IRISH STRONG DATABASE
This Tulliniskey webpage is quite speculative in several regards. Unfortunately, in order to pull likely records together for the Tulliniskey page, I have to use the cross-reference field as the "unifying factor"... eg, by tagging a record "Tulliniskey" I can then query the database to gather all the possible records into a query-file, which can then be used to generate the HTML data on the Tulliniskey webpage. That has the related effect of tagging them the same way in the Counties Antrim, Armagh and Down, etc., database webpages as well. Caution should be used in evaluating the records based on the way they appear in the cross-reference field. I am trying to use the "?" after the lineage tags to show whether the record is in fact tied to the lineage or not... the "?" being used where it is purely speculation. Thus, in a particular record we might find "Tulliniskey - Blue Mountains ?" What I am trying to show is that we know there is some link to the Tulliniskey lineage, AND that there is a speculative link to the Blue Mountain lineage.
The second part consists of a "working discussion" between various researchers
concerning the data. See further notes and following the data below:
Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage
County | Date | Number | Name | Event | Age | Source Name | Cross References |
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Ayr, Scotland | 1610~1680 | 3712 | Cuthbert Strong | Hypothesis | DBS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? | |
Down | 1630 | 2069 | Cuthbert Strong | Muster | 0 | LDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? |
Lanark, Scotland | 1656Jan10 | 3713 | Robert Strang | baptism | JRM | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? | |
Ayr, Scotland | 1658Jul29 | 3715 | Mathew Strang | baptism | JRM | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? | |
Lanark, Scotland | 1658Oct3 | 3714 | John Strang | baptism | JRM | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? | |
Ayr, Scotland | 1661Feb3 | 3716 | Mathew Strang | baptism | JRM | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? | |
Antrim | 1669 | 2803 | Cutbert Strong | Hearth$Rol | 0 | H&H | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? - Tullyglush ? |
Down | 1704Jan31 | 1966 | Matthew Strang | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1704Jan31 | 1924 | Janet Strang | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1706Aug18 | 1932 | Mary Strang | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1706Aug18 | 1970 | Robert Strang | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1707Sep05 | 1969 | Samuel Strang | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1707Sep05 | 1929 | Margaret Strang | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1709Apr10 | 1680 | Robert Strong | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1709Apr10 | 105 | Margaret Strong | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1712Jan11 | 1581 | John Strong | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1712Jan11 | 96 | Janet Strong | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1715Jan04 | 98 | Jean Strong | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1715Sep15 | 126 | Robert Strong | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1715Sept15 | 1681 | Matthew Strong | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1718Dec28 | 62 | Ann Strong | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1718Dec28 | 1682 | Samuel Strong | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1720? | 2882 | John Strong | birth | PCI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1720? | 2881 | Christopher Strong | father | PCI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1721Apr13 | 97 | Janet Strong | Marriage | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1730 | 195 | Samuell Strong | Will | 0 | IRW | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1730 | 471 | Samuell Strong | Will | 0 | IRW | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1744-1760? | 3681 | John Strong | married | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1744-60~ | 3683 | John Strong | father | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1744-60~ | 3685 | David Strong | birth | 0 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1744-60~ | 3686 | Grace Strong | birth | 0 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1744-60~ | 3687 | Grace Strong | death | 0 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1744-60~ | 3688 | David Strong | death | 0 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1744-60~ | 3682 | John Strong | father | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1744~ | 3680 | John Strong | ordained | 24 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1744Oct10 | 2894 | John Strong | Ordained | PCI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1744Oct10 | 2880 | John Strong | ordination | PCI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1750 | 2496 | John Strong | father | 0 | DM | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Armagh | 1750-1775 | 3575 | William Strong | birth | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Down | 1750-86? | 2497 | John Strong | official | 0 | DM | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1750~ | 2494 | Margaret Strong | Birth | 0 | DM | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1750~ | 3689 | Margaret Strong | birth | 0 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1751 | 3635 | John Strong | religious | Internet Website | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? | |
Down | 1761 | 196 | Robert Strong | Will | 0 | IRW | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1761 | 898 | Robert Strong | will | 0 | IRW | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1770? | 2495 | Margaret Strong | Marriage | 0 | DM | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1780Aug10 | 3679 | John Strong | death | 60 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1780Aug10 | 2893 | John Strong | Death | 60 | PCI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1781 | 469 | John Strong | Will | 0 | IRW | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1781 | 193 | John Strong | Will | 0 | IRW | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1792Jan09 | 108 | Margaret Strong | Marriage | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Armagh | 1795~ | 3701 | William Strong | marriage | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Down | 1796~ | 3649 | Robert Strong | birth | GSI | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush | |
Armagh | 1797May7 | 3598 | Samuel Strong | birth | 0 | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont |
Down | 1800 | 2740 | James Stronge | birth | 0 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Armagh | 1800? | 3599 | Richard Strong | birth | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Down | 1800~ | 3624 | John Strong | father | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Armagh | 1800~ | 3700 | John Strong | birth | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Down | 1810Aug10 | 3684 | Anne Whyte Strong | death | 86 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Armagh | 1821~1836 | 3698 | Margaret Strong | emigrant | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Armagh | 1821~1836 | 3697 | Samuel Strong | emigrant | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Armagh | 1821~1836 | 3699 | William Strong | emigrant? | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Armagh | 1821~1836 | 3696 | John Strong | emigrant | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Armagh | 1821~1836 | 3695 | Richard Strong | emigrant | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Armagh | 1822 | 3702 | Samuel Strong | marriage ? | HPS | Tulliniskey ? - Vermont | |
Down | 1822 | 2599 | James Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1825-ff | 3627 | Blue Mountain Strong | Lineage | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1825< | 3625 | John Strong | death | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1825May13 | 3623 | Robert Strong | marriage | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1825May13 | 3622 | Robert Strong | Marriage | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1825May13 | 127 | Robert Strong | Marriage | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1825May13 | 3626 | Jane Strong | witness* | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1830 | 2738 | Eliza Stronge | birth | 0 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1831 | 3185 | Robert Strong | birth | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1832 | 2603 | Sarah Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1833 | 2739 | Mary Ann Stronge | birth | 0 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1834 | 3651 | Knocknagoney Strong | placename | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1834 | 2237 | Strong | HHI | 0 | LDS | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1836 | 2744 | Henry Strong | birth | 0 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1836May18 | 2493 | Margaret Strong | Death | 86 | DM | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1836May19 | 3690 | Margaret Strong | death | 86 | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1841Mar19 | 2919 | James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1841Mar19 | 2918 | William James Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1850? | 2922 | Samuel English Stronge | birth | 0 | QUB | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1851Jun24 | 3186 | Robert Strong | marriage | 20 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1851Jun24 | 3434 | Robert Strong | Marriage | BMD | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1852May21 | 3188 | Agnes Strong | birth | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1854Sep23 | 3189 | Jane Strong | birth | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1855 | 2598 | Robert Henry Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1855Mar24 | 2745 | Robert Strong | death | 59 | GSI | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1857 | 2604 | William James Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1857JAN3 | 3190 | Robert Strong | birth | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1859APR24 | 3191 | David Strong | birth | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1860Dec31 | 2736 | Mary Ann Stronge | death | 30 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1861MAR26 | 3187 | Jane Robinson Strong | death | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1861Nov12 | 3193 | Robert Strong | death | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1861Nov22 | 3192 | David Strong | death | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1862 | 2601 | Thomas Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1862Apr26 | 3194 | Robert Strong | marriage | 31 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1863Feb17 | 3195 | Robert James Strong | birth | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1864 | 2238 | Strong | HHI | 0 | LDS | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1864 | 3657 | James Strong | Griffith's | Griffiths | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1864 | 2600 | David Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1864May21 | 3196 | Hamilton Strong | birth | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1865 | 2605 | Mary Hanna Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1865Sep22 | 1719 | James Strong | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1865Sep22 | 360 | Mary Anne Strong | Birth | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1866May20 | 3197 | Sarah Ann Strong | birth | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Cavan | 1867-1879 | 3646 | William James Stronge | ordained | GS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1867Nov22 | 2737 | Eliza Stronge | death | 34 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1868Jun19 | 3203 | Sarah Ann Strong | death | 2 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1868June21 | 3198 | Joseph Strong | birth | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1870 | 2602 | John Stronge | Birth | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1870-1961 | 2606 | Stronge | Deaths | 0 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1870AUG4 | 3199 | David Strong | birth | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1870Feb06 | 1678 | Susan Simpson Stronge | mother | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1870Feb06 | 1677 | Henry Stronge | father | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1870Feb06 | 129 | Robert Stronge | Birth | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1870Sep17 | 2589 | James Stronge | Death | 48 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1871May30 | 110 | Margaret Stronge | Christ'ng | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1872 | 2921 | Samuel English Stronge | graduation | QUB | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1872DEC4 | 3200 | Mary Strong | birth | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Cavan | 1872Jul2 | 2920 | William James Stronge | marriage | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1872Sep09 | 2746 | Hannah Strong | death | 72 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1874 | 2447 | Robert Stronge | birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1874-1908 | 2886 | Samuel English Stronge | Directory | TDD | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3361 | Mary Strong | emigrant | 2 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3362 | Margaret Strong | emigrant | 24 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3359 | Joseph Strong | emigrant | 7 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3358 | Robert James Strong | emigrant | 13 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3357 | Jane Strong | emigrant | 34 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3356 | Robert Strong | emigrant | 44 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3360 | David Strong | emigrant | 5 | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Dec14 | 3354 | Mary/Margaret Strong | emigrant | AMC & PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1874May19 | 3628 | Agnes Strong | Marriage | 21 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Down | 1874Nov22 | 3204 | Robert Strong | residence | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1875Feb4 | 3201 | William Aberdare Strong | sea birth | 0 | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains |
Clare | 1875Jan3 | 3647 | Hubert Moorhead Stronge | birth twin | GS | Tulliniskey | |
Clare | 1875Jan3 | 2923 | Herbert Cecil Stronge | birth twin | 0 | WHO | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1875Jun11 | 2917 | Mary Anne Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1875Jun11 | 2916 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1875Mar16 | 3205 | Robert Strong | emigration | PDS | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains | |
Down | 1875May10 | 2735 | Sarah Stronge | death | 72 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1875May19 | 135 | Susan Stronge | Birth | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1876Aug10 | 2914 | Florence Augusta Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1876Aug10 | 2915 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Cavan | 1878Dec13 | 2913 | Emily Euphemia Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1878Dec13 | 2912 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1878Jan16 | 77 | Elizabeth Jane Stronge | Birth | 0 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1879Jan08 | 2734 | James Stronge | death | 79 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1879May21 | 2741 | James Stronge | probate | 79 | IGI & GSI | Tulliniskey |
New Zealand | 1881Feb17 | 3202 | John Taylor Strong | birth | 0 | PDS | Blue Mountains |
Antrim | 1881Jan12 | 2911 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Antrim | 1881Jan12 | 2910 | Alexander Berry Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1881Jan12 | 2909 | Alexander Berry Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1882Jun23 | 2742 | Henry Strong | probate | 46 | IGI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1882May25 | 2743 | Henry Strong | death | 46 | GSI | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1883Mar4 | 2908 | Wilhemina Gert. Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1883Mar4 | 2907 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Londonderry | 1885Aug31 | 2905 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Londonderry | 1885Aug31 | 2906 | Thomas Rankin Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1886 | 2691 | J. Strong | directory | 0 | UHF | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush ? |
Londonderry | 1887Oct4 | 2904 | Samuel James Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1887Oct4 | 2903 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1888Nov22 | 2590 | David Stronge | Death | 24 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1890Feb1 | 2901 | Helen Francis Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1890Feb1 | 2902 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Londonderry | 1892Feb12 | 2899 | Margaret McNeary Stronge | Birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1892Feb12 | 2900 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1893Jan19 | 2591 | Thomas Stronge | Death | 31 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1894May16 | 2897 | Albert Crawford Stronge | birth | 0 | PHS | Tulliniskey |
Londonderry | 1894May16 | 2898 | William James Stronge | father | PHS | Tulliniskey | |
Dublin | 1897 | 2962 | Herbert Cecil Stronge | Graduate | TCD | Tulliniskey | |
Cavan | 1900? | 2449 | Isabella Strange | marriage | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1901Oct25 | 2592 | John Stronge | Death | 30 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Dublin | 1902 | 2961 | Cyril Clare Stronge | Graduate | TCD | Tulliniskey | |
Down | 1904Oct6 | 2888 | Albert E.S.* Stronge | birth | 0 | PCI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1905Aug16 | 2593 | Sarah Stronge | Death | 73 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1906? | 2450 | Richard Stronge | birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Cavan | 1908 | 2452 | Dora Stronge | Birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1910 | 3648 | William James Stronge | death | GS | Tulliniskey | |
Cavan | 1910? | 2443 | John Stafford C* Stronge | Birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Cavan | 1912? | 2453 | Mildred Stronge | Birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Dublin | 1929 | 2451 | Richard Stronge | Death | 20 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1932Jan01 | 2595 | Martha Stronge | Death | 70 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1934Mar13 | 2597 | Robert Henry Stronge | Death | 79 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1943 | 2454 | Mildred Stronge | Marriage | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Cavan | 1944 | 2459 | Joan Healy Stronge | Marriage | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Cavan | 1944 | 2444 | John Stafford C* Stronge | Marriage | 34 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1945Sep09 | 2594 | William James Stronge | Death | 88 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Kildare | 1947 | 2457 | Wendy Stronge | Birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Kildare | 1949 | 2455 | Elizabeth Stronge | Birth | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Cavan | 1954 | 2448 | Robert Stronge | Death | 82 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1961Dec10 | 2596 | Mary Hanna Stronge | Death | 96 | UHF & GSI | Tulliniskey |
Kildare | 1965 | 2456 | Elizabeth Stronge | Death | 16 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Kildare | 1970 | 2458 | Wendy Stronge | Marriage | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey ? |
Down | 1980 | 1193 | J. E. Strong | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Kildare | 1980 | 2442 | John Stafford C* Stronge | directory | 0 | CID | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1980 | 1228 | K. Stronge | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey |
Dublin | 1980 | 1269 | J.S.C. Stronge | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey |
Sligo | 1980 | 1292 | A.E.S. Stronge | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey |
Monaghan | 1980 | 1293 | Cecil J. Stronge | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey |
Dublin | 1980 | 2083 | John S.* Cecil Stronge | official | 0 | CID | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1980 | 1192 | J. E. Strong | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1980 | 1187 | G.W. Strong | phone | 0 | TEL | Tulliniskey ? - Blue Mountains ? |
Down | 1982May10 | 2887 | Albert E.S.* Stronge | death | 78 | PCI | Tulliniskey |
Kildare | 1986Nov | 2445 | John Stafford C* Stronge | Death | 76 | JS | Tulliniskey |
Antrim | 1989 | 2304 | Ralph Stronge | Phone | 0 | CDH | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush |
Down | 1989 | 2334 | D. Strange | Phone | 0 | CDH | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush ? |
Kildare | 1989 | 2341 | J.S.C. Stronge | Phone | 0 | CDH | Tulliniskey |
Cavan | 1989 | 2352 | Raymond Cecil Stronge | Phone | 0 | CDH | Tulliniskey |
Down | 1989 | 2298 | M.J. Strange | Phone | 0 | CDH | Tulliniskey ? - Tullyglush ? |
Monaghan | 1989 | 2346 | Cecil J. Stronge | Phone | 0 | CDH | Tulliniskey |
Kildare | 1990Jul22 | 2446 | Joan Healy Stronge | letter | 0 | JS | Tulliniskey |
Down | 2001 | 3650 | Strong | research | GSI | Magheradrool - Tulliniskey ? |
Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage
Gord and Philip... and whoever else may be interested: Please let me know your reaction to this discussion:
This is an attempt at hypothesizing a solution to the various Strong/Stronge/Strang lineages of County Down. You may be disadvantaged in reviewing this hypothesis, in that the on-line version does not include all of the facts to which I allude below. However, I beg your indulgence, and will strive to verify any facts you may wish to question insofar as possible from the off-line version of the database held by me.
First: To state the obvious, I believe that Strong/Stronge/Strang are all variants of the same name, and that it is a mistake to look ONLY at one spelling of the name. The surname spelling of the same individual may appear two or three different ways in the records. It is more important to look at the TOWNLAND of origin of the individuals in question to determine whether they are identifiable as the same person.
Second: It seems rather clear that the Down lineages originate in Scotland... as almost all of them are identifiable at some point with the Presbyterian Church.
Third: While it is impossible to know whether we have squeezed dry all of the possible sources of records of individuals tied to County Down, we seem to have enough to form some idea where they lived and who their various descendant members were. It MAY be possible to establish that ALL of the various Down Strong/Stronge/Strang families were related.
Take a look at the above Tulliniskey Lineages excerpts from the Irish Strong Database:
Note the earliest record #2069, is of a Cuthbert Strang, mustered in 1630 as a man at arms in the service of Lord Cromwell. This is NOT Oliver Cromwell, but may be an uncle of his. Further, while more research needs to be done on this point, I suspect Lord Cromwell was English, and from the area of Lincolnshire. IF Cuthbert Strang is accepted as Scottish... then it must be that Lord Cromwell had an estate agent who hired Scots as part of the "planting" of his estate. The question then arises, "Is there any relationship between the Cuthbert Strong of record #2069 in County Down and the Cutbert Strong of record #2803 in County Antrim?" We can speculate that they are the same person, based upon a) similariy of given name; b) placement in time sequence and place... and for the latter, see further discussion below.
If Cuthbert Strang was Scottish, do we have any insights as to his place of origin? John R. Mayer mentions a Cuthbert Strang of High Church, born circa 1637 (but see below). See Strange of Balcaskie, p.112. Mayer also notes the existence of "records from Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, which seemingly pertain to the same man, namely Cudbert Strang". Here, Mayer cites the IGI thusly: IGI 1988/5: C119187.0979; C119187.2653; C115972.1899; and C115972.2198, respectively, for each of the following four baptisms. Obviously, more research in the actual parish records is needed. However, for now, Mayer is the best reference we have.
John R. Mayer goes on to list four possible sons of Cuthbert Strang:
1. Robert Strang, baptised 1656/1/10, son of Cuthbert Strang and Margaret Strang, in High Church, Glasgow, Lanark,
on Thursday 1656/1/10.
2. John Strang, baptised 1658/10/3, son of Cuthbert Strang and Margaret Strang, in High Church, Glasgow, Lanark,
on Sunday 1658/10/3.
Note, the next two putative sons of Cuthbert Strang were baptised in Kilmarnock, and the first was baptised BEFORE #2,
John Strong, above:
3. Mathew Strang, baptised 1658/7/29, son of Cuthbert Strang and Margaret Johnstoun, at Kilmarnock, Ayr,
on Thursday 1658/7/29.
4. Mathew Strang, baptised 1661/2/3, son of Cuthbert Strang and Jonet Johnstoun, at Kilmarnock, Ayr, on Sunday1661/2/3.
It seems obvious Cuthbert Strang was either a busy man and got around considerably, or perhaps his first wife was Margaret Johnstoun Strang, and they baptised the first Matthew Strang at Kilmarnock for some reason of poor health of the child, or perhaps John was baptised late for some reason. The first Matthew may have died, as well as Margaret Johnstoun, and after remarrying "Jonet" Johnstoun, they had a child named Matthew to replace the lost first Matthew. Or MAYBE we have two different Scottish Cuthbert Strangs! There is simply too little information to be definitive about this at this point.
For our purposes, it is only possible to speculate whether the Scottish Cuthbert Strang's of High Church in Glasgow, and/or Kilmarnock, Ayr, are the same man as he who was mustered in 1630 in Lord Cromwell's County Down estate? Or do we merely have a possible indicator that somehow the County Down Cuthbert Strang may have originated in Kilmarnock, Ayr, or in Glasgow, Lanarkshire? Note for one thing, the County Down record is from 1630, which is 7 years before the date Mayer speculates the Scottish individual was born, 1637. But, is this realistic? Mayer makes the man (indeed Mayer purely speculates!), Cuthbert Strang, about 20 when he starts fathering children. Granted, life was short, hard, and fast in the 17th century... but it is entirely possible that the Scottish Cuthbert Strang was 20 when mustered in County Down, and only about 45 when the children start to be christened... and this latter senario is in some respects more realistic. A young man needs means to support a family, something not always available in the 17th century. It seems more likely he "went adventuring" in Ireland before coming home to set up with a wife and family... and thereafter may have returned to Counties Antrim and Down, as we shall see below. Before that, however, it is worth noting that the name "Cuthbert" is very uncommon in the records in our area of study. The mention in "Strange of Balcaskie" is singular in a book of over 500 pages; and, the Counties Antrim and Down Cuthbert Strang/Strong are the only ones found in all of my records of Irish Strongs.
Turn now to the next few records, relating to christenings which took place in Drumbo Presbyterian church in the years ranging from 1704 to 1718. Observe the identities of the FATHERS named for the several children: Matthew Strang, Robert Strang/Strong, Samuel Strang/Strong, and John Strong. The question arises whether these are the offspring of Cuthbert Strang and his wife Margaret, late of High Church and Kilmarnock, Scotland? Given the baptismal dates for Cuthbert's children above, it IS possible. And, the names of the children being christened in Drumbo are familiar as well.... Margaret, Janet, Robert. The suspicion seems reinforced that we are dealing with the same lineage.
The next record of some interest may be that of the 1720 christening of John Strong (record #2882), son of Christopher Strong (record #2881), of Kilraughts, County Down. Query, WHERE is Kilraughts? It appears to be a townland in Ballyinahinch, in Magherdroll Parish. Can a tie be shown between the various Strang/Strongs of Drumbo with this Christopher Strong of Kilraughts? This MAY be important, because the name "Christopher" shows up consistently in the South Carolina Strong lineage which emigrated from County Antrim to South Carolina circa 1770. AND, there is the matter of the headstone found in Scotland. The following is quoted from my website at: "The Significance of Hamilton"
"Following the Restoration of the Monarchy, in 1661, the Corporation Act provided that, besides taking the oath of allegiance and supremacy and subscribing a declaration against the "Solemn League and Covenant" , all members of corporations were within one year after election to receive communion according to the rites of the Church of England. This act was followed by the Test Act of 1672, the immediate consequence of the king's declaration of indulgence dispensing with laws inflicting disabilities on Nonconformists. This act enforced upon all persons filling any office, civil or military, the obligation of taking the oathes of supremacy and allegiance and making a declaration against transubstantiation. 4= (Rebels#21)} Transubstantiation was or is a Roman Catholic doctrine which held that the eucharistic elements at their consecration become the body and blood of Christ while keeping only the appearances of bread and wine. 5= (Rebels#22)} "An act requiring all Presbyterian ministers appointed during the period when patronage was abolished to get presentation from their patrons and institution from their bishops was applied in the west of Scotland in such a way that 300 ministers left their manses. Their places were filled with less competent men whom the people did not wish to hear, and so conventicles began to be held, in the open air and fields, and against the rule of the law. The attempts to suppress these, the harsh measures taken against those who attended them or connived at them or refused to give information against them, the military violence and the judicial severities, the confiscations, imprisonments, tortures, expatriations, all make up a dreadful narrative. 6= (Rebels#23)}The foregoing discussion serves perhaps to explain the presence of "Cutbert Strong", record #2803, in County Antrim in 1669: Quite likely he emigrated back to County Antrim in Ulster following the events of Rullion Green above. Above, we have speculated he was about 20 in 1630; if so, he would now be about 59 years of age... still within the realm of possibility. Query whether Christopher Strang the martyr was his near relative? And, query further whether finding him thus in County Antrim about ten years after the string of baptisms in High Church, Glasgow, and/or Kilmarnock, Ayr, seems to end explains such in that he and his family moved? And, later we seem to find the family of Cuthbert Strang and his wife Margaret in County Down, at the beginning of the 18th century, perhaps having found reason to move yet again. And, it will also serve to launch, below, an amplification tying in the Covenanting Presbyterian South Carolina Strongs. The question remains, can we trace the South Carolinians back thru Cutbert Strang of County Antrim to the Strongs of Magheradroll parish, County Down, and/or on back to Scotland along with Cuthbert Strang and his family?"Indulgences issued by the king, waiving certain aspects of the Rescissory acts, were tried and were successful in bringing back about 100 ministers to their parishes, and introduced a new cause of division among the clergy. On the other hand, the Covenanting spirit rose higher and higher among the persecuted until armed risings took place and formal rebellion of a handful of desperate men began against the ruler of the three kingdoms of Scotland, England, and Ireland. 7= (Rebels#24)} There followed 25 years of brutal repression, during which the more extreme Covenanters rose three times in rebellion. Ultimately in the Sanquhar Declarations, the dissenters renounced allegiance to the king whom they viewed as a perjured tyrant (Charles II having pledged himself to the National Covenant when seeking to regain his throne during Cromwell's regime). 8= (Rebels#25)}
"The first rising came late in 1666, when the western insurgents marched upon Edinburgh. They were easily defeated at Rullion Green, in the Pentland Hills. 9= (Rebels#26)} Following their defeat, one Christopher Strang was apparently beheaded in Edinburgh, December 7,1666. 10= (Rebels#27)} Along with those of his fellow martyrs, his head was apparently sent to Lanarkshire and mounted on a pike as a warning to other covenanters. The following inscription appears on a gravestone in the churchyard of Hamilton, in Lanarkshire, Scotland, lying above the heads of John Parker, Gavin Hamilton, James Hamilton, and Christopher Strang: 11= (Rebels#28)}
"Stay, passenger, take notice what thou reads,"It was this type of repression that, together with economic poverty in 17th century Scotland that led many Scots to emigrate to Ulster. While the repression was ongoing in Scotland, there was relative freedom of worship in Ireland. Thousands of Scots from the Lowlands emigrated to Ulster throughout most of the century. Was there a relationship between these Scots refugees and the earlier settlers of the Plantation Period? " Note, the footnotes appearing above are found at the end of the discussion in the above referenced website, "The Significance of Hamilton".
At Edinburgh lie our bodies, here our heads;
Our right hands stood at Lanark, these we want,
Because with them we sware the covenant.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gord Stronge
To:
Subject: (Rev. William James STRONGE, [1841-1910] b. Co. Down) IRE>NYC,NY,USA
Just returned from 4 weeks in Ireland - had a wonderful trip and visited
old STRONGE farms in Co. Down and BERRY homesteads in Killeshandra Co.
Cavan. Ellen Irwin BERRY [1850-1937] is my g.grandmother. Her husband,
the Rev. William James STRONGE is my g. grandfather, b. 1841 at
Garvaghy, Kinallen, Co. Down [1-2 miles west of Dromara]. The first 3 of
their 10 children were born in Killeshandra, Cavan:
1. Mary Anne STRONGE b. Jun.11.1875 died in infancy or as young child.
2. Florence Augusta STRONGE b. Aug.10.1876 d. 1961
3. Emily Euphemia STRONGE b. Dec.13.1878 d. 1947
In 1867 William James STRONGE was ordained a Presbyterian minister in Killeshandra, where he ministered for 12 yrs. I have not yet made any ancestral connection to Cavan with W.J. Stronge but believe there must be some. His father was James STRONGE b. circa 1799 who farmed at Garvaghy, Tulliniskey, Co. Down; I have no record of James' birth. The records indicate several Strong/Stronge names are from Cavan and I have always wondered if James was born there. I would not be surprised to learn of Strong relations from this area.
While in Co. Antrim & Co. Down, I met previously unknown Stronge
relatives who are assisting me with their Co. Down Stronge lineage. It
is unconfirmed as yet, but I believe we share either the same g.g. or
g.g.g. grandfather. They are children of the Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel
STRONGE [1904-1982] who coincidentally also served the Presbyterian
church in Carrigallen [?] Co. Cavan.
.................
Gord Stronge
We turn now to records #471 & 195... duplicates in the database coming from two different researchers of the same source materials... but both relating the fact the same man, Samuel Strong, had a will probated in 1730, and he was from Tullyglush, Lower Iveagh, County Down! This is the first instance in the database of an individual situated in Tullyglush Townland. Note that if he is the same Samuel Strang/Strong who christened a daughter, Margaret Strang (record #1929), on 1707Sep05, we may have an explanation why Philip D. Strong has been unable to find a single burial of a Strong/Strang in Drumbo Parish graveyards (see email dated Sunday, November 04, 2001) .... MOST OF THEM MOVED; possibly the entire family became centered closer to Tullyglush. And Samuel located in Tullyglush, posssibly becoming the progenitor of the entire Tullyglush/Tulliniskey part of the lineage. For now, I will leave it to Gord to provide a narrative tying those lineages together.
There are several records dating thru the 1740s and 50's.... including the ordination on 10 Oct 1744 of one John Strong (records #2880 & 2894), apparently the son of Christopher Strong of Kilraughts, as a Presbyterian Minister, possibly in the parish of Magheradroll. See record #3635, gathered at the following website: County Down Surnames of Rev. John Strong, restoring a Presbyterian church at Magheradroll in 1751 vice 1851.This Rev. John Strong dies 10 August 1780 (record #2893), and his estate is probated under will in 1781 (record #496 & 193). One of the other records relates to the birth of Margaret Strong (record #2494), daughter of John Strong in 1750, of Ballyinahinch, Magheradroll. 86 years later, we find Margaret Strong Armstrong (record #2493), widow, deceased 1836 May 18, in Magheradroll. And Surely, all of these records relate to the same lineage... but again, how is it tied to the rest of the County Down lineages? Probably, but we need a bit more research on this angle.
Back to the 18th century... two wills of some significance: 1761, Robert Strong/Stroung, of Tullyglush(records #196 & 898); and 1778, Robert Strong, Machraglenluce, Dromore (records #194 & 470). The first is obviously of the Tullyglush/Tulliniskey lineage. Is the second as well? And, here we have another two instances of the use of the given name "Robert", which repeat over and over, along with Samuel, John, and James. By now, we seem to be getting away from Matthew and Christopher; Cuthbert was left behind long ago.
At the end of the 18th century, we have the marriage of another Margaret Strong (record #108) on 9 Jan 1792, back in Drumbo Parish. And, following that, in about 1800, possibly her brother, John Strong (record #3624) , becomes the father of Robert Strong.... ancestor of Philip D. Strong, of the Blue Mountains in Australia. This leaves us with yet another question: did the Drumbo parish real property... Knocknagoney Townland, remain in the overall family? With members from the Tullyglush area being sent out to tend or farm it?
The speculations become endless... but perhaps there is enough here to give some form to a possible solution to the puzzle.
Some obvious questions are posited above, in addition to the issues relating to tying together the Tullyglush/Tulliniskey lineages
and the Blue Mountain linages:
1) Can the South Carolina Strongs be tied to the Kilraughts, Magheradroll or some other of the Tulliniskey linages?
2) And, take a look at County Armagh records #3598 & 3599, relating to a Samuel Strong and a Richard Strong, born circa
1797-1800, sons of a William Strong. They emigrated from Tanderagee Townland, Lower Ballymore Parish, in the Banbridge
Registry District, near County Down, to Vermont, USA. See the discussion below.
They apparently were deeply involved in a Presbyterian
congregation in Vermont. It seems likely they tie back into the County Down lineages as well.
3) Is it possible for either Gord or Philip, or both, to compile a genealogy using a program which will generate a GEDCOM
which we can all take turns at adding to and refining? I suspect such an approach will help resolve some of the remaining
"mysteries"! (note, Philip D. Strong has volunteered to initially take on this project. Note further, Pete Strong has already
contributed a partial GEDCOM re his "Vermont" line; and Roger Dellinger's South Carolina Strongs are already on line at his
website)
Regards,
Dave Strong
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gord Stronge
To: Dave Strong & Marilynn Dunne
Philip D & Lyn E Strong (Aust., re Strong of Ulster)
Christina Stronge (re Co. Down)
Philip B. Strong (Belfast, NI, re Co. Sligo Strongs)
Ordella McIntyre Park (re Co.Cavan Strongs)
Joan Fields (re Co.Cavan & Kentucky Strongs)
Garth Watson (re Co.Cavan Strongs)
Cc: Roger Dellinger (re Co. Antrim)
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Possible relationships Tulliniskey,Blue Mountains,South Carolina STRONG(E)s of
Counties Down, Antrim, Cavan,etc
Dave et al:
Some notes with reference to Dave's conjectures ...:
1. re: Tullyniskey, Co. Down STRONGE connection to Co. Cavan STRONG: in my
recent conversations with Ralph & Grahame Stronge [sons of Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel Stronge [1904-1982]
they mentioned their father told them he had Strong(e) relatives in Co. Cavan and was likely the reason he served the
Presbyterian Church in that county; his tenure there was long after my Rev. William James Stronge had left Cavan
in 1880 for Churchtown then Garvagh, Co. Derry and also long after his family emigrated in 1908 to Canada.
2. If Canon John Stafford Cecil Stronge is a descendent of Samuel English Stronge it is wonderful news to me! One of S.E. Stronge's son's name was Sir Herbert Cecil Stronge [1875-1963]; I can only find record of Sir Stronge having 2 daughters. I have not found any record yet of his brothers' [Hubert Moorehead Stronge and Cyril Clare Stronge] children. If you can confirm this family connection with Canon Stronge please advise.
3. Agreed that the Drumbo Stronge lineage could be more senior than Tullyniskey Stronge line.
4. I am unaware of any emigration records of Tullyniskey Stronges other than my line Rev. William James Stronge [to Canada in 1908] and Andrea Lawrence's and Max Archer's Tullyglush line to Nova Scotia Canada circa 1870s. Therefore, I'm unaware of any possible North Carolina Stronge connections.
5. I am wholly ill-equipped to discuss Cuthbert Strong circa 1630; this is just too far back for me to contemplate right now;
you do raise some very interesting possibilities though.
Gord
Response from Dave Strong, dated 14 Nov 2001:
There is a lot to cover. However, for now, I will just report that I found Joan Healy Strong's hand-written letter of 22 July 1990
responding to a general inquiry letter I wrote 10 July 1990. I will transcribe Joan's letter here, and then comment below:
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22nd July, 1990
215 The Grove
Celbridge,
Co. Kildare
Dear Captain Strong,
Thank you for your letter. I'm sorry to tell you that my husband, Canon Stronge, died in November, 1986, and I'm afraid
I know very little of his family history, at least on his father's side. His mother had a large family connection but that would
be of no interest to you.
All I know of my father-in-law was that he came from Northern Ireland. His parents were dead and he had fallen out with his sisters. He farmed outside Baileboro, Co. Cavan at a place called Skeagh Lodge and owned several other small farms. (I noted on the page "Kilmore Dioc")
Ii'm sure enclosed is no use as there are now no Strongs, except my sister-in-law, Dora, who is not well physically or mentally really. She is very confused.
Sorry not to be of more help.
Yours Sincerely,
Joan Stronge
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She then attached a hand drawn descendency chart, commencing with:
Robert Stronge (b. 1874, Northern Ireland, d. 1953) m. Isabella Stafford, (b. Co Cavan), with four children:
Richard Stronge (d. in accident, c.1930)
Dora Stronge (b. 1908)
John Stafford Cecil Stronge m.1944 Joan Healy
Mildred Stronge m.1943 William Parke
Children of JSC Stronge & Joan Healy:
Elizabeth Stronge (1949-1965)
Wendy Stronge (1970- ) m.1970 Denis Dellin, three children: Nicolas, b.1973; Elizabeth, b.1976; Jessica, no dates
Children of Mildred Stronge & William Parke:
Rosamunde Parke m.1968 Ian Jourdan and had four children: Emma, b.1969; Benjamin, b. 1971;
Dominic, b. 1980; Alexander, b. 1982
Catherine Parke (no dates)
Vernor Parke m. Helen Crosland (no dates or children listed)
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From the foregoing, I surmise that Robert Stronge was born in Co. Down. The only logical Robert Stronge available in
the Tulliniskey query and webpage is record #129, whose parents were Henry Stronge, record #1677, and Susanna Simpson,
record #1678. I found that Henry Strong and Susanna Simpson had four children: Robert, b.1870Feb06;
Margaret, b.1871May30; Susan, b.1875May19; Elizabeth Jane, b. 1878Jan16; (note above Joan Strong's reference to
falling out with his sisters).
Next look at Robert Henry Strong, record#2598, b. 1855- record #2597, d.1934Mar13; married to Mary Hanna. I think he is likely the father of Robert Stronge. And, they are Tulliniskey Stronges...
And, note your mention that the sons of "Rev. Albert Ernest Samuel Stronge [1904-1982] .... mentioned their father told them he had Strong(e) relatives in Co. Cavan".... It all seems to tie together.... but may need further corroboration.
Hope this helps!
Dave
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Philip D. Strong's email dated 9 Nov 2001, is quoted below, giving some emigration details. This content can now also be found on his website at: http://www.strong-family.org/strongs/chapter_2.html#emigrate :
The Strong family then left Plymouth, England in the "Baron Aberdare" on 14 Dec 1874 as assisted emigrants. They arrived in Auckland after 95 days on 19 Mar, 1875.,. The "Southern Cross" (NZ) newspaper reported on 20 Mar 1875 that the following Strongs were passengers: Robert aged 44, Jane 34, Robert James 13, Joseph 7, David 5, Mary 2, Margaret 24. In addition William Aberdare was born on the passage on 4 Feb 1875. The general account of the trip in this paper said:"The Baron Aberdare, a new ship, built to the order of the New Zealand Shipping Company, arrived in port last evening from London with a general cargo and a long list of passengers. Captain Edmonds reports that the Baron Aberdare discharged the pilot off Plymouth on the 14th December, and left the Channel with a fresh NE wind. Passed Madeira on the 19th. Experienced light winds, and crossed the equator in long 21 W. on 6th January. Had light SE trades and light variable winds afterwards. Passed the meridian of the Cape on the 4th of February. Fresh westerly breezes from there to the meridian of the Leeuwin, which was passed on the 20th February. Ran down the easting in latitude 40 deg S. After passing the Leeuwin had light easterly and NE winds. Rounded Tasmania on March 2nd, and since then have had a dead boat here. Two births on the passage, and one infant died. The ship made the run in 95 days from Plymouth. She is described as being a fine new clipper vessel of over 1,500 tons register, and it was confidently expected that she would make the premier passage of the season to this port, but contrary winds delayed her to a great extent. The immigrants have all arrived in excellent health, not an adult death being recorded by the surgeon superintendent, Dr Forman. The Health Officer (Dr. Philsom) and the immigration officer (Mr Ellis) will inspect the vessel this morning, when no doubt a clean bill of health will be given, as we understand that there is no disease on board of an infections character."
The "Assisted Emigration to Auckland" register from the National Archives of NZ (Reference 1m 15/190) lists the Strongs as mentioned in the Southern Cross report. Additional information given there is the family's county as County Down. Robert's occupation is given as Carpenter, and against Robert J. aged 13 is a line through his age and the comment "transfd to S.M." or to single men's accommodation. Similarly against Mary aged 24 is the line through her age and the comment "transfd to S.W." or single women's accommodation. The single person lists from the above register for that voyage and found that the entry for Mary Strong gave (Age) 24, (County) Down, (Occupation) Nursemaid. Mary may have been a cousin or niece of Robert? The register sets out that the Strongs' emigration cost the government £79-15 !
William Aberdare STRONG was one of the two births reported by the "Southern Cross" His birth certificate gives the date 5 Feb and mentions the "Baron Aberdare". His father Robert records the date 4 Feb in the family bible, no mention of ship. The Ship's Surgeon gives Feb 7 as the birth date in "Statement of Births and Deaths"
Question... what happened to the rest of the family? Agnes had possibly emigrated to NZ earlier on the "Carrisbrook Castle" on 29 May 1874. Jane, born on 23 Sep 1854, and Hamilton, born on 21 May 1864 seem to have vanished without trace from the family records. Perhaps Jane and Hamilton stayed in Belfast? John Taylor was born later on 17 Feb 1881 at Wellington St Auckland. NZ.
A transcript from a tape recording of Robert William Strong says:
"My grandparents Robert and Jane Strong who lived in Belfast, Ireland, decided to emigrate to New Zealand mainly for reasons of my grandfather's health. They went to London where they had to wait until a suitable sailing ship was ready. They were to have sailed in a ship called the COSPATRICK , but as there was an outbreak of sickness amongst some of the children they could not sail on that particular vessel. This was indeed fortunate for as the ill-fated vessel was sailing down the west coast of Africa a fire broke out. The vessel was destroyed with great loss of life. There were very few survivors. (Cospatrick: Ship- 1220 tons, Captain- Elmslie, Sailed from London 10th September 1874 - bound for Auckland.)In due course they boarded a vessel called the BARON ABERDARE and set sail. Conditions on board were very crowded and the food was not of the best. On board there were a number of pregnant women and the captain ordered that food from his own table be sent to them to supplement their rations. My grandmother, Jane Strong, was one of these and as the ship rounded the Cape of Good Hope my father was born. He was named after the ship; William Aberdare Strong.
On the same ship was the Steen family who also came from Northern Ireland but from a farming district. Their names were William and Margaret Steen. My grandfather Steen was very well educated so the captain made him the schoolmaster to instruct the children on the boat. As the ship came into the Indian Ocean she became becalmed for some time. The pitch oozed out of the seams in the deck. This caused quite a delay, but eventually they got moving again and sailed on to reach Auckland, New Zealand after a voyage that took 104 days."
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----- Original Message -----
I'm looking for any history on William Strong, born in Tandergee, County
Armagh, Ireland in the late 1700s. He emigrated to the US in the early
1800s with his wife Margret and three sons, John, Samuel, and Richard. The
only birth date I have is Samuel's (May 7, 1797) in Ireland. He married Ann
Black in 1822. The family eventually settled in Fayston, Vermont. I am
descended from Samuel to Matthew S. Strong to Clarence Warren Strong to
Howard Arthur Strong. I have no data on when William and Margret
emigrated, nor where they landed.
Do you have any helpful information in your archives? Appreciate any help
you can give me.
Thanks
From: Pete and Donna Strong
To:
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: Strong Ancestry
Howard P. (Pete) Strong
He (WILLIAM) emigrated to the US in the early 1800s with his wife Margret and three sons, John, Samuel, and Richard.
The family eventually settled in Fayston, Vermont. Fayston is about 20 miles southwest of Montpelier in Washington County. It is close to Waitsfield, Warren, and Moretown, in all of which this line of Strong's have lived.
In looking for their origins in County Armagh, the following website was reviewed, which contains a Townland Search Engine for all of Ireland:
The IreAtlas Townland Database:
http://www.seanruad.com/
Found the following in County Armagh:
Townland AKA Acres County Barony Parish PLU Province
TANDERAGEE T. xx Armagh Orior Lower Ballymore Banbridge Ulster
Lower Ballymore parish can be found on a map found at the following website:
The Civil Parishes of County Armagh:
http://www.ancestryireland.com/armagh_map.htm
Lower Ballymore appears to be parish #3 on the map, although it COULD
be #2. Note there are two parishes shown on the map with the name
"Ballymore". I am guessing that you want #3 because it appears to be
"lower" on the county map...
At the GenUKI website:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ARM/index.html
"Tandrage" is listed with the towns and parishes of County
Armagh.
I suggest you research the Townland of Tanderagee in Lower Ballymore Parish, Banbridge Poor Law Union, in the Griffith's Valuations for County Armagh, circa 1848-1864. These valuations give a complete list of occupiers of land, tenements and houses. The Primary Valuation of Ireland, better known as the Griffith's Valuation, is arranged by counties and within counties by Poor Law Union Divisions and within Unions by parishes. It includes the following information:
townland address;
householder's name;
name of the person from whom the property was leased;
description of the property;
acreage;
valuation.
I realize you are searching for info re a family which departed
Ireland BEFORE the Griffith's Valuation was performed. However, it is
POSSIBLE you may find a Strong family occupying a portion of
Tanderagee Townland in the 1860's. It is probable that this is the
same family... only a later generation, which may have stayed in
Ireland. Further, you may be able to identify who OWNED the land in
question. Given the name of the Landlord, you MIGHT be able to
identify Estate records for that Landlord held by the Public Record
Office of Northern Ireland which in turn MIGHT contain leasing or
rent records, even specific documents which might be helpful in
identifying the persons you are researching IN THE TIME PERIOD you are
researching. It is an "around the horse and cart" way of getting the
info, but with the loss of records in the Four Courts Fire in 1922, it
is one of the ways of researching genealogy in Ireland.
Most of the info Pete has was gleaned from the local town archives when he visited in 1995. He found the grave of Margret Strong (William's wife) in a small graveyard outside Fayston. His aunt (Ina Strong Goodyear) gave him much of the info also. She just turned 90 (in 2000?) and lives in Moretown VT.
Pete attached a large (unfortunately) file with some info he took from the 1898 Fayston Centennial pamphlet. He had copied page 13, which discussed Samuel and Richard Strong, and then scanned in a picture of Matthew S. Strong, Samuel's son.
From: FAYSTON CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.booklet, p.13, an attachment to Email dated 11/25/2000 from Pete Strong (but note, picture is not included):
"Many of the early settlers were of Scotch-Irish descent, intelligent, well educated and thrifty; they emigrated from the north of Ireland.
"Among these we mention Deacon Samuel Strong, Deacon James McAllister, Richard Strong, Joseph, Thomas and George Somerville, John Long, James, Thomas and Alexander Maxwell, John, William, Henry and Robert Kew, Thomas Ferris, James Thompson, John and James McCaughin, James Baird and his sons, William, John and James, Jr., John McMullen, James Baird 5th, Samuel McLaughlin, John Patterson and Patrick Smith; the last two are now (1898) living at the age of 82 and 83 years.
"Of those who came from other parts of Ireland we name John McCarty, William Carey, John Kelty, Daniel Hagan and James Neill."
On the following page (page 14) of the Fayston Centennial Celebration, the
next paragraph concerning 'Religious Societies' reads:
" On March 12, 1838 a Congregational society was organized "For the purpose
of settling a minister and erecting a meeting house." The first meeting was
to be held in school house No. 3. Unfortunately the records do not give the
names of the signers of the constitution, but we are informed by old
members, that among their number were James Sellick, Arba Durkee, Z. W.
Boyce, Joseph Somerville, James Somerville, James McAllister, Samuel Strong
and their wives; James McAllister and Samuel Strong were the deacons, and
the minister settled was a Rev. Mr. French who lived in a part of Deacon
Strong's house, where M. S. Strong, his son, now lives. This society later
joined with the Congregational church in Waitsfield."
Two paragraphs later, the following:
"A Reformed Presbyterian society was formed about the year 1850. The leading
members were Samuel Strong, John Long, James Baird and Andrew Gillies of
Moretown, Revs. N. R. Johnston of Topsham, James Beattie of Ryegate, R. Z.
Wilson, J. A. Armour and other Covenanter ministers preached occa-
sionally in school house No. 3 and also in No. 1. When they had no
preaching, meetings and Sunday schools were held, where principles of
godliness and Calvinism, in the fullest meaning of the term were inculcated.
After the death of these worthy men, many of their offspring united with the
churches in Waitsfield."
Pete Strong states "That's all I know about their religion." But, it is enough for our present hypothesis to put them firmly in the company of the Presbyterian Strongs of Counties Down and Antrim!
In addition, Pete forwarded this piece about M. S. Strong which apparently appeared in the Fayston Pamphlet
under his picture:
"M. S. Strong, who lives on the farm where he was born 62 years ago, is one
of the largest farmers in town, and perhaps no one stands higher in the
esteem of his townsmen. He has held various offices and represented the town
in 1874-5."
Pete believes this confirms that the Strong's lived in Fayston from at least 1836. Where they were before that is not recorded in anything he's been able to find. He's looked thru as many passenger manifests as possible from early 1800's, with no luck. He assumes William and Margret came over with their children, but that is only an assumption. He doesn't know their port of embarkation or debarkation, nor when they arrived. Additionally, note the fact that he had also found Margaret's grave near Fayston confirms that the whole family likely came over from Ireland together.
Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
End of webpage
Philip and Gord.... and Roger, Tom, Pete, and Bill:
This message is being copied also to Roger Dellinger and Tom Weir, both of the South Carolina Strong lineage for info and comment; Howard "Pete" Strong of the Vermont lineage to urge him to read and comment on the various discussions at the Tulliniskey website below; and Bill Strong of Dunnville for info. I hope this discussion will be of interest and possible assistance to all. It is supplementary to the discussion in the Tulliniskey webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tulliniskey.htm#discussion
Some things have been going thru my mind, and I wanted to pass them along. Referring to the updated County Down version of the Irish Strong Database: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/down.htm and also to the Tulliniskey version, cited above.
First, in a message , Philip D. Strong states "We now have a more primary reference (and also more detailed) to Rev. John Strong than Ros Davies' reference to Rev. John STRONG in her web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/A%20Surnames%20Sm-Sy.htm#st"
Rev. John Strong COULD be a child of one of the off-spring of Cuthbert Strong under my hypothesis.
Query which one? In the following copy of a message I received from Gord back in 1997 re inputs to the data base, it
appears Rev. John Strong was the son of Christopher Strong.
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Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 5:05:46 PM
From: IN:[email protected]
To: Dbsandmd
Topic: Submission - Irish Strong Database
Sent from Mail Form posted at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/7530/submitir.html
(subject) Submission - Irish Strong Database (from-name) Gord Stronge (from-email) [email protected]
(Country File) Ireland (Name) John Strong (Event) Death (Date) 1780Aug10 (Occupation) Presbyterian Minister
(Father's Name) Christopher Strong (Religion) Presbyterian
(Source Name) PHS, Presbyterian Church Records, List of Ministers, p.176 (Compiler Name) Gord Stronge
(Remarks) From Kilraughts ordained Ballynahinch, Co. Down Oct. 10, 1744 moderator of General Synod 1772.
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My notes: See Records #2879,2880,2881,2882,2893,2894
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Christopher Strong (Record #2881) is not listed as one of Cuthbert Strong's children... but he COULD have been one of them (referencing the Hypothesis in the Tulliniskey discussion). See the discussion below re the possibility he is a younger son of Cuthbert Strong.
Back to Rev. John Strong (Record #2882 & 3635), in record #2496; he is identified, I believe, as the father of Margaret Strong Armstrong (records #2494, 3689, 3690, 2493). You may have noted that earlier I had identified her father as "Rev. JAMES Strong" vice Rev. JOHN Strong. This was based upon the report underlying the two earlier records of the findings of Dorothy Milne, a researcher in Toronto, Ontario, who found an obituary while researching archives of Toronto newspapers and passed that info on to my friend Bill Strong of Dunnville, ON, who passed it on to me. My database notes follow: Per letter from Dorothy Milne to WLS dtd 29 Jan 1991: 'Margaret Armstrong d/o Rev James Strong PREB minister at that place for 36 yr.' Preb. could be either Presbyterian or Prebentary Minister (latter is a Ch of Ireland functionary). Fm Toronto Herald, 17Aug1836; p.146 Upper Canada (early name for Ontario). On reviewing the Gravestone Inscriptions reported by Philip below, I decided the Gravestone Inscription report is more accurate than that of a Canadian newpaper reported third or fourth hand, and made the change from JAMES to JOHN. This leaves an unexplained question as to WHY the death was reported in Ontario. I am not sure, will have to go back to the early letter from Dorothy Milne, and will let you know if I find it.
Now, if Rev. John Strong (Record #2882) is properly identified in time and place in the 18th century, this puts him in place to be a possible ancestor of various of the Down sub-lineages (Tulliniskey, Blue Mountains, Vermont, Magheradrool), and I hope you can help sort that out. I will look forward to further input from you re this.
Note, at 10:35 AM +1100 13/11/2001, Rosalind Davies emailed Philip D. Strong as follows:
Hi Philip,
The information about the Rev. John Strong was copied from the beginning of the chapter for that church
before the gravestones were listed. This is what I copied:- Ballynahinch 1st Presbyterian Church, Windmill Street- 1st
minister 1696- earlier church than the present building which was built in 1751 by Rev. John Strong.
I few years ago I was doing some research for a lady with surname Gibson whose
ancestors were buried there. I spoke with Mr Tom Barr from Stewart & Gibson's Hardware store in High Street,
Ballynahinch, who was an elder of the church and kept the burial registers in his filing cabinet. You could write
to him to ask if he knows anything about your relative as he was very helpful and friendly back then.
Thanks for the encouragement re my new web site.
Best wishes,
Ros Davies
This information corrects our earlier thinking that there were TWO Rev. John Strongs involved in records #2882 &3635,
and establishes that we are probably discussing the same man.
Data
Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Scotland
Tulliniskey & Tullyglush links
Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney & Ballymacarrett links
Possible Vermont links
Reconciling various records
Possible South Carolina links
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ID: I23605
Reference Number: 23605
Name: Christopher Strong
Sex: M
Change Date: 01 SEP 2001
Note:
Last name also given as Strang.There is an article entitled "Covenanters and The Work of Rev. John Cuthbertson" in The National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 21, pp 17 et seq. It gives the names of those Covenantres who sailed September 5, 1685 on the "Henry and Francis," from Leith, Scotland to Perth Amboy, New Jersey where they arrived about the middle of December. The conditions were terrible and many died during the voyage. The passenger list includes Christian Strange and Janet Symington. Those two names are separated by the names of about ten other persons. There are no Christophers, Strongs or Jeannettes. The passengers were not Scotch-Irish, or Irish or Associate Reformed Presbyterians. There were Scotch (probably lowlanders), Reformed Presbyterians (Covenanters) who were being dispatched from Scotland because they refused for religious reasons to take the oath of loyalty to the government.
The following comes from Dave Strong, in an e-mail that he send to the Strong list:
"Recall that after Charles II died and was succeeded by his Catholic brother, James II, the Duke of Monmouth raised a rebellion in England. At the same time, the Scottish Duke of Montrose raised a rebellion in Scotland designed to support Monmouth. Amongst Montroses' supporters in 1685 were a large number of Covenanters...including Christopher Strong and Jeannette Symington. When the rebellion failed these Covenanters were imprisoned in Dunotter Castle south of Aberdeen and held there until the Decree of Banishment was issued in 1686. They were "sold" into the indenture of a Catholic Lord, Pitlochie, and transported to New Jersey...where, Pitlochie having died at sea and the Glorious Revolution of 1688-9 being in the offing, the Covenanters were released from their indentures by action of a court."
If this is true, how did they get back to Scotland and subsequently Ireland to parent the lineage which ultimately emigrated to South Carolina in 1771? This tends to make one believe that Christopher Strong and his wife Jeannette Symington are not the parents of John Strong, however for the time being I will list them that way. (emphasis of Roger Dellinger's comments added by David B. Strong for this discussion)
From an e-mail from the late John R. Mayer of the [email protected] list server, John writes:
"I have lately expanded Christopher II's biography, which belongs in Extraneus, Book IX, Strange of Balcaskie and the Clans Outlandish Strang and Stronge (1996), and it contains some original text from te prisoners' published complaint. Here is how it begins: Christopher Strang II, Banished to Perth Amboy natus circa 1657, floruit 1685-1686. Supposed son of the Christopher Strang I who was hanged and mutilated on 1666/12/7. Christopher Strang II was presumably born about 1657, and apparently followed his father's example, for he joined the Convenanters in rebellion to the Stuart crown. Christopher II was later held as Prisoner at Glasgow, Dunnottar, and Leith Tolbooth. Christopher Strang was shown to be a prisoner at the tollbooth at Leith on 1685/8/17 and he was banished to the American Plantations, by a judgement rendered at Leith on 1685/8/18. He was transported from Leith to Perth Amboy, East New Jersey, by George Scott of Pitlochie aboard the ship Henry and Francis, commanded by Master Richard Hutton, on 1685/9/5.
I have never before seen a record of Christopher Strang II having left any children, so I now wonder how the Strongs of Dickson (Dickson Co., Tennessee) managed to make the connection. Christopher was not exactly an uncommon name in Glasgow, and thee was another (third) Christopher Strang (born circa 1669) at Glasgow who married first Margaret Allen, and second Agnes Grainger. I also tend to believe there were yet another person in Lanarkshire named Christopher Strong.
The story of his father Christopher Strang I (circa 1638-1666) was a little more dramatic, for he was drawn and quarted. His head was displayed at Hamilton, and his right arm was nailed to the public post of Lanark, at the very spot he had sworn the Covenant..."
Birth: 1660 in Scotland
Marriage 1 Jeanette Symington b: in Scotland
Married: BEF 1685
Children
John Strong b: ABT 1686 in Scotland
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Also see the following from Roger Dellinger's website: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=argothor&id=I23599
============================================================ID: I23599
Reference Number: 23599
Name: John Strong
Sex: M
Change Date: 01 SEP 2001
Birth: ABT 1686 in Scotland
Death: ABT 1750 in Co. Antrim, IrelandFather: Christopher Strong b: 1660 in Scotland
Mother: Jeanette Symington b: in ScotlandMarriage 1 Weir
Married: BEF 1705
Children
Strong b: ABT 1705 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
Robert Strong b: ABT 1707 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
James Strong Sr. b: 1709 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
John Strong b: ABT 1711 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
Charles Strong b: ABT 1713 in Co. Antrim, Ireland
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Note, there are some relevant discussions relating to the South Carolina Strongs
located on the Lineage Directory. See:
Irish & Immigrant Places .
For a background discussion re the emigrant lineage of these Strongs,
see Cameronians , and
see Christopher Strang
see: Antrim Emigrants to SC, and
see: Marquis of Donegal
see separate website re: Rev. William Martin's 5 shiploads of immigrants.
The earlist date is 1772, and contains Christopher Strong only.
see also: A History of the Reformed Presbyterian Church
and: Some Covenanter Links
Other References include:
(Strange of Chester), copywrite © 1986,
1989, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1997 by John R. Mayer); Vol. IV, Book X; " Extraneus, Strange of The Carolinas", and
Book IX; "Extraneus, Strange of Balcaskie"
"Strong and Allied Families, The Papers of Miss Esther Strong, Chester County, SC", Privately Published by
Virginia Draffin Waites.
For now, there has been a considerable amount of confusion concerning the origins of the South Carolina Strongs. For one thing, there is a bit of surname spelling confusion. The South Carolinians spell it "Strong", and include the Christopher Strong legend in their family history. John R. Mayer spelled it "Strang", and includes the given name "Christopher". In the "Covenanters and The Work of Rev. John Cuthbertson" in The National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 21, pp 17 et seq., cited above by Roger Dellinger, the name is apparently given as "... Christian Strange ...".
For another thing, there is confusion over the timing of the sequence of events. Refer back to our discussion about the martyr, Christopher Strang/Strong of Rullion Green: (See web discussion): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tulliniskey.htm#discussion and relating it in time to certain events affecting the South Carolina lineage:
1666: First Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat at Rullion Green and beheading of leaders, including Christopher Strang.
1688: Third Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat and imprisionment of Christopher/Christian Strang/Strong/Strange in Dunottar Castle, with subsequent transportation to New Jersey for servitude as indentured servant.
1689: Glorious Revolution of 1689, ending in establishment of reign of King William III and Queen Mary II. Freeing of Christopher Strang in New Jersey.
1770: Emigration of children of John Strong, supposed descendents of Christopher Strong, to South Carolina.
The questions revolve around the missing events of the period between 1689 and 1770. How did Christopher Strong get back to Scotland? How and when did his descendents get to County Antrim? And, WHERE were they in County Antrim?
Addressing the last question first, the South Carolinia legend is that they came from "Cloughwater", County Antrim. The problem is, there is apparently NO Cloughwater in County Antrim. For some time, I have speculated that Cloughwater actually was the parish of "Kilwaughter", in County Antrim. However, there is no evidence available to me that ties the South Carolina Strongs to Kilwaughter; nor is there anything tying the Rev. Wm. Martin, whose contingent of 6 ship loads of emigrants to South Carolina they joinded. (Note, the South Carolina Strongs are apparently NOT included in the passenger list of the 6 ships, per researchers of other surnames).
Unfortunately, I am unaware of anyone having expended any effort in trying to trace WHERE "Cloughwater" was... even though the emigration of the South Carolina Strongs was apparently sparked by disruption of leaseholds occasioned by "rent-racking" undertaken by the Marquis of Donegal. It should be possible to review identification of his estate to try to establish whether there is a likely townland or parish or other place named "Cloughwater".
My own efforts to find "Cloughwater" just last evening produced the following, at the IreAtlas website:
Link to IreAtlas Townland Search
"County Antrim Search Output:
Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province
Cloughorr 378 Antrim Lower Dunluce Ballywillin Coleraine Ulster
1 Total Matches"
Note the similarity of "Cloughorr" to "Cloughwater"... The true spelling may have been lost in pronunciation problems between the first "South Carolina" Strongs and their descendents.
The parish of Ballywillin is located adjacent to Coleraine, in County Antrim very near to the Derry border. See: Baroney Map for Antrim http://proni.nics.gov.uk/geogindx/maps/barantr.gif and see linked Parish Maps. And, see locations which seem to be in Ballywillin Parish near Coleraine in: http://interactive2.iol.ie/MAPS/iolmap.asp Many of the locations on the map are familiar as locations for Strong records in the Irish Strong Database for County Antrim: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/antrim.htm
Now, there may be an alternative in County Down to the "Cloughwater" mystery. The IreAtlas website produced the following:
"IreAtlas County Down:
Search Output:
Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province
CLOUGH T xx Down Kinelarty Loughinisland Downpatrick Ulster
Clough 396 Down Kinelarty Loughinisland Downpatrick Ulster
2 Total Matches"
IF one looks at a map of County Down, the Town of Clough, apparently located in or adjacent to the Townland of Clough, is located rather near to a large body of water. Query whether there is a local placename of "Cloughwater", situated along side the water (as it might be used in Irish parlance "along the Clough water")? Can Philip or Gord shed any light on this question?
And, query further whether either of you has any insight into the "Rev. Wm. Martin" locations of the mid- to late- 18th century?
And, query further do either of you have any insights re relationships of Strongs in the Belfast area to Strongs in the Coleraine area of County Antrim????
Back to the sequencing of events relating to the Christopher Strong of South Carolina legend above, repeated and amplified here below. We have speculated there might have been a "close relationship" between Cuthbert Strong and Christopher Strong the martyr of 1666. See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/tulliniskey.htm#discussion
Could it be that Cuthbert Strong was Christopher Strong the martyr's brother or other close relative? That he named a later son Christopher after the martyr, who became the Christopher Strong of record 2881? And, that the John Strong of record #2882 is identical with the John Strong of Roger Dellinger's site above: "ID: I23599/ Reference Number: 23599/ Name: John Strong "? Can we hypothesis the following sequence of events?
1666: First Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat at Rullion Green and beheading of leaders, including Christopher Strang.
1669~: Cuthbert moves his family to Ulster, where Christopher Strong II is born. This Christopher Strong may be identical with the Christopher Strong of the 3rd Covenanter's Uprising, and the father of John Strong, record number 2882, in the data base, AND with the John Strong of Roger Dellinger's site above: "ID: I23599/ Reference Number: 23599/ Name: John Strong
1685-6: Third Covenanter's Rising, ending in defeat and imprisonment of Cuthbert's son (or other close relative) Christopher/Christian Strang/Strong/Strange in Dunottar Castle, with subsequent transportation to New Jersey for servitude as indentured servant.
1689: Glorious Revolution of 1689, ending in establishment of reign of King William III and Queen Mary II. Freeing of Christopher Strang in New Jersey.
1690~: Christopher Strong returns from New Jersey to home in County Antrim, marries "Jeanette Symington", and remains in County Antrim, while the other brothers move to County Down, and become the ancestors of the Tulliniskey/Blue Mountain/Vermont lineages.
1720: Birth of Christopher Strong's (record #2882) son, Rev. John Strong (record #2881), who marries "Miss Weir" and parents the South Carolina Strongs, along with the additional child, Margaret Strong Armstrong (records #2494, 3689, 3690, 2493). (Note, Roger Dellinger's data gives date of birth of Christopher Strong's son John Strong, as 1711. This discrepancy may indicate we are dealing with two different lineages; or related lineages involving the same names; or incorrect dates.)
1770: Emigration of some, but not all, children of John Strong, supposed descendents of Christopher Strong, to South Carolina.
One of the key details which needs to be resolved in this is the identification of location of the "Cloughwater" of South Carolina legend with the "Clough" of County Down, or the "Coughorr" of County Antrim... and/or the resolution of the question how the Strongs of the Coleraine area possibly relate to the Strongs of County Down.
Also, has ANYONE ever checked the LDS Householder's Index (Tithes and Griffiths) for location in Counties Antrim or Down of the surnames Symington, Gaston and/or Weir? (Note, other info available to me indicates intermarriage in Ireland and in South Carolina between the South Carolina Strongs and the Gaston family... I will try to detail this later. See also Roger Dellinger's website): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=argothor&recno=24454
Such location info might help resolve the questions re location of origin of the South Carolina Strongs in "Cloughwater, County Antrim". It might also bear on the existence of the hypothesized link between the South Carolina Strongs and the Strong lineages of County Down.
Your comments and insights PLEASE!
Regards,
Dave Strong
Kit #6256 (refer to Blue Mountain, Knocknagoney above.)It should also be noted that the Tulliniskey lineage has been DNA Tested, but returned somewhat anomalous results. See: DNA Results and Kit #36440. In light of the anomalous result mentioned, it would be very helpful to test additional members of this lineage to verify the result. It is possible there may have been an adoption or other "non-parental event" at some point which may not readily appear from the known records.
Kit #6386 (refer to South Carolina links above)
Kit #7548#7548 (Tynan Abbey, County Armagh & Carlisle, Cumbria) See the discussions found in DNA Note #11 and DNA Note #16.
Kit #8920#8920 (Tynan Abbey, County Monaghan & Ontario, Canada) See the discussions found in DNA Note #11 and DNA Note #16.
Kit #9014#9014 (Tynan Abbey, County Monaghan? & Ontario, Canada) See the discussions found in DNA Note #11 and DNA Note #16.
Kit #24614#24614 (refer to Possible Vermont links above. Note, it is not clear whether the lineage tested is the same lineage as that discussed here. It would be very helpful to have the lineage discussed here tested to verify the results are the same.)
Kit #106170 (See Discussion of Hypothetical links originating in Lanarkshire, Scotland)
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Updated: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 6:53 AM
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