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Property inheritency |
Nisbet generations may have had many sons but
oldest living son would inherit property and if the oldest son had
children before he died it would pass on to them as
inheritency descends If there was only daughters they became heir portioners and property was divided between them-usually their husbands could not inherit but their children did If there were no children it would pass back to his brothers with his next youngest brother 1st in line and down to youngest then up to oldest and if no brothers to his sisters (inheritency descends)What then became of the other sons--
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| Nisbets of Greenholm |
NISBET Of Greenholm, a family of a good old standing in
the shire of Ayr, descended of Nisbet of that Ilk,
carries argent, three boars' heads erased within a bordure
sable; crest, a boar's head as the former; with this motto, Vis
fortibus arma, as in Plate of Achievements. Of this family is NISBET
Of Carphin, and Mr ALEXANDER NISBET,
Chirurgeon in Edinburgh, who carries argent, three boars' heads
erased sable, within a bordure invected gules, for his
difference; crest and motto, as Greenholm. Plate of Achievements. Alexander Nisbet, : A System of Heraldry, Speculative and Practical: With the True Art of Blazon; According to the Most Approved Heralds in Europe: Illustrated with Suitable Examples of the Most Considerable Surnames and Families in Scotland, &c. Edinburgh: 1722. DNA proves that it is not from a
male line of Nisbet of this Ilk
and they could still be descended from Nisbet of that Ilk through a female Nisbet of that Ilk by marriage to a Male Nisbet of Greenholm |
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There are at least 3 Greenholm descendant lines |
we forget the ladies and always think this is a male line as name is Nisbet |
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Original line before 1558 |
1 James Nisbet of Greenholm + ca 1514 II Robert Nisbet of Greenholm + ca 1519 x Margaret Blair + after? 1553 (Margaret 20s in (Sorne) (Greenholm?) in liferent which would then revert when she died) Robert inherited 40s lands of Grenholme. 40s lands of Auchinruglane. 40s lands of Sornhill. 40s lands of Mylryg. 40s lands of Sorne
III James Nisbet of Greenholm +bef 1553 and lands were divided between his sisters (last of this male line) references for above James Nisbet of Greenholm died about 1514 James Nesbit (born circa 1457 - d. circa 1514) was granted sasine to Greenholme, Auchinruglane, Sornhill, Sorne in 1496 (Exchequer Rolls, Volume 10 (1488 - 1496) page 772).
Robert Nesbit (b. ca. 1480 - d. ca. 1518), son and heir of James Nesbit, was granted sasine to Auchinrugland in 1514 (Exchequer Rolls, Volume 14 (1513 - 1522) page 567). Robert Nesbit is mentioned in various sources until Dec. 28, 1517. He was succeeded by his son Sasine
registered 1529 #100 Instrument narrating that the above Charles Campble, sheriff of Air, in terms of a precept from the King, passed to the lands of grenholm, and there on the ground gave sasine of the 40s lands of Grenholme. 40s lands of Auchinruglane. 40s lands of Sornhill. 40s lands of Mylryg. 40s lands of Sorne, in the lordship of Galstoun, within the sheriffdom of Air, bailiary of Kylestewart, to Robert Nesbit, son and heir of the late James Nesbit of Grenholme, according to the old infeftment. Done on the lands of Grenholme - - - November 1514. Witnesses, William Johnston, John Johnston, James Walker and James Henryson and Adam Talzeour--Protocol book of Gavin Ros Ayr Lanark 1512-1532 Robert was
married to Margaret Blair (mentioned
below with 20s of lands of Sorne which was no doubt her liferent
after Robert)
survived by only one son James and two
daughters (Margaret and and no doubt Mariota)
James Nisbet son of Robert took
over 1519 inn 1523 Murdock Nisbet was proclaimed his tutor which meant he was under the age of 14 There was a dispute about who should have been his tutor between
John and
Murdoch Nisbet (probably not uncles
but fathers 1st 2nd or third
cousins maybe even more distant who knows (MAYBE
there were no close relations on fathers side to be found so these were
relations onn mothers side ) if they were
uncles there shouldn't have been a dispute as oldest would have
automatically have had right to be his tutor) resolved in 1523 so they both must have considered themselves
equal to get guardianship which was usually the childs fathers nearest male
relative preferably on fathers side.The
courts result was proclaimed in Ayr and also to be served in Lanark
which to me would indicate that one of them was in Ayr and one in Lanark .info from Protocol book
of Gavin Ros Ayr Lanark 1512-1532 1520 Instrument narrating that John Camble of Litill Sexnok, depute of the sheriff of Are, sitting as judge in the Tolbooth of Are, of consent of John Nesbit, purserer, and Murdoc Nesbyt, defender, continued a brieve of tutory of James Nesbyt, son and heir of the late Robert Nesbyt of Greneholm, until the next court, without prejudice of any party. Done in said Tolbooth at the hour of causes 17 April 1520. Witnesses: Mr Robert Chamer, Patrick Maxwell of Newark and others -Protocol book of Gavin Ros Ayr Lanark 1512-1532
1520 1523
-Protocol book of Gavin Ros Ayr Lanark 1512-1532 James above who was born between 1509 and 1519 died sometime before ca 1568 as that is when his sister who had inherited some of his property died He had two surviving sisters the oldest Margaret married to John Nisbet of Braidley and she must have died about 1568 when her son Alexander inherited The other sister is Mariota
married to John Lockhart and mother is Margaret Blair-
see Auchinrugland below)
younger than Margaret as Margaret is called
senioris sororis
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Nov 1578 Alexander Nisbett heir of his mother Margreta
senioris sororis et alterius de heredibus portionariis quondam
Jacobus de Greinholme --- in 40 solidatis land of
Greenholm with molendo granario et fullonario �40 solidatis lands of
Mylnerig�20 solidatis land of
Sorne�30 solidatis lands of Sornhill old
extinct in the bailiary of Kylestewart Ayr-Retours
Service of Heirs and this ends this male line as owners or Greenholme
but doesn't mean this branch is extinct as there may be many descendants of this original Greenholm male line |
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Braidley/Bredlie line from 1568 MAYBE a new male line or he and Margaret COULD have been related |
NEW MALE LINE from 1578 probably DNA group 2 Margaret married to John Nisbet from Braidley would have inherited on death of her brother in about before 1553 she died about 1568 and her son Alexander inherited after her registered in 1578 her father Robert Nisbet and mother was Margaret Blair
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Nov 1578 Alexander Nisbett heir of his mother Margreta
senioris sororis et alterius de heredibus portionariis quondam
Jacobus de Greinholme --- in 40 solidatis land of
Greenholm with molendo granario et fullonario �40 solidatis lands of
Mylnerig�20 solidatis land of
Sorne�30 solidatis lands of Sornhill old
extinct in the bailiary of Kylestewart Ayr-Retours
Service of Heirs December 5, 1578.-- There is no doubt that Alexander was the son of Margreta Nisbet sister of James Nisbet of Greenholm and her husband was John Nisbet of Braidley It is also almost a 100% sure that Alexander's father was John Nesbit in Braidley since Andrews surname is Nisbet (these are the same lands that Robert Nisbet son of James Nisbet took over in 1514 minus 40s of lands of Auchinrugland) Which means many of the Nisbets who say they are descended from GREENHOLM are actually descended from BRAIDLEY He and Margaret could have been related and came from same branch of Greenholm another document that mentions this Braidley line in 1609 is Sasine 4 Dec 1607 Margaret Nisbet daughter of Alexander husband is Hugh Campbell HC of Auchruglen William son of John Nisbet in Braidlie Ayr Johns wife is Helen-Stewart Sasine Ayr vol3-2-Jan-1626
SASINE November
16 1772
There
is a pedigree stated to have been presented to John Hooke Campbell, Lyon
King of Arms showing that
David Nisbett of Greenholme residing in
London in 1787 exhibited the original title.deeds of the estate
of Greenholm in County of Ayr for vouching the descent of his family�but
it was never registered
Monument
erected by David born 1742 married in 1773 so erected after 1773
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| Auchinrugland |
1553.-- Hugh Campbell of Loudoun buys 40s in Aughinrugland 20s Sorne 10s Sornehill from Mariota Nesbit and her husband, John Lockhart. Margaret Blair, mother of Mariota Nesbit, was occupying the 20 pound land of Sorne...... Among those attesting this charter was John Lockhart of Bar and John Lockhart his father. 1553 is date as well as date registered |
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Knevoklaw line became descendents of Greenholm
on mothers side from 1636 but where
also then the |
George
Nisbet son of Hew Nisbet Knevoklaw married
Janet dtr of Alexander Nisbet of Greenholm (1636) Sasine Ayr (index 4) 20 Jan 1636 Isobel M'Meth relict of Alexander Nisbet of Greinholme (Braidlie line) mentions daughters Agnes. Isobel and Janet who is married to George Nisbet of Nevoklaw son of Hew Nisbet and also mentions James Nisbet younger of Greinholme Testament 10 Dec 1674 NISBIT Margarat daughter to umquhile John Nisbet in Knewocklaw, parish of Loudoun
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unknown
one of above |
Sasine 26 Mar 1633 James Nisbet married to Jean Hamilton sometime in
Feoche afterwards in Ireland this document is
posted on this website under sasines and I see no mention to Greenholm
but to Ladietoun There is a connection between Ladietoun and Carfin also believe this is family that was in Raphoe Ireland as well as Hardhill
James Nisbet of Ladietoun mentioned in will of Hugh Nisbet merchant Kilmarnock 1676 this Hugh is connected to Raphoe Ireland testament 29 Mar 1690 James Neisbet of Ladietoun parish of Loudoun given up by his brother german Archibald of Carphin died February 1681 and was a young man and unmarried connected to merchants and tradesmen Glasgow24-May-1677- George Nisbet -glasswright-B -as serving apprentice with James Elphinstone glasswright B and Guild Brother- (This George is son to George Nisbet paroch of Rapho and countie of Dunigall in Ireland -Rec.Trades Ho., p 431)
Hugh Nisbet Kilmarnock merchant testament
16 Oct 1676 says he is brother of George Nisbet senior glasswright in Glasgow
who is his executor Also mentioned in this will as either debitors or Creditors is James Nisbet Ladietoun, Alexander Nisbet Knewochlaw and John Nisbet of Hardhill Mybe also connected to Cairnhill
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| Arms of Greenholm and Carfin |
We know from above that in 1700's David Nisbet did a lot of research to
document his descendence from Greenholm We also know he petitioned the Lord Lyon to get it registered and we know it was never registered This indicates in my opinion that it was not excepted by the court The Nisbets of Carfin are suppose to be related and they had arms but they are registered elsewhere and not in Scotland which could also indicate they would not have been accepted I don't know if they ever petitioned in Scotland for arms or where their arms were registered The original arms of Greenholm belonged to Murdoch Nisbet of the original Greenholm line who claimed to be from Nisbet of that Ilk |