Roger Carminowe of Tregothnan, Cornwall

CARMINOWE

Roger held a knight's fee in Moreland in 1173.

Issue-

Ref:

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.147
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.72
"The Coffin Family"- p.83

2I. ROGER (ROGER 1)

Roger witnessed a charter to Trenant about 1220.(1)

Issue-

· 3I. ROBERT-

Ref:

(1) Charter in Muniment Room at Tregothnan

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.147
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.72
"The Coffin Family"- p.83

3I. ROBERT (ROGER 1, ROGER 2)

Robert was a witness in 1235, 1256 and in 1263.(1) He held 15 librates of land in Cornwall due to his military service early in the reign of Henry III, but he was not made a knight.(2)

Issue-

· 4I. ROGER- m. SARAH (4) HORNICOTE

· II. William- William held 15 librates of land in Cornwall 40 Henry III (1256).

Ref:

(1) Charter at Tregothnan
(2) Cott. M.S. Claud. II, fo. 30d.

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.147
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.72 "The Coffin Family"- p.83

4I. ROGER (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3)

m. SARAH (4) HORNICOTE (De Tintagel)

In 1235 Roger held one acre of land in Dobelboys containing one Cornish Carucate of land.(1) Roger was named in the Assize Roll 12 Edward I (1284).

Issue-

· I. John- d.s.p.

· 5II. ROGER- m. JOANNA _____, d. 1308

· III. Gervas-

· IV. Maud or Lucy- m. Robert Helligan, d. 1276

Ref:

(1) Testa de Nevil- p.201

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.147
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.72
"The Coffin Family"- p.83

5II. ROGER (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4)

m. JOANNA ______ (m.2. John Arundell, d. between 1299 & 1329 Grey Friars, Bodmin)
d. 1308

The Carminowe Cross- Bodmin

Sir Roger was a M.P. for Cornwall in 1300 and was a crusader (the last crusade was in 1270). He held two knight's fees in Trelowyth and Eglosros. Roger was involved in a court case against Peter de Lanenek pertaining to lands in East and West Dysart.(1)

In 1284 Roger was charged for having one entire knight's fee, was of full age and had not been made a knight.(2) In 1296 "Sir" Roger was summoned to perform military service in person against the Scots.(3) In 1297 he was reported by the Sheriff of Cornwall as holding lands or rents of the annual value of £20 and upwards and was therefore summoned to perform military service with horses and arms etc. "in parts beyond the seas".(4) In 1296 he paid the scutage for Wales.(5) In 1300 he was a member of Parliament and had his writ "de expensis".(6)

In 1301 Sir Roger was a witness to a charter of Thomas de Pridias, Lord of Penstradou, granting to Odo de Rupe three Cornish acres of land in the town of Sheysmore and in the next year he was a witness to two charters relating to Killiganoun and Trevilla.(7) In 1301 Roger was again summoned from Cornwall to perform military service in person against the Scots (8) and in the following year he was a member of Parliament (9) and had his writ 20 Oct. 1302.(10) In 1301 he held in Trelowith and Eglosros one fee valued at £8.(11)

Roger was called to reply to the King for his manor of Wynynton. He said that Richard, formerly Earl of Cornwall, gave to a certain Gervaise de Hornyngcote, his ancester, the manors of Wynynton, Merthyn, and Tamerton in exchange for the manor of Bochym which exchange King Henry, father of this King (Edward I), ratified, which same charter and deed Roger presents.(12)

Roger died in 1308 possesed of the manors of Wynynton and Merthen and also of the manor of Tamerton (which Martin de Fishaer held for the term of his life) which were held from the Earldom of Cornwall by the service of the twentieth part of one knight's fee.(13) In 1300 Roger also held one fee in Hornicote of the annual value of £25.

Issue-

· I. Matilda- m. 1. Sir William Ferrers, 2. Baro de Slane, 3. John Bonville, 4. Champernon de Berr Ferris

· II. Joanna- m. William de Wellesbro(14) (d. 1329) d. after 1332

· III. Oliver- b. 1278, m.1. Elizabeth Pomeroy sister of John Holland, Duke of Exeter 2. Isolda daughter of Reginald Ferrers 3. about 1335 Sibell ______, d. 1345

· 6IV. JOHN- m. JANE (2) GLYNN, d. Nov. 1331

· V. Richard-

· VI. Minanus (Thomasine)- d.s.p.

Ref:

(1) Assize Roll 11 Edward I, m1-20, 3.m.14
(2) Assize Roll, Cornwall, m1-20, 5.m.11
(3) Rot. Claus., 28 Edward I, m.12d
(4) Cott. M.S. Claud II, fo.64
(5) Rot. Pip., 25 Edward I
(6) Rot. Claus., 28 Edward I, m.12d
(7) Charters at Tregothnan
(8) Rot. Claus., 29 Edward I, m.12d & 13
(9) Parl. Writs
(10) Rot. Claus., 30 Edward I, m.3d
(11) Extent of the Fees of Joceus de Dinham- Inq. P.M. 29 Edward I, No.56
(12) Assize Roll 30 Edward I, ob.1308, Inq.P.M. 2 Edward II No.73
(13) Inq. P.M. 2 Edward II No.73
(14) Charters at Nettlecomb Park, Co. Somerset; Pedes Finium 12 Edward II, Trinity; Ped. Fin. 14 Edward II No.1

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.148-9
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.72
"The Coffin Family"- p.83
"An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall"-C. Gilbert, p.55

6IV. JOHN (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4, ROGER 5)

m. JANE (JOANNA)(2) GLYNN (buried in church of Grey Friars at Bodmin in 1349)
d. 1331

By his marriage with Jane, Sir John obtained the manor of Glynn and other large estates, but whether the manor of Boconnoc was included in the dowry or came by a grant from the earldom of Cornwall is uncertain.(1)

In 1320 Sir John brought suit for the confirmation of certain deeds.(2) In 1324 he was advanced to a Knight and was reported by the Sheriff of Cornwall as holding lands and rents to the amount of £40 a year and was therefore summoned by a general proclamation to attend the Great Council at Westminster.(3) On 10 Oct. 1331 he was granted the custody of the royal forests, parks, woods and warrens in Cornwall, but he died soon afterwards (4) and on 20 Jan. 1333/4 the Bishop of Exeter issued a mandate to revoke the acceptance of the will of John de Carmynow, Knt. by the Archdeacon of Cornwall.(5)

Issue-

· I. John- m. Anne Maryet, d.s.p.

· 7II. WALTER- m. ALICE (4) TYNTON

· III. Margaret- m. Sir John Beaupre, d.s.p.

· IV. Roger-d.s.p.

· V. Thomas- living in 1352, d.s.p.

· VI. Reginald-

· VII. John-

Ref:

(1) "An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall"- pp.55-6
(2) Rot. Fin., 14 Edward II, m.
(3) M.S. Cott. Claud. C.II, fo. 45
(4) Rot. Fin. 5 Edward III
(5) Bishop Grandisson's Register- Vol.II, fo.177

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.151-2
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.72
"The Coffin Family"- p.83

7II. WALTER (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4, ROGER 5, JOHN 6)

m. ALICE (4) TYNTON

Sir Walter was a minor at his father's death and was a ward of John Plantagenet, Earl of Cornwall.(1)

In 1337 Walter, his mother Johanna and John Dyngelly were sued by Nicholas de Bethbole for unjustly taking from him a free tenement in Bethbole juxta Tretheven, but he lost the case.(2)

Issue-

· I. Ralph- m.1. 14 June 1372 Katherine Champernon (m.1. Sir Wales Wodeland(3)) m.2. Alice ______ (m.2. Sir John Rodeney (d. 1400) 3. Sir William Bonville (d. 1408), d.1425) d. 9 Oct. 1386(4). Ralph was a M.P. for Cornwall in 1384 and sheriff of the same county in 1379. In 1377 Ralph Carminow, Knight and his brother William petitioned the King stating that William Champernon was seized of certain manors and had two daughters and died with the daughters entering into possession of his property and made a division of this estate between them. One daughter married John Sergeaux who wanted the whole inheritance and to achieve this end he sent several men to the Carminowe manor at Bockonnoc and attacked Ralph and his wife and carried away £200 worth of goods leaving Ralph for dead. Ralph then rented this manor to his brother William. John Sergeaux as Sheriff of Cornwall entered William's manor with a large number of armed men and took £1000 worth of goods.(5) Ralph was killed having been dragged over a cliff while coursing with a brace of greyhounds.

· 8II. WILLIAM- b.c. 1356, m. MARGARET KELLEY (d. 16 Oct. 1420) d. 8 Feb. 1407

· III. Matilda- m. John de Wylyngton, d. 22 Aug. 1382

Ref:

(1) Pipe Office Enroll. Escheat. Acc. No.8
(2) Assize Roll 11 Edward III, N2-20, 4m.111., Sub. Roll, 1 Edward III 7/87
(3) Bishop Brantingham's Reg., fo.22
(4) will proved at Lambeth 31 Jan. 1386/7; Inq. P.M. 10 Richard II No.11
(5) Petitions to the King in Council c. 1562, 1563, writ dated 10 Dec. 1 Richard II

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.152,154
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.74
"The Coffin Family"- p.83
"An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall"-C. Gilbert, p56

8II. WILLIAM (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4, ROGER 5, JOHN 6, WALTER 7)

b.c.1356
m. MARGARET KELLEY (d. 16 Oct. 1420(1))
d. 8 Feb. 1407(2)

Sir William was the sheriff of Devon in 1391 and a M.P. for Cornwall in 1407.

At the famous suit in which Scrope, Grosvenor and Carminowe all claimed the same shield, the Court of Chivalry found William to descend from this lineage since King Arthur's time. The Court therefore contented itself with ordering William to put a canton for difference in the top right of his shield. The suit was brought in 1389 and lasted four years.(3)

The inquisitione post mortem 8 Henry V, No.99 states that Nicholas Kelly, parson of Laddock gave the manor of Ashwater to William Carminowe and Margaret his wife.

Issue-

· I. John- b. 1381, m. Alice daughter of Sir John Dynham, d. 26 July 1421. John had a grant of the manor of Polrode from Alice wife of Sir William Bonville.

· II. Thomas- m. Jane daughter of Robert Hill (m.1. Otho Trevarthian d. 7 Aug. 1440). Thomas was the Sheriff of Cornwall in 1423 and in 1429. d. Dec. 1442(4)

· III. Nicholas- m. Alice Polmarna (Polmaugan), d.s.p. 1471

· 9IV. WALTER- m. JANE (2) RESPRYN

Ref:

(1) Inq. P.M. 8 Henry V No.57
(2) Inq. P.M. 8 Henry IV No.16
(3) "An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall"- p.56
(4) Inq. P.M. 11 Edward IV No.44

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.155
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.74
"The Coffin Family"- p.83

9IV. WALTER (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4, ROGER 5, JOHN 6, WALTER 7, WILLIAM 8)

m. JANE (2) RESPRYN

It seems that Walter lived in St. Pinnock since on 13 June 1437 a license was granted to Walter Carminow, Esq. and Johanna his wife to celebrate Divine Service in the Church of All Saints in that parish on the feasts of All Saints and St. Kaine and also on the three Rogation Days and May 10th.(1)

Issue-

· I. Thomas-

· 10II. JOHN- m. PHILIPPA TRENOWITH (d. 31 July 1520), will 14 Sept. 1492

Ref:

(1) Bishop Lacey's Register- Vol.III, fo.144

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- p.155
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.74
"The Coffin Family"- p.83

10II. JOHN (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4, ROGER 5, JOHN 6, WALTER 7, WILLIAM 8, WALTER 9)

m. PHILIPPA TRENOWITH (d. 31 July 1520(1))
will 14 Sept. 1492
Buried in Priory Church of St. Petroc of Bodmin.

John was the Sheriff of Cornwall in 1514. In his will proved at the P.C.C. John gave legacies to the vicar of St. Winnow for tithes forgotten, to the poor Hospital of St. Lawrence at Launceston, to the poor Hospital of St. Anthony and the poor Chapel of St. George at Bodmin. By his marriage to Philippa he inherited large estates which added to his own family wealth made him one of the wealthiest men in Cornwall. John received the Fentongollan estate, unfortunately, nothing remains of this ancient manor house. John seems to have enjoyed a quiet life without any wish to obtain political power.

John's son Thomas spoke of his father's hospitality: "he kept open house for all comers and goers, drinkers, minstrells, dancers, and what not, during the Christmas time, and that his usual allowance of provision for those twelve days, were 12 fat bullocks, 20 Cornish bushels of wheat (i.e. 60 Winchesters ), 36 sheep, with hogs, lambs, and fowls of all sort, and drink made of wheat and oat malt proportionable; for at that time barley-malt was little known or used in those parts." (4)

St. Petroc- Bodmin, c.1469

Issue-

· I. John- b.c.1480, m. Margaret Champernowne daughter of Richard Champernowne (m.1. Nicholas Cockworthy d. 21 Apr. 1529) d.s.p. 31 Mar. 1547, buried in church of St. Michael Penkevil. John was the Commissioner for Musters for Cornwall in 1523.

· II. Thomas- m. Elizabeth Chesman (m.2. before 1545 Edward Clyker(2) will 16 Feb. 1528 proved at P.C.C. 15 May 1529, buried in Church of Grey Friars at Bodmin. Thomas was the Constable of Restormel Castle (3) and his brother's heir. He was also Gentleman Usher of the Chamber to King Henry VIII.

· 11III. NICHOLAS- m. CATHERINE (2) WOLVEDON (d. 28 Feb. 1538) d. 7 Jan 1538

· IV. Jane- m.1. John Pentyre, 2. Humphry Calwoodleigh of Helland

· V. Elizabeth- m. John Bere of Pengelly

· VI. Isabella- m. John Vyel of Trevorder, d. 7 Apr. 1546

· VII. Catherine- m. Humphry Batten of Donsland

· VIII. Elinor- m. Nicholas Opye of Bodmin

· IX. Philippa- m. Richard Penpons

Ref:

(1) Inq. P.M. 12 Henry VIII No.74
(2) Assession Roll, Restormel 37 Henry VIII
(3) Rot. Pat., 1 Henry VIII Part 1, m.20
(4) "Magna Britannia: A General and Parochial Hstory of the County", Daniel and Samuel Lysons- volume 3: Cornwall (1814), pp. 227-244 'Parishes: Mevagissey - Mullion'. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50647

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"- pp.155-6
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.74
"The Coffin Family"- p.83
"An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall"- C. Gilbert, p56-7

11III. NICHOLAS (ROGER 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROGER 4, ROGER 5, JOHN 6, WALTER 7, WILLIAM 8, WALTER 9, JOHN 10)

m. CATHERINE (2) WOLVEDON (d. 28 Feb. 1538) (1)
d. 7 Jan. 1538 (2)

Nicholas had a grant of the manor of Trenewith from his mother 19 March 1519/0 and of the manor of Trewethynick from his brother John 21 Apr. 1532. He was the Commissioner of Musters for Cornwall in 1523.

Issue-

· I. Thomas- m. Jenifer Trevanion d.s.p.

· 12II. PHILIPPA- b.c. 1520, m.1. HUGH (11) BOSCAWEN (d. 24 Aug. 1559), 2. James Trewinnard, buried at St. Michael Penkevil. Philippa owned the village of Plympton a few hundred yards from Tristram Coffin's farm at Butlass in Plympton Erle which her daughter carried to Peter Coffin.

· III. Elizabeth- m. Nicholas Herle of Trenouth

· IV. Jane- m. Walter Gavrigan, d.s.p.

Ref:

(1) Inq. P.M. 30 Henry VIII No.56
(2) Ibid- No.61

"Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor"-p.156
"The Visitations of the County of Cornwall"- p.75
"The Coffin Family"- p.83
"An Historical Survey of the County of Cornwall"- C. Gilbert, p56

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