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Egle, William Henry, 1830-1901.
     Parson Elder :  a biographical sketch.
 Harrisburg, Pa., T. F. Scheffer, printer, 1871.
 21 p. illus. 28 cm.  [Microfiche]
 Notes: "Thirty copies, privately printed, No.2."
 Inscribed and signed by the author.
"To Historical Society of Penna. With the Compliments of William H. Egle."
 Elder, John, 1706-1792.
Paxton Presbyterian Church (Paxtang, Pa.)
 Pennsylvania History Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775
State Library of PA
Location:  Forum Room 102 - Main Closed Stacks Reference
Call Number:  974.802 EL22Z Eg5
 Historical Society of Pennsylvania, in Phila.
  Library catalog:
  I thought at first that one of the pages was
a sample of Rev. John Elder's handwriting, but maybe it's
 someone else-- two paragraphs, handwritten, titled:
"Two Sermons by John Elder, Uncle of Parson Elder"
One dated MDCCXXV and one MDCCXXVII
 so that's 1725   and       1727 I believe.

"Reasons For Moderation In the present Debates amongst Presbyterians in the North Of Ireland.
By John Elder, M.A., Minister of the Gospel (Quotation)
Belfast: Printed by James Blow, and are to be Sold at his Shope, MDCCXXV."

"A Letter To the Reverend Mr. Robert McBride;
Occasion'd by his pretending to defend Mr. Elder's Suspension, and
by devers injurious Reflections cast upon Mr. Elder, in his late Pamphlet,
Ens..the Overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725, set in a fair Light, etc.
By John Elder A.M., Minister of the Gospel. (Quotation).
 Belfast, Printed by James Blow, and be Sold at his Shope."

  Is UNCLE JOHN ELDER really living in Ireland?

Searching on for: "James Blow" Belfast
Institute of Ulster-Scots Studies, bibliography:
"Elder, John, Reasons for moderation: in the present debates amongst
Presbyterians in the north of Ireland (Belfast, Printed by  James Blow, 1725). "
  (The second title doesn't come up anywhere online yet.)

Excerpts from "Parson ELDER, a biographical sketch":
Page one:
..."Of the early life and boyhood of the Rev. John ELDER we know but little, and we are also deprived of that satsifaction which is frequently afforded in tracing the ancestry of distinguished men.  He was born in the year 1706, in the city of Edinburgh, although his father, Robert Elder, a well-to-do farmer, had previously settled and resided in the county of Antrim in the north of Ireland.  Robert Elder removed with many others, to America, in the year 1730, leaving behind him his son John, the eldest of his children, who was left with his uncle, the Rev. John Elder, of Edinburg, to complete his studies in the University, where he graduated with credit, and in 1732 received his license as a preacher...."

so  Uncle John could be "of Edinburg" but living in N. Ireland, as well as Rev. John in 1727?

Page 5:
"He was thought by the Indians to possess a charmed life, for on more than one occasion, when aim had been taken, the ball was thought by the Indians to be turned aside by the Good Spirit."

Page 18 (the only mention I could find of his sons):
 "Several of his sons filled honorable positions in the Continental army, doing valiant service for the cause of independence."

Page 21:
"The MSS notes of his sermons in the possession of the Dauphin County Historical Society, will favorably compare with those of the majority of the divines of his day."
  "Whether, therefore, we regard him as the teacher of the principles of the old Covenanters, the sympathizing and affectionate Pastor, or the brave and heroic captain at the head of his indomitable Rangers, fighting for the preservation of their homes and the lives of their wives and little ones, in whatever view, he presents to our mind the same bright and shining light, amid the darkness and the gloom which overshadowed the frontiers of the Province of Pennsylvania from 1740 for twenty-five yers.  Firm, but yet wrm hearted, commanding in his mein and bearing, still not obtruding, serving his God faithfully and well in his day and generation, he was ever alive to the wants and requirements not only of his flock but of the community."

Searching for more online entries about "James Blow" printer of Belfast,
found mention of a "Revd John McBride" in bio of James Kirkpatrick:
"In 1706 he accepted a call from the Belfast congregation as colleague to the Revd John McBride. The Belfast congregation, which had grown rapidly, numbered more than three thousand members. McBride was a non-abjurer; that is, he had refused to take the oath abjuring the claims to the throne of James II's son. At the time of Kirkpatrick's call McBride had fled to Scotland to avoid arrest. He had suggested that the original Belfast congregation should be divided and a second meeting house built. Eventually, after complicated negotiations, the Belfast church did just that. A new meeting house was built immediately behind the first as the home of Kirkpatrick's Second congregation. "
[Belfast]: [James Blow]: 1713 - first (only) edition.. 4to (7.75" x 6.5"); black quarter leather; marbled boards; gilt spine; pp. xvi, 564, [12 (index)]; a few small worm holes; inner hinges strengthened; title page trimmed to ruled lines and relaid; edges of several pages repaired with archival tissue; boards worn with approx. 1" square section of marbled paper missing; leading edge of pages trimmed with partial loss of occasional page number or part number; a very rare book, published anonymously with no place or printers name, it was one of the first books printed in Belfast and is valuable for its many important documents and facts of the state of affairs in Ireland during the reign of Queen Anne; Bradshaw 4843. Good.. HISTORY, IRELAND, THEOLOGY, CHURCH HISTORY. (Inventory #299)
$ 1000.00
Library of Congress:
 Brooke, Peter.
Ulster Presbyterianism : the historical perspective, 1610-1970 / Peter Brooke.
 Ireland : Gill and Macmillan ; New York : St. Martin's Press, c1987.
 xi, 259 p. ; 22 cm.
Libraries: Orbis: UO, UP,UW,Central WashUniv.,Evergreen
In genealogy of Edgar Allen POE:
John Poe (born: date unknown - died: 1756 in Baltimore, Maryland)
and Jane McBride Poe (Born: @1706, in Ballymony, County Antrim, Ireland - died: July 17, 1802 in Baltimore, Maryland. Married: Sept. 1741)
"John and Jane Poe emigrated to America in 1749 or 1750. Living for a time in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, they moved to Baltimore about 1755. Jane is presumed to be the daughter of the Reverend Robert McBride. Her brother was Admiral John McBride. "
*Elder, William Voss, III, manuscript notes based of Poe family documents, sent to A. G. Rose, May 8, 1978.
* Phillips, Mary E., Edgar Allan Poe: The Man, Chicago: John C. Winston Company,1926. (Especially pages 1-43.)
* Quinn, Arthur Hobson, Edgar Allan Poe: A Critical Biography, New York: Appleton-Century Company, 1942.
* Thomas, Dwight and David K. Jackson, The Poe Log, Boston: G. K. Hall & Co, 1987.
Online article:
Colonial Scots-Irish Immigrants: The Irish Records - Presbyterian Ministers
 By Kyle J. Betit
"Some Scots-Irish immigrants to North America in the 1700s were accompanied by their Presbyterian ministers from Ireland. In these cases, tracing the origins of the minister with whom an immigrant was associated can be useful to determining the immigrant's origins.
 William F. Marshall's Ulster Sails West contains a list (with some details) of ministers who came from Ulster to America (FHL #1036618 item 10). Other important resources are:
 1.James and Samuel G. McConnell's Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church, 1613-1840 (FHL
      #994080 item 5), which excludes dissenting ministers;
 2. Adam Loughridge's Fasti of the Irish Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland;
 3. A History of Congregations in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland. These books sometimes
      indicate emigration to America. "
Antrim info:
The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has microfilmed almost all of the surviving registers for the Presbyterian congregations of  the nine counties of Ulster, Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry (Derry) and Tyrone. A number of early original Presbyterian
        registers and records are held by the Presbyterian Historical Society for congregations from both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic."
Trinity College in Dublin:
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Author  Elder, John, Rev.
Title  A letter to the Reverend Mr. Robert Mc-Bride; Occasion'd by
his pretending to defend Mr. Elder's suspension, and by divers
injurious reflections cast upon Mr. Elder, in his late Pamphlet,
entitled "The Overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725. set
in a fair light, &c." / by John Elder A.M., Minister of the Gospel.
Publisher Belfast : Printed by James Blow, and are to be sold at his
shop, 1727.
Bib Id  39843
Physical details 44p ; 18 cm. (8vo)
Subject Presbyterianism
Location Shelfmark Loan Type Availability
BPB Collection  BPB1727.1
 Consultation Only  Available  1  0
BPB Collection  BPB1727.5
 Consultation Only  Available  1  0
BPB Collection  BPB1727.6
Author  Elder, John, Rev.
Title  Reasons for moderation in the present debates amongst the
presbyterians in the North of Ireland /
 by John Elder, M.A., Minister of the Gospel.
Publisher Belfast : Printed by James Blow, and are to be sold at his
shop, 1725.
Bib Id  34841
Physical details viii, 108p ; 8vo.
Subject Presbyterianism
Location Shelfmark Loan Type
BPB Collection  BPB1725.6/Pamphlet Book 95
 Consultation Only  Available

Author  McBride, Robert, Rev.
Title  The overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725 : Set in
a fair light: in answer to Mr. Higginbothom's late print, entitled,
Reasons against the Overtures. Wherein a letter in M.S. subscribed J.
Boyse, Coppy'd, and spread by Mr. Higginbothom, is also consider'd.
The General Synod's Principles and Practice, vindicated.
Mr. Nevin's Exclusion, and Mr. Elder's Suspension, defended, and the
Non-Confessing Controversy laid open. The whole dedicated to the
Presbytery of Rout / by Robert M'Bride, Minister of the Gospel : To
which is added, a letter from a worthy Minister in the same
Prebytery, known for modesty and moderation.
Publisher Belfast : Printed by Robert Gardner, 1726.
Bib Id  39850
Physical details xii, 13-72p, 1-19 (Appendix) ; 19 cm. (4to)
Subject Presbyterianism
Location Shelfmark Loan Type
BPB Collection  BPB1726.2
 Consultation Only  Available