Van Bibber Pioneers Electronic Newsletter
Volume 3, Number 12   ·   October 1999

Greetings:

I wish each and every one of you a Happy Thanksgiving. The holidays are upon us and I hope everyone of you are happy, healthy and ready for Christmas.

This is the third anniversary edition of the Van Bibber Pioneers. Yes, it has been three years since ten Van Bibber researchers pledged to try to start a monthly newsletter. Before the first issue was published we had twenty-two subscribers.

We have had more than three hundred subscribers over the period of three years, but because of the dynamics of the Internet and genealogy in general we have lost a few subscribers. We have even had a few deaths along the way. I hope the departed are looking down on us and saying, "A job well done, but not finished."

Even though we have lost subscribers, it is heartening to see new subscribers appear every month. I know we are not finished with this newsletter and the search for Van Bibber ancestors and descendants.

We now have two hundred and sixty subscribers.

The editor reserves the right to edit contributions to the newsletter.

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CONTENTS

New Subscribers and Corrections

Historical Marker

Pedigree Of Mary Evelyn Van Bibber Taylor

Jury List Etc.

A Van Bibber Web Page

Descendants Of Rufus Alexander Smith

Margaret Vanbibber & David Ross Sr.

Obituary Of George Edward Van Bibber

Descendants Of David Vanbibber

Another Success Story

An Early Christmas?

Henry Van Bibber Crawford

Queries

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NEW SUBSCRIBERS

Jimmy D. Holdaway ([email protected])

Vicki Arrington ([email protected])

Rebecca R. Dyer ([email protected])

Slicklinda ([email protected])

CORRECTION

Earl Taylor ([email protected])

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HISTORICAL MARKER

By Steven Lee Turner ([email protected])

While visiting relatives in the tri-state area of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Virginia this past week, I came across the following road marker and grave site. The historical marker is located off highway 58E, RR Exit 684, Lee County, Virginia. The marker reads as follows:
"This marks the burial place of a party of white settlers who were surprised in camp and slain by Indians at day break on October 10, 1773. Those killed were James Boone, son
of Daniel Boone, Henry Russell, son of Captain William Russell, Robert and Richard
Mendenhale.....brothers.....and another unnamed white man.

Two [members of the party] escaped. Isaac Crabtree, a white man, and Adam, a Negro, slave of Russell.

Boone and Russell buried their sons and the others at the scene of the tragedy and gave up temporarily the first effort to settle Kentucky."

Erected July 10, 1951 by M. Wheeler Kisterson, a native of Lee County, Virginia....age 59, and a descendant of Mary Russell.

Approximately 100 yards west of this marker on a slight hill is a graveyard. In this graveyard are both recent and very old graves. Not surprisingly, the tombstones marking some of the oldest grave sites are eligible from weathering. It is unclear if this is the actual site where Daniel Boone and Captain Russell buried their sons. It is a small
graveyard, fenced off and located in a pasture.

I mention the above because, as you are aware, the Boones and the VanBebbers/VanBibbers were life long friends and enter married into one another's family.

Steven Lee Turner
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PEDIGREE OF MARY EVELYN VAN BIBBER TAYLOR

By Earl H. Taylor ([email protected])

John III Cleves [Duke of C] and Mary Julich-Berg-Ravensburg

William V Cleves and Mary Habsburg

John William Delamarck and Anna Van Aldekerk

Isaac Herman Opdengraeff and Greitjen Pieters

Isaac Van Bibber and Hester Op DEN Graeff

Jacob Isaacs Van Bibber and Christina Unknown

Isaac Jacob Van Bibber and Frances Veronica Schumacher

Peter Van Bibber Anna Unknown

Peter Van Bibber JR and Marguery/Marjorie Bounds

Jacob Van Bibber and Sarah Miller

Soloman Van Bibber and Mary Jane Bryson

Noah Van Bibber and Elizabeth Ann Carter

William Lee Van Bibber and Sarah "Sadie" Currens

Harold Van Bibber and Mary Etta Williams

Mary Evelyn Van Bibber and Earl Taylor

James Earl Taylor and Patricia Shepherd

Alexander Taylor and Rachel Pirker

Isabella Anais Taylor

Mary Evelyn Van Bibber Taylor, b. 28 Mar 1925, Rockville, MO, d. 8 Jan 1999, Pomona Valley Hospital, Pomona, Los Angeles CA; Buried Riverside National Cemetary, Riverside, CA Survived by her husband Earl H. Taylor, son James E. Taylor, Daughter Joyce Lee Young, five grandchildren and five great grandchildren.

Earl Taylor
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JURY LIST ETC.

By Alice Schurman ([email protected])

I found a Jacob Van Bibber on the jury lists for South Carolina, Beaufort District, Prince William Parish in 1778-79; grand jury and petit jury. There were two spellings Be... and Bi.../

Also Jacob Vanbibber lessee to Richard Sattus 1787-88, Daniel Desausure 1771-72, James Mackie 1770-71, Mary Desaussure -1774, John Cox -1778, Alexander Fauns -1797-99,Catherine Berry -1801.

A Henry DeSaussure on jury list Beaufort District Pr. Wm Parish, Daniel DeSaussure for St Helena Beaufort District, and James Mackie for District of Charlestown, Parish of St Phillip-St Michael's and Beaufort.

The above was all in South Carolina. Here is where my Ann Van Bibber married Dudley Bonds the son of Dudley Bonds and Francis Meredith. Daddy Dudley Bonds served on a jury with Jacob Van Bibber. But which one was he and where was he when the census was taken? I feel sure he is Ann's Poppa. If only I could find the proof. There is a family tale that Ann's family came via Ireland. That could be a cover for a less acceptable truth.

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Sources of Information:

"Ships Passenger Lists The South, 1538-1825" by J. Thomas Scharf, Edited and Indexed by Carl Boyer 1979. From West Virginia "Monroe Co. Land Book-1799" - John Van Bibber 345 acres; "Nicholas Co.1818 Land Tax List", Capt. Mathias Van Bibber 100 acres Peter's Creek, 250 acres Peter's Creek, 278 acres Peter's Creek.; "West VA Estate Settlement" - John VanBibber 1821.

Has anyone seen the letter Abraham Van Bibber wrote to Governor Thomas Jefferson?

Alice Schurman

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A VAN BIBBER WEB PAGE

By Sandra Quinn ([email protected])

(Editors note: This is the web page where I first found mention of Isaac and Mariah (Walraven) Van Bibber and their family.

Bruce, could you mention The Robinson Family Website,
http://www.gcis.net/robinson/robinson.htm

The photo of the VanBibber Post Office is there under photo's submitted by Pete VanBibber. And as you know Robinson is the related surname line.

Also under soldiers we listed info on VanBibber's.

Sandra Quinn - volunteer lookup person for Athens County on Ohio Gen. Web, Member of First Families of Athens County, Ohio, Member of Athens County Genealogical Society
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DESCENDANTS OF RUFUS ALEXANDER SMITH

By Kathleen O'Kelley ([email protected])

Descendants of Rufus Alexander Smith
1 Rufus Alexander Smith 1846 - 1914 Born: 1846 in ,,,TN d: March 05, 1914 in Milton, LeFlore County, OK; Burial: March 1914 Milton Cem, Milton, LeFlore Co, OK
. +Mary Elizabeth Bolin 1850 - 1918 Born: 1850 in ,,,AR
Married: September 05, 1868 in ,Springfield, Green Co, MO, d: February 1918 in Beggs, OK, Burial: OK
Father: Arthur BOLIN Mother: Letitia VANBIBBER

2 Owen Columbus Smith 1871 - 1947 Born: October 25, 1871 in Stone Co, MO.,d: March 14, 1947 in Haskell Co., OK; Burial: March 1947, Palestene Cem, Haskell Co, OK
2 Joseph Robert "Bob" Smith 1873 � 1956, Born: November 12, 1873 in Harrison, Boone County, AR d: March 02, 1956 in Mountainburg, Crawford County, AR Burial: March 1956 Peters Cem, Mt. Burg, Crawford Co, AR
. +Annie White 1881 - 1905 Born: December 1881 in ,,,MO Married: July 10, 1898 in Van Buren, Crawford Co, AR d: March 05, 1905, Burial: 1905 Peters Cem, Mountainburg, Crawford Co, AR
*2nd Wife of Joseph Robert "Bob" Smith:
. +Martha Dora Pope 1878 - 1962 Born: October 03, 1878 in Mountainburg, Crawford County, Arkansas Married: August 13, 1910 in Van Buren, Crawford County, Arkansas d: January 25, 1962 in Home of Son R.E Johonston, Memphis, Shelby County, TN Burial: January 1962 Hatfield Cem, Mountainburg, Crawford Co, AR
2 Mary Leticia Smith 1878 - 1961 Born: 1878 in Harrison, Boone Co, AR, d: 1961 in OK Burial: 1961, OK
2 Lonnie "Lon" Smith 1881 - 1947 Born: May 14, 1881 in Lone Elm, 88 Com, Rudy, Crawford Co, AR d: June 20, 1947 in ,Beggs, Okmulgee Co, OK, Burial: June 1947 Beggs Cem, Beggs, Okmulgee Co, OK
*2nd Wife of Rufus Alexander Smith:
. +Dica Ann Franks Married: December 18, 1890 in Fort Smith, Sebastian County, AR

2 Jim Smith Born: in ,,,OK
2 Charley Smith Born: in ,,,OK
2 Fayette Smith Born: in ,,,OK >
2 Mary Elizabeth Smith Born: in ,,,OK
2 Plesant Mae Smith - 1891 Born: in LeFlore Co, OK, d: 1891 in Milton, LeFlore Co, OK Burial: 1891 Milton Cem, Milton, LeFlore Co, OK
2 Cora Lee Smith 1897 - 1991 Born: January 06, 1897 in Home, Milton, LeFlore Co, OK d: January 09, 1991 in, Portales, NM Burial: January 12, 1991 Portales Cem, Portales, NM
. +Rubin Elliott 1892 - 1982 Born: May 18, 1892 in Home, Indian Territory, OK, Married: December 22, 1911 in, Fort Smith, Sebastian Co, AR d: April 12, 1982 in Roosevelt Hosp, Portales, NM Burial: April 15, 1982 Portales Cem, Portales, NM
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I Have looked for this family since 1974. Still can not find parents for Rufus (Rufas) Smith. Any info or suggestions will be appreciated.

Kathleen Smith O'Kelley
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MARGARET VANBIBBER & DAVID ROSS SR.

By Charles D. Ross ([email protected])

Margaret Vanbibber and David Ross...from records kept by Charles D. Ross.

My 2nd gr. paternal grandparents were Robert Ross and Alsey Osborn. This was known by family. From records I found at the Lawrence Co., KY, Court, I deduced the father of Robert Ross must be a David or John Ross. I put a query in the Ashland, KY, "Tree Shaker" asking if anyone knew the parents of Robert Ross. A Ross descendant, and competent genealogical researcher from Eastern KY, answered my query with a family group sheet, considerable proof and other information showing the parents were David Ross Sr. and Margaret (likely a Vanbibber). I spent more than two years searching for the family of Margaret Vanbibber born ca. 1792. This included the kind assistance of no less than our editor, Mr. Bruce Logan.

In the meantime, this lady researcher from E. KY found a death certificate on a son of Margaret Vanbibber and David Ross proving Margaret was a Vanbibber.

Meanwhile, my own efforts had taken me to a prominent researcher in TN who had the key to placing Margaret Vanbibber, wife of David Ross Sr., in the family of James Vanbibber and Hannah Hoover. Later, the researcher who answered my query put a family group sheet on David Ross Sr. and Margaret in the "History of Lawrence County Kentucky". Years later, I found Hannah (Hoover) Vanbibber with her daughter, Elizabeth's Family in Platte Co., MO. at age 87, born in NC by census.

Many people have assisted me in finding what I know about this family. Much remains to be done. The parents of David Ross Sr. are not known by me at this time although I have spent much time and expense looking for this. I will list some of the clues that I found searching for David Ross Sr. in the hope this may assist others who might be brave and daunting enough to research this. Let me wish them the best luck and I hope they will publish their results.

First Generation

Margaret1 VanBibber,1 daughter of James VanBibber and Hannah Hoover, was born in Lee, VA circa 1792. Margaret died after 1860 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age unknown. She married David Ross [Sr.] circa 1810. David was born 1760 in NC. David died circa 1861 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age 100+. His body was interred date unknown in Flat Gap, KY.

Margaret VanBibber and David Ross[Sr.] had the following children:

2i. Susannah2 Ross2 was born circa 1811. (there is conflicting evidence on this date) Susannah died before 1890 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age unknown. She married Thomas F. Williams March 31, 1836 in Lawrence Co. KY.3 Thomas was born circa 1813 in KY. (Additional notes for Thomas F. Williams 4) Thomas died date unknown an unknown location, at age unknown.

3 ii. Dorcas Ross5 was born in KY circa 1817.(I have seen some evidence that Dorcas was b. in Scott Co., VA. This is ca. the time her parents moved from Knox Co. KY, to Flat Gap, KY) Dorcas died before 1900 in KY, at age unknown. She married Nicholas Sparks December 21, 1837 in Lawrence Co. KY.6 Nicholas was born 1812 in NC. Nicholas 7 was the son of Thomas Sparks and Dianah Wilcox. Nicholas died before 1880 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age unknown.

4 iii. James A. Ross8 was born in Floyd Co. KY October 10, 1819. James died December 15, 1862 in Lawrence Co. KY, at age 43. His body was interred December 30, 1862 in Blaine, KY.9 He married Sarah Lyon February 24, 1842 in Lawrence Co. KY.10 Sarah was born August 8, 1825 in Lawrence Co. KY. Sarah 11 was the daughter of Lewis Lyon and Lina Grizzell. Sarah died May 21, 1916 in Elliott, KY, at age 90. Her body was interred May 22, 1916 in H H Barker Cem, Elliott Co.

5 iv. Robert Ross12 was born in Floyd Co. KY circa 1821. Robert died 1892 in Lawrence Co. KY, at age 71. His body was interred 1892 in Lawrence Co. KY.13 He married Ailsey Osborn February 18, 1847 in Lawrence Co. KY.14 Ailsey was born April 7, 1832 in Lawrence Co. KY. Ailsey 15 was the daughter of Walter Osborn and Sarah Sallie Edwards. Ailsey died November 19, 1914 in Lawrence Co. KY, at age 82.16 Her body was interred November 20, 1914 in Lawrence Co. KY.

Robert was employed Cains Creek, Blaine, KY.

6 v. Elizabeth Ross17 was born in Lawrence Co. KY ca. 1822. (there is only circumstantial evidence on the existence of this child. I had tax lists showing this person resided beside David & Margaret Ross. David Ross of Springfield, OH, astutely found loose deeds in Johnson Co., KY, showing David Ross Sr. divested land by putting it in the name of Elizabeth Ross and both Elizabeth and Robert, her brother). Elizabeth died after 1848 at age unknown.

7 vi. David Ross[Jr.]18 was born in Drake, KY February 26, 1824. David died March 26, 1893 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age 69.19 His body was interred March 1893 in Flat Gap, KY. He married Martha Jayne March 4, 1853 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY. Martha was born 28 Dec. 1833 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY. Martha 20 was the daughter of Henry Jayne and Sarah Sparks. Martha died January 5, 1897 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age 63. Her body was interred date unknown in Flat Gap, KY.

8 vii. Mary Ross21 was born in Lawrence Co. KY circa 1827. Mary died before 1900 in KY, at age unknown. She married Daniel Jayne November 5, 1853 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY.22 Daniel was born 1830 an unknown location. Daniel died after 1900 an unknown location, at age unknown. Daniel applied for a marriage license to wed Mary Ross October 1, 1853. Mary applied for a marriage license to wed Daniel Jayne October 1, 1853.

9 viii. Joseph Ross23 was born in Lawrence Co. KY August 14, 1828. Joseph died January 14, 1914 in KY, at age 85.24 His body was interred January 15, 1914 in Flat Gap, KY. He married Verlina Dobyns March 25, 1855.25 Verlina was born February 26, 1836 in VA. Verlina 26 was the daughter of William A. Dobbins and Elizabeth Minnick. Verlina died September 5, 1914 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age 78. Joseph was employed in Flat Gap, KY.

10 ix. Catherine Ross27 was born in KY May 29, 1829. Catherine died 1886 an unknown location, at age 57.28 She married Allen Stapleton May 4, 1854 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY. Allen was born June 1832 in Russell, VA. Allen was the son of Charles Stapleton and Nancy Salyer. He married Cynthia Cordial date unknown an unknown location. Allen died after 1900 in Eastern KY Johnson, KY, at age 77.

11 x. Stephen Ross29 was born in KY September 6, 1830. Stephen died December 28, 1909 in Flat Gap, KY, at age 79. His body was interred date unknown in Flat Gap, KY. He married Angeline Williams April 26, 1864 in KY.30 Angeline was born May 5, 1845 in KY. (Additional notes for Angeline Williams 31) Angeline died January 26, 1928 in ID, at age 82.

Stephen was employed Farming, in Flat Gap, KY.

CLUES: DAVID ROSS OF KNOX CO KY

Court Order Book A (as abstracted by Mr. L.D. Prewitt, now deceased).

David Ross:

1801, Jun 19, tax 3rd rate 100 a. Cumberland R.

1802, Mar 1-Certificate for 100 acres on Martins Fork

1804, tax list 1-3 horses

1805, tax list 3rd rate 300 a. pd. Mar 27 George Brittain

1805, May 7,-Appointed road viewer

1808, Sep 12, deed to Geo. Brittain 100 a. Cumberland R.

1809, November-On delinquent tax list

1817, tax 35 a. on Cummings Crk. (Crummys Crk.)

1817, Apr 18, 37a. on Cumberland R. from John Gaes

1825, Sept 23-attests a mrg. of George Blanton's daughter.

From: Annals of Floyd, Ky. Knox Court Minutes, May 1806, p.62: Ordered that David Rofs, Abner Lewis and David Smith being first duly sworn to view out a road from the mouth of the Poor Fork to Richard Wallaces and make report to next court. These persons likely lived on the same road. The same names are found on deed for land. by C.D.R.

1804-5 tax list Grainger Co. Tn.-Early Tn. Tax Lists

1810 Lee Co. Va. Census Supplement has David Ross white 1, slave 0, horse 1, cow 0.

Floyd Co Tax 1793 lists Jonathan Ross

Floyd Co. Tax 1783 lists Richard Ross

VA Land Off Patents & Grants: 27 Feb 1786 Elizabeth Ross Linc Co. on the head branches of Drakes Camp Crk & Paint Lick

ditto: Ross, Isaac Ambrose-Linc Co., 2 Dec. 1785, 300a. on dividing ridge between Drakes Crk & Paint Lick Crk, S. side of the trace leading from Kennady's Sta. to Harman's Lick.(above Ross' n.k.)

I found a story in one family line that the name would not have been Ross had an unwed mother named Ross used the father's name, Taylor.

In another line there was a story that Old David Ross had a problem in VA and came to Kentucky and changed his name from Taylor to Ross. I have found no evidence to corroborate these stories.

Charles Ross

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OBITUARY OF GEORGE EDWARD VAN BIBBER

By Stan Paitson, Non Subscriber ([email protected])

E. George Van Bibber. He was wrestling coach and athletic director at the University of Connecticut and before that at the Universities of Buffalo and Western Michigan. He died fifteen or twenty years ago at Storrs, CT. I have a brief obit, which I will send you.

He was a relatively young man in the 1930's, when I met him. He must have been born in the 1900's and died around 1980. The brief obit was taken from the New York Times, but unfortunately I didn't date it.

Identification:

Isaac Van Bebber and Hester op den Graeff

Jacob Isaac Van Bebber and Christina Unknown

Isaac Jacobs Van Bibber and Fronica Schumacher

Peter Van Bibber and Anna Unknown

Peter Van Bibber and Margery Bounds

Jacob Van Bibber and Sarah Miller

Ezekiel Van Bibber and Susan Rice

David Van Bibber and Mini Eberwine

Edward Garfield Van Bibber and Elizabeth McKenize

George Edward Van Bibber and Norma Unknown

Obituary of E. George Van Bibber

E. George Van Bibber, director emeritus of the University of Connecticut School of Physical Education, died of a heart attack Tuesday at the Windham (Conn.) Community Hospital after having been stricken at the Willimantic Country Club. He was 73 years old and lived in Storrs, Conn.

Mr. Van Bibber joined the university faculty in 1936 after having served as director of intercollegiate athletics and head football coach at the University of Buffalo. He had also served as athletic coach at Central Michigan University.

Surviving are two daughters, Norma Joan Hollowell of Pacific Palisades, Calif. And Mary Harris of Somerville, Mass., and three sisters.

Stan Paitson

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DESCENDANTS OF DAVID VANBIBBER

By Gary R. Hawpe ([email protected])

We just got back from Misawa, Japan after being deployed up there for the last three weeks. Misawa is in Northern Japan and it actually snowed while we were there.

The following is what I have on the descendants of David VAN BIBBER and Minnie EBERWINE. You will see that I have E. George VAN BIBBER listed as Edward George Van Bibber.

Identification:

Isaac Van Bebber and Hester op den Graeff

Jacob Isaac Van Bebber and Christina Unknown

Isaac Jacobs Van Bibber and Fronica Schumacher

Peter Van Bibber and Anna Unknown

Peter Van Bibber and Margery Bounds

Jacob Van Bibber and Sarah Miller

Ezekiel Van Bibber and Susan Rice

David Van Bibber and Minnie Eberwine

Generation No. 1

1. David8 VanBibber (Ezekial7, Jacob6, Peter5, Peter4, Isaac Jacobs3, Jacob Isaacs2, Isaac1) was born May 06, 1846 in Greenup Co., KY, and died December 25, 1922 in IN. He married Minnie Eberwine February 22, 1876 in Greenup Co., KY.
Children of David VanBibber and Minnie Eberwine are:
+ 2 i. Mary9 VanBibber, born 1877 in Greenup Co., KY.
+ 3 ii. Edward Garfield VanBibber, born June 28, 1880 in Greenup Co., KY; died March 27, 1966 in IN.
4 iii. Frederick VanBibber, born June 28, 1882; died November 08, 1882.

Generation No. 2

2. Mary9 VanBibber (David8, Ezekial7, Jacob6, Peter5, Peter4, Isaac Jacobs3, Jacob Isaacs2, Isaac1) was born 1877 in Greenup Co., KY. She married Charles S. Decker December 22, 1895 in Clay Co., IN, son of William Decker and Lauretta West.
Children of Mary VanBibber and Charles Decker are:
5 i. Charles R.10 Decker, born August 1896.
6 ii. Infant Decker.
7 iii. Helen Decker, born 1901.

3. Edward Garfield9 VanBibber (David8, Ezekial7, Jacob6, Peter5, Peter4, Isaac Jacobs3, Jacob Isaacs2, Isaac1) was born June 28, 1880 in Greenup Co., KY, and died March 27, 1966 in IN. He married Elizabeth McKenize.
Children of Edward VanBibber and Elizabeth McKenize are:
8 i. Marie10 VanBibber, born 1899 in IN.
9 ii. Edna VanBibber, born 1904 in IN.
10 iii. David VanBibber, born 1907.
11 iv. Edward George VanBibber, born January 06, 1909 in Vigo Co., IN; died August 1982 in CT. He married Norma.
12 v. Nadine E. VanBibber, born April 27, 1911 in Vigo Co., IN.
13 vi. Harry Frances VanBibber, born February 22, 1913 in Vigo Co., IN; died August 14, 1920 in Harrison Township, Vigo Co., IN.
14 vii. Virginia A. VanBibber, born 1917 in IN.
15 viii. Ruth Marion VanBibber, born November 22, 1919 in Vigo Co., IN.

Gary R. Hawpe.......Iwakuni, Japan
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ANOTHER SUCCESS STORY

By Gary R. Hawpe ([email protected])
and Bruce Logan ([email protected])

Gary,

From the Linn Co., MO 1890 census.

VanBebber, ?archman Pvt. F 23rd Missouri Infantry

Bruce
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Bruce,

This has to be Vardaman VAN BEBBER the son of Jacob VAN BEBBER and Catherine Ann GUTHRIE. He applied for a pension on June 21, 1887 and lived his entire married life in Linn County, dying there in 1900.

Gary

Gary R. Hawpe and Bruce Logan
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AN EARLY CHRISTMAS?

By Bruce Logan ([email protected])

And Dr. Max van de Sandt ([email protected]) Non Subscriber

Bruce Logan wrote:

Hello,

I found your web page while searching for Van Bebber and wonder why you have a Van Bebber coat of arms on your web page.

I search for all the Van Bebber/Van Bibber information I can find and wonder
if you know about a Van Bebber - Van de Sandt connection I missed.

For more Van Bibber/Van Bebber information you might want to check out my
web page listed in my signature.

Bruce
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Max van de Sandt wrote:

Hello Bruce,

The Van Bebber coat of arms and the Van Bebber-Van de Sandt connection
are taken from a posthumous autobiographical and genealogical manuscript by Dr. Alexander van de Sandt (1663-1721), who was a barrister and alderman at Xanten, Germany. I shall send you the relevant pages by post.
Sorry for my late reaction.

Max van de Sandt
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HENRY VAN BIBBER CRAWFORD

By Jeannie Lane ([email protected])

Henry Van Bibber Crawford. Identified throughout his entire life with the history of this locality, and well known as one of its most influential citizens, the subject of this memoir was laid to rest, at his death, amid the scenes familiar to him thought so many years. He was born at Middletown, Newcastle County, Del., September 16, 1833, and died suddenly of heart disease January 14, 1897, at his home near Warwick, Md. The family of which he was a member was among the oldest in Maryland and was connected with the Youngs and Culbreths, of Caroline, the Mackeys, of Talbot, the Turpins, of Queen Anne, and the McKims, of Baltimore. Upon his mother's side he was connected with the Petersons and Van Bibbers, of Cecil County, and the Gilmores, of Baltimore. He was the youngest son of William Hazlett and Catherine A. (Reading) Crawford, the former a native of Delaware, an influential farmer, a private in the ranks at the battle of North Point and at Ft. Henry, and a nephew of Col. John Hazlett, a Revolutionary hero, whose body lies buried in Dover, Del.

The advantages given Mr. Crawford in boyhood were those common to the aristocratic families of the central south, prior to the war. It is said of him that when a youth he was one of the most popular young men in his neighborhood, and this quality of winning and retaining friends remained one of his principal characteristics through life. At the outbreak of the late war he was living quietly at the old homestead in Middletown, engaged in general farming. His sympathies were with the south, and soon he enlisted for active service, becoming a member of Company B, First Maryland Cavalry, under Capt. George M. Emack and Col. Ridgley Brown. In all the engagements of the First he bore a valiant part and was one of those who "rode with Stuart." It was the testimony of his comrades that under fire he was calm and collected, never evincing any excitement, even when peril was greatest. His regiment was ordered to General Ewell's Corps to lead the advance into Pennsylvania in 1863, and was in the threes days' battle at Gettysburg. During the retreat, on the night of the 4th of July, while guarding a part of Ewell's wagon train, they held in check for more than two hours a brigade of Federal cavalry, for which they received meritorious mention from General Lee in his report of the campaign. They participated in the disastrous valley skirmishes of 1864, and during that time he was one of a force of men, under Sergeant Turris, who succeeded in burning a bridge, despite the efforts of a company of Federal Cavalry to dislodge them. Returning home at the close of the war, Mr. Crawford resumed farm work. When about forty years of age, April 30, 1873, he married Miss Margaret Price, with whom he lived happily until his death came to separate them. His home was on a farm in District No. 1, Cecil County, and it was while superintending some of the farm work that he succumbed to heart disease. Returning from the barn to the house, he sank into a chair near the fire, shivered as from cold, and in an instant was dead. He was buried from St. Frances Xavier Church, which he joined after his marriage. Besides his widow, he left a son, Charles, a capable and well-educated young man, who succeeds to the management of the estate.

Mrs. Crawford was born March 10, 1839, upon the farm where she now lives. Her parents, John V. and Ann (Nowland) Price were natives of Cecil County and had a family of four children, namely: Thomas, Susanna, Margaret C., and John N., now deceased. She received a good education, which fitted her for the responsibilities of life, and at an early age became a member of the Roman Catholic Church, with which she has since been connected. Her father was a soldier in the War of 1812, and she is justly proud of the fact that both he and her husband were brave soldiers, with the courage to fight for what they believed was right. Among the people of District No. 1, she has many warm friends, to who she is endeared by her many noble traits of character.

Jeannie Lane

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QUERIES

From Lynda Smith ([email protected])

I am still trying to figure out why my GG Grandfather Benjamin Timberlake lived with his Aunt Matilda VanBibber Estill in Lawrence County MO in 1850. Matilda's husband James had died. James was the brother of Rachel Estill Timberlake mother of Benjamin. Does anyone know what happened to Rachel and Richard Timberlake? Benjamin was only 20 years old.

Lynda Smith
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Keith and Kim Becker Non subscribers ([email protected])

I am looking for information on Norma Wright VanBibber. I am researching the Wright family history and have had loads of brick walls with this family. I do not have any information on her except that she was my grandfather's sister. His name was Perry Carl Wright.

Thank you,

Keith & Kim Becker

http://www.homstead.com/fromwhencetheycame/index.html
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From Terrye Jones Lambert ([email protected])

I'm the great-great granddaughter of Louisa Hutts & Jesse Davis of Missouri. Their daughter, Louisa Melissa Jane Davis married C. T. Wackerly in Independence County, Arkansas. Louisa's parents were Lorenzo Hutts & Melissa Vanbibber. Gary has been able to provide me with general information showing Melissa's ancestry, but I would like to know if anyone else out there might be able to fill in the blanks more. I can help out with Melissa's line down through her grand-daughter's family through my
line.

Terrye Jones Lambert
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From Pat and Steve Gast ([email protected])

As my husband Steve's line runs through Margaret Van Bibber and David Ross, I
am wondering if anyone has found her dead date? Also is there anything new on old David Ross, her husband? He is about the peskiest old fellow I've ever chased.

Thank you,
Pat and Steve Gast

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From David Brown ([email protected])

Two questions came to mind today. Can you imagine that??? One is the Van Bibber cigars. When I was a teenager, a local high school drugstore hangout displayed an ad for Van Bibber cigars. Even then, the Van Bibber name rang my chimes.

My Dad, a West Virginian, chewed tobacco since he was a kid. But occasionally he would smoke a cigar. So the ad was of interest to me.

As I remember, the package of cigars had a picture of a very sophisticated gentleman in a tuxedo, a top hat, and a cane. He looked very nonchalantly at the viewer and had a lighted cigar in his hand. I didn't try to find out anything about it at the time.

Later I heard the story from a second cousin, John Van Bibber, in Iowa, that the source of the name on the cigar package ultimately came from a fictional book, which used the name Van Bibber for a charming, debonair individual because the author thought the name matched the image he wanted to portray. I'd be interested in hearing more about the Van Bibber cigars!

The second item is about Van Bibber apples. My Dad told me many stories
when I was a kid about delivering apples to "company stores" ( and this was before Tennessee Ernie Ford!) in West Virginia. In later years, when I was in high school and working in a grocery store, a crate of apples was delivered with a colored placard on one end with a picture of an apple farmer and the label, "Van Bibber". That image stayed with me. In later years, my Dad received a personal book by a teacher of his, William Griffin Brown, "History of Nicholas County West Virginia". In that book, on the subject of Nicholas County apples was this statement. "Little attention was given to fruit growing. a few seedling apples and peach trees were found around the home. Two seedling apples were favorites. They were the "John Young" and "VanBibber" or "Milam", named
for the pioneers who first grew them.".....

That grabbed me! I have written to several seed and nurseries asking the obvious question over several years, but have never gotten any results. Any help out there?

Dave Brown

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From Bev Gillihan ([email protected])

I found this information going through Van Bibber web pages and thought I'd pass it on. Maybe someone knows who this individual is.

From the Descendants of Landon P. Tuder, Generation #6:

Matthew Jones and wife Nellie (Ellis) Jones adopted a child who they named Thelma, b. March 20, 1919 in Oklahoma, d. Sept. 14, 1934 in Proctor, Oklahoma.

Thelma's actual surname was VAN BIBBER. She was hit in the chest with a rock

thrown by a young boy on his way home from school and died a few days later. Cause of death: Unknown.

Bev Gillihan

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