John Welles of Coinsholme, Lincolnshire

WELLES

1. RAVEMER

d.c.1115

Ravemer or Ragemer was a tenant of Gilbert de Gant in Claxby St. Andrew, Withern and Weil, Lincolnshire at the time of the Domesday Book.

Issue-

  • 2I. WALTER-

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    2I. WALTER (RAVEMER 1)

    Walter held his father's lands of Walter de Gant from 1115-1118.

    Issue-

  • 3I. WALTER- m. ______ de GANT, d. of Walter de Gant and Maud de Bretagne

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    3I. WALTER (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2)

    m. ______ de GANT, d. of Walter de Gant and Maud de Bretagne
    d. before 1198

    Water was a witness to deeds of the Gant family in the mid-1100's. In 1166 he held 6 1/2 knights fees of Simon, Earl of Nottingham.

    Issue-

  • 4I. ROBERT-

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    4I. ROBERT (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3)

    m. MAUD
    d. before 1206Robert de Welle owned the Honor of Haughley, Suffolk and he is often mentioned in the Pipe Rolls. He was a surety for the debts of Simon, Earl of Nottingham and was in debt to the Jews and assumed his father's debts to the Crown. Robert made grants to Greenfield Priory and to Bardney Abbey.

    Tombstones in the Nave of Bardney Abbey- c.1909

    Issue-

  • 5I. WILLIAM-

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    5I. WILLIAM (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4)

    m. EMMA de GRAINSBY- d. and heir of William de Gransby d.c.1241

    William was part of the expedition to Ireland in 1210. In Mar. 1215/16 he paid 20 marks as a fine to buy the king's favour, however, in May 1217 his lands were granted to Fulk d'Oyri. In 1240 he was appointed to review the Royal Castles in Lincolnshire.

    Issue-

  • 6I. ROBERT- m. ISABEL de PERITON (m. 2. after 25 July 1266 William de Vescy (d. before 5 Jan. 1314/5)), d. before 24 Sept. 1265

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    6I. ROBERT (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5)

    m. ISABEL de PERITON (m. 2. after 25 July 1266 William de Vescy (d. before 5 Jan. 1314/5)), d. of Adam de Periton of Ellington, Northumberland; Faxton, Northamptonshire; and Rampisham, Dorset.
    d. before 24 Sept. 1265

    Issue-

  • I. Philip- d.s.p. after 1276
  • II. William- m. Helwise ____, d.s.p. after May 1286
  • 7III. ADAM- m. before 18 July 1310 JOAN ENGAINE (m.1. Walter FitzRobert, d. 1 June 1315), d. 1 Sept. 1311
  • IV. Cecily-
  • V. Aline-

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    7III. ADAM (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, ROBERT 6)

    m. before 18 July 1310 JOAN ENGAINE (m.1. Walter FitzRobert, d. 1 June 1315), d. of Sir John Engaine of Laxton and Blatherwycke, Northamptonshire and Joan de Greinville of Hallaton, Leicester
    d. 1 Sept. 1311
    bur. Greenfield Priory

    In a suit brought in 1290 concerning the market in Alford, Lincolnshire, he was described as the brother and heir of William de Welles and NOT his son as he is listed in other genealogies.

    On 14 June 1294 Adam appointed attorneys prior to going beyond the seas with Hugh le Despenser who went to Gascony.

    Adam acquired the lands of Cumberworth and the advowson of Anderby on 16 Jan. 1297 from William de Willoughby. In March that year he was appointed along with the Sheriff of Lincolnshire to take into the king's protection the clerks who wished to dissociate themselves from Archbishop Winchelsea's resistance to clerical taxation. And then on 7 July that year he was ordered to muster in London for another term of foreign service. He was back in England by 1 Jan. 1297/8 when he received letters of protection as he was going to go with the King to Scotland. He served with his brother Philip and fought in the battle of Falkirk.

    Rockingham Castle

    In 1299 Sir Adam was constable of Rockingham castle and also the warden of its forest. In March 1299 he was the first of the family to be summoned to attend parliament and served in that capacity until his death.

    Sir Adam was back fighting against the Scots as on 14 Jan. 1299/0 he was appointed to raise troups in Lincolnshire and fought with King Edward at Carlaverock. He was at the Parliament at Lincoln in Feb. 1301 and signed the letter to the Pope. He was back fighting in Scotland in 1303 and in Feb. 1304 was rebuked by the king for being remiss in his efforts against the Scots. In 1309 and 1310 he was again in Scotland under the banner of King Edward II and was a respite from his debts to the crown for the latter year.

    Adam bought the manor of Wyberton, near Boston, from John de Holland and was granted lands in Lincolnshire worth �42 per year.

    Sir Adam's last summons to Parliament was on 16 June 1311 and he died later that year. His estates were mostly in Lincolnshire, except for a small property in Northamptonshire, and included 17 manors, five knight's fees and five advowsons.

    Issue-

  • I. Robert- b. 1 Jan. 1296/7 Blatherwycke, d.s.p. before 29 Aug. 1320
  • 8II. ADAM- b. 22 July 1304, m. MARGARET ______, will 24 Feb. 1344/5
  • III. John-
  • IV. Margaret- a nun at Greenfield Priory
  • V. Cecilia- a nun at Greenfield Priory

    Ref:

    "Dictionary of National Biography"- article on Adam de Welles by Thomas Frederick Tout, Vol. LX at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Welles,_Adam_de_(DNB00)
    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    8II. ADAM (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, ROBERT 6, ADAM 7)

    b. 22 July 1304
    m. MARGARET ______
    will 24 Feb. 1344/5
    bur. Greenfield Priory

    Adam was given seisin of his lands on 22 Aug. 1326 and was summoned to fight against the Scots as well as in France and Brittany from 1333 until 1340. He was also a member of Parliament from 1332 until 1344.

    Issue-

  • 9I. JOHN- b. 23 Aug. 1334 Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, m. MAUD de ROS (d. 9 Dec. 1388), d. 11 Oct. 1361
  • II. Joan- m. _____ de Cauntelo
  • III. Elizabeth- m. ______ de la Warre
  • IV. Margaret- m. ______ de Deincourt

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    9I. JOHN (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, ROBERT 6, ADAM 7, ADAM 8)

    b. 23 Aug. 1334 Bonthorpe, Lincolnshire, bpt. St. Helen's Church, Willoughby
    m. MAUD de ROS (d. 9 Dec. 1388)- d. of William de Ros of Helmsley and Margaret de Badlesmere
    d. 11 Oct. 1361

    John was given seisin of his land on 27 Aug. 1355. He also fought against the Scots and attended Parliament as Baron de Welles from 1357 until 1360.

    Issue-

  • 10I. JOHN- b. 20 Apr. 1352 Coinsholme, Lincolnshire, m. ELEANOR De MOWBRAY (living in 1399), d. 1422
  • II. Margery- m.1. John de Huntingfield, 2. Lord Scrope of Masham
  • III. Anne- m. James Botiller, Earl of Ormond

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50


    10I. JOHN (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, ROBERT 6, ADAM 7, ADAM 8, JOHN 9)-

    b. 20 Apr. 1352 Coinsholme, Lincolnshire
    m. ELEANOR De MOWBRAY (living in 1399)
    d. 1422

    John was baron Welles and was summoned to Parliament from 20 Jan. 1376 to 26 Feb. 1421 and was involved in the French and Scottish wars of the time.

    While at a banquet in Edinburgh, Sir John, as Champion of England (and after too much to drink), challenged Sir David Lindsay: "Let words have no place, if ye know not the Chivalry and Valiant deeds of Englishmen, appoint me a day and a place where ye list, and ye shall have experience!" As a result, on St. George's Day, 23 Apr. 1390, Sir John fought Sir David on horseback on London Bridge and lost the match being unhorsed in the third charge.

    London Bridge- c.1616

    Five days later, 28 Apr. 1390, John, Lord Welles, witnessed a charter by John de Hogg and Robert Stynt, Parson of West Keal to Henry Malbys, parson of Willoughby le Marsh, Mr. John de Kele, parson of Grainthorpe, Mr. William Prior, parson of Sutton, Robert de Cumberworth, Thomas de Hagg and Richard his son of Mumby, Robert West of Claythorpe, John de Southgrift of Mablethorp and Henry Palmer, chaplain of Sutton to land in Mablethorp and Sutton.(1)

    On 1 Mar. 1430 is a quitclaim by John Langholme of Conisholme and Thomas Spenser of Somercotes to John Marshall, canon of Lincoln, Richard Hargar vicar of Freiston, Thomas Yorke rector of Grainthorpe, John Spenser rector of Hathyngton, Robert Roos of Gedney kt., Hugh Wyloughby of Nottinghamshire, kt., Richard Haugh of Haugh, John Manby formerly of Mablethorp, and John Binbrook rector of Trusthorpe concerning the manors of Cumberworth, Sutton, Trusthorp, Bonthorpe and Ludney which the grantees have received from John, former lord of Welles.(2)

    Issue-

  • 11I. EUDO- m. MAUD De GREYSTOKE, d. before 1421
  • II. Eleanor- m. Hugh de Poynings

    Ref:

    (1) Manuscripts of the Earl of Ancaster- Lincolnshire Archives- 2ANC1/11/4
    (2) Ibid- 2ANC3/A/15

    "Dictionary of National Biography"- Article on Lionel de Welles, Vol. LX at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Welles,_Lionel_de_(DNB00)
    "John de Welles, 5th Baron Welles"- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Welles,_5th_Baron_Welles
    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50
    Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants- Vol.II, p.289


    11I. EUDO (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, ROBERT 6, ADAM 7, ADAM 8, JOHN 9, JOHN 10)

    m. MAUD De GREYSTOKE, d. of Ralph De Greystoke and Katherine Gifford
    d. before 1421

    Eudo was fined 100 marks for taking part in the rebellion of 1405.

    Issue-

  • 12I. LIONEL- b.c.1405, m.1. contract 15 Aug. 1417 JOAN/CECILY De WATERTON, 2. Apr. 1447 Margaret, d. of Sir John Beauchamp of Bletsoe (m.1. Sir Oliver St. John, 2. John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset), d. 29 Mar. 1461 Towton, Ireland
  • ?II. William- m. Anne Barnewall. Lord Chancellor of Ireland.

    Ref:

    "The Complete Peerage"- Geoffrey H. White, Ed., 1959- Vol. XII, part II, pp. 436-50
    Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants- Vol.II, p.290


    12I. LIONEL (RAVEMER 1, WALTER 2, WALTER 3, ROBERT 4, WILLIAM 5, ROBERT 6, ADAM 7, ADAM 8, JOHN 9, JOHN 10, EUDO 11)

    b.c.1405
    m.1. contract 15 Aug. 1417 JOAN/CECILY De WATERTON, d. of Sir Robert Waterton of Waterton and Methley
    2. Apr. 1447 Margaret, d. of Sir John Beauchamp of Bletsoe (m.1. Sir Oliver St. John, 2. John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset)
    killed at the battle of Towton 29 Mar. 1461
    bur. Waterton Church, Methley, Yorkshire

    Lionel was knighted on 19 May 1426 with Henry VI at Leicester by the Duke of Bedford. He had seisin of his lands on 5 Dec. 1427. There is an inventory of the goods of Lionel, Lord Welles from 1430 listing books in the chamber: 1 liber vocatus apocalipes gallice scriptus item 1 lucidar in French item 1 liber de natura bestium in french item 1 quateria anglice scripta de proverbiis item 1 rotulus vocatus le Brute Item 1 liber vocatus pilgrimage de vita humana and in the chapel 1 biblia 1 liber de iure civili.(1)

    Sir Lionel was summoned to Parliament at the sixth Baron Welles on 25 Feb. 1432 and served until 30 July 1460. He was appointed Privy Councillor in 1434.

    In 1436 he went to Calais to relieve the town from its siege by the Burgundians. By 1438 he was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland a post which he held until 1442.

    There is a Testimonial by Jordan, Bishop of Cork and Clone, the Deans and Chapter of the same, the Mayor, Bailiffs, etc. of Cork, William Lord Barry, "Esquire," Sheriff of county Cork, Morys Lord Roche, and the Sovereign and commons of Yoghyll, to James Earl of Ormond, late Deputy, to Lyon Lord Welles (formerly Lieutenant in Ireland), and now Lieutenant to the King in this land; stating that he has acquitted himself justly and truly in his said office, and "hath laboured with great hosts to the said city and county and the parts thereabout, where as he hath chastised and warred the King's enemies and rebels, and put them in dread, and comforted greatly" the liege people, without any extortion or oppression done to any true liege man. Written at Cork, 9th January, 21 Hen. VI [1443]. (5)

    On 16 July 1446 there is a grant in fee from "Lyon", Lord Welles and Richard his son, Thomas Meteham, Kt., Walter Calverlay and Richard Waterton, Esq. to Matilda, Countess of Cambridge, Henry, Earl of Northumberland, Henry, his son and heir, Thomas, Lord Clifford and Westmorland, Ralph, Lord Cromwell, Thomas Percy, Kt., John Clifford his son and heir, and Thomas Harynton, Kt. concerning the manors of Halghton and Barley, Yorkshire, Wellem, Nottinghamshire, and Dowbildike, Lincolnshire with all other properties formerly Robert Waterton's; the manor of Methley, Yorkshire with all its appurtenances in Altofts, Poterton, Fangfose, Rothwell, and Foxholes, subject to payments to Beatrice, wife of Robert Waterton. The grantors are to receive 50 marks per year for the next six years and they will warrant against the Abbot of Kirkstall and his successors. The grant was witnessed by John Talbot, Kt., son and heir of John, Earl of Shrewsbury, Thomas Chaworth, Kt., John Portyngton, John Haryngton, William Scargill, William Mirfeld and Thomas Wombewell.(2)

    On the Feast of St. George, 30 Henry VI [23 Apr. 1452] is a grant by Robert Fenne, Esq., and Juliana his wife to Humphrey, Duke of Buckingham, Humphrey, Earl of Stratford, Leo, Lord of Welles, Kt., William Est, Esq., and John Colvile, parson of Marham to the manor of Wodecroft and all their other lands in Wodecroft, Etton, Helpston, Glynton, Peykirk, Marham and Ufford. Witnessed by John Suzan, John Blogwyn and Stephen Cowper.(4)

    In 1450 he was Trier of Petitions for Gascony and parts beyond the seas. In 1451 and again in 1454 he was back at Calais and stayed in command until 20 Apr. 1456.

    Sir Lionel was a friend on the king and was made a Knight of the Garter before 13 May 1457. As a Lancastrian he took the oath of allergiance at Coventry in 1459.

    He was part of the march south with Margaret of Anjou and participated in the second battle of St. Albans on 7 Feb. 1460/1 and was killed at the battle of Towton on 29 Mar. and was attainted in the parliament that followed.

    On 9 Nov. 18 Edward IV (1478) is the following charter:

    "NOTIFICATION and counterpart by Edmund Rede, Knt., that whereas Robert Brudenell and John Bukestede, recovered in the King's court in Easter Term 36 Hen.VI. [1458] the manor of Wodecroft against Robert Fenne and Juliana his wife, then tenants, and the said Robert Brudenell and John Bukstede were then seised of the same in demesne as of fee tail, and they enfeoffed the abovesaid Edmund Rede, together with Leonel, lord of Welles, Richard Wydevill, Lord de Ryvers and others with the manor and whereas now the said Edmund stands seised thereof, he hereby conveys it to John Brudenell son and heir of John Brudenell son and heir of the abovesaid Robert Brudenell and to Sibilla Colvile, wife of Wm.Colvile, dau. and heir of the abovesaid John Bukestede. Witnessed by William Danvers, John Iwardeby, and Drugo Brundenell"(3)

    Tomb of Lionel and Joan- Waterton Church, Methley

    Issue-First five children by Cecily, last child by Margaret.

  • 13I. MARGARET- m. THOMAS DYMOKE (b.c.1428, d. 12 Mar. 1470), d. 3 July 1480
  • II. Richard- b.c. 1431, m.1. Joane Willoughby de Eresby(d. by 1560), 2. 10 Aug. 1468 Margaret Strangways (m.1. John Ingleby), executed 19 Mar. 1470 at the Queen's Cross, Stamford, Lincolnshire
  • III. Eleanor- m. Thomas Hoo, Baron Hoo and Hastings
  • IV.Cecily- m. Sir Robert Willoughby of Parham (d. 1465), d.c.1480
  • V. Katherine- m.1. Sir Thomas de la Laund, 2. Robert Tempest
  • VI. John- m. Cecily, d. of King Edward IV, d. 9 Feb. 1498/9, bur. Westminster Abbey. John was made Viscount Welles 1 Sept. 1487.

    Ref:

    (1) Manuscripts of the Earl of Ancaster- Lincolnshire Archives- 1ANC10/A/1A
    (2) Ibid- 2ANC3/A/17
    (3) Fitzwilliam Charters- Northamptonshire Record Office- F(M) Charter/684,685
    (4) Ibid- F(M) Charter/668
    (5) Lambeth Palace Library- MS 617, p. 307

    "Dictionary of National Biography"- Article on Lionel de Welles, Vol. LX at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Welles,_Lionel_de_(DNB00)
    Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants- Vol.II, p.290


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