Van Bibber Pioneers Electronic Newsletter
Volume 3, Number 9   ·   July 1999

Greetings:

We are well into a long hot summer and I hope this newsletter and its contents will make you forget the heat, at least for a while.

Please be sure to check out the web sites listed at in the section of the newsletter entitled Web Pages. The second part of the article, by Glenn Wayne Miller, "The Transfiguration of the Windows" concerning the op den Graeff "Stained Glass Windows" is at Kevin L. Sholders web page. You may also subscribe to the Original 13 e-mail discussion list at this web page.

We now have two hundred and sixty subscribers.

The editor reserves the right to edit contributions to the newsletter.

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CONTENTS

The Name�s The Same

Ten Cate � Van Bibber Connection

Additional Thoughts On The Dutch Van Bibber Family

Follow Up To The Question Of The Van Bibber Will In The Dutch Language

Merritt Van Bibber�s Cemetery

Descendant Tree For Herman Op Den Graff

Success Story

Descendants Of Isaac Van Bibber

Tillis And Van Bibber Connection

A Story About Marshall Van Bibber

Van Bebber Funeral

Follow Up To The Van Bebber Funeral

Web Pages

Queries

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NEW MEMBERS

Elizabeth Baker ([email protected])

Robert Wagner ([email protected])

Lynne King ([email protected])

Jennifer Tillis Moran ([email protected])

Daniel R. Van Bibber ([email protected])

CHANGE OF ADDRESS

Kathleen O'kelley ([email protected])

Tony Popp ([email protected])

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THE NAME�S THE SAME: Your Ancestors may NOT be where you think they should be!

By Susan Bidwell Willaims (Non-subscriber) ([email protected])

This article originally appeared in the May-Summer 1995 issue of the Arizona Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society. Author: Susan Bidwell Williams.

Sources: ca 1992 printing of Ohio County Maps by Thomas Publications, Ltd of Lydon Station, WI & Ohio Atlas & Gazetteer published 1989 by DeLorme Mapping of Freeport, ME.

Permission granted to reproduce this article for non-profit use only.

Susan Bidwell Williams P O Box 1584 Gilbert AZ 85299

email [email protected] 20 June 1999.

THE NAME�S THE SAME: Your Ancestors may NOT be where you think they should be!

One of the puzzles incurred when looking for Ohio ancestors is the fact that Ohio used (and uses) the same name for many communities, and some towns appear clear across the State from the "logical" location.

My favorite examples are that Shelby OH is not in Shelby County (it�s in Richland County); Franklin OH is not in Franklin County (it�s in Warren County) and Warren OH is not in Warren County (it�s in Trumbull County).

To make matters worse, the above examples are modern examples - some duplicate towns have now disappeared. There was once a BERLIN in Delaware County listed in the 1850 Census (now covered by the Alum Creek Reservoir). To an Ohio-born person, this is confusing enough; if you�ve never been to Ohio and are trying to find an "illusive" someone, you might be looking in the wrong place!

Charlestown Portage

Petersburg Jackson, Mahoning

To further confuse the researcher a town with same name as a County, isn�t always located within that County.

The OH town name,same as a County Look in this County

Susan Williams

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TEN CATE � VAN BIBBER CONNECTION

By Flip ten Cate ([email protected])

I received your reply, and that of your (Dutch) subscriber as well. I'm sorry I didn't realize that you are American (or English?).

I return this message from my personal, instead of my professional, e-mail address.

I got back to my files and family-histories, and this is what they came up with, regarding the Van Bebbers:

Abraham ten Cate, born in Borne ca 1615, dec. Enschede ca 1666, son of Hendrik Gerritsz ten Cate and Hendrikje Jansdr., married in Zwolle, Jan. 1647, Trijntje van Bebber, dr. of Abraham Simonsz van Bebber. She remarried the merchant Hendrik Andriesz van Lochem.

His niece, Geertje ten Cate (dr of Berend Hendriksz ten Cate), married (in Zwolle, July 1647) her brother Jurriaan Abrahamsz van Bebber.

In the book �De Familie Ten C(K)ate uit Borne�, by C.L. ten Cate (Utrecht, 1986) is an article about the family Van Bebber.

It states that Trijntje and Jurriaan van Bebber (both Mennonites, as were the Ten Cates) are children from Abraham Simons (van Bebber), living in Zwolle, in the �Smeen�. He became 11 Feb. 1629 citizen of Zwolle. He was a chamois-leather maker and came from the Gulick surroundings (Germany). In Krefel is a tiny village called �Bebber�.

The book states that these are the only Van Bebbers in Zwolle - but there is an Elisabeth van Bebber (Dordrecht 1644-The Hague 1704) who married the very wealthy merchant Johan Diercques from Middelburg - he lived a wealthy life in Amsterdam.

Some Catherina van Bebber was married with Jan Luyckens (or Luyx) from Enschede when she sold some property in 1680 to Teunis ten Cate. She lived in Borne, where she is mentioned as a widow in 1684.

Some Samuel Pennypacker wrote a genealogy on the Van Bebber-family, which is now kept in the Mennonite Library of the University of Amsterdam. Lots of them emigrated to the United States where they became the first members of the Mennonite Church of William Penn.

In the Van Blijdenstein-family archives are some letters from Hester van Bebber in Pennsylvania, d.d. 1738. Her niece, Maria van Bebber (dr of Huibert van Bebber and Maria de Veer) married 8 Nov. 1761 in Utrecht with Jan Blijdenstein.

I think I once noticed a coat of arms of the Van Bebbers in the Amsterdam Archives - but I am not sure anymore. It must have been years ago, but I think to recall that is pictures an upright deer. If this sounds familiar, I would very much like to hear it, because my own family bears the same coat-of-arms.

This is everything I know of the Van Bebbers. I�d appreciate it if you could tell me anything at all of the origins of the Van Bebber family.

Flip ten Cate

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ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THE DUTCH VAN BIBBER FAMILY

By Anna L. Lutz ([email protected])

I think that with Jack, and now Flip ten Cate, you have two persons, who can help with the VBs in Holland. I once had a letter of James K. Van Bibber, Jr, written in the 40s asking about Van Bibbers in Holland, with very little success. So far all research there seems to have little or no information for this family in Holland. Here Flip, turns up the most information, that I have ever seen so far. (Flip must be Philip)

If Abraham Simons Van Bebber, came from area surrounding Gulick (Germany). The Village of Bebber was in Duchy of Cleves. This may lead to the origin of Isaac Van Bebber, who married Hester op den Graeff, that is if Abraham, can be proved, he is a near relative of Isaac.

We now have Abraham Simons Van Bebber, with a daughter, Trijinje (Catherine) Van Bebber, who married Abraham ten Cate, and a son, Jurrian Abrahams Van Bebber, who married Geertje ten Cate (Gertrude ?), a niece of Abraham ten Cate. The odds do seem, that we may have a ten Cate direct line somewhere, with the mentioned Coat-of-Arms, in Flip's family.

The Coat-Of-Arms for Hendrick Van Bebber, was a picture of a Coffee Bag, he being a coffee merchant. Like Flip, I think I once saw another with a standing deer, not sure now.

Re: Catherine Van Bebber, who married Jan Luyckens (Loux), this sounds like Jan Luckens, Original Germantown Settlers. Wouldn't that be something for their descendants to play around with?

The Van Blydenstein Family intermarried with the family of Hendrick Jacobs Van Bebber, (son of Jacob Isaacs Van Bebber), and Huibert, is Henrick's son, who remained in Holland. We had this before with Huibert's marriage to Maria de Veer. Their daughter marriage to Jan Blydenstein.

Anna L. Lutz
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FOLLOW UP TO THE QUESTION OF THE VAN BIBBER WILL IN THE DUTCH LANGUAGE

By Earl K. Harvey ([email protected])

Matthias, brother of Henry and Isaac. From "History of Cecil County, Maryland" by Geo. Johnston, page 188 (published in 1881) indicates his will proved in 1739 (in Cecil Co). Possibly someone near or in Cecil Co could check...if not there, the archives at Annapolis, MD.

I'm about 3000 miles too far away to check.

Earl Harvey

ps same paragraph indicates Matt's brother Henry's Will written in Utrecht, Holland was found, or a translation of same found, in the records of the Orphans Court of Cecil County, MD.

Earl K. Harvey

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MERRITT VAN BIBBER�S CEMETERY

By Mary E. Beau ([email protected])

E-mail of 7 July 1999

A couple of weeks ago I was in Tipton, Indiana....went to the Old cemetery where Merritt Van Bibber is buried. It is in really bad shape....to the point, Merritt's stone was still in the ground.......no others around his. The remainder have been overturned, broken, thrown around.....but the grass has been mowed......Duh! What is wrong here? It was really a shame to see. I think the cemetery is on Hwy #31...corner of the Flamingo
Motel (still there).

Just thought you might be interested!

Liz
Mary E. Beau

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E-mail of 8 July 1999

The only thing on the stone is the following:
MERRITT VANBIBBER
BORN AUG 22, 1820

I have a copy of information from the Tipton, Co. Library regarding the VanBibber Family. When I recently was in the area we went to the cemetery with our camera only to find the cemetery in very poor condition with only one VB stone standing, being that of Merritt.

The Library account includes the following:
Merritt VanBibber- b. Aug 22, 1820 d Dec 12,1895, buried-Center Grove Cemetery,
Father-Isaac, Mother-Maria b 1793 d mar 24, 1866 buried Center Grove Cemetery,
Wife-Mary Axtell b May 8,1825 d Aug 30, 1876, aged 51yrs 3mo22d, Buried Center Grove Cemetery; # 2 Wife- Mrs. Naomi (Lakey) Weisner b 1842 ,married Nov. 23, 1879. She married Alonzo Greenlee June 6, 1881

Merritt and Mary Axtell had 10 children:
Lincoln S. b Feb 20, 1861 d Dec 31, 1863 -Center Grove
Al____n, infant dau. d Feb.1861- Center Grove
Neossia Valley b. 1866 m Caddie Hayworth(b.1868) Tipton Co Nov. 27, 1842
Marcus b Windfall, April 13,1853 d Sept 12. 1928, m Mary Malissa Grishow,(b Mar 14, 1853, d Aug 20 1900) Tipton Co., Jan 18 1887.(5children).

Marcus m#2 Eva Arbuckle April 22, 1903. Marcus and Mary are buried in Fairview Cemetery:
Taylor b 1848 m Sarah C. Goodnight (b1848) Tipton Co. Sept. 13,1871
Dayton b. Oct. 10, 1857 d. Aug 31, 1932 m#1 Charlene Haiti, #2Rosalthea Seagraves
m May 23, 1916 Howard Co.
Emma J b 1862 m Oct. 18, 1878 Solomon Lida (Lydy) b 1852
Madison b 1845
Maria E. b 1846
Harriet b 1851 m in Tipton Co Jan 7, 1872 to James Walters
Mary S. (Susan) b. 1854 m Tipton Co. Dec. 24, 1873 to Harlem W. Keen b 1841
John F b 1856
William b 1857

Mary E. Beu

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DECENDANT TREE FOR HERMAN OP DEN GRAFF

By Robin B. Kornides (Non Subscriber) ([email protected])

Here's an abbreviated outline descendant tree for Herman Isaaks OpdenGraff and his Van Bebber wives... notice the tangle of Haldemans in the later generations. The asterisks indicate my 5th g-grandparents. :)

More generations of OpdenGraff/Updegrove are posted at my FTM page:

http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/o/r/Robin-B-Kornides/

Robin

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Descendants of Herman Isaaks OpdenGraff

1 Herman Isaaks OpdenGraff b: Abt. 1642 Krefeld Germany d: Nov 7, 1708 Delaware
..+Lisbet Van Bebber b: Abt. 1645 d: 1684
.. 2 Margaret Updegrove b: Abt. 1667 d: Abt. 1748
.....+Peter Schumacher
.. 2 Elizabeth Updegrove b: Abt. 1682 d: Bef. Apr 1711
.....+Peter Bon
......3 Anna Bon b: Bef. Apr 1710
......3 Herman Bon b: Abt. Dec 1710
*2nd Wife of Herman Isaaks OpdenGraff:
..+Deborah Van Bebber b: Abt. 1660 m: Abt. 1690 d: 1727
.. 2 Syltge(Psyche) Updegrove b: Abt. 1690 PA d: Abt. 1742
.....+Jan Krey b: Abt. 1677 Kriegsheim Germany d: Abt. Mar 1719/20
......3 Debora Krey b: Abt. 1711
........+Jacob Oberholtzer m: Abt. 1728 d: Abt. Sep 1759
......3 Susanna Krey b: Abt. 1713
......3 Catharine Krey b: 1715 Philadelphia PA d: Mar 12, 1807
........+Christian Haldeman b: Nov 23, 1715 Switzerland d: Nov 23, 1800
.........4 Deborah Haldeman b: Bef. 1738
...........+Jacob Landis
.........4 John Haldeman b: 1738 Lower Salford, Montgomery, PA
...........+Mary ?
.........4 Jacob Haldeman b: Bet. 1739 - 1743
**.......4 Christian Haldeman b: May 11, 1744 L Salford PA d: Jul 6, 1833
...........+Magdalena Kolb Fried b: Dec 24, 1749 m: Apr 14, 1768 d: Feb 28, 1837
.........4 Nicholas Krey Haldeman b: Bet. 1746 - 1749
.........4 Henry Krey Haldeman b: Abt. 1760
......3 John Krey b: Abt. 1717
........+Magdalena Haldeman
.. *2nd Husband of Syltge(Psyche) Updegrove:
....+Hubert Cassel b: Abt. 1687 Germany m: Abt. 1721 d: 1745
.....3 Abraham Cassel b: Jul 31, 1728
.....3 Henry Cassel b: Aft. 1728 d: 1812
.....3 Elizabeth Cassel b: Abt. 1723
.......+Nicholas Haldeman b: 1718 d: Aft. 1797
.....3 Julius(Yelles) Cassel b: Mar 30, 1722 PA
.. 2 Isaac OpdenGraff b: Abt. 1693 Germantown, PA d: Abt. 1747

Robin B. Kornides

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SUCCESS STORY

Peggy Mayfield (lmayfield#stlnet.com)

The Original 13 Germantown Settlers

Robin,

I have that Debra van Bebber married Herman Op den Graeff on May 7, 1691, in
Germantown. Herman passed away on May 2, 1704. After that date, but before 1711, Debra married Dirck Keyser. Unfortunately I have no documents to back up these three dates. All of this information I have received from other researchers.

What children and birth dates do you have for Debra and Herman? I have 4 children.

Peggy
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The Original 13 Germantown Settlers

This should help.

1. Herman Isacks Op Den Graeff born 1642, (son of Isaac Hermans Op Den Graeff and Greietjen Pieters), married (1) in Krefeld, Germany, Lisbet Isaacs Van Bebber, born 1643, Krefeld, Germany, (daughter of Jacob Isaac Van Bebber and Christina (?) Van Bebber) died 1684, Pennsylvania, married (2) in Krefeld, Germany, Deborah Van Bebber, born 1660, (daughter of Jacob Isaac Van Bebber and Christina (?) Van Bebber) died 1701, Kent Co, DE. Herman died 1708, Kent Co, DE.
Lisbet: Also known as "Elizabeth" in some sources.
Children by Lisbet Isaacs Van Bebber:
+ 2. i Margaretha Updegrave born 1667.
3. ii Elizabeth Updegrave married Peter Bon.
Children by Deborah Van Bebber:
+ 4. iii Syltge Op Den Graeff born 1685.
5. iv Isaac Op Den Graeff born 1693, Germantown,
Philadelphia Co, PA, died 1747. Birth year could be 1695?

Second Generation

2. Margaretha Updegrave (1.Herman) born 1667, Krefeld, Germany, married 6 Feb 1697, in Abington, Montgomery Co, PA, Peter Shoemaker, born 1652, Krisheim, Palatinate, (son of Peter Schumacher and Sarah Hendricks) died 1 Mar 1741, Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA. Margaretha died 14 Jul 1748, Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA. Also known as "Margaret" in some sources. Month of death could be September?
Children:
6. i Sarah Shoemaker born 22 May 1698, Bristol Twp, Bucks Co, PA, died 1765, Bristol Twp, Bucks Co, PA.
7. ii Mary Shoemaker born 15 Jul 1701, Germantown,
Philadelphia Co, PA.
8. iii Margaret Shoemaker born 8 Jun 1704,
Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA.
9. iv Peter Shoemaker born 9 Aug 1706, Germantown,
Philadelphia Co, PA.
10. v Daniel Shoemaker born 14 Nov 1707,
Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA, died 1741.
11. vi Isaac Shoemaker born 15 Nov 1711,
Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA.
12. vii Elizabeth Shoemaker born 6 Nov 1713,
Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA.
13. viii Agnes Shoemaker born 9 Mar 1716, Germantown,
Philadelphia Co, PA.
14. ix John Shoemaker born 30 Jun 1718, Germantown,
Philadelphia Co, PA.
15. x Samuel Shoemaker born 13 Oct 1720,
Germantown, Philadelphia Co, PA, died 1741.

4. Syltge Op Den Graeff (1.Herman) born 1685, married (1) Jan Krey, born 1677, Kriegsheim, Germany, died 1720, married (2) Hubert Cassel. Birth year could be 1695?
Children by Jan Krey:
16. i Debora Krey born 1711.
17. ii Susanna Krey born 1713.
+ 18. iii Catharine Krey born 1715.
19. iv John Krey born 1717.

Third Generation

18. Catharine Krey (4.Syltge2, 1.Herman1) born 1715, Philadelphia, Philadelphia Co, PA, married Christian Haldeman, born 23 Nov 1715, Switzerland, died 23 Nov 1800, Lower Salford Twp, Montgomery Co, PA. Catharine died 12 Mar 1807, Lower Salford Twp, Montgomery Co, PA.
Children:
20. i Deborah Haldeman married Jacob Landis.
21. ii John Haldeman born 1738, Salford Twp,
Montgomery Co, PA, married Mary (?) Haldeman.
22. iii Jacob Haldeman born 1739, died 1743.
23. iv Christian Haldeman born 11 May 1744, Lower
Salford Twp, Montgomery Co, PA, married 14 Apr 1768, Magdalena Kolb Fried,
born 24 Dec 1749, died 28 Feb 1837.
24. v Nicholas Krey Haldeman born 1746, died 1749.
25. vi Henry Krey Haldeman.


Kevin L. Sholder

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DESCENDANTS OF ISAAC VAN BIBBER

By Earl K. Harvey ([email protected])

On Mar 28, 1999 to the Orig 13 List you contributed much info on the Arnold Schumacher line. This was most informative. In your listing in generation #5 which has wandered into the Van Bebbers the paragraph: Isaac Michael(5)Van Bibber born abt 1724 in Cecil Co MD and died 10 Oct 1774 married Sarah Davis.......then listed are their children:

i Peter Van Bibber m. Sarah Yokcome

ii Rebecca Van Bibber

iii Margaret Van Bibber b 1754 d 1794

iv James Van Bibber b abt 1768 VA d abt 1834

v Isaac Michael Van Bibber 20Oct 1771, Greebrier Co., VA d. 30Sep 1840

I show a 6th child (my wife's line) that being one John Van Bebber who married Margaret Chrisman. Do you show this John VB who married Margaret Chrisman having different parents? I am attaching Isaac's page from my FTM program. Let me know what you think.

Best regards,

Earl Harvey

Descendants of Isaac Van Bibber

Generation No. 1

1. ISAAC⁵ VAN BIBBER (PETER⁴ VAN BEBBER, ISAAC JACOB³, JACOB ISAACS², ISAAC JACOBS¹) was born February 02, 1724/25 in Nr Baltimore, MD, and died October 10/11, 1774 in Pt Pleasant, WV, USA. He married SARAH DAVIS. She was born Abt. 1730 in North Carolina, and died 1790 in Virginia.

Children of ISAAC VAN BIBBER and SARAH DAVIS are:

Earl Harvey

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TILLIS AND VAN BIBBER CONNECTION

By Anna L. Lutz ([email protected])

Isaac and Hester up den Graeff Van Bebber
Jacob Isaacs and Christina Van Bebber
Isaac Jacobs and Frances Schumacher Van Bebber
Peter and Anna Van Bebber
Peter and Margery Bounds Van Bebber
Jesse (John) and Rachel Greenlee Van Bebber
Richard and Elizabeth G. Van Bebber Tillis
Clark and Eleanor Pontsler Tillis
Lewis Grant and Emily Jane Tillis

Lewis Grant Tillis, was born April 21 1863, Mason County, WV, died August 02 1889, and is buried in Tillis Cemetery, Tribble Road, near Arbuckle, Mason County, WV. He was married to Emily Jane Sayre, born August 7 1862, Mason County, WV, died April 17 1944, Charleston, Kanawha County, WV, and is buried in Tillis Cemetery. She was the daughter of William Henry and Charity Mullinex Sayre.

Their children:
Floyd Gilman Tillis, born Nov 25 1883, Mason County, WV, died Jan 2 1980, Charleston, Kanawha County, WV. He married (1) Stella Frances Melton, (2) Sinia Pearl Cavender.
Sarah Margaret Tillis, born 1885, Mason County, WV, died about 1891, Mason County, WV.
George William Tillis, born Nov 13 1887, Mason County, WV, died in Charleston, Kanawha County, WV. He married Geneva Susan Thomas.
Lewis Grant Tillis, Jr, born Oct 27 1889, Mason County, WV. died Sept 04 1943, in Charleston, Kanawha County, WV buried Spring Hill Cemetery, Charleston, WV. He married Lou Elsie Allen.

Obituary, MRS. EMILY JANE TILLIS -- Mrs. Emily Jane Tillis, 82, died yesterday, Apr 17 1944, at her home , 508 1/2 Bream Street. The body was removed to Bartlett Mortuary. Surviving are two sons, Floyd G. and George W. both of Charleston; four sisters Mrs. Elzinia Flowers, Mrs. Lervenie Greelee, and Mrs. Alice Rissle, all of Charleston, and Mrs. Anna Rayburn of Newell; and a brother, Hiram Sayre of Arbuckle.

The Charleston Daily Mail, Charleston, West Virginia.

Anna L. Lutz

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A STORY ABOUT MARSHALL VAN BIBBER

By Ann Nechodom ([email protected])

Here's another true story from Mother's past:

Marshall Van Bibber was a man always on the move. As a contractor and builder he was often on the road late at night. On one such occasion he felt a hard pull on his team of horses as they strained against their load. He reached down to set the wagon brake and was knocked almost unconscious. He did reach home that night, but when he pulled into the yard he could hardly see because of a large flap of skin that hung down over his eye. He called to the two older boys to bring a pair of scissors. Clyde and Rolfe came running out to help and Hattie shoed Leslie and Louise off to bed to keep them out of the way. Rolfe cut off the dangling piece of scalp and tossed it into the grass. Clyde seeing the blood ran to get a horse and go for help; but when no horse left the barn Rolfe found where he had fainted and he rode to phone the doctor.

By daylight they found that the team had run over a long telephone wire that caught on the wagon and pulled until it snapped. If he hadn't reached down for the brake it would have decapitated him. No wonder Hattie worried when her menfolk were still gone after dark.

Ann Nechodom

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VANBIBBER County Death Date

Sandra Kay Marion 5-25-1970

Mable K. Grant 5-8-1953

J. R. Marion 7-27-1950

Role Baker 9-161945

Marshall Grant 9-14-1921

Ray Portland(City) 2-4-1929

Laura Jan (b 11-17-1903) Deschutes 1-13-1979

Rolf (b 8-?-1891) Union 1-17-1973

Mary Mat. (b 1-26-1902) Union 12-21-1983

Jess (b 1-31-1891) Deschutes 11-3-1986

Louise Eugene (b 7-6-1924) Polk 11-30-1992

(End Van Bibbers)

Pat Gast

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VAN BEBBER FUNERAL

By Pat Gast ([email protected])

The Dalles Chronicle 10-6-1911 (The Dalles, Oregon)

Services over the remains of the late William Van Bebber were held yesterday afternoon at the Crandall undertaking rooms, Rev. M. J. Perdue of the Methodist church officiating. A quartette, composed of Mr. and Mrs. F. M. Sexton, Miss Bertha Willerton and A. E. Gronewald sang. The pall bearers were W. E. Gilhousen, W. A. Kirby, F. R. Angle, Simeon Bolton, F. M. Sexton and W. A. Sexton. Interment was made in the Van Bebber plot in the Odd Fellows cemetery.

(Please note that this cemetery is very close to where Steve & I live - if anyone would like the cemetery record, or photo we would be happy to get it for them. Steve & Pat Gast [Ross/Van Bibber]

Pat Gast

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FOLLOW UP TO THE VAN BEBBER FUNERAL

By Gary R. Hawpe ([email protected])

Pat,

Thanks for the VB death dates from Oregon. I am interested in the death of William VAN BEBBER who is buried in the Odd Fellows cemetery. This just has to be William, the son of Peter VAN BEBBER and Sarah GRIMES. He married Sarah MARSH, of Iowa, about 1868 and lived their married life there in Wasco County. I have them recorded on the 1870, 1880, and 1900 census of that county. They lived in West Dalles Precinct according to the census records.

I'm sure Sarah is buried there with him and they had a son Marcus, born about 1875 and died before 1900. He will also probably be in the same plot. They had one other son, William "Willie" who was single in 1910 and lived there in The Dalles.

According to the 1880 and 1900 census, these are the only two children they had. Both are listed on the 1880 census, but on the 1900 census Sarah states she was the mother of two children and only one was living. Since "Willie" is listed with them in 1900, this tells us Marcus is deceased by then.

If you get to visit this cemetery, I would appreciate the dates off the tombstones if you are able to find them. With a stroke of good luck, you may find all four of them buried there in the same plot. Please keep me informed.

Thanks!

Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ______________
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and Frances Shumacher
Peter VanBibber and Anna ______________
Isaac VanBibber and Sarah Davis
John VanBebber and Margaret Chrisman
Peter VanBebber and Sarah Grimes
William Houston VanBebber and Sarah J. Marsh

P.S. I have never been able to find the marriage of William and Sarah. He is 26 years of age and living with his parents on the 1860 census of Ray County, Missouri. They are married with a one year old son on the 1870 census of Wasco County. They probably married sometime around 1868. Sarah was born in Iowa about 1851, but I believe the MARSH family was in Oregon before 1860. Please keep your eyes open for a marriage on them somewhere there in or near Wasco County.

Do you know that we have another VB descendant that lives there in The Dalles? She is Kay BUTLER and she descends down through Sophronia Veronica VAN BIBBER and George DIXON. Its been a while since I last communicated with her and I have her e-mail listed as: ([email protected]) The last time I checked she had a website at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/u/t/Kay-D-Butler/index.html -Warren LaBarre Family Home Page.

Dick, I'm sending this to you, since I know you live there in Oregon too. I will be getting back with you on the WALRAVEN family.

Gary R. Hawpe

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WEB PAGES

Kevin L.Sholder�s op den Graeff web page.

http://www.siscom.net/~rdrunner/HTML/Updegraff.html

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Leslie Houston�s Greenlee, Tillis and Van Bibber web page.

http://www.public.usit.net/houstonl/surnames.html

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QUERIES

From Barbara Drew ([email protected])

Lazarus VanBebber, b 1807, was a son of Peter and Ellender Van Bebber. Martha, b 1805, was a daughter of James Vanbebber and Hannah Hoover. They were first cousins, both being born in Claiborne Co., TN. They lived in Macoupin Co., IL where their daughter, Almeda was born. In 1846 they valiantly headed for Oregon. It was not an easy trip and they left those following the Oregon Trail at the point where the California broke off. Then Jesse Applegate met them and said there was an easier route below Klamath Falls, OR that would get them there easier but it was not. We visited an Interpretive Center just past Grant's Pass which a brother and sister had worked on for 7 years. It was a dream of theirs and the brother built the center and they both made a short movie with local people acting the parts and explaining how rough the trail was. Signs, artifacts and dioramas covered 4000 square feet within the building. What a history
lesson we learned. Lazarus and Martha continued up to Benton and King's Valley where they laid out a claim, recorded in Benton Co. records as OR Donation Land claim #5129.

Almeda married Isaac King and had 9 children. Isaac died under mysterious circumstances as revealed by a newspaper clipping I have.

Then she married Andrew Jackson Zumwalt and had 4 more children.

Every year there is a King's Valley Reunion the Saturday after Father's Day in King's Valley. If anyone is related or would like more information I would be happy to share my holdings.

Barbara Drew

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From Dianna Harrison ([email protected])

Has anyone actually seen tombstones or have a picture of same for Solomon H.
VanBibber and Mary Jane Bryson? We visited the Mount Airie Cemetery in Warren Co. Missouri, where they are said to be buried. The cemetery had not been cared for and there was a lot of destruction.

Thank you.

Dianna Harrison

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From Roxie Wheeler ([email protected])

I don't know if this is query material or not but I'm looking to fill in some blanks.
I am looking for the following family and any information that might be out there to find.

Mary (Polly) Malinda VanBebber Born 1791, Virginia. Married July 1, 1811, to
Powell Hamilton Sharp. She died 1861, maybe.

Would anyone have a birth date for this Mary VanBebber? Where did she get
married?

Where did she die? Where is she buried?

I show children for the couple above as:
Nancy born Jun 24, 1812, TN, married William Dobson. Any info on him?
Jane born Jun 30 1814, TN. Any info on her at all?
James Nicholas born 1815, KY. Any info on him?
Mary born about 1817. Any info on her?
John B. I have info on him.
Joshua Tillman born Sep 15, 1821, KY, married Rebecca S. McCracken. Any info on her?
Hannah S. born Nov 24, 1827, KY. Any info on her?
Elizabeth born Jul 1, 1830, KY. Any info on her?
Isaac Newton born May 25, 1835, IL. Any info on him?

I seek birth, marriage, death dates and names of any spouses or children that
might be known.

Sincerely,

Roxie Wheeler
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From Roxie Wheeler ([email protected])

I'm looking to fill in more blanks on this line too.
Isaac Franklin VanBibber
Born Feb 26, 1855 WHERE?
Married Feb 22, 1874 in Forest Lawn, Los Angeles, California to Louisa Ellen SHARP.
He died Jan 4, 1929 and is said to be buried in Severance, Brown County, Kansas.
Children of Isaac and Louisa VanBibber are:
Henry M. VanBibber born 1875.
Reuben E. VanBibber born 1876
Rufus Ernest VanBibber born Aug 16, 1876
Charles E. VanBibber born 1879
Lizzie VanBibber born 1883
Maude E. VanBibber born 1899
Victoria B. VanBibber born 1891
Cinderella VanBibber born 1893
James C. VanBibber born 1896
Laura RT. VanBibber born 1899

NOTE: All birth dates for children above (except for Rufus) are estimated based on the marriage date of the parents.

I am looking for:
The parents of Isaac Franklin VanBibber
Where was Isaac Franklin VanBibber born?
Any information on the children listed above like:

Who they married?
Did they have children?
When and where did they die?
Where are they buried?

I sure would appreciate any help at all filling in the blanks on this family
line!

Sincerely,

Roxie Wheeler

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From Earl K. Harvey ([email protected])

This with the same 3/28/99 posting to the Orig 13 on the Schumacher family. Listed in generation #5, children of John VB and Chloe Standiford.

You list: vii Anne Van Bibber b 19Sept. 1738. Above the list of children, parent John shows born Jan 1733 . Possibly a second spouse or child by a deceased spouse? I show the same group of children with the exception of the above Anne. I show a son Jacob, but have no birth, death, or marriage date or spouse.

Any help? All is appreciated.

Earl Harvey

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From Bev Gillihan ([email protected])

I'm Back.........moving was awful but we are finally "almost" back to normal.

My question for this month is from Volume 2, Number 8, June 1998:
RE: Descendants of Isaac VB and Sarah Davis. On page #13, notes for Florence Temple Kincaid. It states she married Eugene Hutchings Vanbebber but no other information on him is given.

My question: Who was he? Where did he come from?

I can find no other reference to him anywhere! Thanks in advance!
Bev
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From Earl H. Taylor ([email protected])

The Van Bibber Digest V99#59 Sat 24 July1999 20:25:07-0700 (PDT).

In the middle of pp 7 was the pedigree of Harry Thomas Van Bibber and Jane Coreen Greenwalt Harry Thomas was my wife's uncle. On pp 6 was the pedigrees of Mary Elizabeth Van Bibber m Ralph Madison Sutton, also the pedigree of Ruby Esther Van Bibber m Frank Sutton. Harry, Elizabeth, and Esther were brother and sisters, children of William Lee Van Bibber m. Sarah Currens. My wife's father was Harold Van Bibber m Mary Etta Williams. Harold was another brother of Harry, Elizabeth, and
Esther Van Bibber. All the children are first cousins and all the Sutton children are double cousins. I submitted most of this data a couple years ago and I would like to know who submitted it this time.

Earl H Taylor, husband of Mary Evelyn Van Bibber, deceased Jan 18, 1999

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From David Brown ([email protected])

A question of ancestry of Malinda Catherine Taylor, spouse of John Campbell Robinson Van Bibber and my great-grandmother. Malinda, also called Kate and Linda was born 25 Jan 1844 Rockbridge Co., VA, married 18 May 1865 in Nicholas Co., WV and died 22 Jan 1921 in Chehalis, Lewis Co. WA. Burial in Cloquato cemetery, near Chehalis, WA.

She was listed in the 1850 Nicholas Co., WV Census, Family # 466, as a child of Solomon Taylor (Big) and Malinda Taylor. Her death certificate lists her mother's maiden name as "Nicely" and birthplace as "Virginia".

I'm particularly interested in the parents of Solomon. Family tradition is that Malinda Catherine was related to President Zachary Taylor, but I've seen no data to support that.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Dave Brown
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