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Note No. 1 - this participant, kit #
[N18584] transferred into our project through a partnership/business agreement between FamilyTreeDNA and the National Geographic Society's Genographic Project, a world
wide study of human migration patterns ... this participant has only done the
testing for the first 12-markers, and could fall into either Group No. 2 or Group No.
3 [and then again this could
be just a random match, and he could end up matching a totally different surname
group altogether] ... further test up grades will determine which is the case
:)
Note No. 2 - this participant, kit # [BRO219]
was tested by the company DNA-Heritage located in England, they and
FamilyTreeDNA, don't test for the exact same markers, but there is enough
of a cross over [the same markers] to see that there is a correlation between
this participant and those in Group No. 5 ... which he most likely belongs
within ... more on this below :)
Some noteworthy comments ...
Note: that [FTDNA] FamilyTreeDNA
of Houston, Texas, is the primary testing company that we are using for
the hdpth-DNA project, the main Lab that process the test results for
them currently*, is the University of Arizona. A total of 67-markers, in
pre-selected panels of 12, 25, 37 and 67. Each upgrade [step up] to the next
level, refines the test results, in order to try and show how closely related,
two or more participants might be. Of the current total number of markers being
tested, 28 of them do not cross over for comparison with the other two companies
mentioned below ... five of them are in the 3rd panel.
* FTDNA, in conjunction with them, recently acquiring the company
DNA-Fingerprint of Germany, and they are currently in the process of opening their own
DNA testing Lab in Houston, Texas ...
There is two other testing companies that handle surname projects, the
first is
[DNA-H]
DNA-Heritage of Weymouth,
Dorset, UK, and they also has an office in Rochester, NY ... the other is [RG]
Relative
Genetics of Salt Lake, Utah, Both of these companies test for the exact same
markers, a total of 43-markers of which nine do not cross over for comparison
with FTDNA test results. Both of these companies use the same Lab to process
their test results [SG] Sorenson
Genomics of Salt Lake, Utah. [Relative Genetics is actually a subsidiary
[along with several other entities] of Sorenson Genomics] ... Of the total
markers tested by FTDNA, 28 do not cross over for comparison with these two
companies :/
For those interested in their deep ancient ancestry XX thousands of years ago
your extended Marligen Biosciences
FAQ "frequently asked questions" ...
Will any medical info be gleamed from any of this DNA testing ?
Typically the answer is no, as for genealogical purposes, only
specific segments of the [male] Y-chromosome are being tested for in this
project.
* The only exception that we are aware of,
currently, is that in approx. 0.025% of the male population a null value may
occur for the P25 marker test. If the entire section is deleted, then the AZFc
gene which regulated fertility will also be deleted. Note that this is an
identical situation to the DYS464 marker in the Y-STR test. Which basically
means, with the absents [no reported value for these markers] that the subject
is sterile [without the aid of any medical intervention] and could not have
fathered any children.
Will any Law Enforcement Agencies and/or Insurance Companies be able to
get access to the test results/ test sample ?
Typically the answer is no, [1] for genealogical purposes, only
specific segments of the [male] Y-chromosome are being tested for in this
project. [2] In the court of law "IF" it were possible to be used, it would be
considered to be second-hand evidence, and there by, have a high suspicion of
being contaminated. [3] one would be hard pressed to prove exactly who the test
results actually came from, as they will not identify a specific individual i.e.
you, your son's, your brother's, their son's, your father, his brother's, their
son's, your father's father, and so on, any biologically, directly linked
male to male relative will have almost the exact same test results.
Will this DNA testing raise questions about paternity ?
Typically the answer for this specific project is no, as we do not
want to have more than one male participant from the same family unit tested :)
But ... yes, if two brothers or a father and son, and even two first
cousin's [who's father's were brother's] were to be tested, and their test
results did not come close to matching, then a paternity question would arise :/
This would be considered a private matter, and something we do not really want
to get involved with ... Those that know and/or have suspicions of a paternity
issue, can privately outside of this project investigate the matter further on
their own if they desire ...
Now with that said, let me say that there is nothing new under the sun ... IF
an incident does arise where two participant who thought their test results
should have at least come close to matching and they do not. This is not always
an indication of a recent event ... our ancestor were just as much human as we
are today, many have gone through the same hardships, trails and tribulations
that many of us have, if not more so ... When the test results of two
participant do not come close to matching when they were thought that they
should have, this is often referred to as an [NPE] a non paternity experience
... There are many reasons for this to have occurred, and doesn't always
indicate that somebody was a wild women ... i.e. [1] a known/unknown
adoption that might have been recorded and then again might not have been
recorded, sometimes in cases like those, one or both of the biological parents
might have died and a relative or near by neighbor took the orphan
child/children in and raised them as their own, [2] a husband could have died
shortly after marriage, and the widow remarried soon afterwards ... know or not
knowing that she was carrying a child fathered by her first husband ... and then
there is always the comment that I heard my own grandmother say a number of
time, "the first child can come along at any time, but it always seems to
take nine months for the second one" :)
Will this DNA testing answer questions regarding Native American Heritage ?
For the type of testing being done in this "surname" project ... Only if the
Native American ancestor is on the direct "male" lineage ... if you have to
hop-scotch back and forth between the sexes i.e. you being a male, and it's your
mothers father who is the Native American, your mother would "not" have received
the Y-DNA from her father, and the Y-DNA that you received would have came from
your father ...
FamilyTreeDNA test for
about �fast moving markers��what does that mean? If you have 2 people
who match, exactly, except on a single marker [or two] and those DYS#'s / marker(s) are
ones that are highlighted in RED, then the current estimate of
the distance, relationship wise, between 2 people will probably be overstated, and they
could be more closely related than could be assumed by the distance, suggested
by a standard single marker deviation ... boy was that a hard one to put into
words :/
Those participants in Groups No's 1, 2 & 3 will not find a connection with
those participants in Groups No. 4 & 5 ... the obvious indication is the haplogroup designation R1b1
and I1c
are two separate branches not directly related to each other on the [Phylogenetic
tree] the over all world family tree ... any connection would be XX
thousands of years ago, which some would referred to as your Deep Anthro [ancient]
ancestry ... way beyond any genealogical time frame of the past 500 to 1,000
plus/ minus years ago ...
Some general observations ...
The participant in Group No. 3, kit # [65590] is obviously in a group
all by himself, at the moment ... the results highlighted in yellow for
him indicate the mutations that he appears to have, that separate him from those
in Group No. 4 ... generally once the mutations surpass 3, 4 and/ or 5-plus, one
will be hard pressed in locating a family connection within a genealogical time
frame of the past 500 to 1,000 plus/minus years ... this doesn't mean it can't
occur, just that it will be vary rare if it does happen ...
The two participants in Group No. 1, kit # [59312] and kit # [29898]
might not have any connection to each other, as they are showing six
mutations away from each other ... but three of those are on markers that
are known to have faster mutation rates than others ... so it might end
up that these two will be split into separate groups of their own eventually ...
participant [29898] earliest know ancestor is Richard Hedgepeth born 1880
+/- NC
Those in Group No. 2 ... kit # [12893] and kit # [12887] the later
which is my own :) we are know 1st cousin's three times removed [that
is according to
this site],
i.e. his grandpa is my 3rd gr. grandpa ... we descend from Lemuel Hedgpeth
born 1757 in VA [presumed to be from Isle of Wight County] ... the
participant with kit # [29897] descends from a John Hedgepath of South
Carolina, who was born 1768 in VA ... currently we don't know the connection
between John and Lemuel, and there does not appear to be any indication that the
two were brothers ... but through this DNA testing we know without a shadow of a
doubt, they were related :) the other two participants with kit #
[29901] and kit # [29900] are obviously related to this group also, but without
their genealogical data readily at hand, I can't comment further on their most
distant hdpth ancestor connections ...
Those in Group No. 4 ... appear to have a connection to the HUDSPETH's
of Northumberland, England in the area of Corbridge ... the first two
participants, kit # [29896] and kit # [29899] have a known relationship to each
other [one is the nephew of a first cousin to the other] i.e ones grandpa is the
other's gr. grandpa :) although neither of them carry's the Hudspeth surname,
their test results indicate they have a connection to another participant who
does hold the Hudspeth surname ... and participant kit # [12942] does have a
paper trail genealogy, back to a Robert Hudspeth born 1768 in England,
as also does participant kit # [BRO219] ... only his goes back to a Edward
Hudspith 1660 +/- England ... one was located to the north of the town of
Corbridge, and the other was located to the south of that town :)
I don't have the genealogical data readily at hand for the two Hedgepath in this
group, at the moment ...
* note that GATA- H4 and TAGA- H4 are actually the same marker, and the value that FT-DNA gives for GATA-H4 needs the value to be bumped up one, in order
for a honest comparison ...
Do's and Don'ts: A Group
Administrator's Code of Ethics
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FT-DNA Participant #12942 now has a match with our newest DNA-H participant #BRO219 ... note the spelling variants of the two, a
positive connection is not known of as of yet, but their ancestral lineage have documented research, taking them both back to Northumberland, England .
One is from the UK and the other is from the USA ... this is very interesting ! and the following is how I read and intrepid their two results in this comparison.
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Although they both are off on four marker's, which might normally indicate that they were possibly not related, or it was way back before genealogical times [not reliable
for family research really ] ...
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BUT two of those marker's are on the ones that are known to show a faster mutation rate then the average, which indicates where a sub branch breaks off at
...
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the other two marker's are flags showing where a definite break of the two branches is located ...
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Now further digging into this, we can eliminate one of those flagged marker's bring these two guy's closer together to a common ancestor ... seems that the two companies
being used here, are using a different name and scale for evaluating marker # 27 GATA- H4 / TAGA- H4 and a adjustment needs to be made in the points/count that each company gives for
that marker ... to be in line with the NIST National Institute of Standards and Technology standards, this marker is now known by the name of TAGA-H4,
and the scale/value system that FT-DNA is using needs to be bumped up 1 point/count to increase the value from what they are giving for that marker ...
So now what does this all mean ? These two guy's are on face values, off on 3 marker's of being a perfect match, but 2 of those marker's are known for a faster mutation
rate, so in all actuality they could be only off on one marker of being a perfect match ... which would indicate that they are most definitely related :) with a Most Recent Common
Ancestor [where the two lines connect up at] at least somewhere within __ generations ... oops I don't have an exact or should say near exact number just yet, but it should be in the neighborhood
of 7 to 14 generations plus/minus :)
With future participation of other participants, taking a bold step like these participants did, we hope to have a wide cross
section of all the variant H*D*P*TH spellings who will join us in expanding and perhaps forming other family groups within this study ...
Please note: we would like to recommend that new participants do not sign up for the 12-marker test kit, but instead jump up to the 25-maker test kit ... reason
being, is due to the number of " some what" faults possibilities ...
I say some what, as generally almost all possible matches that come up
under the 12-marker testing, are of other surnames [not variants of our hdpth's],
but that's not to say, they could have a common ancestor 1,000 +/- years ago [perhaps before surnames came into common use.
To date [it's almost a year now] I have 58 matches that come up under the first 12-markers in the test results for myself. Of those matches, all but four were knocked out of our test
group, when comparing them with the 25-maker test results ... two of those [non hdpth's] are 2-steps off of being a perfect 25/25 match with participant #12893
and myself ... if both of us hdpth's were to jump up to the 37-marker test, chances are that the remaining two [close matches] would most likely be knocked out of our testing
group also ... just about all appear to
have an origin that has a connection to England, Ireland and or Scotland, with the majority being England :)
does your paper trail research appear to be at a dead end ?
Do you
have a guy in your family line,
that has just about everything ?
a pet rock, a star named after him, acreage on the moon ...
Bet
they don't have a Y-DNA test kit ... yet ?
To join our hdpth-DNA study group at FamilyTreeDNA click here
if you have any comments and or questions
click here to contact the group administrator
*Special* for participants age 70 plus ...
we will make arrangements to cover half the price of the 25 marker test ...
contact us for further details
sorry it's a little late for Father's day,
but you can still get Dad or Grandpa in on this
