De NAMUR (born about 1030 in Namur, Belgium - died on 22 June 1102)
64355110809. Regilinde Of Lower LORRAINE,670,1784,2593 daughter of Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun and Urracca Princess Of ITALY, was born about 994 in Lorraine, France and died in 1064 1784,2593 about age 70.
Regilinde married Albert II Comte De NAMUR 1784.,2593 Albert was born about 1000 in Namur, Belgium 2593 and died in July 1064 2593 about age 64.
64355110810. Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY,415,670,2594,2595 son of Bernard I BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegarde Countess Of STADE, was born in 995 in Saxony, Germany 2596 and died on 29 June 1059 1784,2067 at age 64.
General Notes: Turton, p. 20 & 40, has Bernard's wife (and mother of his children) as "Bertrade of Norway", daughter of Harald II of Norway, d. 976. This means that Bertrade would have been born by 977, which doesn't make much sense. AR states that Elicia/Elika was Bernard's wife & mother of his children, which is what I am following.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1057. 2596
Bernard married Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT 2364 about 1020.2596 Elicia was born about 1003 in Schwaben, Germany and died after 1055 1784.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ordulph Duke Of SAXONY was born about 1020 in Saxony, Prussia 2597 and died on 28 March 1072 2597 about age 52.
ii. Gertrud Princess Of SAXONY was born about 1034 in Saxony, Germany 2351 and died on 4 August 1113 2067 about age 79.
32177555405 iii. Ida Billung Of SAXONY (born about 1035 in Saxony, Germany - died on 31 July 1102)
64355110811. Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT,415,670,2364 daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 1003 in Schwaben, Germany and died after 1055 1784.
Elicia married Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY 2594,2595 about 1020.2596 Bernard was born in 995 in Saxony, Germany 2596 and died on 29 June 1059 1784,2067 at age 64.
64355110880. Athon De COURTENAY Castellan Chateau-Renard,415,1463 son of Renaud II (Renard) Comte De SENS and Unknown, was born about 987 in Chateau-Renard, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France and died about 1034 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France about age 47.
General Notes: Athon de Courtenay, Lord of Courtenay and castellan of Chateau-Renard, fortified Courtenay, in Gatinais in the Isle de France c1010. [Burke's Peerage]
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The Courtenays, of whom a distinguished line still exists, were one of the most illustrious races amongst the British nobility, and deduced their pedigree paternally from Athon, who himself descended from Pharamond, found, in 420, of the French monarchy, and common patriarch of all the Kings of France. This Athon, having fortified, during the reign of Robert the Wise, the town of Courtenay, in the Isle of France, thence adopted his surname. But as the power of the Courtenays in England principally arose from the great alliances formed by the first members of the family who settled here, we shall pass at once to their maternal pedigree. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 139, Courtenay, Barons Courtenay, Earls of Devon]
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Athon de Courtenay, Sire de Courtenay in the Gâtinais and of Château Renard; built the castle at Courtenay, 1010. [Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, 3rd ed., Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore MD, 1998]
Athon married about 1033 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555440 i. Joscelin I (Jocelin) Sire De COURTENAY (born in 1034 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France - died in 1079)
64355110882. Guy I Seigneur De MONTLHERY & Chevreuse,415,1946,2360,2361 son of Milon De MONTELEHERICO Seigneur De La Ferte and Miss De MONTLHERY, was born in 1009 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France,1719,2361 died in 1095 in Chevreuse, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2120,2361 at age 86, and was buried in Abbaye DE Longpont, Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France.
General Notes: The following information was provided in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Seigneur de Montlhery & de Bray [Ref: McBride, Moriarty p63, Watne p276]
Seigneur de Monthlery [Ref: ES III:659]
seigneur of Montlhéry & castellan of Rochefort-en-Yvelines [Ref: Peter Stewart <[email protected]> 24 Apr 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]
Seigneur de Chevreuse, Lord of Chateaufort [Ref: McBride] note: is not "seigneur de" & "lord of" the same thing?... Curt
Count of Corbeil [Ref: Weis AR7 103a:24]
founded the abbey of Lamport* [Ref: Moriarty p63]
b. ca 1009 [Ref: McBride]
Jim, info conflicting yours:
parents: Milon I Seigneur de la Ferte & dau of Thibaud Seigneur de Montlhery & Chevrouse (sic) [Ref: Moriarty p265] Milan & dau Thibard [Ref: Moriarty p63]
d. 1095 [Ref: ES III:624, Moriarty p63 & 265], as a monk at Lampoint* [Ref: Peter Stewart <[email protected]> 24 Apr 2001 message to Gen-Medieval] as a monk at Lamport* [Ref: Moriarty p63]
*Research note: Lampoint or Lamport... Curt
Regards,
Curt
Guy married Hodierne De GOMETZ Dame De La Ferte 1946.,2120 Hodierne was born in 1014 in Bures, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1 December 1074 in La Ferte-Alais, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France 2362. Another name for Hodierne was Hodierne De LA FERTE.
64355110883. Hodierne De GOMETZ Dame De La Ferte,415,1946,2120 daughter of Guillaume De GOMETZ De Bures and Unknown, was born in 1014 in Bures, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1 December 1074 in La Ferte-Alais, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France 2362. Another name for Hodierne was Hodierne De LA FERTE.
General Notes: The following information was provided by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
aka: Hodierna de la Ferte/Fort/Forte-Alais
Dame de Gometz et de la Forte-Alais [Ref: ES III:659]
sister of William de la Ferte, alias Seigneur de Gometz, Seneschal of France [Ref: Moriarty p63]
dame of Bures [Ref: Peter Stewart <[email protected]> 24 Apr 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]
d. Dec 1 after 1074 [Ref: Moriarty p63] Dec 7 after 1074 [Ref: Moriarty p265] occ (living) 1074 [Ref: ES III:624]
Regards,
Curt
Hodierne married Guy I Seigneur De MONTLHERY & Chevreuse 1946,2360.,2361 Guy was born in 1009 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France,1719,2361 died in 1095 in Chevreuse, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2120,2361 at age 86, and was buried in Abbaye DE Longpont, Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France.
64355110884. William I (Guillaume) Comte De NEVERS,415,2598 son of Renaud I Comte De NEVERS & Auxerre and Adele (Advisa\Avoie\Alais) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 1030 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France 2598 and died on 20 June 1100 2598 about age 70.
William married Ermengarde De TONNERRE 2491,2598 in 1045.2598 Ermengarde was born about 1030 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 1090 2599.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. William De NEVERS Count Of Tonnerre was born about 1050 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died after 1090 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France.
iii. Ermengarde De NEVERS was born about 1051 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died after 14 October 1090 2600.
64355110885. Ermengarde De TONNERRE,415,2491,2598 daughter of Renhard II (Renaud) Comte De TONNERRE and Helvise De NOYON, was born about 1030 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 1090 2599.
General Notes:
Copied below is a two-part post to SGM, 5 Dec 1998, by the noted French genealogist Settipani:
From: SETTIPANI ([email protected])
Subject: De NEVERS
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/12/05
The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part I
The question about Nevers has raised up three answers, all of three erroneous. As many - if not the most - answers about Early Middle Ages. I will speak thereafter of Constantia of Provence (not Toulouse ). Briefly, the problem is that nowhere a medieval source or a modern scientific work is invoqued (and I don’t take in consideration the triumphant ‘et voilà !’ of my french countryman or his pleasant ‘many nights on internet’ or the Stuart, Weiss and so). So, the same mistakes are conscenciously repeated. Most of dates are at best conjectural, names are confusing, and genealogies dubious or false. The genealogy of the counts of Tonnerre was much debatted, notably by E. Petit, M. Chaume, J. Laurent, C. Bouchard, J.-N. Mathieu. I give the simplest -and the best- presentation :
1 Ermengardis (Ermengarde), m. Wilhelm (Guillaume, William) of Nevers.
2 Renhard II (Renard), count of Tonnerre ...1002-1039... (b. c. 993, d. c. 1040).
3 Helvisa (Heilwig, Helvise, Heloise), fl. 1018.
4 Milo (Milon) IV, count of Tonnerre ...993..., d. bef. 1002.
5 Ermengardis (Ermengarde), widow of Herbert IV of Vermandois, d. aft. 1018.
8 Milo III, count of Tonnerre ...975-980..., d. c. 987.
9 Engeltrudis (Engeltrude), fl. 980.
16 Wido I (Guy), count of Tonnerre, d.bef. 975 (958 ?).
17 Adela (Adele), widow 975.
32 ? Renhard I, count of Tonnerre ...890-896...
64 Milo II, count of Langres & Tonnerre ...887...
65 Adela, widow 902.
Sources : many nights on Cartularies and ...
no 1 (Gesta Pontif., p. 398-402) ; no 2 (cart. Yonne, no 94 ; E. Petit, Hist. ducs Bourg., II, p. 428-9) ; no 3 (E. Petit, II, p. 428-9) ; no 4 (cart. Yonne, no 80, 81, 94) ; no 5 (cart. Yonne, no 81) ; no 8 (cart. Yonne, no 76, cart. St-Benoit, no 61) ; no 9 (cart. Yonne, no 76) ; no 16 (cart. Yonne, no 94, cart. Cluny, II, no 1044 ?) ; no 17 (cart. St-Benoit, no 61, cart. Cluny, no 625 ?) ; no 32 (Cart. Montieramey, n° 12) ; no 64 (cart. Yonne, no 94, dipl. Charles III, 887, cart. St-Benigne, no 154) ; no 65 (cart. St-Benigne, no 154).
Cartulaire general de l’Yonne, ed. M. Quantin, vol. I, Auxerre, 1854.
Chartes et documents de Saint-Benigne de Dijon, t. II (1943), éd. G.
Chevrier & M. Chaume, t. I (1986), éd. R. Folz & J. Marilier.
Arthur Giry, Documents carolingiens de l’abbaye de Montieramey, Etudes d’histoire du moyen age dediees a G. Monod, Paris, 1896, p. 107-136.
Gesta Pontificum Autissiodorensium, ed. M. Duru, Auxerre, 1850.
Recueil des actes de Charles III le Simple, roi de France (893-923), 2 vol., ed. P. Lauer, Paris 1940-9.
Recueil des chartes de l’abbaye de de Cluny (802-1300), Paris, 6 vol., 1876-1903, éd. A. Bernard et A. Bruel.
Recueil des chartes de l'abbaye de Saint-Benoit-sur-Loire, ed. M. Prou et A. Vidier, vol. I, Paris, 1900.
The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II
The ancestry of Helvisa (no 3) is unknown, but I suppose her a niece of Hardoin, bishop of Noyon (1015-1027) (M. Chaume believed she was a sister of his). Hardoin is brother of Garnier and son of Robert of Croyes. Probably they are issued of Waltharius (Gauthier, Walter), count of Valois, Amiens and Vexin (d. c. 992/8), grandson of the caroligian Helvisa.
The family of Ermengardis (no 5), widow of Herbert, not the reverse, is not < Bar-sur-Seine > (one misunderstanding hypothesis of E. Petit: such a dynasty does not exist at this time). She was, I think, the daughter of Alberic II of Macon and his second wife. Engeltrudis (no 9) is certainly, as showed by E. Petit, of Brienne family. She was more probably the sister (not daughter) of Engelbert I and Gau(s)bert. May be they are the nephews of Engeltrudis, viscountess of Chalon and the posterity of Gausbert of Nevers, grandson of an Engeltrudis.
The family of Adela (no 17) is not identified. Her name and her granddaughter’s, Liedgardis, point to Vermandois. But the name Liedgardis come perhaps via Engeltrudis : Engeltrudis of Chalon was probably mother of Liedgardis of Dijon. So, the best solution was that of M. Chaume, the countess Adela is the same that Adela, sister Leotald of Macon, who make an important donation in 958 for the soul of a Wido, may be the count of Tonnerre.
Renard (no 32) is not attested as member of the family. He is named as a count in a trial about Tonnerrois and fit at the good place for the missing generation in the family (to justify Renard II’s name, wich was no more inherited from a pseudo ‘Bar-sur-Seine’ dynasty, and because Milo II’s daughter was a Ren-trude).
Last, Adela (no 65) : if her son was really a Renhard, she was undoubtly the sister of Renhard and Manasses I of Auxerre. The family’s origin is Lotharingian.
Bibliography :
C. Bouchard, Sword, Miter, and Cloister. Nobility and the church in Burgundy, 980-1198, Londres 1987.
M. Chaume, Les origines du duche de Bourgogne, vol. I, Dijon, 1925.
M. Chaume, Recherches d’Histoire Chretienne et medievale, 1947, p.260-277.
J. Laurent, L’origine du comté de bar-sur-Seine, Annales de Bourgogne, (1951), p. 172-180.
J.-N. Mathieu, Recherches sur les premiers comtes de Tonnerre et de Bar-sur-Seine, Bulletin de la société d’archéologie et d’histoire du Tonnerois , 47 (1994), p. 21-29.
E. Petit, Histoire des ducs de Bourgogne de la race capétienne, 6 vol., Paris, 1885-1898.
C. Settipani, Les origines maternelles du comte de Bourgogne Otte-Guillaume, Annales de Bourgogne, 66 (1994), p. 5-63.
C. Settipani, Les comtes d’Anjou et leurs alliances aux Xe et XIe
siècles, dans K.S.B. Keats-Rohan (ed.), Family trees and the Roots of Politics, Woodbridge, 1997, p. 211-267.
C. Settipani, Les Widonides : le destin d’une famille aristocratique franque du VIe au Xe siècle, memoire de D.E.A., Paris Sorbonne, 1998.
Ermengarde married William I (Guillaume) Comte De NEVERS 2598 in 1045.2598 William was born about 1030 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France 2598 and died on 20 June 1100 2598 about age 70.
64355110886. Artald V Comte De FOREZ & Lyon,415,2367 son of Artald IV Comte De FOREZ & Lyon and Raymodis (Raymonde), was born about 1042 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1085 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France about age 43. Another name for Artald was Artald V Comte De Forez & LYON.
General Notes: Leo van de Pas, citing ES, does not have this generation in his line, going straight to Artaud II Comte de Lyon & de Forez, who married Raymodis (I, along with AR number that person Artaud IV). AR (and apparently Stuart's 'Royalty for Commoners") numbers Artald, father of Ida as "V", implying extra generations. Leo's head of the line is Geraldis, Nobilis, d. bef 993, which is contained in RFC's line at about the same date; but Leo has only 3 generations between Geraldis and Ita-Raimonde (Ida). I have four, which I think is more reasonable, plus I (and RFC) go on from Geraldis.
Artald married Ida. Ida was born about 1044 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177555443 i. Ida Comtesse De FOREZ (born about 1066 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France - died after 1092)
64355110887. Ida 415 was born about 1044 in France.
Ida married Artald V Comte De FOREZ & Lyon.2367 Artald was born about 1042 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1085 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France about age 43. Another name for Artald was Artald V Comte De Forez & LYON.
64355110898. Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY,415,2001,2002 son of Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY and Hawise Of NORMANDY, was born about 999 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France 2001 and died from 7 January 1078 to 1079 2001,2002 about age 79.
General Notes: GEOFFREY, DUKE OF BRITTANY, married Hawise, daughter of Richard I, DUKE OFNORMANDY, and died in 1008, leaving two sons, Alan and Eudon. During their mother's lifetime the two brothers seem to have been joint rulers of Brittany, but on her death, on 21 February 1034, dissensions broke out between them; peace was restored by a settlement under which Eudon received a territory corresponding roughly to the dioceses of Dol, St. Mialo, St. Brieuc and Tréguier, reduced in the hands of his successors to the two last-named dioceses, while Alan retained the rest of Brittany. After the death of Alan in 1040 Eudon seized the government of Brittany to the exclusion of his nephew Conan, who recovered it in 1057. Eudon died 7 January 1079. He married Orguen, whose parentage is unknown. [Complete Peerage X:779-81, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: In the chart on X:781, CP notes that it is unsure if Orguen was mother of Stephen, although CP mentions no other wife. AR does indicate that Stephen was son of Agnes, probably daughter of Alan Canhiart.
Note: According to the chart on CP:781, Geoffrey had two different sons named Alan, Count of Brittany, Lord of Richmond: Alan "The Red", dsp. 4 Aug 1089 and Alan "The Black", dsp. 1093. He also had possibly elder sons (Geoffrey, d. 24 Aug 1093, & Brian, Count of Brittany, held Cornwall, living 1069) and younger sons (William, Robert, & Richard).
Eudes married Unknown MISTRESS. Unknown was born about 1000 in France.
Eudes next married Orguen 2004 in 1st Wife.2004 Orguen was born about 1000 in France and died after 1056 2004.
Eudes next married Agnes Canhiart Of CORNOUAILLE 2006 after 1056 in 2ND Wife.2006 Agnes was born about 1025 in Cornouaille, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
64355110899. Orguen 415,2004 was born about 1000 in France and died after 1056 2004.
Orguen married Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY 2001,2002 in 1st Wife.2004 Eudes was born about 999 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France 2001 and died from 7 January 1078 to 1079 2001,2002 about age 79.
64355116152. William Vicomte D' ARQUES,415,2334,2335,2336 son of Godfrey Vicomte D' ARQUES and Amelie De ROUEN, was born about 1035 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Thorpe Arche, Yorkshire, England. Other names for William were William De ARCHES, and2275 Guillaume D' ARQUES.
General Notes: From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families":
William of Arques has been the subject of an exhaustive study by Professor D. C. Douglas in the introduction to his edition "The Domesday Monacharum of Christ Church Canterbury", where full references are given to the authorities; and it is unnecessary to go over the ground again. Briefly he held Folkestone, Kent, and was the son of Godfrey Vicomte of Arques. The identity of the tenant of Folkstone is established by the fact that it passed to Nigel de Monville who had married his daughter and coheiress Emma. He must not be confused with William of Arques, a monk of Moleme who was a counsellor of Robert Curthose, and still less with William, count of Arques, the uncle of William the Conqueror. The ruined castle of Arques-la-Bataille is well known.
William married Beatrice (Beatrix) MALET,2275,2335,2336 daughter of William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville and Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN, before 1071 in 2ND Wife. Beatrice was born about 1052 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
William next married Beatrice De BOLBEC in 1st Wife. Beatrice was born about 1035 in Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1071.
64355116153. Beatrice De BOLBEC 415 was born about 1035 in Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1071.
Beatrice married William Vicomte D' ARQUES 2334,2335,2336 in 1st Wife. William was born about 1035 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Thorpe Arche, Yorkshire, England. Other names for William were William De ARCHES, and2275 Guillaume D' ARQUES.
64355117568. Henry I King Of FRANCE,415,1524,1598,1601,1746,1869,2425 son of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born in 1006 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,2426 died on 4 August 1060 in Vitry-Aux-Loges, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 1524,1598 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, St Denis, Seine, France.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1005. 1524
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1008. 1598
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 4 August 1060. 2425
• Ruled: 1031-1060.
Henry married Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV 1524,1598,1601,2426 from 20 January 1050 to 1051 in 3rd Wife 1524.,2426 Anna was born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine,2427 died after 1075 in France 1524,2428, and was buried in Villiers Abbey, La-Ferte-Alias, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
Henry next married Mathilde De FRIESLAND 1601 in 1043. Mathilde was born in Friesland, , Germany and died in Y.
64355117569. Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV,415,1524,1598,1601,1746,2426 daughter of Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV and Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR, was born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine,2427 died after 1075 in France 1524,2428, and was buried in Villiers Abbey, La-Ferte-Alias, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.
General Notes:
After the death of her husband, Henri I, she was joint regent for her son, Philippe I, together with Baudouin V of Flanders. Her marriage to Raoul, Comte de Valois caused a scandal, since he was already married. He was excommunicated, and she died in a convent. She was daughter of Jarosla Vladimirovich of Kiev and Indegard of Norway, and lived (1051-89). 1741
Anna married Henry I King Of FRANCE 1524,1598,1601,1869,2425 from 20 January 1050 to 1051 in 3rd Wife 1524.,2426 Henry was born in 1006 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,2426 died on 4 August 1060 in Vitry-Aux-Loges, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 1524,1598 at age 54, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, St Denis, Seine, France.
Anna next married Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN 2430,2431 in 1061 in 2ND Husband 3Rd Wife.2429 Raoul was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France,2431 died from 23 February 1073 to 1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 2431 about age 58, and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul III "The Great" Count Of VALOIS & Vexin.
64355117570. Florent (Florens) I Count Of HOLLAND,415,2067,2561,2601 son of Dietrich III Count Of HOLLAND and Ulfhilde Of GERMANY, was born about 1015 in Vlaardingen, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands and died on 26 June 1061 in Hannert, France 2067,2515 about age 46. Another name for Florent was Florence (Floris) I Count Of West FRIESLAND.
Florent married Gertrud Princess Of SAXONY 1601,2263,2602,2603 about 1050 in 1st Husband.2515 Gertrud was born about 1034 in Saxony, Germany 2351 and died on 4 August 1113 2067 about age 79.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adele Of HOLLAND was born about 1050 in Holland and died in 1085 about age 35.
32177558785 ii. Bertha Of HOLLAND (born about 1055 in Vlaardingen, Holland - died in 1094 in Montreuil-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France)
iii. Dietrich V Count Of HOLLAND was born about 1055 in Vlaardingen, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands and died on 17 June 1091 2515 about age 36. Other names for Dietrich were Dietrich V (Dirk) Count Of West FRIESLAND, and Dietrich V De GAND Count Of West Friesland.
64355117571. Gertrud Princess Of SAXONY,415,670,1601,1746,2263,2602,2603 daughter of Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY and Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT, was born about 1034 in Saxony, Germany 2351 and died on 4 August 1113 2067 about age 79.
Gertrud married Florent (Florens) I Count Of HOLLAND 2067,2561,2601 about 1050 in 1st Husband.2515 Florent was born about 1015 in Vlaardingen, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands and died on 26 June 1061 in Hannert, France 2067,2515 about age 46. Another name for Florent was Florence (Floris) I Count Of West FRIESLAND.
Gertrud next married Robrecht I "De Fries" Count Of FLANDERS,1601,2112,2263,2604 son of Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE, in 1063 in <Of, , Flandres, Belgium> 2112.,2604 Robrecht was born about 1033 in Of, , Flandres, Belgium 2351 and died on 13 October 1093 in Kassel, , , Germany 2112,2263 about age 60. Another name for Robrecht was Robert I Le FRISON Count Of Flanders.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 1029 and 1032. 2263
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1035. 2604
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 3 October 1093. 2604
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adela Of FLANDERS was born about 1060 in Flanders Now Belgium and died in 1115 about age 55.
ii. Gertrude Of FLANDERS was born about 1070 in Flanders Now Belgium 2497 and died in 1117 2497 about age 47.
64355117572. Amadeo II De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY,415,1444,2605 son of Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY and Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO, was born about 1032 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from 26 January 1079 to 1080 1436,1447,2605 about age 47. Other names for Amadeo were Amadeus De MAURIENNE, and Amadeus II Of MAURIENNE.
Noted events in his life were:
• Acceded: 1078. 1436
Amadeo married Johanna De GENEVA.2605 Johanna was born about 1040 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died about 1095 about age 55.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Alice (Avile\Auxilla) De MAURIENNE was born about 1057 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.
32177558786 ii. Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY (born about 1062 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 18 September 1103)
64355117573. Johanna De GENEVA,415,2605 daughter of Gerald I Count Of GENEVA and Gisele, was born about 1040 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died about 1095 about age 55.
Johanna married Amadeo II De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY.2605 Amadeo was born about 1032 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from 26 January 1079 to 1080 1436,1447,2605 about age 47. Other names for Amadeo were Amadeus De MAURIENNE, and Amadeus II Of MAURIENNE.
64355117574. William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY,415,670,1670,1984 son of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.
William married Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY 1987,1988,1989 before 1060. Stephanie was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.
64355117575. Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY,415,670,1987,1988,1989 daughter of Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine and Clemence De FOIX, was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.
General Notes: Despite many sources that indicate this pedigree including Stephanie/Etienette's mother and father, her mother did not exist, and her father may not have married or had children. Clemence de Foix was "calculated to have existed" based on certain evidence which proved false. Some people think that Stephanie/Etienette was Ettienette, daughter of one of the Ramon Berenger, Counts of Barcelona. I am leaving the pedigree in place for these three people until more information is available.
Leo van de Pas, citing ES, still has Stephanie de Longwy, daughter of Adalbert (by unknown wife), as wife of William.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1088. 1988
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1092. 1989
Stephanie married William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY 1670,1984 before 1060. William was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.
64355117590. Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy,415,1869,2190,2191 son of Henry I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV, was born in 1057 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2191 died on 18 October 1101 in Tarsus, Cilicie (From Wounds At Battle Of Heraclea) 2192,2193 at age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Of St. Paul DE Tarse, Turkey. Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "Le Grand" Comte De VERMANDOIS.
General Notes: Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
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Marquis Orleans, Count Amiens, Paris, Valois, & Vermandois
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Leo van de Pas' data base has Hugh d. 1102, but Chris Phillips seems to have the better source, which he gives below in response to a request from Leo, on SGM, 22 Jan 2004:
From: Chris Phillips ([email protected])
Subject: Re: When DID he die?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-22 00:38:39 PST
Runciman on that page, in a chapter on "The Crusades of 1101", describes the Battle of Heraclea, early September 1101, and says this of Hugh: "Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem."
Runciman's sources for this section are "Albert of Aix, VIII, 34-40, pp. 579-82 (the only full source); Ekkehard, XXIV-XXVI, pp. 30-2". If you'd like to follow this to source, both these are available on the gallica website, in the "Recueil des historiens des croisades series" - put these numbers into the "Recherche libre" field on the search page: N051574 for Albert; N051575 for Ekkehard.
Chris Phillips
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The following post from Nathaniel Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, gives the story behind the battle which caused Hugh's death:
Well, it was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances on Hugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread. But the 1101 date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle in which a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in late September of 1101. There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology of the first Crusade's aftermath. Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide a precise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures of Western forces the Summer and Fall of 1101. See generally his _History of the Crusades_, vol. 2, chapter 2, "The Crusades of 1101." On the battle at Heraklea, he says:
"Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they found deserted as Konya had been. Just beyond the town flowed the river, one of the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer. The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rush to the welcoming water. But the Turkish army lay concealed in the thickets on the river banks. As the crusaders surged on in disorder, the Turks sprang out on them and surrounded them. There was no time to reform ranks. Panic spread through the Christian army. Horsemen and infantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in their attempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy. The duke of Aquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode into the mountains. After many days of wandering through the passes he found his way to Tarsus. Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem. Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armer. After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch. Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for his faith. The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown. Later legends said that she ended her days ia captive in a far-off harem, where she gave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi. More probably she was thrown from her litter in the panic and trampled to death."
Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition he cites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on the legend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.
Nat Taylor
Hugh married Adelaide De VERMANDOIS 1869,2192,2194 in 1067 in 1st Husband.2194 Adelaide was born about 1057 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died on 28 September 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2192,2194 about age 63.
64355117591. Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,670,1869,2192,2194 daughter of Herbert IV Count Of VERMANDOIS and Adela De VEXIN, was born about 1057 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died on 28 September 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2192,2194 about age 63.
General Notes: Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. [Complete Peerage]
Adelaide married Reinald II Count Of CLERMONT,1824,2192 son of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, in 1103 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2192.,2194 Reinald was born about 1080 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France 1824 and died in 1162 1824,2192 about age 82.
Adelaide next married Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy 1869,2190,2191 in 1067 in 1st Husband.2194 Hugh was born in 1057 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2191 died on 18 October 1101 in Tarsus, Cilicie (From Wounds At Battle Of Heraclea) 2192,2193 at age 44, and was buried in Cathedral Of St. Paul DE Tarse, Turkey. Another name for Hugh was Hugues I "Le Grand" Comte De VERMANDOIS.
64355117598. Conrad I Count Of LUXEMBOURG,415,670,2115,2147 son of Giselbert I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg and Unknown, was born about 1040 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany 2147 and died on 8 August 1086 2115,2147 about age 46.
Conrad married Clemence De POITOU 2147 in 1st Husband. Clemence was born about 1050 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died after 1129 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany 2147.
64355117599. Clemence De POITOU,415,670,2147 daughter of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Ermesinde De LONGWY, was born about 1050 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died after 1129 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany 2147.
Clemence married Conrad I Count Of LUXEMBOURG 2115,2147 in 1st Husband. Conrad was born about 1040 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany 2147 and died on 8 August 1086 2115,2147 about age 46.
Clemence next married Gerard III Von WASSENBURG Count Of Guelders 1769,2113 after 1086 in 2ND Husband. Gerard was born about 1053 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1125 in Zutphen, Guelders/Gelderland, Netherlands about age 72. Another name for Gerard was Gerard I Von Wassenburg Count Of GUELDERS.
64355117600. Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS,415,1948,2158,2606 son of Geoffrey II Vicomte De THOUARS and Agnes (Ainor\Eleanor) De BLOIS, was born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered) 2606 about age 73.
General Notes: Companion of William I at Battle of Hastings. [Ancestral Roots]
Turton, p. 9 has Ameline (2nd wife) as mother of Eleanor de Thouars.
Aimery married Aurengarde De MAULEON 1948,2606 in 1st Wife. Aurengarde was born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France and died before 1080.
Children from this marriage were:
32177558861 i. Eleanor De THOUARS (born between 1055 and 1060 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France)
32177558805 ii. Ildegarde (Hildegarde) De THOUARS (born about 1058 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France - died after 7 December 1099)
32177558800 iii. Geoffrey III Vicomte De THOUARS (born about 1060 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France - died after 1123)
Aimery next married Ameline 2158 after 1080 in 2ND Wife.2158 Ameline was born about 1028 in France.
64355117601. Aurengarde De MAULEON,415,1948,2606 daughter of Geoffroy De MAULEON and Unknown, was born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France and died before 1080.
Aurengarde married Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS 1948,2158,2606 in 1st Wife. Aimery was born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered) 2606 about age 73.
64355117608. Hugh V "Le Debonnaire" Sire De LUSIGNAN,415,1948 son of Hugh IV Sire De LUSIGNAN and Adelaide (Adelarde\Aldegarde) De THOUARS, was born between 1015 and 1018 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died on 8 October 1060 1948 about age 45.
Hugh married Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE 1997,2607 about 1038. Almonde was born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered) 1948 about age 56.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558804 i. Hugh VI "Le Diable" Sire De LUSIGNAN (born about 1039 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died in 1102)
64355117609. Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE,415,1997,2607 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY, was born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered) 1948 about age 56.
General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 8 Apr 1999, by Todd Farmerie:
From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Still more Hugh de Lusignan
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/04/08
Almodis b.ca. 990
m1. 1044/5 Pons of Toulous d. 1060 (several children)
m2. 1053 Raymond I Bernger
m3. Hugh V de Lusignan d. 1060 son Hugh VI b. ca. 1050 (latter date
according to Lusignan list recently provided by Gen-Med listers.)
She m1 Hugh, m2 Pons, m3 Ramon B.
Plenty of problems here. First we have Almodis marrying for the first time
at age 54/5 and having several children. Then we have her marrying for the
2nd time in 1053, age 63, while her first husband is still living. Then
she marries for a third time, year unknown, presumedly now in her late
60s, but has a son born to husband three in 1050 while still married to
husband two...
First of all, that ca. 990 birthdate is just wrong. As to remarrying while her former husband was still living, yes, she did that, twice, and it raised a few eyebrows at the time.
Whoever Paget is, he is stumbling badly thru his chronology.
Assuming that he was the source for the chronology, which is not certain.
taf
Almonde married Hugh V "Le Debonnaire" Sire De LUSIGNAN 1948 about 1038. Hugh was born between 1015 and 1018 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died on 8 October 1060 1948 about age 45.
Almonde next married Pons III Count Of TOULOUSE 1997 about 1039 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Divorced.2151 Pons was born about 1015 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died in 1060 in St Sernin, Toulo, France 1997 about age 45.
Children from this marriage were:
32177558858 i. William IV Count Of TOULOUSE Duke Of Narbonne (born about 1040 in Huesca, Spain - died in 1093 in Holy Land, Palestine)
ii. Raymond VI (Iv) Count Of TOULOUSE was born after 1041 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2608 and died from 28 January 1104 to 1105 in Mont-Pelerin, France.
iii. Almode Of TOULOUSE was born about 1050 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died after 1132.
iv. Garsinde De TOULOUSE was born about 1055 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.
Almonde next married Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA,2245 son of Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA and Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE, after 1050 in 3rd Husband. Ramon was born between 1023 and 1024 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 and died on 26 May 1076 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 about age 52.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Agnes (Inez) Of BARCELONA was born about 1052 in Barcelona, Spain and died after 1094 2609.
ii. Berenguer Ramon II "Fratricide" Count BARCELONA was born about 1053 in Barcelona, Spain,2610 died between 1097 and 1099 in Jerusalem, Palestine (Forced To Leave On Crusade- 2610 about age 44, and was buried after Losing Trial By Combat, Accused Of Killing Brother.).
64355117610. Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS,415,1948,2158,2606 son of Geoffrey II Vicomte De THOUARS and Agnes (Ainor\Eleanor) De BLOIS, was born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered) 2606 about age 73.
General Notes: Companion of William I at Battle of Hastings. [Ancestral Roots]
Turton, p. 9 has Ameline (2nd wife) as mother of Eleanor de Thouars.
Aimery married Aurengarde De MAULEON 1948,2606 in 1st Wife. Aurengarde was born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France and died before 1080.
Aimery next married Ameline 2158 after 1080 in 2ND Wife.2158 Ameline was born about 1028 in France.
64355117611. Aurengarde De MAULEON,415,1948,2606 daughter of Geoffroy De MAULEON and Unknown, was born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France and died before 1080.
Aurengarde married Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS 1948,2158,2606 in 1st Wife. Aimery was born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered) 2606 about age 73.
64355117620. Alan IV Fergant Duke Of BRITTANY,415,1614,2004,2063,2441 son of Hoel Of CORNOUAILLE Duke Of Brittany and Hawise Heiress Of BRITTANY, was born about 1060 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died on 13 October 1119 2004,2063 about age 59.
Alan married Constance De NORMANDIE Princess Of England,2004 daughter of William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND and Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England, in 1st Wife.2004 Constance was born in 1061 in , , Normandie, France,389,390 died on 13 August 1090 in Norwich, , Norfolk, England 389,390,2004 at age 29, and was buried in August 1090 in St. Edmund, Norwich, Norfolk, England.389,390
Alan next married Lucy De BALLON,2441 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, in No Marriage.2441 Lucy was born about 1060 in Ballon, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Brien FITZCOUNT 2nd Lord Of Abergavenny was born before 1098 of Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales 2441 and died after 1142 in Wallingford, Berkshire, England 2441.
Alan next married Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne 2004,2152,2153 after 1090 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 2004.,2611 Ermangarde was born about 1072 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1147 389,390,2004,2063 about age 75. Another name for Ermangarde was Hermengarde Of BRETAGNE.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Hawise Fergant Of BRITTANY was born about 1100 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France. Another name for Hawise was Hawise FERGANT.
64355117621. Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne,415,670,2004,2152,2153 daughter of Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency, was born about 1072 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1147 389,390,2004,2063 about age 75. Another name for Ermangarde was Hermengarde Of BRETAGNE.
Noted events in her life were:
• Title: Duchess of Bretagne, , , Bretagne, France. 390,417
Ermangarde married William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine 2149,2150,2151 in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1090.2152 William was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
Ermangarde next married Alan IV Fergant Duke Of BRITTANY 1614,2004,2063,2441 after 1090 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 2004.,2611 Alan was born about 1060 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died on 13 October 1119 2004,2063 about age 59.
64355117622. Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND,415,417,642,670,774,775,1167,1168,1169,1598,1600,1601,1602,1745,1746 son of William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND and Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England, was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
General Notes:
Henry I was born in the year 1068---a factor he himself regarded as highly significant, for he was the only son of the Conqueror born after the conquest of England, and to Henry this meant he was heir to the throne. He was not an attractive proposition: he was dissolute to a degree, producing at least a score of bastards; but far worse he was prone to sadistic cruelty---on one occasion, for example, personally punishing a rebellious burgher by throwing him from the walls of his town.
At the death of William the Conqueror, Henry was left no lands, merely 5,000 pounds of silver. With these he bought lands from his elder brother Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, only to see them taken back again a few years later by Robert, in unholy alliance with his brother William Rufus.
Henry could do little to avenge such treatment, but in England he found numerous barons who were tired of the exactions and ambitions of their king. He formed alliances with some of these, notably with the important de Clare family. He and some of the de Clares were with William Rufus on his last hunting expedition, and it is thought that the king's death was the result of Henry's plotting.
Certainly he moved fast to take advantage of it; leaving Rufus's body unattended in the woods, he swooped down on Winchester to take control of the treasury. Two days later he was in Westminster, being crowned by the Bishop of London. His speed is understandable when one realises that his elder brother, Robert [Curthose], was returning from the crusade, and claimed, with good reason, to be the true heir.
Henry showed great good sense in his first actions as King. He arrested Ranulph Flambard, William's tax-gatherer, and recalled Anselm, the exiled Archbishop. Furthermore, he issued a Charter of Liberties which promised speedy redress of grievances, and a return to the good government of the Conqueror. Putting aside for the moment his many mistresses, he married the sister of the King of Scots, who was descended from the royal line of Wessex; and lest the Norman barons should think him too pro-English in this action, he changed her name from Edith to Matilda. No one could claim that he did not aim to please.
In 1101 Robert Curthose invaded, but Henry met him at Alton, and persuaded him to go away again by promising him an annuity of £2,000. He had no intention of keeping up the payments, but the problem was temporarily solved.
He now felt strong enough to move against dissident barons who might give trouble in the future. Chief amongst these was the vicious Robert of Bellême, Earl of Shrewsbury, whom Henry had known for many years as a dangerous troublemaker. He set up a number of charges against him in the king's court, making it plain that if he appeared for trial he would be convicted and imprisoned. Thus Robert and his colleagues were forced into rebellion at a time not of their own choosing, were easily defeated and sent scuttling back to Normandy.
In Normandy Robert Curthose began to wreak his wrath on all connected with his brother, thus giving Henry an excellent chance to retaliate with charges of misgovernment and invade. He made two expeditions in 1104-5, before the great expedition of 1106 on which Robert was defeated at the hour-long battle of Tinchebrai, on the anniversary of Hastings. No one had expected such an easy victory, but Henry took advantage of the state of shock resulting from the battle to annex Normandy. Robert was imprisoned (in some comfort, it be said); he lived on for 28 more years, ending up in Cardiff castle whiling away the long hours learning Welsh. His son William Clito remained a free agent, to plague Henry for most of the rest of his reign.
In England the struggle with Anselm over the homage of bishops ran its course until the settlement of 1107. In matters of secular government life was more simple: Henry had found a brilliant administrator, Roger of Salisbury, to act as Justiciar for him. Roger had an inventive mind, a keen grasp of affairs, and the ability to single out young men of promise. He quickly built up a highly efficient team of administrators, and established new routines and forms of organisation within which they could work. To him we owe the Exchequer and its recording system of the Pipe Rolls, the circuits of royal justiciars spreading the king's peace, and the attempts at codification of law. Henry's good relationships with his barons, and with the burgeoning new towns owed much to skilful administration. Certainly he was able to gain a larger and more reliable revenue this way than by the crude extortion his brother had used.
In 1120 came the tragedy of the White Ship. The court was returning to England, and the finest ship in the land was filled with its young men, including Henry's son and heir William. Riotously drunk, they tried to go faster and faster, when suddenly the ship foundered. All hands except a butcher of Rouen were lost, and England was without an heir.
Henry's benefactions to the Church caused the monkish historians to palliate his sins and to find excuses for his lust; but they could not avert the fatal consequence. When the White Ship was wrecked on the deadly rock, a boat was launched and the King's only legitimate son and heir was being rowed to safety. It was the cries of his illegitimate half-sister, the Countess of Perche, which induced him to return to the wreck, where they sank together. [THE COMPLETE PEERAGE, Volume XI, Appendix D, pp. 105-121]
Henry's only legitimate child was Matilda, but she was married to the Emperor Henry V of Germany, and so could not succeed. But in 1125 her husband died, and Henry brought her home and forced the barons to swear fealty to her---though they did not like the prospect of a woman ruler. Henry then married her to Geoffrey of Anjou, the Normans' traditional enemy, and the barons were less happy---especially when the newly-weds had a terrible row, and Geoffrey ordered her out of his lands. In 1131 Henry, absolutely determined, forced the barons to swear fealty once more, and the fact that they did so is testimoney of his controlling power. Matilda and Geoffrey were reunited, and in 1133 she produced a son whom she named for his grandfather. If only Henry could live on until his grandson was old enough to rule, all would be well.
But in 1135, against doctor's orders, he ate a hearty meal of lampreys, got acute indigestion, which turned into fever, and died. He was buried at his abbey in Reading---some said in a silver coffin, for which there was an unsuccessful search at the Dissolution. [Source: Who's Who in the Middle Ages, John Fines, Barnes & Noble Books, New York, 1995]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1100-1135.
Henry married Sibyl (Adela) (Lucy) CORBET Lady Of Alcester,893,1601,1748 daughter of Robert Fitz CORBET and Unknown, about 1105 in No Marriage 390,630,893.,1747 Sibyl was born about 1092 in Longden, Pontesbury, Shropshire, England 389,390 and died after 1157 in <, Alcester, Warwick, England> 389,390,1747. Another name for Sibyl was Annora or Lucy.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Partners: Abt 1090. 1701,1702,1713,1749
Henry next married Several MISTRESSES 1601,1750 in No Marriage 389,390,1095.,1750 Several was born about 1070 in England & France.
Henry next married Edith FITZFORNE Baroness Of Greystoke 1464,1601 about 1089 in No Marriage 389,390.,1095 Edith was born about 1072 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England,389,390,1753 died in 1152 389,390,773,1753 about age 80, and was buried in Oseney Abbey, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.389,390,1753
Marriage Notes: Mistress of Henry I
_STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Baroness of Greystoke, , Greystoke Manor, Northumberland, England. 390,417
Henry next married Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT,1601,1754,1755 daughter of Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester and Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS, in No Marriage.1754 Isabel was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
Henry next married Edith 1750 in No Marriage.1750 Edith was born about 1070 in England.
Henry next married Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew 1601,1758,1759,1760,1761,1762 about 1098 in No Marriage 389,390,726,1095,1750.,1757 Nest was born about 1073 of Dynevor, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390,1762 and died about 1163 about age 90.
Henry next married Matilda "Atheling" SCOTLAND Queen Of England,1599,1600,1601 daughter of Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND and St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland, on 11 November 1100 in Westminster Abbey, London, England 389,390,726,1600,1750.,1757 Matilda was born in October 1079 in Dunfermline, Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland,389,390,1600 died on 1 May 1118 in Westminster, London, Middlesex, England 389,390,1600 at age 38, and was buried in June 1118 in Church Of St Peter, Westminster, Middlesex, England.389,390
Noted events in her life were:
• Title: Queen of England, 1 December 1135-July 1136, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390
• Title: Princess of Scotland, , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. 390
Henry next married Adeliza (Adela) Of LOUVAIN,1595,1598,1599 daughter of Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant and Ida De Chiny & NAMUR, from 29 January 1120 to 1121 in Windsor Castle, Berkshire, England 1598,1599.,1600 Adeliza was born about 1103 in Brabant, Netherlands,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligem Nunnery, Brabant, Belgium (As A Nun) 1595,1599 about age 48, and was buried in Affligem Abbey, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Adeliza was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Henry next married Adelicia Princess Of BRABANT Queen Of England 1595,1598,1599,1601 from 24 January 1120 to 1121 in , Windsor, Berkshire, England 389,390,1598,1599,1764.,1765 Adelicia was born about 1094 in Of, , Brabant, Netherlands,389,390,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligham, Flanders, France 389,390,1595,1599 about age 57, and was buried on 23 April 1151 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390 Another name for Adelicia was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Queen of England, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,417,1764,1765
• Unknown: Princess of Brabant, <Brabant, Antwerp, Belgium, Netherlands>. 390,417,1765
Henry next married Ansfride De SPARSHALT Concubine 2 about 1086 in <, , , England> 389,390.,1095 Ansfride was born about 1069 in <, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England> 389,390 and was buried in Abington Abbey, Abington, Berkshire, England.389,390
Marriage Notes: _STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
64355117623. Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew,415,505,670,1601,1746,1758,1759,1760,1761,1762 daughter of Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth and Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON, was born about 1073 of Dynevor, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390,1762 and died about 1163 about age 90.
General Notes:
Nest (who also [in addition to Gerald fitz Walter] had by Stephen, Constable of Cardigan, a son (Robert fitz Stephen) and by Henry I another son (Henry, killed 1158, father of Meiler fitz Henry), daughter of Rhys ap Tudor Mawr, Prince of South Wales. [Burke's Peerage, p. 1679]
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He [Gerald de Windsor] married Nest, daughter of Rhys ap Tudor Mawr, PRINCE OF SOUTH WALES (e). The date of his death is not known, presumably before 1136. [Complete Peerage X:10-11, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(e) In 1106, when Owen ap Cadugan carried her off, two of her sons and a daughter by Gerald de Windsor were taken with her, the sons being returned later to their father. By Stephen, constable of Cardigan (query after Gerald's death), Nest bore a son, Robert FitzStephen, and by Henry I a son Henry (killed 1158), father of Meiler FitzHenry, which Robert and Meiler were later brothers-in-arms of the Geraldines in Ireland.
Nest married Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND 1598,1600,1601,1602 about 1098 in No Marriage 389,390,726,1095,1750.,1757 Henry was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
64355117712. William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine,415,1444,2612,2613 son of William II Count Of POITOU Iv Duke D'aquitaine and Duchess Of Aquitaine Emma De BLOIS, was born on 29 June 992 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147 and died on 31 January 1030 in Abbey Of St. Cyprian 1109,1436 at age 37. Other names for William were Guillaume V, William III Of Poitou V Duke Of AQUITAINE, William Iii, and Count Of POITOU.
William married Amodis Von GÉVAUDAN about 977.
The child from this marriage was:
i. William Iv/Vi, Duke Of AQUITAINE was born in 1004.1436
William next married Sancha Von GASCOGNE in 1011.1436 Sancha died before 1018.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Eudes, Duke Of AQUITAINE was born about 1012. Another name for Eudes, was Odo.
ii. Theobald Of AQUITAINE was born about 1015.
William next married Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY 2390 in 1018 in 3rd Wife 1436.,2390 Agnès was born about 995 in Bourgogne, France 2147 and died on 10 November 1068 2147 about age 73. Other names for Agnès were Agnès De BOURGOGNE, Agnaes Of BURGUNDY, Agnes, and Princess Of LOMBARDY.
Children from this marriage were:
i. William V/Vii L'aigret, Duke Of AQUITAINE was born about 1023 and died on 25 September 1086 in Chateau DE Chizé, Poitou, France 1436 about age 63. Other names for William were Guido, Guy-Geoffroi,2042 Peter, Guillaume VII Of Poitiers, Duke Of AQUITAINE, Wilhelm Viii, Count Of AQUITAINE, William V, and Count Of POITOU.
ii. Beatrix Of POITOU was born about 1020 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 1109 about age 89.
iii. Agnes D' AQUITAINE was born about 1025 in Aquitaine, France and died on 4 December 1077 2614 about age 52.
v. Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of BAVARIA was born about 1020 in Aquitaine, France and died on 14 October 1077 in Rome, -, Italy 2614 about age 57. Other names for Agnes were Agnaes Of AQUITAINE, Agnes D' AQUITAINE, and Agenes Of PITOU.
William next married Agnes (Almodie) De GEVAUDAN 2390 in 1st Wife.2390 Agnes was born about 980 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died after 1005.
The child from this marriage was:
i. William IV Count Of POITOU Vi Duke D'aquitaine was born about 1000 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 15 December 1038 in (Dsp) about age 38. Another name for William was William IV Of Poitou VI Duke Of AQUITAINE.
William next married Brisque De GASCONY 2390 after 1005 in 2ND Wife.2390 Brisque was born about 975 in Gascony, France and died before 1017. Another name for Brisque was Brisque De GASCOGNE.
64355117713. Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2390 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 995 in Bourgogne, France 2147 and died on 10 November 1068 2147 about age 73. Other names for Agnès were Agnès De BOURGOGNE, Agnaes Of BURGUNDY, Agnes, and Princess Of LOMBARDY.
General Notes:
She became the third wife of Guillaume III-V, Duke of Aquitaine, one of the most powerful lords in France. After about twelve years of marriage, Guillaume died and Agnes defeated his two sons from a previous marriage. First she ruled by herself, then later with her own two sons. She married again but her second husband, the Count of Anjou, divorced her after eighteen years. 1741
Agnès married William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine 2612,2613 in 1018 in 3rd Wife 1436.,2390 William was born on 29 June 992 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2147 and died on 31 January 1030 in Abbey Of St. Cyprian 1109,1436 at age 37. Other names for William were Guillaume V, William III Of Poitou V Duke Of AQUITAINE, William Iii, and Count Of POITOU.
64355117714. Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,2237,2238 son of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.
Robert married Helie (Ella) De SEMUR 1601,2238,2239 about 1033 in , , , France.2238 Helie was born in 1016 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2239 and died after 22 April 1055 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2239. Another name for Helie was Eleanor Of Seomur En AUXOIS.
Robert next married Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois],1601,2242 daughter of Foulques III (Fulk) "The Black" Comte D' ANJOU Count and Hildegarde Countess Of ANJOU, about 1048 in France. Ermengarde was born in 1018 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2243 at age 57.
64355117715. Helie (Ella) De SEMUR,415,1601,1746,2238,2239 daughter of Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR and Aremburge De NEVERS, was born in 1016 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2239 and died after 22 April 1055 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2239. Another name for Helie was Eleanor Of Seomur En AUXOIS.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1028. 2238
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1109. 2238
Helie married Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY 1601,2237,2238 about 1033 in , , , France.2238 Robert was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.
64355117716. Pons III Count Of TOULOUSE,415,1997 son of William III Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE and Emma Venaissin De PROVENCE, was born about 1015 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died in 1060 in St Sernin, Toulo, France 1997 about age 45.
Pons married Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE 1997,2607 about 1039 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Divorced.2151 Almonde was born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered) 1948 about age 56.
64355117717. Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE,415,1997,2607 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY, was born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered) 1948 about age 56.
General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 8 Apr 1999, by Todd Farmerie:
From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Still more Hugh de Lusignan
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/04/08
Almodis b.ca. 990
m1. 1044/5 Pons of Toulous d. 1060 (several children)
m2. 1053 Raymond I Bernger
m3. Hugh V de Lusignan d. 1060 son Hugh VI b. ca. 1050 (latter date
according to Lusignan list recently provided by Gen-Med listers.)
She m1 Hugh, m2 Pons, m3 Ramon B.
Plenty of problems here. First we have Almodis marrying for the first time
at age 54/5 and having several children. Then we have her marrying for the
2nd time in 1053, age 63, while her first husband is still living. Then
she marries for a third time, year unknown, presumedly now in her late
60s, but has a son born to husband three in 1050 while still married to
husband two...
First of all, that ca. 990 birthdate is just wrong. As to remarrying while her former husband was still living, yes, she did that, twice, and it raised a few eyebrows at the time.
Whoever Paget is, he is stumbling badly thru his chronology.
Assuming that he was the source for the chronology, which is not certain.
taf
Almonde married Hugh V "Le Debonnaire" Sire De LUSIGNAN 1948 about 1038. Hugh was born between 1015 and 1018 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died on 8 October 1060 1948 about age 45.
Almonde next married Pons III Count Of TOULOUSE 1997 about 1039 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Divorced.2151 Pons was born about 1015 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died in 1060 in St Sernin, Toulo, France 1997 about age 45.
Almonde next married Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA,2245 son of Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA and Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE, after 1050 in 3rd Husband. Ramon was born between 1023 and 1024 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 and died on 26 May 1076 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 about age 52.
64355117718. Robert De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall,415,891,896,1995 son of Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE and Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE, was born about 1031 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 1965,1995 and died on 8 December 1095 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1965,1995 about age 64. Another name for Robert was Robert De MORTAIN Earl Of Cornwall.
General Notes: Fought at Battle of Hastings. [Ancestral Roots]
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EARLDOM of CORNWALL
Robert, Count of Mortain in Normandy, one of the two sons of Herluin de Conteville, by Herleve, mother of William the Conqueror, was b. about 1031. About 1050 he received, from his uterine brother, William, then Duke of Normandy, the comte of Mortain, and was thenceforth known as Count of Mortain. He accompanied William in the invasion of England, where he was in command of the chivalry of the Cotentin at the battle of Hastings, 1066. His share of the spoil was one of the greatest, as, with the exception of the lands of the King and the Church, he received nearly the whole of the county of Cornwall, and is, consequently, usually considered Earl of Cornwall, though only known as Comes Moritoniensis. At the time of Domesday, he was possessed of 797 manors in various counties, besides the borough of Pevensey in Sussex, etc. In 1069 he, with Robert, Count of Eu, defeated the Danes in the parts of Lindsey, with great slaughter. He joined his brother, the Earl of Kent in 1088 in a rebellion against William II in favour of his brother Robert Courthose, but was subsequently pardoned.
He m. 1stly, before 1066, Maud, daughter of Robert de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, Seigneur of Alencon and Belleme). She was buried in the Abbey of Grestain. He m. 2ndly, Almodis. He d. 8 Dec 1090, and was buried with his 1st wife. [Complete Peerage III:427-8 as corrected by XIV:207]
Robert married Maud De MONTGOMERY 1965,1996 before 1066 in 1st Wife.1996 Maud was born about 1049 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died about 1085 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1270 about age 36.
Robert next married Almodis 1996 before 1085 in 2ND Wife.1996 Almodis was born about 1055 in France and died in 1107 about age 52.
64355117719. Maud De MONTGOMERY,415,1965,1996 daughter of Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury and Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON, was born about 1049 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died about 1085 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1270 about age 36.
General Notes: He [Robert, Count of Mortain] m. 1stly, before 1066, Maud, daughter of Robert de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, Seigneur of Alencon and Belleme). She was buried in the Abbey of Grestain. He m. 2ndly, Almodis. He d. 8 Dec 1090, and was buried with his 1st wife. [Complete Peerage III:427-8 as corrected by XIV:207]
Maud married Robert De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall 891,896,1995 before 1066 in 1st Wife.1996 Robert was born about 1031 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 1965,1995 and died on 8 December 1095 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1965,1995 about age 64. Another name for Robert was Robert De MORTAIN Earl Of Cornwall.
64355117720. Hugues Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT & Roche,415,2158,2391 son of Boso I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT and Amelia, was born about 1008 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died about 1075 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France 2158 about age 67.
Hugues married Gerberge De LA ROCHEFOUCAULD 2158,2391 about 1035.2158 Gerberge was born about 1024 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.
The child from this marriage was:
64355117721. Gerberge De LA ROCHEFOUCAULD,415,2158,2391 daughter of Foucauld I Seigneur De LA ROCHE and Gersinde, was born about 1024 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.
Gerberge married Hugues Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT & Roche 2158,2391 about 1035.2158 Hugues was born about 1008 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died about 1075 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France 2158 about age 67.
64355117722. Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS,415,1948,2158,2606 son of Geoffrey II Vicomte De THOUARS and Agnes (Ainor\Eleanor) De BLOIS, was born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered) 2606 about age 73.
General Notes: Companion of William I at Battle of Hastings. [Ancestral Roots]
Turton, p. 9 has Ameline (2nd wife) as mother of Eleanor de Thouars.
Aimery married Aurengarde De MAULEON 1948,2606 in 1st Wife. Aurengarde was born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France and died before 1080.
Aimery next married Ameline 2158 after 1080 in 2ND Wife.2158 Ameline was born about 1028 in France.
64355117723. Aurengarde De MAULEON,415,1948,2606 daughter of Geoffroy De MAULEON and Unknown, was born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France and died before 1080.
Aurengarde married Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS 1948,2158,2606 in 1st Wife. Aimery was born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered) 2606 about age 73.
64355117724. Archimbaud BOREL 415 was born in 1019 in France.
Archimbaud married Agnes Dame De LISLE BOUCHARD. Agnes was born in 1023 in Isle Bouchard, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558862 i. Bartholomew De L'isle BOUCHARD (born in 1049 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France)
64355117725. Agnes Dame De LISLE BOUCHARD 415 was born in 1023 in Isle Bouchard, France.
Agnes married Archimbaud BOREL. Archimbaud was born in 1019 in France.
64355117728. Foulque I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME,415,1529,1831 son of Geoffrey I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME and Petronille De ARCHIAC, was born in 1015 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died in 1087 1831 at age 72. Another name for Foulque was Fulk I TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1089. 1529
Foulque married Condohe (Cundo) VAGENA 1529,1831 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Condohe was born about 1044 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558864 i. Guillaume III Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME (born about 1065 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France - died on 16 April 1118)
64355117729. Condohe (Cundo) VAGENA,415,1529,1831 daughter of Ounorman (Qunormau) VAGENA and Unknown, was born about 1044 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.
Condohe married Foulque I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME 1529,1831 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Foulque was born in 1015 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died in 1087 1831 at age 72. Another name for Foulque was Fulk I TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
64355117730. Amanjeu Seigneur De BENAUGES 415,1529 was born about 1045 in Benauge, Gironde, Aquitaine, France.
Amanjeu married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558865 i. Vitapay De BENAUGES (born about 1073 in Benauge, Gironde, Aquitaine, France)
64355117732. Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury,415,588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 son of Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois and Emma, was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
General Notes:
Shrewsbury, Earldom of: In early December 1074 Roger de Montgomery was created Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury. As with other medieval earldoms, little distinction was then made between the county town and county proper when designating a specific name for a title, chiefly because an earl, who was then more or less and official, albeit often hereditary, was inconceivable except as earl of a county.
Roger was son of another Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of the Norman places (St Germain-de-Montgomery and Ste-Foy-de-Montgomery) of that name in the Calvados region. He was a prominent member of the nobles grouped around William (later William I of England, The Conqueror) of Normandy well before the 1066 invasion of England but stayed behind in Normandy during the actual enterprise. The year after Hastings he went to England and received land grants in Sussex. He is thought to have constructed the Castle of Montgomery (now in Powys, but formerly named Mongomeryshire after his family), doing so shortly before the Domesday Survey. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]
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EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (I) 1074
EARLDOM OF ARUNDEL (I) 1067
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY (who, in right of his 1st wife, Mabel de Bellême, daughter of William TALVAS, was LORD OF ALENCON, SEEZ, &c., in Normandy), having during the invasion of England, remained, as REGENT, in Normandy, came over thence, for the first time, with King William, in December 1067, and, at the Christmas festival, was created an EARL, receiving, among other large grants from the Conqueror, about one third of the county of Sussex, including the city of Chichester and the CASTLE OF ARUNDEL.(a) By this last grant he may be considered to have become EARL OF ARUNDEL, according to the remarkable admission(b) in 1433 on the claim to that Earldom. At all events he was frequently so styled, though, occasionally, he is styled EARL OF CHICHESTER. Dugdale and many later writers consider him to have been EARL OF SUSSEX. On the dismemberment of Mercia, in 1070, another Earldom was conferred on him, by the grant of nearly the whole of Shropshire (with, apparently, Palatine authority), together with the Castles of Shrewsbury and Montgomery, and the Lordship of the West Marches. He was thenceforth generally known as EARL OF SHREWSBURY, though occasionally (according to modern views, more correctly) as EARL OF SHROPSHIRE. He is the "COMES ROGIERUS " of the Domesday survey, where, of course, no local designation is attributed to him. He died 27 July 1094.
(a)This formed the Honour of Arundel, which consisted of the rapes of Arundel and Chichester, being two out of the six rapes into which Sussex is divided. It contained, besides the city of Chichester and the Castle of Arundel (as abovenamed), 84 1/2 knights' fees, ten hundreds (with their forests, woods and chases), three lordships (Halnaker, Petworth and Midhurst) eighteen parks and seventy-seven manors. See Tierney's Hist. of Arundel, p. 12. G.E.C.
It is pointed out however to the Editor by J. H. Round that, according to the latest view of archeologists, the castle may have been erected by Roger of Montgomery himself, after obtaining possession of the Honour. V.G.
(b)The claim to the Earldom as being one by tenure of the Castle of Arundel was made by John Arundel, who had been sum. to Parl. in 1429, the writ being directed "Johanni ArundeIl' de Arundell' Chivaler." In I433 (II Hen. VI) he petitioned [as Earl of Arundel] to be sum. to Parl. and considered as Earl of Arundel, a dignity or name united and annexed to the Castle and Lordship of Arundel, for time whereof memory of man was not to the contrary--a peculiar and distinct claim (as stated in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, p. 406), " not connected with any general, but asserting a special right, and which being founded on prescription, was to be supported by evidence of constant and immemorial enjoyment of the asserted right, which right if not shown to have been so constantly enjoyed, the title by prescription failed. This claim, though opposed by John (Mowbray), Duke of Norfolk, was admitted by the Crown, notwithstanding that the assertion of the constant annexation of the title to the Castle of Arundel could not have been sustained, had it been (which it was not) made the subject of an enquiry." (Courthope, p. 30).
The claim then of 1433 was, as is stated above, "admitted by the Crown, or so far admitted as that the assertion in the petition is made the consideration (with others not connected with the question) for the King's acceding to it, with a saving, nevertheless, of the right of the King, of the Duke of Norfolk (who, being a coheir of the Earls of Arundel, had opposed the Earl's claim) and of every other person; which saving clause, as is remarked in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, was that species of saving which is deemed in law illusory operating nothing.' (Courthope, p. xx). See also Tierney's Historv of Arundel (vol. i, p. 106), where the judgment is set out, reciting "that Richard Fitz Alan was seized of the Castle, Honour and Lordship [of Arundel] in fee; that, by reason of his possession thereof, he was, without other reason or creation, EARL oF ARUNDEL, - &c."; and stating also, that "the King, contemplating the person of the present claimant, now Earl of Arundel, &c., has, with the advice and assent of the Prelates, Dukes, Earls and Barons in this present Parl. assembled, admitted John, now Earl of Arundel, to the place and seat anciently belonging to the Earls of Arundel in Parl. and council."
Almost similar words are used in the Act of Parl. obtained in 1627, which, in form of a petition to the King recites that the Earldom of Arundel had been real and local from the time whereof the memory of man was not to the contrary, and had, from the time aforesaid, been used and enjoyed bv the petitioner and such of his ancestors as had possessed the Castle of Arundel, &c. Now it is to be noted that the claimant of 1433 alleged that his ancestors, the possessors of Arundel, were Earls of Arundel, both bs(ore, as well as after, the Conquest. Fortunately, however King Harold and his father, Earl Godwin, have not to be included, and still less a long shadowy race of Earls extending upwards towards (even if not including) primeval man. The words "memory of man " must, of course, be read in their strict legal significance, as indicating the reign of Richard I, so that the Act of 1627 (and, possibly, the admission of 1433 also) would not apply to any Earl of Arundel, prior to I I 89.
The Redesdale Committee remarks on these proceedings that they "ought to be considered as an anomaly influenced by political views, and decided apparently without much discussion, and without the assistance of the judges." Moreover the assertion of fact by the claimant as to the Earldom having always depended on possession of the Castle in the past "seems not to have been true, and not to have been made the subject of enquiry when the question was decided." For a similar case of a charter creating a peerage, and setting out, as facts, unfounded statements of the grantee, see the Barony of LISLE, cr. 1444, in the same reign.
[Complete Peerage I:230-33, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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He [Roger de Montgomery, probably 3rd but 1st surviving son and heir of Roger I de Montgomery by Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. He m. 2ndly, Adelaide, daughter of Everard de Puiset. Roger d. 27 July 1094 at Shrewsbury and having been clothed as a monk three days before his death was buried there in the abbey which he had founded. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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The following additional information was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Heismois [Ref: CP XI:683]
Earl of Arundel or Earl of Chichester, Earl of Shropshire or Salop, called Earl of Montgomery, Seigneur de Bellesme et d'Alencon [Ref: Watney p696]
Seigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Heismois, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, Regent of Normandy and England [Ref: Moriarty p44]
Viscount of the Hiemois, Lord of the West Marches, Earl of Chichester, Shropshire, and Sussex [Ref: Turton]
1048: accompanied Duke William on his expedition against Domfront and Alencon [Ref: CP XI:683]
1066: was with the Duke while preparations were in progress for the invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition [Ref: CP XI:683]
Dec 1067: accompanied the King to England and thereupon received a grant of Arundel and Chichester [Ref: CP XI:683]
1086: 'Comtes Rogerus' at Domesday [Ref: Watney p696]
1st Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: Doug Smith <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 27 Apr 2002]
Roger Earl of Shrewsbury. Also Roger of Montgomery. From Saint Germain de Montgomery, near Lisieux. Lord of Sussex rape of Arundel, with castle there; Earl of Shrewsbury from 1071-74 to death in 1094. Holdings in 12 counties in south, east and west. [Ref: Domesday Online]
Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086:
Roger de Montgomery II, better known as Earl Roger in the Domesday, but officially the seigneur of Montgomery, was the major recipient of Shropshire holdings. An old man of considerable wealth and power, he contributed 60 ships to the invasion fleet and was in command of a wing at the Battle of Hastings. He returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda, and the young Duke Robert as Duke William's representative in Normandy. He became head of the council that governed the Duchy of Normandy in Duke William's frequent absences in England. The Norman Montgomery family ancestry was closely interwoven either by blood or marriage with the Duchy of Normandy. However, the family history in Normandy was not without blemish. Roger had four brothers, Hugh, Robert, William and Gilbert. All four brothers were murdered in revenge for the murder of Osberne de Crepon, guardian of Duke William. Roger was the survivor. Continuing, Roger de Montgomery had four sons. Eldest was Robert, Count of Alencon, and successor in Normandy to his vast estates which he still held for his father Roger as his chief domain. He was followed by second son, Hugh, who inherited the Earldom of Arundel, Chichester and Shrewsbury, the life custodian of the main Montgomery family domains granted in England. These would eventually go to Robert in 1098, purchased from William Rufus for 3000 pounds. Next youngest was Count Roger de Poitou who was made the first Earl of Lancaster by Duke William of Normandy, a less maganamious grant which befitted the third youngest son. Philip, the youngest, remained in Normandy and accompanied Duke Robert on the first crusade to the Holy land, and died there in 1094.
Earl Roger was responsible to Duke William of Normandy as his chief architect in the defence of the middle marches of the border in his defence against the Welsh. He built many castles including Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Arundel, Ludlow, Clun, Hopton and Oswestry. His son, Robert, described at the Conquest as a 'novice in arms', but who might have been 40 by the Domesday, represented his father Earl Roger, and created some confusion in the records. Roger, the father, became the Earl of Shrewsbury and the Earl of Arundel in England, and retained his domains in Normandy at Bailleul (Kings of Scotland), Belmeis (Beaumais), Pantulf, Vimoutiers, Say and Tornai. However, Earl Roger also became confused with Roger de Beaumont in Normandy, who, it is claimed, was also head of the council in Normandy. [found this online but didn't cite URL, sorry. Try google: keywords: (title above)]
Earl Roger's Shropshire Land Holdings
Alveley, Baschurch, Berwick (Shrewsbury), Cheney Longville, Chetton, Chirbury, Claverley, Corfham, Culmington, Donington, Dudston, Eardington, Edenhope, Edgmond, Ellesmere, Fenemere, Ford, High Ercall, Hockleton, Hodnet, Kingsmordley, Leebotwood, Loppington, Lydham, Minsterley, Montford, Morville, Netley, Oswestry, Poynton, Pulley, Quatford, Quatt, Rhiston, Romsley, Rorrington, Rowton, Rudge, Ruyton, Shavington, Shawbury, Shifnall, Shipley, Shrewsbury, Siefton, Smethcott, Spoonley, Stottesdon, Stretton, The Marsh, Tong Tuange, Walcot, Wellington, Whittingslow, Whittington, Wilderley, Wistanstow, Withington, Woodcote(Newport), Wotherton, Wrockwardine, Ackley, Aston, Basley, Churchstoke
[Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Shropshire.htm]
Regards,
Curt
Noted events in his life were:
• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1375,1664 Lord of Alençon in Normandy via his marriage.
• Fact 3: Fact 3, 1066. 1372,1375,1664 Regent of Normandy when William the Conqueror invaded England.
• Fact 5: Fact 5. 1375,1664 Created Earl of Shrewsbury 1070 in the Welsh Marches at dismemberment of Mercia.
• Fact 6: Fact 6. 1372,1375,1966 Vicomte de Heimois.
• Fact 7: Fact 7. 1372,1375 Earl of Chicester, Seigneur de Montgoemry.
• Graduation: 1375,1664 Joined William in England in 1067 & was created Earl of Arundel.
Roger married Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON 1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Mabel was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:44687
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962 1st wife
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962
Roger next married Adelaide De PUISET 1962 after 1079 in 2ND Wife.1962 Adelaide was born about 1045 in Le Puiset, Rochefort, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
64355117733. Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON,415,1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 daughter of William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme and Hildeburg De ALENÇON, was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
General Notes:
He [Roger de Montgomery] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em, gives additional information on Mabel:
aka: Mabel/Mabilia Heiress de Belesme (Belleme)
...Mabel of Belesme, described by various sources as "wicked, unnatural and cruel"..."haughty, worldly-minded, crafty, and a babbler". ..."Among those whom either her ambition or her hatred had led her to despoil of their rights was Hugh, Seigneur de la Roche Ige (accent over the "e"), whom she had deprived of his castle. On Dec. 2, 1082, he entered her chamber at the Chateu de Bures, near Troarn, and killed her with his sword. Decapitated her, according to some. Hugh successfully escaped. More detail will be found in "Dictionary of National Biography" (v. 49, pp. 101-2). [Ref: Tom Camfield <[email protected]> 29 Feb 1996 message to Gen-Medieval]
died: 10 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III:636-7]
Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney p5, 696]
Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty p11, 12, 44]
1079 [Ref: Turton p185]
murdered [Ref: Watney p696]
buried: Abbey of Troarn, Eure, (in what is now France) [Ref: McBride, Smokykin] note: Smokykin is David Beckwith's website at http://www.smokykin.com/ged/
Mabel married Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury 588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Roger was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
64355117734. Alberic III Comte De LA MARCHE,415,1529 son of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY, was born about 1010 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 1086 about age 76.
Alberic married Ponce 1529 in 2ND Wife.1529 Ponce was born about 1035 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558867 i. Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE (born in 1062 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France - died in 1116)
64355117735. Ponce 415,1529 was born about 1035 in France.
Ponce married Alberic III Comte De LA MARCHE 1529 in 2ND Wife.1529 Alberic was born about 1010 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 1086 about age 76.
64355117736. Guillaume I Vicomte De TURENNE,415,1529 son of Viscount Of Turenne Ebles I Vicomte De TURENNE and Viscountess Beatrice De NORMANDIE, was born about 1015 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France.
Guillaume married Matilde.1529 Matilde was born about 1030 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558868 i. Boso I Vicomte De TURENNE (born about 1050 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France - died in 1091 in Jerusalem, Palestine)
64355117737. Matilde 415,1529 was born about 1030 in France.
Matilde married Guillaume I Vicomte De TURENNE.1529 Guillaume was born about 1015 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France.
64355117738. Pierre I Comte De TERRASSON 415,1529 was born about 1040 in Terrasson, Guyenne, Aquitaine, France.
Pierre married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558869 i. Gerberge De TERRASSON (born about 1070 in Terrasson, Guyenne, Aquitaine, France - died in 1103)
64355117740. Geoffery II Count De Mortagne & Du PERCHE,415,531,1909,2615,2616 son of Rotrou I Vicomte Chateaudun Count Of MORTAGNE and Adeline (Adeliz) De Belleme De DOMFRONT, was born about 1045 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died in October 1100 2253,2617 about age 55. Another name for Geoffery was Geoffery II Count De MORTAGNE & De Perche.
General Notes: fought at Battle of Hastings.
Geoffery married Beatrice De MONTDIDIER 1909,2615,2616 about 1067 of Picardy, France. Beatrice was born about 1051 in Montdidier, Picardy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Julienne Du PERCHE was born about 1080 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France.
ii. Margaret Du PERCHE was born about 1075 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1156 531,1909.
64355117741. Beatrice De MONTDIDIER,415,670,1909,2615,2616 daughter of Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY, was born about 1051 in Montdidier, Picardy, France.
Beatrice married Geoffery II Count De Mortagne & Du PERCHE 531,1909,2615,2616 about 1067 of Picardy, France. Geoffery was born about 1045 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died in October 1100 2253,2617 about age 55. Another name for Geoffery was Geoffery II Count De MORTAGNE & De Perche.
64355117742. Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND,415,417,642,670,774,775,1167,1168,1169,1598,1600,1601,1602,1745,1746 son of William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND and Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England, was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
General Notes:
Henry I was born in the year 1068---a factor he himself regarded as highly significant, for he was the only son of the Conqueror born after the conquest of England, and to Henry this meant he was heir to the throne. He was not an attractive proposition: he was dissolute to a degree, producing at least a score of bastards; but far worse he was prone to sadistic cruelty---on one occasion, for example, personally punishing a rebellious burgher by throwing him from the walls of his town.
At the death of William the Conqueror, Henry was left no lands, merely 5,000 pounds of silver. With these he bought lands from his elder brother Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, only to see them taken back again a few years later by Robert, in unholy alliance with his brother William Rufus.
Henry could do little to avenge such treatment, but in England he found numerous barons who were tired of the exactions and ambitions of their king. He formed alliances with some of these, notably with the important de Clare family. He and some of the de Clares were with William Rufus on his last hunting expedition, and it is thought that the king's death was the result of Henry's plotting.
Certainly he moved fast to take advantage of it; leaving Rufus's body unattended in the woods, he swooped down on Winchester to take control of the treasury. Two days later he was in Westminster, being crowned by the Bishop of London. His speed is understandable when one realises that his elder brother, Robert [Curthose], was returning from the crusade, and claimed, with good reason, to be the true heir.
Henry showed great good sense in his first actions as King. He arrested Ranulph Flambard, William's tax-gatherer, and recalled Anselm, the exiled Archbishop. Furthermore, he issued a Charter of Liberties which promised speedy redress of grievances, and a return to the good government of the Conqueror. Putting aside for the moment his many mistresses, he married the sister of the King of Scots, who was descended from the royal line of Wessex; and lest the Norman barons should think him too pro-English in this action, he changed her name from Edith to Matilda. No one could claim that he did not aim to please.
In 1101 Robert Curthose invaded, but Henry met him at Alton, and persuaded him to go away again by promising him an annuity of £2,000. He had no intention of keeping up the payments, but the problem was temporarily solved.
He now felt strong enough to move against dissident barons who might give trouble in the future. Chief amongst these was the vicious Robert of Bellême, Earl of Shrewsbury, whom Henry had known for many years as a dangerous troublemaker. He set up a number of charges against him in the king's court, making it plain that if he appeared for trial he would be convicted and imprisoned. Thus Robert and his colleagues were forced into rebellion at a time not of their own choosing, were easily defeated and sent scuttling back to Normandy.
In Normandy Robert Curthose began to wreak his wrath on all connected with his brother, thus giving Henry an excellent chance to retaliate with charges of misgovernment and invade. He made two expeditions in 1104-5, before the great expedition of 1106 on which Robert was defeated at the hour-long battle of Tinchebrai, on the anniversary of Hastings. No one had expected such an easy victory, but Henry took advantage of the state of shock resulting from the battle to annex Normandy. Robert was imprisoned (in some comfort, it be said); he lived on for 28 more years, ending up in Cardiff castle whiling away the long hours learning Welsh. His son William Clito remained a free agent, to plague Henry for most of the rest of his reign.
In England the struggle with Anselm over the homage of bishops ran its course until the settlement of 1107. In matters of secular government life was more simple: Henry had found a brilliant administrator, Roger of Salisbury, to act as Justiciar for him. Roger had an inventive mind, a keen grasp of affairs, and the ability to single out young men of promise. He quickly built up a highly efficient team of administrators, and established new routines and forms of organisation within which they could work. To him we owe the Exchequer and its recording system of the Pipe Rolls, the circuits of royal justiciars spreading the king's peace, and the attempts at codification of law. Henry's good relationships with his barons, and with the burgeoning new towns owed much to skilful administration. Certainly he was able to gain a larger and more reliable revenue this way than by the crude extortion his brother had used.
In 1120 came the tragedy of the White Ship. The court was returning to England, and the finest ship in the land was filled with its young men, including Henry's son and heir William. Riotously drunk, they tried to go faster and faster, when suddenly the ship foundered. All hands except a butcher of Rouen were lost, and England was without an heir.
Henry's benefactions to the Church caused the monkish historians to palliate his sins and to find excuses for his lust; but they could not avert the fatal consequence. When the White Ship was wrecked on the deadly rock, a boat was launched and the King's only legitimate son and heir was being rowed to safety. It was the cries of his illegitimate half-sister, the Countess of Perche, which induced him to return to the wreck, where they sank together. [THE COMPLETE PEERAGE, Volume XI, Appendix D, pp. 105-121]
Henry's only legitimate child was Matilda, but she was married to the Emperor Henry V of Germany, and so could not succeed. But in 1125 her husband died, and Henry brought her home and forced the barons to swear fealty to her---though they did not like the prospect of a woman ruler. Henry then married her to Geoffrey of Anjou, the Normans' traditional enemy, and the barons were less happy---especially when the newly-weds had a terrible row, and Geoffrey ordered her out of his lands. In 1131 Henry, absolutely determined, forced the barons to swear fealty once more, and the fact that they did so is testimoney of his controlling power. Matilda and Geoffrey were reunited, and in 1133 she produced a son whom she named for his grandfather. If only Henry could live on until his grandson was old enough to rule, all would be well.
But in 1135, against doctor's orders, he ate a hearty meal of lampreys, got acute indigestion, which turned into fever, and died. He was buried at his abbey in Reading---some said in a silver coffin, for which there was an unsuccessful search at the Dissolution. [Source: Who's Who in the Middle Ages, John Fines, Barnes & Noble Books, New York, 1995]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1100-1135.
Henry married Sibyl (Adela) (Lucy) CORBET Lady Of Alcester,893,1601,1748 daughter of Robert Fitz CORBET and Unknown, about 1105 in No Marriage 390,630,893.,1747 Sibyl was born about 1092 in Longden, Pontesbury, Shropshire, England 389,390 and died after 1157 in <, Alcester, Warwick, England> 389,390,1747. Another name for Sibyl was Annora or Lucy.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Partners: Abt 1090. 1701,1702,1713,1749
Henry next married Several MISTRESSES 1601,1750 in No Marriage 389,390,1095.,1750 Several was born about 1070 in England & France.
Henry next married Edith FITZFORNE Baroness Of Greystoke 1464,1601 about 1089 in No Marriage 389,390.,1095 Edith was born about 1072 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England,389,390,1753 died in 1152 389,390,773,1753 about age 80, and was buried in Oseney Abbey, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.389,390,1753
Marriage Notes: Mistress of Henry I
_STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Baroness of Greystoke, , Greystoke Manor, Northumberland, England. 390,417
Henry next married Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT,1601,1754,1755 daughter of Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester and Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS, in No Marriage.1754 Isabel was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
Henry next married Edith 1750 in No Marriage.1750 Edith was born about 1070 in England.
Henry next married Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew 1601,1758,1759,1760,1761,1762 about 1098 in No Marriage 389,390,726,1095,1750.,1757 Nest was born about 1073 of Dynevor, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390,1762 and died about 1163 about age 90.
Henry next married Matilda "Atheling" SCOTLAND Queen Of England,1599,1600,1601 daughter of Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND and St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland, on 11 November 1100 in Westminster Abbey, London, England 389,390,726,1600,1750.,1757 Matilda was born in October 1079 in Dunfermline, Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland,389,390,1600 died on 1 May 1118 in Westminster, London, Middlesex, England 389,390,1600 at age 38, and was buried in June 1118 in Church Of St Peter, Westminster, Middlesex, England.389,390
Noted events in her life were:
• Title: Queen of England, 1 December 1135-July 1136, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390
• Title: Princess of Scotland, , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. 390
Henry next married Adeliza (Adela) Of LOUVAIN,1595,1598,1599 daughter of Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant and Ida De Chiny & NAMUR, from 29 January 1120 to 1121 in Windsor Castle, Berkshire, England 1598,1599.,1600 Adeliza was born about 1103 in Brabant, Netherlands,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligem Nunnery, Brabant, Belgium (As A Nun) 1595,1599 about age 48, and was buried in Affligem Abbey, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Adeliza was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Henry next married Adelicia Princess Of BRABANT Queen Of England 1595,1598,1599,1601 from 24 January 1120 to 1121 in , Windsor, Berkshire, England 389,390,1598,1599,1764.,1765 Adelicia was born about 1094 in Of, , Brabant, Netherlands,389,390,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligham, Flanders, France 389,390,1595,1599 about age 57, and was buried on 23 April 1151 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390 Another name for Adelicia was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Queen of England, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,417,1764,1765
• Unknown: Princess of Brabant, <Brabant, Antwerp, Belgium, Netherlands>. 390,417,1765
Henry next married Ansfride De SPARSHALT Concubine 2 about 1086 in <, , , England> 389,390.,1095 Ansfride was born about 1069 in <, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England> 389,390 and was buried in Abington Abbey, Abington, Berkshire, England.389,390
Marriage Notes: _STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
64355117743. Edith 415,670,1750 was born about 1070 in England.
Edith married Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND 1598,1600,1601,1602 in No Marriage.1750 Henry was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
64355117760. Berenguer Ramon II "Fratricide" Count BARCELONA,415,670,2610 son of Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA and Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE, was born about 1053 in Barcelona, Spain,2610 died between 1097 and 1099 in Jerusalem, Palestine (Forced To Leave On Crusade- 2610 about age 44, and was buried after Losing Trial By Combat, Accused Of Killing Brother.).
General Notes:
Ramon Berenguer II, byname RAMON BERENGUER THE TOWHEAD, Catalan RAMON BERENGUER CAP D'ESTOPES (b. c. 1053--d. Dec. 5, 1082, between Barcelona and Gerona, Catalonia), count of Barcelona who reigned jointly with his twin brother, Berenguer Ramon II, from 1076 to 1082.
Following up on the policies of their father, Ramon Berenguer I, they proceeded to build the defenses and repopulate the lands that he had conquered. In 1082, in a forest en route to Gerona, Ramon Berenguer II was murdered, probably by his brother, thereafter nicknamed "the Fratricide" ("el Fratricida"). Berenguer Ramon II, now sole master, took part in the civil wars of the Spanish Muslims and reconquered the Tarragona area (1091). He reigned until 1097, when, having lost a trial by combat that was intended to decide the question of his guilt in the crime attributed to him, he went on crusade to Jerusalem, where he died, probably in either 1097 or 1099. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
Berenguer married Maud (Matilda) De HAUTEVILLE Of Apulia 2247,2618 in 1078 in 1st Husband. Maud was born about 1059 in Apulia, Cala, Italy and died in 1083 about age 24. Another name for Maud was Mahaut D' APULIA.
The child from this marriage was:
64355117761. Maud (Matilda) De HAUTEVILLE Of Apulia,415,670,2247,2618 daughter of Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia and Sigelgaita (Sichelgaite) Princess Of SALERNO, was born about 1059 in Apulia, Cala, Italy and died in 1083 about age 24. Another name for Maud was Mahaut D' APULIA.
Maud married Berenguer Ramon II "Fratricide" Count BARCELONA 2610 in 1078 in 1st Husband. Berenguer was born about 1053 in Barcelona, Spain,2610 died between 1097 and 1099 in Jerusalem, Palestine (Forced To Leave On Crusade- 2610 about age 44, and was buried after Losing Trial By Combat, Accused Of Killing Brother.).
Maud next married Aimery (Almaric) I Vicomte De NARBONNE,2618 son of Bernard I Berenger Vicomte De NARBONNE and Unknown, after 1082 in 2ND Husband. Aimery was born about 1050 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died about 1106 about age 56.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Aimery (Almaric) II Vicomte De NARBONNE was born in 1083 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1134 at age 51.
64355117762. Gerbert Vicomte De CARLAT Comte De Provence,415,670,2163,2619 son of Berenger Vicomte De RODEZ and Adyle (Adele) Vicomtessa De CARLAT, was born about 1060 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France and died in 1110 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France about age 50. Other names for Gerbert were Gilbert Vicomte De GEVAUDIN, and Gilbert Count Of PROVENCE.2482
Gerbert married Gerberge Of ARLES 2482.,2619 Gerberge was born about 1060 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France. Another name for Gerberge was Gerberge Of PROVENCE.
Children from this marriage were:
32177558881 i. Dulce Aldonza Of MILHAUD (born in 1095 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France - died in 1128)
ii. Etiennette (Stephanie) De GEVAUDIN was born about 1098 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died after 1160 2620.
64355117763. Gerberge Of ARLES,415,670,2482,2619 daughter of Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES and Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE, was born about 1060 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France. Another name for Gerberge was Gerberge Of PROVENCE.
Gerberge married Gerbert Vicomte De CARLAT Comte De Provence 2163.,2619 Gerbert was born about 1060 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France and died in 1110 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France about age 50. Other names for Gerbert were Gilbert Vicomte De GEVAUDIN, and Gilbert Count Of PROVENCE.2482
64355117764. Sancho Ramirez (V Of Navarre) King Of ARAGON,415,2399,2621 son of Ramiro I 1St King Of ARAGON and Gerberge De BIGORRE, was born before 1045 in Aragon, Spain 2622 and died on 6 July 1094 in Huesca, Aragon, Spain (Killed During Seige Of Huesca) 2622.
General Notes: Philippa (Matilda or Maud) of Toulouse, b. ca. 1073, divorced 1115/6, d. 28 Nov 1117; m. (1) Sancho Ramiros, King of Aragon; m. (2) 1094, William VII of Poitou (IX of Aquitaine), Count of Poitou, Duke of Aquitaine, b. ca. 22 Oct 1071, d. 10 Feb 1126/7, crusader 1101. [Ancestral Roots]
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The following excerpt from a post to SGM, 6 Mar 2003, by Thierry Stasser in response to my query, dispells the marriage of Philippa & Sancho Ramirez:
From: Thierry Stasser ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Phillipa de Toulouse, granddaughter of Maud de Montgomery & Robert de Mortain
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-06 12:42:53 PST
Contrary to previous assumptions, Philippa had not been married to the king of Aragon Sancho Ramirez (S de VAJAY, Ramire II le Moine, roi d'Aragon et Agnes de poitou dans l'histoire et la légende, in Mélanges offerts à René crozet, 2 vol, Poitiers, 1966, vol 2, p 727-750; R E Harvey, The wives of the first troubadour Duke William IX of Aquitaine, in Journal of Medieval History, vol 19, 1993, p 315). Philippa married William IX of Aquitaine in 1094 (La chronique de Saint Maixent, ed. J Verdon, Paris, 1979, p 170). Sancho Ramirez of Aragon had been married 1st to Elisabeth of Urgell, and then by 1076 to Felicia of Roucy (J de Salarrullana de Dios, Documentos correspondientes al reinado de Sancho ramirez, Saragossa, 1907, vol 1, nr 12, p 25-26: ego Sancius gratia Dei rex et laudo hoc quod donavit regina domna Felicia mea uxor...facta carta in era MCXIIII...; this document is dated of Hispanic era). Queen Felicia was still alive in january 1094 (ibidem, vol I, nr 51, p 204-207: dono ego Sancius gratia Dei Aragonensium rex ...and ego felicia regina...facta carta era MCXXXII...) and died on May 3, 1123 (Necrologio del monasterio de San Victorian, in Espana sagrada, ed. H Florez, vol 46, p 278: V non. maii obiit Felicia regina anno MCXXIII). King sancho ramirez died on June 6 1094. So he cannot have married Philippa of Toulouse
I hope this helps
Thierry
Sancho married Felice Of MONTDIDIER 2156,2399 before 1076 in 2ND Wife.2156 Felice was born about 1055 in Montdidier, Picardy, France and died on 3 May 1123 2156 about age 68.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558882 i. Ramiro II Sanchez "The Monk" King Of ARAGON (born about 1085 in Aragon, Spain - died on 16 August 1154)
Sancho next married Elizabeth Of URGELL 2156 in 1st Wife.2156 Elizabeth was born about 1060 and died before 1076 2156.
64355117765. Felice Of MONTDIDIER,415,670,2156,2399 daughter of Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY, was born about 1055 in Montdidier, Picardy, France and died on 3 May 1123 2156 about age 68.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 24 April 1086. 2399
Felice married Sancho Ramirez (V Of Navarre) King Of ARAGON 2399,2621 before 1076 in 2ND Wife.2156 Sancho was born before 1045 in Aragon, Spain 2622 and died on 6 July 1094 in Huesca, Aragon, Spain (Killed During Seige Of Huesca) 2622.
64355117766. William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine,415,670,2149,2150,2151 son of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY, was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
General Notes: Crusader 1101, "le Troubadour", 1st known singer/poet in the vernacular. [Ancestral Roots]
William married Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne,2004,2152,2153 daughter of Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency, in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1090.2152 Ermangarde was born about 1072 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1147 389,390,2004,2063 about age 75. Another name for Ermangarde was Hermengarde Of BRETAGNE.
William next married Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE 2151,2155,2156 in 1094 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1115/6 2150.,2154 Philippa was born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died on 28 November 1117 2150.
William next married Dangereuse De L'isle BOUCHARD,2157,2158 daughter of Bartholomew De L'isle BOUCHARD and Gerberge, after 1116 in Late Mistress (No Marriage).2157 Dangereuse was born about 1079 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died after 1119. Another name for Dangereuse was Dangereuse MAUBERGEONNE.
64355117767. Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE,415,670,2151,2155,2156 daughter of William IV Count Of TOULOUSE Duke Of Narbonne and Emma De MORTAIGNE, was born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died on 28 November 1117 2150.
General Notes:
Philippa (Matilda or Maud) of Toulouse, b. ca. 1073, divorced 1115/6, d. 28 Nov 1117; m. (1) Sancho Ramiros, King of Aragon; m. (2) 1094, William VII of Poitou (IX of Aquitaine), Count of Poitou, Duke of Aquitaine, b. ca. 22 Oct 1071, d. 10 Feb 1126/7, crusader 1101. [Ancestral Roots]
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The following post to SGM, 6 Mar 2003, by Thierry Stasser in response to my query, dispells the marriage of Philippa & Sancho Ramirez, as well as AR's "ca. 1073" birth date:
From: Thierry Stasser ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Phillipa de Toulouse, granddaughter of Maud de Montgomery & Robert de Mortain
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-06 12:42:53 PST
William IV of Toulouse married Emma, dau of Robert of Mortain, before June 16, 1080 (Histoire Générale de Languedoc, vol V, col 649- 652: ego Guillelmus Tolosanensium...comes et dux...me simul cum uxore mea nomine Emma...facta carta hujus donationis anno millesimo LXXX incarnationis Christi regnante Philippo rege...; and col 652-654: ego guillelmus dei gratia Tolosanorum ..;comes et dux et ego Emma uxor eius... facta carta donationis hujus anno Incarnatione Domini M LXXX regnante Philippo rege Francorum feria II , XVI kalendas julii...). William IV had been previously married to a lady Mantilis, mentioned in 1067 (Ibidem, vol V, col 544: ipse et Mantilis comitissa eius uxor). William IV of Toulouse's second marriage is then dated 1068/1080, but most probably about 1079, as Emma was not born before 1064/1065.
Contrary to previous assumptions, Philippa had not been married to the king of Aragon Sancho Ramirez (S de VAJAY, Ramire II le Moine, roi d'Aragon et Agnes de poitou dans l'histoire et la légende, in Mélanges offerts à René crozet, 2 vol, Poitiers, 1966, vol 2, p 727-750; R E Harvey, The wives of the first troubadour Duke William IX of Aquitaine, in Journal of Medieval History, vol 19, 1993, p 315). Philippa married William IX of Aquitaine in 1094 (La chronique de Saint Maixent, ed. J Verdon, Paris, 1979, p 170). Sancho Ramirez of Aragon had been married 1st to Elisabeth of Urgell, and then by 1076 to Felicia of Roucy (J de Salarrullana de Dios, Documentos correspondientes al reinado de Sancho ramirez, Saragossa, 1907, vol 1, nr 12, p 25-26: ego Sancius gratia Dei rex et laudo hoc quod donavit regina domna Felicia mea uxor...facta carta in era MCXIIII...; this document is dated of Hispanic era). Queen Felicia was still alive in january 1094 (ibidem, vol I, nr 51, p 204-207: dono ego Sancius gratia Dei Aragonensium rex ...and ego felicia regina...facta carta era MCXXXII...) and died on May 3, 1123 (Necrologio del monasterio de San Victorian, in Espana sagrada, ed. H Florez, vol 46, p 278: V non. maii obiit Felicia regina anno MCXXIII). King sancho ramirez died on June 6 1094. So he cannot have married Philippa of Toulouse
I hope this helps
Thierry
dans l'article [email protected], Jim Weber à
[email protected] a écrit le 5/03/03 17:52 :
I ran into a problem with a date given by AR for the approximate birth year of
Philippa de Toulouse, as it relates with the marriage dates given for her
parents and grandparents by CP. I find that all of the dates involved are
questionable and could use the newsgroup's expertise in determining the better
dates.
According to Weis' Ancestral Roots (AR), line 185-3, Phillipa (Maud or
Matilda), daughter of William IV de Toulouse and Emma de Mortain, m. (1)
Sancho Ramirez King of Aragon; (2) in 1094, William VII of Poitou &
Aquitaine. The birth year "ca. 1073" given by AR for Philippa does not fit
with the marriage date given by CP for Emma's parents Robert de Mortain & Maud
de Montgomery. CP III:428 (Cornwall) states that Robert & Maud m. "bef
1066". Nor does the 1073 date fit with marriage date given by CP for the
parents of Maud de Montgomery: CP XI:686 (Shrewsbury) states that Roger II de
Montgomery and Mabel, daughter of William Talvas d'Alencon, were
married "between 1050 and 1054". For the latter marriage date, CP refers to
White, "The First House of Belleme" in Trans. R. Hist. Soc., 4th Ser., vol
xxii, pp. 67-99.
The above dates lead to:
1. Roger II de Montgomery m. bet. 1050-1054, Mabel de Talvas d'Alencon.
2. Maud de Montgomery, b. 1050/4, m. bef. 1066, Robert de Mortain.
3. Emma de Mortain, b. c. 1066, m. William IV of Toulouse.
4. Philippa (Maud or Matilda) de Toulouse, b. c. 1073 (Ouch)
In the article on Hugh de Montgomery, son of Roger II & Mabel, CP XI:688
note "b" states that "According to a Welsh annalist, he [Hugh] was fighting in
Wales in 1072 (Annales Cambriae, Rolls Ser., p. 26); but this seems impossibly
early." I think that this implies that the birth of Hugh may have been
earlier than CP XI:688's "between 1053 and 1059", and that the marriage date
of Hugh's parents may have been earlier as well.
As I stated above I think that both the birth date and the two marriage dates
are off. But I would appreciate any other sources that the newsgroup could
use to determine what the appropriate dates might be.
Jim Weber
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The following e-mail from Peter Stewart, based on the above post to SGM, adds more info:
Jim,
In the article I mentioned Ruth Harvey discusses the evidence for when Philippa died, but not for the date of her birth.
Here are some bits of information from other sources that may be useful:
The alleged marriage of Philippa to Sancho Ramirez of Aragon is false - there's no room for it chronologically, since he was married in 1076 to Felicia de Roucy, who survived him & was not divorced. I suspect this misunderstanding came about from the relationships of Sancho's granddaughter Petronilla, queen of Aragon, whose father was Sancho's son Ramiro II, while her mother Agnes of Poitou was most likely Philippa's daughter.
Philippa was definitely the daughter of her father's second wife, Emma de Mortain - there is a charter of hers in _Histoire général de Languedoc_, vol V p 845: "Ego Philippa, Emae filia", leaving no doubt on this point.
Emma had been married to Guilhem IV, count of Toulouse before 16 June 1080 when she appeared in two of his charters: "uxore mea nomine Emma", _HGL_ vol V p 649, and another of the same date on p 652.
Philippa's marriage to Guilhem is firmly dated to 1094, according to the chronicle of Saint-Maixent: "Anno MXCIIII...Guillelmus duxit uxorem Philippam nomine, filiam Willelmi comitis Tholosani". She may have been already of child-bearing age. Her eldest son was not born until 1099, but it's recorded that she had daughters too and we don't know if one or more of them might have been born before him.
Regards
Peter
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1073. 2150
Philippa married William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine 2149,2150,2151 in 1094 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1115/6 2150.,2154 William was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
64355117768. William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY,415,670,1670,1984 son of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.
William married Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY 1987,1988,1989 before 1060. Stephanie was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.
64355117769. Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY,415,670,1987,1988,1989 daughter of Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine and Clemence De FOIX, was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.
General Notes: Despite many sources that indicate this pedigree including Stephanie/Etienette's mother and father, her mother did not exist, and her father may not have married or had children. Clemence de Foix was "calculated to have existed" based on certain evidence which proved false. Some people think that Stephanie/Etienette was Ettienette, daughter of one of the Ramon Berenger, Counts of Barcelona. I am leaving the pedigree in place for these three people until more information is available.
Leo van de Pas, citing ES, still has Stephanie de Longwy, daughter of Adalbert (by unknown wife), as wife of William.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1088. 1988
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1092. 1989
Stephanie married William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY 1670,1984 before 1060. William was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.
64355117770. Alfonso VI "The Brave" King Of Leon & CASTILE,415,670,2241,2623 son of Ferdinand I "The Great" King Of Leon & CASTILE and Sancha Princess Of LEON, was born before June 1040 in Burgos, Castile, Spain 2624 and died on 29 June 1109 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2624. Another name for Alfonso was Alfonso VI "The Brave" King Of LEON & Castile.
General Notes:
Alfonso VI, byname ALFONSO THE BRAVE, Spanish ALFONSO EL BRAVO (b. before June 1040--d. 1109, Toledo, Castile), king of Leon (1065-70) and king of reunited Castile and Leon (1072-1109), who by 1077 had proclaimed himself "emperor of all Spain" (imperator totius Hispaniae). His oppression of his Muslim vassals led to the invasion of Spain by an Almoravid army from North Africa (1086). His name is also associated with the national hero of Spain, Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar (El Cid), who was alternatively his enemy and indifferent supporter.
Alfonso was the second son of King Ferdinand I and his wife Sancha; he was educated by Raimundo, later the bishop of Palencia, and by Pedro Ansúrez, the count of Carrión. On his death in 1065, Ferdinand left to Alfonso the kingdom of Leon together with tribute paid by the Muslim kingdom of Toledo. These possessions aroused the envious hostility of Alfonso's elder brother, Sancho II, who had inherited the kingdom of Castile and the tribute of Saragossa. Alfonso was defeated by his brother in two battles; after the defeat at Llantada (1068) he managed to retain his kingdom, but after that at Golpejera (1072) he was captured and exiled, living for a short while at the court of his vassal Ma
mun, the Muslim king of Toledo. Soon Alfonso's sister Urraca stirred up a rebellion in Leon, and Sancho besieged her in the walled city of Zamora. During the siege, he was killed, perhaps at Urraca's instigation. She was clearly on Alfonso's side, and some modern historians have even suggested that they had an incestuous relationship.
With Sancho's death, Alfonso recovered his own kingdom of Leon and inherited (1072) that of Castile. He also occupied Galicia, which Sancho had kept from their younger brother García; Alfonso kept García in prison until his death. A late story, in which it is alleged that Alfonso took an oath in St. Gadea's Church, Burgos, that he had had no share in Sancho's murder, probably reflects Castilian reluctance to accept him as king.
Alfonso's reign now entered on a period of success. He seized the Rioja and the Basque provinces and received the feudal homage of Sancho Ramírez for the region of Navarre to the north of the Ebro River. By 1077 he had assumed the title imperator totius Hispaniae, in which role other Christian kings accepted him. He then began the conquest of Toledo and, after a long siege, occupied it in May 1085. This was a vital conquest, which recovered for Christian Spain one of the most important historical, strategic, and cultural centres of the peninsula, one that had been in the possession of the Muslims since the early 8th century.
During this period Alfonso regularly exacted parias, heavy financial tributes, from the Muslim ta
ifah kingdoms in return for protection against their other enemies. By thus depriving them of their wealth, he hoped to weaken them so that they would eventually cede their independence without fighting. As a result of his exactions, Christian Spain was flooded with Muslim gold, which was spent on warfare and donations to shrines, churches, and monasteries. The demand for tribute caused the ta
ifah kings to tax their subjects heavily, producing popular discontent and disturbances and contributing to the weakness that caused the surrender of Toledo. The Muslim ruler al-Mu'tamid of Seville took a desperate decision and called for the help of Yusuf ibn Tashufin, the Almoravid (Berber) amir of North Africa, and his Saharan tribes. The Amir disembarked in Algeciras at the end of July 1086 and a few months later, on October 23 at Zallaqah, near Badajoz, inflicted a terrible defeat on Alfonso VI. Alfonso appealed for help to the rest of Christendom, and a small crusade was organized as a result; the crusaders did not reach Alfonso's lands but wasted their energies and resources in an unsuccessful siege of the Muslim outpost of Tudela.
The defeat at Zallaqah seriously lessened Alfonso's influence over the ta
ifah kingdoms. It also led to a reconciliation with Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, El Cid. Their relationship had been difficult from the start, because El Cid had taken a prominent part in the campaigns of Sancho against Alfonso; although El Cid at first attended Alfonso's court, suspicions deepened, and since 1081 he had been in the service of the Muslim king of Saragossa. Alfonso entrusted El Cid with the occupation and defense of eastern Spain, and Rodrigo carried out this task with great success. Between 1086 and 1109 Alfonso suffered constant defeat by the Almoravids; in the last battle, that of Uclés in 1108, he lost his only son, Sancho. It was characteristic of his indomitable spirit that he at once arranged for his daughter, Urraca, to marry Alfonso I of Aragon so that the war against the Almoravids should be continued after his death, even though it meant that Leon and Castile would be ruled by an Aragonese prince.
Though his reign was politically unsuccessful, Alfonso VI carried out an important cultural task by Europeanizing his dominions. Alfonso married Constance of Burgundy, and influences from across the Pyrenees showed themselves in the introduction of the Romanesque style in art, the adoption of the Roman instead of the Mozarabic liturgy, the replacement of Visigothic by Carolingian script, and the energetic support that Alfonso gave to Cluniac monasticism, as well as in his reconstruction and safeguarding of the pilgrim road to Santiago. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97, ALPHONSO VI]
Alfonso married Bertha Of BURGUNDY,2070 daughter of William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY and Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY, after 1093 in 3rd Wife.2070 Bertha was born about 1062 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died before 1096 in (Dsp).
Alfonso next married Agnes De POITOU,2070 daughter of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Matilda De LA MARCHE, in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced.2070 Agnes was born before 1068 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died before 1092.
Alfonso next married Ximena Nunez De GUZMAN 1983 in 1069 in No Marriage.1983 Ximena was born in 1048 in Leon, Spain and died in 1128 at age 80.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Theresa Alfonso Of CASTILE was born in 1070 in Toledo, Castile, Spain and died on 1 November 1130 at age 60.
ii. Elvira Princess Of CASTILE was born about 1075 in Burgos, Castile, Spain and died after 1107.
Alfonso next married Constance Of BURGUNDY 2241 on 1 May 1081 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France. Constance was born about 1046 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France and died from about January 1092 to 1093 2241 about age 46.
The child from this marriage was:
Alfonso next married Zaida (Isabel) Princess Of DENIA about 1096 in 4th Wife. Zaida was born about 1071 in Denia, Alicante, Spain and died in 1106 in Spain about age 35. Another name for Zaida was Zaida (Isabella) Al-Mu'tamid Of SEVILLE.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Sancha ALFONSO was born about 1096 in Spain and died in 1135 about age 39.
ii. Elvira Alfonsez Princess De Leon & CASTILE was born about 1097 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2625 and died from 6 February 1135 to 1136 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy 2625,2626 about age 38. Another name for Elvira was Elvira (Alberic) Princess De LEON & Castile.
64355117771. Constance Of BURGUNDY,415,670,2241 daughter of Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY and Helie (Ella) De SEMUR, was born about 1046 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France and died from about January 1092 to 1093 2241 about age 46.
Constance married Alfonso VI "The Brave" King Of Leon & CASTILE 2241,2623 on 1 May 1081 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France. Alfonso was born before June 1040 in Burgos, Castile, Spain 2624 and died on 29 June 1109 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2624. Another name for Alfonso was Alfonso VI "The Brave" King Of LEON & Castile.
64355117772. Boleslas III "The Crooked" King Of POLAND,415,670,2627 son of Vladislas Herman I King Of POLAND and Judith Of BOHEMIA, was born on 20 August 1085 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 28 October 1138 2627 at age 53. Another name for Boleslas was King Boleslaus the Wrymouthed POLAND.
General Notes:
ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA, Vol. 18, p. 807
BOLESLAW III (1086 - 1138), called the Wry-Mouthed, prince of Poland, the son of Wladyslaw I Herman and Judith of Bavaria, succeeded his father in 1102. His early years were troubled continually by the rivalry of his natural half-brother Zhigniew, who, till he was imprisoned and blinded, involved Boleslaw in contests with Bohemia and the Emperor Henry V. The first of the German wars began in 1109, when Henry, materially assisted by the Czechs, invaded Silesia. Th Poles avoided an encounter in the open field, but harried the Germans so successfully and defended Glogau so stoutly that the emperor withdrew leaving the plain covered with corpses. The chief political result of this great disaster was the complete independence of Poland for the next quarter of a century. It was during this respite that Boleslaw devoted himself to the main business of his life - the subjugation of Pomerania with the view of gaining access to the sea. The struggle began in 1109, when Boleslaw inflicted a terrible defeat on the Slavonic but still pagan Pomeranians at Naklo which compelled their temporary submission. In 1120-24 the rebellion of the vassal Prince Warcislaw of Szczecin again brought Boleslaw into the country, but the resistance was as stout as ever, and only after 18,000 of his followers had fallen and 8,000 more had been expatriated did Warcislaw submit to his conqueror. The obstinacy of the resistance convinced Boleslaw that Pomerania must be Christianized before it could be completely subdued; and this important work was partially accomplished by St. Otto, bishop of Bamberg, an old friend of Boleslaw' father, who knew the Slavonic languages. In his later years Boleslaw waged an unsuccessful war with Hungary and Bohemia. He died in 1138, leaving four sons, between whom the kingdom was divided, the eldest son having overlordship of the whole.
Boleslas married Zbyslava Of KIEV 2627 about 1103 in 1st Wife.2627 Zbyslava was born in 1086 in Kiev, Ukraine and died in 1113 2627 at age 27.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558886 i. Vladislas II King Of POLAND (born in 1105 in Krakaow, Poland - died on 30 May 1159)
Boleslas next married Salome Countess De BERG-SCHELKLINGEN, daughter of Heinrich Count Of BERG-SCHELKLINGEN and Unknown, after 1113 in 2ND Wife. Salome was born about 1099 in Schelkingen, Donaukreis, Wurttemberg and died on 27 July 1144 about age 45.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Boleslaw IV Kedzierawy "The Curly" POLAND was born in 1125 in Krakaow, Poland 2406 and died in 1173 2406 at age 48. Another name for Boleslaw was King Boleslaus"The Curly" POLAND.
ii. Richiza (Rikissa) Princess Of POLAND was born on 12 April 1116 in Krakaow, Poland and died after 25 December 1155.
iii. Mieszko III "The Great" King Of POLAND was born about 1126 in Krakaow, Poland and died from 13 March 1201 to 1202 about age 75. Other names for Mieszko were King Mieszko "The Old" POLAND, and King Mieszko III Stary "The Old" POLAND.2406
iv. Judyta Princess Of POLAND was born in 1132 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 8 July 1175 at age 43.
v. Agnieszka Princess Of POLAND was born in 1134 in Krakaow, Poland and died in 1181 at age 47.
vi. Kazimierez II Duke Of SANDOMIERZ was born in 1138 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 5 May 1194 at age 56. Another name for Kazimierez was Casimir II Sprawiedliwy "The Just" POLAND.
64355117773. Zbyslava Of KIEV,415,670,2627 daughter of Sviatapolk II Grand Duke Of KIEV and Unknown, was born in 1086 in Kiev, Ukraine and died in 1113 2627 at age 27.
Zbyslava married Boleslas III "The Crooked" King Of POLAND 2627 about 1103 in 1st Wife.2627 Boleslas was born on 20 August 1085 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 28 October 1138 2627 at age 53. Another name for Boleslas was King Boleslaus the Wrymouthed POLAND.
64355117774. Leopold III "Saint" Margrave Of AUSTRIA Duke Of Austria,415,1984,1994,2628 son of Leopold II "The Fair" Margrave Of AUSTRIA and Ida Von CHAM, was born about 1075 in Klosterneuberg, Niederostereich, Austria 1994 and died on 15 November 1136 in Abbey, Klosterneuberg, Niederostereich, Austria 1994 about age 61. Another name for Leopold was Leopold III Von BABENBERG Margrave Of Austria.
General Notes:
Saint Leopold, c.1073–1136, margrave of Austria (1095–1136). By his marriage (1106) with Agnes, widow of Duke Frederick I of Swabia, he became the stepfather of German King Conrad III and the father of Otto of Freising and of Duke Henry II of Austria.
He helped arrange the Concordat of Worms (1122), which ended the conflict over investiture. In 1125 he refused an offer of the imperial crown. The founder of numerous monasteries (of which Heiligenkreuz, Klosterneuburg, and Mariazell still exist), Leopold was canonized in 1485 and is the patron saint of Austria. Feast: Nov. 15.
Leopold married Crusader Agnes, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE 2628,2629 in 1106 in Klosterneuburg, Niederoesterrich, Austria 1994.,2628 Agnes, was born in 1074 in Klosterneuburg, Niederoesterrich, Austria 1994,2630 and died on 24 September 1143 1447,2628,2631 at age 69. Other names for Agnes, were Agnes Von FRANCONIA, Agnes Of FRANKEN, Agnes Of GERMANY, Agnes Of SAXONY, and Agnes Of WAIBLINGEN.
Children from this marriage were:
32177558887 i. Agnes Margravine Of AUSTRIA (born about 1111 in Vienna, Austria - died on 25 January 1156-1157)
ii. Judith Von Babenberg Of AUSTRIA was born about 1115 in Klosterneuburg, Nisderaosterrreich, Austria 1994 and died after 1178 1994. Another name for Judith was Judith Von BABENBERG Of Austria.
iii. Gertrude Of AUSTRIA was born from 23 February 1118 to 1119 in Kloster Neuburg, Niederoesterreic, Austria and died on 4 August 1150 at age 32.
64355117775. Crusader Agnes, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,1444,2628,2629,2632 daughter of Henry IV Of Germany, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Bertha Margravine Of TURIN, was born in 1074 in Klosterneuburg, Niederoesterrich, Austria 1994,2630 and died on 24 September 1143 1447,2628,2631 at age 69. Other names for Agnes, were Agnes Von FRANCONIA, Agnes Of FRANKEN, Agnes Of GERMANY, Agnes Of SAXONY, and Agnes Of WAIBLINGEN.
General Notes:
Daughter and heiress of Emperor Heinrich IV (1050-56-1106). Her husband, Friedrich I Graf Hohenstaufen became Duke of Franken and Schwaben and was succeeded by their son, Friedrich II. Agnes' second husband was Leopold III, Margrave of Austria who died 1136. Agnes lived (1074-1143). 1741
Agnes, married Leopold III "Saint" Margrave Of AUSTRIA Duke Of Austria 1984,1994,2628 in 1106 in Klosterneuburg, Niederoesterrich, Austria 1994.,2628 Leopold was born about 1075 in Klosterneuberg, Niederostereich, Austria 1994 and died on 15 November 1136 in Abbey, Klosterneuberg, Niederostereich, Austria 1994 about age 61. Another name for Leopold was Leopold III Von BABENBERG Margrave Of Austria.
Agnes, next married Frederick I HOHENSTAUFFEN Duke Alsace& Swabia 1946,2628 in 1080.2628 Frederick was born about 1050 in Hohenstauffen, Swabia, Germany and died from 20 January 1104 to 1105 2628 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Duke Of SWABIA.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Richilde Von HOHENSTAUFFEN was born about 1088 in Hohenstauffen, Swabia, Germany. Other names for Richilde were Richilde De SOUABE, and1946 Richilde Of SWABIA.
ii. Frederick II Von HOHENSTAUFFEN Duke Of Swabia was born in 1090 in Hohenstauffen, Swabia, Bavaria 2405 and died on 6 April 1147 2405 at age 57. Another name for Frederick was Frederick II Duke Of SWABIA.
iii. Emperor Conrad III Von Hohenstauffen HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born in 1093 in Hohenstauffen, Swabia, Germany 2633 and died from 15 February 1151 to 1152 in Bamburg, Germany 2633 at age 58. Another name for Conrad was Conrad III Von HOHENSTAUFFEN Hre.
64355117776. Rostaign III Comte De SABRAN,415 son of Guillaume I Comte De SABRAN and Adalaicia, was born about 1090 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in November 1184 about age 94.
Rostaign married Constance AMIC. Constance was born about 1090 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died in 1136 about age 46.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558888 i. Guillaume II Comte De SABRAN (born about 1110 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France - died about 1199)
64355117777. Constance AMIC,415 daughter of Giraud AMIC Seigneur De Vedene and Ayelmna, was born about 1090 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died in 1136 about age 46.
Constance married Rostaign III Comte De SABRAN. Rostaign was born about 1090 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in November 1184 about age 94.
64355117780. Raymond II DECAEN Seigneur D'uzes & Posquieres,415,2173 son of Raymond I DECAEN Doyen D'avignon and Miss De POSQUIERES, was born about 1075 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2173 and died in August 1138 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 about age 63.
Raymond married Marie D' UZES.2173 Marie was born about 1085 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France.2173
The child from this marriage was:
64355117781. Marie D' UZES,415,2173 daughter of Elzear I Seigneur D' UZES and Unknown, was born about 1085 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France.2173
Marie married Raymond II DECAEN Seigneur D'uzes & Posquieres.2173 Raymond was born about 1075 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2173 and died in August 1138 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 about age 63.
64355117782. Bremond D' UZES 415 was born about 1085 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France.
General Notes: Gary Lewis, from whom I got Bremond as father of Beatrix, has Bremond as son of Raymond of Avignon, which would make him uncle of Rainon I Decaen, Seigneur du Caylar, husband of Beatrix. This would not be allowed. Gary Lewis seems to more or less have the ancestry for Beatrix match the ancestry which I have from SGM fro Rainon.
Bremond married Rose. Rose was born about 1088 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558891 i. Beatrix Du CAYLAR (born about 1115 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France - died in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France)
64355117783. Rose 415 was born about 1088 in France.
Rose married Bremond D' UZES. Bremond was born about 1085 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France.
64355117784. Guillaume Count Of FORCALQUIER,415,1541,2176 son of Armengol (Ermengaud) IV Count Of URGEL and Adelaide Countess Of FORCALQUIER, was born in 1078 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in October 1129 1541 at age 51.
Guillaume married Gersende D' ALBON 1541.,2176 Gersende was born about 1093 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558892 i. Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER (born about 1109 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died in 1149)
64355117785. Gersende D' ALBON,415,670,1541,2176 daughter of Guigues III Comte D' ALBON and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 1093 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.
Gersende married Guillaume Count Of FORCALQUIER 1541.,2176 Guillaume was born in 1078 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in October 1129 1541 at age 51.
64355117786. Arnaud De FLOTTE,415,1541 son of Henri De FLOTTE and Unknown, was born in 1075 in Ravel, France.
Arnaud married Adelaise De COMPS. Adelaise was born about 1080 in Dauphine, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558893 i. Josceranne De FLOTTE (born about 1110 in Flotte, Charente-Maritime, France)
64355117787. Adelaise De COMPS 415 was born about 1080 in Dauphine, France.
Adelaise married Arnaud De FLOTTE.1541 Arnaud was born in 1075 in Ravel, France.
64355117788. Bernard-Aton TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Carcassonne,415,2408 son of Raymond-Bernard II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Ermengarde De CARCASSONNE, was born after 1066 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1129 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408.
General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, 23 Nov 2001, by Nathaniel Taylor.
8. Bernard Ato I (& IV), d. 1129/30, vc Carcassonne, Rasès, Béziers, Agde, Albi, & Nimes, ? Cecilia de Fourcalquier
.... (ES 3:132); issue:
.... Bernard Ato V, d. ca. 1159, vc Nimes & Agde, ? Guillerma of Montpellier;
........ issue of BA V & Guillerma: Bernard Ato VI, vc Agde & Nimes (ceded to Simon de Montfort, 1214).
.... Roger IV, dsp. 1150, vc Carcassone, Rasès, Béziers & Albi; ? (1) Adelaida de Ponç; ? (2) Bernarda of Comminges
.... Pagana
.... Matalina, ? (1) Guilhem Arnau de Béziers, sr. de Tesan; ? (2) Bertrand I de la Tour d¹Auvergne
.... Raimond Trencavel I, d. testate, 1167, vc Carcassonne, Rasès, Béziers, Agde & Albi, who follows.
.... Lagina
.... Ermessenda, ? Rostaing II d¹Uzès, baron de Pasquieres
.... Ermengarda, d. 1156, ? Gausfred II, c Roussillon (ES 3:138)
.... Mabilia, ? Centulle II of Béarn, c Bigorre
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The following is a post to SGM, 16 Nov 1999, by Olivier Auffray (the 1082 date implies he may be born bef. 1166):
From: olivier.auffray ([email protected])
Subject: Re: de CARCASSONNE
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/11/16
In 1082, the Vicomte of Albi, Nîmes and Béziers proclame himself Vicomte of Carcassonne. This is Bernard Aton said "Trencavel" (from Occitan trenca beou = trance bien : "cut well"). Although relative through his mother to the ancient dynasty, which died off without leaving a direct descendant. Trencavel is not the legitimate heir, but the house of Barcelone, who bought the rights of successin, can do nothing. Bernard Aton imposed himself and create the Trencavel Dynasty, which ruled over Car cassonne for nearly a century. The Vicomte of Carcassonne was definitively attached to the crown of France in October 1247 after the "Cathare" crusade.
The Trencavels had descendants in Languedoc around Beziers and Nîmes.
Bernard-Aton married Cecilia De PROVENCE 2408 in 1083. Cecilia was born about 1070 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1150 about age 80. Another name for Cecilia was Cecilia De FORCALQUIER.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Matalina (Mantilne\Metheline) TRENCAVEL was born about 1090 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.
64355117789. Cecilia De PROVENCE,415,2408 daughter of Bertrand II Count Of ARLES and Mathilde (Mahaut), was born about 1070 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1150 about age 80. Another name for Cecilia was Cecilia De FORCALQUIER.
Cecilia married Bernard-Aton TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Carcassonne 2408 in 1083. Bernard-Aton was born after 1066 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1129 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408.
64355117796. Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON,415,2176,2634 son of Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion and Adelaide De BEAUJEU, was born about 1025 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died between 1076 and 1079 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 about age 51. Another name for Guigues was Guigues VII Sire De VION.
General Notes: Leo van de Pas, citing ES, has Guigues I & II as the same person with two wives (Leo doesn't have Petronell de Annonay as a wife). Todd Farmerie has them separate, the way that I have them in my files.
Guigues married Petronell De ANNONAY 2176 on 27 April 1050 in 1st Wife.2176 Petronell was born about 1025 in Annonay, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died before 1070 2176. Another name for Petronell was Adelais Of TURIN.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558898 i. Guigues III Comte D' ALBON (born between 1050 and 1060 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 21 December 1125)
Guigues next married Agnes (Inez) Of BARCELONA,2176,2609 daughter of Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA and Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE, on 10 May 1070 in 2ND Wife 2176.,2609 Agnes was born about 1052 in Barcelona, Spain and died after 1094 2609.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Guigues Raymond Comte De FOREZ was born about 1071 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1095 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France. Another name for Guigues was Guigues Dit Raimond D' ALBON.
64355117797. Petronell De ANNONAY,415,2176 daughter of Artaud Seigneur De ANNONAY and Petronell Of GRENOBLE, was born about 1025 in Annonay, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died before 1070 2176. Another name for Petronell was Adelais Of TURIN.
Petronell married Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON 2176,2634 on 27 April 1050 in 1st Wife.2176 Guigues was born about 1025 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died between 1076 and 1079 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 about age 51. Another name for Guigues was Guigues VII Sire De VION.
64355117798. Roger I De Hauteville Count Of SICILY,415,2176,2626 son of Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir and Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY, was born about 1035 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died on 22 June 1101 in Mileto, Calabria, Italy 2626 about age 66. Another name for Roger was Roger I De HAUTEVILLE Count Of Sicily.
General Notes: The following information was copied from J.K. Loren, World Connect db=lorenfamily:
Roger I (circa 1031-1101), Norman conqueror of Sicily. Born in Normandy (Normandie), Roger joined his elder brother Robert Guiscard in southern Italy (1057), helping him to win control of that region from the Byzantines. In 1061 he and Robert captured the Sicilian town of Messina from its Muslim rulers, and over the next three decades Roger gradually extended Norman power at the expense of the various Muslim states on the island, completing conquest of Sicily in 1091. While Robert was alive, the brothers shared control of both Sicily and the Italian mainland; after his death in 1085, Roger made himself ruler of Sicily, leaving the other Norman domains to Robert's son, Roger of Apulia. He adopted the title of count and was made papal legate in Sicily by Pope Urban II in 1098. Roger introduced Catholicism into Sicily but was tolerant of his Muslim and Greek Orthodox subjects. His son, Roger II, founded the kingdom of Sicily.
["Roger I," Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 99. © 1993-1998 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved]
Roger married Judith Daughter Of William D' EVREUX on 1 November 1061 in 1st Wife. Judith was born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1076 about age 36.
Roger next married Erembourge (Eremberga) De MORTAIN 2635 about 1077 in 2ND Wife. Erembourge was born about 1050 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1087 about age 37.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558899 i. Matilda Of SICILY (born about 1077 in Sicily, Italy - died after 1130)
Roger next married Adelaide Of SAVONA Regent Of Sicily 2626,2635 after 1090 in 3rd Wife. Adelaide was born about 1070 in Savona, Genoa, Italy and died in 1116 in Sicily 2626 about age 46.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 16 April 1118.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Roger II "The Great" Hauteville King Of SICILY was born on 22 December 1095 in Paglia, Apulia, Italy 2636 and died from 26 February 1153 to 1154 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy 2626,2637 at age 57. Another name for Roger was Roger II De HAUTEVILLE King Of Sicily.
64355117799. Erembourge (Eremberga) De MORTAIN,415,2635 daughter of Robert Count D' EU and Beatrice FULBERT, was born about 1050 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1087 about age 37.
Erembourge married Roger I De Hauteville Count Of SICILY 2176,2626 about 1077 in 2ND Wife. Roger was born about 1035 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died on 22 June 1101 in Mileto, Calabria, Italy 2626 about age 66. Another name for Roger was Roger I De HAUTEVILLE Count Of Sicily.
64355117800. Stephen (Etienne) "Tete Hardi" Comte De MACON,415,670,1986,1990,2638 son of William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY and Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY, was born about 1050 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 27 May 1102 in Ascalon, Palestine (Murdered) 1986,1990 about age 52. Another name for Stephen was Etienne (Stephen) Comte De VIENNE.
Stephen married Beatrice De LORRAINE 2638 in 1090.1990 Beatrice was born about 1058 in Lorraine, France and died after 1112 1986.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Raynald III Comte De MACON Comte De Burgundy was born about 1090 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 19 January 1147 to 1148 2639 about age 57. Another name for Raynald was Renaud III Count De MACON.
iii. Marguerite Clemence De MACON was born before 1103 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy and died from before 8 February 1163 to 1164 in Abbey Of Ayes, France 2640.
64355117801. Beatrice De LORRAINE,415,2638 daughter of Gerhard IV Duke Of Alsace Upper LORRAINE and Hadwide De NAMUR, was born about 1058 in Lorraine, France and died after 1112 1986.
Beatrice married Stephen (Etienne) "Tete Hardi" Comte De MACON 1986,1990,2638 in 1090.1990 Stephen was born about 1050 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 27 May 1102 in Ascalon, Palestine (Murdered) 1986,1990 about age 52. Another name for Stephen was Etienne (Stephen) Comte De VIENNE.
64355117802. Thibault (Theobald) Seigneur De TRAVES 415,2641 was born in 1064 in Traves, Haute Saone, Franche-Comte, France.
Thibault married Alice.2641 Alice was born about 1065 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558901 i. Poncia (Ponce\Poncette) De TRAVES (born about 1090 in Traves, Haute Saone, Franche-Comte, France - died after 1155)
64355117803. Alice 415,2641 was born about 1065 in France.
Alice married Thibault (Theobald) Seigneur De TRAVES.2641 Thibault was born in 1064 in Traves, Haute Saone, Franche-Comte, France.
64355117804. Humbert III Seigneur De SALINS,415 son of Gautier II Seigneur De SALINS and Beatrix, was born about 1065 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.
Humbert married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558902 i. Gautier III (Gaucher) Seigneur De SALINS (born about 1100 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France)
64355117808. Gerald II Count Of GENEVA,415,1849,1850,2642 son of Gerald I Count Of GENEVA and Gisele, was born about 1035 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died in 1080 1849,2642 about age 45.
General Notes: Gerald I of Geneva, d. 1061/80, Count of Geneva, bef. 1034; m. (1) Gisele, dead in 1060; m. (2) Thietburga, widow of Louis of Faucigny. [Ancestral Roots]
Note: I am following Turton in have two different Geralds: Gerald I, d. 1061, m. Gisele; and Gerald II, d. 1080, m. Thietburga/Tetberge, widow of Louis of Faucigny. (Louis died 1060). Turton has Thietburga/Tetberge's marriages in the reverse order; but I am following AR on that point.
Gerald married Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY 1850,2642,2643,2644 after 1060 in 2ND Husband 1849.,2642 Thietburga was born about 1035 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558904 i. Aimon I Count Of GENEVA (born about 1070 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died before 1128)
64355117809. Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY,415,1850,2642,2643,2644 daughter of Amadeus I De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY and Adelaide (Alix) D' ALBON, was born about 1035 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.
General Notes: Turton has the order of Thietburga/Tetburge's husbands in the reverse of AR.
AR does not identify Thietburga's ancestry.
Turton & Michel Dourneau have Thietburga named "T(h)etberge of Rheinfelden", daughter of Rudolf von Rheinfelden (he calls him "Rudolph of Germany"), but others, including Ed Mann in soc.genealogy.medieval, have her as "of Savoy". Switching the marriages produces a younger Tetberge, who may have had different parents than Turton identified. Rudolf von Rheinfelden is elsewhere in my files. @@check ancestry
Thietburga married Gerald II Count Of GENEVA 1849,1850,2642 after 1060 in 2ND Husband 1849.,2642 Gerald was born about 1035 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died in 1080 1849,2642 about age 45.
Thietburga next married Louis I Count Of FAUCIGNY,2642,2643 son of Aimeraud Count Of FAUCIGNY and Ailgert Or Aalgut, in 1st Husband 2642.,2645 Louis was born about 1030 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1060 2643 about age 30.
The child from this marriage was:
i. William "The White" Count Of FAUCIGNY was born about 1053 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1124 1850 about age 71.
64355117810. Peter (Pierre) Count Of GLANE 415,1850,2417 was born about 1045 in Villars-Sur-Glane, Fribourg, Switzerland.1850
Peter married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558905 i. Ida Of GLANE (born about 1075 in Villars-Sur-Glane, Fribourg, Switzerland)
64355117812. Pons I Seigneur De CUISEAUX,415,1849 son of Renaud Seigneur De CUISEAUX and Unknown, was born about 1066 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.
Pons married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558906 i. Pons II (Hugues) Seigneur De CUISEAUX (born about 1080 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)
64355117816. William "The White" Count Of FAUCIGNY,415,1850 son of Louis I Count Of FAUCIGNY and Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY, was born about 1053 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1124 1850 about age 71.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1119.
William married Letice (Letitia).1850 Letice was born about 1070 in France 1850 and died in 1119 1850 about age 49.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558908 i. Rodolphe (Rudolph) Count Of FAUCIGNY (born about 1095 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in 1131)
64355117817. Letice (Letitia) 415,1850 was born about 1070 in France 1850 and died in 1119 1850 about age 49.
Letice married William "The White" Count Of FAUCIGNY.1850 William was born about 1053 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1124 1850 about age 71.
64355117818. Geoffroy Seigneur De BEAUVOIR 415,1850 was born about 1070 in Beauvoir, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.1850
Geoffroy married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177558909 i. Constance De BEAUVOIR (born about 1100 in Beauvoir, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France)
64355119104. Robert D' ESTOUTEVILLE Gov - Ambrieres Castle,415,2418 son of Roger De VERDUN and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Castle Of Ambrieres, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died about 1066 2418 about age 56.
General Notes: Fought at Battle of Hastings.
Robert married Jeanne De TALBOT 2418 about 1039. Jeanne was born about 1023 in Cleuville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
64355119105. Jeanne De TALBOT,415,2418 daughter of Hugh De TALBOT Sire De Cleuville and Marie De MEULAN, was born about 1023 in Cleuville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Jeanne married Robert D' ESTOUTEVILLE Gov - Ambrieres Castle 2418 about 1039. Robert was born about 1010 in Castle Of Ambrieres, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died about 1066 2418 about age 56.
64355119106. Quesnoc De RIEUX 415,2418 was born about 1018 in Rieux, Oise, Picardy, France.
Quesnoc married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177559553 i. Blanche De RIEUX (born about 1045 in Rieux, Oise, Picardy, France)
64355119112. Richard FITZMEURDACH Sir 415 was born about 1037 in Normandy, France and died after 1081.
Richard married.
The child from this marriage was:
32177559556 i. Ralph MEURDACH Of Deddington, Sir (born about 1060 in Normandy, France - died in Deddington, Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England)
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