1247488. Hugh de Coton
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 3:414.
1247492. William Grymelond
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 69.
1247498. David Norbury
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 70.
1247520. William Mainwaring
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 79.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, 167.
1247521. Mary Davenport
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 79, 167.
1247522. Nicholas Leycester
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 157.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, 157.
3George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 1:619.
1247523. Mary de Mobberley
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 157.
2George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 1:619.
1247524. Sir Hugh de Venables Baron of Kinderton
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 254.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), Line 57-33.
1247525. Lady Katharine de Houghton
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), Line 57-33.
1247526. Hugh de Coton
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 255.
1247528. Griffin de Warren
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given: 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet." 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester. 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton. 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet. 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further evidence he uses to estrablish the line. pcr."
"Date: 24 Jul 1998 03:57:03 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Warren of Ightfield
1247529. Matilda le Strange of Blackmere
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given: 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet." 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester. 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton. 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet. 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further evidence he uses to estrablish the line. pcr."
"Date: 24 Jul 1998 03:57:03 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Warren of Ightfield
1247530. Sir Piers de Corbet
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given: 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet." 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester. 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton. 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet. 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further evidence he uses to estrablish the line. pcr."
"Date: 24 Jul 1998 03:57:03 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Warren of Ightfield
1247534. Thomas de Capenhurst
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 2:570.
1247535. Joan de Hogh
1George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester (George Routledge & Sons, 1882), 2:570.
1247536. John de Sutton Lord of Dudley
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 78, line 81-33.
2David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 122.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 78, line 81-33.
4Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 78, line 81-33.
5David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, 122.
1247537. Katharine de Stafford Baroness of Dudley
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 122.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 78, line 81-33.
3David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, 122.
says died by 1386.
1247540. Sir John le Blount
1Website, http://www.usigs.org/library/blackwell/blount.htm.
2Cokayne, Complete Peerage (Sutton Publishing, 2000 ed.), IX:331.
1247542. Diego Gómez de Toledo lord of Casarrubios del Monte
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 123.
2David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, 123.
1247543. Doña Inéz Alfonsa de Ayala
1David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists (English Ancestry Series, Volume 1, 2nd Ed., New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999), 123.
1247544. Sir Maurice de Berkeley Lord Berkeley
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), page 98 line 80-5; 106, 20 Oct 0099.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 43, line 39-30.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 43, line 39-30.
as to year of death only.4Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, page 98, 20 Oct 1999.
5Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, page 43, line 39-30, 20 Oct 1999.
1247545. Lady Eva la Zouche
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), page 98, 20 Oct 1999.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), page 43, line 39-30.
1247546. Sir John de Clyvedon
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), line 80-6.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 39-31.
3Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, line 39-31.
1247547. Lady Emma
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, (Genealogical Publishing Co. 5th ed. 1999), page 98, 20 Oct 1999.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), line 39-31.
1247632. William Lacon
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 148.
A retainer of Henry of Bolingbroke, William was murdered in London in 1397 while on his way to Westminster to prosecute a suit against Sir John Hawkstone in the September Parliament.
1247633. Margaret Paslowe
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 148.
1247634. Sir Hamon de Peshall
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
A little history: The elder Sir Adam was called "a common malefactor, nortoriously accused of various homicides and other felonies .... After being followed from place to place he was at length taken at Caynton in Shropshire and beheaded...." in 1346. The brothers themselves were embroilled in quite a feud (Hamo de Peshall having married Alesia de Harley, only 'legitimate' daughter of Robert and Joan [Corbet] de Harley). Perhaps Kay could relate a few of those details, since she has a copy of The Genealogist. pcr."
"Date: 21 Aug 1998 21:24:13 GMT From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] > To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Grosvenor / Pershale Connection and Line?2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 135.
1247635. Lady Alicia de Harley
1Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
Hamon Peshall, younger brother of Sir Adam Peshall of Horsley married = > >Alicia Harley who was the daughter of Robert Harley by Joan daughter of= > >Robert Corbet (and his wife Elizabeth le Strange) There is an article in The Genealogist 10:1 which covers the Peshall/Harley connection in great detail and also explains how the Corbets of Moreton Corbet came to get part of the Barony of Caus, covering temp. 1270-1400. See specifically p. 37. When I wrote that article, I had taken the word of certain other authorities that the Mallory connection was correct rather than checking it myself (though it was an incidental point to what I was writing about). I will not do that again. pcr."
"Date: 19 Feb 1998 00:52:25 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: More Corbet > >2Medieval Genealogy Newsgroup.
I thought I'd include two excerpts from an article I wrote on the family of Joan de Harley (TG 10:44, 62) which show the case of an heir who was accused of being a bastard, and whose mother had actuallt at one point procured a legal seperation from her husband, who was called fatuus [someone who is mentally handicapped], which was later legally quashed after the fact: [p. 44] "In 4 Richard II [1380/1], as previously noted, the widow Joan (Corbet) de Harley claimed a third part of the manors of Bueld and Cherlecote in dower against Hamond de Peshall and Alice his wife.[72] Hamo was also in the retinue of Hugh, Earl of Stafford, in France in 1380.[101] That same year he and his wife Alesia brought a plea before the Common Bench which deserves full citation because it establishes beyond doubt the legitimacy and parentage of the latter:[102] Salop. Hamon de Peshale [appearing] in his own person, and Alesia, his wife, by John Whetales, her attorney, sued John del Lee for a messuage and ten acres of land in Harley which Robert de Harley formerly held, and which should descend to Alesla as his daughter and heir [emphasis mine]. John pleaded that Alesia was illegitimate and appealed to a jury, and a mandate was sent to Robert the bishop of Lichfield and Coventry, to convoke the parties before him, and others best acquainted with the facts [emphasis mine], and to return on the Octaves of St. Michael [6 October] whether the said Alesia was a legitimate daughter of Robert de Harley or not. A postscript states that the Bishop sent his certificate at that date in these words: Venerabilibus et discretis viris dominis Justiciariis domini nostri Regis apud Westm: Robertus permissione divina Coventrensis et Lichfeldensis Episcopus salutem in eo qui est omne vera salus. Scire velit vestra discretio quod super contentis in brevi regis presentibus incluso, vocatis coram nobis in hac parte convocandis, diligenter fecimus inquisitionem, per quam comperimus quod Alesia uxor Hamonis de Peshale in dicto brevi nominata filia Roberti de Harleye etiam in dicto brevi descripti, legitima est, et non bastarda [emphasis mine], super hiis literis nostris patentibus et clausis prout dictum breve requirii, vos reddimus certiores. Domini valeat vestra circumspecta prudentia in augmento gratie et honoris. Scriptum apud Heywode sexto die Octobris anno domini millesimo tres centesimo octogesimo.., and then the said John, being asked if he had anything to say against the said certificate, answered in the negative. It was therefore considered that Hamo and Alesia should recover the said tenements." [p. 62] 71. The text of the decree or declaration of separation has not been preserved. Morris, p. 267, cites an abstract of the plea of Elizabeth Grendon and its result, which reads, in pertinent part, as follows: Eadem Johe Harley per officialem Diocesis Middelsex occasione frigiditatis sive impotensiae naturalis Roberti mariti sui coeund sive carnaliter cognoscend mota ab eod Robto separata fuit. Et nunc ex supplicatione pfatae Eliz Grendon ea separatu cassatur & annullatur & matrimoniae inter eos solidu~ et firmu~ declaratur per Instrumentu~ publicum datu~ A° D° 1400. [The said Joan Harley had been separated from the said Robert by the act of an official of the Diocese of Middlesex on account of the coldness or natural inability of Robert her husband to mate {have sexual intercourse} with her or to know her carnally. And now by virtue of the prayer of the said Elizabeth Grendon her separation is quashed and annulled and the marriage between them declared to be in full force and effect by a public instrument dated A.D. 1400.] Whether or not Robert and Joan ever lived apart by virtue of a separation decree is not known, nor is the purpose of Elizabeth's application itself known to us." Joan was one of those unusually active and independent women (for her time). She is known to have had an illegitimate son, whom she provided for [Ken, if you are interested in how one might give an inllegitimate child lands you might check the article for more detail]. One might theorize that her only legal daughter was illegitimate, but it would be sheer speculation, and one might counter that Joan in fact did her duty and produced one heir (the heir was a daughter). pcr."
"Date: 9 Mar 1999 03:53:32 GMT
From: Reedpcgen<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected] >
To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: The terms 'next friend' and 'friend' as legal terms in Medieval England3Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 135.
4Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, 135.
1247648. Sir Roger Corbet
1The American Genealogist, Vol. 35, pages 29-32.
2Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), Line 29B-32.
1247649. Lady Margaret de Erdington
1Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 7th Ed, 1999), Line 29B-32.
2Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 99.
1247652. Thomas Hopton
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 146.
1247653. Joane Mortimer
1Carl Boyer, 3rd, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Carl Boyer, 3rd, P.O. Box 220333, Santa Clarita, CA 91322-0333), 145.