2554970693. Gerberga of Chalon Queen of Italy
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 94:34.
2554970706. Rotbold of Provence Count of Venaissin & Forcalquier
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Boso II m. Constance
"Does anyone have the line from Boso II to Emma? I can't find it in Weis.
Roubaud II Count of Provence ( - 1015) m. Ermengarde
Emma m. William of Toulouse. You will note this makes her granddaughter. AR7 was probably following Szabolcs de Vajay, who proposed that Roubaud II should be split into two successive individuals of the same name, but I was not convinced by his argument, and have seen other recent authors who have rejected this amendment. taf."
2554970707. Ermengarde Countess of Venaissin & Forcalquier
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Boso II m. Constance
"Does anyone have the line from Boso II to Emma? I can't find it in Weis.
Roubaud II Count of Provence ( - 1015) m. Ermengarde
Emma m. William of Toulouse. You will note this makes her granddaughter. AR7 was probably following Szabolcs de Vajay, who proposed that Roubaud II should be split into two successive individuals of the same name, but I was not convinced by his argument, and have seen other recent authors who have rejected this amendment. taf."
2554970708. Adalbert I Count de la Haute Marche
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 327-34.
2554970709. Almodis de Limoges Countess de la Haute Marche
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 327-34.
2554970710. Geraud de Montignac
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 327-33.
2554970711. Nonia de Granol
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 327-33.
2554971176. Lisois de Craôn
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Regards, Bob."
"From: Robert S Baxter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Kirton, Lincs and de Craon
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-04-21 18:17:33 PST
Adrian, the only thing I have for Bertha comes from Turton, PA, which makes
it suspect. But here goes. Bertha de Craon >Guerin de Craon c 1050>Suhard
de Craon>Lisois de Craon>Andre de Craon c 941 m Agnes. Guerin is given a
wife, Anne de Crequy>Baudouin de Crequy and Margaret deLouvaine> Ramelin II
de Crequy( I wonder if this should be Hamelin)and Alice d'Oisy>?Arnoul III
de Crequy and Adele d'Arkel>Arnoul II de Crequy and Valpurge
d'Argouens>Odoacre de Crequy and Yolande of Cleves>Arnoul I de Crequy le
Viel and Ignoude de Harlebec dtr of Odoacre of the same.
There is more if you want it.
2554971180. Rameline de Crequy
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Regards, Bob."
"From: Robert S Baxter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Kirton, Lincs and de Craon
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-04-21 18:17:33 PST
Adrian, the only thing I have for Bertha comes from Turton, PA, which makes
it suspect. But here goes. Bertha de Craon >Guerin de Craon c 1050>Suhard
de Craon>Lisois de Craon>Andre de Craon c 941 m Agnes. Guerin is given a
wife, Anne de Crequy>Baudouin de Crequy and Margaret deLouvaine> Ramelin II
de Crequy( I wonder if this should be Hamelin)and Alice d'Oisy>?Arnoul III
de Crequy and Adele d'Arkel>Arnoul II de Crequy and Valpurge
d'Argouens>Odoacre de Crequy and Yolande of Cleves>Arnoul I de Crequy le
Viel and Ignoude de Harlebec dtr of Odoacre of the same.
There is more if you want it.
2554971181. Alice d'Oisy
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Regards, Bob."
"From: Robert S Baxter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Kirton, Lincs and de Craon
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-04-21 18:17:33 PST
Adrian, the only thing I have for Bertha comes from Turton, PA, which makes
it suspect. But here goes. Bertha de Craon >Guerin de Craon c 1050>Suhard
de Craon>Lisois de Craon>Andre de Craon c 941 m Agnes. Guerin is given a
wife, Anne de Crequy>Baudouin de Crequy and Margaret deLouvaine> Ramelin II
de Crequy( I wonder if this should be Hamelin)and Alice d'Oisy>?Arnoul III
de Crequy and Adele d'Arkel>Arnoul II de Crequy and Valpurge
d'Argouens>Odoacre de Crequy and Yolande of Cleves>Arnoul I de Crequy le
Viel and Ignoude de Harlebec dtr of Odoacre of the same.
There is more if you want it.
2554971388. Leofric Earl of Mercia
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 176-2.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 176A-2.
2554971389. Lady Godiva Countess of Mercia
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 176A-2.
2554971506. Forester of St. Vaast
1Website, http://www.algonet.se/~anderzb/genea/medieval/gunnor.htm.
[Modified from an article which appeared in Dec 1996 on soc.genealogy.medieval] There have been many requests for information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:
"Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by Todd A. Farmerie
Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.
Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.
K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7. Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.
The genealogical information contained in his account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles. The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. <snip> Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheiress to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where the two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.
<snip>."
2554971507. Senfrida de Crêpon
1Website, http://www.algonet.se/~anderzb/genea/medieval/gunnor.htm.
[Modified from an article which appeared in Dec 1996 on soc.genealogy.medieval] There have been many requests for information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:
"Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by Todd A. Farmerie
Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.
Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.
K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7. Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.
The genealogical information contained in his account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles. The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. <snip> Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheiress to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where the two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.
<snip>."
2554971512. Yves de Bellême
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 21 (de Bellême).
2554971513. Godehilde
1Carl Boyer 3d, Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans (Santa Clarita, CA 2000), 21 (de Bellême).
2554971696. Ulfius of Denmark
1Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD 1998, 3d ed.), line 314-35.