Sanford & Eastern Railroad Moderators: MEC407, NHN503 Post a reply Search this topic… Search 19 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 12 Sanford & Eastern Railroad Postby Railcar » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:53 pm Does anyone have the pictures for correct markings for the Sanford and Eastern RR? I'm thinking SERR but I can not find any photos. Railcar Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby NHN503 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:06 am Now what would you need these for?... *wink* *wink* BTW can you get the welder down to the shop? I'm ready do so quite a bit on the A5. User avatar NHN503 Posts: 972 Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:31 pm Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby SLR 393 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:11 am George Melvin has piles of S&E photos. www.melvinphotos.com Slowly bringing the B&M #6118 back to life.... SLR 393 Posts: 399 Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:00 pm Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby Otto Vondrak » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:56 am Railcar wrote: Does anyone have the pictures for correct markings for the Sanford and Eastern RR? I'm thinking SERR but I can not find any photos. What is the Sanford & Eastern? Are you looking for reporting marks? Or how equipment was decorated/painted? --------------------------- I do not own this web site, nor do I serve any administrative function. Please contact the Site Administrator for assistance. -omv User avatar Otto Vondrak Posts: 20060 Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:47 pm Location: New York Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby SLR 393 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:53 pm They took over part of the old B&M run from westbrook, ME down through Gorham, Sanford, etc. They kept their power in Springvale, part of Sanford. Pinsley line. Long gone but most of the ROW is still around if you drive the route, and around Sanford its preserved as trails now. Slowly bringing the B&M #6118 back to life.... SLR 393 Posts: 399 Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:00 pm Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby NHN503 » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:09 pm Otto Vondrak wrote: Railcar wrote: Does anyone have the pictures for correct markings for the Sanford and Eastern RR? I'm thinking SERR but I can not find any photos. What is the Sanford & Eastern? Are you looking for reporting marks? Or how equipment was decorated/painted? Reporting marks....we already know how the equipment was decorated/painted :wink: Its to finish off this project....2 MT14D's owned by fellow CVRTC members Bill and Harvey. Image Image User avatar NHN503 Posts: 972 Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:31 pm Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby merrman » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:01 pm It appears that the reporting mark system was phased in over a period of decades, and there does not appear to be an official implementation date recorded where it can be accessed. A search of a few historical databases reveal no marks for S&E, although some other Pinsly lines are listed. I suspect the S&E fell through the cracks, or their equipment bore the marks of another Pinsly holding, even if some of it was labeled Sanford & Eastern. Gary Carlson's book, "New England Short Lines in Color" gives the reporting marks as SE, but no indication of these marks being issued prior to 1975 seems to exist. As for MOW equipment, I'm not sure the SE ever even had motorcars, but that's just conjecture on my part. merrman Posts: 160 Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:18 pm Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby TomNelligan » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:25 pm I don't know when exactly the AAR reporting mark system came into use, but it definitely predates the 1950s so it would have included the Sanfordf & Eastern's lifespan, assuming that the S&E had equipment that was used in interchange service. Since ampersands weren't used in reporting marks, SE would have been the logical choice. Is that an actual S&E motorcar or just some railfan's idea of what one would have looked like? TomNelligan Posts: 3126 Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:43 pm Location: Massachusetts Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby Otto Vondrak » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:24 pm TomNelligan wrote: I don't know when exactly the AAR reporting mark system came into use, but it definitely predates the 1950s so it would have included the Sanfordf & Eastern's lifespan, assuming that the S&E had equipment that was used in interchange service. Since ampersands weren't used in reporting marks, SE would have been the logical choice. AAR database shows SE already taken... SE *FERROCARRILES UNIDOS DEL SURESTE SE +SEMO PORT RAILROAD INCORPORATED "SE" could have been Sanford & Eastern, and the marks were reassigned (noted by asterix and plus sign). --------------------------- I do not own this web site, nor do I serve any administrative function. Please contact the Site Administrator for assistance. -omv User avatar Otto Vondrak Posts: 20060 Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:47 pm Location: New York Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby NHN503 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:40 am There we never any S&E motorcars painted like this, they are just homages to the road. If the S&E had any motorcars they were most likely el basico belt driven M19's or M14's. I did find this photo from 1957 that has the whole road name spelled out and then the road number with no other reporting marks. http://www.nyysa.com/archive/images/1/3/3918-0.jpg User avatar NHN503 Posts: 972 Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:31 pm Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby Railcar » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:16 pm Thanks alot to all for the info. Ian is correct on the "why". Rides are available on an open seat basis. Chances are better for empty seats on one of my "A" cars. We worked of a few old photos. We found no history of any speeders supporting this line. I live about a mile from the old ROW so I thought something close to home might be fun. There are still a few old mileposts last I checked. There are two of these speeders ....sisters if you like. One is 63 and one is 51. (the numbers are our fire department call signs) They came from the ONR, Canada. Huge resto job. http://picasaweb.google.com/railcar42 Railcar Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby Mattydred » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:45 am Here's a David Johnson photo circa 1954 of S&E's 44-Ton Number 18 (formerly Suncook Valley No. 3)that I scanned from The Blueberry Express. Image Much of this old, majestic route in the East Rochester area is disappearing. Development constantly encroaches or overruns the old RoW. From Lebanon, ME points east, much of the RoW is accessible by light-impact hiking. It still seems odd that such an grand old, Trans-New England route would die out almost entirely. Sorry about the tangent. My New England Railroad Photo Archive page. User avatar Mattydred Posts: 159 Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:58 am Location: Rochester, NH Top Re: Sanford and Eastern RR markings Postby highgreen1 » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:59 am There's a beautiful surviving depot at Gorham, ME highgreen1 Posts: 39 Joined: Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:03 pm Top Re: Sanford & Eastern Railroad Postby Railcar » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:49 pm Thanks again to everyone. I picked up alot of info I did not have. I'm getting ready to restore a Fairmont A-6 (Ex CP 1700-12) any suggestions on a RR to bring back? Maybe a new thread to start? I already have a A-4 car that I restored, CP7700-44 Heavy Haul US (ex soo) Railcar Top Re: Sanford & Eastern Railroad Postby charding » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:03 pm Isn't the station in Gorham a brewpub, the Sebago Brewing Co - great way to preserve a station and quench a thirst. Colin Harding charding