Ancestors of Kathleen Lowe George Raymond (Raiment) and Mary

Ancestors of Kathleen Lowe George Raymond (Raiment) and Mary



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George Raymond (Raiment) and Mary




Husband George Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: Abt 1599/ ca 1580 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 26 June 1651 age 70 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
         Buried: 


         Father: Robert RAymond (Raiment) (Abt 1550-1605)
         Mother: Agnes (      -      )


       Marriage: 




Wife Mary

           Born: Abt 1584
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



Children
1 M John Raymond

           Born: 30 Mar 1616 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 18 Jan 1702-18 Jan 1703 - Beverly, Essex, Massachusetts
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Rachel Scruggs (1627-Bef 1670)
           Marr: Bef 1652-1654 - Salem, Essex, Massachusetts



2 M Capt. William Raymond

           Born: 11 May 1637 - St.John's, Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 29 Jan 1709 - Beverly, Massachusetts
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Hannah Bishop (1646-1738)
           Marr: 1660-1666 - Beverly, Essex, Massachusetts. (Divorced)
         Spouse: Ruth Hull (      -After 1738)
           Marr: Bef 1682 - Salem, Massachusetts



3 M Richard RAymond (Raiment)

           Born: 
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



4 M George Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 19 Jun 1618 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



5 F Jane RAymond (Raiment)

           Born: 1 Jan 1619-1 Jan 1620 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



6 F Elizabeth Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 10 Apr 1623 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



7 F Dorothy Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 11 May 1624 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 
         Spouse: Robyns (      -      )



8 F Mary Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 4 Sep 1629 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



9 F Joanna Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 18 Oct 1631 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



10 M Maurice Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 1 Nov 1633 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 



11 F Martha Raymond (Raiment)

           Born: 28 Feb 1633-28 Feb 1634 - Glastonbury, Somerset, England
     Christened: 
           Died: 
         Buried: 




General Notes (Husband)

770 years of age at date of death.

Goerge Rayment of Glastonbury was defintely teh
son of Robert Rayment of Charleton Mackrell.
(Anan Raymond, MSS (October 1965), Appendix C,
filed at New England Historical and Genealogical
Library, Boston)
Robert of Chrlton Mackrell was son of William
Rayment of Hawkchurch. The Parish Records at
Charlton Mackrell show baptism of George, the son
of Robert (Anan Raymond, MSS (October 1965),
Appendix C, filed at New England Historical and
Genealogical Library, Boston)

Note that the will below proves that Robert of Charlton Mackrell had a son named George but not that he was George the father of John, William and Elizabeth. Also, since George of Glastonbury died a full 52 years after Robert of Charlton Mackrell, he could have been a grandson.

I don't appear to have any proof that Robert Raiment of Charlton Mackrell was the son of William Rayment of Hawkchurch. I doubt whether such evidence exists. If Robert left a will that named George, I don't find any evidence of that online. It may be reconstructive mythology. Supporting that notion is the fact that in most repetitions of this notion he is also supposed to be a certain Robert Raiment who married in London - highly unlikely.

Dates of his children's births are christening dates in Charlton Mackrell and Glastonbury parishes.

Robert Rayment, yeoman, of Charleton Mackerell,
co Somerset, England, made his will June 3, 1605,
and it was proved on June 22 of the same year. He
made his son George residuary legatee and
executor, and left small legacies in money and
cattle to his wife Agnes, sons Robert, John and
Francis, and daughters "Audred", Joan Rayment and
Maud Ryall. The overseers were John Parker and
HEnry Suier of Kingston, and the witnesses Adams
Farnham and Robert Raise.

Children, order of birth unknown.

George
Robert m Agnes Hillary Nov 3 1597, at Charlton
Mackerell
John
Francis
Maud m Philip Reyall Oct 21 1585 at Charlton
Mackerell
Alice m James Evererd Nov 26 1590 at Charlton
Mackerell would seem to be "My daughter Audred"
named in Robert Rayment's will
Joan

George Rayment, living in the town of
Glastonbury, co Somerset, seven miles from the
village ofCharlton Mackerell, was possibly the
son of Robert Rayment mentioned in the latter's
will but no proof has been discovered.

George Rayment of the parish of St Johns
Glastonbury made his will June 26 1651, and it
was proved Oct 30 1651. HE left legacies to his
daughter Dorothy Robyns, her husband and child of
the parish of Streete, to his daughter in law the
wife of his son Maurice, and her child, to John
and Lucy Seemer, children of Wiliam Seemer and
his children John William and Elizabeth Rayment,
all three of whom are stated to be in New
England. The residuary legatee and exectutor was
his son Maurice Rayment and William SEemer and
William Billocks were named overseers.

>From the dates of baptism of his children, it
appears that Rayment was married atleast
twice.Dorothy and George, both baptized before
1618, were prob children of his wife Joan, who
was buried at St John's on April 3 of that year.
Maurice and William were by a later wife, while
Elizabeth, of whose age there is no indication,
and John cannot be placed.

Children:

Dorothy bapt Oct 8 1611 Compton Dundon, a parish
about three mi from Glastonbury, in the direction
of Charlton Mackerell, m Robyns, of Streete, both
living in 1651.
George bapt March 16, 1616, at St Johns
Galstonbury, d bef 1651.
John, b 161601622, stated to be 38 iin 1660, and
about 87 at his death in 1703.
Elizabeth in New England in 1651, prob the wife
of some BEverly or Salem settler, in 1670 John
Rayment the son of John had a cousin named Mary
Cook.
Maurice bapt (Morris) Pr 24 1621 at St John's,
Glastonbury
William b abt 1637 (I gather his christening
record has not been found.)

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Dale West's web site, once a good resource on Raymond origins, does not still exist, and he may have died in 2002.


Will of George Rayment, of the parish of St. John's in Glaston in the Co of Somerset, 26 Jun 1651, proved 30 Oct 1651. My body to be buried in the churyard of St. Johns &c. To my daughter Dorothy Robins and her child forty shillings, and all the goods that I have in the house that I lived in, in the churchyard, I give to said daughter Dorothy Robins, and my best breches and jacket and my best shoes to my daughter Dorothy's husband of Streete. To the wife of my son Maurice Rayment and her child forty shillings.

Item, I give and bequeath to William Rayment my son that is in New England six pounds, to be paid if ever he doeth come to Glaston to demand it. Item, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Rayment my daighter that is in New England twenty shillings, to be apid if ever she doth come to Glaston to demand it. To John Seemer, teh son of William Seemer, twenty shillings. To John Seemer (alot of bequests to the SEemer family). All the rest of my goods &c. I give to Maurice Rayment my son, whom I make my whole and sole executor. FOr overseers I do appoint William Seemer and William Billocks (Then follows the date). Item, I give to John Rayment my son that is in New England one shilling. The witnesses were Wiolliam Seemer, William Zealee (my mark) and George Rosier.

Someplace I have the information that Maurice Rayment was a man of substantial means and property (in a yeoman sort of way). John Raymond was clearly a man of some means. He built a very large and very nice house in Beverly.

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Another theory of George Raiment's origins comes from the mention of a George Raiment in the will of Arthur Raiment of Ilchester, who left money for the education of son George. This means that he had a son named George and not that this George was necessarily George the father of William, John and Elizabeth. This is supposed to maybe explain the relationship between George Raiment and Glastonbury Abbey where he had quarters when he died; maybe he was a schoolteacher. But that is not explained at all, and Glastonbury Abbey had a large set of quarters for elderly people who lacked means. George Raiment once had substantial means but appeared to have settled them on his two elder sons, Maurice and John, long before he died. There could possibly have been another reason to have given him senior citizen housing at Glastonbury Abbey. If he was a schoolmaster, why would he have signed his will with his mark? Though that is a mystery anyhow, since all of his sons could read and write well.

ARthur Raiment of Ilchester was of the gentry, had a brother named William, and a coat of arms suggesting that he or ancestors may ahve been English knights, and may possibly have served under William the Conqueror, though that is far less certain. The possibility is attractive to family members trying to tie the Raymond family to the notion about being descended from a Norman aristocrat.

English Ancestors of John and William Raymond [1918]

ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF JOHN AND WILLIAM RAYMOND OF BEVERLY, MASS[The author asserts that John and William's grandfather was Arthur Raymond of Ilchester. Later research by John Marshall Raymond sheds a great deal of doubt on the correctness of this conclusion.]

On page 196 of the Record Book entitled "Grey" in Somerset House, London, England, may be found the will of George Raymond of Glaston, probated in 1652. In it he mentions his sons John and William and his daughter Elizabeth as being "in New England." In a court record of Salem, Massachusetts, December 18, 1697, William is made to say that he came to New England about 1652. In another, Book 17, page 24, William and John are shown to be brothers, and according to the church registry of their ages at their deaths, John is shown to have been about twenty years older than William, and to have been born between 1616 and 1618. Enough is left of the records of St. John's Church, Glastonbury, to inform us of the baptism of George Raymond's son George in 1616 and his death in 1617, also of the burial, in 1618, of the wife of George Raymond, probably after the birth of John, the same who died in Beverly, Massachusetts, January 18, 1703, aged about eighty-seven. George Raymond of Glaston married a second time. We find in the registry that Maurice, son of George Raymond, was baptized April 24, 1621. Apparently, too, John Raymond had a first wife in England. In the registry of St. Benedict's Church, Glastonbury, we find that Margaret Raymond, wife of John Raymond, was buried May 28, 1639. Existing English "Chancery Proceedings, B and A, Charles I. R., 23, No. 45, Feb. 6, 1645," show that John Raymond, Gent., when he decided to go "across the seas," left in trust with two uncles a house that he owned. [The Chancery Proceeding is that of John Raymond, having returned from overseas, suing to obtain his property back from a man who obtained it under false pretense.] This house was only five or six miles from Glastonbury. It explains why, because John had property of his own, the will of George of Glaston left him only "one shilling." Others of George's children shared better, but the most of his property went to his son Maurice. This was probably the family name [p. 344] of George's second wife. The name, sometimes in the same document spelled Morris, is French, and may have belonged to one of the large number of Huguenot refugees known to have settled in Glastonbury. All records there are missing between about 1621 and 1653. The name Maurice may explain why the branch of the Raymond family descended from William, of Beverly, holds a tradition of Huguenot descent.

George Raymond, or Rayment-both spellings are used in the same documents-after promising his signature to his will, signs it with only his mark. The will is phrased exactly as if, because he was paralyzed, or, at least, too feeble to write, he had it copied from the will of Arthur Raymond, of Ilchester, dated in 1623; and this Arthur, for several reasons, seems to have been the father of George. [Doubtful.] Ilchester is situated only twelve miles from Glastonbury. Arthur's will leaves a house and other property to his wife and to each of two other sons; but no house, yet the largest share of the property, to "George, my eldest son." George's will, made thirty years later, shows why he did not need a house. He refers to his possessions in the house that he occupies "in the churchyard of St. John's Glaston." The father of Arthur, George, of Ilchester, had left money for "George, the son of Arthur, to help to breed him to school." In the churchyard of St. John's there can still be seen the ruins of a great schoolhouse that was once there. Very likely George Raymond was connected with it as a teacher. Perhaps it was because his son William had learned something from his father with reference to the subject that, some years later, the Beverly (Massachusetts) Records tell of his being appointed to assist the selectmen in securing a teacher for their town. Moreover, the uncles-really grand uncles, though this term was not used in those days-to whom John's house was left in trust when he went "across the seas" were Arthur's brothers mentioned in the will of George of Ilchester. Both this will and that of Arthur are printed in the volume entitled "Somerset Wills."

George Lansing Raymond, "English Ancestors of John and William Raymond of Beverly, Mass.," Americana Illustrated, Vol. 12, No. 1, pp. 343-6, January 1918.

My note: without having seen both of them, it seems like any similarities between George Rayment's will and that of Arthur Raymond of Ilchester are more likely commonalities of form than due to deliberate copying, especially as thewill of George Raiment is too short and too full of details about his family and what in particular he wants done with his estate to have been copied.



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