319404464. Aubrey III de Vere 1st Earl of Oxford
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), page 187, line 154-2.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, page 187, line 154-2.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, page 187, line 154-2.
4Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, page 187, line 154-2.
319404465. Agnes de Essex Countess of Oxford
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), lines 154-2; 246-26.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, line 154-2.
319404466. Hugh II de Bolbec
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), line 120-1.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 246-27.
319404563. Bertha de Valoignes
1Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), II:447, note a.
319404576. Roger fitz Richard 1st Lord of Warkworth
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 246D-26.
319404578. William Chesney de Norwich
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 246D-27.
319404672. Godfrey III Barbutus the "Bearded," Duke of Louvaine & Brabant
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 155-23.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 158-22.
lists date of death as 1069.3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 161-23.
319404674. William de Percy lord of Topcliffe
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 161-24.
2Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), X:441 (Percy).
319404675. Alice de Tonbridge
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 161-24.
2Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), X:441 (Percy).
319404676. Adam I de Brus
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
As you have commented, K. Keats-Rohan in Domesday Descendants [p.354, 355] has listed Adam I de Brus of Skelton(d.1142) as married to Agnes of Aumale, and Adam II Brus (d.1196) as married to Juetta de Arches. This is in variance with Farrer's observations in vol. 3 of Early Yorkshire Charters in which the opposite placement is upheld. The situation is not helped by CP which claims [VII : 670] that Agnes of Aumale married William de Roumare and secondly Piers de Brus. A study of the chronology tends to support K-R's findings. Stephen de Aumale, Agnes' father, came of age in 1090, indicating that he was born about 1069. He married Hawise de Mortemer and they had 3 sons (William, Ingelram and Stephen) and 3 or 4 daughters (Matilda, Adelisa are names of two), of whom Agnes was supposedly the youngest. and succeeeded his father who had died about 1127.[CP VII : 670 ; K-R Domesday Descendants p.225]. Stephen's son and heir is mentioned in a charter of 1115. [EYC 3 ; no1304]. Assuming this is William le Gros, he was born before 1109, as he was of age in 1130. At a rough guess based on the dates of William le Gros, as a younger child Agnes would have been born between 1110-1120. This would place her more appropriately as wife of Adam I, than Adam II, as the latter was born in 1134 (of age in 1155). On the death of Adam I de Brus she had borne two sons - Adam and William. Adam the younger was placed in the custody of William le Gros, Count of Aumale. The only piece of evidence which supports a marriage between the Brus/Aumale families is the claim in 1276, on the death of Avelina de Forz without issue, some 150 years after the supposed event, of the four coheirs of Peter de Brus to the Holderness estate. Walter de Fauconberg and Agnes, Marmaduke Thweng and Lucy, Margaret widow of Robert de Ros, John de Bella Aqua and Laderina claimed to be heirs by descent from Agnes de Aumale. Agnes de Aumale married [secondly] William de Roumare and had three sons (William, Robert and Roger) by him before his death in 1151 [K-R DD : p.670]. The eldest, William later Earl of Lincoln was still a minor in 1165 so was born later than 1144. This certainly fits within the chronology as Adam I died in 1142.
"From: Rosie Bevan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Domesday Descendants corrections: Harcourt & Brus
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-05 18:38:09 PST
Hi Cris
<snip> Cheers Rosie."2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 136-25.
319404677. Agnes de Aumale
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
As you have commented, K. Keats-Rohan in Domesday Descendants [p.354, 355] has listed Adam I de Brus of Skelton(d.1142) as married to Agnes of Aumale, and Adam II Brus (d.1196) as married to Juetta de Arches. This is in variance with Farrer's observations in vol. 3 of Early Yorkshire Charters in which the opposite placement is upheld. The situation is not helped by CP which claims [VII : 670] that Agnes of Aumale married William de Roumare and secondly Piers de Brus. A study of the chronology tends to support K-R's findings. Stephen de Aumale, Agnes' father, came of age in 1090, indicating that he was born about 1069. He married Hawise de Mortemer and they had 3 sons (William, Ingelram and Stephen) and 3 or 4 daughters (Matilda, Adelisa are names of two), of whom Agnes was supposedly the youngest. and succeeeded his father who had died about 1127.[CP VII : 670 ; K-R Domesday Descendants p.225]. Stephen's son and heir is mentioned in a charter of 1115. [EYC 3 ; no1304]. Assuming this is William le Gros, he was born before 1109, as he was of age in 1130. At a rough guess based on the dates of William le Gros, as a younger child Agnes would have been born between 1110-1120. This would place her more appropriately as wife of Adam I, than Adam II, as the latter was born in 1134 (of age in 1155). On the death of Adam I de Brus she had borne two sons - Adam and William. Adam the younger was placed in the custody of William le Gros, Count of Aumale. The only piece of evidence which supports a marriage between the Brus/Aumale families is the claim in 1276, on the death of Avelina de Forz without issue, some 150 years after the supposed event, of the four coheirs of Peter de Brus to the Holderness estate. Walter de Fauconberg and Agnes, Marmaduke Thweng and Lucy, Margaret widow of Robert de Ros, John de Bella Aqua and Laderina claimed to be heirs by descent from Agnes de Aumale. Agnes de Aumale married [secondly] William de Roumare and had three sons (William, Robert and Roger) by him before his death in 1151 [K-R DD : p.670]. The eldest, William later Earl of Lincoln was still a minor in 1165 so was born later than 1144. This certainly fits within the chronology as Adam I died in 1142. Juetta de Arches married Roger de Flamville (d.1169) who held the 7 Arches knights' fees in her right in 1166. [Charles Clay (ed.) 'Early Yorkshire Families', p.2]. She had children by de Flamville but the fees eventually descended to Peter de Brus II indicating that her Brus children were her eventual heirs, not the Flamville ones. Her children by Roger Flamville were in the custody of Adam II during their minority. Adam II is known to have had two children - Piers and Isabel who married Henry de Percy. In 1193 Juetta gave land in Askham to her daughter Isabel de Brus. The charter clearly says "Noveritis me concessisse et presenti carta confirmasse Isabelle de Brus filie mee et heredibus suis totam terram de Ascham..." Farrer uncharacteristically makes the error of assuming that
"From: Rosie Bevan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Domesday Descendants corrections: Harcourt & Brus
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-05 18:38:09 PST
Hi Cris
Isabella was her granddaughter [EYC I ; no. 548, 549]. As Juetta died in 1206, she would have had to have been nearly 90 had she been mother of Adam II de Brus (b 1134). A not impossible achievement, but highly unlikely for the time and place. Cheers Rosie."
319404678. William de Arches
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 136-25.
319404716. Bertram de Verdun
1Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), XII/2:247, note b (Verdun).
2Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 249.
319404717. Margery de Lacy
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 249.
319404752. William de Vipont
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
1. William de VIPONT, of Hardingstone & Alston ( - After 1199) m. Maud de
"From: Richard Borthwick ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Vipont - Bruce
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/03/12
>
[H]ere is what I have of the Vipont family.
MOREVILLE dau. of Hugh de Moreville by Beatrice de Beauchamp
[Maud may been from the family of Thomas fitz Gospatric or daughter of Hugh
de Moreville of Oswaldkirk [DNB XX:304-05] . Turton notes that Blore makes
Maud the daughter of Roger de Moreville but rejects this in favour of
Planche's filiation to Hugh de Moreville by his wife Beatrice de Beauchamp
[TPA , 137, 142, note 145]. Stringer [Stringer 1985-1 in Stringer 1985:47]
confirms this last proposed filiation.] 2. Robert de VIPONT, of Appleby, Westmorland ( - 1228) m. Idonea de BUILLI ( -
? 1240) dau. & heir of John de Builli by Cecily de Bussy
[This and the next three generation see Sanders 1963, 103-04, 133] 3. John de VIPONT, of Appleby (About 1212 - 1241) m. (Sibyl de FERRERS dau.
of William earl of Derby by Agnes dau. of Hugh I earl of Chester)
[See TPA, 137, Burke 1883, 197. The latter has Sibyl as dau. of William earl
of Derby by his first wife Sibyl Marshal. Neither source is overly reliable,
especially the latter.] 4. Sir Robert de VIPONT, of Appleby (1233/1235 - Before 7 Jun 1264) m.
Isabel FITZ JOHN dau. & eventual coheir in her issue of John Fitz Geoffrey
by Isabel Bigod dau. Hugh earl of Norfolk
[See CP V:437] 5. Isabel de VIPONT (1254 - 1291), coheir of her father, m. Roger de
CLIFFORD ( - 6 Nov 1282)
[See CP III:290] TPA Turton *The Plantagenet Ancestry*
CP *The Complete Peerage*
Burke 1883 *Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerages*
Stringer 1985 *Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland*."
319404753. Maud de Moreville
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
1. William de VIPONT, of Hardingstone & Alston ( - After 1199) m. Maud de
"From: Richard Borthwick ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Vipont - Bruce
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1998/03/12
>
[H]ere is what I have of the Vipont family.
MOREVILLE dau. of Hugh de Moreville by Beatrice de Beauchamp
[Maud may been from the family of Thomas fitz Gospatric or daughter of Hugh
de Moreville of Oswaldkirk [DNB XX:304-05] . Turton notes that Blore makes
Maud the daughter of Roger de Moreville but rejects this in favour of
Planche's filiation to Hugh de Moreville by his wife Beatrice de Beauchamp
[TPA , 137, 142, note 145]. Stringer [Stringer 1985-1 in Stringer 1985:47]
confirms this last proposed filiation.] 2. Robert de VIPONT, of Appleby, Westmorland ( - 1228) m. Idonea de BUILLI ( -
? 1240) dau. & heir of John de Builli by Cecily de Bussy
[This and the next three generation see Sanders 1963, 103-04, 133] 3. John de VIPONT, of Appleby (About 1212 - 1241) m. (Sibyl de FERRERS dau.
of William earl of Derby by Agnes dau. of Hugh I earl of Chester)
[See TPA, 137, Burke 1883, 197. The latter has Sibyl as dau. of William earl
of Derby by his first wife Sibyl Marshal. Neither source is overly reliable,
especially the latter.] 4. Sir Robert de VIPONT, of Appleby (1233/1235 - Before 7 Jun 1264) m.
Isabel FITZ JOHN dau. & eventual coheir in her issue of John Fitz Geoffrey
by Isabel Bigod dau. Hugh earl of Norfolk
[See CP V:437] 5. Isabel de VIPONT (1254 - 1291), coheir of her father, m. Roger de
CLIFFORD ( - 6 Nov 1282)
[See CP III:290] TPA Turton *The Plantagenet Ancestry*
CP *The Complete Peerage*
Burke 1883 *Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerages*
Stringer 1985 *Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland*."
319404754. John de Builli
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 257.
319404755. Cecily de Bussy
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 257.
319404794. Robert de Quincey Constable of Leinster
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 54 (de Clare).
319404795. Basile de Clare
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 54 (de Clare).
319404804. William de Luvetot
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 139.
319404805. Cecily de Brito
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 139.