1277598296. Ranulph de Vaux Baron of Gilsland
1Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), IX:397 (Table, Multon Connections).
1277598464. Hereward de Segrave
1Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), Segrave, p.596.
states that nothing is known of the orgin of the family or the date of its settlement at Seagrave, except that it must have taken place before 1166, when Hereward's son, GILBERT, appears, eo nomine, in the carta of William, Earl of Warwick.2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 216.
1277598524. Hugh Malbank lord of Wich Malbank
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 3:422.
1277598654. Thomas de Saint-Valery
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
"From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: John I of Ponthieu
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-09 11:38:00 PST
[email protected] wrote:
> Could anyone in the group tell me which of John I of Ponthieu's wives
> were the mother of the following two children:
>
> William III, Count of Ponthieu (d. 4 October 1221). (I have his mother as
> Beatrice de Pol.)
Beatrice of St. Pol, daughter of Anselme, Count of St. Pol, by
Eustachie. > Edela/Adela of Ponthieu, married Thomas de St. Valery, (d. 1219). Their
> daughter, Aanora de St. Valery, married Robert III de Dreux. Does anyone
> know approximately when Edela/Adela might have been born?
Moriarty and Winkhaus both show her as daughter of John's first
wife, Matilda. As to her birthdate, she was married in 1178, and
hence was probably born 1160 or perhaps later. taf."2Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
"From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: John I of Ponthieu
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-09 11:38:00 PST
[email protected] wrote:
> Could anyone in the group tell me which of John I of Ponthieu's wives
> were the mother of the following two children:
>
> William III, Count of Ponthieu (d. 4 October 1221). (I have his mother as
> Beatrice de Pol.)
Beatrice of St. Pol, daughter of Anselme, Count of St. Pol, by
Eustachie. > Edela/Adela of Ponthieu, married Thomas de St. Valery, (d. 1219). Their
> daughter, Aanora de St. Valery, married Robert III de Dreux. Does anyone
> know approximately when Edela/Adela might have been born?
Moriarty and Winkhaus both show her as daughter of John's first
wife, Matilda. As to her birthdate, she was married in 1178, and
hence was probably born 1160 or perhaps later. taf."
1277598655. Adele de Ponthieu
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
"From: Todd A. Farmerie ([email protected])
Subject: Re: John I of Ponthieu
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-06-09 11:38:00 PST
[email protected] wrote:
> Could anyone in the group tell me which of John I of Ponthieu's wives
> were the mother of the following two children:
>
> William III, Count of Ponthieu (d. 4 October 1221). (I have his mother as
> Beatrice de Pol.)
Beatrice of St. Pol, daughter of Anselme, Count of St. Pol, by
Eustachie. > Edela/Adela of Ponthieu, married Thomas de St. Valery, (d. 1219). Their
> daughter, Aanora de St. Valery, married Robert III de Dreux. Does anyone
> know approximately when Edela/Adela might have been born?
Moriarty and Winkhaus both show her as daughter of John's first
wife, Matilda. As to her birthdate, she was married in 1178, and
hence was probably born 1160 or perhaps later. taf."
1277599300. Hugh fitz Hugh de Say
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 221.
1277599301. Lucy de Clifford
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 221.
1277599364. William de Bardolf
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 257-31.
1277599365. Juliana de Gournay
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 257-31.
1277599366. Sir Robert Aguillon
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 257-30.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 257-30.
1277599367. Lady Joan de Ferrers
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 257-30.
1277599368. Roger de Cauz
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 124.
His hawks and falcons were mentioned in Wiltshire in 1155/56.
1277599372. Hugh de Leigh
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 124.
1277599374. William Ruffus
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 124.
1277599376. Hugh de Longchamp
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 125.
1277599744. Reginald d'Évreux
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 86.
1277603912. William Malet Baron of Curry Malet
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), Line 234A-26.
1277603913. Eugenia Picot
1K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants (Woodbridge: Boydell Press, 2002), 40.
1277603914. Ralph Picot
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 234A-27.
1277603920. Robert Avenal
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 10.
1277604784. Ernald II le Rus
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
The following 8 generation ancestor list for Alice le Rus includes the
"From: Richard Borthwick ([email protected])
Subject: re: Clere/Fay/Rus/Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1999/02/08
conjecture that the Fay family was a branch of the Chatellerault. '#'
indicates that the affiliation of the person so marked is conjectural.
There is more on the Turnham family which I have not yet accessed. 1 Alice LE RUS. Born 1245/1247. Died Before 28 Jan 1301. Buried in
Woodbridge Priory. Occupation Heir to Stinton, Norf; Akenham &
Whittingham, Suffolk.
Alice was heir of her father.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 440;
EYC I:481]
She married Sir Richard de BREWES, of Stinton, Norf, Before 9 Sep 1265.
2 William # LE RUS, of Stinton, Norf. Died 1253.
Farrer thinks it likely that William was younger brother of Hugh (II)
(d.1232) and his heir.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439-441; EYC I:481]
He married Agatha de CLERE.
3 Agatha de CLERE. Died Before 1250.
Agatha was heir of her parents.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439; EYC I:481]
4 Hugh (I) LE RUS, of Woodbridge & Stradbrook. Died 1230.
[HKF III:439]
6 Sir Roger (III) de CLERE, of Sinnington, Shere & Bramley. Died 1248.
Roger passed by fine to John fitz Geoffrey the manor of Shere.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
He married Maud de FAY, Before 1232.
7 Maud de FAY. Died 1249.
Maud was elder sister and heir of John de Fay (d.1241). A pedigree
published in *The Genealogist* (Old Series) V:318 alleges (wrongly) that
William de Braose (d.1210) grandfather of William and Richard (husband Maud
de Fay's granddaughter and heir) was the first husband of Maud de Fay.
Maud survived her husband. His death is variously given as 1248, 1249 or
1250. Maud herself was dead by 1250 when the wardship of her granddaughter
in Maud's lands in Sinnington were granted to William le Rus.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:82, 83; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
8 Ernald (III) LE RUS, of Stradbrook & Akenham. Died 1215.
[HKF III:438-439]
12 Ralph (II) de CLERE, Sinnington & Shere. Died After 1232.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:481]
14 Ralph de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died 1223.
Bramley was restored to this Ralph after the accession of king John.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 53, 82]
He married Beatrice de TURNEHAM.
15 Beatrice de TURNEHAM. Died Before 1246.
Beatrice was coheir of her father.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 5, 53, 84]
16 Ernald (II) LE RUS, of Stradbrook. Died After 1166.
Ernald held Stradbrook in 1159 but not thereafter.
[HKF III:438]
24 Ralph (I) de CLERE, of Wilton, Shere & Sinnington. Died 1205.
Ralph was heir of his brother Roger (II) (d.1183/84). Roger (II) is
described as 'Roger son of Roger'. Hence Ralph was also son of Roger (I).
VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:355-356; EYC I:480]
He married Mabel.
25 Mabel.
In the Fine Roll Mabel is described as 'Mabilia Edmundi'.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:480]
28 Ralph # [ =? Raoul de FAYE] de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died Before 1210.
Ralph the elder was granted Bramley and other fees by king Henry II.
Ralph was dispossessed for his part in the rebellion of the young Henry and
it would appear that while he did recover some lands after king Henry's
death, he did not recover Bramley. There is a conjecture that this Ralph de
Fay is to be identified with Raoul de Faye, lord of Faye-la-Vineuse, first
cousin of queen Eleanor, consort of king Henry II. The references below
give no evidence to support this conjecture. The dates given in ES for
Raoul fit what we know of Ralph's dates, but ES indicates no descendants
for Raoul.
[VCH Surrey III:53, 82; ES III/4:813]
30 Stephen de TURNEHAM, of Great Berwick, Salop. Died 1214.
Stephen was the king's mashal.
[HKFI:24, III:69, 71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4, 84]
He married Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering.
31 Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering. Died 1221.
Eveline or Edeline was coheir of her father. Angmering, however, did not
descend to her heirs.
[HKF III:71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
32 Ernald (I) LE RUS, of Stradbrook, Suff. Died Before 1159.
Ernald was granted Stradbrook, Suffolk, by Stephen count of Mortain
before the summer of 1125.
[HKF III:438]
48 Roger (I) de CLERE.
[HKF III:355]
56 Raoul de CHATELLERAULT, L of Faye. Died Before 1090.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Elisabeth de FAYE, Before 1144.
57 Elisabeth de FAYE.
[ES III/4:813]
62 Ranulf de BROC, of Angmering, Sussex. Died About 1179.
Ranulf was usher and marshal to king Henry II. He was given Angmering by
his uncle, known only as Guy. This gift was made with the consent of Nigel
de Broc and his brothers, and the gift was recorded in the Charter Roll in
7 John.
[HKF III:70-71, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
He married Dametta.
63 Dametta.
[HKF III:70]
64 Roger LE RUS. Died Before 1125.
[HKF III:438]
112 Aimery I de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died Before 1144 in
Noyers Abbey, France. Buried in Noyers Abbey, France.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
113 Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
[ES III/4:813]
114 Aimery de FAYE, L of Faye-la-Vineuse.
[ES III/4:813]
124 Oyn PURCEL.
[HKF III:70]
224 Boso II de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died After 1090.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
He married Alienor de THOUARS, About 1075.
225 Alienor de THOUARS. Died After 1088.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------."
1277604792. Ralph I de Clere
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
The following 8 generation ancestor list for Alice le Rus includes the
"From: Richard Borthwick ([email protected])
Subject: re: Clere/Fay/Rus/Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1999/02/08
conjecture that the Fay family was a branch of the Chatellerault. '#'
indicates that the affiliation of the person so marked is conjectural.
There is more on the Turnham family which I have not yet accessed. 1 Alice LE RUS. Born 1245/1247. Died Before 28 Jan 1301. Buried in
Woodbridge Priory. Occupation Heir to Stinton, Norf; Akenham &
Whittingham, Suffolk.
Alice was heir of her father.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 440;
EYC I:481]
She married Sir Richard de BREWES, of Stinton, Norf, Before 9 Sep 1265.
2 William # LE RUS, of Stinton, Norf. Died 1253.
Farrer thinks it likely that William was younger brother of Hugh (II)
(d.1232) and his heir.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439-441; EYC I:481]
He married Agatha de CLERE.
3 Agatha de CLERE. Died Before 1250.
Agatha was heir of her parents.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439; EYC I:481]
4 Hugh (I) LE RUS, of Woodbridge & Stradbrook. Died 1230.
[HKF III:439]
6 Sir Roger (III) de CLERE, of Sinnington, Shere & Bramley. Died 1248.
Roger passed by fine to John fitz Geoffrey the manor of Shere.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
He married Maud de FAY, Before 1232.
7 Maud de FAY. Died 1249.
Maud was elder sister and heir of John de Fay (d.1241). A pedigree
published in *The Genealogist* (Old Series) V:318 alleges (wrongly) that
William de Braose (d.1210) grandfather of William and Richard (husband Maud
de Fay's granddaughter and heir) was the first husband of Maud de Fay.
Maud survived her husband. His death is variously given as 1248, 1249 or
1250. Maud herself was dead by 1250 when the wardship of her granddaughter
in Maud's lands in Sinnington were granted to William le Rus.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:82, 83; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
8 Ernald (III) LE RUS, of Stradbrook & Akenham. Died 1215.
[HKF III:438-439]
12 Ralph (II) de CLERE, Sinnington & Shere. Died After 1232.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:481]
14 Ralph de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died 1223.
Bramley was restored to this Ralph after the accession of king John.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 53, 82]
He married Beatrice de TURNEHAM.
15 Beatrice de TURNEHAM. Died Before 1246.
Beatrice was coheir of her father.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 5, 53, 84]
16 Ernald (II) LE RUS, of Stradbrook. Died After 1166.
Ernald held Stradbrook in 1159 but not thereafter.
[HKF III:438]
24 Ralph (I) de CLERE, of Wilton, Shere & Sinnington. Died 1205.
Ralph was heir of his brother Roger (II) (d.1183/84). Roger (II) is
described as 'Roger son of Roger'. Hence Ralph was also son of Roger (I).
VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:355-356; EYC I:480]
He married Mabel.
25 Mabel.
In the Fine Roll Mabel is described as 'Mabilia Edmundi'.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:480]
28 Ralph # [ =? Raoul de FAYE] de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died Before 1210.
Ralph the elder was granted Bramley and other fees by king Henry II.
Ralph was dispossessed for his part in the rebellion of the young Henry and
it would appear that while he did recover some lands after king Henry's
death, he did not recover Bramley. There is a conjecture that this Ralph de
Fay is to be identified with Raoul de Faye, lord of Faye-la-Vineuse, first
cousin of queen Eleanor, consort of king Henry II. The references below
give no evidence to support this conjecture. The dates given in ES for
Raoul fit what we know of Ralph's dates, but ES indicates no descendants
for Raoul.
[VCH Surrey III:53, 82; ES III/4:813]
30 Stephen de TURNEHAM, of Great Berwick, Salop. Died 1214.
Stephen was the king's mashal.
[HKFI:24, III:69, 71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4, 84]
He married Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering.
31 Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering. Died 1221.
Eveline or Edeline was coheir of her father. Angmering, however, did not
descend to her heirs.
[HKF III:71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
32 Ernald (I) LE RUS, of Stradbrook, Suff. Died Before 1159.
Ernald was granted Stradbrook, Suffolk, by Stephen count of Mortain
before the summer of 1125.
[HKF III:438]
48 Roger (I) de CLERE.
[HKF III:355]
56 Raoul de CHATELLERAULT, L of Faye. Died Before 1090.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Elisabeth de FAYE, Before 1144.
57 Elisabeth de FAYE.
[ES III/4:813]
62 Ranulf de BROC, of Angmering, Sussex. Died About 1179.
Ranulf was usher and marshal to king Henry II. He was given Angmering by
his uncle, known only as Guy. This gift was made with the consent of Nigel
de Broc and his brothers, and the gift was recorded in the Charter Roll in
7 John.
[HKF III:70-71, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
He married Dametta.
63 Dametta.
[HKF III:70]
64 Roger LE RUS. Died Before 1125.
[HKF III:438]
112 Aimery I de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died Before 1144 in
Noyers Abbey, France. Buried in Noyers Abbey, France.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
113 Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
[ES III/4:813]
114 Aimery de FAYE, L of Faye-la-Vineuse.
[ES III/4:813]
124 Oyn PURCEL.
[HKF III:70]
224 Boso II de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died After 1090.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
He married Alienor de THOUARS, About 1075.
225 Alienor de THOUARS. Died After 1088.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------."
1277604796. Ralph de Fay
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
The following 8 generation ancestor list for Alice le Rus includes the
"From: Richard Borthwick ([email protected])
Subject: re: Clere/Fay/Rus/Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 1999/02/08
conjecture that the Fay family was a branch of the Chatellerault. '#'
indicates that the affiliation of the person so marked is conjectural.
There is more on the Turnham family which I have not yet accessed. 1 Alice LE RUS. Born 1245/1247. Died Before 28 Jan 1301. Buried in
Woodbridge Priory. Occupation Heir to Stinton, Norf; Akenham &
Whittingham, Suffolk.
Alice was heir of her father.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 440;
EYC I:481]
She married Sir Richard de BREWES, of Stinton, Norf, Before 9 Sep 1265.
2 William # LE RUS, of Stinton, Norf. Died 1253.
Farrer thinks it likely that William was younger brother of Hugh (II)
(d.1232) and his heir.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439-441; EYC I:481]
He married Agatha de CLERE.
3 Agatha de CLERE. Died Before 1250.
Agatha was heir of her parents.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439; EYC I:481]
4 Hugh (I) LE RUS, of Woodbridge & Stradbrook. Died 1230.
[HKF III:439]
6 Sir Roger (III) de CLERE, of Sinnington, Shere & Bramley. Died 1248.
Roger passed by fine to John fitz Geoffrey the manor of Shere.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
He married Maud de FAY, Before 1232.
7 Maud de FAY. Died 1249.
Maud was elder sister and heir of John de Fay (d.1241). A pedigree
published in *The Genealogist* (Old Series) V:318 alleges (wrongly) that
William de Braose (d.1210) grandfather of William and Richard (husband Maud
de Fay's granddaughter and heir) was the first husband of Maud de Fay.
Maud survived her husband. His death is variously given as 1248, 1249 or
1250. Maud herself was dead by 1250 when the wardship of her granddaughter
in Maud's lands in Sinnington were granted to William le Rus.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:82, 83; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
8 Ernald (III) LE RUS, of Stradbrook & Akenham. Died 1215.
[HKF III:438-439]
12 Ralph (II) de CLERE, Sinnington & Shere. Died After 1232.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:481]
14 Ralph de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died 1223.
Bramley was restored to this Ralph after the accession of king John.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 53, 82]
He married Beatrice de TURNEHAM.
15 Beatrice de TURNEHAM. Died Before 1246.
Beatrice was coheir of her father.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 5, 53, 84]
16 Ernald (II) LE RUS, of Stradbrook. Died After 1166.
Ernald held Stradbrook in 1159 but not thereafter.
[HKF III:438]
24 Ralph (I) de CLERE, of Wilton, Shere & Sinnington. Died 1205.
Ralph was heir of his brother Roger (II) (d.1183/84). Roger (II) is
described as 'Roger son of Roger'. Hence Ralph was also son of Roger (I).
VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:355-356; EYC I:480]
He married Mabel.
25 Mabel.
In the Fine Roll Mabel is described as 'Mabilia Edmundi'.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:480]
28 Ralph # [ =? Raoul de FAYE] de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died Before 1210.
Ralph the elder was granted Bramley and other fees by king Henry II.
Ralph was dispossessed for his part in the rebellion of the young Henry and
it would appear that while he did recover some lands after king Henry's
death, he did not recover Bramley. There is a conjecture that this Ralph de
Fay is to be identified with Raoul de Faye, lord of Faye-la-Vineuse, first
cousin of queen Eleanor, consort of king Henry II. The references below
give no evidence to support this conjecture. The dates given in ES for
Raoul fit what we know of Ralph's dates, but ES indicates no descendants
for Raoul.
[VCH Surrey III:53, 82; ES III/4:813]
30 Stephen de TURNEHAM, of Great Berwick, Salop. Died 1214.
Stephen was the king's mashal.
[HKFI:24, III:69, 71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4, 84]
He married Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering.
31 Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering. Died 1221.
Eveline or Edeline was coheir of her father. Angmering, however, did not
descend to her heirs.
[HKF III:71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
32 Ernald (I) LE RUS, of Stradbrook, Suff. Died Before 1159.
Ernald was granted Stradbrook, Suffolk, by Stephen count of Mortain
before the summer of 1125.
[HKF III:438]
48 Roger (I) de CLERE.
[HKF III:355]
56 Raoul de CHATELLERAULT, L of Faye. Died Before 1090.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Elisabeth de FAYE, Before 1144.
57 Elisabeth de FAYE.
[ES III/4:813]
62 Ranulf de BROC, of Angmering, Sussex. Died About 1179.
Ranulf was usher and marshal to king Henry II. He was given Angmering by
his uncle, known only as Guy. This gift was made with the consent of Nigel
de Broc and his brothers, and the gift was recorded in the Charter Roll in
7 John.
[HKF III:70-71, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
He married Dametta.
63 Dametta.
[HKF III:70]
64 Roger LE RUS. Died Before 1125.
[HKF III:438]
112 Aimery I de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died Before 1144 in
Noyers Abbey, France. Buried in Noyers Abbey, France.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
113 Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
[ES III/4:813]
114 Aimery de FAYE, L of Faye-la-Vineuse.
[ES III/4:813]
124 Oyn PURCEL.
[HKF III:70]
224 Boso II de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died After 1090.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
He married Alienor de THOUARS, About 1075.
225 Alienor de THOUARS. Died After 1088.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
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The following line of descent as outlined by Richard Borthwick is the one
"From: Rosie Bevan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Raoul de Faye->Ralph de Fay?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-11-25 13:14:37 PST
Just a note of warning about the pedigree. Maud de Fay did not marry William
de Braose. This is a mistake which has been discussed on SGM and can be
found in the archives.
current accepted although I think chronologically there should be another
Ralph in between Ralph Seigneur de Faye who was born about 1100-1110 and the
Ralph who died in 1222. A point which I am uncertain about is whether
Stephen de Turnham was Seneschal of Anjou or Poitou. I have seen him
described as of both. 1.Aimery I de Rochefoucauld d.1151
+ Dangereuse de L'Isle-Bouchard
2.Aenor Chatellerault b.1103 d.aft 1130
+ William X Duke of Aquitaine d.1137
3.Eleanor of Aquitaine b.1121 d.1204
+ Louis VII of France (div 1152)
+ Henry II of England d.1189
2.Ralph, Seigneur de Faye la Vineuse (by right of his wife)
+ Elisabeth de Faye le Vineuse
3. Eustacia
3. Ralph de Fay d.1222
+ Beatrix de Turnham d. 1245, da. of Stephen de Turnham, (King's
Marshall & Seneschal of Anjou or Poitou) and Edeline de Broc, da and coheir
of Ranulf de Broc. She married 2nd Hugh de Neville d.1234, 3rd Hugh de
Plaiz d.1244
4.John de Fay d.s.p.1241
4. Maud de Fay 1182-1249
+ Sir Roger de Clere d.1248
5.Agatha de Clere
+ William le Rus d.1253
6.Alice le Rus (1245-1300)
+ Richard Longespee d.s.p.1261
+ Richard de Braose d.1292 2nd son of John de Braose,
Lord of Bramber and Margaret verch Lllewellyn
4.Philippa de Fay
+William de Neville Cheers Rosie."