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Only Krums found in Cherry Valley, Ashtabula Co., Ohio at approx. date of Thatcher's birth (per Civil War pension records) was Peter Krum, age 80, and in the same household Henry and Abel (probably his sons) ages 49 & 44, with their families. Hiram F., Thatcher's father, was 26 at this time. Did not find Hiram F.Krum age 26 in this household, but did find a Hiram Fleming, age 23, listed as living with these Krums and working as a laborer. Perhaps the Fleming is not a last name as it seems in the census, but is a middle name. Still the ages do not match and where are the wife, Mary, and 4 yr old child, Thatcher?
Note:need to see whether Mary and Thatcher are listed in Colby household in 1850 census for Cherry Valley.
1850 census conclusions:
Peter b. abt 1770 NY
Abel b. abt 1806 NY
Henry b. abt 1801 NY
1840 census shows Peter, Henry and Abel as head of households with only Peter and Abel having a son of the age (16) that Hiram would have been. Thus Peter could be either Hiram's father or grandfather. If he is his grandfather then Abel is probably his father. If Peter is his father, then Henry and Abel are probably his brothers.
Peter, Abel, and Henry were born in New York according to the census records of 1850. The AIS for 1820 in New York shows both a Peter and a Henry living in Marbletown, Ulster Co. New York. Abel is not listed. No other county in New York lists both a Henry and a Peter Krum.
Conclusions: Next search location should probably be Marbletown, Ulster Co. NY.
Only Krums found in Cherry Valley, Ashtabula Co., Ohio at approx. date of Thatcher's birth (per Civil War pension records) was Peter Krum, age 80, and in the same household Henry and Abel (probably his sons) ages 49 & 44, with their families. Hiram F., Thatcher's father, was 26 at this time. Did not find Hiram F.Krum age 26 in this household, but did find a Hiram Fleming, age 23, listed as living with these Krums and working as a laborer. Perhaps the Fleming is not a last name as it seems in the census, but is a middle name. Still the ages do not match and where are the wife, Mary, and 4 yr old child, Thatcher?
Note:need to see whether Mary and Thatcher are listed in Colby household in 1850 census for Cherry Valley.
1850 census conclusions:
Peter b. abt 1770 NY
Abel b. abt 1806 NY
Henry b. abt 1801 NY
1840 census shows Peter, Henry and Abel as head of households with only Peter and Abel having a son of the age (16) that Hiram would have been. pPeter is Hiram's father.
Peter, Abel, and Henry were born in New York according to the census records of 1850. The AIS for 1820 in New York shows both a Peter and a Henry living in Marbletown, Ulster Co. New York. Abel is not listed. No other county in New York lists both a Henry and a Peter Krum.
Conclusions: Next search location should probably be Marbletown, Ulster Co. NY.
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OH, ASHTABULA, BIOGRAPHY SOME EARLY KINGSVILLE SETTLERS OHAH 1, 1, SPR 1974
Spouse: Mary COLBY. Hiram F. KRUM and Mary COLBY were married about 1844 in Pennsylvania. Children were: Thatcher M. KRUM, Thalia Lydia KRUM, Howard H. KRUM, Louis Kossuth KRUM, Henry Able KRUM, Emma KRUM, Infant Daughter KRUM.
Hiram Howard KRUM was born in MAY 1874 in Nebraska. Parents: Howard H. KRUM and Ida RHODES.
Howard H. KRUM was born about 1851 in Illinois. He died on 30 APR 1901 at Phillipines. Parents: Hiram F. KRUM and Mary COLBY.
Spouse: Ida RHODES. Howard H. KRUM and Ida RHODES were married about 1874. Children were: Hiram Howard KRUM, Beach Byron KRUM, Rose KRUM, Vine KRUM.
Infant Daughter KRUM was born date unknown. Parents: Hiram F. KRUM and Mary COLBY.
James KRUM was born date unknown. Parents: Arthur Leroy KRUM and Mrs Mary KRUM.
John Henry KRUM was born on 19 NOV 1889 in Tyler, Spokane County, Washington. He died in FEB 1956. Parents: Henry Able KRUM and Clara Matilda Eveline CARRICO.
Spouse: Mrs Neva KRUM. John Henry KRUM and Mrs Neva KRUM were married between 1906 and 1937. Children were: Zella KRUM.
Louis Kossuth KRUM was born in 1853 in Illinois. He died on 17 FEB 1929 at Spokane, Spokane County, Washington. Buried Riverside Cemetery, Spokane, Washington
Parents: Hiram F. KRUM and Mary COLBY.
Spouse: Mrs Martha A. KRUM. Louis Kossuth KRUM and Mrs Martha A. KRUM were married between 1882 and 1912. Children were: Vivian E. KRUM.
Mary Catherine KRUM was born on 15 SEP 1874 in Nebraska. Parents: Thatcher M. KRUM and Angeline Catherine BAIRD.
Merle Bernadine KRUM was born on 9 NOV 1894 in Tyler, Spokane County, Washington. She died on 6 MAR 1990 at Spokane, Spokane County, Washington. Parents: Henry Able KRUM and Clara Matilda Eveline CARRICO.
Spouse: George MANSFIELD. George MANSFIELD and Merle Bernadine KRUM were married between 1908 and 1941. Children were: Madge MANSFIELD, Clare MANSFIELD, Agnes MANSFIELD, Mary Ellen MANSFIELD, Inez MANSFIELD.
Mrs Martha A. KRUM was born in 1870. She died in 1946 at Spokane, Spokane County, Washington. Buried: Riverside Cemetery, Spokane, Spokane County, Washington
Spouse: Louis Kossuth KRUM. Louis Kossuth KRUM and Mrs Martha A. KRUM were married between 1882 and 1912. Children were: Vivian E. KRUM.
Mrs Mary KRUM was born date unknown.
Spouse: Arthur Leroy KRUM. Arthur Leroy KRUM and Mrs Mary KRUM were married date unknown. Children were: Phyliss KRUM, James KRUM.
Mrs Neva KRUM was born between 1885 and 1904.
Spouse: John Henry KRUM. John Henry KRUM and Mrs Neva KRUM were married between 1906 and 1937. Children were: Zella KRUM.
Nancy Belle KRUM was born on 20 MAR 1879 in Nebraska. Parents: Thatcher M. KRUM and Angeline Catherine BAIRD.
Spouse: Mr. MOODY. Mr. MOODY and Nancy Belle KRUM were married between 1893 and 1926.
Phyliss KRUM was born date unknown. Parents: Arthur Leroy KRUM and Mrs Mary KRUM.
Rosa KRUM was born before 1898. She died in 1899. Parents: Henry Able KRUM and Clara Matilda Eveline CARRICO.
Rose KRUM was born about 1885. Parents: Howard H. KRUM and Ida RHODES.
Spouse: Mr. GOETSCHE. Mr. GOETSCHE and Rose KRUM were married about 1905.
Rossie KRUM was born in 1885 in Sprague, Whitman County, Washington. She died in 1889 at Ritzville, Adams County, Washington. Parents: Henry Able KRUM and Clara Matilda Eveline CARRICO.
Roy KRUM was born in MAR 1884 in Sprague, Whitman County, Washington. He died in 1889 at Genesee, Latah County, Idaho. Parents: Henry Able KRUM and Clara Matilda Eveline CARRICO.
Thalia Lydia KRUM was born on 20 JUN 1848 in Cherry Valley, Ashtabula County, Ohio. She died about 1933 at Centralia, Lewis County, Washington. Parents: Hiram F. KRUM and Mary COLBY.
Spouse: John J. OWENS. John J. OWENS and Thalia Lydia KRUM were married about 1868. Children were: Mattie OWENS, Nettie OWENS, Lewis K. OWENS, Louis H. OWENS.
Thatcher M. KRUM was born on 25 FEB 1846 in Cherry Valley, Ashtabula County, Ohio. He died on 10 NOV 1921 at Milford, Seward County, Nebraska. Conflicting information occurs on records:
1900 Fed. census lists Ohio for birthplace
1885 State census (Neb.)gives Ohio for birthplace.
1880 Fed. census for Stanton Village, Stanton Co., Neb. lists Ohio. for birth place...BUT...
1921 death certificate lists Livingston Co., Ill as birthplace. ???
What is his father's name? (guess: Hiram. see below)
Hiriam and a Hiram F. Krum appear on loan/morgtage doc. dated
Are these relatives? More than likely. But are they father and brother, uncle, cousin?
Hiram F. Krum and wife Mary C. Krum of Madison Co., Neb. sell some real estate in 1896. (So Hiram has a wife named Mary and this is the county listed as her residence when Angeline Krum's purchased of land in Stanton Co. NE back in 1875.)
In 1880 H. F. Krum is listed as a widower and living in Clatsop Co., Oregon (coastal Ore.) on a deed which conveys/sells land in Madison Co. Neb..
Should I look for his death certificate or land transactions in Oregon to see what his relationship was to Thatcher? Maybe he's Thatcher's father, but even if he's Thatcher's brother, his death certificate might list their father and mother. (Follow up needed here)
In 1897 Thatcher and Angeline signed a quit claim deed to land in Madison Co. Neb. For $1 they gave up land in Madison Co. But notary signed in Stanton Co. (Apparently they were living in Stanton Co. NE in 1897 still.
Therefore, should be able to find them there in 1900 census. (need to look)
Also deed record in Madison Co. NE turned up a L. K. Krum (unmarried) in 1881 who sold to a Horace Haskin of DeKalb Co. IL. while living himself in the territory of Washington, Walla Walla Co. (How does he fit into all this and are either of these other counties/state areas meriting search?)
Checked county map of Illinois: DeKalb Co. and Livinston Co. are near each other. Should check census indexes for Krums in those counties of Ill.(also adjacent Grundy, Kendall, Kane & LaSalle) during years 1846-1881 and copy if Krums found. They are probably related and tracing their roots may uncover my Thatcher's ancestors.
Notes from pension papers:
Born Ashatabula Co., Ohio on Feb. 25th 1846. Enlisted in Chicago, Illinois while living in Livingston Co. Ill. His post office address at that time was Odell, Illnois and he was a farmer. He was discharged on July 25th 1865 in Chicago, Illinois. Since discharge he has lived in Odell, Ill. from 1865 to 1868 and Stanton Nebraska 1868 to 1904. Occupation in 1904 was farmer and he was 5 ft. 9 inches and weighted 165 lbs. His eyes were grey and his hair color was "light" as was his complexion. No scars (see pension paper dated Oct. 22 1904).
Additional notes from pension paper dated May 25th 1912:
Residences since leaving service stated as Illinois 5 years, Iowa one year (Crawford Co.), and since that time in Nebraska, mostly in Stanton Co.
His pension was $50 a month in 1921 when his name was dropped due to death.
Angeline C. Krum was listed on drop report-pensioner on because of death apr 20 1930 . living at Burkett, Neb. (Memo:write for her death certificate). She was receiving $40 a month at that time.
SOURCES: (1). War Pension files: The National Archive. cert. #942292. Pensioner: Angeline C., widow of Veteran: Thatcher M. Krum Can # 68854 #5; (2). Microfilm Reel #2 film RG18 Nebraska Adjutant General G.A.R. Civil War Veteran's; (3). Burial #16-232: lists Krum, Thatcher, buried Milford (city) in Seward Co. Neb. Cemetery: Blue Mound, Lot 542., date of death: Nov 10, 1921, etc. (see photocopy in file). Parents: Hiram F. KRUM and Mary COLBY.
Spouse: Francis FALSENBEE\FABEREGER. Thatcher M. KRUM and Francis FALSENBEE\FABEREGER were married on 20 MAR 1867 in Livingston, Madison County, Illinois.
Spouse: Angeline Catherine BAIRD. Thatcher M. KRUM and Angeline Catherine BAIRD were married on 3 OCT 1872 in Madison, Madison County, Nebraska. Children were: Henry C. KRUM, Mary Catherine KRUM, Eva May KRUM, Nancy Belle KRUM.
Vine KRUM was born about 1895. Parents: Howard H. KRUM and Ida RHODES.
Spouse: Mr. HENDERSON. Mr. HENDERSON and Vine KRUM were married about 1915.
Vivian E. KRUM was born between 1882 and 1910. Parents: Louis Kossuth KRUM and Mrs Martha A. KRUM.
Spouse: Mr BABCOCK. Mr BABCOCK and Vivian E. KRUM were married between 1898 and 1943.
Zella KRUM was born date unknown. Parents: John Henry KRUM and Mrs Neva KRUM.
Otto KUBE was born on 22 JUL 1883 in Germany. He appeared in the census on 7 APR 1930 in Salina, Sevier County, Utah. He died on 8 JUN 1945 at Salina, Sevier County, Utah. He was buried in the East Side Cemetery at Salina, Sevier County, Utah
Spouse: Katie Fredricka CRANE. Otto KUBE and Katie Fredricka CRANE were married on 18 APR 1923.
Dorothy Ann KUNG was born about 1910. She was a Cook.
Spouse: Lorn James NORTHUP. Lorn James NORTHUP and Dorothy Ann KUNG were married about 1935. Children were: Patricia Clare NORTHUP.
Harriett E. KYES was born on 8 OCT 1864 in Groton, Tompkins County, New York. She died on 30 SEP 1927 at Owego, Tioga County, New York.
Spouse: Frank E. COLBY. Frank E. COLBY and Harriett E. KYES were married on 2 MAR 1883 in Groton, Tompkins County, New York. They appeared in the census on 1 JUN 1900 in Owego, Tioga County, New York. Children were: Clara COLBY, Hurlburt P. COLBY.
Martha Ann LA DUKE was born on 8 SEP 1845 in Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts. Daughter of Lewis W. La Duke & Martha Merrill. She appeared in the census in 1880 in Manchester, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire. She died on 21 AUG 1923 at Manchester, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire. She was buried on 23 AUG 1923 in the Pine Grove Cementery at Manchester, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire She has Ancestral File Number 3N3B-PR.
Spouse: Franklin Pierce COLBY. Franklin Pierce COLBY and Martha Ann LA DUKE were married on 8 SEP 1868 in Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts. Children were: Hermon Wellington COLBY, Alice Gertrude COLBY, Ethel Louise COLBY.
Sylvia Jean LABELLE was born on 9 AUG 1936 in Whitman, Plymouth County, Massachusetts.
Spouse: Carlos Greenleaf MILLETT. Carlos Greenleaf MILLETT and Sylvia Jean LABELLE were married on 23 OCT 1954. Children were: David Bruce MILLETT, Glenn Stephen MILLETT, Karen Lynne MILLETT.
Byron LABONTE was born about 1912 in Quebec, Canada. Parents: David LABONTE and Nora Almeda COATES.
David LABONTE died on 24 JUL 1958 at Sand Hill, Quebec, Canada.
Spouse: Nora Almeda COATES. David LABONTE and Nora Almeda COATES were married on 25 DEC 1905 in Quebec, Canada. Children were: Evelyn Doris LABONTE, Norma LABONTE, Elaine LABONTE, Byron LABONTE.
Elaine LABONTE was born about 1910 in Quebec, Canada. Parents: David LABONTE and Nora Almeda COATES.
Evelyn Doris LABONTE was born about 1906 in Quebec, Canada. Parents: David LABONTE and Nora Almeda COATES.
Norma LABONTE was born about 1908 in Quebec, Canada. Parents: David LABONTE and Nora Almeda COATES.
Bernard Wayne LABOUNTY was born on 7 SEP 1942.
Spouse: Laurie Faye COLBY. Bernard Wayne LABOUNTY and Laurie Faye COLBY were married on 14 JUL 1962 in Lunenburg, Essex County, Vermont. (SOURCE: Ancestry.com; Vermont Marriage Records, 1909-2008.)
Claribel B. LABRIE was born about 1897. Parents: Edward E. LABRIE and Cora Jane COLBY.
Edward E. LABRIE was born on 19 JAN 1873 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.
Spouse: Cora Jane COLBY. Edward E. LABRIE and Cora Jane COLBY were married on 1 NOV 1894 in Mapleton, Cass County, North Dakota. Children were: Effie Fern LABRIE, Claribel B. LABRIE.
Effie Fern LABRIE was born on 31 AUG 1895. (SOURCE: "Genealogical sketch of the Andrew Putnam family Conneaut, Ohio?: unknown, 1919, 31 pgs. Job Barnard.) Parents: Edward E. LABRIE and Cora Jane COLBY.
Spouse: Valdemer MENDENHALL. Valdemer MENDENHALL and Effie Fern LABRIE were married on 22 DEC 1913 in Vancouver Barracks, Clark County, Washington. Children were: Winona Gertrude MENDENHALL.
Allen Young LADD (twin) was born on 4 AUG 1853 in Sanbornton, Belknap County, New Hampshire. He has Ancestral File Number 11SR-47V. Parents: Langdon LADD and Sylvania COLBY.
Alonzo LADD was born on 3 NOV 1822. Parents: John LADD and Dolly COLBY.
Anna Alice LADD was born on 17 JUL 1850 in Le Roy, Genesee County, New York. Parents: Thomas Colby LADD and Lucy WALKER.
Arthur Bassett LADD was born on 8 NOV 1871 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. He died on 4 JUN 1930 at Buffalo, Erie County, New York. He was buried in 1930 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. Information from Forest Lawn Cemetery records, tombstone dates.
Spousal information confirmed by Ruth Ladd Grove(my maternal grandmother. Parents: James Smith LADD and Abbie Fessenden BASSETT.
Spouse: Beatrice Pauline KEYS. Arthur Bassett LADD and Beatrice Pauline KEYS were married about 1898. Children were: Ethyl LADD, Polly LADD.
Arthur Stuart LADD was born on 17 JAN 1838 in Sanbornton, Belknap County, New Hampshire. He has Ancestral File Number 11SM-FZF. Parents: Langdon LADD and Sylvania COLBY.
Bertha McKee LADD was born on 23 AUG 1882 in Indiana. She appeared in the census on 2 APR 1930 in San Bernardino, San Bernardino County, California. She died on 16 MAY 1956 at Los Angeles County, California.
Spouse: George Everett COLBY. George Everett COLBY and Bertha McKee LADD were married about 1903. Children were: Eva N. COLBY, Mabel Allene COLBY, Kastrena A. COLBY.
Carlton Eastman LADD was born on 16 APR 1873 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. He died on 2 OCT 1936 at Buffalo, Erie County, New York. He was buried on 5 OCT 1936 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. Defended President McKinley's assassin as junior partner in firm.
Buried in Bassett plot in Forest Lawn Cemetery Section 12, Lot No. 62, Grave No.12.
Died from Coronary Thrombosis;Undertaker was E.L. Brady & Son.
From obituary "...He was graduated from the Old Central high school and in 1893 from Cornel l university. He studied at the University of Buffalo Law school. While attending Cornell h e studied under Charles Evans Hughes, chief justice of the United States Supreme court, who a t that time was lecturing at the university.
"While at Cornell Mr. Ladd was elected member of Phi Beta Kappa, honorary scholastic frat ernity, and was a member of the editorial staffs of the Cornell Era and the Cornell Magazine , weekly and monthly college publications. He was orator of his class upon graduation."
"Returning to Buffalo after receiving his bachelor of arts degree from Cornell,Mr. Lad d continued his study of the law at the University of Buffalo while serving his clerkship i n the office of Lewis, Moot & Lewis."
Formed Partnership
"After admission to the bar he formed a partnership with Robert C.Titus, former Suprem e court justice, under the firm name of Titus & Ladd. When Mr. Titus was assigned to defend L eon Czolgosz, assassin of President William McKinley, Mr. Ladd was made junior counsel for th e defense."
"Mr. Ladd's second partnership was with Freerick C. Bissel. Later he formed an associati on with Adolph Rebadow, which continued for eight years. After Mr. Rebadow death Mr. Ladd pra cticed law alone for 15 years."
"Mr. Ladd married Miss Mary Babcock, of Buffalo, who died several years ago. Mr. Ladd' s second wife was Miss Evadne Minehan, formerly assistant principal of School 56. Mr. Ladd wa s the father of two daughters, Miss Dorothy B. Ladd and Mrs. Ruth Ladd Grove, the latter of W illiamsville, a brother Walter M. Ladd also survives...." Parents: James Smith LADD and Abbie Fessenden BASSETT.
Spouse: Mary Carpenter BABCOCK "Bright". Carlton Eastman LADD and Mary Carpenter BABCOCK "Bright" were married about 1902. Children were: Ruth Bassett LADD, Dorothy Babcock LADD.
Carlton Thomas LADD was born on 9 MAR 1847 in Le Roy, Genesee County, New York. He died in 1907. He was buried in Le Roy, Genesee County, New York. Parents: Thomas Colby LADD and Lucy WALKER.
Spouse: Mary FEENEY. Carlton Thomas LADD and Mary FEENEY were married on 8 FEB 1878.
Carter LADD was born on 13 FEB 1841 in Sanbornton, Belknap County, New Hampshire. He has Ancestral File Number 11SK-ZRN. He was also known as Curtis B. Ladd. Parents: Langdon LADD and Sylvania COLBY.
Charles Coleman LADD was born on 6 NOV 1875 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. He died on 31 MAR 1914 at Buffalo, Erie County, New York. He was buried in 1914 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. Birthdate calculated from data provided by Forest Lawn with age at date of death as 38 yrs, 4 mos,25 days.
cause of death was typhoid.
Middle name from article in society page concerning a luncheon held by the wives!!! Parents: James Smith LADD and Abbie Fessenden BASSETT.
Charles Walker LADD was born on 21 SEP 1836 in Le Roy, Genesee County, New York. He died on 13 DEC 1858 at Aurelius, Cayuga County, New York. Parents: Thomas Colby LADD and Lucy WALKER.
Spouse: Jennie SCHUYLER. Charles Walker LADD and Jennie SCHUYLER were married in MAR 1872.
Dorothy Babcock LADD was born on 1 NOV 1903 in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. She died at Buffalo, Erie County, New York. She was buried in Buffalo, Erie County, New York. Suffered from Parkinson's disease
From Buffalo newspaper story on Carlton Ladd we have the following: "He has two daughters, Do rothy B.,who is a graduate of the Buffalo Seminary and Pine Manor where she studied music..." Parents: Carlton Eastman LADD and Mary Carpenter BABCOCK "Bright".
Edward LADD was born on 22 MAR 1773 in Belmont, Belknap County, New Hampshire. (SOURCE: FHL Film: 1001013; Index to births, early to 1900 New Hampshire. Registrar of Vital Statistics.) He died on 14 JUL 1820. Parents: Samuel LADD and Abigail FLANDERS.
Spouse: Hannah HOYT. Edward LADD and Hannah HOYT were married on 3 JUL 1798 in Sanbornton, Belknap County, New Hampshire. Children were: Langdon LADD.
