623744. Richard de Coton
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 3:414.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 69.
623746. John Grymelond
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 3:414.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 69.
623748. Sir William Hulse
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 70.
623749. Daughter of Norbury
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 70.
623760. William Mainwaring the Elder
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 1:619.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 157, 167.
623761. Elizabeth Leycester
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 1:619.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 157.
623762. Hugh Venables 8th Baron of Kinderton
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 254.
623763. Margery de Cotton Baroness Kinderton
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 255.
623764. Griffin de Warren
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given: 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet." 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester. 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton. 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet. 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further evidence he uses to estrablish the line. pcr."
"Date: 24 Jul 1998 03:57:03 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Warren of Ightfield
623765. Margaret Corbet
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given: 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet." 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester. 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton. 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet. 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further evidence he uses to estrablish the line. pcr."
"Date: 24 Jul 1998 03:57:03 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Warren of Ightfield
623766. Sir John Cheney
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 2:570.
2Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given: 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet." 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester. 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton. 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet. 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further evidence he uses to estrablish the line. pcr."
"Date: 24 Jul 1998 03:57:03 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Warren of Ightfield
623767. Lady Maud de Capenhurst
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 268.
2George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 2:570.
623768. John de Sutton Lord of Dudley
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 122.
2David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, 122.
623769. Lady Joan
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 122.
623770. Sir Walter le Blount
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 123.
2Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), IX:331.
3Cokayne, Complete Peerage, IX:333 (note d).
"Sir Walter is one of the characters in Shakespeare's Henry IV, where the King calls him 'a dear and true industrious friend.'."4Cokayne, Complete Peerage, IX:331.
5Cokayne, Complete Peerage, IX:333.
6Cokayne, Complete Peerage, IX:332.
623771. Lady Sancha de Ayala
1Nathaniel Taylor & Todd Farmerie, Notes on the Ancestry of Sancha de Ayala, 152 NEHGR 36 (January, 1998).
2David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 123.
3Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Following Chico's request, here is the line from Pero Gomes Barroso to
"Nathaniel Taylor ([email protected])
Subject: Re: abunazar to ayala to england
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-07-31 09:26:33 PST
Sancha de Ayala: [Generations 1-10 summarize Chico's post of last night to the listserver] 1. Abunazar Lovesendes (att. 978) = Unisco Godins. Following the
theory propounded by Chico, he may be of Muslim (Ummayad?) ancestry. 2. [Fromarico] 'Cide' Abunazar = NN 3. Toderedo Fromariques 'Cid' or Trutesendo Abunazar (att. 1040 / 1070)
= Faregia Forjaz, d. of Froia [Froila, Fruela] Osoredes (she att. 1069) 4. Ausenda [Adosinda] Todereis (att. 1092) = Nuno Soares 'Velho', of
the Baião family. 5. Gontinha (att. 1108) = Paio Godins 'de Azevedo' (br. of Baião
family). 6. Mendo Pais 'Roufino / Bofinho' (att. 1117, 1121) = Sancha Pais (d. of
Paio Curvo or __ de Toronho). 7. Hermígio (Ermildo) Mendes 'de Azevedo' (att. 1121) = Elvira Viegas
(dau. of an Egas Moniz?) 8. Pedro Hermiges de Azevedo (apparently = Velasquita Rodrigues, d. of
Count Rodrigo Forjaz de Trastâmara, but not necessarily mother of:). 9. Fernão Pires de Azevedo = ?? 10. Châmoa Fernandes de Azevedo = Pero Gomes Barroso, the troubadour,
attested in the repartimiento of Seville (1248); held land in Toledo
extant corpus of 12 poems in the Galician-Portuguese tradition. 11. Fernán Pérez Barroso (called lord of Parla in one source; said by
Fernan Perez de Ayala, no. 13, to have 'received all the inheritance of
Azevedo'); courtier of kings Sancho IV & Fernando IV) = Mencia García
de Sotomayor, dau. of Garci Melendez de Sotomayor & Ines 'la gorda' (de
Saavedra). 12. Sancha Fernández Barroso (sister of Cardinal Pero Gomes Barroso) =
Pero López de Ayala II (d. soon after Feb 1331), adelantado mayor del
reino de Murcia, lord of the city of Cartagena, retainer and household
official of D. Juan Manuel (cousin of the king, intriguer and writer). 13. Fernán Peréz de Ayala (b. Toledo, 1305; became lord of Ayala, 1332;
d. 15 October 1385 at Vitoria or Quejana; bd. Quejana), adelantado major
del reino de Murcia, etc., merino mayor of Asturias; d. as Dominican
friar at Vitoria; = Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos (d. 3 Aug 1372; bd. at
Quejana), sister and heiress of Díaz Gutiérrez, master of the Order of
Alcantara, who was killed by order of King Pedro I in 136. Children
include: [14. Pero López de Ayala III (1332-1407), diplomat, grand chancellor of
Castile, and one of the three leading Castilian writers of his century;
= Leonor de Guzmán, with many descendants, beginning with the condes de
Fuensalida. And also his eldest sister:] 14. Inés de Ayala (eldest of 8 daughters; b. say 1330; will 1403 and
prob. d. soon after) = Diego Gómez, lord of Casarrubios del Monte
(Toledo); kt. of the Orden de la Banda; notario mayor del reino de
Toledo (1351), alcalde major de Toledo (1360s, successively for rivals
Pedro I & Enrique II), d. betw. 1373 and 29 Mar 1375. His palace in
Toledo survives as the Dominican convent of Santa Isabel. Children
include: [15. Pedro Suárez (III) de Toledo, d. at battle of Aljubarrota 13 August
1385 (his sculpted armorial tomb, probably from Santa Isabel at Toledo,
is at the Museu Fredric Marès in Barcelona) = Juana de Orozco; from whom
descends Fernán II & V, King of Spain, etc. And also his eldest sister:] 15. Sancha de Ayala (eldest of 5 daughters, b. say 1350); went to
England in 1371 in the train of Constance of Castile, wife of John of
Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster & pretender to Castile; married by 1373; d.
testate in 1418 = Sir Walter Blount (1348-1403), retainer and trusted
official of John of Gaunt (and later of Henry Bolingbroke, King Henry
IV); participant in French and Spanish campaigns; several times on
diplomatic missions in Castile, Aragon & Portugal; killed at Battle of
Shrewsbury (see CP 9:333, s.n. 'Mountjoy'). [snip] Nat Taylor."4Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), IX:333.
623772. Thomas de Berkeley Lord Berkeley
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), page 98, line 80-6.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 43, line 39-31.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, 98.
4Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 39-31.
5Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, page 98, line 80-6.
6Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 43, line 39-31.
623773. Lady Katherine de Clyvedon
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 81-36.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), line 80A-6, 21 Oct 1999.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 39-31, 21 Oct 1999.
4Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 62.
623774. Sir John Betteshorne
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), page 100, 20 Oct 1999.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 78, line 81-36.
623816. Sir Richard Lacon
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 235.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 149.
3Neil D. Thompson, F.A.S.G., Abell-Cotton-Mainwaring: Maternal Ancestry of Robert Abell of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Mass., The Genealogist, Vol. 5, Issue 2 (Assoc. for the Promotion of Scholarship in Genealogy, Fall, 1984 New York), page 164.
623817. Lady Elizabeth de Peshall
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
It would appear that Robert Abell was in fact descended from the Harleys
"Date: 15 Oct 2000 22:31:45 GMT
From: Gryphon801<[email protected] >
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Alice Freeman's Danvers line
through the marriage of Sir Richard Lacon (d. by 8 Oct. 1446) to Elizabeth de
Peshall, through their great-granddaughter Joan Lacon (d. 1524), wife of Sir
John Mainwaring of Ightfield. See TG 5:158-71 and 10:35-72. Work is still
continuing to try to identify Joan, wife of Robert Abell, and to determine
whether he returned to England for a period in the 1630s or whether we have
another John Drake problem here."2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 149.
623818. Sir Richard Wisham
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 150.
623824. Sir Robert Corbet
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 66.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), Line 29B-33.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, Line 29B-33.
623825. Lady Margaret
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Cynthia Taylor wrote: > > In answer to those who asked about my line, it is the same as the Bulkely > line. I can give the details if anyone is interested. The Bulkeley descent from Amy de Gaveston has been been disproved. It appears that Sir William Mallory was the second husband rather than the father of Margaret, widow of Robert Corbet. See Roskell, Clark, and Rawcliffe, _The History of Parliament: The House of Commons, 1385-1421_ (1992), vol. II, p. 654 (on Corbet) and vol. III, p. 674, footnote 1 (on Mallory), and NEHGS _NEXUS_, May-Aug. 1996, vol. 13, pp. 124-130 ("Notable Kin: Additions and Corrections to _The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants_ (1993), Part One," by Gary Boyd Roberts). -- Don Stone."
"To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Amy de Gaveston2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 16A-34.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 16A-34.
4Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 66.
623826. Sir Thomas Hopton
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 146, 161.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, 146.
623827. Lady Eleanor Lucy
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 146, 161.
623828. Sir Walter Devereux K.G.
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 139.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 88.
3Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, 88.
623829. Lady Elizabeth Merbury
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 139.
623830. Sir William de Ferrers Lord Ferrers
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 139.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 56B-36.
623831. Lady Elizabeth Bealknap
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), 56B-36.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 22.
623832. Sir Richard de Vernon
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 56A-36.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 56A-36.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 56A-36.
4Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 56A-36.
623833. Lady Benedicta de Ludlow
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 56A-36.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 162.
623834. William Swynfen
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 56A-37.
2David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 350.
3Merrow Sorley, William de Lichfield, The Genealogists' Magazine (Society of Genealogists, London, Sept. 1965), Vol. 15, No. 3, page 120.
623835. Jocosa Spernor alias Durvassal
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 56A-37.
2Merrow Sorley, William de Lichfield, The Genealogists' Magazine (Society of Genealogists, London, Sept. 1965), Vol. 15, No. 3, page 120.