638811608. Aimery V de Thouars Viscount de Thouars
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 111-25.
638811609. Agnes of Aquitaine Queen of Aragon
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 111-25.
638811612. Alan 1st Earl of Richmond
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 119-27.
638811613. Bertha of Brittany Countess of Richmond
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 119-27.
638811616. Henri, Seigneur de Fougères
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 214A-25.
638811617. Olive of Brittany
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 214A-25.
638811618. Geldouin Seigneur of Dol
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 214A-26.
638811622. Peter de Brus
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
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"Subject: Re: Hommet family
Date: 05/18/2000
Author: J.C.B.Sharp <[email protected]>
3. Peter de Bruis, confirmed the grant to la Luthumière 1155
(Gerville 234), married after 1150 Agnes daughter of Stephen count of Aumale and widow of William de Roumare II (T.Stapleton, Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniae, ii xxvii), she was the lady Annes of Burton Agnes living 1170 (EYC ii 34). Farrer was unaware of this Peter and makes her the wife of Adam de Brus II of Skelton (EYC ii 35). <<snip>> J.C.B.Sharp
London
[email protected]."2Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
As you have commented, K. Keats-Rohan in Domesday Descendants [p.354, 355] has listed Adam I de Brus of Skelton(d.1142) as married to Agnes of Aumale, and Adam II Brus (d.1196) as married to Juetta de Arches. This is in variance with Farrer's observations in vol. 3 of Early Yorkshire Charters in which the opposite placement is upheld. The situation is not helped by CP which claims [VII : 670] that Agnes of Aumale married William de Roumare and secondly Piers de Brus. A study of the chronology tends to support K-R's findings. Stephen de Aumale, Agnes' father, came of age in 1090, indicating that he was born about 1069. He married Hawise de Mortemer and they had 3 sons (William, Ingelram and Stephen) and 3 or 4 daughters (Matilda, Adelisa are names of two), of whom Agnes was supposedly the youngest. and succeeeded his father who had died about 1127.[CP VII : 670 ; K-R Domesday Descendants p.225]. Stephen's son and heir is mentioned in a charter of 1115. [EYC 3 ; no1304]. Assuming this is William le Gros, he was born before 1109, as he was of age in 1130. At a rough guess based on the dates of William le Gros, as a younger child Agnes would have been born between 1110-1120. This would place her more appropriately as wife of Adam I, than Adam II, as the latter was born in 1134 (of age in 1155). On the death of Adam I de Brus she had borne two sons - Adam and William. Adam the younger was placed in the custody of William le Gros, Count of Aumale. The only piece of evidence which supports a marriage between the Brus/Aumale families is the claim in 1276, on the death of Avelina de Forz without issue, some 150 years after the supposed event, of the four coheirs of Peter de Brus to the Holderness estate. Walter de Fauconberg and Agnes, Marmaduke Thweng and Lucy, Margaret widow of Robert de Ros, John de Bella Aqua and Laderina claimed to be heirs by descent from Agnes de Aumale. Agnes de Aumale married [secondly] William de Roumare and had three sons (William, Robert and Roger) by him before his death in 1151 [K-R DD : p.670]. The eldest, William later Earl of Lincoln was still a minor in 1165 so was born later than 1144. This certainly fits within the chronology as Adam I died in 1142. Juetta de Arches married Roger de Flamville (d.1169) who held the 7 Arches knights' fees in her right in 1166. [Charles Clay (ed.) 'Early Yorkshire Families', p.2]. She had children by de Flamville but the fees eventually descended to Peter de Brus II indicating that her Brus children were her eventual heirs, not the Flamville ones. Her children by Roger Flamville were in the custody of Adam II during their minority. Adam II is known to have had two children - Piers and Isabel who married Henry de Percy. In 1193 Juetta gave land in Askham to her daughter Isabel de Brus. The charter clearly says "Noveritis me concessisse et presenti carta confirmasse Isabelle de Brus filie mee et heredibus suis totam terram de Ascham..." Farrer uncharacteristically makes the error of assuming that
"From: Rosie Bevan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Domesday Descendants corrections: Harcourt & Brus
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-05 18:38:09 PST
Hi Cris
Isabella was her granddaughter [EYC I ; no. 548, 549]. As Juetta died in 1206, she would have had to have been nearly 90 had she been mother of Adam II de Brus (b 1134). A not impossible achievement, but highly unlikely for the time and place. Cheers Rosie."
638811814. Thierry of Alsace de Lorraine Count of Flanders
1Rupert Alen, Royal Families of Medieval Scandinavia, Flanders, and Kiev (Kings River Publications, Kingsburg, CA 1997), 69-70.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 164-25.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 129-25.
638811815. Sybil d'Anjou Countess of Flanders
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 129-25.
638811826. Henry II Count of Limbourg
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 155-25.
638811827. Matilda of Saffenburg
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 155-25.
638811831. Matilda of Boulogne Queen of England, Countess of Boulogne
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 242-31.
638811836. Andronicus Angelus Ducas
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 45-27.
2Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 215-30.
638811837. Euphrosyne Castamonita
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 45-27.
2Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 215-30.
638811838. Andronicus Comnena Emperor of the East
1Anna Comnena, The Alexiad of Anna Comnena (Penguin Books, New York, 1969), 524.
638811840. Patrick de Chaworth
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 55.
638811841. Wilberga de Mundubleil
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 55.
638814208. Robert Pincerna
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 44.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, 44.
638814209. Ivetta Helgot
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 44.
638814210. Matthew de Vilars 2nd Baron of Warrington
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 44.