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" Carreg Cennen Castle, which is quite near to the small holding called Tirbach
where my Davies ancestors lived  from c 1852."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Site Dedication

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This site is dedicated to the history of my maternal Davies family who, for the last 200 or so years from c1800,  lived mainly in the parishes of Llansawel , Llansadwrn and Llandeilofawr in Carmarthenshire and  the parish of Llangiwg in Glamorgan. Also, there is a significant Jones /Evans branch which originated in Bangor Teifi, Cardiganshire c 1800.

This is in general terms the story of typical hard pressed Welsh small tenant farmers  and ag labs who, in the last quarter of the C19, drifted south from rural Carmarthenshire to the "new jobs and real wages " to be found in the mining valleys of Glamorgan. Within a generation or two many of them came to wonder about their new life styles with its poor health and shortened life spans. But they all played the game of rugby,Wales prospered, perhaps life was not so bad. 

A hundred years on, the wheel has turned once again, there are no longer any coal mines apart from small private relics and some open cast plundering of the landscape. The jobs are now mostly in the towns and cities, the old mining villages are slowly fading away into semi-oblivion.
And rugby ? Ah well, .........................

 

Contents

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Introduction The Anne John Bible
David Davies c 1800 [Mary Davies] Children of David and Mary Davies, Lanwen 
William Davies [Tirbach] 1826/7 [Esther James] David James
Children of William and Esther Davies John Davies 1859 [Margaret Davies]
Timothy David [Jane James] John Davies, Llansadwrn  [Susannah Davies]
William Davies 1880 [Sarah Jones] Children of William and Sarah Davies
Rees Jones (2) 1849 [Elizabeth Evans] Rees Jones (1)  1813/16 [Esther Rees]
Children of Rees and Esther Jones & Llwynyreos Benjamin Evans (2) 1810-78  [Rachel Evans]
David Jones 1771-1858   [Prisila] Benjamin Evans (1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Introduction

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William Davies Tirbach is my maternal great great grandfather.

He brought the Tirbach name to Cwmgors with him from the small farm of that name which lay off the lanes between Llandeilo and Trapp in the parish of Llandeilofawr, not so far from Cerreg Cennen Castle.

He was born in the parish of Llansawel c 1826/7, we can't find a baptism entry for him and thus only know for sure that his father was a David Davies with no absolute certainty as to his mother's name; although I am fairly sure that we have the right one but without all the hard evidence required.

It is probable that they were non-conformists and many chapel records have simply disappeared.

The difficulties of tracing individual Davies ancestors cannot be exaggerated , it is the third most common surname in Wales as a whole after Jones and Williams. There are many instances of Davies marrying Davies which adds to the confusion.

Our first probable sighting of William is in 1841 as a 15 year old with his assumed parents David and Mary Davies at Lanwen in Llansawel parish.

He left home at some point over the next 10 years and next appears in 1851 working at Glanbrynan farm, in Llangadog parish, he was age 24, a servant.

His wife to be, Esther James was working at next door Llwynyrynn farm, a housemaid age 26.

They married in Bethlehem Chapel , Llangadog in November 1851 and from the children's births we know they were at Tirbach from 1852 onwards.

They were at Penywaun by at least 1881, so their Tirbach tenancy lasted for the first 25/30 years of their marriage.

Tirbach is actually in Llandeilofawr parish, is better described as a smallholding , it is shown on the Tithe map c 1840 , its exact size then was 16 acres 2 roods 33 perches.

The tithes payable were 2s 7d to the Vicar [for one third of the corn and grain tithes], 5s 5d to Dean John Parker [in lieu of two thirds corn and grain tithes], 2s 11d to the Vicar [ for one third of the other tithes], and 3s 6d to the Improprietor of two thirds of the other tithes.

The tenant in c 1840 was William James and the landlord was Joseph Galstone .

It is hard to imagine how William and Esther managed to raise their seven children at Tirbach. The land would only have supported a few cows and pigs, some chickens perhaps.

The evidence is that their sons at least left home for work on other farms at a young age, maybe the daughters too.

Anyhow, by 1881 all the children had gone and William and Esther were at Penywaun which is at the very top of Bryncethin Road, Garnant; the present day house is quite visible from Cwmgors village. They did have with them their adopted daughter Esther and grandson William [Edwards].

William, at the age of 54 , was now a colliery labourer, possibly at the nearby Coder mine. It is presumably no coincidence that their son John was also working in the Cwmgors area, he was a servant at Cwrt y Bariwns farm on the Gwryd mountain.

They simply followed a general drift away from no longer viable small farming units in rural Carmarthenshire to readily available jobs in the rapidly expanding new industy of coal mining which was most accessible just across the county line in Caegurwen.

By 1891, William is a widower, now living with son John at Llwynrhidiau in Cwmgors.

The three houses built there came at one time to be known as Tirbach terrace, the " family name " became Tirbach. William died there in 1901.

Both William and Esther are buried at Tabernacle Chapel in Ffairfach, Llandeilo which suggests that they retained a fondness for Tirbach and its environs; which also allows us to hope that their time there was a happy one despite the undoubted hardship of scratching a living from the land.

Tirbach still stands today, on a ridge overlooking Llandeilo town, it has been modernised but the present owners are able point out which ends of the house the pigs and cows used to live.

It is not far from Carreg Cennen castle, it is a very beautiful and tranquil part of the countryside .

There exists a " family bible " and on the flyleaf to the New Testament section is a hand written inscription;-

"This bible is given to, and for the use of ANNE JOHN, while she liveth and after her decease to be returned to the Church of Christ belonging to Escairdawe if none of her children be a member of the same........written May 25 1771."

This is quite badly faded, although still legible, it was written out again below by WILLIAM DAVIES TIRBACH dated 13 May 1852, stating that it was" now my property."

I have so far, in research terms, been unable to prove the connection between Anne John and William Davies Tirbach and indeed now feel that it is more likely that as her father was probably a James Davies then she was the aunt of Esther James, this William's wife. A fuller explanation is in the notes.

Researcher's note

I have been assisted in my research by my second cousin Gareth Morgan and encouraged by the enthusiasm of my Tirbach first cousin Glen Davies, my sincere thanks to both of them.

However, any errors of fact or opinion are mine alone.

Gareth Hicks

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The Anne John bible

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As mentioned in the Introduction, there is a bible in the Tirbach family which was given to an Anne John in 1771 by the Esgairdawe chapel. In 1852 William Davies Tirbach wrote in it that it was "now his", and, whilst it has yet to be proved by established relationship, it was assumed that it had been handed down to him in the same way that it has been handed downto Glen Davies Cwmnanthopkin, the current custodian, and direct male descendant of William.

Although to do so is my dearest wish, it has so far not been possible to prove any relationship between Anne John and William Davies for the reasons that will become clear as the story unfolds.

Esgairdawe is a small hamlet right on the Pencarreg/Cayo parish line, but not far from the Llansawel line too.The chapel building still stands although it is now lived in as a house, the adjoining cemetery is still in evidence.

The Independent church at Esgairdawe was formed in c 1755, its full history is contained in

Presumably the chapel gave the bible to Anne John in 1771 when she became a member of the chapel, I also assume she would have been in the 5/10 age range then, so born say between 1761 and 1766   (Too many assumptions already!)

In the Llansawel records in 1763 is the baptism of Ann daughter of John David, did she become Ann[e] John under the patronymic system?   It is very tempting to think so

Another twist to the tale is that on the 1841 census at Tyrbach,  Llandeilofawr was an Anne Davies aged 75 [she could have been anything up to79], said to be " independent " suggesting she had means of her own and was not "on the parish".

The head was a William James, his wife and children are also shown. Sadly, this particular census did not show relationships between the residents so we aren't given any clue if there was one in this case.

She was born " in same county ".

That James family were still there in 1851 but the 1841 Anne Davies is probably the one who died in 1842 at Pontgwladys, see below.

Our own William Davies arrived at Tyrbach sometime between his marriage in 1851 and " laying claim " to the bible in 1852.

Clearly, the big question here is " are Anne John and Anne Davies the same person "?

And if so, is there a connection to our William Davies? Or is the connection to the William James family, and/or to Esther James,William Davies's wife ?

It may of course be just a coincidence that both ladies' probable birth year ranges match pretty well but this is certainly a factor in the theory for them being the same person.

I have details of an Anne Davies who died in 1842 at Pontgladys, Pentre Llandeilofawr, aged 79 which makes her born in 1763. The certificate says she was the daughter of a James Davies, farmer.
The informant was a John James of Treiorwg which is near to Pontgwladys[Ffairfach] on modern map.

I now believe there is a connection between this John James [ and possibly the 1841 Tyrbach William James] with William Davies's wife Esther [James], this is fully discussed on the separate pages for the David James family.

However, the deceased's father's name does not match the 1763 baptism in Llansawel for " Ann daughter of John David " despite the coinciding birth years .

My summary of where all that leaves us;

My next approach to the link question is to wonder if the 1763 Anne daughter of John David, who could still be the bible Anne John, can be linked to the David Davies born c 1800 who is the father of William Davies Tirbach. Or,  if that is the wrong baptism, can another link be established?

This last narrative was not meant to be a " mystery tour " of unrelated genealogical facts, I beg the reader to take a deep breath and continue reading into the next section with patience and forbearance, matters will surely improve .........

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David Davies 1800

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The known facts;

William and Esther's marriage cert in 1851 shows his father as David Davies , farmer.

We have not found a baptism for William, we do not know his mother's name.

On various census returns William shows himself as being born in the parish of Llansawel, and his likely birth year c 1826/7.

Route One

Even allowing the assumption that William, and his parents, would be found somewhere in his birth parish of Llansawel in 1841, as opposed to any other parish, there were several possible families with David Davies as head, with a variety of wives' names, but mostly without a son called William born c 1826/7.

However, it was more than likely that a 15 year old son would have left home anyway.

There is no point in troubling the reader any further with all the machinations of my method of "deciding on the most likely candidates", suffice to say that it wasn't straightforward!

One key factor I must explain is " the Enock factor ", which is that William Tirbach *did* have  a brother called Enock .

It became known in the research process that an "Auntie Jane Enock "had existed in Cwmgors in living memory; our Enock had a daughter called Jane.

Also, that a William Davies, the crudd in Cwmgors, allegedly a cousin of my grandfather William, was a son of the same Enock by a different wife.
I also learned that William, the shoe maker, referred to Jane as his half sister.

It may therefore be understood why the following family stood out as the one to go with.

1841 census of Llansawel at a place called Lanwen, Llansawel, Glyn hamlet,

This David/Mary will from now on be known as Lanwen David/Mary etc.

Perhaps the reader will shudder in disbelief to learn that even now a new problem arose.

We found another William and Enock aged 15 and 12 on the 1841 Llansawel census !

This is the entry;

AND, in a separate building

Blaen yr esker is very near to Lanwen and I simply do not believe that there were in fact two sets of brothers [not that they needed to be brothers at Blaeyresker] of exactly the same age living so close. I have come across this " double counting " phenomenon elsewhere, it is the family historian's nightmare

One explanation is that because they were working on another farm so near to home then the two boys were popping home to mam quite often and total confusion reigned over "where they lived " for census purposes, it was the very first census return of its type as well.
I like it !

For me, the clincher is the fact that the Pentre Parr Enock's father was a David Davies, it would be quite an extraordinary coincidence if, firstly, there were two Enock Davieses of the same age in 1841 and, secondly, both had fathers called David.

So, the Lanwen family is the one for me.

For the approximate position of Lanwen, the 1841 census listing was as follows; Drefach, Castell, Tynewydd, Lanwen, Eskertithe, Eskercine, Llewele, Trawscoed.

Lanwen is not marked on any old maps I've seen but on the modern map there is a " Lan Ddu Cilwenau " which looks interestingly similar, this is NW of Bancyglyn and W of Cwmhowel.

In the book [copy at Carmarthen library] " History of Llansawel" by Fred Price [1898] on page 23 [in a section about the Methodists in Llansawel] is related an incident at the Calvinistic Methodist chapel in " the late 1840 s " where children are asked the question " Pwy yw eich bugail chi, blant bach ? ",  [ who is your shepherd, children bach ] one answered with the unexpected reply, " Deio Lanwen yw ein bugail ni ". [ Deio Lanwen is our shepherd]

The author explains all,

"Dafydd Lanwen was the shepherd 'par excellence' of the neighbourhood in those days.
He lived at Lanwen, a straw thatched cottage on the lands of Cilwena uchaf. David was never seen without some half a dozen sheep dogs at his heels.
He was well known from Llanybyther to Brecon "

On page 35 there is a reference to a James Williams " of Cilwenau-uchaf "in 1846.

Interestingly the occupant of Lanwen on the 1861 census was described as a shepherd.

This couple were married in next door Cynwyl Gaeo parish on 10 Dec.1823, David of Llansawel and Mary Davies 'of this parish', witnesses Wm Davies /Daniel Evans.

By the 1851 census the family were no longer at Lanwen, and the parents were not found anywhere else in Llansawel parish, nor in Llangadog or Llandeilofawr for that matter.

Two possible, even likely, entries for them are in Cayo parish;

You just can't ignore the Brynfedwen link, the exact house where Mary's parents lived in 1841.
Unfortunately, there is no Brynfedwen shown on the 1851 census, and in 1871 someone else altogether were there.

Bearing in mind the Cayo marriage, this Mary's birth parish fits in, and just as relevant, all of the 1841 children have almost certainly been found elsewhere, see their separate entries below.

We don't think either David or Mary had died, so a couple, alone, is what we needed to find on the assumption they had no further children after John age 3 in 1841.

There were in fact four David/Mary Davies couples in Cynwyl Gaeo in 1851 but the other three have been variously discounted.

David's age in 1851 is 2 years out from the 1841 census but the latter " rules " required ages to be rounded down to the nearest 5, so no problem as such.

It is a bigger problem that his birth parish varies from Llanybyther,CMN to Llanwenog,CGN !

Is it possible that the 1851/61 couples are not the same people?
Surely not.

Will the real David Davies step forward ?

So, we now have a choice of birth parishes.

If we follow the 1851 census route with David aged 52 at Bryntelych then we would expect to find his baptism in Llanybyther parish c 1799. This isn't really complicated by the fact that Lanwen David said he was " of Llansawel " on his 1823 marriage entry, he could have simply moved parish after all, and his shepherding activities seemed to cover an extensive area.

These are the David Davies baptisms found in period 1797/1800 in the Llanybydder records;

I favour the two entries in 1798, it is quite tempting to pick on James/Mary as the ones since Lanwen David may well have had a first born son  - named James after his grandfather (see more on this under the  Children section below). The tradition even holds good if William Tirbach was the second son named after his mother's father [who I later theorise was indeed a William], and of course William Tirbach had a son called James !
Are we all convinced ? Hmm......

Taking this a step further then, on a Marriage Index for Carmarthenshire there are only two likely James/Mary Davies marriages pre 1798;

No direct Llanybydder connection here, it would be tempting to follow the Llansawel link but the fact that Lanwen David would have been born when assumed mother Mary aged c 44 [even if she married at 16], or even nearer 50,  that may be thought something of a hurdle.

Just to keep " all the balls in the air ", there are several marriages in Carmarthenshire "in period " for a James David to a Mary but there is only one that stands out ;

This could link in to the July 1798 baptism in Llanybydder for David with parents James/Mary .

I found no other James Davies on the 1841 Llansawel census apart from the Foesgotta James Davies (see below re Foesgotta)

It is not impossible that the above James might be the Foesgotta James although he would have had to have been married previously to the 1805 marriage to Jane, and his age [ born c 1780] makes this only just viable. Perhaps both James and Mary were only 16 when they married ?

Not very convincing, especially as Foesgotta James was born in Llansawel, but the parish border was so near........

Reverting back to Anne John, and/or to the 1763 baptism for "Anne dau of John David ".
On the James Index there is no likely marriage c 1780+ for an Ann[e] David or Davies but there is a marriage in Llansawel for an Anne John in 1792 to David Davies[St Peters] , it does seem late in the day for our Anne who would have been nearly 30 on marriage?

However, perhaps we should follow the Llanwenog, Cardiganshire birth parish route as per the 1861 census entry?

As I said at the outset of the David Davies section of this story, I have not yet managed to prove any link between Lanwen David and Anne John.

Perhaps a reasoned interpretation of the known facts could well produce the assumption that Lanwen David's father was a James Davies. Unless he was born in Llanwenog...........

It is certainly a case of " too many Davieses spoiling the broth ".

A Foesgotta connection , or not ?

A possibility of a family link to the Davieses at the Foesgotta farms is tempting to consider.

William & Enoch were at Blaenyresker  in 1841 and possibly John at Rhyglyn in 1851. (both Blaenyresker and Rhyglyn being Foesgotta family farms apparently)

Two of the 1851 Foesgotta family census entries;

Are the Lanwen David [of Llansawel on marriage entry] and the James Davies [born Llansawel] of Foesgotta related ? Although there is the probability that Lanwen David was born in Llanybyther. Or is a possible connection  with James's wife Jane [ Pencarreg]?

There is a similarity of children's names running through both families.

Whatever, no baptism was found in Llansawel for James Davies in 1779/83, [although Llanybydder is yet to be searched for him] so no link so far made between the Lanwen and Foesgotta Davieses.

 

Mary Davies, wife of 'David Lanwen'

The Lanwen couple were married in Cynwyl Gaeo parish in 1823 , her maiden name was also Davies she was " of this parish " and presumably born there.
One witness at Mary's wedding was a Wm Davies

Son John's birth cert also confirms her maiden name as Davies.

On the Cynwil Gaeo Marriage Index at Carms RO is a marriage for William David and Elinor Morgan in 1786
Assuming aged 20 at marriage this would have them born c 1766.
Now know Elinor aged 82 on death cert in 1846 = birth year 1764
William aged 86 on death cert in 1856 = 1770 and aged 83 on 1851 census =1768.
Making him  16 /18 in 1786 and her 22, not impossible

Frustratingly, we find another marriage in the Conwyl Cayo records

This makes the parentage of all post 1794 baptisms difficult,  wonder whether "our" William David was known as William David Wiliam John (see below) in order to avoid confusion

 

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The next entry is also Troedyrhiw Isaf again (perhaps same house, different household)

The daughter Anne's death certificate states  - Anne Williams, 58 daughter of William Davies, mason, died November 1862.  There's no record of Anne ever marrying

The death cert details for William Davies; -  mason, 86, died July 1856 in Maescastell, Conwyl Cayo (a mile from where Troedyrhiw was).
Death cert details for Eleanor; - died in Brynfedwen in March 1846, aged 82, with William Davies present at the death.

 

The death certificate of a William Williams, mason, Postgwyn, Conwyl Cayo, who died in November 1847 aged 40 may be relevant, the informant was a  Mary Davies, Bryntelych Lodge.  We think  this William Williams was probably the son of William David as a baptism record of one of William Williams' children has him living in Brynfedwen in 1834 and that Mary Davies, Bryntelych Lodge, was his sister.

A further link with Brynfedwen and William David are entries in one of the Conwyl Cayo Vestry Minute Books dated Jan 1815 and Feb 1816 showing an agreement with William David William John for nursing a child named Maria Evan Jones. Caio church burial records show an entry for Maria Evan Jones, Brynfedwen, buried Feb 1817 aged 2.

 

Baptisms in the C/Gaeo P/reg  to a William David in period 1789/1800 [many illegible entries]

 

Items 3, 6, 7 & 8 have the " mason " reference, presumably same Wm David

No 3 could be Mary Davies of Lanwen - although a bit of a stretch since  she was shown as aged 40 in 1841 census; a Wm David witness at her 1823 marriage, her maiden name Davies on son's birth cert.

It is likely that this John (7) is the one at the 'other' Troedyrhiw Isaf in 1851, aged 47, also a mason  (I have a contact who descends from  this John Williams)

And the Anne (8) is likely the Anne Davies/Williams at Brynfedwen/Troedyrhiw Isaf in 1841/51

Apparently patronymics  are involved with the Davies/David/Williams name variants - although surprising to see patronymics alive and well as late as this, but quite possible nevertheless, it is a fairly rural neck of the woods after all.   But it's odd to see William David as Williams in 1851 since his full patronymic name would appear to be William ap David ap William ap John.

 On Old-maps Brynfedwen is at 264817,240031, just west of Pumpsaint. Shown on modern streetmaps, although un-named, between Penarth uchaf and isaf.

 

This is a possibility for Eleanor's baptism -

Her name was Elinor Morgan on marriage and her age at death suggests a birth year of c1764

In   Hanes Eglwys Annibynnol Esgairdawe, p22, is  a reference to the above baptism;

Rhydlydan is just north of Maes-troyddyn fawr in Cayo.

These further Rhydlydan bapts in the book;

There is a Morgan Williams listed as a deacon on p23, date unclear but possibly c1767

Reference on p89, in a section concerning The Rev Evan Jones, Crug-y-bar c 1823

p193/4, section re the chapel deacons, a list of some deacons who served 1690-1848 includes these two;

p197 a list of chapel members in 1828, includes

 

Caio church burials

Possibly they are the parents of Morgan Williams above and the grandparents of Elinor Davies Brynfedwn

 

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The children of David and Mary Davies, Lanwen

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In the Esgairdawe chapel register are these baptisms;

It is just possible that the above two baptisms are the Lanwen couple's first two children , they married in Dec 1823 after all , and otherwise William born 1826/7 would be the first born of those at Lanwen in 1841.

It is interesting to speculate that if James was the eldest son then a father for Lanwen David called James makes sense, see later.

Against that, we don't know of another Esgairdawe chapel link apart from with Anne John .

On the 1841 census, Crachthir has a Thomas Harries there. It is near Pistyllgwinni and Penygelli which are due north of Llansawel village, not far from Llanwen westwards and not that far to the east from Bryntelych across the nearby Cayo border [I think Bryntelych on the modern map may be called Froodvale].

William 1826/7, see separate page

 

Eleanor 1832

Penlan [Pen y Lan on old map?], is quite near to the Rhyglin /Blaenyrescer farms [the Foesgotta Davies family where William/Enock were in 1841].

She married in Llansawel parish in 1855, Elinor Davies age 23, she then lived at Foesgotta, father David Davies, labourer; to David Thomas age 24, ag lab, lived at Achetisa, father John Thomas, labourer. Witnesses Daniel Davies and ?.

This  is she as a widow  on the 1881 census at  

Her brother David also in Towy Terrace, Llandilo in 1881.

Mary

In 1871 the daughter Mary is an under barmaid living at the Cawdor Arms in Llandeilo, aged 14.
She married in Llandeilo on 29th May 1876 to Charles Jones, a tailor from Llandrindod - her father is named as David Thomas - labourer, and she was living in Church St. The witnesses were a William Davies and an Edward Davies,parish clerk.
Mary and Charles had two children in Llandeilo, a Mary Matilda, who died, and a David Charles. They are living in Radnorshire by the time of the 1881 census. Mary and Charles kept public houses - the Drovers Arms in Howey, near Llandrindod and the Ridgebourne Hotel in Llandrindod. She died in 1915 and is buried at the Providence Baptist Chapel in Howey. Her children's names were David Charles, another Mary Matilda to replace the one who died, Penry Stanley, Eleanor Agnes, William Garnett, Maevynia, Cyril Parry, Blodwen and Tudor Thomas.

David 1835

Possibly him on 1851 census Llangadog at

Probably him on 1881 censu in Llandeilofawr; Towy Terrace, Llandilo Fawr

 

John 1838

Have his birth cert, born 21 Oct 1838 at Lanwen, father David Davies labourer, mother Mary Davies formerly Davies.

Probably him on 1851 census Llansawel

Probable sighting for him in Aberdare, Gla in 1881

And on 1891 census, not sure what his birth parish means but clearly same family as 1881

 

Enock 1829

No trace of his baptism in either Llansawel or Cynwil Gaeo.

See above for confusion as to where he actually was on census night in 1841

Interestingly, Esther James [brother William's wife to be] was at this same farm in 1841

When  Enock's son William born in 1857 he was living at Pentre Lodge.
The birth cert shows Enoch as a Railway lab.

His 1st marriage was to Anne Thomas in Llfwr in 1855, bachelor, labourer, full age, of Pentre Parr Lodge, father, David Davies, labourer.
She was also full age, of Pencae, father Matthew Thomas, cooper. Witnesses were William James and William Morgan.

Anne was buried in Llandeilofawr on 7th January 1857, her son William was born on 4th January 1857, it appears she died in childbirth.

Enock's second marriage was in 1860, shows him as a widower, aged 30 of Pentre Parr Lodge, a servant, father David Davies, labourer, he married Mary Jones age 26 of Danyrallt, father John Jones, tailor. Witnesses Thomas James & John Gwillim.

Wife now a Margaret, he was therefore married  3 times.

Pentre Parr Lodge is near Maesyquarre and Ysguborwen [Lewin Hickses ] on census, on map east of Llandeilo on Bethlehem road, turn off to Gwynfe.

 

Enock's children

  William, their only child, born 1857.

Most of the information that follows came from Myra Madge, William's granddaughter.

William was a crudd in Cwmgors [opposite old Rock Shop] as far back as Myra remembers, [she was born 1919].

He lived at 24 Gors St, died c 1928 whilst with Myra at 42 Gors St.
Ann,his wife, died in 1914.
Myra recalls a Mrs Parsons from Llangadock as his housekeeper, probably from 1914 when Rees, her father, got married.
William buried at Hen Garmel, died June 1928.

Shown on 1st cousin John Davies's [Tirbach] estate [ see separate page] in 1922 as owed £10/11/-, described as William Davies Boot & Shoe maker.

Marriage in 1880 at Tabernacle, Llfwr, age 24, shoemaker, living at Pentre Parr, father Enoch, to Anne Lloyd, 27. Witnesses Enoch Davies and John Thomas.

His uncle David Davies and cousin Eleanor Thomas also in Llandilo town, David  even in Towy Terrace too.

1901 census in Cwmgors

I don't understand the last name since he married Ann Lloyd. but maybe the ma in law had remarried?

The next entry on the census was Thomas Howells, tailor/draper, so looks like they already lived in the house next door and opposite the Rock Shop.

No sign of children Gwen and Enoch (below) which makes me wonder about accuracy of the data.

We have photographs of William/Anne, and also their sons together.

Children of William/Anne;

 

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