Van Bibber Pioneers Electronic Newsletter
Volume 3, Number 3 · January 1999
Van Bibber Pioneers Electronic Newsletter
Volume 3, Number 3 · January 1999
Greetings:
I want to thank all the subscribers that sent me material for the newsletter this time. I know this issue is not as long as some past issues, but being pressed for time, it is more that adequate. Moving from one house to another is a just like a new experience for me since we have lived in the same home for twenty-six years. I knew it would take a lot of time to prepare for the move and I was not wrong. It is still an ongoing process.
I wish to convey my condolences to Earl H. Taylor and family. Earl�s wife passed away 18 Jan. 1999. Please see A DEATH IN THE FAMILY in this issue for details.
We now have two hundred and thirty-five subscribers.
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CONTENTS
New Members, Address Changes
Death Of Benge: Follow Up
Ancestry Of Noortje Coomans - Van Bebber
The Van Bibber Tavern
Van Bibber � Worthington Connection
Jesse Van Bebber
A Death In The Family
Success Story
More Yukon Van Bibbers
Queries
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NEW MEMBERS
Kevin Henry ([email protected])
Bradley & Laura Koehn ([email protected])
Beverley Gillihan ([email protected])
Mary E. Beu ([email protected])
Mark Van Bibber ([email protected])
Eldon & Connie Graham ([email protected])
Ann Meadows ([email protected])
ADDRESS CHANGE
Donna Faucheaux ([email protected])
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DEATH OF BENGE: FOLLOW UP
By Steve Turner ([email protected])
and Steve Smith ([email protected])
I have a question regarding an article that a Mr. Steve Smith wrote in the VANBIBBER PIONEERS ELECTRONIC NEWSLETTER, Volume I, Number 4, dated February 1997:
The article was entitled: "THE DEATH OF BENJE." On page 6 of 20, Mr. Steve Smith mentions that a Vincent Hobbs and a John BenBever (VanBebber) observed the wife of Peter BenBever (VanBebber) being taken prisoner by an Indian. My question is, was this the wife of the Peter VanBebber that was married to Ellinor VanBibber (who were first cousins)? The wife of Peter VanBibber, who's name was Marguery Bounds?
Or none of the above??
Please advise.
Steven L. Turner
Vacaville, California
(Descendant from the Liford connection to the VanBebber/VanBibber
family.)
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Steve,
Hi. My email address was slightly off, as you may now observe. The information you request is concerning an article where I was actually quoting from someone else and observing that they did INDEED make an error in this report when they stated that PETER VAN BEBBER's wife was taken prisoner by the Indians. SHE WAS NOT TAKEN HOSTAGE. There was a Mr. Peter LIVINGSTON who was killed and his wife was taken hostage and it was this woman and her family that sent the Powell Valley militia of LEE County, Virginia after the hostile Indians which resulted in the death of "Chief" Robert BENGE. Someone years after this told the story and stated it was
Peter VAN BEBBER's wife who was taken when in reality it was Peter LIVINGSTON's wife who was taken after Mr. LIVINGSTON was killed. John VAN BEBBER, Peter VAN BEBBER, James VAN BEBBER, and George YOAKUM were among the party that went to rescue the women and family and John VAN BEBBER was the man that assisted Vincent HOBBS in successfully ambushing the Indians and killing the two Indians that held the two women hostage. I have a copy of the report filled by Colonel CAMPBELL that was made just after this incident happened in LEE County, Virginia in 1794. It was my efforts while doing this research to track down every available source of the VAN BEBBER in this time frame to prove exactly when they moved further down the Powell Valley to East Tennessee and in my efforts I was not as successful as I had hoped but it seems that they were here at least in the year 1796 and John VAN
BEBBER appears to have come even in the year 1795.
If I may be of further assistance concerning this, please let me know.
Thanks
Steve Smith
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ANCESTRY OF NOORTJE COOMANS - VAN BEBBER
By Jack Coomans ([email protected])
(Note from Jack: Mei is translated to May in English. A quick re-reading the outline shows me some more dutch words. In Generation 1 the words na means after, and the word voor means before (by the dates of death). By the source, stands trouwboeken; they are marriage books.
huwelijken = marriages
geboorten = birth
volkstelling = census
RK DB = Roman Catholic christening book.
In generation 3 at B stands rond that means about.
GAT means municipal archive Tilburg.
RAB means national archive Den Bosch.)
Generation 1
1.
A. Henricus (Hendrik) van Bebber
00 01 mei 1794 Lith 1)
+ na 1817 4)
B.1. Idronella van der Staak 1)
+ voor 1794 1)
B.2. Joanna Maria van Oploo
~ 25 aug 1761 Lith 2)
+ na 1817 4)
C.1. Theodorus
* 28 febr 1796 Lith 4)
~ 28 febr 1796 Lith 3)
x 21 mei 1817 Tilburg 4)
C.2. Jacobus
~ 27 sept 1797 Lith 3)
C.3. Wilhelmina Jacoba
~ 11 febr 1799 Lith 3)
D.1. Norberta van Beurden
* 09 nov 1779 Tilburg 4)
Source:
1. Rijks Archief Den Bosch (RAB) Lith Bijlagen der trouwboeken
1756/1765/1771/1799/1804/1810
2. Db 1728-1757
3. Db 1788-1810
4. Gemeente Archief Tilburg (GAT) BS Huwelijken
Generation 1
2.
A. Hendrik van Bebber
Job : merchant 4)
Generation 2
1.
A. Theodorus van Bebber
* 28 febr 1796 Lith
3)
~ 28 febr 1796 Lith
2)
x 21 mei 1817 Tilburg (11.00uur)
3)
B. Norberta van Beurden
* 09 nov 1779 Tilburg
3)
x Wilhelmus van Asten
3)
xx Theodorus van Bebber
3)
C.1. Johanna Wilhelmina
* 11 sept 1818 Tilburg
4)
+ na 1879
4)
C.2. Hendrikus J.
* 11 sept 1818 Tilburg
4)
C.3. Theodorus
* 22 jan 1822 Tilburg
1)
D.1. Mutsaers
D.2. Maria Anna de Rooy
* rond 1814 Tilburg
4)
D.3. Wilhelmijna Bertens
* rond 1815
1)
Source:
1. GAT BS Geboorten
2. RAB Lith RK Db 1788-1810
3. GAT BS Huwelijken
4. Wil van Bebber (Noortjes father)
Generation 2
2.
A. Theodorus van Bebber
Profession: Bakers-servant
3)
baker
1)
Addrres : Tilburg, West Heikant no 658 (1822)
1)
B. Norberta van Beurden
Profession: Baker
3)
Housewife
1)
C.2. Hendrikus van Bebber
Profession: Grutter (merchant in groats/grits)
4)
Generation 3
1.
A. Theodorus van Bebber
* 22 jan 1822 Tilburg 1)
B. Wilhelmijna Bertens
* rond 1815 2)
C.1. Johannes Norbertus
* 4/5sept 1847 Tilburg (19.00uur) 2)
+ 26 nov 1917 Tilburg 5)
D.1. Maria Elisabeth van Pelt
* 01 juni 1849 Tilburg (19.00uur) 3)
Source:
1. GAT BS Geboorten 1822 24
2. 1847 227
3. 1849 186
4. volkstelling 1870 - 1880
5. mortuary cards
generation 3
2.
A. Theodorus van Bebber
profession: Baker
2)
Address : Tilburg wijk Veldhoven
2)
generation 4
A. Johannes Norbertus van Bebber
* 4/5sept 1847 Tilburg (19.00uur) 4)
+ 26 nov 1917 Tilburg 5)
B. Maria Elisabeth van Pelt
* 01 juni 1849 Tilburg (19.00uur) 3)
C.1. Wilhelmus Theodorus
* 28 okt 1873 Tilburg 1)
+ 11 dec 1875 Tilburg 1)
C.2. Joannes (Jan) Josephus Mathias
* 14 mei 1875 Tilburg 1)
C.3. Wilhelmus (Willem) Theodorus
* 23 nov 1877 Tilburg 2)
+ 20 okt 1953 Mill 2)
C.4. Mattheus (Thieu) Joannes
* 05 dec 1878 Tilburg 1)
+ 18 mrt 1964 Udenhout (St.Felix) 2)
C.5. Louis
C.6. Wilhelmina (Mina) Johanna
* 24 juni 1884 Tilburg 2)
+ 01 juli 1958 Tilburg 2)
C.7. Gustaaf Alphonsus Henricus
* 14 juli 1892 Tilburg 5)
+ 05 mei 1952 Tilburg 5)
D.3. Anna Maria Leuscher
* 16 juli 1877 Wychen 2)
+ 29 nov 1957 Mill 2)
D.5. Jaana van Pelt 6)
D.7. Cordula Apelonia Warnier 5)
Source:
1. GAT volkstelling 1870/80 15/808
2. Mortuary cards
3. GAT BS Geboorten 1849 186
4. GAT BS Geboorten 1847 227
5. GAT BS Collection Mortuary cards
6. Wil van Bebber
generation 4
2.
A. Johannes van Bebber
religion : Roman Catholic
1)
profession: Baker
1)
Address : Tilburg M.665 N'K
1)
B. Maria van Pelt
religion : RC
C.2. Jan van Bebber
profession: Baker
6)
Address : Hoek Postelstr/Wolstr Tilburg (de bakkerij)
6)
not married
C.4. Thieu van Bebber
profession: worksmanager in a zincfactory in Budel
6)
Address : Budel, later living by his brother Louis in Tilburg
later in a old people's home in Udenhout
6)
C.5. Louis van Bebber
profession: butcher
Adrress : Hoek van Hogendorpstr/Kapelstr Tilburg (the butchery)
6)
C.6. Gustave van Bebber
profession: barber
6)
Adres : Gasthuisstraat te Tilburg (the barbershop)
6)
C.7. Mina van Bebber
not married
6)
Address : lived in by her brother Jan
6)
D.6. Cordula Warnier
Born in Hulst (Zeeuws Vlaanderen), after the dead of Gustave she
returned there
6)
Generation 5
1
a. Wilhelmus Theodorus (Willem) van Bebber
* 23 nov 1877 Tilburg
1)
+ 20 nov 1953 Mill
2)
B. Anna Maria Leuscher
* 16 juli 1877 Wychen
2)
+ 29 nov 1957 Mill
2)
C.1. Maria Andrea Joanna Arnoldia (Marie)
* 03 apr 1903 Tilburg
2)
+ 25 jan 1984 Boxmeer
2)
C.2. Andreas Joannes Arnoldus Maria (Dree)
* 11 okt 1904 Tilburg
2)
+ 30 nov 1973 Tilburg
2)
C.3. Huberta Josphina Wilhelmina maria (Beppie)
C.4. Leonie Wilhelmina Maria Elisabeth (Leonie)
* 09 okt 1905 Tilburg
2)
+ 30 nov 1988 Elst
2)
C.5. Sjef
C.6. Thieu
C.7. Arnoldus Mattheus Gerardus
* 13 dec 1910 Tilburg
2)
+ 22 okt 1986 Tilburg
2)
C.8. Agnes
C.9. Jan
D.1. Joannes Antonius Maria Kremers (Jo)
* 22 mei 1904 Mill
2)
+ 30 aug 1951 Mill
2)
D.2. Anna Hendrina (Anna)
* 19 nov 1899 St Hubert (Mill)
3)
+ 27 sept 1988 Tilburg
2)
D.3. Adrianus Martinus Antonius Cuijpers (Jo)
* 02 dec 1911 Tilburg 2)
+ 30 mei 1979 Tilburg
2)
D.4. Antonius ohannes Maria (Antoon) Kremers
* 25 aug 1905 Mill
2)
+ 05 jan 1995 Nijmegen
2)
D.7. Gertruda Anthonia Maria Kremers (Truus)
* 19 okt 1906 Mill
2)
+ 15 spet 1992 Tilburg
2)
D.8. Jan Vloet
D.9. Leny Spijkers
Source:
1. GAT Volkstelling 1870-1880
2. Mortuary Cards
3. Wil van Bebber
Generation 5
The whole van Bebber family was in the resistance during WW II. Sjef van Bebber was executed in the concentration camp at Vught (the netherlands)
Generation 6
Dree van Bebber x Anna Kremers
children : Wil, Constance, Dimph and Matthew
Generation 7
Wil van Bebber x Ria van Doren
children : Marijke, Resi, Josien, Noortje and Marc
Hopefully the layout is international and is quick on the uptake
Jack Coomans
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THE VAN BIBBER TAVERN
By Virginia Del Grande ([email protected])
I have been going through my files and found something that might interest some one out there doing Van Bibber research. I have a picture of an old "Van Bibber Tavern" Will Give a little history on it. The brother of Peter Van Bibber, Isaac Was killed in the battle of Point Pleasant in 1774. He left a widow and four children. John, Peter, Isaac and Rebecca. John and Peter married and settled in Powell's Valley, Tn. Isaac was born in Greenbrier Co. Va., 20 Oct. 1771 and was only about 2 1/2 years old when his father Isaac was killed. He was raised by Daniel Boone. In 1797, he married Susan Elizabeth Hays. In 1800 he came to Missouri with Nathan Boone, and settled in Darst's Bottom. In 1815 he settled at Loutre Lick ( now Mineola, Callaway Co., Mo.) He built a Tavern there and named it "Van Bibber Tavern". Isaac, his wife Susan, three daughters and a son in-law are buried in Loutre Lick Pioneer Cemetery, which was located some distance up on a hill northwest of the Van Bibber Tavern. I am sorry to say, that the Tavern no longer exists.
I would make copies of the picture and send it to any one that might relate back to that line of the family if they were interested.
In part 2 of your December Newsletter, there was an entry from an Iris Van Bibber of Kansas City ( my home town ) and I was wondering if there was some way to get in touch with her. We could be related. Really enjoyed the whole contents of the Newsletter. Looking forward to the next one.
Virginia Del Grande
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VAN BIBBER � WORTHINGTON CONNECTION
By Patrick Worthington ([email protected]) (Non-subscriber)
Identification:
James Van Bibber and Martha Bradburn
Martha was the daughter of James and Sarah (Bradburn) Van Bibber and, according to the 1900 Greenup Co., Census she was born Oct. 1872 (I don't know if this is accurate since her tombstone at Kehoe Cem. has her date as 1868). She married my great great grandfather (his third wife) Finley Worthington 26 October 1896 in Scioto Co., Ohio. Her death, once again according to her tombstone was in 1917. However, I have yet to find her death certificate in Kentucky or Ohio.
She and Finley had one child:
Paul E. Worthington b. 11 May 1900, Kehoe, Greenup co., KY
d. 7 Dec. 1975, Greenup Co., KY
m. 22 Feb. 1923, Greenup Co., KY, Bertha Myrtle Rowland b. 12 Feb. 1905, Morgan Co., KY, d. 22 Dec. 1980, South Shore, Greenup Co., KY
daughter of David and Merinda (Hutchinson) Rowland
Children:
d. 9 July 1990, WV, m. - Anna ______
2. Carl Cebert Worthington, b. 30 Jan. 1925, Kehoe, Greenup Co., KY
m. 3 Aug. 1951, Greenup Co., KY - Helen Margaret Warnock
3. Alice Fern Worthington, b. 11 May 1926, Kehoe, Greenup Co., KY
m. 23 Mar. 1946, Greenup co., KY - Larue O. Wolfe
4. Warren Curtis Worthington, b. 23 July 1927, Kehoe, Greenup Co., KY
d. Apr. 1973, FL, m. 3 June 1950, Greenup co., KY � Betty Damron
5. Benjamin Shannon Worthington, b. 16 Feb. 1929, Kehoe, Greenup Co., KY
6. Martha Lee Worthington, b. 27 Apr. 1931, Kehoe, Greenup Co., KY
m. - Morgan Johnson
7. Paul Donald Worthington, b. 17 Mar. 1933, Kehoe, Greenup Co., KY, d. ?,
m. - Amanda Kolene Fannin
Patrick Worthington
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JESSE VAN BEBBER
By Anna L. Lutz ([email protected])
Jesse (John) Van Bebber was born August 8 1759, Pigg River, Halifax (Pittsylvania) County, Virginia. He was a son of Peter and Margery (Bounds) Van Bebber Jr. The family removed to Botetourt (Greenbrier) County, West Virginia, after 1769, where his father built a blockhouse, on Wolfe Creek. The blockhouse was located near the James Graham Family, now in Summers County, West Virginia. They remained here until about 1781, when the family removed to the western frontier, settling at now Point Pleasant, on the Ohio River. Records for the family can be found in Augusta and Botetourt Counties, Virginia, Greenbrier, Kanawha, and Mason Counties, West Virginia. The Augusta County records show that the Van Bebbers, defended the Lewis Settlement, at Point Pleasant, with the promise of a city lot, if they continued to do so. Jesse Van Bebber married Rachel Greenlee, a daughter of Alexander and Anna (Henry) Greenlee, in 1799, in Gallia Township, Washington (now Gallia) County, Ohio. They had a son Isaac Van Bebber, who died young, and a daughter, Elizabeth, who married (1) Joseph Smith and (2) Richard Tillis.
Several records are found in for Jesse Van Bebber in Greenbrier, Kanawha, and Mason Counties, where he appeared in Court as a witness, jury duty, and surveyor of roads. In the, "Annals of Fort Lee," by Roy Bird Cook, he wrote that, "Jesse, James, Matthias Van Bibber, brothers, and their cousin Isaac Van Bibber, Jr, set out in a canoe for the Mouth of Elk (River at Charleston). On their way back to Point Pleasant, they
stopped overnight at Fort Tackett, (located at now St. Albans), not knowing that the Indians were in waiting to destroy the fort, after they left the fort next day.
Mason County Court Order Book, Dec 5 1818, application of Jonas Smith, for a road to Jesse Van Bebber's on the Rocky Fork Road of Thirteen Mile Creek, and thence to the Public Road on the N. E. bank of the Great Kanawha, near Edward Greenlee. Mason County Court, Oct 19 1819, a road from the Court House to Van Bibber's Bridge (Thirteen Mile Creek). In 1797, Kanawha County Court Record Book, Jesse Van Bebber, and his brother, James, were granted Letters of Administration for their father's estate. His father, Peter Van Bebber, died on Oct 10 1796, at Point Pleasant.
Jesse Van Bebber, served in the Kanawha County Rangers, under command of Hugh Caperton. In the late 1700s, the Rangers served up and down the Kanawha Valley, protecting the settler's from Indian attack. When Fort Lee (Charleston), was founded, the Rangers were hired as scouts and messengers. A Ranger, was the last man to be killed by Indians, in Kanawha Valley. Jesse, was appointed Captain in the Virginia Militia, and served until 1808, when he resigned his commission. He owned a farm at the Mouth of
Thirteen Mile Creek, Van Bibber, (now Union) District, Mason County, where he died on April 10 1852. His widow Rachel (Greenlee) Van Bebber, received a pension for his services from the State of Virginia. She lived with her daughter, Elizabeth Tillis, till her death. Jesse and Rachel Van Bebber and their son, Isaac, were buried in Van Bebber-Smith Cemetery, on his farm, the cemetery is now destroyed. A NSDAR Marker was place on his grave for his services in the 1774, Battle of Point Pleasant, serving in the Southern Division, under Col. Charles Lewis.
Anna L. Lutz
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A DEATH IN THE FAMILY
By Earl H. Taylor ([email protected])
Identification:
Isaac Van Bibber-Hester op den Graeff
Jacob Isaac VB-Christina
Isaac Jacob VB-Frances Schumacher
Peter VB-Anna
Peter VB Jr-Marguery Bounds
Jacob VB-Sarah Miller
Soloman VB-Jane Bryson
Noah Bryson VB-Elizabeth Ann Carter
William Lee VB - Sarah Jane Currens
Harold VB- Mary Etta Williams
Mary Evelyn Van Bibber- Earl Taylor
Mary Evelyn Van Bibber was born in Rockville, Mo. Mar 28, 1925. She was married in Las Vegas NV Feb 3 1941. She died 18 Jan, 1999 in Pomona CA.
To all my many friends on the Internet and Family Assns:
My wife of 58 years, Mary Evelyn Van Bibber Taylor passed away yesterday, Jan 18, 1999 at Pomona Valley Hospital in Pomona, Los Angeles, CA at 8AM. on our daughter's birthday. She leaves behind Earl H Taylor, her husband, Son James Taylor, her daughter Joyce Lee Taylor Young. She left five grandchildren and five gr grandchildren. She died
of Congestive Heart Disease and complications of Alzheimer�s Disease.
Interment will be at Veterans Memorial Cemetery in Riverside CA
Earl H Taylor
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SUCCESS STORY
By David J. Brown ([email protected])
And Kala Smith ([email protected])
Dear Kala!
At last! I recently got started with the Van Bibber newsletter and Bruce Logan sent me a copy of your message to him and asked if I could help.
I'm just getting started with this E-mail and still haven't learned how to attach a separate document to a message, although I have recently learned how to attach photos. As soon as I learn, (and maybe I will use messages to you to learn), I will get whatever I have to you.
When I was a little kid, living in St. Paul and Winona Minnesota, my great-uncle, Ira Van Bibber visited us. He, great-uncle Jim, and a man named Stanley Williams, came together. Uncle Ira was very special for me. He took the time to tell me stories about the Yukon which thrilled a little city kid. My mother encouraged me to write to him when he returned home, which I did. We exchanged many letters, one of which I still have. He
visited us again when I was in what we called junior high school.
Everything just clicked between us. Again, he and I would walk together and he would tell his wonderful stories. He gave me a pair of beaded moccasins that Aunt Shorty, as he called her, had made. I wore them everywhere until they wore out! What a loss! That was the last time I saw him. Our family was devastated when we received word that he had died in 1965.
Since that time I've been in correspondence with many members of your family and have met several.
When I was a little kid, we lived for a while with my Grandma, Lucy Van Bibber Brown, Uncle Ira's oldest sister. I spent a lot of time with Grandma and she would tell me family stories about "old time Van Bibbers". They were fascinating, pioneer stories to a kid. Years later, in college, I took a course about the western migration in the United
States. I had to write a term paper and decided to see what I could learn about the Van Bibbers and their travels. I went to the Minnesota Historical Museum and checked out their library. I found several books about West Virginia history. I checked each index for "Van Bibber" and found several. I started reading some of the books and found that
Grandma's stories were true! I was hooked, I'll tell you!
By the time I had finished the books and talked it over with my Dad, I knew a lot about Van Bibber history. And I got a pretty good grade on my term paper. So, over the years I corresponded with many people, learning more and more. I located two people that knew more about Van Bibbers than anyone else at the time. One was James Karl Van Bibber of Phoenix, Arizona, now dead for several years, and Anna Lutz of Dunbar West
Virginia, still alive and a very interesting person.
Over the years I learned more and more and was able to locate and to draw charts of the family. I took courses in genealogy and ultimately got involved with computers and have used them for several years.
I found that I had to establish a goal for myself, because chasing all of the Van Bibber history is too great a task. I knew that many capable researchers were working on the old time Van Bibbers. I also knew that there was not a lot known about later Van Bibbers. I decided to select one middle period Van Bibber and determine his descendants down to my generation. Now this had to be charted manually. There were not many
copy makers in those days, no computers. Copy makers were just becoming popular. I found that by using a large sheet of paper, a desk pad with 1/4 inch squares, that I could draw charts with five generations, then reduced them in size to standard stationery. Five generations would bring me up to my great grandfather, also named David, David Campbell Robinson Van Bibber. My Dad, David John Brown, was named after him.
Dad, born in 1885, remembered the elder David when he was very young. His memory was of the body of the old gentleman being laid out in the family parlor before burial! David C. R. was born in 1799! In our line, David's son, John Campbell Robinson Van Bibber, was next. Then, for you, John's son, Ira Van Bibber. And for me, John's daughter, my Grandma Lucy Van Bibber Brown.
OK, now to your questions. The CBC video. I have a copy. I will try to make a copy and get it to you. For that I will have to know your mailing address.
Bruce said that you had some questions that I might be able to help with, so send them to me and I'll do my best. Tell me something about yourself.
Archie, and Jessie have been sending me Christmas cards and family pictures for several years, but I don't have any pictures of you!
Waiting to hear from you,
Your cousin,
Dave or Bus or Buster, as I was known by Uncle Ira and still am by my family.
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MORE YUKON VAN BIBBERS
By Kala Smith ([email protected])
Bruce,
Sorry for not replying to you sooner, but I haven't been at this location for awhile and I have just received all your emails.
My maiden name is Kala Craft. My mother is Ruby Van Bibber, my grandparents
Archie and Jessie (Pootlass) Van Bibber. I also have one older sister her name is Tina Dickson, she has never been married that is her maiden name. Her father is Lawrence Dickson and my father is Richard Craft. My mother married and divorced Lawrence Dickson. I also had a brother but he died when he was just an infant. It was before my time. His name was Archie Richard Alexander Craft "Baby Ricky". I hope that this helps you.
I would also like to have a copy of that CBC production if possible. I asked my grandfather, Archie, if he has every seen it or heard of it and he said no but he would like a copy if possible. Or if you know how I can get a copy of it I would appreciate it. Thank you.
I have been talking a little more to my grandfather about his history and this is what I have come up with:
Grandpa Archie Van Bibber's History:
Grandpa was born by Mica Creek, Pelly Crossing on July 4th, 1914. He was the 5th of 14 children born to Ira and Eliza Van Bibber (Alice). The names of all fourteen children are Leta, May, Abe (Deceased), Dan, Archie, Alex, Helen (Deceased), John (JJ), Patrick, Kathleen, Lucy, George (Deceased), Lynch and Dode.
John and Lucy Van Bibber came over to America and landed in Jamestown, Pennsylvania. They had 9 children, Theodore, Jim, Pat, Ira, George, Bill, Jenny, Lucy and the one more girl, name unknown. Theodore and Ira came to the Yukon during the Gold Rush in 1898. They came over the Chilkoot Pass and carried whisky over for a man that had a business in Dawson. Jim came to the Yukon a few years later. Ira stayed and married Grandma Eliza. They spent three years on the Nahanni River along with 15 year old cousin Tommy Joe and oldest children Leta and May who were born at Ross Lakes. Theodore went on to Alaska and married there. Jim went back to America to look after
John and Lucy in their golden age. Both John and Lucy are buried in Sahalis, Washington. When Jim's mother and father passed away he came back up to the Yukon to live with Ira and his family. He stayed one year and went back to Washington to sell his property so he could come back to the Yukon. But died in a truck accident. (He fell off the truck and the truck ran him over.)
Eliza Alice � Van Bibber
Tlingit � Taku Juneau area
Granddaughter of Chief Conone, her mother Alice was the daughter of Chief Conone and one of the five wives of Chief Jackson, Eliza's father. Eliza was born in the Aishihik Lake area � in the early 1880's.
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Thank you for all that information, my grandpa wasn't sure when or where for sure his grandparents came to America. I forgot another part of my grandfather's history, he does have another daughter that lives in Agassi, B.C. He was married to another woman before Jessie and he had one girl from her. His daughter's name is Marcie Peters and she has one girl named Joan.
Joan has two children one girl and one boy I think, I'll have to ask my grandpa. But you can add this to the chart that you have. We've only been in touch with my auntie Marcie since 1996 I think. I sure this is when my mom found her.
I hope that this will help you in filling out the chart that you have, I find out the name of his first wife and the names of the great grandchildren.
Kala Smith
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Isaac Van Bibber and the S.H. Long Expedition
By Mary M. Ferm ([email protected])
Here is the account from the scientific expedition that stayed with Isaac Van Bibber. I can't at the moment find a genealogy descent chart for Isaac. It might help to identify him more precisely.
The following account brings a wonderful picture to my mind�s eye, of an old settler confronting a group of scientist explorers.
In 1818-1820 a scientific and military expedition under Major Long and Col.
Henry Atkinson explored some of the new western territories of the United States. In June 1819 the scientific branch arrived in St. Louis and started up the Missouri. The following account, from a journal written by Edwin James, describes an encounter between the expedition and Isaac Van Bibber, of Loutre Lick, MO. This was the Isaac Van Bibber whose father had been killed at the Battle of Point Pleasant, and who was brought up in Daniel Boone�s family. In 1800 he moved to Missouri, and in 1815 settled at Loutre Lick, where the present village of Mineola, Montgomery Co., MO now
stands.
( "Early Western Travels 1748-1846; Vol. 15 "From Pittsburgh to the Rocky Mountains, James�s Account of S.H. Long�s Expedition" p 174-6,)
Near Van Babber�s, where we arrived a little before sunset on the 6th (June), there is, in the middle of the creek, a large brine spring. Over this has been placed a section of the hollow trunk of a tree, to prevent the intermixture of the fresh water of the creek�
Perceiving�indications of fossil coal, lead, and other minerals here, as were known to exist in the same range of country on the other side of the Missouri, we listened with credulity which seemed rather to disappoint and surprise our host, to his account of the phenomena that had appeared from time to time in his neighbourhood. The combustion of a coalbed, or the decomposition of a mass of pyrites, has, we believe, given rise to many
more astonishing stories than he related. He gave an account of several luminous appearances that had been seen at the breaking up of winter, or in unusually rainy seasons, or at other times of the year. These had been witnessed by many persons of
unquestionable veracity; but so great had been their terror on the occasion, that they could never afterwards recollect the precise spot where the light had appeared to them. He told us of two itinerant preachers, who had encountered an indescribable phenomenon, at a place about nine miles east of Loutre lick. As they were riding side by side at a late hour in the evening, one of them requested the other to observe a ball of fire
attached to the end of his whip. No sooner was his attention directed to this object, than a similar one began to appear on the other end of the whip. In a moment afterwards, their horses and all objects near them were enveloped in wreaths of flame. By this time the minds of the itinerant preachers were so much confounded, that they were no longer capable of observation, and could therefore give no further account of what happened.
He also stated as a fact, authenticated by many credible witnesses, that a very considerable tract of land near by, had been seen to send up vast volumes of smoke through the covering of a coal-pit. This had in one instance been witnessed by a son of the celebrated Col. Boon (sic), and was at first mistaken for a prairie on fire. This phenomenon also occurs at the breaking up of winter, or at such seasons as the earth is drenched by uncommon quantities of rain."
"Within a few miles of the lick, are eight or nine rude furnaces, disposed in the direction of a straight line, extending about two miles. He stated, that it was not known by whom, or when they were built, nor could it be ascertained for what purpose�We regarded all these accounts, and many others of a similar character, as a sort of traditionary evidence
of the accidental discovery, at some former time, or lead, coal, or pyrites; and that this discovery, by the ignorance and credulity of the people, had been magnified into an object, to which they had at length learned to ascribe a mysterious and indefinite importance."
Mary Ferm
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QUERIES
From Donna Faucheaux ([email protected])
Hi Bruce,
While going through some data I received this weekend. I came across a VAN BIBBER and am curious if you know who she is?
George VAN BIBBER & Lemmie ______
Lovie VAN BIBBER & Walter Ray SKAGGS
I know that Walter was born Mar 6 1900 in Sparks, Nicholas County, WV. I have no information on Lovie VAN BIBBER. Not much to work on, is it?
Thanks, Donna
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From Beverley Gillihan ([email protected])
I'm trying to find some mention of Martha Van Bibber Sutton ever being held by Indians. My mother-in-law swears it happened but...............
I'm looking forward to getting the newsletter. You are doing a great job.
Beverley Gillihan
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From Mary E. Beu ([email protected])
The Van Bibber line intrigues me also, as I don't have much of it! I have the marriage cert. (copy) of Merritt and Mary Axtell. They forgot to cross the t's when they wrote his name! Their daughter Mary Susan married Harlem Wilson Keen who died in 1896. She remarried to a man named Morford in about 1898. My Mother was born in 1902 and never knew her by any other name than Morford! So my mother had to do a lot of questioning to find out she had also been her Grandma Keen! I also believe Merritt was the son of Isaac Van Bibber and Maria ___________?
Mary E. Beu
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From David and Jayne Chafin ([email protected])
Greetings! New to the list, I am curious if anyone has a connection with Elijah Johnson (born VA 1801, died KY ca 1885) who married Priscilla VanBibber 6 July 1832 in (Lawrence) KY (she was born 1812 in KY, died ca. 1885. I am descended through their son John, who md. Minerva Slone ca. 1854.
Any info or questions will be answered gratefully!
David & Jayne Chafin
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From Andy VanBebber ([email protected])
I am trying to find out why and/or when the VanBebber VanBibber split came. Could you put this in the newsletter so I could find something out?
Thanks.
Andy VanBebber
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