Van Bibber Pioneers Electronic Newsletter
Volume 2, Number 12   ·   October 1998

Greetings:

This is the second anniversary issue of the Van Bibber Pioneers. Beginning with ten researchers who were on the Internet we have grown to two hundred and twenty-seven subscribers. We have found one more generation of Van Bibbers and linked our lines to the op den Graeff family. With your assistance we have grown and continue to grow and find more information on our ancestors and distant relatives. I wish all of you a happy anniversary and a happy Halloween.

Darrell Smith and I have moved the Van Bibber web pages to a new home. You may still use the old URL for a short period of time, but I hope you will continue to visit and use the Van Bibber Pioneers web page at its new home (http://pages.zoomnet.net/~blogan). This move was made necessary because of changes in the management of the Internet Provider we previously used.

We now have two hundred and twenty-seven subscribers.

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CONTENTS

New Members, Address Changes

An Anniversary

Reconstructing The Op Den Graff Windows Of 1630 A.D: Part Two (2)

James Van Bibber of Ray County Missouri

The Van Bibbers of Ray County Missouri

Descendants Of Peter Vanbibber III and Catherine Ridenour

Queries

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NEW MEMBERS

Pam Beattie ([email protected])

Cathe Campbell ([email protected])

Clive and Evelyn Meairs ([email protected])

Liese Uptegrove-Ade� ([email protected])

Pat ([email protected])

CHANGE OF ADDRESS

Charles Ross ([email protected])

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AN ANNIVERSARY

By Bruce Logan ([email protected])

(From the Portsmouth Daily Times, Sunday, October 18, 1998)

Identification:

Unknown Van Bibber

James Van Bibber and Sarah Bradburn

Charles Wesley Van Bibber and Lowder

Morton Apendix Van Bibber and Avis English

Hazel N. Van Bibber and J. Neville Trimble

TRIMBLES: Sixty Years

Mr. and Mrs. J. Neville Trimble (Hazel N. Van Bibber) of South Portsmouth, KY will celebrate their 60^th wedding anniversary Wednesday Oct. 21. They were married on that day in 1938 by the Rev. Robert Mennach at the Home of the bride�s parents in South Portsmouth, with Orville Howerton as the best man and Mrs. Orville (Bertine) Howerton as the matron of honor.

Mr. Trimble is a son of the late James and Verdie Trimble. Before retiring he was employed 47 hears by Mitchellace, Inc.

Mrs. Trimble, a homemaker, also worked for area businesses and in social or church activites. She is a daughter of the late Rev. Morton A. and Avis Van Bibber.

An open house reception is planned by their four children and their families. They are Neville L. (Suzanne) Trimble of Waverly, Lowell (Wanda) Trimble of Port Washington, Mona (Mrs. Dan) Roberson of Lucasville, and Alice (Mrs. Dennis) Wick of Bellbrook, Ohio. They have 10 grandchildren and four great-grandchildren.

The celebration is to take place from 1 to 4 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 24, in the fellowship hall of the South Portsmouth United Methodist Church, where the Trimbles attend regularly.

The omission of Gifts is being requested.

Bruce Logan

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RECONSTRUCTING THE OP DEN GRAFF WINDOWS OF 1630 AD

(Continued from Vol. 2 No. 11)

By Glenn Wayne Miller (No e-mail address)

With permission of Glenn Wayne Miller

This article and the beginning of the article appeared in "Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants" Volume 8, No. 1, published by Iris Carter Jones ([email protected])

LOHENGRIN Genealogy of the House of Cleves

A Thesis for the Reading Public to Help Validate or Repudiate by Glenn Wayne Miller

5) In the phrase Hermann Op Den Graeff (Lord-Man Of The Count), are we dealing with the baptized name of a personage, or with a morganatic title of paternity (a patronymic), or with a public title of state (an office or rank) under the feudal system? We are probably dealing with all three situations in the documents united in one person. This one and the same Hermann (Lord-Man) is Hermann Van Der Graff, Hermen Op Den Graeff, Hermann Zu Graff and perhaps Segneur De La Comte. With this strange combination of facts, Mennonites and Monasteries and Reformed Consistories, Noble-Born Franciscan Nuns living with Mennonite linen weavers in the Calvinist City of Krefeld under the jurisdiction of the House of Orange and the Electorate of Bonn, we are now ready to examine the two extant windows of 1630 A.D., with the first window displaying the statement: Hermen Op Den Graff Und Greitgen Sein Hosfrow Ao 1630 (Lord-Man Of The Count and Margaret His Housewife Anno 1630).(4)

6) This thesis, concerning the two Op Den Graff stained glass windows of 1630 in their extant forms, is an attempt to answer two questions which we believe are interrelated:

A. Why does a seemingly Roman Catholic picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary appear on the first window of a Mennonite family of linen weavers in the town of Krefeld, Germany under the jurisdiction of the House of Orange?

B. Why does a seal of a multiple Dukedom with a figure wearing a crown of nobility appear on the second window?

7) A 1988 query(5), published by Links Genealogy Publications, attempted to answer why the Lohengrin Coat-Of-Arms of the House of Cleves appeared on one of the extant Op Den Graff windows of 1630 as reported in 1935 by Dr. Rissler(6). The query postulated that the name Hermen Op Den Graff meant Lord-Man Of The Count. Hermen was translated as Lord-Man. Op Den Graff was translated as Of-The-Count.

8) The 1935 letter of Richard Wolferts to Dr. Rissler(7) stated that he saw the Coat-Of-Arms pane with a white swan ascending a blue field. The white swan was the ancient Lohengrin Coat-Of-Arms inherited by the Count (Graf/Graaf/Graeff) and Duke (Herzog) of Cleves (Kleve) from the ancient House of Altena (Alten/Elten). The Swan appeared on the Schwanenburg Castle of the House of Cleves.

9) The Scheuten(8) family manuscript which begins in 1550 lists at least 199 genealogies and is supposed to show relatives of the House of Op Den Graff as bearing the name Von Alten (Von Altena, Von Elten).

10) Members of the Scheuten family estate included Merken Auf Scheuten(9) who married Lens Conradts (Laurentius Cones) in 1609 in the Catholic Parish of Gladbach and whose descendants migrated to Germantown, Pennsylvania as Kunders/Conrad/Conard/Cunnards, etc.

11) Different types of the Lohengrin Swan Seals appear on each of the two extant windows in the lower right hand circles. The English translation of a German Language original article(10) by Guido Rotthoff (1981) identifies the two different Lohengrin Swan Seals as the "First Coat-Of-Arms" and the Seal of the Multiple Dukedom of Triple Shields as the "Second Coat-Of-Arms". We must pay close attention as to which of the two extant windows are being described in the following quotes:

"Problematical is the determination of the Coat-Of-Arms: one would expect the Coat-Of-Arms of both the Op Den Graeff couple. It may be wondered if the description from 1935 described only the Swan Coat-Of-Arms which was either on a Bugelhelm (grilled, or nobility helm), or on the Stechhelm (ungrilled, or common helm). The difference of the two helmets already show that these Coats-Of-Arms still had taken no fixed form. Possibly, only the Swan Coat-Of-Arms was described since perhaps the second Coat-Of-Arms was already missing in 1935."

The English language translator C.R. Haller of the Guido Rotthoff article (1981) now describes what we identify as the second window:

"With the occurrence only once of the second Coat-Of-Arms, it is not distinctly recognizable with which common figure of the iron frame, the triple shields represent. On the crest of the "Bugelhelm", an old crown of nobility makes up part of it. It appears doubtful, therefore, that the Coat-Of-Arms shows in these settings, the appearance of the couple's family Coat-Of-Arms. This may be true if we delete the helmet and crest of both Coats-Of-Arms as accessories of the glass maker. The evident manipulation of the stained glass panes also give no guarantee to the observer, therefore, that the heraldic rights of the couples are shown by the left Coat-Of-Arms."

12) This thesis will now explain alternatives to Guido Rotthoff's theory (1981) and assume that what sections we can now see in the 1990 extant windows are more or less the original 1630 insets. On the two extant windows we are dealing with at least 27 insets: three rectangles with three different ratios, four bottom circles of apparent equal size, and 20 frame circles with variations in smaller size. Please take with a grain of salt our compass designations (first window, second window, right side, left side) because of the diversity of available photographs and because of the back/front or inside/outside orientation in the diversity of descriptions left to us by earlier researchers.

13) On the first extant window, the Lohengrin Swan Seal appears in Sinister Form (facing left) under the section described as the Op Den Graff Family Motto, including the statement: Hermen Op Den Graff und Geitgen Sein Hosfrow Ao 1630. The Helmet Swan Sinister stands up on silver crown (noble coronet) of the Graff (Count). The Silver Graff Coronet is placed upon the Bugelheim Visor Sinister displaying Five Bars Sinister as if to represent a common or morganatic dignity, such as the patronymic or surname Op Den Graff.

14) On the second extant window, the Lohengrin Swan Seal appears in Dexter Form (facing right) as if to represent the Committal Dignity, the dignity of the Graff (Count) De La Marck. who was also the Graff (Count) of Altena, a reputed descendant of Garin of Lorraine, known as Garin of Lotharingia, or Lohengrin. In the Lowhengrin Swan Seal Dexter, the Helmet Swan Dexter wears the Golden or Royal Crown of Jerusalem above the Stecheim Dexter. The White Shield Swan Dexter ascends a Golden Field, as if to represent Committal Descent from Royalty or Marriage Into Royalty. In 1546 the Graff De La Marck married the Catholic Princess of Habsburg.

15) The positioning of the Lohengrin Coat-Of-Arms (White Swan) shows Hermen Op Den Graff (1585 - 1642) as the Morganatic Issue or Natural Son of the Count of Alten (Altena) who also bore the following titles:

In German: Graeff Von Den Marck, or Graf Von Marck

In Dutch: Graaf Van Den Maark, and Graaf Van Geldern (Gelre)

In French: Comte De La Marck, and Comte De Gelre (Guelderland)

In English: Count of Mark, or Earl of Mark, Count of Guelders

16) The Comte De La Marck (Count of Mark) in 1585, the year of Hermen's birth, was that Johan Wilhelm, Graeff Von Alten, or John William, Count of Altena (1562 - 1609) who in 1592 became the Last Duke (Herzog) of Cleves (Kleve) of the House of La Marck. Had Hermen been born after 1592 when his father was elevated from Graff (Count) of La Marck to Herzog (Duke) of Cleves, his patronymic or morganatic surname would not have been Op Den Graff (Of The Count), but rather Op Den Herzog (Of The Duke). The name of the morganatic or natural mother was listed as Anna Van Aldekerk (Anne De Aldekerk)(11). The village of Aldekerk was under the jurisdiction of the County of Geldern or the County of Altena, depending on how the order of the Feudal System is interpreted. Both the French and German language maps are difficult to correlate.

17) At the death of John William of Cleves (1609), the Multiple Dukedom of Cleves-Julich-Berg was divided and invaded by the Protestant and Catholic armies of the houses of Brandenburg, Zweibrucken and Wittelsbach, all were relatives of the House of Cleves.

18) The nine year family dispute (1609 - 1618) led to the exhausting religious dispute (1618 - 1648) of the international Thirty Years War. In 1630 the Mennonite Pacifist, Hermen Op Den Graff (1585 - 1642), who was automatically excluded from the feudal succession by his morganatic birth, would place on his widow words from his family motto, "Gott...und gutt von seden" translated by Dr. Kaus Weissenberger(12) as "God...is good to all sides." In Hermen's mind set the "all sides" included the Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists and Mennonites.

19) The Double Eagle seal of the Holy Roman Empire, or the Hawk of the Habsburg castle Coat-Of-Arms, would have been placed in the circle directly under the larger picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary, patron saint of Mary of Habsburg (1530 - 1584), the Imperial Duchess of Cleves, that is, the Princess Imperial, or the Princess of the Romans, in her own right, as daughter of the Holy Roman Emperor, Ferdinand I of Habsburg (1503 - 1564).

20) The imperial dignity of the Duchess of Cleves, Mary of Habsburg, took precedence over the ducal and committal dignities of her husband, William V of Cleves (1516 - 1592) and of her son, John William of Cleves (1562 - 1609), hence, the larger portion for the "Mary Picture" and its placement first on the stained glass panes.

21) In reconstructed form, the first extant window will bear the Imperial Dignity of Habsburg (Roman Catholic) followed by the Morganatic Dignity of Op Den Graff (Mennonite). The second extant window will bear the Ducal Dignity of Cleves (Protestant, both Lutheran and Calvinist) followed by the Committal Dignity of La Marck and Altena (Protestant and Catholic).

22) The seal of the Holy Roman Empire, the Double Eagle, appears in the upper left hand quarter of the Coat-Of-Arms of the Van De Graeff family of Dordrecht, Netherlands. Van De Graeff (Of The Count) was a form of Op Den Graff (Of The Count). Zu Graff (Belonging To The Count) was another form of Op Den Graff. In his marriage to Grietje Pletges of Kempen in 1605, Hermann Op Den Graff was registered as Hermen Zu Graff.

23) The brother of Anne of Cleves (1515 - 1557), who would be known as William V of Cleves (1516 - 1592) was called Graff (Count) of Geldern (Gelre, Guelderland) before he was created Herzog (Duke) of Geldern. The Graeff family seal of Geldern is the same as the Updegraff family seal found in the Library of Congress (illustrated in June Shaull Lutz's genealogy: HISTORY OF THE OP DEN GRAEFF/UPDEGRAFF FAMILY, 1988). It is the same as (or similar to) the family seal of the Van De Graeff family of Dordrecht, Netherlands, but without the Double Eagle Seal of the Holy Roman Empire in the upper left hand quarter(13).

24) The Graffin of Altena (paternal grandmother of Hermen Op Den Graff), Duchess of Cleves, Mary of Habsburg (1530 - 1584), Princess Imperial, was the Princess of the Romans. To honor her memory and to show the Catholic side of the family the Mennonite prayer for peace, Hermen chose the interrogative verse from the Epistle to the Romans - Chapter 8, Verse 35:

Wer wyl uns scheyden von der liebe Gottes...

Who shall separate us from the love of God...

25) The Graff of Altena (paternal grandfather of Hermen Op Den Graff), The Duke of Cleves, William V De La Marck (1516 - 1592), was the head of the Protestant League and Director of the Netherlands-Westphalian Circle (Kreis) of the Holy Roman Empire. The Duke's father-in-law, Ferdinand I of Habsburg (1503 - 1564), as Holy Roman Emperor, was head of the Catholic League. The marriage of the Catholic Princess, Mary of Habsburg to the Protestant Duke, William V of Cleves in 1546, the year of Luther's death, nine years before the Peace of Augsburg (1555), was part of an effort to maintain the religious peace in Europe. By 1630 the Heirs of the Heads of both Leagues were twelve years into an international war which would last another 18 years until the Peace of Westphalia (1648).

26) At the bottom of the second window, the circle with the shield containing three small shields (or hearts) contains the seal (Coat-Of-Arms) of the multiple Dukedom of Cleves - Julich - Berg used by William V of Cleves (1516 - 1592) and by his younger son who was his heir, John William of La Marck (1562 - 1609). The figure wears a crown of nobility for the Duke (Herzog) and three small shields resemble three golden hearts denuded of their territorial insignia, as if to disclose The Heart of God in Sacrificial Covenant. In traditional setting (Catholic form) of the multiple Dukedom of Cleves - Julich - Berg, the Eightfold Cross of Cleves (Composed of a circle of eight golden lilies) is flanked by the Lion of Julich and the Lion of Berg. For some reason the glass maker has been instructed to denude each Golden Heart Shield and to carry the Vestiges of the Two Lion Insignia in the Form of Claws to the level of the helmet below the Insignia in Ducal Crown and, at the same time, to elevate the Eight Golden Lilies of the Cross of Cleves directly above the Ducal Crown, as if to represent the gospel (or evangelical) mysteries of the Transfiguration and the Crucifixion, wherein the Golden Kingdom of the Messiah supersedes the Levitical Dispensation (or Ducal Witness) of Moses and Elijah, the Two Lions of the Tribe of Levi. Perhaps, we are looking at an Evangelical From (Lutheran or Calvinist) of the Ducal Dignity which our Mennonite - Anabaptist Bishop (Hermen Op Den Graff) has had the sincerity and integrity to portray in both a genealogical and historical context.

27) The picture at the top of the second window may be a portrayal of Lohengrin, Knight of the Swan, with Elsa of Brabant (his wife) or with his daughter, Ida of Lorraine, who married the Count of Louvain. In the picture, a woman (wearing an ermine robe of royalty) is standing in the Court of Altena before the bearded Graff. She may be kissing a symbol of the Sacred Heart or a symbol of one of the mysteries of the Rosary or swearing an oath on the necklace or collar of Saint Hubert, an early missionary from Rome who preached the Gospel of Christ north of the Alps in that part of the Ancient County of Altena which later was subdivided into the Dukedoms of Julich and Berg. The woman in the "Lohengrin" picture might actually portray the Catholic Princess, Mary of Habsburg, professing her oath of faith to her Protestant husband the Count of Altena, William V, Duke of Cleves, during the 1546 Marriage Treaty of Peace. Both Catholic and Protestant armies assembled would hold reverence for Altena because of its ancient associations with the Gospel of Christ. The checkered floor of light and dark squares (which we believe to be a red and a white now somewhat faded) resembles the checkers on the Coat-Of-Arms of the Lohengrin family De La Marck of the County of Altena. This particular De La Marck family was a cadet branch of the House of Boulogne (Bouillon) who were the Crusader Kings of Jerusalem. Below the Lohengrin picture of the second window, the Helmet Swan wears the Golden (or Royal) Crown of Jerusalem above the Shield Swan. Since Godfrey of Bouillon (the brother of the De La Marck forebear) was the Guardian of the Holy Sepulcher, the Crowned Helmet Swan might portray the Triumph of the Ascension above the Shield Swan which portrays the Resurrection. The De La Marck family of Altena of the House of Boulogne of the House of Lohengrin lived in the Schlossberg Castle at the town of Altena. The Lohengrin picture shows both the Berg (mountain) and the Schloss (castle) above the Military and/or Religious Procession on the bridge and a camp of pitched tents below the bridge and above the checkered floor geographically depicting both the County (Graafschaff) and Ruling Family of Altena. The Altena branch of the House of De La Marck inherited the Dukedom of Cleves and relocated to the Schwannenburg (Swan Castle) in the town of Cleves.

28) We have described the Lohengrin pictures as if it were an original (1630) inset of the "second" extant window. However, other researchers have declared the picture to be a replacement for the text quoted from the Epistle to the Romans: "Who shall separate us from the love of God..." if the quote from the Epistle to the Romans was the original (1630) inset of the "second" extant window, the verse may have been used to bewail the territorial division of Cleves - Julich - Berg by religious factions, each claiming not to be separated or divided from the love of God, yet, propagating war, bloodshed and slaughter.

29) The text quote from the Epistle to the Romans cited in the August 1894 issue of the Crefelder Zeitung, No. 421, but now apparently missing in 1981, may have appeared on a third or forth window that has not yet been disclosed to the public. There may have been at least four Op Den Graff Windows, that is two sets of windows. The misunderstanding about the number of windows arose from the attempted translation from the original language.

30) It is not certain that the second circle at the bottom of the second window (lower right hand quarter) contains the seal for Anna Van Aldekerk, the possible morganatic (natural) mother of Hermen Op Den Graff (1585 - 1642). Aldekerk may appear in the Scheuten family manuscript as Aldekerk (Old Church) or as Altemberg (Old Mountain). Other names for the ancient Count of Altena are Alten and Elten. It is believed that a memorial to Hermen's mother may have appeared on the first extant window in the second circle and was somehow combined with the Seal of the Lohengrin Swan and subsumed under the morganatic and committal dignity of the name Op Den Graff.

31) If a memorial to Hermen's mother appears at all as a special Aldekerk (Old Church) symbol, it is probably somehow combined with the Nobility Seal of the Lohengrin Swan on the second window and subsumed under the Committal Dignity of La Marck or Altena. At least one of the sources told us that Hermen Op Den Graff descended from "one De Aldekerk"(14). Is the word "one" a misprint for Anne or Anna as in Anna Van Aldekerk (Anne De Aldekerk)? In the Dutch language Aan De Aldekerk could mean at the old church. Aan (double 'A') is one of the many words for 'At'. "Hermen's descent is at the Old Church", that is, "in the Catholic Records". If Hermen's birth record is in the Catholic records, it may be under the French form of Armen De La Comte (Hermen of the Count) or under the Latin form of Arminius Comiti (Hermen of the Count). Does the phrase One De Aldekerk mean One Of Old Church, one who is Catholic? In other words, Hermen's mother was a Catholic woman, better yet, a Catholic Ex-Nun, who excluded herself from the feudal succession by the breaking of her vows? We must remember, we are dealing with both euphemisms and the human suffering of the Reformation. Were the four noble born Nuns(15) (the three Sisters Von Brackel and Sister Gudula Von Arfft), who requested from the authorities of Moers (Meer) in 1615 permission to live in the Mennonite home of Hermen Op Den Graff in Krefeld, relatives of Hermen's mother, Anna Van Aldekerk, or her former religious associates, attending her death bed?

32) If the seal of the Pletjes family appears at all, it is believed to be somehow combined with the Lohengrin Swan representing the morganatic dignity of Op Den Graff in the left hand circle of the first window. Its present form is perceived as a plant-like symbol, perhaps flax or another crop used in the weaving industry. Joel D. Alderfer, the Librarian/Curator of the Meeting House, Mennonite Historians of Eastern Pennsylvania, Harleysville, Pennsylvania, has informed us that "A flax field when in bloom is colored blue". On the extant window we behold "A white or silvery Swan ascending a blue field".

33) Pletjes (Pletges) as a form of Planta or Plantagenet cannot be reconstructed from either window as shown, unless some of the yellow panes represent the straw yellow of Plantagenet - Pennwood - Pletges instead of the gold of Geldern - Delamarck - Opdengraff. Samuel Whitaker Pennypacker (1843 - 1916), before he was Governor of Pennsylvania, examined parts of the Scheuten manuscript in 1890 in the home of Carl Scheuten of Krefeld, Germany. Pennypacker suggested a family connection between the English Quakers and the Continental Dutch and German Anabaptists. At the same time, Pennypacker claimed a Plantagenet line for himself through his Anderson - Stradling - Beaufort ancestry. To date, we have found no record where he ever claimed a second Plantagenet line through his Whitaker - Opdengraff - Pletges ancestry. Nonetheless, through his Stradling - Beaufort - Plantagenet line, Pennypacker went on to claim descent from the Count (Graff) of Holland through many generations. The author of the Thesis Fragment detected in the Opdengraff - Pletges mimeograph of 1963 may have correlated the Plantagenet Swan of the House of Lancaster displayed on the principal standard of Henry V of England (1387 - 1422) with the Helmet Swan wearing the Golden (Royal) Crown of Jerusalem on the second extant Op Den Graff window of 1630. The Plantagenet Swan of Lancaster wears a Ducal Coronet, resembling the Crown of Jerusalem, as a collar gorged around its neck. In Reformation terms, the Plantagenet - Pletges - Pennwood correlation is either part of the Gospel or part of the Apocrypha. In reconstruction terms, Grietje Pletjes De Kempen (1588 - 1643) married in 1605 to Hermen Op Den Graff Van De Aldekerk (1585 - 1642), the morganatic great nephew of Anne of Cleves (1515 - 1557), the 1540 Queen of England, briefly married to the Tudor Heir of the Anglo-French Plantagenets(16).

34) That Pletjes means weaver and is a form of Flechten (Linen) would explain how the Op Den Graeff family got into the linen industry. The related linguistic forms of Pletjes are Pletges, Flax, Fleax, Flachs, Plek, Plait (interweave), Plectere, Plicare or Flechten. If Pletjes is also related to the word Planta it is connected with the words Plain (Pale Yellow), Plat (Straw Colored), Flat, Plant, and Plantagenet. Pletjes as a form of Planta or Plantagenet has not yet been validated or repudiated by documents known to us. However, direct descendants of the Plantagenet line went into hiding on the Continent in the Low Countries to prevent their execution under the Tudor monarchs of England, especially Henry VIII (1491 - 1547) who in 1539/40 dared to take as his forth wife Anne of Cleves (1515 - 1557), sister of William V De La Marck (1516 - 1592), the Duke of Cleves who would be appointed Director of the Netherlands - Westphalian Circle (Kreis) of the Holy Roman Empire. Tafel 37 for the Pletges family in the Scheuten manuscript lists the Progenitor and his spouse (born 1500 died 1579 age 79) but records no name for him or his spouse. We read the initials N.P. married N.P., perhaps incorrectly. Why was it so important to record initials and conceal the names? Why not just begin the Tafel with Dries (Andreas) Pletges of Kempen who died in 1608? Would we dare to suggest that the listing of some of the seven young deaths of the Pletges children was a legal device to protect the adult identity of either Plantagenet royal line descendants or Anabaptist religious radicals or both? Have we broken all the rules of rational genealogy by such speculation? Why did the Plantagenets in England take their wives from the Low Countries from families who patronized the cloth industries in the Rhine Valley? Planta, Pletjes, Flax, Linen, Weaver. Let us stop spinning and go back to weaving. But how do we do that in Genealogy with the least number of flaws?

35) Grietje Pletjes (1588 - 1643) can then be translated as Margaret Weaver, daughter of Driessen Pletjes (about 1550 - 1609) or Andrew Weaver. More precisely, Pletjes should be translated as Linen weaver.

36) That there was a Pletjes - Jasper - Penn connection cannot be reconstructed from either window as we perceive it. At least one citation or transcription of Tafel 37 (Pletges family) of the Scheuten manuscript (the Opdengraff - Pletjes mimeograph of 1963) listed a Jan Jasper married Alet Pletjes and later married her sister Marie Pletjes, the reputed mother and step-mother (aunt) of Margaret Jasper (about 1621 - 1682), the mother of the Quaker William Penn (1644 - 1718)(17). The apocryphal grandmother Pennwood(18) of Quaker William Penn in some of his spiritual biographies may be a misplaced vestige and an attempted translation of a grandmother Pletjes. In other words, a Rhine Valley Mennonite Grandmother (with a reputed Pennwood - Plantagenet - Pletges Ancestry) was exiled to Ireland to live with a daughter's Van Der Schuren and Penn families, and later moved to England. Such a woman would help to prepare the curiosity of a young mind for its response to the spirituality of Quakerism and the missionary tours to the Rhine Valley Anabaptists. Another transcription of Tafel 37 for the Pletges family from the Scheuten manuscript (dated 1928 and found in the Krefeld Archives) is written in the Carolingian-Italic style which was a popular and fashionable reform in international handwriting after the Treaty of Paris in 1920 and the formation of the League of Nations. This version of Tafel 37 lists four Pletges sisters: Greitjen born 1582 died 1584; Aletjen born 1583 died young; Dogter born and died 1586; and a second Greitjen born 1588 died 1643 married Hermen Op Den Graff Van De Aldekerk (Tafel 38). There is no mention of a second Aletjen (Alet) who married a Jasper or of a second Dogter or Dagmar (Marie) who married a Jasper. However, the sole Aletjen born 1583 is listed as "Jong +" (young death or died young). The Carolingian-Italic style transcriber of the 1928 Krefeld Archives version may have read the sign of the cross behind the "J" word and transcribed the entry as "Jong +" whereas the author of the source behind the Op Den Graff - Pletjes mimeograph of 1963 may have read the faded letters "ER" behind the "J" word and transcribed the entry as Jasper. The first Greitge born in 1582 of the Pletges line (as we read it from the 1928 transcription of the Krefeld Archives copy) is perhaps relocated to the Jasper line (of the 1963 Op Den Graff - Pletjes mimeograph) underneath Aletjen born in 1583 to become Greitjen (Margaret) Jasper born 1622 died 1682 who marries a Van Der Schure and latter a Pennen or Penn. The Pletjes - Jasper - Penn pedigree chart may have been a reconstruction of an earlier Tafel entitled Pletjes -Jasper - Pennen. A Jacob Pennen of Flissingen is listed as a signer of the Dordrecht Confession of 1632. The first husband of Margaret Jasper was listed as Nicasius Van Der Schure, or Nicholas Van Der Schuren(19). Schuren is translated as Barns. Schuren may be the same as Scheur and Scheurendt in the Scheuten family manuscript and the Church Records of the Rhine Valley.

37) That Quaker William Penn was a cousin to the Countess of Horn (or a cousin of her husband), a Quaker supporter of the Rhine Valley, through the House of Pletjes or the House of Altena (Alten), or both, is not readily revealed from the picture themes of the second extant window.

38) It is generally believed that the published papers and diaries of William Penn, the Quaker, are completely silent about how he was related to the Countess of Horn, the connections of his mother Margaret Jasper in Ireland, the Netherlands, the Rhine Valley and the Rhine Valley Protestants who relocated to Ireland during the Thirty Years War (1618 - 1648) and how they supported Quakerism in his day. Yet, the same group of Protestants are said to have supported Methodism in the days of John Wesley (1703 - 1791). The Pletjes - Jasper - Penn pedigree chart seen in the Op Den Graff - Pletjes mimeograph of 1963 may (at an earlier date) have been part of an unpublished Thesis concerning the Plantagenet - Pletjes connection as well as the Jasper - Penn genealogy. William Penn the Quaker remained a mysterious political friend of James II Stuart, the Catholic King of England, deposed in the Glorious Revolution of 1688. The mysterious Anabaptist-Catholic alliance against the Calvinist, Lutheran, Presbyterian and Anglican forms of Protestantism resurfaced over two centuries from 1524 through 1714. The Plantagenet - Pletjes - Pennwood correlation may be questioned for the Jasper line of Quaker William Penn but still validated for Hermen's wife Grietje Pletjes. The Plantagenet ancestor, Fulk V of Anjou (as a Crusader King) also wore the Crown of Jerusalem which appears on the Helmet Swan of the second window. However, we are not yet ready to claim the Noble Swan of Pletjes on the second window as the logical complement to the Morganatic Swan of Den Graff on the first window. We suspect that this genealogical opera of Lohengrin will not be properly squared to four or scored four/four time until the triangle of Op Den Graff - De La Marck - Lohengrin is aligned with the triangle of Pletjes -Pennwood - Plantagenet. Trouble comes as a pair: Hermen Op Den Graff and his housewife Grietje. Are Hermen and Grietje from the same House of Lohengrin, from two different lines? The De La Marck - Op Den Graff and the Plantagenet - Pletges?

39) If this thesis is really a genealogical opera in search of Lohengrin and the mystery of one Hermen Op Den Graff Van De Aldekerk, the opera now involves reconstructed windows with missing panes, reconstructed names with polyglot spellings and reconstructed manuscripts of doctored documents. The last scene of the last act will attempt to portray the Resurrection of all the Cemeteries in the Rhine Valley to find out who speaks for whom. Our behind the scenes role in this haunting opera involves:

An unending quest without any clear rest

A linguistic test of our genealogical best

The uncovering of one Lohengrin Swan nest

Hidden since 1585 in an Aldekerk Cloister west

With the help of Mother Superior confessed

By command of the Holy Roman Emperor suppressed

Dutifully and prayerfully blessed

Placed mournfully into Saint Gertrude's chest

Then re-displayed in 1630 as an Op Den Graff Crest.

40) In reference to any authentic birth record for Hermen Op Den Graff (1585 - 1642), the Aldekerk Church Book and/or Cloister Register may have been the Latin originals for such a birth record. A polyglot paraphrase or a Dutch vernacular translation of that birth record may have been used as the source for the Dutch wording in Tafel 38 of the Scheuten manuscript: Hermen Op Den Graff Van De Aldekerk. Apparently, some family historians have attempted to reconstruct the original wording of Hermen's birth record as follows: Graff De La Marck Von Alten Und Anna Van Aldekerk, or, Anne De Aldekerk; suggesting a German-French Count and a Dutch or French woman ( Count of the Mark of Altena and Anna of Aldekerk). Other family historians simply perceived the polyglot paraphrase to be little more than Hermen's geographical place of birth, such as: Graafschaff Van Den Marck Van Alten Aan De Aldekerk ( County of the Mark of Altena at the Old Church). A real clue to the original wording of Hermen's birth record may actually appear on the first window below the Op Den Graff Family Motto: The Lohengrin Swan is holding a baton in its wing. The baton resembles the De La Marck checker insignia of light and dark. The baton is either the Baton of Altena (red and white) or the Baton of Geldern (brown and yellow). Both batons were held by the same De La Marck Family of Cleves in the year 1585. The bend of the baton may represent morganatic birth (Bar Dexter) or natural paternity (Bar Sinister) depending upon the inside/outside orientation of its framing. The separated Swan Seal may have been reassembled in reverse (backwards) to its frame so that an original Swan Dexter now appears as a Swan Sinister. William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616), The Bard of Avon, in his 1591 play (Henry the Sixth, Act 5, Scene 3, line 56) tells us: "So doth the Swan her downy cygnets save, keeping them prisoner underneath her wings". Regardless of any clear evidence to choose Bar Dexter over Bar Sinister, we believe the militant spirit of the Reformation actually prevented the use of the personal name of the Graff on the original birth record and permitted only his title, so that only the personal name of the mother (Anne, Anna) appeared in the birth record and was later confused with the Dutch preposition AAN, as later generations reworked and transcribed the documents and perhaps even misunderstood the traditions hidden within the euphemisms. This not with standing, we now suspect the "modern" Dutch wording on Tafel 38 of the Scheuten manuscript (Hermen Op Den Graaf Van De Aldekerk) to be a deliberate and conscious contraction of an earlier Dutch-German-French polyglot paraphrase (Hermen Op Den Graff Von Alten Und Anne De Aldekerk). We also suspect that the Pennypacker copy of the Scheuten manuscript (if it still exists) will resolve part of the problem of divergent transcriptions. The triangle of the authentic birth record: the Patronymic Pawn, the Baton and the Swan. In this part of the genealogical opera, the militant spirit of the Reformation has met the militant spirit of the Reconstruction.

41) Should the Scheuten Family Manuscript neither substantiate nor repudiate the tenets of this THESIS, we must continue to look for the scattered unpublished notes of S.W. Pennpacker, D.K. Cassel and other pioneer genealogists of the Victorian past, and the unknown author of that lost manila folder of 1963, which made some of us wonder about the legacies of the migrating ancestors.

42) We believe the lost manila folder of 1963(20) was a mimeograph, entitled "Op Den Graff - Pletjes" which cited the Scheuten Manuscript and contained a Pletjes - Jasper - Penn pedigree chart. A mimeograph form gives us hope that there are extant multiple copies somewhere out there. The following agencies may have copies: Brown Public Library (or Lycoming County Historical Society), Williamsport, PA; Penn-Germania Collection (or Union County Historical Society), Bucknell University Library, Lewisburg, PA; Kauffman Public Library (or Northumberland County Historical Society) Sunbury, PA.

43) The morganatic father of Hermen Op Den Graff (1585 - 1642) has been tentatively identified as John William of La Marck (1562 -1609). Should we really transfer the morganatic paternity to the older brother, Charles Fredereck De La Marck (Karl Frederich) (1555 - 1585). Was this Charles Fredereck the Graff (Count) of the House of Cleves the one who contracted the liaison or morganatic marriage with a woman listed as Anna Van Aldekerk in 1584? Is our problem one of chronology or a typographical error in some of our sources? Charles Fredereck is also listed (in some sources) as having died ten years earlier in 1575. William I. Hull (1935) in referring to the name Op Den Graeff in a footnote on page 210 of his book, "William Penn and the Dutch Quaker Migration To Pennsylvania" tells us:

Graaf, so spelled in modern Dutch, means Count; and Graafschaf, county or country...Op Den Graeff, or Graaf, is a common suffix to names in Holland in the forms also of Van Graff, Von De Graeff and Van Der Graeff, it is found among many families of Huguenot descent in Dordrecht, The Hague, etc.

In the same footnote, Dr. Hull mistakes Bishop Hermen for his Quaker grandson Herman Isaacs:

Perhaps Herman Isaacs was so called Op Den Graeff in Krefeld partly because he had come into the town from the county of Graafschaf, or partly in order to distinguish him and his family from the Krefeld family of Isaac Van Bebber.

Dr. Hull's 1935 edition on the same page (210) appears to propagate typographical errors in dating and to reveal a dependency upon reworked secondary source material from S.W. Pennypacker's files which are not primary source materials from Europe. He also lists the year 1615 instead of the correct year 1605 for the marriage of Hermen Op Den Graff and Grietje Pletjes; and the Schenten manuscript instead of the Scheuten manuscript(21).

44) In 1630, Hermen Op Den Graff celebrated a quarter century of marriage (1605 - 1630) with his Mennonite bride, Grietje Pletjes of Kempen. Our Bishop Hermen placed the year date 1630 on his first window underneath the phrase, Hermen Op Den Graff Und Greitgen Sein Hosfrow and above the morganatic family seal which portrays the Lohengrin Swan of the House of Cleves - De La Marck ascending a blue field of blooming flax of the House of Pletjes. Our Bishop Hermen displayed a miniature Rhine Valley geography and a heraldic genealogy of four intermarried multi-religious families: Roman Catholic, Mennonite, Lutheran and Calvinist.

45) On the second window (or a third window still missing), the missing quote(22) from the Epistle to the Romans (8:35), "Who shall separate us from the love of God" contains within it a quote from Psalms (44:22), "We are being destroyed all day long. We are looked upon as sheep to be slaughtered." Do the four family seals explain why this family is looked upon as sheep to be slaughtered? Is it because this pacifist Mennonite family chose to embrace all of its non-Mennonite relatives in peace? Was this Mennonite family too Catholic for the Protestant Armies and too Protestant for the Catholic Armies marching through the territories of Moers, Cleves, Julich, Berg, Ravensberg, Altena and La Marck? Are the two extant windows an artistic expression of a Mennonite Rosary or a Mennonite Liturgical Book of Hours? Are the ten smaller circles on each of the two extant windows numbered or lettered in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Dutch, German or French? Are we dealing with the Biblical Numerology of the Reformation, the Hebrew Cabala of the Rabbis, the Mysteries of the Rosary or with a Mennonite-Anabaptist combination of all three methods to decipher and proclaim the Revealed Word of God?

46) In reference to the ten smaller circles on each window frame, the number ten in the Hebrew Cabala represents the Messiah, the Christ, the Lord of the Kingdom, who as the primordial and cosmic and incarnate Son of Man accomplishes the Will of God in ten emanations or ministries. The ten also represents the feet (the Kingdom) of him that preached the gospel of peace, the Messiah of the Incarnation. On the first extant window the year 1630 in Biblical numerology reduces to ten when added by the process of Hebrew Gamatria: 1630 (1+6+3+0). The year 1630 represents the 16th centennial of the Baptism of Christ in the Jordan. Underneath the year 1630 the Lohengrin Swan of the second family seal ascends the blue field of the Kingdom of Heaven from the Water of Baptism.

47) Above the first family seal (now missing) of the first extant window, the Blessed Mother is robed in the blue color of the Virgin Daughter of Zion of the House of David. In the Dordrecht Confession of 1632, which our Bishop Hermen signs, the incarnation of the word from the flesh of the blessed virgin is considered a mystery which God had kept to Himself. Enthronement of the Blessed Mother above the missing family seal represented the incarnation of the first coming. However, the enthronement of the Blessed Mother may originally have been literally above the Wings of Eagles (Isaiah 40:39), the Eagle of Austria paired with the Eagle of Ancient Burgundy to form the Double Eagle Seal of the Holy Roman Empire. To the Catholic members of the family, this enthronement would have represented the Glorious Assumption of the Rosary. To the Mennonite-Anabaptist member the enthronement of the Blessed Mother would have represented the Rapture of the True Church at the Second Coming, the Promise of Isaiah (40:39) fulfilled in plural form for the entire Body of Christ. The Blessed Mother holds the Passover Chalice of the New Testament, the Blood of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, on her lap, below the Bread of the Presence, held by the left hand of the Christ Child in her bosom. The Christ Child holds the White Dove of the Holy Spirit on his right shoulder. The folds in the robe at the feet of the Blessed Mother suggest the White Dove of the Holy Grail facing left and the Bowed head of the white Lohengrin Swan facing right toward the Swan Seal Sinister below the Op Den Graff Family Motto. The peaceful eyes of the Blessed Mother also look down toward the morganatic swan of the Op Den Graff below the Family Motto panel. The feet of the Blessed Mother rest upon the pedestal of stars representing the Twelve Tribes of Israel, flanked on each side of the Throne by two Eagle-Lion Cherubim, guarding the Living Ark of the Covenant. The prostrating Swan at the feet of the Blessed Mother represents the descent of Mary of Habsburg (1530 - 1584), another cadet branch of the Lohengrin family. We believe there are at least five visible swans on the two extant windows: three on the first and two on the second. However, we are not yet ready to claim them in an exact genealogical order as, for example: the solitary, prostrating Swan of Alsace - Habsburg; the helmet Swan of Aldekerk above the morganatic shield Swan of Geldern - Op Den Graff; the Jerusalem helmet Swan of Plantagenet - Pletges - Pennwood above the resurrection shield Swan of Altena - De La Marck - Bouillon.

48) If our Bishop Hermen "consciously" intended to witness to the mysteries of the Gospel (the Incarnation of the First Coming, the Rapture of the Second Coming, the Baptism of Christ in the river Jordan) on his first window, would he not "continue" his witness on the second window? We believe so. Article II of the Dordrecht Confession(23) (1632) quotes from the Psalms (47:9): For the shields of the earth belong unto God; He is greatly exalted. The second extant window witness to the Mystery of the Resurrection and combined with the Mystery of the Ascension.

49) The combined mystery of the Transfiguration and Crucifixion is portrayed by the Family Seal of the multiple Dukedom of Cleves - Julich - Berg. The Eightfold Cross of Cleves in the form of a circle (or wheel of eight lilies) is flanked by the Lion of Julich and the Lion of Berg. In the transfiguration the two lions of the Tribe of Levi (Moses and Elijah) flank the transfigured Christ. A tiny shield (which we believe bears the image of a lamb, the Lamb of God) is impaled upon the center of the lilies of the Eightfold Cross of Cleves. The number eight in vertical form represents Eternity, in horizontal form, Infinity. The Tetragrammaton (JHVH) of the Divine Name, in Hebrew Gamatria, adds up to 26 (10+5+6+5) and reduces to eight. In the Mystery of the Transfiguration, the Eightfold Cross of Cleves represents the Eternal Justice and the Infinite Mercy of God. The Lions of Julich and Berg, representing the Angels of Moses and Elijah, also portray the Two Cherubim who guard the Ark of the Covenant. The Gospel of John portrays the Crucifixion as the Levitical fulfillment of the Lamb of God in the sacrifice of Transfiguration and Glorification.

50) And finally, the combined mystery of the Resurrection and Ascension is portrayed by the noble and committal Lohengrin Swan Seal on the second window. The morganatic swan seal of the first window portrays the Baptism unto death by Christ as the revealed Lamb of God in the river Jordan. The committal Swan Seal of the second window portrays the Triumphant Swan of the Ascension in the helmet decoration above the Shield Swan of the Resurrection. The Triumphant Swan of the Ascension completes the Ministry of the Incarnation. The Swan was a symbol of the miracle performed by God in the Rhine Valley in the days of Lohengrin. In the difficult days of the Thirty Years War (1618 - 1648), the Miracle of God in the days of Lohengrin was called to mind for comfort and rededication of life.

51) Is the mystery of the Op Den Graff windows all serendipity? Did our Bishop Hermen and his wife, Grietje attend Krefeld Market one day and find two or more window frames for their townhouse? The frames just happened to have hints of the Hebrew Cabala and signs of the Mysteries of the Rosary on them. Never the less, Hermen and Grietje decided such fancy work would be good advertising for the linen business and cloth industry. Their Pletjes family niece, Margaret Jasper has married a Van Der Schuren and migrated to Ireland to escape the ridiculous Religious wars over church real estate and to invest in or inherit her own real estate, and her crazy son from her second marriage (William Penn, one of the largest real estate investors in history) had not yet been born to sit down, as if in front of the second window, to write or pen a pamphlet, entitled: "No Cross, No Crown".

52) So, after all this recitation, we are still confronted by a haunting mystery displayed on a beautiful set of stained glass windows dated 1630 A.D.: One Hermen Op Den Graff, one Blessed Mother of Christ, one missing family seal, one family motto, two extant windows, two different Lohengrin Swan Seals, three shields of a multiple Dukedom, three rectangular insets, four family seals, five centuries of Mennonite-Anabaptist Witness, twenty mystical circles of frame decoration, twenty centuries of Apostolic Interrogation: Who shall separate us from the love of God?

Readers of this Thesis are encouraged to discuss it with Mr. Miller. Commentary, documentation and even logical speculation are welcome. You may write to: Glenn Wayne Miller, 136 West Price Street, Philadelphia, PA 19144. Or Kevin L. Sholder, 414 Blackstone Dr., Centerville, OH 45459-4111.

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1. Aldekerk: S.W. Pennypacker mentions the Cloister of Aldekerk as well as the Church and Village of Aldekerk, Resource: A Tour Of Europe (1890) page 81 versa. No mention of the Cloister of Aldekerk appears in the edited, published version (1918) of Autobiography of a Pennsylvanian (pages 217 - 218).

Pennypacker also mentions Kaldenkirchen underneath his entry for Aldekerk as side diversions from Krefeld (Crefeld) on his itinerary, but we have yet to find his description of his visit to Kaldenkirchen, Resource: A Tour Of Europe (1890).

Pennypacker at one time described the origin of Herman Op Den Graff (1585 - 1642), in one sentence: "He came from Aldekerk, a village between Gelder and Kevelaar near the border of Holland and married in Crefeld a Mennonite girl named Grietje Pletjes." Resource: The Pennypacker Pedigree (1870) page 445.

2. Von Arfft may be a re-spelling or misspelling of Von Arkel, a cadet branch of the House of Cleves.

3. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 7, Number 2, page 53, Op Den Graeff - "Karl Friedrich Von Frank, February 22, 1972 letter.

4. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 5, Number 2, page 47, "The Stain Glass Panes of Hermen Op Den Graeff".

5. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 6, Number 1, pages 35 - 36, Op Den Graeff Query.

6. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 5, Number 2, page 47, "The Stain Glass Panes Of Hermen Op Den Graeff".

7. Ibid.

8. Scheuten Family Manuscript: Scheuten misspelled as Schenten (pages 217 - 218) in the edited notes used for Autobiography Of A Pennsylvanian (1918) by S.W. Pennpacker who died in 1916.

Scheuten Manuscript Genealogy: A copy was owned by Elizabeth Muller of Crefeld (Krefeld) in 1879. Resource: The Pennypacker Pedigree (1879) page 445, by S.W. Pennypacker. A copy was owned by Carl Scheuten of Crefeld (Krefeld) in 1890 when S.W. Pennypacker visited. Resource: A Tour Of Europe (1890) pages 80 - 81 versa, by S.W. Pennypacker.

9. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 3, Number 1, page 10, "Ancestors Of Theunis Koenders/Kunders/Conradts/Heckers".

10. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 5, Number 2, page 47, "The Stain Glass Panes Of Hermen Op Den Graeff".

11. The Op Den Graff-Pletjes mimeograph (1963) as seen by the author in 1963.

12. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 6, Number 1, page 24. "More On The Stain Glass Panes."

13. Armorial General, Volume 1, page 812, 1884.

14. The Op Den Graff - Pletjes mimeograph (1963) as seen by the author in 1963.

15. Krefeld Immigrants and Their Descendants, Volume 7, Number 2, page 53, Op Den Graeff - "Karl Friedrich Von Frank, February 22, 1972 letter".

16. Queens of England, 1976, by Norah Lofts, pages 101 - 103; House of Tudor, 1976, by Alison Plowden, pages 112 - 113, 164.

17. The Penns of Pennsylvania and England, Arthur Pound, New York, 1932, footnote #2: "Mrs. Penn is described as a Dutch woman by Samuel Pepys in his famous 'Diary'. In 1908 (Volume V, page 118, 'Journal' of the Friends Historical Society, London) Albert Cook Myers presented evidence that she was the daughter of John Jasper of Ballycase, County Clare, Ireland, and his wife, Marie. Prior to 1641 Margaret Jasper married Nicasius Vanderschure, or Van Der Schuren, of Kilconry and Parish of Killrush, County Clare, Ireland. The latter was a Dutch merchant, and her father, John Jasper, has also been described as a Dutch merchant. On the basis of these findings, J.W. Graham, in his 'William Penn', observes that the name Jasper is Anglo-Irish rather than Dutch and suggests that Mrs. Penn may not have been Dutch at all. Mabel Brailsford, in her 'Making Of William Penn', makes the complete leap. Myers has evidence, secured before the destruction of the Four Courts at Dublin in 1916, that John Jasper was really Dutch, so that William Penn was half-Dutch".

18. Pennwood - Pletjes Connection: The apocryphal grandmother Pennwood of Quaker William Penn and the grandmother Pletjes who married a Jasper: Does S.W. Pennypacker give us a hint as far back as 1883? Or is he only speaking in general terms: "A recent able writer upon this subject has suggested the query as to how far the founders of the Quakers were familiar with the doctrines of the German Anabaptists, and intimates the opinion that the former sect was an outgrowth of the latter". Resource: Historical and Biographical Sketches (1883) page 206.

19. The Penns of Pennsylvania and England, Arthur Pound, NY, 1932, footnote #2.

20. The Op Den Graff - Pletjes mimeograph (1963).

21. Dr. John L. Ruth, a film-maker and writer of local Mennonite history, living in Harleysville, PA has taken almost all of the early writers and historians of the Krefled-Germantown story to "readers court" for the propagation of misinformation. Some of Dr. Ruth's defendants include: The American Historians, Samuel Whitaker Pennypacker, Daniel Kolb Cassel, William I. Hull. The European historians, Karl Kembert and Wilhelm Niepoth. See Mennonite Quarterly Review, Volume 57, Number 4, October 1983, pages 307 -331. We hope the likes of Dr. Ruth will help to validate or repudiate the information presented in this Thesis.

22. Crefelder Zeitung, Number 421, August 1894.

23. One of the authors and signers of the Dordrecht Confession of 1632 was Tobias Govertz Van Den Wyngaert (1587 - 1667) of Amsterdam, a Mennonite ancestor of Blessed Katherine Drexell (1858 - 1955) of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, through the Keyser genealogy of Germantown.

Last revised: May 9, 1998

Glenn Wayne Miller

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JAMES VAN BIBBER OF RAY COUNTY MISSOURI

By Bruce Logan ([email protected])

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>To: [email protected] <[email protected]>

Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>

Subject: RE: Ray County, MO Lookup

Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 8:24 PM

There is one VAN BIBBER biographical sketch: James VANBEBBER who lived in the Millville area. It mentions he was married to Elizabeth YOCUM. was born in KY, arrived in Ray Co. about 1834 and eventually moved to Caldwell Co., MO where he died in 1874.

10 children, but only one, William H. Van Bebber, was mentioned by name & was living in Ray Co. in 1881. Had 3 sons unnamed.(pp.772--773).

Doug Mason, Ray County MOGenWeb Coordinator

Bruce Logan

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THE VAN BIBBERS OF RAY COUNTY MISSOURI

By Bruce Logan ([email protected]) and Gary R. Hawpe ([email protected])

(The research on the census records is by Bruce Logan and the identification and commentary are by Gary R. Hawpe).

Ray Co., MO Census of 1850

951 951

Vanbebber Peter 51 M Farmer 1,800 Ten X

Vanbebber Sarah 46 F Ten

Vanbebber John 17 M Farmer Ten Vanbebber William H.15 M Farmer Ten Vanbebber George M. 13 M Mo X Vanbebber Prudence 11 F Mo X

Vanbebber Marcus 9 M Mo X

Vanbebber Franklin 19 M Farmer Ten

952 952

Kincaid John 21 M Farmer Ten Kincaid Catharine 20 F Ten Kincaid William F.3/12 M Mo 953 953 Vanbebber Gabriel 28 M Farmer Ten Vanbebber Mary 28 F Ten X

Vanbebber John 7 M Mo X 956 956 Vanbebber James 46 M Farmer 1000 Ten Vanbebber Elizabeth 41 F Ten X Vanbebber William H.19 M Ten

Vanbebber Barthena 17 F Ten Vanbebber Mary 14 F Mo X Vanbebber Margaret 13 F Mo X Vanbebber Isaac 10 M Mo X Vanbebber Nimrod 8 M Mo X Vanbebber John 6 M Mo (Twin) Vanbebber James 3 M Mo (Twin) Vanbebber Peter 3 M Mo 992 992

Yoakum John 44 M Farmer 1,500 Ten Yoakum Rachel 42 F Ten Yoakum Pryor L. 21 M Farmer Ten Yoakum Hugh 19 M Farmer Ten Yoakum Mary 12 F Mo Yoakum Greenberry 8 M Mo Idiotic Yoakum Thomas 6 M Mo 958 958

Vanbebber William 41 M Farmer 1,000 Ten X Vanbebber Elizabeth 37 F Ten X Vanbebber Barbera 19 F Ten Vanbebber Martha 17 F Ten Vanbebber James 15 M Laborer Mo X Vanbebber Granville 13 M Mo X Vanbebber Pryor E. 10 M Mo X Vanbebber Emily 8 F Mo X Vanbebber Julia 6 F Mo X Vanbebber Sarah 1 F Mo -----1860 census, Ray Co., MO

family 1315

Vanbebber, Peter 61 M TennSarah 54 F TennHuston 26 M TennMarshall 23 M MoMarcus 29 M MoFreda 20 F MoMary A. Renfro 20 F Mo

The above is Peter VanBebber (25 Dec 1798 - 17 May 1873)and his second wife Sarah Grimes (5 Dec 1803 - 17 Aug 1861). Where Freda is listed, I have Prudence on mine records. She was Prudence Elizabeth VanBebber. I think a mistake was made when copying or typing it.

Mary A. Renfro was Mary Ann Renfro (18 Jan 1839 - 11 Sep 1909) the daughter of John Renfro and Elizabeth Wilds. John was the son of William Renfro and Nancy VanBebber. John and Elizabeth also lived in Ray County. I guess she was staying at their house as Peter was her great uncle and brother to her grandmother, Nancy VanBebber Renfro.

Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff

Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina _____________

Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and Frances Schumacher

Peter VanBibber and Anna ______________

Isaac VanBibber and Sarah Davis

John VanBebber and Margaret Chrisman

Peter VanBebber and Sarah Grimes.

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family 1361

Vanbebber, Jas 56 M Tenn

Elizabeth 51 F Tenn

This is James VanBebber and Elizabeth Betty Yoakum, son of John VanBebber and Margaret Chrisman. There were three brothers Peter, James, and William VB who left Claiborne County, Tennessee and settled in Ray County, Missouri. They were brothers to my 4th great grandfather Isaac VanBebber.

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family 1428

Vanbebber, Granville 20 M Mo

Margaret 16 F Mo

Oh yes, now this is where it gets interesting. Granville is the son of Jacob VanBebber and Catherine Ann Guthrie. You know by now Jacob was the son of Peter VanBebber and Ellinor VanBibber. Margaret, the wife of Granville, was the daughter of James VanBebber and Elizabeth Betty Yoakum.

Of course, Elizabeth's grandparents were George Yoakum and Martha VanBebber. The kids of Granville and Margaret have more VanBebber blood in them than you want to think. Kind of makes it scary. How would you like to trace your lines back and four of them lead to the same individual?

Bruce Logan

Gary R. Hawpe

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DESCENDANTS OF PETER VANBIBBER III AND CATHERINE RIDENOUR

By Bill Bullard ([email protected])

(A work in progress.)

Generation No. 1

1. PETER1 VANBIBBER III1 was born Abt. 1804. He married CATHERINE RIDENOUR1.

Children of PETER VANBIBBER and CATHERINE RIDENOUR are:

2. i. MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE'2 VANBIBBER, b. March 27, 1851, Polk Co, Arkansas; d. Abt. August 10, 1941, Bowie, Montaque Co, TX.

ii. OLIVE VANBIBBER2.

Generation No. 2

2. MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE'2 VANBIBBER (PETER1)3,4 was born March 27, 1851 in Polk Co, ARkansas5, and died Abt. August 10, 1941 in Bowie, Montaque Co, TX. She married PLEASANT M. MILLER September 12, 1869 in Hunt Co, Texas6.

Notes for MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE' VANBIBBER:

See 1880 Census of Hunt Co. TX Vol 18, E.D.70, Sheet 11 Line 43

Age 27, married to Pleasant M. Miller with children James W. age 8, Sarah F.

age 6, Albert L. age 3, and Minnie E. age 1. Plesant M. was 42 years old.

Mattie VanBibber is believed to be Black Dutch. She married Ples Miller about

Sept 12, 1868. Ples is believed to be half Indian and half White.

Burial: Elmwood Cemetery, Bowie, Montaque Co., Texas Blk C, Lot 55, RAV 4.

Cemetery Index, Bowie Public Library. Bobbye Dyer Carpenter of Bowie helped find location. Phone: 817-872-3804.

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6 Aug 1909; Mattie was 58 years old and stated that she had lived in Hunt Co, TX for 57 years. She had no property in Hunt Co, TX, in her name or the name of a trustee. ... Widow's Application for Pension.

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22 APR 1914, According to A. B. Cox, M. D. she was suffering from an ulcerous leg that had been sore about three years. ... Affidavit of Physician, Fannin Co, TX

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War Department, 1565708, The Adjutant General's Office, Washington, Sept. 16, 1909.

Respectfully returned to the Commisioner of Pensions, State of Texas, Austin.

The records show that PLEASANT MILLER (name not found as P. M. Miller), private, Company H, 15th Texas Calvary, Confederate States Army, enlisted April 1, 1862. On the roll of the company for November and December, 1863, last roll on his name is borne, he is reported "Absent on frulough, time is expired." No later record of him has been found. ...Signed by The Adjutant General.

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Mattie was born in Arkansas, and lived in Hunt Co., Texas from about 1852 until 1938 when she moved to 510 Ave B SW, Childress, Texas. ....Letter to Comptroller, Austin, Texas, Dated 11 OCT 1938.

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At the time of her death in Bowie, Montague Co., Texas on 10 AUG 1941, she was probably living with her son James Wiley Miller of 201 E. Tarrant St., Bowie, Texas or her daughter, Mrs. R. S. Beasley. ... Application for Mortuary Warrant, Montague Co., TX Dated 18 Aug 1941.

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More About MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE' VANBIBBER:

Fact 1: Interred: Elmwood Cemetery, Bowie, Montaque Co, TX, BLK C, Lot 55

Notes for PLEASANT M. MILLER:

REGISTERED VOTERS of HUNT COUNTY, TEXAS, 1867-1872 by Frances Ingmire, 101166 Clairmont Dr., St Louis, MO. 63136. Page 20.:

Number Date Name Nativity Signature

812 29 Aug 1867 Pleasant M. Miller Tenn. P. M. Miller

813 29 Aug 1867 Greenbeery Miller Tenn. Greenberry Miller

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Children of MARTHA VANBIBBER and PLEASANT MILLER are:

i. RUTH MAE3 MILLER, b. November 1869.

ii. JAMES WILEY MILLER, b. October 27, 1871, Texas7.

iii. SARAH FRANCES NANCY MILLER, b. January 14, 1874, Texas7.

iv. ALBERT LEROY MILLER, b. February 02, 1877, Texas7.

v. MINNIE EVELYN MILLER, b. December 24, 1879, Texas.

3. vi. SAVANNAH TENNESSEE MILLER, b. July 12, 1882, Greenville, Hunt Co, Texas; d. January 06, 1971, Pampa, Gray Co, Texas.

vii. SUSIE E. MILLER, b. June 12, 1884, Texas.

viii. ANDREW A. MILLER, b. January 16, 1887, Texas.

Generation No. 3

3. SAVANNAH TENNESSEE3 MILLER (MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE'2 VANBIBBER, PETER1) was born July 12, 1882 in Greenville, Hunt Co, Texas8, and died January 06, 1971 in Pampa, Gray Co, Texas. She married WILLIAM CORN EVERHART August 11, 1895 in Wolfe City, Hunt Co., TX9.

Notes for WILLIAM CORN EVERHART:

Copied from Linda Everhart:

Funeral services for William Corn Everhart, who died Thursday morning at 3 o'clock will be held Friday afternoon at the Quitaque Baptist Church. William Corn Everhart was born at Waco, Texas, McLennan County January 5, 1869. He was married August 11, 1895 to Miss Savannah Miller at Wolfe City. To this union 11 children were born, two of whom died in infancy. He is survived by his wife, five sons and four daughters, 20 grandchildren and two great-grandchildren. The children are; Mrs. Nora Stout, Mrs. Bessie Purcell, Mrs. Stella Purcell, Ernest Everhart, Ruie Everhart, Mrs. Ida Ruth Baldwin, Ollie Everhart, Willie Everhart, and Wanda Everhart. Mr. Everhart was converted and joined the Baptist Church at Tokio, Texas in 1931. He moved his membership to Quitaque in 1933. He came to this area about 23 years ago and engaged in farming. Mr. Everhart had suffered for several years of a cancer on his neck but had been seriously ill only a few weeks.

Census Records from Gary Hawpe:

1900- Johnson Co, Texas (Precinct No. 1) ED. 53, SH. 22A, LN.34 DWELLING/FAMILY (381/384)

EVERHART, William C. HEAD-W-M-JAN 1869-31-M5 TX-TN-TN

SAVANNA WIFE-W-F-JUL1880-19-M5 TX-AR-AR

NORA DAU-W-F-MAY 1896-4-S TX-TX-TX

BESSIE B. DAU-F-NOV 1889-6/12-S TX-TX-TX

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1910 - MARSHALL COUNTY, OKLAHOMA (ODELL TOWNSHIP) ED. 195, SH. 1B, LN. 93, DWELLING/FAMILY (22/22)

EVERHEART, WILLIAM C. HEAD-M-W-42-M1-15 TX-MO-TN

SAVANNA T. WIFE-F-W-30-M1-15 (7-6) TX-TX-TN

NORA C. DAU-F-W-13-S TX-TX-TX

BESSIE B. DAU-F-W-10-S OK-TX-TX

STELLA M. DAU-F-W-7-S OK-TX-TX

EARNEST G. SON-M-W-5-S OK-TX-TX

RUIE V. SON-M-W-3-S OK-TX-TX

FLOSSIE M. DAU-F-W-8/12-S TX-TX-TX

COMSTOCK, SARAH E. MOTHER-F-W-59-W (8-4) TN-TN-MS

HAMPTON, EDGAR O. BROTHER-M-W-23-S TN-SC-TN

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1920 - MOTLEY COUNTY,TEXAS (PRECINCT 2) ED. 185, SH. 8B, LN. 62, DWELLING/FAMILY (146/146).

EBERHARDT, WILLIAM C. HEAD-M-W-50-M-LABORER- TX-TN-TN

SAVANNAH WIFE-F-W-39-M- TX-TX-TX

BESSIE DAU-F-W-20-S- TX-TX-TX

STELLA DAU-F-W-17-S- TX-TX-TX

ERNEST SON-M-W-14-S- TX-TX-TX

RUIE SON-M-W-13-S- TX-TX-TX

IDA R. DAU-F-W-9-S- TX-TX-TX

WILLIAM SON-M-W-6-S- TX-TX-TX

OLLIE SON-M-W-1 5/12-S- TX-TX-TX

ONSTAT, SARAH MOTHER-F-W-69-W- TN-TN-TN

HAMPTON, ED BROTHER-M-W-34-S- TX-TN-TN

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More About WILLIAM CORN EVERHART:

Fact 1: 1942, Quitaque Cemetery Lot 11, Block 5, Section?

Children of SAVANNAH MILLER and WILLIAM EVERHART are:

i. NORA CLARA4 EVERHART, b. May 20, 1896, Prob. Johnson Co, TX10,11; d. November 25, 1955.

ii. FRED BOYD EVERHART, b. December 25, 1897, Prob. Johnson Co, TX; d. Abt. June 1899, Prob. Johnson Co, TX.

Notes for FRED BOYD EVERHART:

According to date on picture and estimated age of Fred in picture, he must have died about June 1899. In the 1900 Johnson Co, TX Census, Savannah had 3 children with 2 still living. Therefore Fred would have died prior to the date census was taken. BJB 29 SEP 1998.

More About FRED BOYD EVERHART:

Fact 1: Lived abt 18 months. Died with Whooping Cough and Measles12

iii. BESSIE BEULAH EVERHART, b. November 19, 1899, Cleburne, Johnson Co, TX13; d. January 17, 1993, Roswell, NM.

iv. STELLA MAE EVERHART, b. January 12, 1903; d. April 18, 1971.

v. ERNEST LOYD EVERHART, b. March 01, 1905; d. March 14, 1992, Odessa, Ector Co, TX.

vi. RUIE BURNIS EVERHART, b. July 16, 1907, Madill, Marshall Co, OK; d. December 18, 1983, Kellseyville, Lake Co, CA.

vii. FLOSSIE MELVINA EVERHART14, b. August 09, 1909, Madill, Marshall Co., OK; d. Abt. 1910, Madill, Marshall Co., OK (Probably).

More About FLOSSIE MELVINA EVERHART:

Fact 1: Died at 15 months

viii. IDA RUTH EVERHART, b. January 23, 1912; d. March 24, 1982.

More About IDA RUTH EVERHART:

Fact 1: 1982, Buried in El Paso, TX

4. ix. WILLIE HARVEY EVERHART, b. August 20, 1914, Madill, Marshall Co, OK; d. April 14, 1945, Mediterranean area, Buried; Florence, Italy.

x. OLLIE EDWIN FARMER EVERHART, b. March 18, 1918; d. August 07, 1993, Odessa, Ector Co., TX.

xi. DEWEY WANDA EVERHART, b. March 23, 1923.

Generation No. 4

4. WILLIE HARVEY4 EVERHART (SAVANNAH TENNESSEE3 MILLER, MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE'2 VANBIBBER, PETER1) was born August 20, 1914 in Madill, Marshall Co, OK, and died April 14, 1945 in Mediterranean area, Buried; Florence, Italy. He married CLARA MAE DUNAVANT February 02, 1935 in Quitaque, Briscoe Co, Texas ?.

Notes for WILLIE HARVEY EVERHART:

Copied from Linda Everhart:

Willie Harvey EVERHART

A message came from the War Department received about noon Monday stated that PFC Willie Everhart had been killed in action in Italy on April 14, 1945 and that a letter confirming the information would follow.

He had previously been reported missing in a message from the War Department received by his wife last week. PFC Everhart, who was 31 years old last August, was a son of Mrs. W. C. Everhart of Quitaque. He married Miss Clara Mae Dunavant February 2, 1933, and they have two children; Billie Ray 9, and Peggy 7. He was inducted into the service March 29, 1944 and went overseas in October 1944. Serving in an infantry unit with the Fifth Army in Italy. He was recently awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge, one of the most prized medals of the infantry.

Children of WILLIE EVERHART and CLARA DUNAVANT are:

i. BILLY RAY5 EVERHART, b. February 25, 1936, Quitaque, Briscoe Co, Texas; d. March 23, 1966, Amarillo, Potter Co, Texas.

5. ii. PEGGY ANN EVERHART, b. March 08, 1938, Quitaque, Briscoe Co, TX.

Generation No. 5

5. PEGGY ANN5 EVERHART (WILLIE HARVEY4, SAVANNAH TENNESSEE3 MILLER, MARTHA ELIZA 'MATTIE'2 VANBIBBER, PETER1) was born March 08, 1938 in Quitaque, Briscoe Co, TX. She married BILLY JOE BULLARD October 12, 1956 in Tucumcari, Quay Co, NM.

Children of PEGGY EVERHART and BILLY BULLARD are:

i. CHERYL ANN6 BULLARD, b. June 19, 1958, Dyess AFB, Abilene, Taylor Co, TX.

ii. WILLIAM BRYAN BULLARD, b. July 23, 1960, Amarillo, Potter Co, Texas.

iii. RANDALL KIRK BULLARD, b. July 14, 1961, Amarillo, Potter Co, Texas.

Notes for RANDALL KIRK BULLARD:

Randy makes custom built knives.

Endnotes

1. Jakie & Teresa Vanbebber: [email protected] 11/22/1997.

2. Gary Hawpe.

3. 1880 Hunt Co, TX Census.

4. Death Certificate.

5. Jakie & Teresa Vanbebber: [email protected] 11/22/1997. & 1880 Hunt Co, TX Census

6. Jakie & Teresa Vanbebber: [email protected] 11/22/1997.

7. 1880 Hunt Co, TX Census.

8. Family Records.

9. Hunt Co, TX Marriages 1846-1911 (929.3764272 Hun).

10. 1910 Marshall Co., OK Census.

11. 1900 Johnson Co, TX Census.

12. Information written on family picture.

13. 1900 Johnson Co, TX Census.

14. note written by Bessie Everhart Purcell.

Bill Bullard

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QUERIES

From Barbara Locker ([email protected])

Can anyone help me with this line?
1.Isaacs Jacob VB & Fronica Schumacher
2.Peter VB & Anna ?
3.Margaretha VanBibber b. 11-2-1738 Lancaster Co PA
NO FURTHER DATA, EXCEPT
She is the sister of Capt. John VB that married Chloe Standifer
Could she be the Martha VB that married Swinfield Hill?

DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE WILL OF PETER VAN BIBBER OR HIS WIFE ANNA, MENTIONED ABOVE?
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE PETER DIED?

Thanks group
Barb Locker
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From G. "Mac" McCoy ([email protected])

Well, let's try one more time on my one lone possible VanBibber:
On 27 Feb 1840, Potheny Waggoner married "Wm. Vas binder" which was listed as "Van bibber W" in the courthouse marriage index (Lincoln Co. MO marriage book for Aug 1825 to Feb 1842, pg. 130). Does anyone have information about this couple?
Thanks

G. "Mac" McCoy
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From Lloyd D. Ellis ([email protected])

I am trying to find the relationship of members of the VAN BEBBER and ELLIS families. My father spoke highly of the Van Bebbers but I am not aware of the place or time frame. Here is a brief of the Ellis line:
Welsh. to Chester County, PA 1685, Lancaster Co. 1718-1730. Loudoun Co., VA, Culpepper and Franklin Counties, VA (1760-1800); Sumner Co., TN (ca 1805), Allen Co. KY; Layefette Co., MO (ca 1840); Ellis, Kaufman, Bell and Harris Counties, Texas (1880-1950). Was there an Ernst Van Bebber out there? My grandfathers first name was Ernst and we have no other German or Dutch ancestors that I am aware of.

Any hints will be gladly appreciated.

Lloyd D. Ellis
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From Martha Everman Jones ([email protected])

I am seeking information on Cosby Jane TILLER (TYLER) who married Solomon HENSLEY, c. 1868. Cosby Jane (b. VA) was the daughter of John and
Charlotte TILLER. Solomon, b. 1848, was a descendent of the VAN BIBBER line through Ruth, who married G.W. HENSLEY 1815. Please contact

Martha Jones

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From Bob Lynn ([email protected])

I am seeking ancestors/family of John Van Bibber b. 1793 Kentucky and his wife Martha by 1797 Kentucky (surname unknown). Their children were Absulum Van Bibber b. 1833 in Kentucky, and Mary Van Bibber Hogg b. 1831 in Pope County, Illinois. Absulum Van Bibber d. 31 Dec 1878, Pope County, Illinois. Absulum VB and his wife Frances Dickerson were parents of six children.

Bob Lynn

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From Patricia Lindeman ([email protected])

Ruth Van Bibber-Does anyone have the names of all of Ruth and George W
Hensley's children? Unable to verify the total number of children at this time.
Thank you.

Patricia Lindeman

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From Barbara J. Brothers ([email protected])

I am trying to find out from which Van Bibber I descend. My information:
Esther Van Bibber b. abt 1710 m. 1719 James Rentfroe b. 1698/1710
Children:

1. Hester Renfro
2.James Renfro, Jr.
3.Mary Renfro b. 1736 Virginia d. Coles Creek, Natchez District, Adams
County, Miss. m. abt 1754 James Cole.

Research on Cole family gives Esther's father as Peter. Richard and Teresa Renfro ([email protected]), in July newsletter, skip over Peter Van Bibber and Anna and give Esther's parents as Isaac Jacob Van Bibber and Fronica (Veronica) Schumaker. Which is correct?

FOURTEEN GENERATIONS OF VAN BIBBERS has an Esther as a daughter of Peter
(1695-1769). If this is the same Esther, using these dates and presuming she was the legitimate child of Peter and Anna Gooding, she would have been 13 when she had her third child. But both her birthdate and the marriage date of Peter and Anna G. are approximate. Add 3 or 4 years and time frame doesn't seem as unlikely.

Is Esther the daughter of Peter or the daughter of Isaac.?

BJBrothers
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From Pat Weaver ([email protected])

I am looking for information on William VAN BIBBER who died 1910 in
Oklahoma. His daughter, Margaret Jane VAN BIBBER (1860-1916) married Henry LANGLEY JONES (1881-1911). I would appreciate any information you can give me on any of these families.

Pat Weaver

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Pat ([email protected])

There were two Maryland wills written in Dutch by the Van Bibbers. Does
anyone in the family have copies of these wills? I would sure love to see them & have copies for a family conversation piece.

Thanks!
Steve & Pat - Oregon

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