79851028. Hugh de Baliol
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), line 44-1.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 11.
79851029. Cicely de Fontaines
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), line 44-1.
79851031. Lady Margaret de Huntingdon
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 94-27.
79851032. Hugh IX de Lusignan Count of La Marche & Lusignan
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 123-28.
79851033. Agatha de Preuilly Countess de Lusignan
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 117-27.
79851034. Aymer de Taillefer Count of Angoulême
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 153-27.
79851035. Alix de Courtenay Countess of Angoulême
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 117-26.
79851036. Sir William de Munchensi
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 175 (de Munchensi).
79851040. Theobald le Botiller Lord Botiller
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 46 (Butler of Ireland).
2Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), XII/2:246 (Verdun).
3Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans, 46 (Butler of Ireland).
79851048. Sir Maurice fitz Gerald 2nd Baron of Offaly
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), line 144-4.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 178-5.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 178-5.
4Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 178-5.
5Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 178-5.
79851054. Maurice fitz Thomas fitz Maurice Baron of Kerry & Lixnaw
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 213.
79851055. Elena fitz Elie
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 213.
79851060. William de Fiennes Baron de Fiennes
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 152-27.
79851061. Lady Isabel
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 85 (de Fiennes).
79851062. Jacques de Condé Seigneur de Condé
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 152-28.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 106.
79851102. Walter fitz Robert Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Dear Newsgroup ~ [snip] The following immigrants (and probably many others) descend from Ela de Herdeburgh: 1. Robert Abell (twice).
"From: Douglas Richardson
Subject: New Descent from King Henry II through Herdeburgh, Boteler, le Strange, & Longford families
Date: 2001-09-25 10:53:00 PST
2. Grace Chetwode.
3. Anne & Katherine Marbury.
4. Richard More, of Mayflower.
5. John Oxenbridge.
6. Grey & Diana Skipwith. - - - - - - - - The new descent from King Henry II is presented below:
l. Henry II, King of England, by a mistress, Ida.
2. William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, married Ela Fitz Patrick.
3. Ida Longespee, married Walter Fitz Robert, Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex.
4. Ela Fitz Walter, married William de Odingsells.
5. Ida de Odingsells, married (1st) Roger de Herdeburgh; (2nd) John de Clinton.
6. Ela de Herdeburgh, married (1st) Walter de Hopton, Knt.; (2nd) William le Boteler, of Wem and Oversley, Shropshire. For further details of this descent, see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah."
79851103. Ida Longespée
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Dear Newsgroup ~ [snip] The following immigrants (and probably many others) descend from Ela de Herdeburgh: 1. Robert Abell (twice).
"From: Douglas Richardson
Subject: New Descent from King Henry II through Herdeburgh, Boteler, le Strange, & Longford families
Date: 2001-09-25 10:53:00 PST
2. Grace Chetwode.
3. Anne & Katherine Marbury.
4. Richard More, of Mayflower.
5. John Oxenbridge.
6. Grey & Diana Skipwith. - - - - - - - - The new descent from King Henry II is presented below:
l. Henry II, King of England, by a mistress, Ida.
2. William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, married Ela Fitz Patrick.
3. Ida Longespee, married Walter Fitz Robert, Baron of Little Dunmow, Essex.
4. Ela Fitz Walter, married William de Odingsells.
5. Ida de Odingsells, married (1st) Roger de Herdeburgh; (2nd) John de Clinton.
6. Ela de Herdeburgh, married (1st) Walter de Hopton, Knt.; (2nd) William le Boteler, of Wem and Oversley, Shropshire. For further details of this descent, see the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah."2Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Thank you for your latest post regarding the Mowbray family. Having
"From: Douglas Richardson
Subject: Corrected Mowbray Royal Ancestry for Robert Abell, Richard More & John Oxenbridge
Date: 2001-10-08 21:53:17 PST
Dear Chris ~
carefully reviewed the citations you provide below, it is clear that
John de Mowbray, 4th Lord Mowbray's first children by his wife,
Elizabeth de Segrave, were a daughter, Eleanor, born in 1364, and a
son, John, born in 1365. This is spite of the fact that John and
Elizabeth were married in 1349 and probably consumated their marriage
by 1353. As for Margaret Mowbray, wife of Sir Reginald Lucy, she had to be
least age 7 for her to consent to her marriage in 1369. This means
that Margaret Mowbray was born in or before 1362. If correct, then it
is chronologically impossible for her to have been the daughter of
John de Mowbray by Elizabeth de Segrave. Rather, it would appear that Margaret Mowbray belongs in the previous
generation of the Mowbray family, as daughter of John de Mowbray, 3rd
Lord Mowbray (born 1310, died 1361), by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth de
Vere, daughter of John de Vere, 7th Earl of Oxford. We know for
certain that John de Mowbray, 3rd Lord Mowbray, had issue by Elizabeth
de Vere as she was pregnant with his child when they received a papal
dispensation to remain in marriage in 1351. Elizabeth de Vere was
evidently much younger than John de Mowbray, 3rd Lord Mowbray, as I
show her previous husband, Hugh de Courtenay, was born in 1327, and
died before 2 September 1349. Pushing Margaret Mowbray one generation back in the Mowbray family
deprives her of descents from Kings Edward I and Henry III. However,
she still has several interesting royal descents, among them the
following descent below: 1. Henry II, King of England, by a mistress, Ida. 2. William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, married Ela of Salisbury. 3. Ida Longespee, married William de Beauchamp, Baron of Bedford, co.
Bedford. 4. Maud de Beauchamp, married Roger de Mowbray, Baron of Thirsk, co.
York, born about 1220, died 1263. 5. Roger de Mowbray, Baron of Thirsk, co. York, born 1257, died 1297,
married Rose de Clare. 6. John de Mowbray, Baron of Axholme, co. Lincoln, Thirsk, co. York,
born 1286, died 1322, married Aline de Breuse. 7. John de Mowbray, Knt., Baron of Axholme, co. Lincoln, lord of Gower
in Wales, born 1310, died 1361, married c. 1351 Elizabeth de Vere. 8. Margaret Mowbray, married 1369, Reginald Lucy, Knt., died 1437. As for other new information, I've learned that Reginald and Margaret
(Mowbray) Lucy had a daughter (name not known) who married John
Constantine. The daughter had a son William Constantine who was
involved in a Chancery suit regarding his uncle, Walter Lucy's estate.
The citation for the suit is C1/17/403. Presumably there are living
descendants of the Lucy-Constantine marriage. Again many thanks Chris for clarifying the chronology of the Mowbray
family for us. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah."
79851108. Manfredo III di Saluzzo Marchese di Saluzzo
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 28-31.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 28-31.
79851110. George Marquis of Ceva
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 28-31.