There are quite a few errors in the Christie book. It would be nice to share errors as we find them. Please send submissions to Bruce Cantrall, bruce@cornell-iowa.edu From: SMTP%"dalcantrell@Dekalb.Net" 7-AUG-1997 12:34:26.59 Subj: Christie book. Return-Path: From: dalcantrell@Dekalb.Net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Resent-Sender: CANTRELL-L-request@rootsweb.com Hello the List-------- Following this brief apology from me, I am forwarding a message from Warren. I assume everyone knows how many years he has devoted to these CANTRELL's of ours--a lifetime. I asked his permission to pass this info on to the list. I didn't get it, but he didn't say no. Please don't be upset Warren. I feel we should all share from our combined research and Mistakes. I don't agree that we need to burn the entire book. There are some things worth saving. It's just that it is very important for EVERYONE to VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY everything you find. If it is a primary resource, DOCUMENT!!!!!! Books, no matter how new or old, are good places to START. I knew this and should have made it clear to begin with. I aplogize, to Warren, and everyone out there. Sometimes, we tend to take things, (other's knowledge of how-to) for granted that we shouldn't. At least I found out there is "someone out there" and got something going. The following info is directly from Warren Cantrell, Family Historian and researcher "extraordinaire" . )Dale, )I realize the weather is hot but why don't you start up a fire in the stove )and fuel the flames with the Christie book?!! )For forty years, I have owned one of the orginial 300 copies of this )misguided publication. )I also have copies of the many additions that have been added to it without )research as to its authenticity. I can name half a dozen cousins who have )been led down this prim-rose path. Two of who lived in your area. )Let us take a brief visit to the book. Page 8. John #7 didnot have the 23 )sons and two daughters as listed. Many of those listed were children of his )brother Isaac. Page 9 Abraham #12 did not die in SC but in Warren co. TN in )1826. #33 was not his son but a son of his brother John "M" Richard ) #37 wa born ca 1764 and was 16 years older than his father as listed!! ) Richard #37 was a son of Isaac Sr. Abraham # 33 is the same person as )Abraham #800. John #44 is the same as John #809. "Peanuts" mother made )an attempt to straighten out Isaac Denton #67 and Isaac Denton # 958. #43 )and #48 are the same. There was no Felix in this family Isaac #13 did not )have all of the children listed! John #318 did not move to TN but moved to )GA. where he reared his family and died in the 1850s. Sarah lived to be )quite old. Christie was so anxious to join the DAR and she knew her )ancestor was a Jacob Cantrell and in NC she found a voucher for pay to a )Jacob Cantrell. This Jacob was married and had a house full of children at )the time of the Rev. War. He was a son of John. Now he had a cousin, Jacob )son of Isaac who was unmarried and the right age. She made sure that this )Jacob was never mentioned in her book but she came in contact with one of )sons, John.So she made an intentional error for #319 and called Jacob, )Isaac and encluded a sketch for him. Aaron #320 was not a son of Isaac )unless he was born when Isaac was under 16 years of age. Aaron #20 and )Aaron #320 are probably the same person. Thomas Webb is of that opinion and )i concur. Page 34, Mary wife of Jacob did not die in KY but in NC and son, )Zebulon took over the administration of the estate. Christie did so little )research on her own line that she did not know that Jacob had another )daughter born after the will of 1782 was made. David #477 was not a son of )Zebulon #470 but a son of Zebulon, son of Christopher. Have 1926 )affidavits to back up this fact. Page 59, Joseph #15 was Joseph #8.. ) John's Joseph was #1392, He had one son and several daughters Page 124, )Zebulon #9 was a son of Joseph Cantrell but this Joseph was #1568 by his )2nd wife, Mrs Sarah Edwards n'ee Cantrell daughter of Joseph and Catherine )heath Cantrell. Page 60, William #630 was the only son of Joseph #1392 ) Page 62, Isaac #635 was a son of Benjamin #634. Stephen #16 was not a )soldier in the Rev. War. The soldier was his uncle Stephen who died in GA. ) Elizabeth #802 did not marry Daniel Adcock but rather David Adcock #808 )married Mark Forrest as his lst of three wives. Now to Thomas #23, my )ancestor. Gabriel #1099 did not go to MO. In early Dec. 1849, he tied a )rope around his neck and jumped out of the barn loft. Jacob #1092 died in )1840s in McMinn co. and in 1853, she joined my widowed great grandmother on )the move to Dade co. MO. Son David had accompanied his uncle Elijah to Dade )co. Elizabeth DeLong Cantrell was accompanied by daughter Elizabeth )Jane, and the widow of Gabriel, Elizabeth McMinn Cantrell and her three )children., and perhaps by son James. Gabriel's widow did not like MO. so she )joined a wagon train and went west to CA. She married 2nd Grizzle Wallace. ) James may have accompanied her, as we never located him after 1850. When )the new county of Webster MO was created. my G grandmother Nancy Smith )Cantrell and her sister-in-law, Elizabeth Delong Cantrell moved to Cantrell )Creek in the new county. Elizabeth Jane married James Jasper VanHooser. ) Jacob's dau. Mary Ann had married Bloomfield Logan in 1840 and moved to )Dade co. in l848, the same time that he brother, David moved. Bloomfield )Logan was a brother to William Calvin Logan who married her sister, Judith )Malinda. William and Judith moved to Mo after 1870. Jacob's dau, Nancy ) married James Milton Rutherford. After the war, they moved to MO. and )settled in Wright co. In 1883, she was a widow and drawing a pension. )Andrew Jackson #1103 did not move to MO. He was born in Feb. 1822 and in )1920 he was 98 years old and living in Bradley co. TN. By two wives. he )reared a family of 10 children. Of all the families to mess up this was )Christie's best. As her dasughter married a grandson of Jacob, it would )appear that this was one of the best possibilities to get correct. By the )way, in 1920, Christie and her hiusband were living with the dau. in )Chattanoga. We understand that her records were given to the City library )in 1944 and they have never been catalogued. and they won't allow them to be )searched. )Page 112, Reuben #24 Christie evidently viewed the 1790 census of NC and )picked up a CURTIS family and accredited it to Reuben. so we don't really )know who the father of #1235, 1236, 1237 was! Page 115, Benjamin #26 )was a son of Isaac and not John.. )Page 118 James #28 was not a son of John but a son of Isaac. Page 141 and )142 Isaac #1520 is really #10 The Protest of Isaa's will son. Peter ) names all of the children of Isaac with the lead off of eldest son. JACOB. ) Isaac's 3rd wife was Mary LINDER not Leonard. )Can you now get some idea why I get so disgusted and upset when I read )E-mail where you offer to send info from the Christie Book. Some years ago )when genie was 1sr set up a cousin in Cisco, CA. started doing the same )thing and several of the Cantrell Cousins convinced her to cease the )practice. 40 years have gone into my recording of the Cantrell family )history, I hate to see those years wasted by cousins accepting the Christie )book as gospel. I don't claim my records are correct but they are as )complete as my years of research have been able to make them. The last )family historian was a 2nd cousin of my father and we spent many hours )together in IL and later in Fl where he died in his 90s; He died regretting )mistakes he made in the records and as I reach the sunset of my life, I too )will die, regretting )I ask your forgiveness if this upsets you and I remain, in kinship )Warren G. Cantrell )1913 Willowbend Dr. )Killeen, TX 76543 )(254) 699-2143 ) >dalcantrell@dekalb.net >DALE GIVAN CANTRELL researching Liberty,TN and BETHEL, BRATTEN, DALE, >GIVAN, JORDAN, TRUITT, WHALEY, and more. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 >X-Loop: CANTRELL-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: CANTRELL-L-request@rootsweb.com >Lynn. >For Lord's sake take the Hannah Haynes junk out of your file. That was a >rumor that I started 25 years ago and have lived to regret. John "Snow Shoe" >and Hannah Hanes Heath did not have, I repeat. didnot have a daughter >Catherine among their 10 or 12 children. >Warren G. Cantrell >Family Historian >1913 Willowbend Dr. >Killeen,. TX 76543 >(254) 699-2143 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: CANTRELL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CANTRELL-L-request@rootsweb.com Diane, Please, please remove all information from your files that Catherine was a daughter of John "Snow Shoe" and Hannah Haynes Heath. That was a ruor that I started 25 years ago and have long regretted. John and hannah did not and I repeat did not have a dau. named Catherine. Futher there is not proof that Catherine was a Heath. That was a rumor that Nobel Bethel started in 1928. His opinion was based on the 1747 will of John Heath that named a cousin, Alice Cantrell as an heir. john and Hanah Haynes Heath never left MA or Conn. Warren G. Cantrell 1913 Willowbend Dr. Killeen TX 76543 (254) 699-2143