Thomas Marmion of Checkenden, Oxfordshire

MARMION

1. ROBERT-

b.c.1065 Fontenay le Marmion, Normandie
m. HAWISE ______
d.c.1106 Fontenay le Marmion

Issue-

  • 2I. ROGER- b.c.1090 Fontenay le Marmion, Normandie, m. _____ d'ABITOT, d.c.1130 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire
  • II. Helto- b.c.1092
  • III. Manasses- b.c.1094

    Ref:

    The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant- George Edward Cokayne Ed., St. Catherine Press, London, 1910- Vol. 8, pp. 505, 507
    Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166- K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press, Rochester, 2002- p. 1032


    2I. ROGER (ROBERT 1)

    b.c.1090 Fontenay le Marmion, Normandie
    m. _____ d'ABITOT
    d.c.1130 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire

    Tamworth Castle

    Tamworth castle was the home of the Marmion family, hereditary Royal Champions from King Henry I to Edward I. The castle dates from the 11th century and is one of the best preserved Norman motte and bailey castles in Britain. To find out more about Tamworth castle go to: http://www.tamworthcastle.co.uk

    Issue-

  • 3I. ROBERT- b.c.1110 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire, m. MILICENT de RETHEL (b.c.1116 Rethel, Ardennes, m.2. Richard de Camville (b.c.1110 Bosworth, Leicestershire, d.c.1176 Sicily), d. ?1143 Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire), d. 8 Sept. 1143 Coventry, Warwickshire
  • II. Geoffrey- b.c.1115

    Ref:

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 246A-25
    The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant- George Edward Cokayne Ed., St. Catherine Press, London, 1910- Vol. 8, p. 505
    Conquerors and Conquered in Medieval Wales- Ralph Alan Griffiths, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1994- p. 199
    Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166- K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press, Rochester, 2002- p. 439


    3I. ROBERT (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2)

    b.c.1110 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire
    m. MILICENT de RETHEL (b.c.1116 Rethel, Ardennes, m.2. Richard de Camville (b.c.1110 Bosworth, Leicestershire, d.c.1176 Sicily), d. ?1143 Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire)
    d. 8 Sept. 1143 Coventry, Warwickshire

    There is some debate concerning the wives of Robert I and Robert II as being daughters of Gervase de Rethel. Moriarty in the TAG article of Jan. 1944 states that Alberic, Canon of Huyon-sur-Meuse stated that Clarembald de Rosoy, who married Elizabeth de Namur after the death of Gervase in 1124 in order to disinherit her, married the only daughter of Gervase out of the country to a certain noble of Normandy named Robert Marmion. Alberic doesn't give her name or say which Robert Marmion was her husband, however, the daughter of Gervase was married c.1133 so it would make more sense that she was married to Robert Sr. and not Jr. Also, Gervase's mother's name was Milicent thus making Robert Sr.'s wife named after her grandmother. Also, Queen Adeliza of Louvain, wife of King Henry I gave part of Stanton, Oxfordshire, to Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion "cognata mea." Queen Adeliza was a second cousin of Gervase's daughter, both being descended from Albert III de Namur and Ida of Saxony. (1)

    Charter of Ranulph earl of Chester, c.1146, addressed to his constable and steward and all his barons and men, granting Coventry to Robert Marmion in fee and heredity; to hold the same to him and his heirs of the said earl and his heirs with all the appurtenances 'in burgo et in villa' in wood and in plain, in waters and in mills and in all other things, as freely and quietly and with all the liberties by which it was held whilst part of the earl's demesne, and subject to the same agreements between the said Robert and the earl written out before (prescripte) namely that he would serve the earl against all men and women. Witnesses: Hugh Wac, Richard de Canvilla, Simon son of William, Hugh de Cuill', William Redzai', William son of Ralph, Robert 'Potario'. (2)

    Issue-

  • 4I. ROBERT- b.c.1132 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire, m. ELIZABETH ______, d. Oct. 1181 Tamworth
  • II. Geoffrey- b.c.1134

    Ref:

    (1) TAG- Jan. 1944, pp. 255-6
    (2) Shakespeare Centre Library and Archive- DR10/256, original at Loxley Hall

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 246A-25
    The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury (1611-1695) and His Wife Mary (Perkins) Bradbury (1615-1700) of Salisbury, Massachusetts- John Brooks Threlfall, J.B. Threlfall, Madison, Wisconsin, 1988- p. 506
    The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant- George Edward Cokayne Ed., St. Catherine Press, London, 1910- Vol. 8, p. 505-8; Vol. 9, p.258
    Conquerors and Conquered in Medieval Wales- Ralph Alan Griffiths, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1994- p. 199
    The Victoria History of the County of Oxford- Herbert Edward Salter, Oxford University Press, London, 1907-19- Vol. 12, p. 274
    Conquerors and Conquered in Medieval Wales- Ralph Alan Griffiths, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1994- p. 199
    A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire- Sir John Bernard Burke, Pall Mall, London, 1883- p. 100
    Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166- K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press, Rochester, 2002- p. 1032


    4I. ROBERT (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3)

    b.c.1132 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire
    m. ELIZABETH ______
    d. Oct. 1181 Tamworth

    Church of St. Peter & St. Paul- Checkendon, Oxfordshire

    Procession of the Apostles- 13th Century

    About 1175 Robert granted the church of Checkendon to the Priory of Coventry and also granted a third of Checkendon to William Marmion and confirms to William the gift of another third of Checkendon which he had earlier granted to William's brother, Geoffrey.(1)

    There has been debate about whether or not William was actually the son of Robert or related to him at all. However, in Boarstall Chartulary No. 8 written 25 Jan. 1339 the monks of Coventry (who had been given the advowson of Checkendon by Robert in 1175), quitclaim the advowson of Checkendon to John Marmion:

    Be it known to all so now as in the future that we, brother Henry prior of the Cathedral church of Coventry, and the convent of the same place, by our unanimous consent, remit and quit claim for ourselves and our successors, to John Marmion, lord of Checkenden, his heirs and assigns, forever, all right and claim that we had or in any way will have had in the advowson of the church of Checkenden, which we had by the gift and conveyance of Robert Marmion a certain ancestor [antecessoris] of the aforesaid John, for atonement and good of the soul of the father of the said Robert, for irreparable damage and enormous injuries, which the same father of the said Robert so extensively and maliciously inflicted on our church and on our predecessors [predecessoribus], to have and to hold the aforesaid advowson, etc. forever. And so that the souls of the ancestors [antecessorum] of the said John should not, God forbid, incur either penalty or peril of annoyance and injury by whatever cause by our predecessors [predecessoribus] and our church and also us, as mentioned before, because of those matters hitherto mentioned, we, completely motivated by a pure and unanimous desire in consideration of charity, insofar as we are able, absolve for the present the souls of the ancestors [antecessorum] of the foresaid John, as well as his own, by our full chapter, from every constraint of guilt by which it can be reasonably believed that they were constrained on the foresaid occasion. In whose . . . etc. sealing, done in our chapter house at Coventry on the feast of the conversion of Saint Paul the Apostle the year of the lord 1300 thirty eight (i.e., 25 January 1338/9).

    The argument comes with the use of the words "antecessor" and "predecessoribus". Antecessor has a double meaning... it can either mean ancestor or refer to the predecessor in a title. BUT, the monks used the word "predecessoribus" to refer to their own predecessors and three times used the word "antecessorum" to refer to John's relationship to Robert. Seems to me that they have two different meanings... ancestor vs. predecessor in the title... and "antecessorum" in this case means "ancestor". Also, the monks were giving absolution to John for Robert's transgressions against their order so one would wonder why they would do that if John wasn't related to Robert. I don't think John would feel the need to have the monks absolve his soul for the sins of some unrelated person who happened to own the property 150 years previously.

    There is a similar document from c.1270 concerning a dispute about the advowson of Checkendon church with Robert Marmion, who had made the grant to the Priory of Coventry, being described as "antecessoris" of the underage heir, John Marmion.(2)

    In the Lincolnshire Archives is an enfeoffment, c.1160-70, by Pichot de Lacellis, by the consent of his wife and heirs, of Ralph de Bolebec of the land which Turold de Bolebec held for a day and a night of Robert Marmion. This grant was made in the hands of A. de Mundaville at Stau and the witnesses were Hamelin the dean, Hugh de Haillai, Gilbert de Novilla, Geoffrey Turs, Richard de Croxtuns, Walter de Kilvingholm, Henry de Kirkeby, Turold de Bolebec, Alan de Hallai, Ralph did his homage to Pichot at Fulstow in the house of Ralph his bailiff and gave ten marks to him and one mark to his wife.(4)

    Robert was a witness to a charter, c.1175-9, from King Henry II confirming the agreement between the prior and monks of Canterbury Cathedral Priory and Lambin Frise.(3)

    There is also a charter dated from the late 12th century concerning Robert Marmion, for the weal of his soul, that of his wife Philippa and his predecessors and successors, and for the absolution of his journey to Jerusalem, grants to the Abbey 500 pounds in Angevine money for the building of the church. He also grants some lands in Stoke and Chekenden in exchange for a rent of 10 which he had assigned to the wardrobe of the Abbey on his manor of Berwick. He will also retain the services of William M. .. and Hugh de Migehan for their fees in Stoke and Chekenden, and the Abbey will pay to the monks of St. Thomas [of Acon, hospital in London] two pounds of wax.(5) Which of the several Robert de Marmions this concerns is uncertain at this point.

    Issue-

  • I. Robert- b.c.1156, m. Maud de Beauchamp (b.c.1170 Salwarpe, Worcestershire), d. May 1218 Tamworth, Warwickshire
  • 5II. WILLIAM- b.c.1158 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire, d.c.1220 Checkenden, Oxfordshire
  • III. Geoffrey- b.c.1160
  • IV. Mabel- b.c.1162, m. Hugh de Say, d. Sept. 1210

    Ref:

    (1) Boarstall Chartulary- No. 1, 20-3
    (2) Placitorum in Domo Capitulari Westmonasteriensi Asservatorum Abbreviato- Great Britain Record Commission, London, 1811- p. 182 (3) Canterbury Cathedral Archives- CCA-DCc-ChAnt/C/1207
    (4) Lincolnshire Archives- The Holywell Collection- 87/35
    (5) Barbery, Abbey of Notre Dame- Ord. Cist. Dioc. Bayeux- John Rylands Library- Manchester University- BMC/43

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 7-35, 246A-32
    The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury (1611-1695) and His Wife Mary (Perkins) Bradbury (1615-1700) of Salisbury, Massachusetts- John Brooks Threlfall, J.B. Threlfall, Madison, Wisconsin, 1988- p. 282
    The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant- George Edward Cokayne Ed., St. Catherine Press, London, 1910- Vol. 8, p. 508; Vol. 9, p.258
    Conquerors and Conquered in Medieval Wales- Ralph Alan Griffiths, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1994- p. 199


    5I. WILLIAM (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROBERT 4)

    b.c.1158 Tamworth Castle, Warwickshire
    d.c.1220 Checkenden, Oxfordshire

    Issue-

  • 6I. GEOFFREY- b.c.1190 Checkenden, Oxfordshire, m. ROSAMUND _____, d.c.1250

    Ref:

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 246A-32
    The Ancestry of Thomas Bradbury (1611-1695) and His Wife Mary (Perkins) Bradbury (1615-1700) of Salisbury, Massachusetts- John Brooks Threlfall, J.B. Threlfall, Madison, Wisconsin, 1988- p. 282


    6I. GEOFFREY (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5)

    b.c.1198 Checkenden, Oxfordshire
    m. ROSAMUND _____ (d.c.1273 Checkenden, Oxfordshire)
    d.c.1250

    Issue-

  • 7I. WILLIAM- b.c.1229, m. MAUD ______

    Ref:

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 246A-28


    7I. WILLIAM (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, GEOFFREY 6)

    b.c.1229 Checkenden, Oxfordshire
    m. MAUD ______

    Issue-

  • 8I. JOHN- b.c.1260, m. MARGERY de NOTTINGHAM, d.c.1330 Checkenden, Oxfordshire

    Ref:

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 246A-29


    8I. JOHN (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, GEOFFREY 6, WILLIAM 7)

    b.c.1260
    m. MARGERY de NOTTINGHAM (b.c.1263 Nottingham), d. of Henry de Nottingham
    d.c.1330 Checkenden, Oxfordshire

    From the Curia Regis Roll, Adam de Stratton, the custos of the heir of William Marmion, sued Richard, Bishop of Lincoln, and the Prior of Coventry, for the next presentation to the church of Chakenden. It mentions Geoffrey, grandfather of the heir who was living 6 Henry III, and the heir of William who was under age. The defendants pleaded that Robert Marmion, the ancestory of the heir, had granted the advowson to the Priory of Coventry, and Geoffrey, the grandfather of the heir, had acknowledged the right of the Prior by a fine levied 6 Henry III.(1)

    Issue-

  • 9I. THOMAS- b.c.1286 Checkenden, Oxfordshire, m. AGNES ______

    Ref:

    (1) Curia Regis Roll- No. 167, 56 Henry III

    The Boarstall Cartulary- Rev. H.E. Salter, Oxford Historical Society, 1930- pp. 2-3
    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 246A-30


    9I. THOMAS (ROBERT 1, ROGER 2, ROBERT 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, GEOFFREY 6, WILLIAM 7, JOHN 8)

    b.c.1286 Checkenden, Oxfordshire
    m. AGNES ______

    Issue-

  • 10I. ALICE- b.c.1320, m. WILLIAM HARLYNGRUGGE (b.c.1315, d. after 1393), d. before 1367

    Ref:

    Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700- Frederick Weis, 7th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1992- 7-35, 246A-31


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