DonegalBurnfoot.htm ***********************

DONEGAL  RESEARCH  - BURNFOOT and FAHAN              BALLYMONEY, Co ANTRIM

"DAVID NATHANIEL ELDER" Obituary in Co Donegal - died in February 2009
posted at
http://www.rip.ie/death_notices_detail.asp?NoticeID=67419

"The death has occurred of David Nathaniel ELDER of
Ballyderowen, Burnfoot, Donegal
Reposing at his late residence.
Funeral from his late residence on Thursday afternoon
at 1.30pm for Service in Fahan Presbyterian Church.
Burial afterwards in Fahan Parish Burying Ground.
Family flowers only, please. Donations in lieu of flowers,
if desired, to the Donegal Hospice, c/o The Elder Family.
The house is private please, between 10pm and 10am.
Date published: Tuesday, February 10, 2009"

A Descriptive entry for FAHAN  "FIND-A-GRAVE" says:
Fahan Upper
Donegal  Ireland
Cemetery notes and/or description:
"The village of Fahan is situated about 3 miles south of Buncrana, County Donegal, Ireland.
St. Mura's (Church of Ireland) Church has a new cemetery at the rear.
About 50 yards south of the church, on the main R238 road, is the old monastry and an ancient graveyard.
This walled graveyard contains the ruins of a monastry which was founded in the 6th century by
St. Colmcille, who made one of his followers, St. Mura, the first abbot."

No ELDER on their list -- only 21 names listed,tho.

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Ray ELDER of Londonderry has posted photos of St. Mura's FAHAN Church
and a cemetery marker.
at
http://www.elder-mcgilligan.com/2006/11/25/st-muras-parish-church
  Caption:
  "St. Mura’s Parish Church is located in Fahan, Co. Donegal.
The church is within the Church of Ireland Diocese of Derry & Raphoe in the
Parish of Fahan Upper.
David Andrew Elder (-1984) infant, is buried in the graveyard behind the church building."
"David Andrew Elder, 1984" marker photo
at
http://www.elder-mcgilligan.com/2006/11/25/david-andrew-elder-1984

Lily Elder posts comment on Ray's webpage:
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:01 am
>This is our son’s grave. He was just 3 days old when he died.

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Map shows BURNFOOT and FAHAN north of Londonderry, going past Inch Island
from BURNFOOT to FAHAN.
at
http://www.maplandia.com/ireland/donegal/donegal/burnfoot

ROBERT ELDER of  BURNFOOT, Co DONEGAL - and STIRLINGSHIRE SCOTLAND
at
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/PATTERSON/2000-10/0972140029

        From: "T. David Elder" <tdelder@norfolk.infi.net>
Subject: [PATTERSON-L] PATTERSON & ELDER IN PA
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:20:05 -0400
   >Hi Ann and Listers,
  >I would like to identify the origin of Elizabeth "Mary" PATTERSON
(father William) who was born in the lowlands of Scotland (probably
near Glasgow) about 1700-1708 and married Thomas ELDER either there
or in County Antrim near Lough Neagh, Ireland.
From there they immigrated to PA about 1730-1733  where they settled in Paxtang, PA.
Thomas ELDER left a will dated 8 May 1751 and probated 3 Aug 1752. I
would like to know more about this branch of the Patterson family.
  >Thanks for your help,
Dave
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From: Catherine Harwood <charwood@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATTERSON-L] PATTERSON & ELDER IN PA
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:53:49 -0400
References: <v04210101b611559828cd@[209.252.32.9]>
> Hi Dave and Listers
..... >I have a Thomson Family genealogy table prepared by John James Elder
 born at Ashgrove, Castlefin, County Donegal, November 5, 1859.
 He died in Toronto,Ontario. I don't know when.
His father, Andrew married a Thomson of Moyle, Co. Donegal.
   >I am a Patterson, presently of Ottawa, Ontario, whose GG grandfather,
John Patterson, of Rubbleshinney, Milford, Donegal (b. Oct. 10, 1814)
married another Thomson sister. I can account for the Pattersons of this marriage.
   >John was the son of William Patterson. He married Sarah Jane Gallagher.
    >That is as far as I can go with my Pattersons, right now. The Elders and
Pattersons in this case are cousins.
  >The author of this genealogy identifies his Elder family as being
descended from Robert Elder of Stirlingshire who settled at Burnfoot,
Ireland before 1700.
   >Is this of interest to anyone? Would love to hear from you.
Catherine

Nancy's note:
Egles' book (PAXTANG PA chapter) lists:
4.  iii. Thomas, b. 1708; m. Mary Patterson, dau. of William  Patterson, of Paxtang. "

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Donna Logan's ELDER Archives: STIRLING and PERTH
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 00:36:09
Subject: Re: Help - I'm lost in a sea of Elders
From: relder@hawkeld.ak.planet.gen.nz (Ron Elder of New Zealand)
>1) Name: Ronald I. Elder (Ron)
>2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with): relder@hawkeld.ak.planet.gen.nz
>3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods): Stirlingshire/Perthshire, Scotland mid-1700s
...> I am descended from a David Elder for whom the only date we have is his marriage to
Hannah Jamieson in Linlithgow, Scotland in 1788. His occupation was listed as
Master Cooper and we believe that he went to Linlithgow for work in one of the distilleries there.
We have not yet discovered his birthplace.
His son, also David Elder and my Gt-Gt-Grandfather, had planned to emigrate to New Zealand
but died in 1862 in Raploch - then a small village but now a suburb of Stirling, Scotland.
He and his wife Jessie Robertson are buried in Stirling together with one of their daughters Jane Kerr Elder.
All of the survivng family members emigrated and became established in New Zealand in the mid-1860's.
We have good records from that time.
Our best clue to the origins of the family come from the links with Stirling.
David Elder had spent most of his working life as an Inspector of Fisheries in the Orkney Islands
and in other fishing ports on the East Coast of Scotland.
However, when he retired in ill-health he went to the Stirling area and died in the home of a woman
we believe may have been a cousin - her father was a Thomas Elder, born in 1774 in
Port of Menteith, Perthshire, Scotland (14 miles away).
We know also of a son of David Elder's, William, whose success in Veterinary studies at
Edinburgh University was recorded in the local Stirling newspaper,
which serves to strenghten the possibility of a family connection in the area.
Any help from others researching family connections in the Stirlingshire or Perthshire areas would be welcomed.
Ron ELDER
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More from Ron ELDER in April 2009:
   Re: Elder family, Old Raploch farm
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=87b01ee1cd1c6447b73869d0167813d0&topic=215420.15
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 15 April 09 05:42 BST (UK) »
...."My interest is drawn by the following post from '07 (Post #5):
"Intriguingly a David Elder died at Raploch Farm in 1862: fishery officer at Island of Westray, Orkney;
then at Helmsdale, and lately resided at Raploch, spouse of Janet Robertson or Elder.
Davids family later emigrated to new Zealand or there abouts. My theory is that he must have been related to
the "Raploch Elders", why would he be visiting them otherwise?
He and his family were planning to emigrate at the time and I think he went to say farewell."
  >The David Elder in question was my Gt-Gt-Grandfather.  I am descended from one of his sons
who emigrated to New Zealand in the 1850-60s.  David Elder, his wife and eldest daughter Jane Kerr Elder
were planning to come to New Zealand also. However, all three died within the space of 12 months.
Five of the family - 3 sons and 2 daughters - settled in New Zealand and we have full records of their families here.
In fact one of my cousins is about to publish a family history in June '09..."
Ron Elder

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Using Google.com,  searched for CASTLEFIN and COUNTY DONEGAL
found webpage by EJ BORIS - including ELDER names in County Donegal
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ejboris/pafn26.htm

and chart with ELDER of Castlefin
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ejboris/jjelder_p10_11.jpg

JJ Elder - Notes for ELDER chart

Andrew Elder    -   "of Roughan"
Lecky Elder        -    "(d. aged 4 mos)"
Rebecca Elder    -    "(d. in childhood)"
Andrew Elder    -    "of Ashgrove Castlefin, Co. Donegal"
John J. Elder      -   "{of Woodstock  New Brunswick}"
Andrew Elder    -    "(of Montreal)"
Wm. John Tynan -  "of Carricknamana, Co. Donegal"
Stewart Elder        - "of Roughan"
John Caldwell
    "Son of Charles, and
    Grandson of Matthew
    Caldwell, by his wife
    Elizabeth Sproule"

Isabella Elder
    pages 10 and 11 titled
    "Stuart, Elder, Lecky, and Mathewson Families __
    Relatives of Mrs John Caldwell (nee Isabella Elder), of Meenahoney, Castlefin, Co. Donegal, Ireland."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ejboris/jjelder_p10_11.jpg

Chas. Sproule Caldwell   -  "of Londonderry; Solicitor"
Robert Blair Elder            -   "(of Michigan, U.S.)"
    There appears to be error in names -
    this should probably be simply Robert Elder,
    with the son being Robert Blair Elder.

Dr F. H. Mitchell   "of Delaware, Ont."
Clark M. Elder -  "of Maplegrove,  Brandon, Man."

...

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Directory for EJ BORIS - Send e-mail to: EJBoris at yahoo.com
Webpages:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ejboris/
    ">Transcribed from (photocopies of) a pamphlet prepared by J J Elder of New Brunswick in 1890.
    >" Page A (Coloured chart) Pages 1 & 2 Pages 4 & 5 Pages 6 & 7 Pages 8 & 9 Pages 10 & 11
Title page and page 3 were not provided.
    >" Assessment : where the data could be checked, it was found to be very good.
Some offspring are known to be missing. As noted, order of birth of offspring may be incorrect.
     >"Corrections and additions : all data transcribed as listed. Submitted corrections
will be added when a transcription error was made - all other corrections will be listed in the Notes.
Only addition was parents of Hannah Allen. No further additions will be made to this set of data
(although a separate web page with additions may be considered). Comments welcome."

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"Castlefin (Irish: Caisleán na Finne), (sometimes spelt Castlefinn)
is a market town in the Finn Valley of County Donegal, Ireland an Ulster county within the Republic of Ireland.
The town has a population of 810 (2006) and is located between Ballybofey and Lifford.
The River Finn flows by the town. The town is located in along the main N15 national primary road,
which runs from Bundoran to Lifford. The town lies 6 miles from Lifford and 8 miles from the twin towns of
Ballybofey /Stranorlar. It has close links to the twin towns of Ballybofey/ Stranorlar,
Letterkenny and has strong links with West Tyrone in Northern Ireland, especially with the towns of Strabane and Castlederg.
   "Castlefinn is in the parish of Donaghmore, barony of Raphoe, 4.5 miles from Lifford.
It's name translates from the castle on the banks of the River Finn,
the stones from the castle were used in the construction of the bridge that still stands today,
and at the close of Elizabeth I’s reign it belonged to Sir Neill Garbh O’Donnell.
It is situated on the river Finn, which is navigable to the River Foyle for vessels of 14 tons’ burden,
is on the road from Strabane to Stranorlar and in 1837 consisted of a single street, with a Roman Catholic Chapel."

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Searching Google.com for:  "John James ELDER" and Donegal
found MATHEWSON list  - 50 page MATHEWSON book transcribed
at
https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/th/read/MATHEWSON/2001-03/0984237659

Includes entries:
 * John James Elder #392 b. ??-___-1859 Ashgrove, Donegal, Ireland
d. after 1927 Toronto, Ont,
Canada
m. 5-Apr-1905 Florence E. Evans #1857
In May 1892 was living in Indianapolis, Indiana, USA.
"He  supplied PRONI with data in 1927 from Toronto, Ont, Canada."

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GOOGLE BOOKS - JJ ELDER citations

New England Historical and Genealogical Register
By Henry Fritz-Gilbert Waters,
Page 92. [Jan 1892] Notes and Queries
...
ELDER.--A genealogy of the Elder Family in Scotland, Ireland,
Canada, and the United States, is being compiled by J. J. ELDER,
1 Board of Trade, Indianapolis.  He would be obliged for
authentic information as to the origin of the name, and the
early history of the family; also for genealogies of the
different branches of the family in the above-mentioned countries.

MATHEWSON and SPROULE.--J.J. ELDER, 1 Board of Trade,
Indianapolis, Ind., has in preparation genealogies of these families.
The Mathewsons crossed from the Hebrides, Scotland, into the
north of Ireland, about two hundred years ago; and from these most of their
descendants have emigrated to the New World, and are settled at Montreal,
Winnipeg. Detroit, New York and many other places on this continent.
The SPROULES, who have frequently intermarried with the Mathewsons,
were Lairds of Cowden in Scotland, from the time of Robert Bruce.
They sold their estates to the Earls of Dundonald, and removed
to County Tyrone, Ireland, where the majority of their descendants
reside, but a portion of them are in the United States.  Mr. Elder has
already collected some valuable materials, and invites correspondence.
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COMPILED LISTS -
http://herkimer.nygenweb.net/history/genealogiescompiled.html

ELDER - J. J. Elder, 24 S. Penna street, Indianapolis, Ind.
MATHEWSON - J. J. Elder, 1 Board of Trade, Indianapolis, Ind.
PARK - J. J. Elder, 24 South Pennsylvania street, Indianapolis.
SPROUEL - J. J. Elder, 24 South Pennsylvania street, Indianapolis, Inc.
THOMPSON - J. J. Elder, 24 South Pennsylvania street, Indianapolis, Ind.;
   Charles O. Thompson, 35 Cambridge street, Boston, Mass.

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DONEGAL WILLS at PRONI - Public Record Office of Northern Ireland
at
http://www.proni.gov.uk/view_Will.htm?willId=19994&strReturn=listWill.asp?nListType=1&strOrder=Id&nPage=2000
Forename:  Thomas
Surname:  Blair
Date Of Death:  21/04/1878
Date Of Grant:  06/12/1878
Effects:  Effects under £1,000
Registry:  Londonderry
Full Abstract:
The Will of Thomas Blair late of Kiltown,  County Donegal, Farmer deceased
who died 21 April 1878 at same place was proved at Londonderry by the oaths of the
Reverend Robert Smyth of Donaghmore Presbyterian Minister and
Andrew Elder of Ashgrove (Castlefin) Farmer both in said County the Executors.
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ELDER DNA kit #75444 (Matching "PAXTANG PA" DNA group)
Ancestor:
ROBERT ELDER (1836-1910) Inch Island, Co. Donegal
Others immigr. to Saskatchewan
Inch Island ELDER webpage:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~inchelder/index.html
and
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

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John Charles Giacoletti writes on <SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com> May 8, 2009:
   >I was  raised in Cowansville, East Franklin Township, Armstrong  County.
> Cowansville was named for my 5th great-Grandfather, also a  John Cowan, who settled
> on 500 acres of  unclaimed Revolutionary War redemption  lands in 1796..."

  John wrote On May 10, 2009 :
>I looked up Elder in In the Days of the Laggan  Presbytery, by Rev. Alexander G. Lecky, Belfast: 1908.
>There is one entry for John  Elder of the Burt congregation.
>The Presbyterian congregation dates from  1673.
>The entry signifies that between 1672 and 1700 John Elder  attended
meetings of the Laggan Presbytery as a ruling elder or  commissioner. "

Also found in Google.com - Online Book - IN THE DAYS OF THE LAGGAN PRESBYTERY.
Page 145.

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Logging into HERITAGE QUEST through my local library,
CLICKED on BOOKS,
SEARCHED title:  REGISTER OF DERRY CATHEDRAL
found:
Hayes, Richard., [View Image]
  "The register of Derry Cathedral (S. Columb's), parish of Templemore, Londonderry, 1642-1703"
      Exeter ::  Printed for the Parish Register Society of Dublin by W. Pollard & Co.,,  1910,  447  pgs.
          Books may be downloaded or viewed online.
          Downloading and viewing is limited to 50 pages.

Posting page 386, ELDER Index here (.pdf file):
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/ElderIndexP386Cathedral.pdf

Index:
Elder, Andrew   76, 112, 121, 286, 348, 352, 360, 368, 369
            Ann            360
           Deatrixe      181
           Elizabeth   352, 369
           James         149, 181
           Jane            142
           Jennett        20, 73, 155
           John            185*
           Jonet            277
           Margarett    21, 39, 112, 138, 300, 350
           Mary            76, 148, 151, 156, 157, 249, 286
           Mathew       149*, 368
           Walter         20, 73, 350
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and
Mathew Elder entry, page 149 (.pdf file)  - Includes name of GOSSIP - Old Definition: "A sponsor; a godfather or a godmother. "
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/MathewElderP149Cathedral.pdf

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Photo of Cemetery marker and Church, by Ray ELDER of County Londonderry  - May 27th, 2009
Andrew Elder of Roughan (1778-1865)
Caption:  "Andrew Elder and his family are buried in Newtowncunningham Presbyterian Church located in
Newtowncunningham, Co. Donegal."
posted at
http://www.elder-mcgilligan.com/2009/05/27/andrew-elder-1778
and Church photo:
http://www.elder-mcgilligan.com/2009/05/27/newtowncunningham-presbyterian-church

In
Memory
of
Andrew Elder
of Roughan
who died 23rd Nov 1865
aged 87 years
also his wife Ann Jane
who died 13th Sep 1872
aged 72 years
also their daughters
Jane and Rebecca
also their son Stewart
who died 29th September 1903
aged 74 years

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