Walking with Ghosts..........

a website for the descendants of Angus and Nancy McCutchen MacLeod~~

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About This Branch

This page has been created as a companion page to the FTDNA R-L165/S68 Project ; the information comes from various Internet sources, the ACMS Project at FTDNA, and emails from the participants. It is also included as part of the "OTHER MACLEODS" section of the "Walking with ghosts" Genealogy Site.

Branch Information:

TMRCA between the individuals in this Branch is calculated to be 180 years or about the year 1830; however, the MRCA was most likely born around 1700- 1750 based upon the genealogies of the kits represented in the Branch - there may have more recent common ancestors between varous members of this Branch. The Family of 127808 remained in Scotland until approximately 1871 while all others appear to have immgrated to North Carolina cr. 1772. It is quite possible that the three North Carolina families share a more recent common ancestor with each other than with Kit 127808. Likewise with 176841 - the ancestor of this individual was in Virginia USA by 1758 more than 100 years before the immigration of 127808's ancestor and approximately 20 years prior to the North Carolina group.

127808 - John McLeod b. 1770-1780 Skye, Scotland wife Ann; Malcolm McLeod (h/o Mary Matheson) both born between 1801 and 1810 and married in Duirinish Parish, Colbost in 1833. Some of their children were born there and others were born in nearby Husabost; some of the children became ships carpenters in Colbost; immigration of their son John from Glasgow (where he was a Carpenter) to New Orleans La USA by 1871 (Kay's ancestor). Family Tradition is that this family had a 99 year lease on "Dunvegan Farm" but no records have yet been found.

77670/122999 - Earliest ancestor believed to be a Daniel MacLeod (who along with a brother called John) was in North Carolina by 1774. Family tradition is that immigration took place from Skiniden on Skye with Captain Alexander Morrison in 1772 (read more at the bottom of this page). The next generation is believed to be John McLeod b. 1790 perhaps in Richmond County North Carolina who was living in the Wolf Pit Township of Richmond Co., NC at the time of his marriage to Nancy Campbell; they later resided on the Moore Co. side of Drowning Creek in NC (land perhaps crossed the boundaries of Moore and Montgomery Counties). Next generation was John Alexander MacLeod b. about 1834/5 and died about 1887 in Montgomery County, North Carolina who was husband of Euphemia McAskil whose family was originally from Talisker{Carbost}). Next generation was Hector Rufus, 77670's ancestor, who was born about 1864 Montgomery County North Carolina died 1932 in Chesterfield, South Carolina USA.

38247 - Daniel McLeod cr 1770 - 1848 lived north of Carthage, NC in Moore County. He married Flora Riddle who was born cr 1780 and died after 1860 in North Carolina. She was the daughter of James and Temperance Riddle of Lee County North Carolina. According to a letter written by an 85 year old woman in 1930 who was connected to the family, Daniel came to NC with his parents. Daniel's son, Alexander was born about 1808 and died abt 1870. Lived in Moore County until 1849 when he moved to Elizabethtown, Bladen County where he married the widow Helen Cain Davis (1816-1886). Malcolm Daniel born in 1851 and died in 1906 married Flora Campbell McEwan born in 1866 and died in 1934.

148833 - Norman MacLeod/McLeod born April 1776 "on the Atlantic Ocean" (according to son's 1880 census enumeration) d. Williamsburg County South Carolina, 1825-1830 married to Elizabeth Cade (daughter of JOHN CADE) born 1780 in Robeson County North Carolina died 1860 Darlington County South Carolina- Robeson County North Carolina by 1800, apparently in Williamsburg County SC from 1810 - 1820, then to Darlington County, South Carolina (perhaps a son of Norman MacLeod and Jeannette Morrison d. 1805 in NC (reportedly the daughter of Captain Alexander Morrison seen below). See more on Norman and Jeannette at bottom of page

176841 - Richard Walker, who was born in Virginia USA in 1758, believed to have been married to Sytha/Cynthia Brown in Hardin, Kentucky USA, and died in Illinois USA on March 1, 1848. Richard b. 1758 was possibly the son of Enos Walker and wife Patience (no last name given). This kit has no Walker matches in the FTDNA database. Possibility of fostering/adoption exists before 1758 in light of the YDNA.

R-L165 - one member of this Branch has tested positive for the SNP; while it is not necessary for the others to test they are all eligible to join the R-L165 project based upon their genetically matching the positive kit.

Green shading indicates the R-L165(S68) Modal on April 17 2011 - for the most up to date modals, please see L165/S68 Project Overview

Deducing the Branch Haplotype Modals:

Step One: Determine the Ancestral Modals of the two cousins - where one kit matches the modal of the MacLeod Haplotype, it is assumed that the mutation occurred in the other kit. The MacLeod modal at CDY is 37/37; kit 77670 has this combination while kit 122999 has 36/37; the assumption is that the MRCA of the cousins born cr 1800 had the 37/37 of the MacLeods and that kit 122999 experienced a mutation in a generation since the CA.

Step Two: The remainder of the kits have no documentation showing a CA; their kits are used individually in determining the Branch Haplotype while we use only the Ancestral Modal of the cousins in the determination. At each marker, the most common allele is determined as the modal allele for that marker in this Branch. The haplotypes used are marked with "*". The result is the Suspected/Deduced Ancestral Modal Haplotype of the Branch (the Haplotype of the Most Recent Common Ancestor).

Determining TMRCA

BRANCH INDICATORS - markers that are shared by the smaller group which are different than the larger related group

The kits all share a pattern of mutation away from the MacLeod Haplotype at DYS 449 and at DYS 464 making them the first clear undocumented branch (meaning simply that they have no paper trail to a common ancestor) to emerge within the project in the first five years of its existence. Their common ancestor born about 1700 - 1750 would have shared this pattern in his own haplotype for an undetermined number of generations in his ancestral paternal line. Although it is possible that one of the two mutations (at either DYS 449 or at DYS 464) took place at his birth, it is unlikely that both mutations occurred in one generation.

The second TMRCA table below shows that the Branch Haplotype has a TMRCA to the MacLeod Haplotype of cr 1560 (15 generations) giving us a target to determine the age of the beginning of this Branch (the point at which the haplotype began to mutate away from the MacLeod Haplotype - additional mutations are now being seen within the Branch itself).

DYS 389 = 14/30 - All kits have this modal, therefore it is assumed that their MRCA also carried this combination. The modal for the MacLeod Haplotype is either this combination or 13/29 which is found in almost equal numbers in the related group. For this branch, the age of this combination of alleles is cr. 1560 (15 generations). A 67 marker haplotype can usually survive unchanged for approximately 4 -7 generations before mutation. Therefore, a kit carrying a 13/29 here but matching the pattern of mutation at DYS 449=32 and 464=14,14,15,15 is likely a member of this branch with a single mutation at DYS 389. Example: (TMRCA Table generated by Generated by McGee YUtility)

At the 111 level of testing, it appears that an additional two Branch Indicators have been found - see table

DYS 449 = 32 - All kits have this modal allele, therefore it is assumed that their MRCA also was DYS 449=32 - The modal for the MacLeod Haplotype is "31" therefore this mutation occurred in the Common Ancestor in a generation before 1700 - 1750 and has been passed down to his descendants; based upon the unique nature of their mutation at DYS 464, it appears likely that this was the first mutation away from the MacLeod Haplotype and happened in a generation born cr 1560.

DYS 464 = 14,14,15,15 - It is this combination that, considered with the "32" seen above, defines this group as a Branch; while there are others in the project who carry a "32" at DYS 449, none in the project share this unique pattern of mutation at DYS 464. Again, this mutation occurred in a generation before 1700 - 1750 but it was likely to have been between 1560 and 1700/50 that it took place.

Mutations:

Y-STR (67) haplotype mutation rate
A new mutation can happen at any time but a 67 marker haplotype using the .002 historical rate indicates it can typically survive unchanged since the generation of the prior mutation event for a bit more than seven generations (approximately 210 years). Random matches will be minimal, if any. Random matches in the MacLeod Project using the current project haplotype = 67 - 3 (Ross); 67 - 6 (McKinney)

Kerchner Surname Project the 67 marker average haplotype mutation rate for the seven people YDNA67 marker tested is .0043. The 67 Kerchner haplotype on average can typically survive unchanged about 3.5 generations (approximately 105 years). Random matches unlikely. Random matches in the MacLeod Project using the current project haplotype = 67 - 3 (Ross); 67 - 6 (McKinney)

122999 - One mutation in approximately 6 generations (180 years)

CDYa = 36 - Cousin to 77670 who has the 37/37 combination of alleles that matches the Branch and the MacLeod Haplotype. Because his cousin matches the MacLeod modal, it can safely be assumed that this mutation occurred since 1800. It is therefore ignored in the Ancestral Modal Haplotype of the cousins.

148833 - One mutation in approximately 300 years

DYS 439 - The others in the Branch have the "12" of the MacLeod Haplotype therefore, this mutation occurred SINCE the CA of the Branch. Within the larger group of MacLeods, mutations here are seen 4 times - because 148833 belongs in a Branch, matching with kits outside of the Branch is convergence and not indications of any closer relationship. Mutations at this marker have been seen in two other families: Talisker/Arnisdale and Angus MacLeod

127808 - One mutation in approximately 300 years

CDYb = 38 - Because the remainder of the Branch has the 37/37 of the MacLeod Haplotype, this mutation occurred SINCE the CA of the Branch.

176841 - One mutation in approximately 300 years

DYS 456 = 15 - The rest of the Branch has the "16" of the MacLeod Haplotype, this mutation occurred SINCE the CA of the Branch

TMRCA between the Branch and the Clan MacLeod Modal Haplotype:

More about Captain Alexander Morrison:

Captain Alexander Morrison "In 1772, he emigrated to North Carolina "with three hundred of his neighbors," and, according to the LOYALIST PAPERS, "soon established himself and his family in circumstances very happy and independent. In North Carolina, Alexander Morrison became involved in the American War of Independence. In his MEMORIAL to the Honourable Board of Commissioners in London, he tells that it was "at his home the principal Highland leaders met and made their plans for their ill-fated Rising, and that it was also there the Highland Army was embodied early in February 1776." Morrison received the rank of Captain, and commanded a company recruited by himself. He was appointed Deputy Quartermaster General, and "exerted the utmost in his power to supply the troops with provisions, for which he disbursed 135 pounds of his own money." He was captured by the Americans at the battle of Moore's Creek on 17th February 1776, and, for more than a year, was "dragged from Gaol to Gaol, & marched more than 1,000 miles before he was admitted to parole in 1777." In August 1778 he was exchanged, but in April of the following year, when on his way to North Carolina to stir up the Highlanders to rise a second time against the Americans, he was captured at sea, "loaded with irons & carried a prisoner to Portsmouth, New Hampshire." In August he was again exchanged, but, "worn out with age and fatigue, he was allowed to return to Britain," where he arrived in March 1780. On account of his "active diligence in the Royal cause," his family were cruelly treated by the Americans, who "for five years swept away all the produce of his plantation, leaving only a bare subsistence for them." Dr. Morrison returned to North Carolina for his wife and family in 1786, and sometime thereafter they (except the sons) came back to Scotland and settled in Greenock, where he passed away on 28th January 1805. Dr. Morrison was married to Elizabeth MacLeod, said to have been a daughter of the Rev. Alexander MacLeod, minister of St. Kilda.

More about Jeannette Morrison: Parentage not proven

Jeannette Morrison MacLeod/McLeod is believed by some researchers to have been the daughter of Captain Alexander Morrison - however the following is found on the Clan MacLeod Genealogy pages which should cause researchers some pause unless there is some documentation (Wills/Equity) to connect her to Captain Alexander: "The Morrisons of Skinidin", THE CLAN MACLEOD MAGAZINE, II, No. 17 (1952), pp. 63-66. Name in this article is given as Jean; however, she may be Jeanette.

More about Norman MacLeod: Current research proves that he was not Norman son of Donald III of Talisker

It has been recorded that this Norman MacLeod was Captain Lt Norman MacLeod of Talisker son of Donald MacLeod III of Taliker and his wife Christina

!SOURCE: Sir Robert Douglas of Glenbervie, Baronet, THE BARONAGE OF SCOTLAND, Edinburgh, 1798, p. 381. "Captain-lieutenant in the regiment of light armed infantry in North America, and one of the superintendents of the Indians." :

After the discovery of this Branch of MacLeods in the FTDNA Clan MacLeod Project, research was undertaken to determine a common ancestor for the Branch by Kay Bachman (cousin of kit 127808) which has proven that while Norman MacLeod and Jeannette Morrison may have been the parents of Norman MacLeod/McLeod the husband of Elizabeth Adair Cade (a claim itself not yet proven by wills and equity), Norman (husband of Jeannette Morrison) was almost certainly not the son of Donald III of Talisker. Other than David Dobson's book and amatuer genealogies, there is never any mention of the son of Donald III of Talisker being in North Carolina or having married Jeanette Morrison; in fact, the Dictionary of Canadian Biography appears to name his wife as one Cecile Robert of Detroit Michigan.

David Dobson's book, Scottish Soldier in Colonial American, Part III, p. 54, Normand, son of Donald of Talisker and Christina, was an Ensign in the 42 Royal Highlanders, served in Nova Scotia; then was a Lt. in the 80th Regiment at Ticonderoga in 1758; at Lake Champaign and the St. Lawrence, 1759-1760; Capt-Lt. in 1760, the Commisary of Indian Trade on the Mohawk River; was granted land in Nova Scotia in 1770. Later he was a Loyalist Capt of the 84th Regiment in the Carolinas, and was dead by 1783 (last sentence does not appear to be correct as no other writings regarding Norman MacLeod, son of Donald III of Talisker refer to a presence in North Carolina).

St. Andrews Society Biography "Norman McLeod was the fourth son of Donald, Third of Talisker and Christina, daughter of John, Second of Contullich. He entered the army in January, 1756, as Ensign in the 42nd Highlanders and served under Lord Loudoun in Nova Scotia. On December 27th, 1757, he received a Lieutenancy in the 80th, or Gage's Light Infantry and served under General Abercromby in the expedition against Ticonderoga in 1758. He accompanied the expedition under Amherst on Lake Champlain and down the St. Lawrence in 1759-60. He was commissioned Captain-Lieutenant of the 80th on October 4th, 1760, and served in it till its reduction in 1763, when he went on half-pay, and some time after was appointed Commissary at Niagara. In 1766 he petitioned for a grant of 10,000 acres of land in Nova Scotia. In 1770 he received a grant of 3,000 acres of land. His name appears on the Half-pay List until 1787 when it was dropped." (No mention of the 84th Regiment in the Carolinas)

Dictionary of Canadian Biography (information provided to Kay Bachman by Col. Ian McCullough) MacLEOD, NORMAND, army officer, Indian department official, and fur-trader; b. on Skye, Scotland; m. Cécile Robert, probably the daughter of Antoine Robert of Detroit (Mich.); d. 1796 at Montreal (Que.). Normand MacLeod first saw military service in 1747 in the Netherlands. He came to America in 1756 as an ensign in the 42nd Foot, and during the Seven Years’ War he transferred to Thomas Gage’s 80th Foot. He attained the rank of captain-lieutenant and in the early 1760s was stationed at Fort Niagara (near Youngstown, N.Y.). At that time he also became acquainted with the Detroit region. After the war he was placed on half pay, and in the mid 1760s he lived in New York City. He was a friend of Sir William Johnson and others of his circle and Johnson became his patron. MacLeod visited Johnson Hall (Johnstown), performed personal commissions for Johnson in New York, and was a brother Mason. In the summer of 1766 MacLeod was appointed commissary for Indian affairs at Fort Ontario (Oswego, N.Y.). That year he entertained Pontiac* and his party when they came to the post for a meeting with Johnson.MacLeod became commissary at Niagara in 1767 but lost the position in the spring of 1769 during a general retrenchment by the British government. He went to New York City in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain patronage from General Gage. By the summer of 1770, however, he was established on a farm at Caughnawaga (Fonda, N.Y.) in the Mohawk valley under Johnson’s patronage. Named commandant at Fort Ontario in the fall of 1773, MacLeod requested permission to delay taking up his post until the following summer. Johnson died in July 1774, and it was likely then that MacLeod moved west to establish himself as a trader at Detroit in partnership with Gregor McGregor and William Forsyth. In October 1774 he bought property there in partnership with McGregor. In the fall of 1778, as a captain in the Detroit militia, MacLeod went on Henry Hamilton ’s expedition against Vincennes (Ind.), whose inhabitants had declared for the rebels. He returned to Detroit early in 1779 before Hamilton’s garrison was captured. Hamilton had attempted to make MacLeod town major at Detroit, but the appointment was not confirmed since no such position had been provided for the upper posts. By 1779 MacLeod had a new partner – John Macnamara, who was a prominent merchant at Michilimackinac (Mackinaw City, Mich.) – but at the end of the revolution he became associated with John Gregory* of Montreal in the firm of Gregory, MacLeod and Company. This firm provided the main opposition to the North West Company; one of its wintering partners was Alexander Mackenzie*. MacLeod moved to Montreal at this time, and when in 1787 the North West Company absorbed his firm he received one of the 20 shares in the reorganized company. In 1790 he sold his share and retired. He died six years later. Throughout his life MacLeod was well thought of by those who knew him and employed him. Sir William Johnson commented that he had “great Esteem for Capt MacLeod who is a Worthy Man and one I am always disposed to Serve.” Frederick Haldimand referred to him as “a Gentleman for whom I have a particular regard.” Sources: Reginald Horsman Les bourgeois de la Compagnie du Nord-Ouest (Masson), I, 10–11. Docs. relating to NWC (Wallace), 11, 13, 82–84, 453, 474, 481–82. Henry Hamilton and George Rogers Clark in the American revolution, with the unpublished journal of Lieut. Gov. Henry Hamilton, ed. J. D. Barnhart (Crawfordsville, Ind., 1951), 104–5, 150, 171, 222. Johnson papers (Sullivan et al.), V–VIII. [Alexander Mackenzie], The journals and letters of Sir Alexander Mackenzie, ed. and intro. W. K. Lamb (Cambridge, Eng., 1970), 3, 6, 11, 447; Voyages from Montreal on the River St. Laurence through the continent of North America to the Frozen and Pacific oceans in the years 1789 and 1793 . . . (London, 1801; new ed., intro. Roy Daniells, Edmonton, 1971), xix, xxii. Michigan Pioneer Coll., IX (1886), 484, 633, 658; X (1886), 283–84, 316–17, 374–75, 456, 608; XI (1887), 625; XIX (1891), 31, 110, 320–21, 588, 654–55, 665–66; XX (1892), 206, 249. The new régime, 1765–67, ed. C. W. Alvord and C. E. Carter (Springfield, Ill., 1916), 513–14. NYCD (O’Callaghan and Fernow), VII, 854; VIII, 228. PAC Report, 1904, 370–71. Trade and politics, 1767–1769, ed. C. W. Alvord and C. E. Carter (Springfield, Ill., 1921), 83. The Windsor border region, Canada’s southernmost frontier . . . , ed. E. J. Lajeunesse (Toronto, 1960), 316–17. Wis., State Hist. Soc., Coll., XII (1892), 28; XVIII (1908), 234, 239–40. James Browne, A history of the Highlands and of the Highland clans ([new ed.], 4v., London, 1848–52), IV, 155. Davidson, NWC, 62. Innis, Fur trade in Canada (1956), 199–200. -----

"Sons of the Mountains" Vol. 2 Col. Ian McCullough "Normand Macleod*, yr of Talisker (c.1730-1796) Private: 1747 Ensign: 30 January 1756, 42nd Foot; Lieut: 27 December 1757, 80th Foot (Gage’s Light Infantry); Capt-Lt: 4 October 1760, 80th Foot; half-pay, 1 November 1764; Capt: “by brevet”, 25 May 1772. Born on Skye, Normand MacLeod was the 4th son of Donald, 3rd of Talisker, and Christina, daughter of John MacLeod, 2nd of Contullich. He joined the regiment as a private soldier in 1747 and was commissioned ensign from the ranks 30 January 1756, as the regiment prepared to go overseas to North America. On 27 December 1757, when the regiment was stationed at Schenectady, NY, he exchanged on promotion to lieutenant in the new-raising 80th Foot, or Gage's Light Infantry. He fought at the battle of Ticonderoga, 1758, and was with the expeditions to capture Forts Ticonderoga and Crown Point, 1759 and Montreal, 1760. He was commissioned Captain-Lieutenant of the 80th on 4 October 1760, and served until its reduction in 1764, when he went on half-pay. He was a close friend, fellow Freemason and business associate of Sir William Johnson and lived after the war in New York performing personal commissions for Johnson. MacLeod was appointed a commissary (supply officer) of Indian Affairs at Niagara in 1766 and the following year, commissary of Fort Niagara. With government cutbacks, he lost both positions in 1769 and became a trader at Detroit in partnership with Gregor MacGregor and William Forsyth. During the American Revolution he became a captain in the Detroit militia and accompanied Henry Hamilton’s 1778 expedition against Vincennes. He returned to Detroit early in 1779 before Hamilton’s garrison was captured by George Rogers Clarke and his small force. MacLeod was an astute businessman and well-respected by all those who knew him. Johnson commented that he had “great Esteem for Capt MacLeod who is a Worthy Man and one I am always disposed to Serve.” Governor Frederick Haldimand referred to him as “a Gentleman for whom I have a particular regard.” He died at Montreal in 1796, a wealthy fur trader holding substantial stock in the Northwest Company. CBs; SBs; BALs; Stewart, Sketches, I-II, in passim; “Normand MacLeod”, DCB.

Norman MacLeod/McLeod the husband of Jeannette Morrison was NOT the same man as Capt. Lt. Norman MacLeod (of Talisker) despite this information being found in the Clan MacLeod genealogies. Capt. Lt. Norman MacLeod (of Talisker) was married to a Celcile Roberts of Detroit Michegan and resided at various times in Nova Scotia, New York and Detroit Michegan and does not appear to have ever been a resident of North Carolina.

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