Hill-Jordan-Klages Families 

and Related Lines

HILL SURNAME DNA PROJECT - GROUP 26
ANALYSIS OF PARTICIPANT DATA
(by group member Catherine Hill, [email protected])

We have not, as yet, identified a MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor). We have now, January 2007, received the 67 DNA marker tests, for William Hill, I, Kit #24699, Ralph Hill, Kit #N13537, and Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066, and they have proved to be 66/67 DNA marker matches! It is believed that William Hill’s DNA, Kit #24699, may be the base line of this Hill family, as it lies between Ralph Hill, Kit #N13537 and Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066. William Hill, Kit #24699, and Ralph Hill, Kit #N13537, have only 1 mutation, and that is in the DYS “CDYa” marker, with a Genetic Distance of "1", while Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066, has only 1 mutation, in the DYS “CDYb” marker, with a Genetic Distance of "2". They are tightly related. Ralph Hill, Kit #N13537, and Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066, have 2 mutations, being different in DYS “CDYa” and DYS “CDYb”, with a Genetic Distance of "3", they are also tightly related. 

(As of September 2007) William Hill, I, Kit # 24699, and Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), Kit # 97006, DNA Markers shows a 65/67 DNA Marker match with 2 mutations: one is in the second panel DYS #447, with a Genetic Distance of “1”; the second is in the DYS #CDYa, with a Genetic Distance of “1’; therefore, with William Hill, I, there is a 65/67 DNA Marker match, with a Genetic Distance of “2”. - Ralph Hill, of the Plymouth Colony, 1638, Kit # N13537, shows, with Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), Kit # 97006, a 66/67 DNA Marker match, the mutation being in the second panel DYS #447 with a Genetic Distance of “1”. - Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066, and Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), Kit # 97006, shows a 64/67 DNA Marker match; there are 3 mutations: one is in the second panel DYS #447, with a Genetic Distance of “1”; the second is in DYS #CDYa, with a Genetic Distance of "1"; and the third is in DYS #CDYb, with a Genetic Distance of “2”; therefore, he has a 64/67 DNA Marker match, with a Genetic Distance of “4”. 

(As of June 2008) William Hill, I, Kit # 24699, and Joseph (b.Bef. 1700), Kit #115113, DNA Markers shows a 65/67 DNA Marker match with 2 mutations: one is in the second panel DYS #458, with a Genetic Distance of “1”; the second is in the DYS #CDYa, with a Genetic Distance of “1’; therefore, with William Hill, I, there is a 65/67 DNA Marker match, with a Genetic Distance of “2”. - Ralph Hill, of the Plymouth Colony, 1638, Kit # N13537, and Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), Kit # 97006, have a 66/67 DNA Marker match with Joseph Hill, Kit #115113, the 1st mutation being in the second panel DYS #458 with a Genetic Distance of “1”. - Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066, and Joseph Hill, shows a 64/67 DNA Marker match; there are 3 mutations: one is in the second panel DYS #458, with a Genetic Distance of “1”; the second is in the DYS #CDYa, with a Genetic Distance of "1", and the third is in DYS #CDYb, with a Genetic Distance of “2”; therefore, he has a 64/67 DNA Marker match, with a Genetic Distance of “4”.

Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), Kit # 97006, shows in the second panel DYS #447, and Joseph Hill (Bef. 1700), Kit #115113, shows in the second panel DYS #458, a mutation with each of the other participants. I am assured by Byron Hill, of the Hill DNA Project, that, “These are just simple mutations over time, and are common. You can look at the other DNA Groups and see similar anomalies. I doubt there is an error.” 

Haplogroup predictions: “Some markers (their markers are within this group) have been observed to have a faster-than-average mutation rate, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting lineages into subsets or branches within your family tree.”

William Hill, I, Kit #24699, Ralph Hill, Kit #N13537, and Kit #97006, Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066, and Joseph Hill, Kit #115113, are all tightly related!

Richard Hill, & sister, Catherine Hill, are the 7th generation back counting his ancestor, William Hill, I, Kit #24699. – Jan Saunders’s cousin, Ralph Hill is the 10th generation back counting his ancestor, Ralph Hill, Kit #N13537, of Plymouth Colony in 1638 – Dorian Hill is the 6th generation back counting his ancestor, Jonathan Hill, Kit #54066 – Tyler Colby Hill, is the 10th generation back counting his ancestor, Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), #97006. – Frederick Lee Hill, Jr. is the 9th generation back counting his ancestor, Joseph Hill (Bef. 1700), Kit #115113 - There is a 90% probability that the MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) lived no longer than 8 generations ago. - There is a 95% probability that the MRCA lived no longer than 10 generations ago. 

Very few people achieve this close level of a match. These are remarkable matchs, and there is a very great chance that we need only 1 to 3 generations to find the link. At least we can be pretty sure that it may not be longer than 10 - 11 generations ago altogether. 

Jan Saunders’ and her cousin, Ralph’s ancestor is Ralph Hill, I, (of the Plymouth Colony in 1638), Kit #N13537, and Tyler Colby Hill, his ancestor, Ralph Hill, I (b.1595/1610 ENG-d.1663 MA), #97006 have thus found a common ancestor, Ralph Hill, I, but they are from his different wives. Frederick Lee Hill Jr.’s DNA matches the DNA of Jan, Ralph, and Tyler, therefore although a common ancestor has not as yet been found, he may be descended from Ralph Hill, I. (Do not quote as fact!)

William’s (Kit #24699), son, Peter Hill removed from Fayette Co., PA with family, and the family of Jonathan Hill (Kit #54066), 1807, to Illinois Territory (now St. Clair Co., IL). They were known to have been related, but the connection has been lost.

From: "the BELLEVILLE ADVOCATE" - Belleville, St. Clair Co., IL.
"HILL, died at his home in Freeburg on Thurs, July 2d, 1891, James Hill in the 80th year of his age. Mr. James Hill was one of the oldest residents of St. Clair County....." (James, born 1811, was the son of Peter Hill, I, and Elizabetha Wilderman). "Peter Hill (I) emigrated to this county from Penn about the year 1807. Near that time came also from the same place, another branch of the Hill family, and the Wilderman family, and the Stuntz family. Many strange stories are told of the accidents that happened to these people as they wandered from place to place trying to better their condition. It has passed down into history that a daughter of Jonathan Hill was carried away by a panther and only the partial remains of her dead body were found buried under a log to tell the sad story of her fate.”

HISTORY OF:
The Hill Families’ Search By DNA For Their Roots
A DNA test was taken of Richard Hill, for the HILL FAMILY DNA PROJECT. We have since found a male HILL, who is a cousin of Jan Saunders, who was a 25/25 markers DNA match with Richard Hill. Jan, and her cousin, Ralph Hill, are proven descendants of Ralph Hill, of the Plymouth Colony (Plymouth Plantation), in 1638. The 25/25 DNA markers match proved that our ancestor William Hill, I, of Fayette County, and Crawford, County, Pennsylvania, from 1783 to 1807-1820, who married Mary (Rittenhouse?), and Ralph Hill (born about 1600, died 1663) were related. It meant that we may belong to the same family (clan, or tribe) of HILLs. 

Both have now (2005) had 37 DNA marker tests taken, and the results came in January 2006. Jan's cousin Ralph Hill and Richard Hill show 36/37 DNA markers match with the Ralph Hill, of the Plymouth Colony in 1638. This meant that we are very closely related. The mutation occuring in CDYa, with a Genetic Distance of "1".

Dorian Hill, a descendant of Jonathan Hill, whose family came with Peter Hill, I, to St. Clair Co., IL, entered his DNA about this time, and has, also proved a 36/37 DNA marker match with William Hill, I; the mutation occuring in the CDYb, with a genetic distance of "2", whereas the 36/37 DNA marker mutation between William Hill, I, and Ralph Hill of the Plymouth Colony, was in CDYa, with a genetic distance of "1". The 35/37 DNA marker match of Ralph Hill and Jonathan Hill: the two DNA marker mutations occurred in CDYa and CDYb, with a genetic distance of "3". This means that they are all from the same family (clan, or tribe) of HILLs. Was Jonathan Hill, a nephew or cousin of William Hill, Sr.? 

We have all now, January 2007, received our 67 Y-DNA marker tests, and they have proved to be 66/67 DNA marker matches! Very few people achieve this close level of a match. It is believed that Richard’s ancestor, William Hill’s DNA may be the base line of this Hill family. Jan’s, Ralph Hill, is only off “1” marker and that is in the “CDYa” marker, with a Genetic Distance of “1”, while Dorian’s, Jonathan is off “1” marker in the “CDYb” marker, with a Genetic Distance of “2”. Jan’s, Ralph Hill, and Dorian’s, Jonathan Hill, are off by “2” markers, with a Genetic Distance of “3”, being off in both “CDYa” and “CDYb”. William Hill, I, of Fayette, and Crawford Co.’s in Pennsylvania, and Ralph Hill, of the Plymouth Plantation, Massachusetts in 1638, and Jonathan Hill, whom we believe came with William’s son, Peter Hill, in 1807-1808 to St. Clair Co., Illinois, are all tightly related.

In June 2007, Tyler Colby Hill was found to have a 65/67, DNA marker match with Richard Hill, with 2 mutations with a Genetic Distance of 2 - Tyler has a 66/67 DNA marker match with Jan Saunders, and her cousin Ralph Hill, with 1 mutation, and with a Genetic Distance of 1 (they are related!) - Tyler has a 64/67 DNA marker match with Dorian Hill, Kit #54066, with a Genetic Distance of 4. They are all tightly related.

In July 2008, Frederick Lee Hill, Jr. was found to have a 65/67, DNA marker match with Richard Hill, with 2 mutations with a Genetic Distance of 2 - Frederick has a 66/67 DNA marker match with Jan Saunders, her cousin Ralph Hill, and Tyler Hill, with 1 mutation, with a Genetic Distance of 1; as yet they have no common ancestor with Frederick. - Frederick has a 64/67 DNA marker match with Dorian Hill, Kit #54066, with a Genetic Distance of 4. They are all tightly related.

Tyler Colby Hill's mutation in the second panel #447, and Frederick Lee Hill, Jr.'s mutation in the second panel #458, shows a mutation with each of the other participants. I am assured by Byron Hill, of the Hill DNA Project, that, “These are just simple mutations over time, and are common. You can look at the other DNA Groups and see similar anomalies. I doubt there is an error.” 

Haplogroup predictions: “Some markers (their markers are within this group) have been observed to have a faster-than-average mutation rate, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting lineages into subsets or branches within your family tree.”

Explanation for the 67 Marker Test:
Distance Relation:1-2; TIGHTLY RELATED
65-66/67 You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by only one or two 'points' at only one marker. It's most likely that you matched *36/37 or 37/37 on a previous Y-DNA test. Very few people achieve this close level of a match. All confidence levels are well within the time frame that surnames were adopted in Western Europe.

In perusing the tests results for other Surnames, we find that the HILLs are mostly from England, Ireland, and Scotland; most seem to be from Ireland. In researching, we found that a number of centuries back, HILL Ministers removed from England to Ireland. Later, HILL Ministers removed from Ireland to Holland. Were these our ancestors?

The remarkable thing about all of this is that none of us know one another, and have never met! We have found one another through the Hill Surname DNA Project. We have always heard that another Hill family traveled with Peter Hill, I, to St. Clair County, Illinois about 1807-1808; this was the family of Jonathan Hill and Ruth Maple.

Family tradition says that our HILL family left England, and went to Holland for Religious freedom, and then later, a short time after the Mayflower, our HILL family came to America, stopping off in England on the way. (Source: Ella Hill, from her grandfather, Peter Hill, or her parents, Samuel Arthur Hill, and wife, Nancy Elizabeth Eubanks Hill).


Hill DNA project: http://www.hilldna.com