Copestake and Mountney Newsletter 1

 

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Mounteney Research Newsletter Number 1 3rd June 1995


I thought that people who have sent me letters and often vast quantities of information might like to be kept in touch with other people researching Mountaney ancestors. Well this is the first set of correspondence.

THE BACKGROUND

I have been tracing my family history since 1987. Whilst researching the Copestakes of Derbyshire I discovered the marriage of Ann Mountany and Henry Copestick in 1818 at St Werberg, Derby, Derbyshire. I have become facinated with the surname and its origins. I believe that I can prove the family back to 1100AD using the information you have all sent in as well as my own researches.

ORIGIN OF THE SURNAME

I think that the family is decended from Robert of Mortain the half brother of William the Conqueror!!! The name almost certainly originated from the place district in France.

SURNAME VARIANTS of Mounteney

These are the variants of spelling of the Surname that I have listed (I am sure there are others, please tell me if you know of any I have missed:
de Munteny, Mounteny, de Muntein, Mountenay, Mounteneye, Mounteney, Mountane, Mountnay, Mountaigne, Monntegne, Mountagne, Mowntayne, Mountaine, Mountenney, Montaigne, Mountayne, Mountaine, de Mountanys Plaine, Mountany

SURNAME VARIANTS of Copestake

The variants for Copestake are: Coupstak, Coupestack, Copstake, Cowpstake, Coupstake, Cobstake

HERALDRY

All the Mountaneys seem to be related to each other of linked descent. There is also a Heraldry of a "Bend between six martlets" which ties the Mountaney family together and could prove links with the Heraldry of the Furnival family.

LAND OWNING

The Mountaney family was a major land owner which may be due to their possible link with William the Conqueror. Their lands were very well distributed around England. Some of the places are: Newbold Verdon, Leicestershire
Old Newton, Suffolk
Mountnessing, Essex
and Ecclesfield in Yorkshire just to name a few.

The earlier part of this newsletter is very brief and I hope to expand on this in detail in future newsletters.

THE ONE NAME STUDY

As the amount of information increased Lynn Taylor and I decided to register as a one name study with the Guild of One Name Studies for the names Mountaney and Copestake.

THE RECORDS

1) COMPUTER RECORDS

I am gradually computerising all the records. The system I am using is an AMSTRAD PCW 9512 (Much Expanded) and I use LOCOFILE for a bibliography and a research database (Called SIMON INDEX) which records unlinked information. Information that can be linked to the main family tree is kept on Personal Ancestral File software. If anyone has a PCW I can send you information on disc. Also you can send me information on PCW discs (both 3" and 3" format and PC 5.25" 360K format only!) I also use a desk top publisher and a word processor to write letters and this newsletter.

2) THE REST!
I also have a number of rather confused (unlike me!) boxes which are unindexed as well as an number of unindexed note books!

I hope you enjoy our first issue and feel that it is your newsletter as much as mine. Please contribute articles and I will try my best to distribute them. Newsletters will be irregular and done when time permits or when there is enough information to publish.

WOULD YOU LIKE A GATHERING?

It may be possible to have a day event, if anyone would like to organise one please contact me.

WHO ELSE IS ON THE MAILING LIST?

Listed below are the people on the mailing list. If you want your address printed, so that others can write to you, please tell me.

Name Interest
Simon Martin One Name Study, Coordinator, Newsletter Editor, Central Record Keeping, and has a particular interest in medieval records.
Name Interest
The Guild of One Name Studies
Receive a copy of the newsletter for their files. We do need somewhere else to deposit a copy of the newsletter for future researches (any ideas?)
Mrs P. J. Fisher The surname MOUNTAIN
Joyce Halliwell Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
Sylvia Higginson Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
David Jarman Pleydell One Name Study
Roger Jennens Mountaneys of Derbyshire
Betty Kellogg Sarah Mountney, Married 30 April 1793 of Quorndon, Leicestershire
Myra Mainey Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
Mavis Martin Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
Eve Parry Mountaneys of Derbyshire
John Pleydell Pleydell One Name Study
Janet & Lee Richardson, Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann
Mountany
Guy Stapleton Mountaney researcher
Susan Stepp Gadsby of Snelston
Lynn Taylor Mountaney researcher and Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
D.R. Taylor Copestake family
Paula, Lucy & Sophie Webster, Descendants of Henry Copestake
and Ann Mountany
Joyce White Mountaneys of Derbyshire
Phyllis Williams Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany

PUBLICITY

I have recently written to the following Family History Societies to announce our existence and request details

FH SOCIETY TOLD THEM ABOUT DETAILS RECD LIST OF PUBLICATIONS MIGHT ANNOUNCE OUR GROUP
MOUNTENYS IN OF FHS RECEIVED AND FILED IN THEIR NEXT NEWSLETTER


DERBYSHIRE Derbyshire Yes Yes very full list Letter passed to editor
Strays,1851 Census etc. for inclusion in next mag.
MIs, Directories, Books
To get a copy of the publications list write with SAE to:
Derbyshire FHS, Mrs Linda Bull, 17 Penrhyn Avenue, Littleover, Derby, DE23 6LB
If you get copies of any of the publications please send any Mountaney or Copestake entries to Simon Martin.

DONCASTER Doncaster Yes Yes and Doncaster Short notice in next
Parishes Map Newsletter

ESSEX Mountnessing Not yet received reply

LEICESTERSHIRE. Newbold Verdon & Yes Yes (Marriage Index, Passed details to Members
Leicestershire Cemetery Rec., PRs etc) Interests

SHEFFIELD Ecclesfield Yes Yes, Hearth Tax, Wills Passed to editor for a future
1861 Census etc. issue.


LONG TIME NO HEAR!!

Where is that Simon Martin?

I was married to Rachel Eastland on the 8th October 1994 in Wigan. I am sorry it has taken so long to reply to some letters, but what with courting (travelling to London and back) and getting a house sorted etc. Apart from amending my own family tree with this one marriage, my researches stopped for a while.

Please note my new address.

IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
the MOUNTAINS and the MOUNTANYS

One Name Study: Mountaigne

My family tree includes Richard and Mary Mountain, married at St Peters Liverpool, children born from 4 May 1780 - 22 Nov 1799 (+ possibly others?) and also Richard and Margaret Mountain (daughter Mary bap 1818).

Would these Mountain's be included within your study of Mountaigne's? Are you able to Offer any other information to help me?

Yours sincerely
Mrs Fisher

Dear Mrs Fisher

I am very interested by your Mountains. I believe that some Mountains are descended from the Mountanys. Also there is a quite distinct separate group of families which carry the Mountain name not related to the Mountanys. I think there is a possibility of a link as Richard is a Norman name which has been passed on through the Mountanys since the 11th Century.

I have also logged lots of Mountains on my database in my Mountany researches but do not have anything inmmediately relevant. But there do seem to be lots in Yorkshire. Most of my indexes are to material of the 1500s and 1600s. For example there are a couple of Richard Mountains from the Yorkshire Hearth Tax returns.

If anyone can help please send your letter via Simon Martin.

A LETTER FROM CANADA

Betty Kellogg writes:
Re One-name Study of MOUNTNEY

I am searching for the birth date, birth place and parents of Sarah MOUNTNEY, "of the Parish of Quorndon (Leics)". My Husband's great x 4 grandmother, she, spinster, m. 30 April 1793 in the Parish Church, by Banns, William HOLMES, (ch 30 Nov 1772) of Quorndon Parish, labourer. We are aware of two of their children: Mary HOLMES, ch 24 Sep 1797, Quorndon, and Francis HOLMES, (b/ch?) 7 Sep 1800. If you have any information which you would be willing to share about this Sarah MOUNTNEY, her pedigree, and/or any additional children I would be most grateful.

Please could someone help Betty, as she has done a lot of work on the Canadian ship the Ebba Brahe 1853 (Whose ships bell is our dinner gong in Petticoat Lane!!)


SOME MOUNTAINS, MOUNTAINEYS? WHO WENT TO CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY

Source: Venn, J. Venn, J.A. Alumni Cantabrigienses, CUP. 1922

Thomas of Wistow Yorks
|
|-------------|----------|
Issac George Francis
| (Archbishop)
|---------|
George James

MOUNTAINE, FRANCIS. Marticulation (the formal admission of a student into the University as distinguished from his admission to a College. It occurred in each of the three terms, Lent, Easter, Michaelmas) sizar (Third rank of matriculation in old times sizars performed many menial services) from ST CATHERINE'S College, Easter, 1575. Probably s. of Thomas of Wistow, Yorks., notary public.

MOUNTAIN, GEORGE. Admitted Fellow-Commoner [first rank of Matriculation] at CLARE, June 15, 1638. Doubtless s. of Isaac, of Wistow, Yorks., and nephew of George (the Archbishop). Matriculation 1640. Of Wistow, Esq. Age 46 in 1666. Royalist; in arms at Newark. He and his father compounded. Married Mary dau. of Sir Thomas Gower, of Stittenham, Yorks. Buried at Wistow, Sept. 12, 1669. Memorial Inscription. Will York. Brother of James (1638). (Vis. of Yorks., 1666.)

MOUNTAIN, JAMES. Admitted pensioner (2nd rank of Matriculatian), at CLARE, June 15, 1638 [same as George (above)]. Doubtless s. of Issac, of Wistow, Yorks. Matriculated 1639; B.A. 1641-2: M.A. 1645. Fellow, 1643. Died Nov. 2, 1697. Buried at St Michael-le-Belfrey, York. Brother of George (The Archbishop).

WHAT NO FAMILY TREE?

Guy Stapleton and Roger Jennens have both sent in major revisions to the main family tree. I do not feel confident at this time to print a definitive tree as they have both displayed new evidence which has questioned the accuracy of some parts of the previously published family tree. I am working on a definitive tree for the future.

LARGE MOUNTNEY dies in Lancashire and there has to be a coroner's inquest:

Lancashire Record Office, Quarter Sessions Records record this entry which is the only entry I can think of for a Lancashire Mountney: 1848 coroner's account for inquisition post mortem on Large Mountney at New Accrington. [QSP 3326/101]
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October Sessions 1848, Blackburn Hundred, Coroners Account

The account does not supply many details but is as follows:
1848 14 October account of feees and expenses of John Hargreaves, coroner.

Inquest No 13, Date July 15th 1848, Names of persons on whom inquests held - Large Mountney, Where Held - New Accrington, Coroners fee œ1:6s:8d
Paid for use of room 3s:6d
Paid the other witnesses under named
James Clitheroe 2s
Henry Whittle 2s
Betty Mountney 6d [Could be a relative according to archivist]

FURTHER RESEARCH UNDERWAY

Simon Martin has a lot of informtion which he is collating and is hoping to publish the results, in a digestable form, in the pages of future newsletters.

Guy Stapleton having completed a major project on the Mounteneys of Leicestershire (This will apear in the next newsletter) is now embarking on producing a family tree for the Mounteneys of London, we all look foward to this reports. If you have any London Mounteneys please send you information to Simon Martin who will forward them onto Guy.

These other articles enclosed:
Page
7-8 A facinating account of the family history of the Large
Mountney, by Eve Parry
8-9 Dictionary of National Biography entries, for interest
10 A medieval Document witnessed by John Mounteney of
Mountnessing, Essex
11 Transcripition and translation from latin of the Quit Claim on page 10 from the book by K.C. Newton, Medieval Local Records. A quit claim is a formal discharge or release of property so it is no longer his property. The person who releases the property therefore can make on further claim against the property.
12 An article from the Guardian regarding Montaigne the
Philosopher (not a real Mounteney at all!)

 

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