638742674. Robert the "Old" Duke of Burgundy
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 101, line 108-22.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 101, line 108-22.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 101, line 108-22.
638742675. Helie of Semur-en-Auxois Duchess of Burgundy
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 108-22.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 108-22.
638742676. Pons III de Taillefer Count of Toulouse
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 185-2.
638742677. Almodis de la Haute Marche Countess of Toulouse
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 185-2.
638742680. Hugh de Châtellérhault
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 183-2.
638742681. Gerberga de la Rochefoucauld
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 183-2.
638742682. Aimery IV Thouars Viscount de Thouars
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 183-1.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 183-1.
638742683. Aurengarde de Mauleon Viscountess de Thouars
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 183-1.
638742794. Guerin de Craôn
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Regards, Bob."
"From: Robert S Baxter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Kirton, Lincs and de Craon
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-04-21 18:17:33 PST
Adrian, the only thing I have for Bertha comes from Turton, PA, which makes
it suspect. But here goes. Bertha de Craon >Guerin de Craon c 1050>Suhard
de Craon>Lisois de Craon>Andre de Craon c 941 m Agnes. Guerin is given a
wife, Anne de Crequy>Baudouin de Crequy and Margaret deLouvaine> Ramelin II
de Crequy( I wonder if this should be Hamelin)and Alice d'Oisy>?Arnoul III
de Crequy and Adele d'Arkel>Arnoul II de Crequy and Valpurge
d'Argouens>Odoacre de Crequy and Yolande of Cleves>Arnoul I de Crequy le
Viel and Ignoude de Harlebec dtr of Odoacre of the same.
There is more if you want it.
638742795. Anne de Crequy
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Regards, Bob."
"From: Robert S Baxter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Kirton, Lincs and de Craon
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-04-21 18:17:33 PST
Adrian, the only thing I have for Bertha comes from Turton, PA, which makes
it suspect. But here goes. Bertha de Craon >Guerin de Craon c 1050>Suhard
de Craon>Lisois de Craon>Andre de Craon c 941 m Agnes. Guerin is given a
wife, Anne de Crequy>Baudouin de Crequy and Margaret deLouvaine> Ramelin II
de Crequy( I wonder if this should be Hamelin)and Alice d'Oisy>?Arnoul III
de Crequy and Adele d'Arkel>Arnoul II de Crequy and Valpurge
d'Argouens>Odoacre de Crequy and Yolande of Cleves>Arnoul I de Crequy le
Viel and Ignoude de Harlebec dtr of Odoacre of the same.
There is more if you want it.
638742840. Thurcytel de Neufmarché
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 177-3.
638742842. Richard fitz Gulbert Seigneur of Hugleville & Auffay, Normandy
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 177-3.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 177-3.
638742844. Richard fitz Scrob
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 220.
A favourite of Edward the Confessor, and one of the few Normans who was not hated by the Saxons, he was allowed to remain in England by the Godwin party in 1053. He built Richard's Castle and gave his name to it.2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 177-2.
638742845. Daughter of Robert fitz Wimarch
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 220.
638742846. Gruffydd ap Llwelyn Prince of North Wales, King of Gwynedd & Powys
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 176-2.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 176A-4.
638742847. Aldgyth (or Edith)
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 176-2.
638742876. Roger I de Montgomery Seigneur of Montgomery & Viscount d'Hiemes
1Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), XI:682 (Shrewsbury).
2Website, http://www.algonet.se/~anderzb/genea/medieval/gunnor.htm.
[Modified from an article which appeared in Dec 1996 on soc.genealogy.medieval] There have been many requests for information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:
"Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by Todd A. Farmerie
Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.
Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.
K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7. Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.
The genealogical information contained in his account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles. The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. <snip> Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.
<snip>."
638742877. Emma
1Website, http://www.algonet.se/~anderzb/genea/medieval/gunnor.htm.
[Modified from an article which appeared in Dec 1996 on soc.genealogy.medieval] There have been many requests for information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:
"Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by Todd A. Farmerie
Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.
Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.
K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7. Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.
The genealogical information contained in his account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles. The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. <snip> Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.
<snip>."
638742878. William Talvas
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 22.
"Orderic described William Talvas as perfidious, wicked, and cruel, saying that he caused two of his minions to strangle his first wife because she loved God and would have nothing to do with William's misdeeds."2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 185-1.
638742879. Hildeburge
1Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), V:686 (Shrewsbury).
638742880. William de Hainault Baron of Montfort
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 158.
638742882. William de Gometz
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 158.