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ENGLISH BACKGROUND STUDIES

4.0 TOPICALS

Data for Some particular families which seem to frequently come up in these studies are listed next, together with data for places outside of England

4.1 BUTLERS

Our first encounter with the Butlers was in Barbados where a dau. of Thomas and Sarah Helme married a Butler. The following is more on that family and on their settlements in America in PA, SC and other places.

THIS IS A QUERY THAT WAS CUT AND PASTED IN FROM THE BUTLER PAGE AT GENFORUM _ CAN WE OBTAIN THIS BOOK? GOT TO BE HELMS IN IT.

BUTLER FAMILY OF ENGLAND AND PENNSYLVANIA

(First Five Generations)
"A partially documented history of some of the Butlers [of] early 1700's to 1968 including A few allied or related families. _by EMMA PLUNKET IVY_
"A partially documented record of some Butler families of Newberry, Edgefield, Saluda Counties, South Carolina, and of Newton and Rockdale Counties, Georgia.
"Printed in the U.S.A. 1968, Peachtree Letter Service, Atlanta, Georgia."
This book can be found at the Oklahoma Historical Society in Oklahoma City, OK.

On page 4 of the book, the author lists the following Bibliography:
Anderson, Genealogy and Surnames. 1865.
Bardsley. English Surnames. 1875.
Bardsley. Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames. 1901.
Baring_Gould. Family Names. 1910.
Encyclopedia Americana. 1932.
Finlayson, Surnames and Sire Names. 1863.
Grussi. Chats on Christian Names. 1925.
Harrison. Surnames of the United Kingdom. 1912_1918.
Lower. Dictionary of Family Names. 1860.
McKenna. Surnames and Place_Names. 1890.
Weekley. Surnames. 1927
Woulfe. Irish Names and Surnames. 1923.

On pages 4 and 5, she writes about "The Family of Butler," which is an overview of the history of the family clear back to Fitzwalter.

On page 5, under "Additional Notes," she writes a one sentence statement:
"Butlers in South Carolina married into the tribe of the Cherokees."

Page 8:
JOHN BUTLER of Bristol, England m. Elizabeth Worley Jan. 13, 1674 at St. Mary Redcliff Church

JOHN BUTLER of Bedminster, England and Philadelphia, Pa.bapt. St. Mary Redcliff Church Oct. 5, 1674 m. 1703 Friends Mtg. Bristol, England., Bersheba Noble (Coombe) widow; to Philadelphia betw. 1704 & 1711

NOBLE BUTLER b. Bedminster, England. March 4 1704; d. Pa. 1799 res. Uwchlan Twp. Chester Co., Pa. m. 1727 Rachel Jones On page 9, she lists what appears to be children of Noble Butler and grandchildren:
[* denotes issue]
ENOCH BUTLER (ca. 1732_1801) Chester Co., Pa. m. Deborah Swayne
__Joshua Butler, Chester Co., Pa., m. Elizabeth_____*
__John Butler (d. 1831) Chester Co., Pa., m. Jane Moore
__Noble Butler (d. 1840) Delaware Co., Pa.., m. Isabella_____*
__Elisha Butler (d. ca. 1822) Chester Co., Pa., m. Mary_____*
__Rachel Butler (living 1830) Chester Co., Pa.
__Sarah Butler (1773_ca. 1850) Chester Co., m. Joseph Matthews*
__Elijah Butler (living. 1830) Chester Co., m. Jane Darlington*
__Swayne Butler, Chester Co., Pa., m._____*
__Benjamin Butler (d. 1815) Chester Co., Pa.
__?Abigail Butler
__Esther Butler

JOHN BUTLER (ca. 1734_1808) Chester County, Pa. m. 1. Elizabeth Samuel m. 2. Margaret _____
__John Butler (d. 1807_8) Chester Co., Pa., m. _____*
__?Other children

WILLIAM BUTLER (1738_1821) Chester & Delaware Cos., Pa. m. Jane Woodward
__Samuel Butler (1766_1840) Chester Co., Pa.*
__James Butler (1767_1837) Chester Co., Pa., m. Mary Phipps*
__Amos Butler (1769_1837) Pa. & Indiana, m. Mary Wallace*
__Ann Butler (born 1771) Chester Co., Pa., m. Isaac Taylor*
__Rachel Butler (1773_1853) Chester Co., Pa., unmarried
__Sarah Butler (1776_1842) Chester Co., Pa., unmarried
__William Butler (1780_1848) Chester Co., Pa., unmarried

NOBLE BUTLER (1739_1799) Penna. & Georgia m. _o_o_o_nah Beale
__Mary Butler (born 1764)
__Beale Butler (1766_1842) Wayne Co., Ind., m. Mary Stubbs*
__Jesse Butler (1768_ca. 1817) Morgan Co., Ga., m. Mary_____*
__Enos Butler (b. 1770) Rush Co., Ind., m. _____ Higginbottom*
__Noble Butler (b. 1773) Georgia?
__William Butler (1775_1841) Wayne Co., Ind., m. Elizabeth Woodyard*
__Eli Butler (b. 1778) Rush Co., Ind., m._____
___o_o_o_nah Butler (born 1781)
__Levi Butler (b. 1784) Henry Co., Ind., m._____*
__Edith Butler (born 1787)
__Hiram Butler (b. 1790) Cass Co., Ind., m._____*
__?Abner Butler
__?Samuel Butler

BERSHEBA BUTLER (living 1782) Penna. & Georgia m. John McCowen
__?Duncan McCowen (Warren Co., Ga. in 1794)
__?Noble McCowen (Warren Co., Ga. in 1805)
__?William McCowen (Warren Co., Ga. In 1805)

BENJAMIN BUTLER (1743_1805) Washington Co., Pa. m. Mary Rees
__David Butler (b. 1771)
__Jonathan Butler (1773_1845) Jefferson Co., Ind., m. Nancy Hopkins*
__Elizabeth Butler (b. 1774)
__Abner Butler (b. 1776) Washington Co., Pa., m._____*
__Eunice Butler (1778_1872) Washington Co., Pa.., m. David Woodward*
__Noble Butler (1780_1806) Washington Co., Pa.
__Isaac Butler (1782_1805) Washington Co., Pa.
__Benjamin Butler (1785_1822) Washington Co., Pa., m. Patsy Cochran*
__Joel Butler (1787_1845) Washington Co., Pa.
__Joseph Butler (b. 1790) Washington Co., Pa.
__Ira Rees Butler (1792_1884) Washington Co., Pa., m. Mary Boyd*

On page 12, the author seems to track her line through a Benjamin BUTLER, son of William BUTLER(?). This Benjamin, along with alleged brothers James and William, went "to South Carolina in the mid 1700's; that James and William settled in Edgefield County, S.C. and that Benjamin settled in Newberry County. We have proof that James settled in Edgefield County with a son named William who was born in Prince William County, Virginia in 1759. If there was a brother named William who came, too, no record of him is given in the Butler Family found in Vol. IV of the South Carolina Genealogical Magazine. Neither does Chapman mention a brother William in his History of Edgefield County. [She infers on page 104 that "William" might have been the father of Benjamin and James.]

"We have proof that Benjamin settled in Newberry County because his name appears on the roll of the Bushy Creek Baptist Church in 1795, and later on the roll of the Bush River Baptist Church.

"Benjamin probably had several children but we do not have proof of any but his son Henry."

On page 12, she writes:
"Beginning with Benjamin and tracing to the present, the author's line runs like this:

I. Benjamin Butler who came to S.C. from Prince William County, Virginia and settled in Newberry County, S.C. His son,
II. Henry Butler; his son,
III. Benjamin B. Butler; his son,
IV. Silas B. Butler; his son,
V. James Madison Butler; his daughter,
VI. Mary Spratling Butler Plunket; her daughter
VIII. Emma Plunket Ivy, the author."

The author continues to write about Henry, etc., and states that "Henry had a relative, Pierce Butler, who settled in the Charleston area. He came to South Carolina from Philadelphia. ... Tradition says that Pierce and Henry were brothers but this has been disproved through a search in the Archives in Ireland."

On page 104, titled "PIERCE BUTLER," she quotes the Encyclopedia Britannica in which it states that Pierce Butler (July 11, 1744_Feb. 15, 1822), senator, was born in Carlow County, Ireland, the third son of Sir Robert Butler, Baronet, Member of Parliament for Carlow County 1729_61, and of Henrietta (Percy) Butler. The article states that he was the same man who resided in South Carolina.

Correction _ Butler
There is a Butler book by Emma Plunket IVY (not Ivey). It is: "AS I FIND IT _ BUTLER": a partially documented history of some of the Butlers early 1700's to 1968 including a few allied or related families; a partially documented record of some Butler families of Newberry, Edgefield, Saluda counties, South Carolina, and of Newton and Rockdale counties, Georgia.

It is a 250 page book, also printed by Peachtree Letter Service, in Atlanta, GA, in 1968.
It is owned by:
Connecticut State Library
Jacksonville, Fl, Public Library
Miami_Date Pub Library System
Atlanta_Fulton Public Library
Gwinnett County, GA, Public Library
Allen County, IN, Public Library
Detroit, MI, Public Library
Minneapolis Public Library
St. Louis, MO, Public Library
State Library of North Carolina
State Historical Society of Dakota
Buffalo & Erie County Public Library
Akron_Summit County Public Library
Newberry Col, SC
University of South Carolina
University of Tennessee
University of Utah
University of Virginia

Butlers Cont

Butlers of Bewsey
"In the past it has been brought to my attention that some Helmes were related to Butlers".
The following is another extract from Jessica Lofthouse's book:-

BUTLERS OF BEWSEY

Some artistic license was drawn into 18th and 19th century picture of Bewsay Hall on the Mersey at Burtonwood near Warrington. It was very charming, a 'beausite', with fronting lawns, backed by tall trees, and swans preening themselves on the river banks. Less remains now to fire the imagination.

In the 12th century the 'botellers' of the Earls of Chester came here as Lords of Warrington, and generations rode out as barons and knights of the shire to sit in the council of kings. With retainers wearing their badge, three covered cups, many Butlers went forth to war.etc etc etc

BUTLERS OF OTHER WYRESIDE FAMILIES
The Richard Butler of Our Rawcliffe who died in prison before execution in 1716 ended the main branch of an old family, for he was last of the royal 'botelers' of Bewsey and Rawcliffe, Lords of Warrington, powerful landholders 'from time immemorial' in the Fylde.
They also as papists, royalists and jacobites sealed their own fate.

4.2 Callender

This what I found on CALLENDER
Page 160 Clement Bowcher
P156,159,160 Eliz
P119,121,156 James
P155 John
P160 Joseph
P156,157,158 Mary
P156, 159 Richard
P156,160 Sarah
Pages 114_121 were Barbados Wills
Pages 154 _ 166 were Barbados Wills.

4.3 DUESBURY

From Caribbeana IV
This is what was found on DUESBURY
Page 165 Eliz
P165, 297 John
P165 (2 mentions) Samuel
P163 Wm
P163 James
P163 Samuel

Below is the detailed information:

Barbados Wills
1706 William Duesberry
1716 Samuel Dewsberry
1718 James Dewsberry
1767 (twice) Samuel Duesbury
1775 Elizabeth Duesbery
1765 John Duesbury

Marriages and Deaths from "The Columbian Magazine or Monthly Miscellany published in Kingston Jamaica 1796_1800
Died in November 1798 _ In Kingston, Mr John Duesbury.
MARY DEWBERRY, 47, buried 22 March 1773 at St Thomas' Church, Middle Island, St Christopher.

4.4 FALKENBURG/FALCONBERG

Falkenburg has been ascribed to both England and Germany.

In England, the Falkenburg name was pronounced Falkenburg but spelt "Fauconberg". That was an English gentry family with a pedigree as long as your arm.
With a name like that, they probably came over in 1066 with William the Conqueror.
A review of "Burkes Peerage" should be made.
The German family has been ascribed to Holstein.
At least one reference exists for Isaac Falkenborough, in the Caribbean.

Cecil O'Dell on Pa. 434 in his book "Pioneers of Old Frederick County Va." indicated that Andrew "Falkenbrugh" was on the North River Shenandoah by Jul 23 1737 when he signed a road petition with Jacob, and Henry
"Folkenburough".
The name is often misspelled, even as far afield as Fortenburg. Ete endinf has been shown in a number of forms, berg, burg, boro, borough, berry, brugh, and burough. Falken exists alone in some records, as well.
And on page 432 and 433, O'Dell showed the location of a 300 acre place which Andrew "Falkenbrugh" sold to Wolrick/Ulrick Keener for 6 pounds_10 shillings on 5 Aug 1745. The other places shown on the figure are places sold to various people by Hite This data comes from the Hite/Fairfax Lawsuit, British Copy, Hunter Mckay Extract, pp 1643_1649 and pp1764_1776. That reference has not been seen. Obviously Falkenboro(sp) had sold that place prior to this.
That place is located approximately midway between Woodstock and Edinburg,Va., on the old Wagon Road. This is shown in the main sections of this website. Besides this, Falkenburg(sp) was commissioned to do surveys and road maintenance there- abouts and in that connection surveyed a line behind the place of George Helm , which has not been precisely located, but is thought to have been at about the intersection of Rte 11 and 601. near Sandy Hook, just south of present-day Strasburg, VA.

(Note: Woodstock is also a village in England - near Henley on Thames. That place suggests the English Fauconbergs, discussed elsewhere in this paper.)

The significance is the wife of George Helms in NC was a Falkenbury/Fortenbury(sp). Obviously, everyone was having trouble with the spelling of that name. We are still working on the George Helm part of this. Sid Aronson thinks that George may have been a "renter", as we have not found a Helms land holding there. We do show a sketch of one of the three Falkenburg places which were said to have been side by side astraddle the old Wagon Road.

Herewith the info as promised _ I could not get hold of a Burkes Peerage and have had to make do with Debretts. I copied the page in the library and I have a black line down some of the writing.

FAUCONBERG AND CONYERS, BARONIES OF (Pelham).by Debretts
Predecessors: Walter de Fauconberg, son of Walter de Fauconberg of Ryse summoned to Parliament by ..... writs, the earliest being in 1283, signed the famous letter to the Barons to the Pope in 1301; died 1304. His son ....... summoned to Parliament 1303 _1318 _ died 1318 and so it goes on for a paragraph.

Joan, suo jure Baroness Fauconberg married Sir William Nevill son of the Earl of Westmorland. [Note: Nevilles also became not only Earls of Westmorland but also Earls of Warwickshire at a later date]. Her husband died in 1463. Much later, an Alice Fauconberg married Sir John Conyers. William, first Baron Conyers born1863 married 1886 was also the 4th Earl of Yarborough.

So, one could say that the Fauconbergs and the Nevills and the Conyers were related and future generations would be aware of this fact through their heraldry.

Other Fauconberg branches married the Shireburn Weld_Blundells which are familiar names to us, which suggests some branches of this family remained Catholic and we have no chance of finding any baptisms which would not have been recorded in C of E records..

Subject: FAUCONBERG
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:12:06 -0000
From: "Susan Grimshaw"
To: "Ira Helms"

In the Lancashire Family History and Heraldry Society Mag for November is an article on the Coats of Arms in the St Thomas Chapel which is situated in the East end of the South West Aisle of The Priory and Parish Church of St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire.

FAUCONBERG
===========
Roland Belasyse, 6th Viscount of Henknowle, Baron Fauconberg of Yarum, eldest son of Anthony Belasyse. Died 9 Oct 1754.
Arms: Quarterly 1 and 4 Argent a chevron Gules between three fleur de lys Azure (Belasyse). 2 & 3 ARgent a pale engrailed between two pallets plain Sable (Errington).
(Silver shield, red chevron, blue fleurs de lys). (Silver shield black pale and pallets).
Crest: On a viscount's coronets, a lion couchant guardant Azure. A hart's head erased Propoer attired Or vulned by an arrow Or feathered ARgent.
Supporter: Dexter - A buck holding in its mouth a branch of oak fructed all Proper.
Sinister - A unicorn zure armed and unguled Or.
Motto: Bonne et belle assez (Good and handsome enough).

Other arms in this chapel are: BECKET (Archbishop of Canterbury 1162-70), CANTERBURY, HIGGIN (of Bury), ATKINSON (of Kirkby Lonsdale), WHEWELL (of Lancaster), ADAMS (of London).

Regards Susan

Falkenburg, General
According to one English dictionary a "burgh" is a) a Scottish town with a charter from the King or b) lord of regality or c) a Baron.
Why do you suppose the English used the word "Falk" when they named the Falkland Islands.
To complicate matters further. The Fauconbergs (English) were Earls. The Crown Heads of Europe at the time married "European" families. The English have people who are descendants of the Hanoverians on the throne right now. Prince Michael of Kent was first cousin to the Russian Romanovs, who was at a recent English funeral. The titled English families could also have married their counterparts in Europe and we could have English families intermarried with German ones. So. that family may have been multi-national in scope.

Henry Z. Jones places Falkenburgs(sp) in other places in Germany, than Holstein Like many other families, it appears that Falkenburgs have roots in many places.

Like Henry Jones, we probably have to get specific. He is in the business of pinpointing specific home places and hometown church records. In that case, he (and his associates) have located the specific German connections of over 600 of the 800_odd on Gov. Hunter's NY list of Palatines. But he warns that there are errors in all of the lists involving the 33,000 Palatines. Many died at sea, of course. They were herded together on crowded ships much like the African Slaves of later years.

Henry Jones has pinpointed a German source place (Neuweig) but indicated that more work is needed.
As pointed out above, Conyers were also Fauconbergs in England..

Somerset & Dorset Notes and Queries p 342 /V. L. Oliver
________Fauconberg
, and his wife Jane , dau. of Sir Robert Boteler (Butler) of Hertford He died 1658, and was buried in the Fields, London. This was incomplete and did not give his first name. This tends to link the Butlers and English Fauconbergs. The Butlers were marriage partners of the children of Thomas and Sarah Helme of Barbados.

4.5 FORSTER/FOSTER

This is what I found on FORSTER

P222 Ann
P223 Christian
P221 Dorothy
P221,22,223 Edward
P221 (twice) 222 (twice) George
P229 Isaac
P222 Isaac Thorpe
P221,222,223 John
P222 Reynold
P220, 222 Sarah
P219 Thomas
P220 (twice) 221 (twice) 222 William
_o_o_o_

This is what if found on FOSTER

P367 Edmund
P219 Eliz
P219 George
P220 Hester
P15 (twice), 40, 220, 221 John
50 (twice) Margaret
P274 Mr
P220 Rose
P95, 220 Thomas
P50, 220 Wm

4.6 FUNK

This is the crux of the Funk involvement with Helms in Western Va, Funk is not English but was a key figure where we found the Falkenburgs and George Helms: The Funk mill from where the Falkenburg New Road Survey started in 1744. Starting at Funk's Mill, the survey next ran behind the place of George Helm, then to a Cedar Creek ford, and then Eastwards to the place of Robert McKay, Jr's place, near Cedarville, then South to the Shenandoah River, at near Front Royal, Va.. Funk Cemetery Location: Route 11 South of Strasburg to top of Fishers Hill on Cecil Fravel Farm. Cemetery located about one fourth mile West (South West) of house. There are three graves: 1. Elizabeth wife of Jacob Funk born Nov. 15, 1795 died May 30, 1876 aged 80 years 6 mos and 18 days 2. Jacob Funk born April 2, 1795 died March 15, 1872 aged 76 years 11 mos and 13 days 3. David Fisher died Mar 10, 1871 aged 90 years MILLS AND MILLERS Fisher, N. J., Grist Mill, Now Tumbling Run (Earlier, Funks Mill Run.) John Funk Mill earlier. Water powered. Little remains. Operating 1885. A dam was built upstream during the early 1900s and the mill was used to generate electricity. A large pipe was used to convey water from the dam to the mill at that time. The dam is still standing. Fishers Hill. Mill apparently taken down after it's use for electrical generation no longer practical ca 1930s. Corrected Funk, Henry, Mill, Cedar Creek. Funk, John, Mill, Funks Mill Run, (Now Tumbling Run), Fisher's Hill. Located near the Valley Pike, (Philadelphia Road) ca 1743-(the old Wagon Road). Water powered. (See Fisher, N. J. above)." There is supposed to have been a 1743 deed for John Funk , Sr, but we have not found it. Irene did find a description of a 1749 Deed to John Funk, Sr . I made a transcript of the 1749 Fairfax Deed to John Funk Sr. which links to the preexisting John Funk place at Tumbling Run, as follows: Partial Transcription of Fairfax Deed to John Funk, Sr., add-on of 355 acres in 1749, on Tumbling Run. Pa 248, Univ. of VA Library. "....unto John Funk, Senior, of the county of Frederick, a certain tract of waste and ungranted land in the said county on Tumbling Run, bounded by also a survey thereof made by George Byrne followeth : Beginning at a small Spanish oak and a small white oak, standing on a point corner to the said Funk''s former tract, and extending thence 52 W 212 poles along a ridge, and on the side of a gulley thence enclosing the said gulley, N 80 W 200 poles along a ridge and to the side of the ridge up a branch to a white oak on the N side of said ridge to as white oak on said ridge and on the S side of said gulley, thence enclosing the said gulley, N 80 W 200 poles to a stake near a marked-oak on a hillside, thence N 52 E 400 poles to another stake between two oaks and one white oak near path thence S 30 E 86 poles near two Spanish oaks standing in the line of the said Funk''s patented land on the E side of a road thence binding with his old lines to the said Tumbling Run and down the same to the beginning containing 355 acres... together with all rights.... 4 August 1749. Signed Fairfax " With this 355 acre add-on, John Funk, Sr was increasing his holdings near Tumbling Run, a moderate stream which bears that name to the present time. It is closely followed by a road presently labeled Funk''s Rd., SH 601, shown on present-day maps of that area. Funk Mill was located near there. That deed sort of proves the prior deed which we have not found, so far. It has been shown that a Jacob Funk lived there and is buried in a grave yard near Fishers Hill. This is the site of an early Funk''s Mill on Tumbling run. Thus, the Falkenburg survey in 1744 began near this site. The survey likely went down the Funk''s Mill Road (SH 601) to the Valley Road (presently Rte 11), passed behind George Helm''s place, possibly at the intersection of Funk''s road and the Valley Road, and thence N. to a crossing of Cedar Creek, and on to Mckay's place near Cedarville, and, finally, South to the Shenandoa River, approaching Front Royal. The Valley Pike or Road (Philadelphia Road), now Rte 11, dates from about 1743. We are yet to find anything on the George Helm's place, mentioned in the Survey. I personally think it was a node or turning point for the survey and was near that intersection. we have a picture of the signs at that intersection. Because of the build-up of, first, Rte 11, a major highway, now largely replaced in function by Interstate Rte 81, any evidence of prior places at that intersection will have disappeared long ago. Sid Aronson thinks George Helm(?), may have been a "renter", there. The Falkenburg place which we had previously found near Narrow Passage Creek, also on Rte 11, midway between Edinburg and Woodstock, was about 12 miles South of the intersection of Funk Rd and Rte 11. Now ,we have found, in the Paper, "Fairfax Land Suit" by H. B. McKay, there were three Falkenburg places, but so far we have only found one. The Funks have been shown to have had lots of land around Strasburg. The place we have focussed on for George Helm would have been on Funk land after about 1743. Since we do not find a Funk-to-Helm land transfer, I agree with Sid that George may have rented a place, maybe a "way-station" on the Valley Pike. Strasburg did not then exist. That area was totally owned by the Funks in the time period of interest, they having gotten it from Henry Willis in a 2030 a. purchase in 1743. There is a 1743 Willis Deed. However, we have sufficient information that we have "fixed" the Funk Mill place on Tumbling Run which was the start of the Falkenburg road survey in 1744. The next step is to review county land records in the several counties involved. We figure the survey went down Funk's Mill Road. State Rte 601. to an intersection at the old wagon road, and that is where we think the George Helm's place was-maybe just a way-station on the old road. Somewhere in that area to the left was the places of Joseph Helm and a Tidwell friend. As a major part of the study, we have been exploring the history of the Fairfax Land suit by Hite and Mckay which is in the background of all of this. Lord Fairfax refused to give deeds to some of the persons who Joist Hite and Robert McKay had sold property to, He had gotten a new survey which overlapped much of the area involved, such that these people had to go to Fairfax if they wanted a valid deed. It was a big mess. The court case took 15 years. So you can imagine the effect on all of the people there. Their land titles were held up that long. A few bought again from Fairfax, some fought it out in court. It went past our time for the Helms trip south (about 1747) so they probably took off right in the middle of it. We have not located the exact places of the Joseph Helm or Tidwell places. The actual trial was tried beginning in 1749, but the controversy had started long before that. It's sort of complex. The Helms are not mentioned in the transcript, of the trial as they wouldn't since by 1749 they had been in NC for about 2 years. It does really mix up searching for data. We have a copy of the transcript "Fairfax Land Suit Transcript of a copy in the British Museum". This copy leaves out some of the British material. Can't tell if we lost anything important to us. As it stands right now, we do not use any of it, except as background. As you saw, above, Funk took out a Fairfax grant in Aug 1749, right in the middle of the law suit's start, which started in Oct.. Many, who were able, did that to cover their hindsides. With the exception of Joseph Helm, our Helm/Helms people didn't even get a mention. (The Falkenburg survey was in1744). However, it appears that our people had the money to make the trip South, and to buy land in NC when they got there. We guess they never put down real roots there, else they might have lost it all. Most of the Helms we I have known weren't dumb.

4.7 MEREDITH

The Merediths should be of the gentry class. Shropshire and Wales where Merediths have been found were close to Gloucestershire and Worcestershire was the next county.
The collected records for the early US sometimes called the Pre 1790 Census, (That is before the Federal period).

Merediths:
Merediths were in Chester Co, Bucks Co., and Philadelphia, Pa.; in Burlington and Gloucester Co, NJ, and in NY, NC, SC, and Va, by 1790.
Since some persons had Meredith first names, those were looked at too thinking that those may indicate marriages to Merediths.
1, Thomas, ~1620--1717, (1) and 4) may join to put Thomas in the Elisha's line, below, thus, of Wales, but maybe England.
1a) Samuel, 1688-1762, Kent Co. Va
2) Jane, m. Thos Lloyd , Shropshire England.(No dates)
3) Elisha, Sr., 1720-1796,Hanover Co, Va.
3a) Issaih ,~1770-18xx, mar. M. Harland of Chester co Pa., father fr. England
4) Thomas, 1744-1842, Wales, lived in Clarion co Pa.
4a) Sons , Thomas, Jonathan, George, Dau Sarah
5) James, 1746-~1800, Bedford Co, Va, m. Mary Crews
6) Henry, 1775-1859, Meath co, Ire, mar. Editha Le Hart, Wexford Ire.
7) David, ...-1787, Wales, d. Brunswick co Va.
7a) Davis, 1750-1875 m. Nancy Pritchard, d. Mongahelia Co, Va.

This list invokes Wales, Ireland, and Shropshire, England. in Meredith background.
This list does not identify the Meredith/Helm connection, specifically.
Specifics of the Census mentioned above place Samuel(1782) and Davis(1748) in Maryland.(this is probably the connection with Meredith Helm of ; Samuel was in Baltimore, MD, same as Meredith Helm, for a while, but maybe in England) A number on the list were in Queen Ann's Co, Md and in the original Md Colony. As with the Helmes, the name has a number of spellings in the records. More British data is needed on the Merediths

4.8 Nelmes

NELMES of Virginia
In "Northumberland Co. (VA) Apprenticeships", there was a Peter Presley as a Judge in two cases. This is another instance supporting the presence here of Presleys, well before the Preslars came

And, there was a John Nelmes deceased in 1727, and a Charles Nelms 1725, and Samuel and Thomas, 1745-1750. That might have been spelled Helmes earlier but, after this, the name were propagated in Va as Nelmes

There were 3 items on Lindsays (Anne, Eliz., and Opie) all indentured young people All of these relate to Apprenticeships in some way. Remember that John Helme of Charles Co. MD went to Va to verify a sig. for a widow Lindsey and that Leonard or Meredith Helm had a bond supported by a Lindsey.

Another Nelmes: See Richard, below:
Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications has two books 1) "Pee Dee Settlers" by John M. Gregg, 1993 and 2) "Early Virginia Immigrants", by George C. Greer, first pub. 1912, reprint 1998. Both are primarily reference books.
1) That book contains a list of individuals who settled in the Pee Dee region of SC before the first US census in 1790. It gives the families, dates and locations and other information, when available
There were no Helms or similar spellings. There were several Polks, beginning with Thomas, Sr in 1759, and one Alexander Craig family in 1772; 5 Presseleys, begining with John and Margaret in 1737; 18 Smiths, beginning with Richard and Mary Blakely in 1725.
2) The Virginia Book expands the List of Virginia Cavaliers and Pioneers, by Nugent. Nugent had primarily listed those with PATENTS. This expands that to other land holders of record. And, it gives the names of settlers whose names occur in the State Land Office for the years 1623-1666. It gives the County (of that time) for most of them
a) Christopher Tillman 1638, was listed. He lived at James City County. As I recall his location was not listed in this book
b) Some Meeks were listed
c) Some Rhodes/Rodes were listed
d) 13 people associated with Merediths were listed
e) Specific individuals who were substantially involved with the settlement of others were listed
(1) George Mynifie (52
(2) Capt Thos Willoughby (18
(3) Robert Hallom/Hallum (16>
(4) Robert Elam/Elan (10
(5) Richard Nelmes (7

NELMES in Britain

From: markandjanboyes
To: Susan Grimshaw
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Helme/Elms
It was really interesting to hear all the information you told me last night. I received your e-mail about the web sites. I read a bit of it, & I am going to read the rest later. (I have 2 teenage children, both of them vying for a go on the internet - so we have to take turns!)
You have all worked very hard on the Helms line, & I am really impressed at all the info you all have managed to find.
As I said on the phone, my middle name is ELMS. I will give the early history of my line:.
I have got back to Chew Magna, Somerset, when my 7xg grandparents, William ELEMES & Frances Petars married in 1701.
They seem to be the first mention of Elms in C.M. parish records.
One of William's son's, Samuel ELMES, moved to Hallatrow approx 1802 & married at High Littleton, Somerset.
It was at this stage, that they changed their name to NELMES. When they moved from Hallatrow to High Littleton in approx 1810, that is when Samuel & his wife, Mary, changed the spelling to Nelmes. On the Parish Records for High Littleton, Samuel & Mary, baptised their children, some with different spellings. They had 8 children, 1 was recorded as ELMES, 1 as ELMS, 1 as NELMS, & the rest as NELMES. The name change was from approx, 1810 to approx 1839, then they reverted back to the spelling of ELMS.
Someone told me that people tended to change the spellings as they moved from parish to parish, also because they were illiterate, they spelt it as they heard it.
Some of the family moved to S. Wales approx. 1846/1850, followed by quite a few siblings.
My line moved to Co. Durham approx 1858/1860. Most of the men in my line were Coal Miners.
I mentioned on the phone about one of my ancestors moving to West Virginia.
I have only sketchy details about her, the info was given to me 2nd hand by someone who is doing a different branch of my line.
It was someone called Keith Rowlands, who lives in Wales, who told me, & it his line I will tell you about now.
Keith's 3xg grandfather was brother to my 3xg grandfather. Keith's 3xg gf was called William Elms (born at H. Littleton, 1819)
William married 2nd wife, Mary Ann Lovell, in Wales. One of their children was Mary Ann Elms, born on Jan 5th 1861 at Cwmtillery in Wales. William died & his wife & family were sent back to Somerset, & they were found on the 1871 Census living at Clutton Union Workhouse. Mary Ann's age was recorded as 8, but in fact she would have been about 10.
Keith has told me that he couldn't find any other information on her except, he has been told that she married someone with the surname ANDERSON (he is very sketchy about the surname - relying on a distant memory - so not too sure whether info is correct)
He knows that she emigrated to West Virginia, but again, doesn't know when. He doesn't know whether she married in England or U.S.A., he has looked for marriage details but has been unsuccessful. I think that it would have been sometime after 1881 that she went to U.S.A, as she would only have been 20 in 1881.
He has sent me a copy of a postcard & a family group photo that came from Mary Ann's daughter, although he presumed that Mary Ann was on photo, he didn't know who the people were - there were no names on.
The postcard was posted in 1910, the address was 210 - 29 Street, Wheeling, W. Virginia. It was written by Rachel (Anderson??)
daughter of Mary Ann Elms. She had sent the postcard to her Uncle who lived in Treorchy, Wales.
Best wishes from
Jan Boyes.

Three thoughts come up about the Nelmes spelling:
One is that the persons involved in the Parish Records probably never saw what was written down. Another, is that often one is looking at transcribed records, not originals, Some scribes made the 'ornamental" capital letters H and N somewhat alike. In fact, some H's look like A's, which could easily appear as N's. And Susan has pointed out that in a lot of circumstances the recordings we have came from oral exchanges and Nelmes could have come from a John Helms saying his name as "Johnelmes", which could have gotten down as "Jno Nelmes" or John Elme, especially by a person prone to make the "H" silent.
Nevertheless, we have the name Nelms propagated in early Virginia, and maybe elsewhere. We have generally ignored the Nelmes, thinking that it does not lead to our NC Helms. That could be mistake.

The mention of Wales, while late in time for us, is interesting. A shown above, the idea that people stayed put in one place is not likely.

 

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