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Mounteney Research Newsletter
Number 1 3rd June 1995
I thought that people who have sent me letters and often vast
quantities of information might like to be kept in touch with
other people researching Mountaney ancestors. Well this is the
first set of correspondence.
THE BACKGROUND
I have been tracing my family history since 1987. Whilst
researching the Copestakes of Derbyshire I discovered the
marriage of Ann Mountany and Henry Copestick in 1818 at St
Werberg, Derby, Derbyshire. I have become facinated with the
surname and its origins. I believe that I can prove the family
back to 1100AD using the information you have all sent in as well
as my own researches.
ORIGIN OF THE SURNAME
I think that the family is decended from Robert of Mortain the
half brother of William the Conqueror!!! The name almost
certainly originated from the place district in France.
SURNAME VARIANTS of Mounteney
These are the variants of spelling of the Surname that I have
listed (I am sure there are others, please tell me if you know of
any I have missed:
de Munteny, Mounteny, de Muntein, Mountenay, Mounteneye,
Mounteney, Mountane, Mountnay, Mountaigne, Monntegne, Mountagne,
Mowntayne, Mountaine, Mountenney, Montaigne, Mountayne,
Mountaine, de Mountanys Plaine, Mountany
SURNAME VARIANTS of Copestake
The variants for Copestake are: Coupstak, Coupestack, Copstake,
Cowpstake, Coupstake, Cobstake
HERALDRY
All the Mountaneys seem to be related to each other of linked
descent. There is also a Heraldry of a "Bend between six
martlets" which ties the Mountaney family together and could
prove links with the Heraldry of the Furnival family.
LAND OWNING
The Mountaney family was a major land owner which may be due to
their possible link with William the Conqueror. Their lands were
very well distributed around England. Some of the places are:
Newbold Verdon, Leicestershire
Old Newton, Suffolk
Mountnessing, Essex
and Ecclesfield in Yorkshire just to name a few.
The earlier part of this newsletter is very brief and I hope to
expand on this in detail in future newsletters.
THE ONE NAME STUDY
As the amount of information increased Lynn Taylor and I decided
to register as a one name study with the Guild of One Name
Studies for the names Mountaney and Copestake.
THE RECORDS
1) COMPUTER RECORDS
I am gradually computerising all the records. The system I am
using is an AMSTRAD PCW 9512 (Much Expanded) and I use LOCOFILE
for a bibliography and a research database (Called SIMON INDEX)
which records unlinked information. Information that can be
linked to the main family tree is kept on Personal Ancestral File
software. If anyone has a PCW I can send you information on disc.
Also you can send me information on PCW discs (both 3" and 3«"
format and PC 5.25" 360K format only!) I also use a desk top
publisher and a word processor to write letters and this
newsletter.
2) THE REST!
I also have a number of rather confused (unlike me!) boxes which
are unindexed as well as an number of unindexed note books!
I hope you enjoy our first issue and feel that it is your
newsletter as much as mine. Please contribute articles and I will
try my best to distribute them. Newsletters will be irregular and
done when time permits or when there is enough information to
publish.
WOULD YOU LIKE A GATHERING?
It may be possible to have a day event, if anyone would like to
organise one please contact me.
WHO ELSE IS ON THE MAILING LIST?
Listed below are the people on the mailing list. If you want your
address printed, so that others can write to you, please tell me.
Name Interest
Simon Martin One Name Study, Coordinator, Newsletter Editor,
Central Record Keeping, and has a particular interest in medieval
records.
Name Interest
The Guild of One Name Studies
Receive a copy of the newsletter for their files. We do need
somewhere else to deposit a copy of the newsletter for future
researches (any ideas?)
Mrs P. J. Fisher The surname MOUNTAIN
Joyce Halliwell Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
Sylvia Higginson Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
David Jarman Pleydell One Name Study
Roger Jennens Mountaneys of Derbyshire
Betty Kellogg Sarah Mountney, Married 30 April 1793 of Quorndon,
Leicestershire
Myra Mainey Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
Mavis Martin Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
Eve Parry Mountaneys of Derbyshire
John Pleydell Pleydell One Name Study
Janet & Lee Richardson, Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann
Mountany
Guy Stapleton Mountaney researcher
Susan Stepp Gadsby of Snelston
Lynn Taylor Mountaney researcher and Descendant of Henry
Copestake and Ann Mountany
D.R. Taylor Copestake family
Paula, Lucy & Sophie Webster, Descendants of Henry Copestake
and Ann Mountany
Joyce White Mountaneys of Derbyshire
Phyllis Williams Descendant of Henry Copestake and Ann Mountany
PUBLICITY
I have recently written to the following Family History Societies
to announce our existence and request details
FH SOCIETY TOLD THEM ABOUT DETAILS RECD
LIST OF PUBLICATIONS MIGHT ANNOUNCE OUR GROUP
MOUNTENYS IN OF FHS RECEIVED AND FILED IN THEIR NEXT NEWSLETTER
DERBYSHIRE Derbyshire Yes Yes very
full list Letter passed to editor
Strays,1851 Census etc. for inclusion in next mag.
MIs, Directories, Books
To get a copy of the publications list write with SAE to:
Derbyshire FHS, Mrs Linda Bull, 17 Penrhyn Avenue, Littleover,
Derby, DE23 6LB
If you get copies of any of the publications please send any
Mountaney or Copestake entries to Simon Martin.
DONCASTER Doncaster Yes Yes and
Doncaster Short notice in next
Parishes Map Newsletter
ESSEX Mountnessing Not yet received
reply
LEICESTERSHIRE. Newbold Verdon &
Yes Yes (Marriage Index, Passed details to Members
Leicestershire Cemetery Rec., PRs etc) Interests
SHEFFIELD Ecclesfield Yes Yes,
Hearth Tax, Wills Passed to editor for a future
1861 Census etc. issue.
LONG TIME NO HEAR!!
Where is that Simon Martin?
I was married to Rachel Eastland on the 8th October 1994 in Wigan.
I am sorry it has taken so long to reply to some letters, but
what with courting (travelling to London and back) and getting a
house sorted etc. Apart from amending my own family tree with
this one marriage, my researches stopped for a while.
Please note my new address.
IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
the MOUNTAINS and the MOUNTANYS
One Name Study: Mountaigne
My family tree includes Richard and Mary Mountain, married at St
Peters Liverpool, children born from 4 May 1780 - 22 Nov 1799 (+
possibly others?) and also Richard and Margaret Mountain (daughter
Mary bap 1818).
Would these Mountain's be included within your study of
Mountaigne's? Are you able to Offer any other information to help
me?
Yours sincerely
Mrs Fisher
Dear Mrs Fisher
I am very interested by your Mountains. I believe that some
Mountains are descended from the Mountanys. Also there is a quite
distinct separate group of families which carry the Mountain name
not related to the Mountanys. I think there is a possibility of a
link as Richard is a Norman name which has been passed on through
the Mountanys since the 11th Century.
I have also logged lots of Mountains on my database in my
Mountany researches but do not have anything inmmediately
relevant. But there do seem to be lots in Yorkshire. Most of my
indexes are to material of the 1500s and 1600s. For example there
are a couple of Richard Mountains from the Yorkshire Hearth Tax
returns.
If anyone can help please send your letter via Simon Martin.
A LETTER FROM CANADA
Betty Kellogg writes:
Re One-name Study of MOUNTNEY
I am searching for the birth date, birth place and parents of
Sarah MOUNTNEY, "of the Parish of Quorndon (Leics)". My
Husband's great x 4 grandmother, she, spinster, m. 30 April 1793
in the Parish Church, by Banns, William HOLMES, (ch 30 Nov 1772)
of Quorndon Parish, labourer. We are aware of two of their
children: Mary HOLMES, ch 24 Sep 1797, Quorndon, and Francis
HOLMES, (b/ch?) 7 Sep 1800. If you have any information which you
would be willing to share about this Sarah MOUNTNEY, her
pedigree, and/or any additional children I would be most grateful.
Please could someone help Betty, as she has done a lot of work on
the Canadian ship the Ebba Brahe 1853 (Whose ships bell is our
dinner gong in Petticoat Lane!!)
SOME MOUNTAINS, MOUNTAINEYS? WHO WENT TO
CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY
Source: Venn, J. Venn, J.A. Alumni Cantabrigienses, CUP. 1922
Thomas of Wistow Yorks
|
|-------------|----------|
Issac George Francis
| (Archbishop)
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George James
MOUNTAINE, FRANCIS. Marticulation (the
formal admission of a student into the University as
distinguished from his admission to a College. It occurred in
each of the three terms, Lent, Easter, Michaelmas) sizar (Third
rank of matriculation in old times sizars performed many menial
services) from ST CATHERINE'S College, Easter, 1575. Probably s.
of Thomas of Wistow, Yorks., notary public.
MOUNTAIN, GEORGE. Admitted Fellow-Commoner
[first rank of Matriculation] at CLARE, June 15, 1638. Doubtless
s. of Isaac, of Wistow, Yorks., and nephew of George (the
Archbishop). Matriculation 1640. Of Wistow, Esq. Age 46 in 1666.
Royalist; in arms at Newark. He and his father compounded.
Married Mary dau. of Sir Thomas Gower, of Stittenham, Yorks.
Buried at Wistow, Sept. 12, 1669. Memorial Inscription. Will York.
Brother of James (1638). (Vis. of Yorks., 1666.)
MOUNTAIN, JAMES. Admitted pensioner
(2nd rank of Matriculatian), at CLARE, June 15, 1638 [same as
George (above)]. Doubtless s. of Issac, of Wistow, Yorks.
Matriculated 1639; B.A. 1641-2: M.A. 1645. Fellow, 1643. Died Nov.
2, 1697. Buried at St Michael-le-Belfrey, York. Brother of George
(The Archbishop).
WHAT NO FAMILY TREE?
Guy Stapleton and Roger Jennens have both sent in major revisions
to the main family tree. I do not feel confident at this time to
print a definitive tree as they have both displayed new evidence
which has questioned the accuracy of some parts of the previously
published family tree. I am working on a definitive tree for the
future.
LARGE MOUNTNEY dies in Lancashire and there
has to be a coroner's inquest:
Lancashire Record Office, Quarter Sessions Records record this
entry which is the only entry I can think of for a Lancashire
Mountney: 1848 coroner's account for inquisition post mortem on
Large Mountney at New Accrington. [QSP 3326/101]
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October Sessions 1848, Blackburn Hundred, Coroners Account
The account does not supply many details but is as follows:
1848 14 October account of feees and expenses of John Hargreaves,
coroner.
Inquest No 13, Date July 15th 1848, Names of persons on whom
inquests held - Large Mountney, Where Held - New Accrington,
Coroners fee œ1:6s:8d
Paid for use of room 3s:6d
Paid the other witnesses under named
James Clitheroe 2s
Henry Whittle 2s
Betty Mountney 6d [Could be a relative according to archivist]
FURTHER RESEARCH UNDERWAY
Simon Martin has a lot of informtion which he is collating and is
hoping to publish the results, in a digestable form, in the pages
of future newsletters.
Guy Stapleton having completed a major project on the Mounteneys
of Leicestershire (This will apear in the next newsletter) is now
embarking on producing a family tree for the Mounteneys of
London, we all look foward to this reports. If you have any
London Mounteneys please send you information to Simon Martin who
will forward them onto Guy.
These other articles enclosed:
Page
7-8 A facinating account of the family history of the Large
Mountney, by Eve Parry
8-9 Dictionary of National Biography entries, for interest
10 A medieval Document witnessed by John Mounteney of
Mountnessing, Essex
11 Transcripition and translation from latin of the Quit Claim on
page 10 from the book by K.C. Newton, Medieval Local Records. A
quit claim is a formal discharge or release of property so it is
no longer his property. The person who releases the property
therefore can make on further claim against the property.
12 An article from the Guardian regarding Montaigne the
Philosopher (not a real Mounteney at all!)
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