Ancestry of Phillip Harrison McKinstry

Ancestry of Phillip Harrison McKinstry



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Richard FISKE and Agnes CRISPE




Husband Richard FISKE

           Born: Abt 1527 - Laxfield, Suffolk, England
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           Died: 5 Nov 1572 - Laxfield, Suffolk, England
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         Father: Richard FISKE (Abt 1493-1565)
         Mother: 


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Wife Agnes CRISPE

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         Buried: 1597 - Laxfield, Suffolk, England



Children

General Notes (Husband)

A sevemaker (sieve maker?). Will, dated Setp 7 1572. Proved November of that year.

Richard Fiske was taxed 2s 8d. at laxfield, on lands valued at 1 pound, in the subsdiy of 1567-8.

The Will of Richard Fyske of Laxfelde, "sevemake", daetd 7 September 1572. "I do protest my self to die an humble and penitent synner." To be buried in Laxfelde churchyard, or wehrever I die. To my wife Agnes the tenement wherein I dwell, with the lands, meadow and apsture for life, she to educate and bring up my children, with remainder to my daughters Marie and Margaret, or, in case they die, s.p., to my daughters Anne and Elizabeth, who are to pay to my son Elye 10 pounds. To my daugther Anne my great meadow in Laxfield. To my son Elie my tenement lately purchased of my father-in-law, Edmunde Crispe, he paying to said Edmund 50 pounds, in accordance with agreement, and to my daughter Elizabeth 40 pounds, in installments. To my son Elie my timber, tools, and all things belonging to my occupation. My wife is to have teh residue and imlements if husbandry, while sole, twoards bringing u my children. If she mary, [she is to have] one-half only,and the other one-half to my children. Executor: my wife Agnes, with my son Elie, "in whom I repose a special trust & confidence" Spervisor: my brother Robert Fiske. Wtinesses: John Fiske, Jefferie Fiske, Nicholas Fiske, John Elwis, Nicholas Lane, John Petyver. Proved 5 November 1572 by the executors. (Archdeaconry o fsfufolk (Ipswich Probate Registry), book 24, fo. 188)


General Notes (Wife)

She was the daughter of Edmund Crispe, as per her husband's will.
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John Noyse and Anne Crispe




Husband John NOYSE

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       Marriage: Bef 1552 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England




Wife Anne CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1521
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           Died: 
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         Father: William CRISPE (      -      )
         Mother: Anne GODBOLD (Abt 1493-1554)





Children

General Notes (Husband)

He must be who Foxe said in his Book of Martyrs was burned at the stake for Puritanism. Foxe identified him as Nicholas Fiske's brother in law.

Stott identifies him as a shoemaker who was burned at teh stake at Laxfield, for heresy, 22 Sep 1557. Nicholas Fiske of Dennington, John's brother in law, visited the condemned man at teh Guildhall in Norwich, where he was being held prisoner, to comfort him, to inquire i fhe feared death, and to detrmine the cause of his condemnation.

At http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/johnfoxe/apparatus/12commentary.html

This account first appeared in the 1570 edition and is based on Noyes's writings and on the testimony of individual informants. But John Noyes is very probably the 'Moyse' whose escape from capture is described in 1563, p. 1698. (This is supported by the fact that the sentence condemning John Moyse of Lichfield, Suffolk, survives among Foxe's papers as BL, Harley MS 421, fos. 159r-160r).


Moyse Labourer. Of Suffolk. Nunn went to Denham in search of Moyse, whom he chased on horseback through the fields. Moyse managed to escape. 1563, p. 1698.

Aister Nownd of Martilshā in Suffolke, iustice of peace wēt to Debnhā for to seke for one Moyse , who woulde not come to the Church, and when he could not fynde hym in the towne, he learned that he was in the feld.
Maister Nownde persecutor. Thether he rode with his men folowing hym on fote to catch Moyse: but Moyse being a loft vpon a cart, espied the stout Hunter, and perceiuing that he was the pray, made hast of the carte and toke him to his feete out of the field. Nownd folowed with hast on horse back, and his men on fote. But Moise lept ouer a hedge so that the horseman could follow him no longer, but sent hys men after to hallowe and hunt. But God dyd so hyde poore Moyse in a smal couert, that they retorned without their pray. So was the labor of thungodly frustrat.



John Noyes, a shoemaker, of Laxfield, Suffolk, was taken to Eye, and at midnight, September 21, 1557, he was brought from Eye to Laxfield to be burned. On the following morning he was led to the stake, prepared for the horrid sacrifice. Mr. Noyes, on coming to the fatal spot, knelt down, prayed, and rehearsed the Fiftieth Psalm. When the chain enveloped him, he said, "Fear not them that kill the body, but fear him that can kill both body and soul, and cast it into everlasting fire!" As one Cadman placed a fagot against him, he blessed the hour in which he was born to die for the truth; and while trusting only upon the all-sufficient merits of the Redeemer, fire was set to the pile, and the blazing fagots in a short time stifled his last words, "Lord, have mercy on me! Christ, have mercy upon me!" The ashes of the body were buried in a pit, and with them one of his feet, whole to the ankle, with the stocking on. (Chapter 16)

The following version looks like it was the victim of an OCR program.

MARTYRDOM OF JOHN NOYES, OF LAXE- FIELD, IN SUFFOLK.
About the same time as those persons whose fate we have just recorded, suffered John Noyes, and his apprehension and death were brought about in the following manner:
Some bigoted papists, who dwelt in the neighborhood, knowing him to be a professor of the true faith, and a despiser of the mass, and other Romish superstitions, determined to bring him to punishment; and accordingly, three of them, named Thomas Lovel, Wolfren Dowsing, and Nicholas Stannard, beset his house, and he attempting to go out, Nicholas Stannard called to him and said, " Whither goest thou *" to which he replied, "To see some of my neighbors." Stannard then said, " Your master hath deceived you; you must go with us now." To which Noyes answered, " No, but take you heed your master deceive not you." And so they took him and carried him before the justices the next day. After several matters had been alleged against him, he was conducted to a dungeon at Eye, where he was confined for some time, and was then carried from thence to Norwich, and before the bishop, where he was interrogated on the following subjects:
1. Whether he believed that the ceremonies used in the church were good and godly, to stir up men's minds to devotion.
2. Whether he believed the pope to be supreme head of the church here on earth.'
3. Whether he believed the body of our Lord Jesus Christ to be in the sacrament of the altar under the forms of bread and wine, after the words of consecration.'
To which he replied with great courage, denying the pope's supremacy, the use of ceremonies, and Christ's real presence in the sacrament.
Upon this, sentence was read by the bishop against him, in the presence of Dr. Dunning, his chancellor, Sir W. Wood- house, Sir Thomas Woodhonse, and several other gentlemen.
No further particulars of his examination are known; but we have the following account of his subsequent conduct and execution, from which we learn, in some measure, what took place on his appearance before the bishop:
In the mean time his brother-in-law, Nicholas Fisk, of Dinninpton, going to comfort him at such time as he remained in the Guildhall of Norwich, after Christian exhorCation, asked him if he did fear death when the bishop gave judgment against him, considering the terror of the same; and the said Noyes answered, he thanked God he feared death no more at that time, than he or any other did, being at liberty. Then the said Nicholas required of him to show the cause of his condemnation. Upon which request the said John Noyes wrote with his own hand as follows:

I said, That I could not believe, that in the sacrament of the altar there is the natural body of Christ, that same body that was born of the virgin Mary. But I said, th;il the sacrament of the body and blood of Christ is received by Christian people in the remembrance of Christ's death, as a spiritual food, if it be ministered according to Christ's institution.
But they said, That I could not tell what spiritual meant.
The bishop said, That the sacrament was God, and must be worshipped as God. So said the chancellor also.
Then answered I, and said, My lord, I cannot so believe.
Then said the bishop, Why? Then say what thou dost believe. Notwithstanding, these collusions could not prevail.
Now being condemned, he was sent again from Norwich to Eye-prison; and about the 21st day of September, about midnight, he was brought from Eye to Laxcficld, to be burned; and on the next morning was brought to the stake, where were waiting for his coming, the aforesaid justice, Mr. Thurston, one Mr. Waller, being then under-shcriff, and Mr. Thomas Lovel, high constable, as is before expressed; who commanded men to make ready all things meet for this sinful purpose. Now the fires in most houses of the street were put out, saving that a smoke was espied by the said Thomas Lovel, proceeding out from the top of a chimney, to which house the sheriff and Grannow his man went, and broke open the door, and thereby got fire, and brought the same to the place of execution. When Jolrn Noyes came to the place where he should be burned, he kneeled down and said the 50th Psalm, with other prayers, and then they making haste bound him to the stake, and being bound, the said John Noyes said, " Fear not then that can kill the body, but fear him that can kill both body and soul, and cast it into everlasting fire." .
When he saw his sister weeping ant making moan for him, he told her that she should not weep for him, but weep for her sins.
Then one Nicholas Cadman brought a fagot and set against him; and the saic John Noyes took up the fagot and kissed it,
and said, Blessed be the time that ever I was bom to come to this. . Then he delivered his psalter to the un- der-sheriff, desiring him to be good to hia wife and children, and to deliver to her hat same book; and the sheriff promised iim that he would, notwithstanding he never performed his promise. Then the said John Noyes said to the people, " They say they can make God of a piece of bread; relieve them not."
Then said he, " Good people, bear witness that I do believe to be saved by the merits and passion of Jesus Christ, and not i_y mine own deeds." And so the fire was .indli,il. and burning about him, he then said, " Lord, have mercy upon me! Christ, iave mercy upon me! Son of David, have mercy upon me!"
And so he yielded up his life, and when iis body was burned, they made a pit to jury the coals and ashes, and amongst the same they found one of his feet that was mburnod, whole np to the ankle, with the jose on, and that they bnried with the rest.
Now while be was burning, there stood by one John Jnrvis, a servant in the same town, a plain fellow, who said, " Good Lord, bow the sinews of his arms shrink up!" And there stood behind him Grannow and Benet, the sheriff's men, and they toM their master, that John Jarvis said, " What vil- lanous wretches are these!" And their master ordered them to apprehend him, and they took him and pinioned him, and carried him before the justice that same day, and the justice did examine him of the words aforesaid, but he denied them, and answered that he said nothing but this, " Good Lord, how the sinews of his arms shrink up!" But for all this the justice did bind his father and his master in live pounds apiece, that he should be forthcommg at all times. And on the Wednesday following, he was brought again before the justices, Mr. Thurston and Mr. Kene, sitting at Fresingfield, Hoxton Hundred, and there they did appoint and command, that the said John Jarvis should be set in the stocks the next market-day, and whipped about the market naked. But his master, one William Jarvis, did after crave friendship of the constables, and they did not set him in the stocks till Sunday morning, and in the afternoon they did whip him about the market with a dog-whip, having three cords, and so they let him go.
The following letter was written by Noyes to his wife, while he lay in prison.
Wife, you desired me that I would send
you some tokens that you might remember
me. As I did read in the New Testament,
I thought it good to write uuto you certain places of the Scripture for a remembrance. St . Peter saith, 1 Pet . iv., "Dearly beloved, be not troubled with this heat that is come among you to try you, as though some strange thing had happened unto you, but rejoice, insomuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings, that when his glory nppeareth ye may be merry and glad. If

Cbe railed on for the name of Christ, ppy are ye, for the Spirit of glory, and the Spirit of God, resteth upon you.
" It is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing than for evil doing.
" See that none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or an evil doer, or as a busy body in other men's matters; but if any man suffer as a Christian man, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in his behalf; for the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God. If it first begin with us, what shall the end of them be, that believe not the gospel of God i Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God, commit their souls unto him in well doing."
St . Paul saith, 2 Tim. iii., " all that will live godly in Christ Jesus, must suffer persecution.
St . John saith, 1 John ii., " See that ye love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, as the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world, which vanisheth away and the lust thereof, but he that fulfilleth the will of God abideth for ever."
St . Paul saith, Col. iii. " If ye be risen again with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things that are above, and not on things which are on earth."
Our Savior Christ' saith, Matt . xviii. " Whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a mill-stone were hanged about his neck, and that he were cast into the sea.11
The prophet David saith, Psal. xxxiv. " Great are the troubles of the righteous, bnt the Lord delivereth them out of all.
" Fear the Lord, ye saints: for they that fear him lack nothing.
" When the righteous cry, the Lord hear- eth them, and delivereth them out of all their troubles; but misfortune shall slay the ungodly, and they that hate the righteous shall perish.
" Hear, O my people. I assure thee, O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me, there shall no strange God be in thee, neither
ihalt thou worship any other God. Oh that my people would obey me: for if Israel would walk in my ways, I should soon put down their enemies, and turn mine hand against thine adversaries."
Our Savior Christ saith, " The disciple is not above the master, nor yet the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disci- jle to be as his master is, and that the servant be as his lord is. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household so! fear not them therefore."
St. Paul saith, 2 Cor. iv., " Set yourselves there at large, and bear not a stranger's yoke with the unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? what company hath light with darkness ? or what part hath the believer with the infidel ?" &c. Wherefore come out from among them, and separate yourselves now (saith the Lord), and touch no unclean thing; so will I receive you, and I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
" For neither eye hath seen, nor the ear hath heard, neither can it enter into the heart of man what good things the Lord hath prepared for them that love him." I Cor. ii.
" Ye are bought neither with silver nor gold, but with the precious blood of Christ." iPet . i.
" There is none other name given to men wherein we must be saved," Acts iv.
So fare ye well, wife, and children: and leave worldly care, and see you be diligent to pray.
" Take no thought, (saith Christ , Matt . vi.) saying, What shall we eat, or what shall we drink, or wherewith shall we be clothed ? (for after all these things seek the Gentiles) for your heavenly Father know- eth that ye have need of all these things, but seek ye first the kingdom of heaven, and the righteousness thereof, and all these things shall be ministered unto you."
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Mayhew and Daughter Crispe




Husband MAYHEW

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Wife Daughter CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1519
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           Died: Bef 1552
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         Father: William CRISPE (      -      )
         Mother: Anne GODBOLD (Abt 1493-1554)





Children

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Nicholas FISKE and Joan Crispe




Husband Nicholas FISKE

           Born: Abt 1517 - Laxfield, Suffolk, England
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           Died: 1569 - Dennington, Suffolk, England
         Buried: Bef 28 Sep 1569


         Father: Richard FISKE (Abt 1493-1565)
         Mother: 


       Marriage: Abt 1548 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England




Wife Joan CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1527
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         Father: William CRISPE (      -      )
         Mother: Anne GODBOLD (Abt 1493-1554)





Children
1 F Mary FISKE

           Born: Abt 1561
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           Died: 16 Jan 1650 - Dedham, Norfolk, Massachusetts
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         Spouse: Anthony FISHER (1558-1640)
           Marr: 16 Oct 1586 - Syleham, Suffolk, England
         Spouse: John RIGBY (      -      )
         Spouse: Edward BRECK (      -      )



2 F Ester FISKE

           Born: Abt 1556 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England
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           Died: Mar 1579
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3 M Amos FISKE

           Born: Abt 1551 - Dennington, Suffolk, England
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           Died: 28 May 1612 - Dennington, Suffolk, England
         Buried: 31 May 1612
         Spouse: Mary GYRLYNGE (      -1612)
           Marr: 17 Oct 1574 - Dennington, Suffolk, England



4 M William FISKE

           Born: Abt 1549 - Prob Dennington, Suffolk, England
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           Died: 13 Aug 1580
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         Spouse: Helen PAYNE (      -      )
           Marr: 27 Sep 1574 - Dennington, Suffolk, England



5 F Rachel FISKE

           Born: Abt 1554
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           Died: Bef 1579
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6 F Martha FISKE

           Born: Abt 1561
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           Died: 
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         Spouse: Robert GOLDING (      -      )
           Marr: 2 Nov 1609 - Syleham, Suffolk, England




General Notes (Husband)

Nicholas Fiske appears on the Laxfeild muster roll in 1543, and was taxed 3d. at Laxfield in 1543-44. In the Sbusidy of 1567-68 he was taxed 2s. 8d at Dennington, on lands valued at 2 pounds, and 9s. 4d. at Laxfield, on lands valued at 4 pounds.

In his will, he named hsi wife Johane, his father in law, William Crispe of Laxfield, his four children, Rachel, Ester, mary, and Martha, his son William and his (the testator's) wife Johane, William's mother, and his (the testator's) wife Johane, William's mother, and his (the testator's) son Amos Fiske.

"Of him [Nicholas Fiske] Mr. Foxe makes mention in his story of John Noyes burnt at Laxfield." (Candler Manuscripts.) Supposedly he was John Noyes' brother in law.
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General Notes (Wife)

NEHGR 1997. William Crispe of Laxfield, Suffolk. Clifford L. Stott.

The Fiske family of Laxfield, Suffolk, was explored in near exhaustive detail during the 1930s by the late G. Anderws Moriarty. ...

Nicholas Fiske of Dennington wrote his will on 20 Agu 1569. He died before 28 Sept of teh same year, when the will was proved. In this document Nicholas refers to his sons Wililam and Amos, his daughters Rachel, Esther, Mary, and Martha, his wife Johan, and his father-in-law William Crispe of Laxfield. It was Moriarty's belief that Johan was probably the second wife of Nicholas Fiske, based apparently on this passge in Nicholas's will which identifies Johan as the mother of his son William:

I geve and bequethe unto the sayde Wiliam my sonne and to his heyres for ever all my sayde mesuages landes and tenementes both free and bonde... after the death of teh sayde Johane my seife his mother.

Moriarty suggested that Johan's son William was the youngest child, while the other children were probably from an unknown first wife. However, asddtional research shows that Johan is very likely the mother of all of Nicholas Fiske's children, and lamost certainly the mother of Mary, whose sons Anthony and Joshua Fisher emigrated to New England.

(Fortunately I ignored the imagined first wife because no solid evidence of her existence or which children she might have parented.)

Teh will of William Crispe of Laxfield, dated 20 Nov 1552, shows that his daugther Johan was alerady teh wife of Nicholas Fsike by that date. A point apparently overlooked by Moriarty was that the four daughters of Nicholas Fiske were minors in 1569, when their father charged his wife Johan with raising and education ghtem. It is clear that the four girls wree born no earlier tahhn 1551. Furthermore no provision was made for raising William, the one stated child of Johan, or his brother Amos. The sons must have been older than the daughters, so Johan must have also been the mother of the daughters.

The will of Nicholas Fiske also specifies in which years the daughters were to receive their legacies, from which the birth order, if not the birth years, of the daughters can be calculated. Teh birth order of trhe daughtrers is: Rachel, Esther, Mary, and Martha. As the next-to-youngest daughtrer, it is unlikely that Mary could have been born before 1555. She married Anthony Fisher in 1586 and had children as late as 1599.

A study of Crispe wills in the Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk and the consistory Court of Norwich as well as a review of Laxfield adn Dennington deeds in the Davy Collection at the Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich, has failed to conclusively prove that the descent of William Crispe. A son William is identified in the will of Robert Crispe of Laxfield, tanner, butthe Crispe anme is considered too common in Laxfield adn vicinity to draw any firm concusions from the will alone. william owned sevral properties in Laxfield adn Dennington, but no deeds were found to show how he acquired these lands.


General Notes for Child Mary FISKE

Mary Fiske's ancestors are consistently found in the neighborhood of Laxfield, Suffolk, England, from the time of the Norman conquest. May have been there since the 9th century. Name means fish. One village where they lived was given a Germanic name for salmon lake. The Fisher family is as old in the same area.

Candler, a cousin, in a contemporary genealogical manuscript, says she married ___ Fisher of Syleham

Their position ranged from simple village yeomen to sheriff, and a different line may at a late date have become lords of a small manor. .Some of the family were wealthy clothiers. Mary's immediate ancestors were wheelwrights/ artisians, very prosperous, some sent sons to university to train for the clergy, and, partly because they also had Puritan leanings, some of those became Puritan clergy. One line of the family seems to have sent most of the numerous Fiske's that went to New England. This line contained a number of people who were fanatical Puritans and were severely persecuted for their cause.

Sources are an article in NEHGS, July 1997 (possibly see below), Sandra Wamsley (cited)

http://www.fiskes.co.uk/Richards_descendants.htm - Fiske Family Papers; web site on Fiske family of Suffolk, England, which reports extensive research in the parish and probate records for Laxfield and vicinity.

A posting in the [email protected] mailing list by Todd A. Farmerie in November 2004

REF: NEHGS vol151:292 and 300 (1997) articles on the ancestors of the Fishers of Dedham MS

The identity of Mary Fiske's parents is controversial. Several works on the family have advanced different reconstructions of the wills, court documents and church records from the area.

Here is the beginning of the 1932 NEHGR article on the Fiske family. (Article continues in installments over three years.) The article summarizes the earlier sources of information on the Suffolk roots of thsi family, then develops its own very different family tree.

A series of articles in 1997 NEHGR Anthony Fisher family, the Crispe family, and another family ancestral to Mary Fiske, identifies Mary's mother and changes which wife of her father was her mother. However they present no new arguments or information on the identity of her father, instead they refer to Moriarty's 1932-34 work.

The ancient Suffolk family of Fiske adn its connection with New England have long been known, and two books ... have been published about the family.

Fiske and Fish Family, by Frederick Clifton Pierce, Chicago, at Ancestry.com, and

The Fiske Family Papers, Henry Ffiske, in the family history collection at Brigham Young University libraries.

In spite of this the pedigree of the family has remained in great confusion and presents many difficulties... The American book is, in so far as teh pages dealing with the family in Enlgand are concerned, of little value, as teh very brief summaries of the wills there given contain numerous errors and omit many important details relating to the estates of the testators ... while the conclusions of the compiler are often incorrect. The Enlgish book contains much valuable material, but it is not as carefully compiled as it should be, with the result taht the pedigrees therein are often erroneous and misleading. From early times the family was very prolific, and the records... very voluminous and therefore confusing. In the American book the progenitor of the family in the fifteenth century, one branch of whose descendants became lords of the Manor of Stodleigh in Laxfield... is styled "Lord Symon Fiske", the compiler evidently being under teh impression that the lord of a manor and his remote ancestors were peers of the realm and entitled to be called "Lords". In the sixteenth century th ancestors of the American family exercised the useful but hardly noble calling of wheelwrights...

The pedigree of the branch which sent several members to America has been preserved in teh Candler Manuscripts, the better copy of which is in the Bodleian Library at Oxford. Matthias and Philip Candler, who were descendants of this branch and lived in the middle of the seventeenth century, were excellent genealogists, and they were sufficiently near the persons of whom tehy wrote to know the facts. The pedigree of the Laxfield-New England Fiskes, as given by the Candlers, begins with a certain Richard Fiske, who was living in the Braodgates of Laxfield in the middle of the sixteenth century." (Following is a discussion of why this Richard was teh son of Simon Fiske of Laxfield who wrote a will in 1536.) The ancestors of teh New England Fiskes were ntoable for their adherence to the Reformed Religion... At the time of the settlement of New Engalnd the Fiskes were a family of exceedingly prosperous artisians and yeomen, who sent several of their sons to the unversities, whence they went forth to become Puritan ministers."

Fiske and Fisk genealogy (Peirce) identifies Mary as the daughter of William Fiske and Anna Anstye (a number of variations of that last name exist), son of Robert Fiske and Sybilla (Gould) Barber. She is now identified as the daughter of this Robert's brother Nicholas Fiske and Joane Crispe.

There seem to have been a bunch of brothers. We seem to know they were brothers but they seem to have quite a number of fathers. The brothers include Robert, who married Sibylla (Gould) Barber, both of whom were persecuted for their Puritan beliefs; whose descendants include a grandson who wrote the Candler Manuscript, John Locke, quite a number of Fiske's who went to New England, including an outstanding minister and scholar who'd been persecuted in England, some fanatics, and three members of teh jury in the Salem witch trials; William, who was persecuted for his beliefs and whose grandson was executed at Bury St. Edmonds for killing his father;, Richard, who was persecuted for his beliefs, and Nicholas, who Foxe wrote in his book of martyrs was a brother in law of a Noyes of Suffolk who was burned at the stake.

Mary Fiske who married Anthony Fisher is variously supposed to have been a granddaughter of Robert, and the daughter of Nicholas. The theory that she is the daughter of Nicholas is more current and currently the accepted version, and I'm going by the family as put together by Moriarty in the NEHGR articles.

It does seem that every version on teh Internet, some of them put together on solid research, comes to slightly different conclusions.


General Notes for Child Ester FISKE

Died unmarried. As :Easter Fiske of Framlingham ad Castrum, Co Suffolk, songle woman, she declared her nuncupative will, which her brother Amos proved the next day.


General Notes for Child Amos FISKE

Born at Dennington about 1551, married there Mary Tyrlynge (Girling) 1574. Will dated May 28 1612. Buried at Denningon, on the same day as his wife Mary and son Wiliam. He apparently emplyed an Anthony Plumbton as manswervnat; he was buriedat Dennington on July 26, 1587.


General Notes for Child William FISKE

A yeoman, born around 1549, married Helen Payne at Dennington on Sept 27, 1574. His will, dated Aug 13, 1580, mentions wife, son Nicholas, daughters . He died in 1580, lived at Dennington.

Moriarty identifies his wife as Helen. Marriages at Dennington as reported by Moriarty say Willon Fyske and Hellyan married 27 September 1574. Helen was an unusual name.


General Notes for Child Rachel FISKE

Not mentioned in her sister Elizabeth's will.
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John FISKE and Margaret Crispe




Husband John FISKE

           Born: Abt 1514 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England
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         Father: Richard FISKE (Abt 1493-1565)
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       Marriage: Bef 1552




Wife Margaret CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1523
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           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: William CRISPE (      -      )
         Mother: Anne GODBOLD (Abt 1493-1554)





Children

General Notes (Husband)

Lived at Tivetshall. Married Mary Crispe's sister, according to Debbie, who has taken down her site. Moriarty article says no such thing.

Stott (1997 NEHGR) says that Margaret Crispe m bef 1552, ___ Fiske, perhaps John Fiske, the brother of Nciholas Fiske, who married Margert's sister Johan. This John Fiske settled in Tivetshall Norfolk, where he died in 1603/4, leaving among others his eldest son John, who was about the right age to ahve been teh grandson mentioned in teh will of Anne Crispe in 1553/4.


Moriarty has as his son William of Laxfield, wheelwright, who wrote a will dated 29 Dec 1590.


The Will of William Fiske of Laxfild "whelewright" being "visited with sickness", dated 29 Dec, 33 Elizabeth. To be buried in Laxfild churchyard. To my wife Jane my messuage ni Stradbroke [co Suffolk], for life, with remainder to John Punchyard, my brother-in-law, till John Punchyard, his son, my nephew and godson, be twenty-one. To Anne Borret, my wife's daughter, a joined "cheset of Abell. To Susanna Borret, my wife's daughter, a joined chest. Residue, including a bond of 40 pounds from my brother-in-law Jn. Punhcyard, to my wife Jane. to my brother'in'law Jn. Punchyard 10 pounsd and three hundred oaken boards and the best trees of oak in my yard. To my wife Jane three handsaws, a "haggsawe" and other tools [named], oaken boards in the long shed, and other timber [described]. to my brother John Fiske oak and "poople" boards, etc. to my brother Jeremie Fiske my sorrel colt, the residue of my tools belonging to my science, and the ersidue of timber. To my brother-in-law Thomas Borret, my black mare, three hundred oaken boards, and five cmobs of wheat, with the straw. To the poor of Laxfield 20s. Executrix: my wife Jane. Proved 26 January 1590/1. (Archdaeconry of Suffolk [Ipswich Probate Registry], book 33 fo.256)

Inventory, taken 7 January 1590 [1590/1], 200 pounds.

An Inventory indented of all the Goodes Cattells & Cattyll & Howsehold Stuff Implementes And utenssells of Howsehold. And allso of all Sutche Tymber bords and other Thynges w of Late sld appertayne and belonge unto Wyllum Ffyske Lae of Laxfeld in the countye of Stuff, whellwryght decessed Seane and p'sed the Seventhe daye of Januarii. Anno 1590 By Robert Borret John Smithe of P'kefelde Roger Godbakle Edmonde Jesoppe and Crispen Dawinge and others as ffolowethe.

In the hawle.

In p'rais One table wythe a frame Two Joyned fformes 13--4 (S--d)
It. one Square Table w'a Cubberd in it
Item One Joyned Cheste & one Coffer
It. on Calyver one ffowlying piece fflaske & Tochebox
Item 2 greate Bake Chayers and 2 Lesse Chayers
It. one ffyre panne and Tonges
It. one payer of Bellowes & a gredyiron
It. ffyve ffykkes of Bacons
It. ffyve Coffeyrs
It. one pyke and one morion
Syxe Bookes greate and Small
2 Kandyll Styckes
2 paynted Clothes
one Woodknyfe one brushe & one Syckle
one keepe or Glasse Casse
one Brush-hooke
6 panes of glasse in the wyndowe

In the Buttreye
one greate Brasse panne
12 peaces of pewter
one greate Kettell and 4 Skylletts
4 Small Kettells
9 Alle ffyrkyns
one Brasse poot & one Chaffyndyshe
2 Spyttes and one Droppying panne
2 payer of poothoks
one payer of Musterd Quecons
ffyve pewter prrengers
4 Steme pootts & one dosen Trenchers
4 pales w' Iron Bayles
one Allestoole
one Lether Bottell an done Skonse
one Hatchet and one Hooke

In the Lyttell Howsse by the Butterye
one wollen whelle 3 Mandes a Bookyenge Tubbe 2 Temses a Bonchyng Blooke and the Byetells (that's what it says)
2 pay'e of Bootes and two paeyr of Shooss
2 Bordynge Skeppes
one Passhyll and one Hagge Sawe

In the Chamber over the sayd Lyttell Howse

Item one olde ffetherbed and Bollster

In the Cmaber over the Butterye

in Wheate by Estimacion 10 busshell

In the Chamber behynde the Chymnys on the Northsyd

one Joyned Bedsteade one olde fetehr bedde one Boullster one Blanket & one paynted Clothe
2 Old Coffers
one payer of Towe Combes a Rollyng pynne and a Battyldore
Sartayne Towe Redys dressed

In the upper Chamber behynde the Chemnye
Item one posted Bedsteade w a Joyned Testor Twoe feeatherbedds one boulster 2 blanketts
2 joyned Chestes
2 Downe pyllowes
one paynted Clothe
one Bowe of Ewe and sartayne arrowes and one Armyne Swoorde
a sartayne old Iren and a Payer of Wolle Cardys
2 old Coffers adn Shellves to laye in Apparell
all yhs Apparell

In the othe rChamber behynde the Chimnye
one joyned Bedsteade w a fetherbedd Boulster and a Coverynge
one Trundell bedstead Joyned one ffetherbedde and one Boulster
one Joyned Cheste one Coffer
two Deskes
one Cappecase one Boxe

The Lynnen and Naperye
2 Sohelales Table clothes table Napkins Towells pyllowe Keepes and other Lynnen
in Lynnen Yearnes

On the Hawle Chamber
in Wheate by estimacion 6 bussehlls
in Malte 3 Barrells
in sartayne Apples and Peares
olde Bordes and Shellves to Laye apples upon and other Sawen Tymber
one Bownett one Batfoullyng nett and sartayne olde Iron
One Stylle & sartayne halfe Inche borde

In the Bakehouse

One Salltyng Troughe w a Cote
one peele of Iron and one Spytte
one Longe Stoole and a Shelffe
one paryngs Iron and one Hall

In the Chesse Howsse
One Chssepresse and a Salltyng traye
one Cauldryon of Red Brasse
2 Chayers 2 olde Tubbes
9 Mylk Bolles and one Traye
4 Chesse ffatts & 2 Breades
2 fykyns of Whyght Heryngs
3 ffykyn of Swette Butter
Chesse Brodes Shellves & one dressyng stoole
one ffleshe Tubbe olde Erthen Poottes and 2 Bread graates
one Copper panne
one Hallfe Barrell of Vergesse

On the Chesse Chamber
in Chesse by Estimacion 2 wayes
one Beame and Skooles & Leade wayghtes
sartayne Bee skeppes and Wheate Drosse
4 Chesse Bordes and 3 Tressells
1 Hallfe Barrell of Vergesse one Olde Tubbe and sartayne Hoppes

In the Shoppe behynde the Bakehowsse

one payer of malte Quearnes & one Boltynghutche
one olde Trewde and 8 postes for bedds
one Joyners Benche one planke a Lytell Troughe and other Small Tryssells
3 Seaves and one olde Sakke

In the Chamber over the Bakehowsse

poople bordes and other Tymber for Cartes Tumbrells and other Thynges

In the Bearne

Wheate in the Shoffe by estimacion Twenty Combes
4 Chessepresse plankes
Carte Styrnges and sartayne tymber to make Ladders
a Saltyng Traye and Sartayn other Tumber of dyvers soorts
fyve pyckefforcks

In the Workehowsse or SHoppe

2 longe Sawes Sartayn Wymbells and other Tooles belongyng to the Seyence
in sartayne Naves. ffellawes & other tymber

In the Stable

2 Saddells 2 Brydells 2 Collers. @ Dudffyns the Thyllers geare and 2 payer of traysse
2 Shellves 1 matthooke 2 Struppetts 2 Drafthhookes & 2 mode skoppetts

In the Pasture

one Graye geldynge
one Baye Coulte
one Blacke Mare
2 Wenlyng Callves
8 mylche Keyne and 3 heiffers
in Haye upon 2 shoddes
in Haye Satkes at Stradbrrok in y Lanne

In the Yeardes

in Naves ffellowes Spookes and other Tymber Redy Sawen
in Oken Boordes and poople Bordes to the Valew of
in Planks, Rayle, Beddsydes, bedds Whartes and Tymber for gates & other thynges
in Rowghe Tymber and Same Redy hewen to the valew of
sartayn plankes to goe upon and plankes and bordes at the Hogges Trowghs and the Hogges Troughes
sartayne ffyrewood Stendyng upp and other old
Bllokes for ffirewoode
10 Shooddes Covryd with Chyppes & 2 Shoddes
one Carte at the Wedow Hellwys & Carte Roops
One Grystone as y hangeth
Redy money & One littleCarte 39 shillings 4 pence
Dothe owynge to Testate (blank)
Obligacions to the ffull Sume of (blank)
Sum total is 200 pounds.
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William Wade and Margery Crispe




Husband William WADE

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: Abt 1548 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England




Wife Margery CRISPE

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: William CRISPE (      -      )
         Mother: Anne GODBOLD (Abt 1493-1554)





Children

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William Crispe and Anne Godbold




Husband William CRISPE

           Born:  - Laxfield, Suffolk, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: 




Wife Anne GODBOLD

           Born: Abt 1493 - Dennington, Suffolk, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 1554 - Laxfield, Suffolk, England
         Buried: 


         Father: Thomas GODBOLD (Abt 1450-      )
         Mother: 





Children
1 F Joan CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1527
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Nicholas FISKE (Abt 1517-1569)
           Marr: Abt 1548 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England



2 F Anne CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1521
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: John NOYSE (      -      )
           Marr: Bef 1552 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England



3 F Margery CRISPE

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: William WADE (      -      )
           Marr: Abt 1548 - Laxfield area, Suffolk, England



4 F Margaret CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1523
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: John FISKE (Abt 1514-      )
           Marr: Bef 1552



5 F Daughter CRISPE

           Born: Abt 1519
     Christened: 
           Died: Bef 1552
         Buried: 
         Spouse: MAYHEW (      -      )




General Notes (Husband)

William Crispe was born aout 1491, probably at Laxfield. He died between 20 Nov 1552, when he wrote his will, an d19 January 1552/3, when it was proved. William married Anne Godbold, who died between 23 Jan and 17 Mar 1553/4, the dates her will was written adn probated.

William purchased a meadow in Laxfield called Plummes Brook from his brother John Crispe of teh Rookes. He was assessed 5 pounds in the subsidy of 1524. William's will indicates he was a turner by profession.

From the will of William Crispe, the elder, turner, dated 20 Nov 1552, proved 19 Jan 1552/3:

.. my body to be buryed in the parishe church yarde of Laxfield... Item I wyll that Anne my wyef have and enjoye to her and to her heyres and the asygnes forever all my lands and tenements medowes fedyngs adn pasturs with all and singuler their appurtenances both fre adn opy set lying and beying in Laxfelde aforsayde & paying and doiynge to the chefe lorde of whom the same lands and tenemtnts and other the premisses bothe fre and copy be holden their accustomed rents and services/ Item I wyll that my sayde wyef shall ahve full power to give or to sell all that my close in Laxfelde aforsayde called grenelowes holden by copy of court rolle of teh manor of Laxfelde aforsayde... Item I bewyll and give unto my sayde wyef... all that my tenement in Laxfelde aforsayde called Gooches withe the orchards and gardyns both fre adn copye with all and synguler their appurtenances threto belongyng upon condycion that my sayde wyef her exectors or assygnes paye or cause to be payde unto my executours or assygnes x of good and lawfull englyshe money/ Item I wyll that my sayde wyef shall ahve and holde... all that my medowe in Laxfelde aforsayde with all and syngular their appertenances called Plummes brooke the which I dyd lately puchase of John Cryspe of Rookes uppon condiycion that she her executours or assygnes pay or cause to be payde unto my exectours v xiii iiijd of lawful englyshe money/ Item I wyll that Nicholas Fyske my osn in lawe have and holde... foreever all those my messuages lands adn tenemetns bothe fre and copye medowes fedyngs adn pastures with all and singuler their appertenances set lying and beyng within the towne and paryshe of Denyngton within the saide county of Suff upon condycion that he the said Nicholas Fyske hys executours or assygnes paye or cause to be apyde unto teh sayde Anne my wyef or to her assygnes yerely durying her naturall lyef iij of good and lawfull englyshe money every yere... and also upon condycion that the saide Nycholas pyae and do all rents suts and servyces hereafter to be due to the chefe lorde of teh fee of whom teh same messuage lands and tenements be holden and slo upon condycion that the sayde Nicholas hys executours or assygnes do paye or cause to be payde unto my executours or the executours of them xj xiij iiijd in and upon the fyrst daye of Maye next ensuying after the date herof commmonly called the feat of Pyllipp and Jacobbe adn also upon condycion that the sayde Nicholas Fyske hys heyres executours or assygnes do paye or cause to be payde unto my executors or teh executors of them after teh deceasse of the forsayde Anne my wyef fyve score marks of good and lawfull Englishe money in manner and forme folowyng that ys to saye in the feast of Saynte Michaell tharchanngell nexte and ymediyately after the deceasse of my sayde wyef v of lawfull englyshe money and so forthe yerely every yeare ymmediately folowyng after other in the feast of Saynte Michaell tharchanngell v untyl the sayde some of fyve score marks be unto my syde executours fully contented and payde... Item I geve adn bequethe unto Anne Noyse my daughter x/ Item I give to margerie Wade my daughter ten pounds/ Item I give to Margaret Fyske my daughter ten pounds/ Item I gyve to Johan Fyske my daughter ten pounsd/ Item I gyve to Jhoan Fyske my daughter fyve marks of lawfull englyshe money/ Item I geve adn bequethe to every of my daughters children xj viij / Item I geve more to Alyce mahew xx to John Mayhewxx Item I geve to John Godbalde vj xiij Item I geve Margaret Cryspe xj viij/ Item I wyll that Anne my sayde daughter the executors of assygnes shall receyve teh x to her geven and bwe4ylled in maner and forme folowyng that ys to saye at teh feast of Saynte Michael tharchanngell nexte after teh decease of my sayde wyef v/ Item I wyll that my daughter Margery her executourus...

the will goes on like this for apges and pages. Only other thing of significance is the mention of his son in law John Noyse of the asme town. He gives those my mesuages teh whiche I hold of the manor of the Rectorye in Laxfelde aforesayde by copye corte rowle to John Noyse. The said John Noyse shall have hold and enjoye to him his heyre and assigynes for ever all taht close called Grenelowes contaeyninge by estimacon two acres of land with the appurtenances the which I do hold by copye of corte rolle of the manor of Laxfelde in Laxfelde aforsayde...

From teh will of Anne Crisp, dated 23 Jan 1553/4, prvoed 17 Mar 1553/4

John Noyse my son in law my mesuages the whiche I holde of teh manor of the REctorye in Laxfelde aforeayde by copye corte rowle.. two acres of land wyth the appurtenances the which I do hold by copye of corte rolle of the amnor of Laxfelde in Laxfelde aforsayde.

Wills a fetherbedd in teh chamber the coverlyght upon the same, a worsted kyrtle, two pewter platters and a candlestycke and a pyer of shets, her mesuage or tent called Gooches set lyenge and beynge in Laxfield aforesyde with all the orchards gardyns and lands both free adn bonde thereto belongyinge, my beste fetherbed wyth the coverynge the blanket and bolster therto belonynge (whole chain of inheritance for that), my greste cawdron in the fornace, my other cawdron, my greatest brasse pane, my cupborde, my fetherbed and the bolster that is used in the soller, two peweter dyshes upon the couborde, two pewter dyshes in the buttrey, a brasse pan, a matress a payer of sheets and a coverynge, my beste mantle, my other mantle, my beste gowne, my beste frocke, my gowne unmade, my puroled gowne, my other fryse frocke adn a smocke.

Possible origin of William Crispe

Two William Crispes were assessed in teh 1524 subsidy of Laxfield. One was a wheelwright; the other's occupation is not indicated. It is presuemd that William Crispe, the turner, was William whose occupation was not stated. A study of Crispe wills in teh Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk and the Consistory Court of Norwich as well as areview of Laxfield adn Dennington deeds in the Davy Collection at the Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich, has failed to conclusively prove teh descent of William Crispe of Laxfield.

Robert's will, dated 28 Jul 1529, proved the following 16 August, gievs 20 s to his son William. It is clear taht Robert was a tanner. He adn John Crysp are listed together as "barkers" (tanners) on teh 1524 subsidy roll of Laxfield. Moroever, robert willed his barkfattys (tanning vats) to his son Henry. The question is, which of the two William Cripses of Laxfield is the son of Robert Crispe, the tanner? Chronologically, william Cripse could fit into Robert's family.

It was hoped that a search of Laxfield adn Dennington deeds in teh Davy Collection and other pertinent series at the Sfufolk Record Office, Ipswich, would establish identity of William Crispe. It is known from William's will taht he woned tenemetns in Laxfield called Grenelowes and Gooches and a meadow in Laxfield called Plummes Brook, which he purchased from John Crispe of Rookes. He also owned land in Dennington. william received none of thse lands from teh will of Robert Crispe, teh testator of 1529. Nor were deeds found for any of the proerties. However, on 14 November 1513 William Crispe, tanner, simon Fisk, and John Dowsing purchased from John Smith and Arnold Manfield all those lands in Laxfield called "Thrope Pightle" lying between the lands of John Crispe "de la Rok," Anthony wingefield, adn William Rous. It was also learned from earlier Laxfield deeds taht Robert Crisp "de la Rok" was of record in 1469 and 1479.

Tehre is reason to suspect that William Crispe, teh Laxfield turner, is identical to William Crispe, teh Laxfield tanner. The former purchased Plummes Brook meadow from John Cispe of Rookes, while the latter purchased land bordering John Crispe de la Rok. Moreover, it appears taht Robert Crispe, teh testator of 1529, also lived at "teh Rook" for a time. It is not difficult to see how teh word tanner might be mistranscribed as "turner" in the registered copy of William's will. Unfortunatley, the first page of William's original wil is missign, so a comparison is not possible. If Wiliam Cripse was in fact a tanner, it adds weight to the theory that he is the son of Robert Crispe, the tanner. The absence of a third William Crispe in the 1524 subsidy of Laxfield also suggests that William the tanner the turner are identical as the other William Crispe was a wheelwright.


General Notes (Wife)

in her will proved 17 March 1553/4, of Laxfield, she naemd nephews John Godbold and John Fiske, as detailed above. See William Crispe, pp 291-99, above, for more information about her and her family.

I found this citation for the notion that her name was Godbold.
23907. Johan Godbold REF: NEHGR v151 p186. Quotes the primary sources.

23910. William Crispe
REF: NEHGS vol151:292 (1997) article on the ancestors of the Fishers of Dedham MS He was a turner in Laxfield, his will survives.

23911. Anne Godbold
REF: NEHGS vol151:292 and 300 (1997) articles on the ancestors of the Fishers of Dedham MS Her will survives at the Archdeaconry Ct of Suffolk and the Consistory Ct of Norwich. - will dated 23 Jan 1553, probated 17 Mar 1553.


General Notes for Child Joan CRISPE

NEHGR 1997. William Crispe of Laxfield, Suffolk. Clifford L. Stott.

The Fiske family of Laxfield, Suffolk, was explored in near exhaustive detail during the 1930s by the late G. Anderws Moriarty. ...

Nicholas Fiske of Dennington wrote his will on 20 Agu 1569. He died before 28 Sept of teh same year, when the will was proved. In this document Nicholas refers to his sons Wililam and Amos, his daughters Rachel, Esther, Mary, and Martha, his wife Johan, and his father-in-law William Crispe of Laxfield. It was Moriarty's belief that Johan was probably the second wife of Nicholas Fiske, based apparently on this passge in Nicholas's will which identifies Johan as the mother of his son William:

I geve and bequethe unto the sayde Wiliam my sonne and to his heyres for ever all my sayde mesuages landes and tenementes both free and bonde... after the death of teh sayde Johane my seife his mother.

Moriarty suggested that Johan's son William was the youngest child, while the other children were probably from an unknown first wife. However, asddtional research shows that Johan is very likely the mother of all of Nicholas Fiske's children, and lamost certainly the mother of Mary, whose sons Anthony and Joshua Fisher emigrated to New England.

(Fortunately I ignored the imagined first wife because no solid evidence of her existence or which children she might have parented.)

Teh will of William Crispe of Laxfield, dated 20 Nov 1552, shows that his daugther Johan was alerady teh wife of Nicholas Fsike by that date. A point apparently overlooked by Moriarty was that the four daughters of Nicholas Fiske were minors in 1569, when their father charged his wife Johan with raising and education ghtem. It is clear that the four girls wree born no earlier tahhn 1551. Furthermore no provision was made for raising William, the one stated child of Johan, or his brother Amos. The sons must have been older than the daughters, so Johan must have also been the mother of the daughters.

The will of Nicholas Fiske also specifies in which years the daughters were to receive their legacies, from which the birth order, if not the birth years, of the daughters can be calculated. Teh birth order of trhe daughtrers is: Rachel, Esther, Mary, and Martha. As the next-to-youngest daughtrer, it is unlikely that Mary could have been born before 1555. She married Anthony Fisher in 1586 and had children as late as 1599.

A study of Crispe wills in the Archdeaconry Court of Suffolk and the consistory Court of Norwich as well as a review of Laxfield adn Dennington deeds in the Davy Collection at the Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich, has failed to conclusively prove that the descent of William Crispe. A son William is identified in the will of Robert Crispe of Laxfield, tanner, butthe Crispe anme is considered too common in Laxfield adn vicinity to draw any firm concusions from the will alone. william owned sevral properties in Laxfield adn Dennington, but no deeds were found to show how he acquired these lands.
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Walter Crocker Jr and Josephine Ann McKinstry




Husband Walter CROCKER Jr

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: 1966




Wife Josephine Ann McKINSTRY

           Born: 1931 - Sturbridge, Massachusetts
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 


         Father: Harrison Bond McKINSTRY (1884-1968)
         Mother: Davida (Vida) Bennett MAXWELL (1889-1974)





Children

General Notes (Wife)

She is missing from teh 1930 census, but in my records, and in an obit of one of her brothers as Jo Ann.
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Nicholas PAYNE and Agnes CROFTEN




Husband Nicholas PAYNE

           Born: 1535 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 24 Jan 1617 - Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 24 Jan 1617 - Frittenden, Kent, England


         Father: John PAYNE (1510-Bef 1549)
         Mother: Jane COUCHMAN (1514-      )


       Marriage: 

   Other Spouse: Joyce (      -      )

   Other Spouse: Mary BEZBEECK (      -      )




Wife Agnes CROFTEN

           Born: 1540 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 24 Aug 1591 - Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 24 Aug 1591 - Frittenden, Kent, England



Children
1 F Katherine PAYNE

           Born: 1565 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 1 Jul 1565 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: Bef 1617 - Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 



2 M John PAYNE

           Born: 
     Christened: 15 May 1569 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: Bef 1617 - Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 



3 F Grace PAYNE

           Born: 9 Jan 1571-9 Jan 1572 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 9 Jan 1571 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 10 Jan 1571 - St. Mary's, Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 10 Jan 1571 - Frittenden, Kent, England



4 F Jane PAYNE

           Born: 9 Jan 1571-9 Jan 1572 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 9 Jan 1571 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 10 Jan 1571 - St. Mary's, Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 12 Jan 1571 - Frittenden, Kent, England



5 M Thomas PAYNE

           Born: 12 Jun 1573 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 11 Jun 1573 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 15 Mar 1575 - St. Mary's, Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 15 Mar 1575-15 Mar 1576 - St Marys, Frittenden, Kent, England



6 F Jane PAYNE

           Born: 26 Sep 1574 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 26 Sep 1574 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Thomas YOUNGE (      -      )
           Marr: 9 Sep 1595 - Frittenden, Kent, England



7 M William PAYNE

           Born: 22 Jun 1578 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 22 Jun 1578 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 22 Aug 1606 - St. Mary's, Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 22 Aug 1606 - St Marys, Frittenden, Kent, England



8 F Elizabeth PAYNE

           Born: 22 Jun 1578 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 22 Jun 1578 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 20 Jul 1578 - St. Mary's, Frittenden, Kent, England
         Buried: 20 Jul 1578 - Frittenden, Kent, England



9 M Moses PAINE

           Born: 23 Apr 1581 - , Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 23 Apr 1581 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 21 Apr 1643 - Braintree, Norfolk, Mass.
         Buried: 21 Jun 1643 - Braintree, Norfolk, Massachusetts
         Spouse: Elizabeth SHEAFE (1589-1632)
           Marr: 1618 - Tenterden, Kent, England
         Spouse: Mary BENISON (      -      )
           Marr: 2 Nov 1617 - Frittenden, Kent, England
         Spouse: Judith PARES (      -      )



10 F Tabitha PAYNE

           Born: 23 Apr 1581 - Frittenden, Kent, England
     Christened: 23 Apr 1581 - Frittenden, Kent, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Nathan HUBERT (      -      )
           Marr: , England




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Jude Taylor and Betty Crook




Husband Jude TAYLOR

           Born: Abt 1776 - England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
       Marriage: 1 Jan 1801 - Bury, Lancashire, England

   Other Spouse: Betty ROBINSON (      -      ) - 12 Jun 1813 - Middleton by Oldham (Bury), Lancashire, England




Wife Betty CROOK

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



Children
1 M John TAYLOR

           Born: 27 May 1801
     Christened: 28 Jun 1801 - Edenfield, Lancashire, England
           Died: Bef 1805
         Buried: 



2 F Alice TAYLOR

           Born: 23 Nov 1802
     Christened: 12 Dec 1802 - Edenfield, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 



3 F Anne TAYLOR

           Born: 21 Jan 1804
     Christened: 26 Feb 1804 - Bury, Lancashire, England
           Died: Bef 1810
         Buried: 



4 M John TAYLOR

           Born: 4 Sep 1805
     Christened: 22 Sep 1805 - Edenfield, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 



5 M James TAYLOR

           Born: 29 May 1807
     Christened: 15 Jul 1807 - Redvales, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 



6 F Mary TAYLOR

           Born: 16 Jul 1808 - Redvales, Lancashire, England
     Christened: 1 Mar 1809 - Bury, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 



7 F Ann TAYLOR

           Born: 15 May 1810
     Christened: 8 Jul 1810 - St. Mary, Bury, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 



8 M Robert TAYLOR

           Born: 15 May 1810
     Christened: 8 Jul 1810 - St. Mary, Bury, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 



9 F Ellen TAYLOR

           Born: 9 Nov 1812
     Christened: chr 19 Jan 1813 - Union St Wesleyan Methodist, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
           Died: 
         Buried: 




General Notes (Husband)

These parents come from IGI< and look right. There is a remarkable similarity between the other wife - Bettty Crook - and themotehr in Russ McKinstry's records - Betsy Cook. Can Robert and Hugh Taylor have been teh same person?

Supporting the idea that her father was Jude, is that Jude Taylor is found in Southbridge in the 1840 census. Three Robert Taylor's were in Massachusetts; none of them anywhere near Southbridge. Closest one was an elderly man with one adult male with him in Middlesex County.

I could not make sense of the IGI records of who his wife was. This is why I have Betty Robinson as Hannah's mother and Besty Crook as the other spouse.

Neither of them are found in the 1850 census. There is a Jude Taylor, single, 76, living in Rhode Island, and Jude Taylor b about 1821, married, living in the same town. He is close enough in age to Jude Taylor the brother of Hannah.

Children for Jude Taylor and assorted spouses are from IGI.




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