JAMES ELDER - FRANKLIN COUNTY PA
also see: Robert ELDER -and Joseph of Franklin Co PA
PAXTANG PA group: Robert, b. 1679 Scotland - Egle's book
Findagrave, by Larry Cornwell
BIOGRAPHICAL ANNALS OF FRANKLIN COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, p. 134-136.
Pub. by Genealogical Pub. Co, 1905. Compiled by Geo.E. Seilhamer
RE: JAMES ELDER of Franklin Co PA
ELDER FAMILY. The early history of the Elder family of St. Thomas and Peters townships is involved in some obscurity. James Elder came to the neighborhood about the middle of the eighteenth century with John Dixon and John Campbell. He was enrolled as a private in Capt. Joseph Armstrong's Company in 1755. This was the first company formed in the Province for the defense of the frontier against the French and Indians. It is not known whether this James Elder is identical with James Elder (born in Scotland, or Ireland, in 1712--died in Fannett township, Sept. 13, 1818), an early settler in Path Valley with his wife Elizabeth (born in Ireland in 1714--died in Path Valley, July 17, 1816), where he obtained a warrant for a tract of land, April 16, 1763. The Path Valley centenarian was a son of Robert Elder, who settled in Paxtang township, near Harrisburg, about 1730, and a brother of the Rev. John Elder, pastor of the Paxtang and Derry Churches. We have no record of the family either of James Elder, of St. Thomas, or James Elder, of Fannett. There are a number of Elder marriages in the Rev. Dr. John King's record, among them Samuel Elder to Martha Pyatt, Oct. 5, 1773. It is likely that from this Samuel came James Elder, who is the earliest known ancestor of the St. Thomas family.
(II) JAMES ELDER (died in Peters township November, 1833) owned a tract of land near Bridgeport, now Markes. He was a farmer and a member of the Upper West Conococheague Presbyterian Church, and is buried in the old Waddell graveyard, near Lemasters. He married June 1, 1815, Rachel McAfee; they had issue:
1. Mark, born in 1816.
2. Alexander, born in 1818.
3. Benjamin, born in 1820.
4. James Gettys (III).
5. Jane Elizabeth, born in 1828.
(III) JAMES GETTYS ELDER (born Feb 22, 1822), son of James and Rachel
(McAfee) Elder, was brought up on his father's farm, educated in the public
schools, and learned the trade of whipmaker. He engaged in the business
of whipmaking in the village of St. Thomas and conducted it for several
years, when he embarked in mercantile pursuits in partnership with Col.
William D. Dixon, in the same village. The partnership of Elder &
Dixon lasted until after the outbreak of the Civil war. Young Elder
was noted for his military spirit and became first lieutenant of the Franklin
Artillery, under Capt. McAllister. This organization at St. Thomas
was the rival of the Irwin Artillery,
commanded by Capt. Charles T. Campbell. Lieut. Elder succeeded to the command of the Franklin Artillerists, and commanded the battery at a military encampment held at Chambersburg, in 1850.
At the beginning of the Rebellion Capt. Elder offered his company to the government immediately upon President Lincoln's first call for troops, and it was mustered as Company C, 2d P.V., April 20, 1861. The regiment participated in Gen. Patterson's advance into Virginia in June, 1861, and was mustered out of service July 26, 1861. In the summer of 1862 Capt. Elder recruited the 126th Regiment, P.V., of which he was appointed colonel Aug. 13, 1862. After its organization the regiment was attached to the 1st Brigade, 3d Division, 5th Corps. The regiment participated in the march toward Antietam, but arrived to late for the battle. It was afterward moved to Warrenton and subsequently to the neighborhood of Falmouth, Va., and on the morning of Dec. 11th it marched from camp for its initial battle. For two days it was held in suspense to the music of Burnside's booming cannon, but on the 13th the brigade crossed the Rappahannock by the upper bridge, and passing through the town of Fredericksburg, was led at half past three out along the Telegraph Road to a low meadow on the right, where it was exposed to a heavy fire of artillery. After some delay it was ordered to the left of the road, under cover of a hill. "That crest must be carried to-night," Burnside had said, speaking of Maryes Hill. Three fruitless attempts had been made to carry the frowning heights, when Humphreys' division was ordered up for a final charge. Forming his brigade in two lines, the 126th on the right of the second line, with orders to the men not to fire, but to rely solely on the bayonet, Tyler sounded the charge. Ascending the hill in well ordered lines, the brigade went forward past the brick house on Maryes Hill, over the prostrate lines of the last charging column, to the stone wall where the enemy lay. In a moment that fatal wall was a sheet of flame, and worse even, the troops in the rear opened. Bewildered, and for a moment irresolute, the brigade began firing. This was fatal. The momentum of the charge was lost. Staggering back to the cover of the house, and descending the declivity, it reformed at the foot of the hill. At the head of his men, heroically urging them on, at the farthest point in the charge Col. Elder fell, severely wounded in the hip. His wound was so serious and recovery was so slow that he was unable to be present at the muster out of the regiment, May 20, 1863. After his discharge Col. Elder returned to his native county, making his home in Chambersburg. He was county treasurer one term, 1864-66.
He then engaged in the banking business, and was one of the organizers and a stockholder of the Franklin County Bank. After retiring from the bank he gave his attention to his farm, just outside of the borough limits, until his death. Col. Elder married Feb. 17, 1845, Mary E. Brindle (born Feb. 18, 1827--died Aug. 4, 1903), daughter of John and Catherine (Palmer) Brindle. James G. and Mary E. Elder had issue:
1. Margaret C., born Feb. 1, 1846, died unmarried, June 12, 1874.
2. John W. (see entry IV).
3. Amelia J. married Charles Gehr (Gehr Family).
4. Carrie Belle, born Oct. 9, 1854, died unmarried, April 17, 1872.
5. Fanny married J. Wilson Humbird.
7. Bruce, living in Chambersburg.
8. William Dixon married Anna Carlisle Grove (born Aug. 14, 1870--died Jan 24, 1901),
daughter of N. Pearse and Margaret W. (Seibert) Grove; they had issue: Margaret and James.
(IV) JOHN W. ELDER (born in St. Thomas, June 10, 1848--died
Nov. 12, 1903),
son of James Gettys and Mary E. (Brindle) Elder, was educated in the public schools of Chambersburg. When he was twenty years old he accepted a position in the post office at Philadelphia, but after a few months he resigned to become agent for the Adams Express Company in Chambersburg. He held this position for seven years. In 1875 he embarked in the grocery business, in which he was engaged until his death. After 1880 he was extensively interested in the purchase and shipment of hay from various sections of the country. He was also in active business in other lines. He bought and sold as much as one hundred thousand pounds of wool per year, and was an extensive purchaser of produce, especially potatoes, in the West, shipping them to Chambersburg by the carload and disposing of them in the home market. Mr. Elder married, in 1870, Clara Huber, daughter of John and Mary (Rhodes) Huber; they had issue:
1. Gertrude married George D. Woodrow, auditor of the West Virginia Central Railroad.
2. James, a merchant at Elkins, W. Wa., married Mary Brown.
3. John W., married Elizabeth Kramer, and they have one son, John K. Elder.
6. Wilson H.
7. George W.
8. C. Price.
From Carolyn Shearer:
1850 federal census
St Thomas, Franklin, Pennsylvania , Family Number: 56
James G Elder 27 sadler $1500 all in hh born PA
Mary Elder 22
Margaret Elder 4
John Elder 2
Rebecca Krider 12
Hiram Frazer 13
Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: St Thomas, Franklin,
Pennsylvania; Roll: M432_782; Page: 280A; Image: 59.
[also on this page Rachel Elder, 50, Rebecca 19, both b PA]
1880 Census (Williams Co OH)
Mark ELDER Self 64 PA Farmer PA PA (b. 1816)
Eliza J. ELDER Wife 55 PA Keeping House IRE PA
Martin ELDER Other 14 OH Laborer IRE PA
Census Place Bryan, Williams, Ohio
Family History Library Film 1255078
NA Film Number T9-1078
Page Number 660C
1930 Census Chambersburg, Franklin Co PA
Household 47 12 14
Line 40 Head: KRAMER, Sophie 70 widow PA GER GER
ELDER, Elizabeth [Kramer] 45 dau widow PA PA PA
JOHN g-son 26 -serviceman Radio
James g-son 21 - Salesman, grocery store
Wilson g-son 17 - Salesman, drugstore [b. abt 1912]
Richard, g-son 12
Elizabeth, g-dau 8
1920 Census Chambersburg, Franklin Co PA, Ed. #10
Line 15 Head: ELDER, John W. 45 Clerk RR office
John K 15
James H 14
Wilson H 6
Richard W 2 2/10
Chambersburg map of 1868 - Property of James G. ELDER, near RR Station
Photo of Cemetery marker (Cedar Grove Cemetery, 2295 Philadelphia Ave, Chambersburg) map
Col. James G. ELDER (1822-1882)
Richard W. ELDER:
Birth: Oct. 28, 1917 Chambersburg, Franklin County, Pennsylvania, USA
Death: Jan. 6, 1995 Coatesville ,Chester County, Pennsylvania, USA
"Richard W. Elder, 77, of the Coatesville Veterans Administration Hospital's nursing care unit, died at 2:15 a.m. Friday morning, Jan. 6, 1995, following a long illness. Born Oct. 28, 1917, in Chambersburg, he was a son of the late John W. and Elizabeth Kramer Elder.
While living in Chambersburg, he attended Zion Reformed Church.
After graduating from Chambersburg High School in 1935, he joined the U.S. Navy.
Surviving are two brothers, Wilson H. of Chambersburg and
James H. of Leader Nursing and Rehabilitation Center, and 10 nephews and nieces.
He was preceded in death by a brother and a sister. "
Cemetery photo - ANNIE C GROVE ELDER
Annie C Grove Elder
Birth: Aug. 14, 1870
Death: Jan. 24, 1902
wife to William D Elder
JAMES ELDER (1712-1818) DAR patriot, by Margaret Rice Mabbutt, Member #399578, Richland, Washington
4 page handwritten papers:
Thanks to Carolyn Shearer:
Marriage Records, Old Swede’s Church, Philadelphia History of Old Swede's Church
1778, May 23, Elder, Andrew, and Bridgeth McNamara.
1778, Feb. 12, Elder, Charles, and Elizabeth Nicholson.
1788, Oct. 7, Elder, David, and Sarah Chester.
1759, March 5, Elder, James, and Elisabet Maips.
1759, June 25, Elder, Robert, and Elizabeth Thomson.
James Elder Kerr, William Alexander Kerr, Ross County, Ohio
Transcribed by Larry Cornwell:
Received ELDER 12 Marker Report from FamilyTreeDNA.com - all 3 kits matched exactly.
See Donna Logan's ELDER DNA results webpage:
Donna's explanation webpage:
See FamilyTreeDNA lab info: http://www.ftdna.com
1. 10042-H (from John Elder b. 1805 PA - lived in Wood Co OH 1825-1863.
JAMES/ROBERT/JOSEPH of Franklin Co PA)
2. 10261-W (from James ELDER d.1843 North Carolina)
3. 10277-R (from William ELDER b. 1784 North Carolina)
12 NUMBERS to be placed on the DNA CHARTS in FTDNA .com order for
13 24 15 10 10 14 12 12 12 13 13 29
Paper trails have been followed to identify
current ELDER relatives who could match descendants of
JAMES ELDER (1712-1818) d. in Franklin County PA.
Book in Library of Congress:
Rowe, David Watson.
A sketch of the 126th Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteers / prepared by an officer,
and sold for the benefit of the Franklin County Soldiers' Monumental Association.
Chambersburg, Pa. : Cook & Hays, 1869.
89 p. ; 23 cm.
Notes: Attributed to D.W. Rowe.
From "Valley of the Shadow" webpage history:
"A Sketch of the 126th Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteers, "
Prepared by an Officer, and Sold for the
Benefit of the Franklin County Soldiers' Monumental Association," 1869
Summary: This regimental history follows the 126th Regiment Pennsylvania Volunteers
(composed mostly of Franklin County men) from its formation in summer 1862,
through its heavy losses on the heights of Fredericksburg and at Chancellorsville,
to the end of its term of service in May 1863...."
JAMES ELDER, Franklin Co PA Land Warrants, Fannett Twp, 1762 and
JAMES ELDER > son John (b. 1756 PA- d. 1834 NC)> son William
b. 1784 NC:
William Harrison ELDER of North Carolina has line description
closely matching ROBIN BRYSON, on Ancestry World CONNECT:
Selection for origin with JAMES ELDER [of Franklin co PA] (1712-1818)
WorldConnect: Robin Bryson e-mail: <NOELROBN@bellsouth.net>
* Name: James ELDER
* Given Name: James
* Surname: Elder
* Sex: M
* Birth: Mar 1766
* Death: 27 Apr 1843
* Burial: Springfield Friends Church Cemetary, High Point, Guilford Co., NC
Father: James ELDER b: 1712 in Lough Neagh, Co. Antrim, Ulster, Ireland
[d. Franklin Co PA 1818]
Mother: Elizabeth MAIPS b: 1714-1724 in PA
Marriage 1 Hannah CLARK b: 24 Oct 1779
* Married: 1790
1. Clark ELDER b: 30 Jan 1806
2. Elizabeth ELDER b: 24 Jun 1800
3. Mary ELDER b: 1813 in Randolph Co., NC
4. Nancy ELDER b: 24 Jan 1804 in Trinity, Randolph Co., NC
5. John ELDER b: 15 Jan 1808 in Randolph Co., NC
1. Abbrev: NC Tombstone Records, Vol. I, II, III
Title: NC Tombstone Records, Vol. I, II, III
Author: Alexnder Martin Chapter DAR, Mrs. John S. Welborn
Publication: Mrs. John S. Welborn-Chairman of Genealogical Records, High Point, NC
Page: Volume II, Page 259
James (son of Robert, 2; Will in York Co PA, of 1788) is Executor for brother John's Will of 1757:
From Egle's "Pennsylvania Genealogies":
II. ROBERT ELDER,2 (Robert,1) b. in 1704, in Scotland; m. and had issue:
i. John, b. 1730; d. December, 1756, in Hanover; probably unm.
6. ii. Robert, b. 1732; m. Mary Taylor.
iii. Samuel, b. 1734; m. Mary Robinson.
iv. Isabel, b. 1736; m. Adam Breaden, concerning whom we have no record.
v. David, b. 1738; m. and removed, late in life, to Ohio, where he died. He had, among other chiidren, Joshua and Robert.
vi. Elizabeth, b. 1740.
(James b. before 1730? Lee Elder's List)
Another JAMES ELDER of PERTH
WorldConnect by Dennis Fullerton:
Name: Margaret Mary ELDER
Given Name: Margaret Mary
Birth: Abt 1726 in Ireland
Death: Aft 1765 in Newville Twp, Cumberland CO., PA
Burial: Big Spring Presbyterian Church Newville, PA
Father: James ELDER b: 26 Jun 1684 in Perth, Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth TAIT b: in Scotland
Marriage 1 Thomas SHARP b: Oct 1721 in Ireland
1. Mary Jane SHARP b: Abt 1749 in IRELAND
2. Alexander SHARP b: in Ireland
3. John SHARP b: in Ireland
4. Andrew SHARP b: Abt 1753 in Cumberland CO., PA
From Carolyn Shearer, found on LDS:
Baptisms, Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Christening: 07 JAN 1750
THOMAS SHARP Mother: MARGARET ALDER
Christening: 13 NOV 1751
THOMAS SHARP Mother: MARGARET ELDER
Christening: 19 NOV 1751
THOMAS SHARP Mother: MARGARET ALDER
Birth: 12 JUN 1782
Christening: 14 JUN 1782
Father: JOHN SHARP Mother: ISABELL MCBRIDE
Birth: 22 FEB 1761 Christening: 27 FEB 1761
JAMES SHARP Mother: CHARITY MCCONCHIE
Birth: 16 JAN 1770
Christening: 18 JAN 1770
Father: JOHN SHARP Mother: ISABELL MCBRIDE
Christening: JUL 1753 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: THOMAS SHARP Family Mother: MARGARET ELDER
Christening: 12 APR 1750 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: WILLIAM SHARP Mother: ISOBEL CAMPELL
Christening: 20 AUG 1778 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: JOHN SHARP Mother: ISABELL MCBRIDE
Christening: 03 MAR 1746 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: JAMES SHARP Mother: MARGARET BADEN
Birth: 29 OCT 1771
Christening: 29 OCT 1771 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: JOHN SHARP Mother: ISABELL MCBRIDDAN
Christening: 17 JUN 1780 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
WILLIAM SHARP Mother: MARGARET MCNICHOLL
Christening: 16 MAY 1780 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
JOHN SHARP Mother: ISABELL MCBRIDE
Birth: 13 MAR 1786 Christening: 17 MAR 1786 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
WILLIAM SHARP Mother: MARGARET MCNICHOLL
Christening: 07 APR 1748 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: THOMAS SHARP Mother: MARGARET ALDER
Christening: 19 JUL 1758 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Father: WILLIAM Mother: ISOBELL CAMPBELL
From: Susan Eppich <SpeCreatMusicEpp@mindspring.com>
Subject: Elder family in Kilspindie, Perth.Sct
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:17:03 -0800
Posted on: Perthshire<br>Scotland Queries
Surname: Elder, Tait
> I have been on the Perth list for several months, but this
is my first posting.
> Recently I was sent information concerning my 6th great grandmother, Margaret
Elder, stating that she was the
daughter of James Elder and Elizabeth Tait of Kilspindie,
Perth, Scotland. She was christened 18 October 1724.
Other children of this couple were Thomas 1716, Andrew 1720,
Patrick 1726, William 1728, Elizabeth 1732.
> These records are not online yet at familysearch.org for me to check. I
would like to check other sources in Kilspindie to verify this information.
Is anyone on the
list from the Kilspindie area or researching ancestors from there? I would
appreciate any ideas or suggestions.
>This researcher felt that this was our elusive ancestor as
her husband, Thomas Sharp, was also from Kilspindie. They were md in 1745
in Antrim. Any information on this Thomas
Sharp's parentage, family would also be appreciated.
>We may still not be on the correct path, but it does make
sense that Thomas and Margaret would come from the same
>Thanks for all the ideas and information that you all share.
I will be glad for any direction or sources to check.
----Susan Eppich-USA- Researching Sharp, Elder, Ralston, McCulley
FamilyTrail.com - ELDER Researchers - Archives
443 - Susan Carol McCulley Eppich
"Thomas Sharp/Margaret Elder of Shippensburg,
Franklin and Cumberland counties PA.
They were born in early 1720s and recently found them in Kilspindie, Perth, Scotland,
children of John Sharp and Margaret Donnell/Donald
and James Elder and Elizabeth Tait.
They had 10 children, the five older ones born in Antrim, NI
and Campbeltown, Arg, SCT, the younger in PA."
CENSUS in ARGYLL, Scotland
Margaret Strand of Moss, Norway:
PERTH location-- in Errol: CRAIG, SYMOND, CONSTABLE, ELDER, TAIT, STRACHAN and related families.
(Old Scottish Registers for location of Errol, Perthshire, Scotland: JAMES ELDER 26 Jun 1684 - father: JOHN)
"Carse of Gowrie" on Firth of Tay, near PERTH
Also see ROBERT ELDER in biographical sketch (d.1807 Fannett Township,
Franklin Co PA)
"...was born near PERTH on the Tay, Scotland, migrating about 1737 to the vicinity of Lough Inch or Lough Swilly,
County Donegal, Ireland, from that point emigrating to...Pennsylvania...."
ELDER - PERTH research:
Gary Morrison's JAMES ELDER - ROBERT ELDER list:
136. Robert Elder, Jr., born Abt. 1807 in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania; died Aft. 1880. He was the
son of 272. Robert Elder, Sr. and 273. Mary A. Dempsey. He married 137. Rachel McKinnis Bef. 1828 in
Jackson County, Ohio.
Mrs. Martha Couffer Robinson
(Used Wrong DAR Ancestor: Samuel Elder, d. 1847, son of Robert
Elder, d. 1807, Rev. War Soldier)
DAR Member #296000
Her ancestor is actually :
SAMUEL ELDER, d. 1844, Peters Twp, Franklin Co PA
SAMUEL's WILL of 1844 received on April 16, 2005, from Franklin Co PA Courthouse, Chambersburg.
Children listed in WILL: James, Eliza, Maria, Oliver, Alexander, Elias, Margaret