GranvilleElder1910TX.htm ***********************************
ELDER DNA KIT #85035 matches  DNA of "FRANKLIN CO PA ,"
                                 instead of "PETER ELDER of VA" group.
Matching  also 2  Sevier Co TN entries, 1 Overton Co TN entry, and Jacob ELDER, d. 1818 KY.
Earliest KNOWN ancestor:
Samuel B. ELDER, d. 1811 Sevier Co TN
son: John ELDER m. Nancy Sullins    (John's brother, Robert S. ELDER, d. 1863 Meigs Co TN)
son: "JOHN or JOSEPH CASEVILLE ELDER, b. 1819 TN, d. 1862 (Lewisville, Denton Co TX ? )     Denton Co TX
son: John Silas ELDER (b. 25 Jan 1845, Harrison, Hamilton Co TN -- d. 1913 in Mt. Ida, Montgomery, ARK)
son: William Caswell ELDER (b. Jan 21, 1875 Washita, Montgomery, ARK -  d. 10 Nov. 1955 Houston, Harris TX )
         (Obituary found in Houston Public Library: 10 Nov. 1955 (Houston Chronicle)
         (birthplace as Washita, Arkansas, given by John WATKINS)
Montgomery Co Arkansas                                                                                                                   #85035 page 2 (mtDNA)

Hamilton Co Tennessee            Blakemore-Stewart book

Meigs Co TN

Scanned and posted on Google Docs with permission of the author:

Heritage Quest 1910
 ELDER, M C  (or W C)  (1910 U.S. Census)  Obituary - Houston Chronicle, 11/11/1955
Age: 31, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: AR        Death certificate
Series: T624 Roll: 1559 Page: 32
Clerk, Cigar Store
wife Cynthia 24
Granville 3

Social Security Death Index (      Forest Hills Cemetery, Houston, TX
Name:   Granville Elder
SSN:  453-26-4788
Last Residence:  77027  Houston, Harris, Texas
Born:  1 May 1906
Died:  Oct 1972
State (Year) SSN issued:  Texas (Before 1951 )

Texas Death Index (
Name:   Granville Elder SR
Death Date:  22 Oct 1972
Death County:  Harris
Gender:  Male
Marital Status: Single

Houston Chronicle
Oct. 23, 1972 Sec. 5, page 13.

Listed at Forest Park Lawndale Cemetery, Houston, TX

Wife Louise also listed on a separate page
Elder, Louise Ethel Felder
b. Feb. 26, 1909
d. Apr. 29, 2003
Click: Portrait symbol - for her photo

Name:   William Elder
Home in 1920:  Houston Ward 3, Harris, Texas
Age:  44 years
Estimated birth year:  abt 1876
Birthplace:  Arkansas
Relation to Head of House:  Head
Spouse's name:  Katherine
Father's Birth Place:  Arkansas
Mother's Birth Place: Massachusetts
Marital Status:  Married
Race:  White
Sex:  Male
Home owned:  Own
Able to read:  Yes
Able to Write:  Yes
Household Members:
Name  Age
William Elder  44
Katherine Elder  33
Granbille Elder  13
Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Houston Ward 3, Harris, Texas;
Roll: T625_1813; Page: 13B; Enumeration District: 58; Image: 458.
William Caswell ELDER
WWI Draft Card:
Birth date: Jan 21, 1875
Occ: Merchant, Houston, Harris, TX
Wife: Katherine Elder

1900 SEARCH all ELDER b. 1879 AR (+/- 2)
Name:   Casville W Elder
Home in 1900:  Police Jury Ward 1, Claiborne, Louisiana
Age:  23
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Birthplace:  Arkansas
Relationship to head-of-house: Boarder
Race:  White
Household Members:
Name  Age
James M Gour  68
Lophina A Gour  51
Minnie Gour  11
Mittie Gour  11
Missouri C Gour  64
Casville W Elder  23  AR TN MA  (b. abt 1877)
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Police Jury Ward 1, Claiborne, Louisiana;
Roll: T623 562; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 13.

1880  Montgomery Co AR
 John ELDER    Self   M    Male  W    35    TN    Farmer    TN    TN
 Cordelia ELDER Wife  M  Female    W    30    AR    Keeping House  MA   MA
 Alice ELDER    Dau   S    Female    W    10    TN      TN   AR
 Whittington ELDER   Son  S    Male  W    7    TN      TN   AR
 Wm. ELDER    Son   S    Male    W    5    AR      TN   AR
 Edny ELDER    Son  S    Male    W    2    AR        TN    AR
 Mandy ELDER  Mother    W   Female    W    56    TN     VA   VA
 Joseph ELDER   Brother   S  Male    W   18   TX  Farmer   TN    TN
 Adline ARNET  Cousin    S  Female   W   18  TN    TN    TN

Source Information:
   Census Place  Sulphur Springs, Montgomery, Arkansas
  Family History Library Film   1254052
  NA Film Number   T9-0052
  Page Number   410C

Barbara Calkin
# ID: I20087
# Name: John Silas ELDER                                                             Civil War enlistment, 2 CAV IL - New Iberia, LA - 1863
# Surname: Elder
# Given Name: John Silas
# Sex: M
# Birth: 25 Jan 1845 in , , Tennessee                                               Birthplace of John Silas ELDER, Harrison, Hamilton Co TN
# Death: 15 Jun 1913 in Mt. Ida, Montgomery, Arkansas

Father: Joseph Caseville ELDER b: 1819 in , , Tennessee              Listed in Blakemore book file: ArkansasBlakemore
Mother: Amanda ROGERS b: 15 Jan 1823

Marriage 1 Cordelia Zylphia WHITTINGTON b: 3 Nov 1848

# ID: I20090
# Name: Joseph Caseville ELDER
# Surname: Elder
# Given Name: Joseph Caseville
# Sex: M
# Birth: 1819 in , , Tennessee
# Death: 1862
Marriage 1 Amanda ROGERS b: 15 Jan 1823
   1.  Mary J. ELDER b: 1843 in , Hamilton, Tennessee
   2.  John Silas ELDER b: 25 Jan 1845 in , , Tennessee
   3.  Joseph ELDER

1860 DENTON CO TX (Lewisville) (NW of DALLAS)
J C Elder             Denton, TX   38   abt 1822   Tennessee   Male (farmer)
Amanda Elder    Denton, TX   38  abt 1822  Tennessee  Female
John Elder          Denton, TX   16  abt 1844  Tennessee  Male   (farmer)
Elizabeth Elder Denton, TX    12  abt 1848  Tennessee  Female
George W Elder Denton, TX     4  abt 1856  Tennessee  Male
Jeremiah Elder  Denton, TX     1  abt 1859  Texas  Male

Name:   J C Elder
Age in 1860:  38
Birth Year:  abt 1822
Birthplace:  Tennessee
Home in 1860:  Denton, Texas
Gender:  Male
Post Office: Lewisville
Household Members:
Name  Age
J C Elder  38  (farmer)
Amanda Elder  38
John Elder  16  (farmer)
Elizabeth Elder 12
George W Elder 4
Jeremiah Elder 1
Mary Sullins  84
W J Norman  24
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place:  , Denton, Texas;
Roll: M653_1292; Page: 425; Image: 324.

ROSTER - Co A - 2nd Illinois Cavalry

ELDER, John S  Recruit  Louisville, Tex  Apr 21, 1863  [LEWISVILLE]
Re-enlisted as Veteran

ELDER, John S  Veteran  Lake Providence  Feb 5, 1864  Corp'l. MO Jun 22, 1865 as of 1st enlistment

Battle of VICKSBURG history and map - Mississippi -
see: Lake Providence, in LA, northwest of Vicksburg
and Milliken's Bend Region

Battle of Vicksburg MS --History:


from Rootsweb Archives
(story mixes PAXTANG PA group and PETER ELDER group,
and maybe some of FRANKLIN CO PA, or YORK CO PA groups:
    Subject: Re: Samuel Elder (1760-1811); lived Sevier & Greene Co's.
    Date: 9 Aug 2004 19:53:52 -0600
    Virginia Knight Nelson of Knoxville authored a book on the
“Families Named Elder of East Tennessee” dated May 11, 1986.
Ruth Edwards of Chattanooga had researched the family.
This article is one in a series of PIONEER FAMILIES featured in the Free Press.
This information was obtained from Martha Kidwell online.

"The Elders were among Tennessee's earliest pioneers and were well acquainted
with Davy Crockett. John Elder and his nephew, Robert S.Elder,
made their way to Hamilton county at an early date.

    "The family traces back to Samuel Elder, who on April 21, 1796 paid $200 for 150 acres
in the "County of Greene, Territory of the United States of America South of the River Ohio."
This property at the head of Sinking Creek (Near Afton just east of Greenville off US11E)
was sold four years later for $333 as the Elders moved from Greene County to Sevier County.
Samuel is listed in Taxables of Captain Morriss' Company, Greene Co., in 1797 with 150 acres of land.
Davy Crockett wrote in his autobiography that he had known the Elders "when very young.
They had lived in the same neighborhood with me, and I had thought very well of them."
He said the family "had very pretty little girls."
The daughters of Samuel Elder and his wife, Hannah, included Esther (b. 1782)
who married Michael Widner. Margaret is believed to be another daughter.
Davy Crockett was preparing to marry Margaret Elder in the latter part of 1805,
but she backed out on this contract. Margaret Elder in 1829 !
    was dismissed by the Baptists for joining the Methodists.
The Elders attended Dumplin Baptist Church near Dandridge in Jefferson County.
After some of the family moved to Meigs County, they helped to organize
Goodfield Baptist Church. Samuel Elder died in 1811.
He left Hannah "the plantation that I now live on and all the household furniture and
three negroes and one bay mare and colt and all the cattle and hogs and all the farming utensils."
Hannah married James Moore in 1814 and she lived until 1829.
The Samuel Elder sons were Robert (b. 1775), William (b. 1780)
who married Rebecca Cate, Jacob, Samuel (b. 1784), John S. (b. 1777)
who married Nancy Sullins, and Andrew.
(LDS lists a James b.1786, All dates from LDS)
    John S. Elder was commissioned a lieutenant in the 11th Regiment of the Tennessee Militia in 1808.
He owned property in Sevier and Jefferson counties and he acquired
" a negro girl named Sishe" for $275 while in the latter county.
John Elder was often a delegate for Dumplin Baptist Church to associate meetings,
but he and his wife were granted letters of dismission by the church on Sept. 12, 1835,
as they moved to Hamilton County near Ooltewah.
    Samuel Elder Jr. b. abt 1760 d. 1811
    Samuel Elder was born about 1760.
Samuel’s parents are given differently by different researchers.
Samuel was an early settler in eastern Tennessee, initially settling in Greene Co.
He married Hannah, presumably in Virginia, as their first son Robert gives his birthplace
as Virginia in the 1850 Census

...Includes Will of Samuel Elder...

Name:   Cordelia Whittington
Age:  39
Estimated birth year:  abt 1811
Birth Place:  Massachusetts
Gender:  Female
Home in 1850
(City,County,State):  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, Arkansas
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, Arkansas;
Roll: M432_28; Page: 393; Image: 168.

Name:   Cordelia L Whittington
Age:  1
Estimated birth year:  abt 1849
Birth Place:  Arkansas
Gender:  Female
Home in 1850
(City,County,State):  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, Arkansas
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, Arkansas;
Roll: M432_28; Page: 393; Image: 168.

Name:   Granville Whittington
Age:  41
Estimated birth year:  abt 1809
Birth Place:  Massachusetts
Race:  White
Gender:  Male
Home in 1850
(City,County,State):  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, Arkansas
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, Arkansas;
Roll: M432_28; Page: 393; Image: 168.
 Alfred Whittington   Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR   abt 1844   Arkansas
Clara F Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1844  Arkansas
Cordelia Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1811  Massachusetts
Cordelia L Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1849  Arkansas
Daniel George Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1840  Arkansas
Granville Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1809  Massachusetts
Hiram C Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1833  New Hampshire

Hiram O Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1806  MA
Horatio B Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1847 AR
Wm B Whittington  Sulphur Spring, Montgomery, AR  abt 1840 AR

Whittington Cemetery (Search ELDER)
Montgomery Co ARKANSAS
Elder Granville Whittington
            Nov 29 1873 - Feb 23 1895 His memory is blessed
Elder Cordelia Z. Whittington
             Nov 3 1848 - 24 Feb 1895 w/o J.S. Elder
Elder J.S.
             Jan 25 1845 - Jun 15 1913 Mason

Montgomery County, Arkansas
2000-2001 Queries
John Watkins      Aug. 26. 2001
ROGERS / ELDER: Does anybody have any information on Amanda Rogers
b. 01/15/1823, died 06/11/1896 in Mt. Ida, married to Joseph Caseville Elder
born 1819 in Tenn., d. 1862 during the war?
Children were Joseph Elder, Mary Elder, b. 1843 in Hamilton CO. Tenn.,
married first a Mr. Snow, second a Mr. Bottoms and had children by both.
John Silas Elder, born Jan. 25 1845 in Tenn., d. June 15 1913 in Mt. Ida Ark.,
married Cordelia Zyiphia Whittington who was born Nov. 3, 1848, died Feb. 24, 1895 in Mt. Ida.
They had eight children: Elizabeth (Betty) Elder, born 1846 in Hamilton CO. Tenn.,
married a Mr. Arnold and they had children.
I found this on the Whittington Cemetary List
Elder Cordelia Z. Whittington Nov 3 1848 - 24 Feb 1895 w/o J.S. Elder
Does anyone know any thing about her ancestry?
She is a descendant of Amanda Rogers, sister to Martha Rogers,
wife of William Watkins and Jerry Columbus Witt.
John S. Elder age 26 m. Zilphia Whittington age 21 on 11 Sept. 1878.

Found WorldConnect entry for AMANDA ROGER's parents in TN
# ID: I116
# Name: William (Uncle Bill) Watkins ROGERS
# Sex: M
# Birth: Abt 1800
# Note: The Roger family was one of affluence in Hamilton County Tennessee.
William Rogers owned a great deal of fine farm land "six miles from Harrison and twelve miles above Chattanooga".
He was unmercifully beaten by Union people for having been in the Rebel Army.
William sold his land and settled in Arkansas.
Father:  ... ROGERS
Mother: Eliza????
Marriage 1 Elizabeth (Granny) STEWART b: Abt 1798
   1.  Martha ROGERS b: 1829 in Hamilton County Tennessee
   2.  Amanda ROGERS b: 15 DEC 1823 in Hamilton County (Sequachie Valley) Tennessee
   3. Lurinda ROGERS
   4.  Jeremiah (Called Jerry) ROGERS
   5.  John ROGERS

Lee ELDER's list, page 29 "PETER ELDER of VA" - for father SAMUEL  (WRONG SAMUEL?)
Donna Logan's Database on
Name  John S. Elder
Birth  1786, TN
Death  1849, TN
Father  Jr. Samuel Elder (1760-1811)
Mother  Hanna Other (1741-1829)
1  Nancy Sullins
Birth  1790, TN
Marriage  2 Apr 1808, TN
Children  John C. (1821-1863)

Lee ELDER's book, p. 29
In 1854 [J.C.] sold 445 acres for $4000 to William Rogers, D. M. Key, and James T. Gardenhire
(Hamilton Co Deed Book I 0, p. 528.)
On 3-20-1860 J. C. Elder, William Rogers, and Mary Sullins
(perhaps the wife of Joseph Sullins) for $1200 sold William Rogers and Pete Monger a tract of 160
"known as Sullins old place," adjoining Douglas, Shropshire, and the Elder old farm
(Hamilton Co Deed Book I-4, p. 29) .
Presumably it was about this time that the  [J.C.] ELDER family moved to Denton Co TX.
Amanda: in 1880 she was living with her son John S. Elder in Montgomery Co AR.
The 1860 census (DENTON CO TX) listed all of Amanda's children except Joseph who was born in 1862.

Now reviewing the entries for ROBERT ELDER, b. 1760 York Co PA,
Rev. War Soldier who was at BATTLE of KINGS MOUNTAIN,
his father is MATTHEW.
Notes posted:

Matthew ELDER and Mary KINCANNON:
Donna Logan's archives:
 6. [Also from Ruth Burns]
Letter from Josephine Jurney,
16024 NE 26th St. Bellevue, Wa. 98008 - 17 July 1989.
In some old CFI cards , found Mathew
 Elder son of Mathew Elder christened 13 Aug 1662 Londonderry Co,
Templemore, Derry Cathedral.
Also: Mathew Elder, son of Andrew Elder and Anna, christened 19
 May 1703 same place as above.
[Templemore is just west of Londonderry.]
 7. Ireland IGI, p. 8444 -- same information as #6 - also p. 8441 -
marriage of Andrew Elder to Ann Riply, 3 July 1701 at Derry
 Cathedral, Templemore, Ireland. Probable other children are Ann,
 christened 21 Nov 1699 and Elizabeth, christened 3 July 1701, both
 at Derry Cathedral, Templemore, Londonderry Co."
7. Natalie Holt family  (of Vancouver, WA - LDS volunteer)
(not posted 10/06)
ID: I2935
* Name: Robert ELDER
* Surname: Elder
* Given Name: Robert
* Sex: M
* Birth: 1760 in York county, Pennsylvania
* Death: 28 Oct 1839 in Lincoln county, Kentucky, USA
* Burial:  [McCormack Church Cem is in Lincoln Co KY-verified 10/06 -list]
Father: Matthew ELDER b: ABT 1725
ID: I2934
* Name: Matthew ELDER
* Surname: Elder
* Given Name: Matthew
* Sex: M
* Birth: ABT 1725 in
* Death: 1783 in Washington county, Virginia, USA
* Ancestral File #: 22HC-VK8
Marriage 1 Spouse [Mary Kincannon]
1.  Andrew ELDER b: ABT 1748 in Chester county, Pennsylvania
2.  Jane ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
3.  Agnes ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
4.  Martha ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
5.  Elizabeth ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
6.  Rebecca ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
7.  Sarah ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
8.  Matthew ELDER b: ABT 1750 in
9.  Robert ELDER b: 1760 in York county, Pennsylvania
10.  Mary ELDER b: 22 Jan 1761 in Sullivan county, North Carolina
11.  James ELDER b: ABT 1763 in Washington county, Virginia

10. Elder/Wise Family Tree, by Janell Dickerson
ID: I118256981
* Name: Robert ELDER
* Given Name: Robert
* Surname: Elder
* Sex: M
* Birth: 1760 in York, Pennsylvania
* Death: 28 Oct 1839 in Lincoln, Kentucky
Father: Matthew ELDER b: 1703 in Londonderry, Templemore, Ireland
Mother: Mary KINCANNON b: 1702-1726
Marriage 1 Rebecca ROBINSON b: 21 Oct 1762 in Rockbridge, Virginia
* Married: 23 Sept 1783 in Rockbridge, Virginia
1.  Emma May ELDER b: 1780-1807
2.  Andrew ELDER b: 1789
3.  William Marshall ELDER b: 1802
4.  Jane ELDER b: 1804
5.  Rebecca ELDER b: 1799
6.  Robert Robinson Robertson ELDER b: 1796 in Lincoln, Kentucky
7.  Mary Jane ELDER b: 1791
8.  James ELDER b: 1791
9.  Matthew ELDER b: 1786 in Washington, Virginia

ULSTER DNA chart -- ELDER groups
Choose the 5th menu item on left:
"Ulster Heritage DNA" and subhead: DNA TEST RESULTS
see chart:
(added #75444-Inch Island, Co Donegal)

8 "R1b" Franklin Co PA
#10042, 10277, 18545, 29820, 10261, 12898, 78241, 85035

1 L'Derry/Glasgow #76740
1 Irish NIALL "R1b1c7: #12969

Nancy's Scotland research:
Aberdeen,  Argyll, Banff, Fife, Midlothian, Perth, Inverness, Skye:

SUTHERLAND surname and locations with
ELDER in Northern Scotland

Distribution map for ELDER in 1881 and 1998 Scotland/England:

John Hansen's "Scottish Clans" chart--
Ancestors for Franklin Co PA:
1. George of Bedford Co PA #12747
2. James of NC #10261
3. John of Mercer Co PA #29820
4. Robert of Franklin Co PA #18545 (Joseph Jr.)
5. Robert of Franklin Co PA #10042 (John of Wood Co Ohio)
"Other Surname" for Andrew of NC #12969
"Other Surname" for Rutherford TN #26383
and Borders -Selkirkshire #30720
Paxtang group: Spartanburg SC #50076

Scotland DNA project:
ELDER entries:
"R1b chart"- COLLA UAIS-Scotland Founder--Green box
"I" chart - PAXTANG PA