The Fay Family: Ansel Asa Fay

THE FAY FAMILY PAGE

GENEALOGIES

Ansel Asa Fay
And his Descendants

John Fay

Ansel Asa Fay

What is the connection between Ansel Asa and John? I am quite sure there is one, but so far, it has eluded me. There seems to be a brickwall between them; or rather, since this is Vermont centered, a stone wall. Ansel Asa's children -- the ones whom we believe to have been his children -- were born between 1806 and 1825. We do not know how many children he actually had, and whether with one wife or two or more. "Ansel" is not a common name at all among Fay people; still less do we see "Ansel Asa." LDS records him as the father of Charles and Chauncey; Harrison is said to be his son by some source. Are there records still to be found?

April 2006

Additional records have now been found with the assistance of Sylvia R. Manning, an independent genealogical researcher, whose hunts in Vermont files have been very useful. Some of her resources are listed on the entrance to her website. The Chronicle files and the cemetery listings have proved of great value; the search continues.

December 2006

Rutland County, Vermont

from Anthony Finley, 1831

Brandon and Hubbardton are located in the northern part of the county, Middlebury is in the southern part of Addison County. All three are shown on the map.

From Brandon to Middlebury is about 20 miles, from Brandon to Hubbardton, about 15.

BACKGROUND

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My interest in this line started with a trip that Jennifer M. Nelson took to Vermont in search of her ancestors. She found a small cemetery on that trip which held some FAY graves that she photographed for me. You can see the thumbnails above; click for a larger picture and transcription of the inscriptions. When I received the photographs in 2004, I did some research to try to establish the place of this family in the larger family. My only lead was the brief listing in LDS of an Ansel Asa as the father of Chauncey and a brother, Charles. Since I could not find out anything about Ansel Asa, I put the material aside. In February of 2006, I responded to a couple of message board listings which mentioned a Harrison Fay, son of Ansel Asa. From that first contact has come this page of results. Susan Donk and I still have not untangled the mystery, but we may be able to, with the help of a Vermont family descended from Charles.

DESCENDANTS OF ANSEL ASA FAY

Sons of Ansel Asa: Charles | Harrison | Chauncey | Hezekiah

CHARLES

Charles was born in February, 1807 (census of 1900; LDS says 2/17/1805 and gives 2/12/1901 as the date of Charles' death). He was married twice, first to Asenath Carey. Their marriage was reported on January 7, 1831. She died August 28, 1835, at the age of 34 years. The date of her death is taken from her tombstone in Brandon (she is buried with her parents). Charles' second wife was Abigal Bailey, who was born in July, 1827. Both Charles and Abigal lived until after June 1900. In the census listing of 1850, Charles is 44, and Abigal is 24. With them are four children: Elizabeth, 16, Alonzo, 20, Wallace 12, and George, 2. Of these the only one clearly Abigal's is George. The others are much too old to be her children. Wallace was born about 1838; and George 10 years later. Abigal had four children (according to the census of 1900); the names of three are known. The dates of Wallace's birth and Asenath's death don't quite agree. Wallace appears in at least four census records, and in each case, his birth is reported to 1838. If Asenath's death was actually later than 1835, it would make more sense.

In the census of 1850, Charles' oldest son is called Alonzo; he is 20. After 1850, we see Charles A. or C.A. with the same birth date in the same families. Charles A. is with Chauncey in 1860; by 1870, he has started his own household. LDS says definitely that Charles A. is the son of Charles and Asenath. For this reason, I have identified him as Charles Alonzo.

(modified December 2006)

+Asenath Carey .....3 Charles Alonzo Fay b: 1830 ........+Elma C. Morse b: 8/29/1844 m: about 1866 d: 8/10/1874 ...........4 Emma J. Fay b: 3/1867 d: 1949 ..............+Frank C. Persons b: 1/1869 d: 1950 .................5 Ethel E. Persons b: 11/1892 .................5 Edwin Frank Persons b: 3/9/1894 .................5 Ruth F. Persons b: 5/1896 ...........4 Dan C. Fay b: 4/24/1868 d: 11/15/1938 ..............+Cora M. Patch b: 4/1871 .................5 Malcolm J. Hough/Fay b: 12/8/1906 d: 1/1962 (adopted) ....................+Grace May Lyons b: 5/5/1913 d: 5/21/2004 .......................6 Charles Fay .......................6 Nancy Fay ..........................+ Pollock of Albany, N.Y. .......................6 Barbara Fay b: 12/26/1938 d: 4/1978 ..........................+Francis Lee Carey b: 10/21/1923 d: 1/17/2006 .............................7 Julie Carey ................................+ O'Neil .............................7 James A. Carey ...........4 Edson J. Fay b: 1/14/1872 d: 4/16/1872 ...........4 Lillian Fay b:7/3/1873 d: 3/11/1874 ........+Ellen S. Derby m: 2/22/1876 ........+Viola A. Page m: 11/17/1881 b: 1847 d: 1921 .....3 Elizabeth Fay b: 1834 .....3 Wallace (Willis) Fay b: 1838 ........+Sophronia b: 1838 (1st wife of Wallace) ...........4 Marshall A. Fay b: 1864 ..............+Sarah M. b: 1872 ...........4 Cora Fay b: 1866 d: Bef. 1880 ...........4 Martin W. Fay b: 1871 ........+Lizzie A. b: 1847 (2nd wife of Wallace) ...........4 Flora Ida Fay b: 1877 +Abigal Bailey .....3 George W. Fay b: 1848 .....3 Harriet A. Fay b: 1852 .....3 Walter Chauncey Fay b: 10/1859 ........+Eliza A. b: 1862 (1st wife) ........+Lillian E Gould b: 5/1872 (2nd wife) d: 1971 or 1972 ...........4 Milo George Fay b: 9/15/1891 ...........4 Clarence Walter Fay b: 11/16/1892 ..............+Lucinda b: 1906 ...........4 Richard Frederick Fay b: 10/26/1901 d: 2/1967 ..............+Lena b: 1906 .................5 Willis F. Fay b: 3/6/1922 d: 9/4/1989 .................5 Evelyn Fay b: 1925 .................5 Lillian Fay b: 1929 ...........4 Garfield Harrison Fay b: 6/8/1912 d: 7/2002

HARRISON

Harrison, born January 5, 1811, appears in the census from 1850 through 1880; he died February 13, 1900. In the census of 1900, Philena, his wife, born October 1817 (according to the census; her tombstone has March 21, 1816), is a widow. She died March 21, 1901. Both are said to have been born in Vermont in all of the census records. There is no record that I can find of Harrison in 1840, although it seems that he and Philena must have married about 1838. They are not living with her father nor with his that I can tell. By 1850, however, it is easier to follow them. They were living in Middlebury, a couple of houses away from his brother Charles and a couple of houses away from her parents, Ebenezer and Betsy "Lamphire" (the indexer saw "Lampkin" but that is simply wrong). The name has also appeared as "Lamphere" and "Lamphear." There is no standard spelling for this name until later.

Harrison's wife's name is recorded as "Philena" in every census and on her tombstone. On the other hand, on the marriage license of her daughter Augusta (Augusta's second marriage, dating to 1908), her name is given as "Amanda Lanpher."

Harrison and Philena remain within this small area in Vermont, but they move a couple of times. Sometime between 1850 and 1860, they move to Pittsford in Rutland County; then by 1870, they are in Goshen, Addison County, where they remain.

.....3 Ellen Fay b: 1839 .....3 Diana Fay b: 1840 .....3 Julia Fay b: 1842 ........+Dexter Gould b: 1829 ...........4 Lillian F. Gould b: 5/1872 (2nd wife) d: 1971 or 1972 ..............+Walter Chauncey Fay b: 10/1859 .................5 Milo George Fay b: 9/15/1891 .................5 Clarence Walter Fay b: 11/16/1892 ....................+Lucinda b: 1906 .................5 Richard Frederick Fay b: 10/26/1901 d: 2/1967 ....................+Lena b: 1906 .......................6 Willis F. Fay b: 3/6/1922 d: 9/4/1989 .......................6 Evelyn Fay b: 1925 .......................6 Lillian Fay b: 1929 .................5 Garfield Harrison Fay b: 6/8/1912 d: 7/2002 .....3 Loomis C. Fay b: 6/1846 d: 1935 ........+Julia A. Rogers b: 2/1851 (tombstone 2/12/1849) d: 10/19/1923 ...........4 Sydney M. Fay b: 5/1870 ...........4 Julius H. Fay b: 9/1872 d: 1960 ...........4 Agnes C. Fay b: 9/1874 d: 1927-1930 ..............+Thomas W. Nesbitt b: 7/1864 .................5 Mary A. Nesbitt b: 4/1895 .................5 Julia Nesbitt b: 2/1899 .................5 Charles L. Nesbitt b: 1901 .................5 Arthur W. Nesbitt b: 1903 .................5 Rory T. Nesbitt b: 1913 .................5 Thomas W Nesbitt b: 1925 .................5 John W Nesbitt b: 1927 ...........4 Rollin Freeman Fay b: 2/6/1878 d: 1/3/1940 ..............+Bertha May b: 10/1883 d: 2/23/1908 .................5 Myrtle J. Fay b: 1901 .................5 Mable A. Fay b: 1903 .................5 Millie A. Fay b: 1905 .................5 Minnie V. Fay b: 1/1/1906 d: 6/28/1986 .................5 Freeman Perley Fay b: 1/1908 d: 1/18/1909 ...........4 Nellie A. Fay b: 1880 ...........4 Eva Jennie Fay b: 2/16/1888 d: 8/24/1919 ...........4 Mary A. Fay b: 10/1891 ..............+John W. Wheeler ...........4 Frank Nathan Fay b: 10/10/1890 ...........4 Harold Leon Fay b: 3/11/1894 d: 7/1981 ..............+(1)Irene M. b: 1899 (1897 tombstone) d: 1961 .................5 Warren G. Fay b: 1920 .................5 Beulah M. Fay b: 1921 d: 1925 .................5 Glenn M. Fay b: 1927 ..............+(2)Beatrice Hack b: 5/28/1913 d: 2/19/1997 ...........4 Addie A. Fay b: 1/1896 .....3 Hiram Scott Fay b: 3/1848 ........+Mary b: 11/1854 ...........4 Ellen Fay b: 1876 ...........4 Walter Clarence Fay b: 12/21/1877 ...........4 Emma Fay b: 5/1883 ..............+Winfield H. Gould b: 2/1882 .................5 Winnie Gould b: 1912 .................5 Edward Gould b: 1917 ...........4 Hiram Scott Fay, Jr. b: 2/17/1889 ...........4 Lottie May Fay b: 11/1894 .....3 Augusta Fay b: 1852 see below for continuation of her line .....3 Talbin Fay b: 5/1862 d: 1942 ........+Nellie W. b: 12/1868 d: 1943 ...........4 John Richard Fay b: 9/7/1887 (WWI reg.; SS 9/7/1888) d: 5/1972 ...........4 Ernest Telford Fay b: 11/24/1890 d: 11/11/1919 ...........4 Lottie R. Fay b: 10/1892 ...........4 Levier S. Fay b: 12/4/1894 ...........4 Dayton Archibald Fay b: 2/1/1897 ..............+Josephine b: 1900 .................5 Gertrude Fay b: 1918 .................5 Harold Fay b: 1920 ...........4 Harley W. Fay b: 4/12/1898 d: 11/18/1972 ..............+Cassie G. b: 7/19/1902 d: 9/1985 .................5 Paul W. Fay b: 1924 .................5 Patricia R. Fay b: 1925 .................5 Anna M. Fay b: 1927 .................5 Stewart W. Fay b: 8/9/1929 d: 1/5/2005 ...........4 Fannie F. Fay b: 5/1899 ...........4 Delta M. Fay b: 1900 ...........4 Lorenzo Fred Fay b: 4/24/1902 d: 12/2/1984 ...........4 David P. (Dewie) Fay b: 1907 ...........4 Emily L. Fay b: 1913

CHAUNCEY

Chauncey was born April 22, 1820, and died December 6, 1890. His wife was Aurilla Churchill, daughter of Ebenezer and Louise Cook Churchill. She was born June 16, 1822, and died exactly 77 years later, according to the dates found on her tombstone. Chauncey and Aurilla had 5 children. Of these, only two reached adulthood. Their daughter Luzernia married after June 2,1870; but she must have died at the birth of her first child, for she died in February 1872. Chauncey's son Ellsworth married and had one daughter; he died before he was 48. Florence and Ellsworth had been living in New York; she returned to Benson, Vermont; but there is no sign of what happened to Edith.

.....3 Luzernia L. Fay b: 3/1845 d: 2/2/1872 ........+E. B. Norton .....3 Adoniram Judson Fay b: 5/9/1846 d: 4/2/1861 .....3 Herland Victor Fay b: 12/29/1856 d: 10/3/1858 .....3 Ellsworth Fay b: 4/1862 ........+Florence E. b: 2/1863 ...........4 Edith V. Fay b: 7/1885 .....3 Infant daughter b: 4/1864 d: 4/1864

HEZEKIAH

There is almost no information about Hezekiah that I have been able to find. He was buried close to Chauncey in the cemetery at Hubbardton. His tombstone says that he died on February 17, 1875, aged 52 years. This takes his birth to 1823. He seems to appear on the census of 1850 in New York; a lawyer, age 27, with a wife Phebe D. She is 25. With them is 15 year old Oliver Baker. Oliver is still in Potsdam in 1860; he is married and has a small child. But there is no sign of Hezekiah or Phebe. If Hezekiah did not die until 1875, he must have been alive in 1860 and 1870, but where?

DESCENDANTS OF AUGUSTA FAY, DAUGHTER OF HARRISON FAY

Contributed by Susan Marie Manogue Donk

.....3 Augusta E. Fay 1855 - 1919 ........+Linus Wendell/Wandell 1835 - 1906 ...........4 Ella Wandell 1878 - 1940 ..............+Frederick J. Sundler 1875 - 1949 .................5 Rose Sundler 1897 - 1974 ....................+Wilder Nichols 1897 - 1969 (1st husband) .......................6 Jean Shirley Nichols 1930 - ..........................+Edward Charles Manogue 1930 - 1987 .............................7 Susan Marie Manogue 1953 - ................................+James Raymond Donk 1953 - ...................................8 Christine Anne Donk 1982 - .............................7 Michele Ann Manogue 1962 - ................................+Richard LaDue 1963 - ...................................8 Sierra Rose LaDue 1992 - ...................................8 Lydia Anne LaDue 2000 - ....................+Cerill John Merczeg 1892 - 1963 (2nd husband, Rose) .................5 Frederick J. Sundler Jr. 1899 - 1899 .................5 Gertrude Mabel Sundler 1902 - 1983 ....................+Carl John Monz 1902 - 1976 .......................6 Carl Sundler Monz 1930 - ..........................+Clara Alice Burdick 1928 - .............................7 Katherine Anne Monz 1962 - ................................+Scott Andre Remillard 1964 - ...................................8 Jordan Elise Remillard 1989 - .............................7 Paul Gerard Monz 1964 - 1964 .............................7 Theresa Marie Monz 1966 - .............................7 Susan Elizabeth Monz 1968 - ................................+Anthony Pompo 1967 - ...................................8 Christina Leigh Pompo 1994 - ...................................8 Gabrielle Marie Pompo 1996 - .......................6 Joan Marcia Monz 1937 - ..........................+Edward Henry Wakefield 1935 - .............................7 Deborah Lynn Wakefield 1964 - ................................+Steven Bigler 1957 - .............................7 Carol Joy Wakefield 1966 - ................................+David Skolnik 1964 - ...................................8 Alexander David Skolnik 1995 - ...................................8 Kayla Elizabeth Skolnik 1998 - .............................7 Andrew Matthew Wakefield 1972 - ................................+Gina Marie Guererri 1970 - .................5 Mary Christina Sundler 1906 - 1997 ....................+John "Jack" Croke 1895 - 1980 .......................6 Corinne Constance Croke 1934 - ..........................+William James Hagedorn 1930 - 1991 .............................7 Therese Anne Hagedorn 1955 - ................................+Richard Daniel Tekulve 1953 - (1st husband) ...................................8 Matthew Anthony Thomas Tekulve 1981 - ................................+James Russell Perkins 1932 - (2nd husband) .............................7 Margaret Lynn Hagedorn 1956 - ................................+Terry Allen Scharfenberger 1954 - (1st husband) ................................+Napoleon Shelton Avery 1952 - (2nd husband) ...................................8 Alicia Marie Avery 1983 - ...................................8 Erin Nicole Avery 1985 - ...................................8 Dru Avery 1988 - .............................7 William James Hagedorn 1957 - ................................+Cheri Lynn Stienmann 1960 - ...................................8 Eric Christopher Hagedorn 1982 - ...................................8 Andrew William Hagedorn 1985 - ...................................8 Stephen Donald Hagedorn 1999 - .............................7 Joan Marie Hagedorn 1959 - 1959 .............................7 Joseph Anthony Hagedorn 1960 - ................................+Debra Kay Kelley 1961 - ...................................8 Joseph Ryan Hagedorn 1985 - ...................................8 Jacob Anthony Hagedorn 1987 - ...................................8 Olivia Catlin Hagedorn 1993 - ...................................8 Courtney Marie Hagedorn 1995 - .............................7 Jean Louise Hagedorn 1962 - ................................+Michael Anthony Cornelius 1959 - 1987 ...................................8 Jessica Marie Cornelius 1982 - ...................................8 Michael Edward Cornelius 1984 - ...................................8 Natalie Christine Cornelius 1985 - ...................................8 Scarlet Rose Cornelius 1987 - ...................................8 Giovonni Abraham Cornelius 1993 - .............................7 Laura Lee Hagedorn 1963 - ................................+James Eric Smith 1960 - (1st husband) ...................................8 Anthony Wayne Smith 1984 - ...................................8 Jonathan Franklin Smith 1987 - ................................+Dan Carlos Hatfield 1954 - (2nd husband) ...................................8 Rachael Marie Hatfield 1998 - .............................7 Mary Christine Hagedorn 1966 - ................................+Jeffrey David Dawn 1964 - ...................................8 Brittany Christine Dawn 1987 - ...................................8 Johnathan David Dawn 1990 - .................5 Ellen Arbel Sundler 1912 - ....................+Ferris Livingston 1912 - 1986 .......................6 Marian Livingston 1939 - ..........................+James Ruhle (1st husband) .............................7 Timothy Ruhle 1959 - ................................+Patricia Moore 1951 - ...................................8 Louis Ruhle 1975 - ...................................8 Kara Ruhle 1984 - ...................................8 Brent Ruhle 1986 - .............................7 Thomas Ruhle 1961 - ................................+Barbara Larmon 1960 - ...................................8 Todd Ruhle 1986 - ...................................8 Brian Ruhle 1987 - ...................................8 Kathryn Ruhle 1988 - ...................................8 Shawn Ruhle 1990 - ...................................8 Steven Ruhle 1991 - .............................7 Terri Ruhle 1964 - ................................+Richard Straight 1961 - ...................................8 Richard Straight 1986 - ...................................8 Ashley Straight 1987 - ..........................+Robert J. Marks (2nd husband, Marian Livingston) .......................6 Richard Livingston 1940 - ..........................+Donna (1st wife) ..........................+Lori (2nd wife) .............................7 Josh Livingston .......................6 Frederick Livingston 1943 - ..........................+Dorothy Sokalski 1943 - .............................7 Deborah Ann Livingston 1968 - ................................+Ian Peter Hoenisch 1968 - ...................................8 Jacqueline Ann Hoenisch 1996 - ...................................8 Piersson Daniel Hoenisch 2001 - .............................7 Julianne Marie Livingston 1976 - .................5 Frederick Henry Sundler 1916 - 2001 ....................+Emily Hills 1919 - 2001 ...........4 Walter L. Wandell 1885 - 1942 ..............+Amelia Emma Grande 1889 - 1955 .................5 Amelia Wandell 1907 - 1986 ....................+Roy B. Clark .......................6 Dorothy Clark .......................6 Bette Clark .................5 Walter H Wandell 1908 - 1998 ....................+Ruth Elwell 1905 - .......................6 Janet W. Wandell 1937 - ..........................+Husband Whitbeck .................5 Elizabeth A. Wandell 1913 - 1957 ....................+James E. Richmond 1910 - 1995 .......................6 James E Richmond .................5 Anna E. Wandell 1927 - 1930 .................... *2nd Husband of Augusta E. Fay: ........................ +Calvin Hopkins 1842 -