Thirty-fourth Generation 
16088723856. Brugo De BRIWERE 415,886 was born about 1060 in Belgium.
Brugo married about 1085 of Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
8044361928 i. William De BRIWERE (born about 1088 of Normandy, France)
16088723864. Hubert De Vallibus Seigneur De VAUX 415,1572,1860,1861 was born about 1082 in Vaux Near Falaise, Normandy, France and died after 1149 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England 1860.
General Notes: Hubert de Vallibus or Vaux; fl 1149; held extensive lands, notably the seigneurie from which he took his name near Falaise, Normandy, and various feudal Lordships in the North of England; ancestor of the Vaux's of Gilsland, an estate which passed through an heiress temp. Henry III to Thomas de Moulton, and the Vaux's of Tryermayne, Cumberland, the heiress of which temp. Edward I married William le Vaux of Catterlen, ancestor in the female line of the Barons Brougham and Vaux. [Burke's Peerage}
1st Baron of Gillesland granted by Ranulph de Meschines, Earl of Chester.
Hubert married Grace (Grecia).1861 Grace was born about 1082 in Cumberland, England.
Children from this marriage were:
8044361932 i. Robert De VAUX Lord Of Gillesland (born about 1102 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England - died in 1195)
ii. Eustace De VAUX Of Carrick Castle was born about 1112 in Carrick Castle, Lochgoilhead, Argyll, Scotland.
16088723865. Grace (Grecia) 415,1861 was born about 1082 in Cumberland, England.
Grace married Hubert De Vallibus Seigneur De VAUX 1572,1860.,1861 Hubert was born about 1082 in Vaux Near Falaise, Normandy, France and died after 1149 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England 1860.
16088723866. William De ENGAINE Of Burgh-By-Sands 415,1862 was born about 1101 in Burgh-By-Sands, Cumberland, England.
William married Eustachia.1862 Eustachia was born about 1105 in England.
The child from this marriage was:
8044361933 i. Ada D' ENGAINE Heiress Of Burgh-By-Sands (born about 1122 in Burgh-By-Sands, Cumberland, England)
16088723867. Eustachia 415,1862 was born about 1105 in England.
Eustachia married William De ENGAINE Of Burgh-By-Sands.1862 William was born about 1101 in Burgh-By-Sands, Cumberland, England.
16088723890. Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND,415,417,642,670,774,775,1167,1168,1169,1598,1600,1601,1602,1745,1746 son of William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND and Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England, was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
General Notes:
Henry I was born in the year 1068---a factor he himself regarded as highly significant, for he was the only son of the Conqueror born after the conquest of England, and to Henry this meant he was heir to the throne. He was not an attractive proposition: he was dissolute to a degree, producing at least a score of bastards; but far worse he was prone to sadistic cruelty---on one occasion, for example, personally punishing a rebellious burgher by throwing him from the walls of his town.
At the death of William the Conqueror, Henry was left no lands, merely 5,000 pounds of silver. With these he bought lands from his elder brother Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, only to see them taken back again a few years later by Robert, in unholy alliance with his brother William Rufus.
Henry could do little to avenge such treatment, but in England he found numerous barons who were tired of the exactions and ambitions of their king. He formed alliances with some of these, notably with the important de Clare family. He and some of the de Clares were with William Rufus on his last hunting expedition, and it is thought that the king's death was the result of Henry's plotting.
Certainly he moved fast to take advantage of it; leaving Rufus's body unattended in the woods, he swooped down on Winchester to take control of the treasury. Two days later he was in Westminster, being crowned by the Bishop of London. His speed is understandable when one realises that his elder brother, Robert [Curthose], was returning from the crusade, and claimed, with good reason, to be the true heir.
Henry showed great good sense in his first actions as King. He arrested Ranulph Flambard, William's tax-gatherer, and recalled Anselm, the exiled Archbishop. Furthermore, he issued a Charter of Liberties which promised speedy redress of grievances, and a return to the good government of the Conqueror. Putting aside for the moment his many mistresses, he married the sister of the King of Scots, who was descended from the royal line of Wessex; and lest the Norman barons should think him too pro-English in this action, he changed her name from Edith to Matilda. No one could claim that he did not aim to please.
In 1101 Robert Curthose invaded, but Henry met him at Alton, and persuaded him to go away again by promising him an annuity of £2,000. He had no intention of keeping up the payments, but the problem was temporarily solved.
He now felt strong enough to move against dissident barons who might give trouble in the future. Chief amongst these was the vicious Robert of Bellême, Earl of Shrewsbury, whom Henry had known for many years as a dangerous troublemaker. He set up a number of charges against him in the king's court, making it plain that if he appeared for trial he would be convicted and imprisoned. Thus Robert and his colleagues were forced into rebellion at a time not of their own choosing, were easily defeated and sent scuttling back to Normandy.
In Normandy Robert Curthose began to wreak his wrath on all connected with his brother, thus giving Henry an excellent chance to retaliate with charges of misgovernment and invade. He made two expeditions in 1104-5, before the great expedition of 1106 on which Robert was defeated at the hour-long battle of Tinchebrai, on the anniversary of Hastings. No one had expected such an easy victory, but Henry took advantage of the state of shock resulting from the battle to annex Normandy. Robert was imprisoned (in some comfort, it be said); he lived on for 28 more years, ending up in Cardiff castle whiling away the long hours learning Welsh. His son William Clito remained a free agent, to plague Henry for most of the rest of his reign.
In England the struggle with Anselm over the homage of bishops ran its course until the settlement of 1107. In matters of secular government life was more simple: Henry had found a brilliant administrator, Roger of Salisbury, to act as Justiciar for him. Roger had an inventive mind, a keen grasp of affairs, and the ability to single out young men of promise. He quickly built up a highly efficient team of administrators, and established new routines and forms of organisation within which they could work. To him we owe the Exchequer and its recording system of the Pipe Rolls, the circuits of royal justiciars spreading the king's peace, and the attempts at codification of law. Henry's good relationships with his barons, and with the burgeoning new towns owed much to skilful administration. Certainly he was able to gain a larger and more reliable revenue this way than by the crude extortion his brother had used.
In 1120 came the tragedy of the White Ship. The court was returning to England, and the finest ship in the land was filled with its young men, including Henry's son and heir William. Riotously drunk, they tried to go faster and faster, when suddenly the ship foundered. All hands except a butcher of Rouen were lost, and England was without an heir.
Henry's benefactions to the Church caused the monkish historians to palliate his sins and to find excuses for his lust; but they could not avert the fatal consequence. When the White Ship was wrecked on the deadly rock, a boat was launched and the King's only legitimate son and heir was being rowed to safety. It was the cries of his illegitimate half-sister, the Countess of Perche, which induced him to return to the wreck, where they sank together. [THE COMPLETE PEERAGE, Volume XI, Appendix D, pp. 105-121]
Henry's only legitimate child was Matilda, but she was married to the Emperor Henry V of Germany, and so could not succeed. But in 1125 her husband died, and Henry brought her home and forced the barons to swear fealty to her---though they did not like the prospect of a woman ruler. Henry then married her to Geoffrey of Anjou, the Normans' traditional enemy, and the barons were less happy---especially when the newly-weds had a terrible row, and Geoffrey ordered her out of his lands. In 1131 Henry, absolutely determined, forced the barons to swear fealty once more, and the fact that they did so is testimoney of his controlling power. Matilda and Geoffrey were reunited, and in 1133 she produced a son whom she named for his grandfather. If only Henry could live on until his grandson was old enough to rule, all would be well.
But in 1135, against doctor's orders, he ate a hearty meal of lampreys, got acute indigestion, which turned into fever, and died. He was buried at his abbey in Reading---some said in a silver coffin, for which there was an unsuccessful search at the Dissolution. [Source: Who's Who in the Middle Ages, John Fines, Barnes & Noble Books, New York, 1995]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1100-1135.
Henry married Sibyl (Adela) (Lucy) CORBET Lady Of Alcester 893,1601,1748 about 1105 in No Marriage 390,630,893.,1747 Sibyl was born about 1092 in Longden, Pontesbury, Shropshire, England 389,390 and died after 1157 in <, Alcester, Warwick, England> 389,390,1747. Another name for Sibyl was Annora or Lucy.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Partners: Abt 1090. 1701,1702,1713,1749
Henry next married Several MISTRESSES 1601,1750 in No Marriage 389,390,1095.,1750 Several was born about 1070 in England & France.
Henry next married Edith FITZFORNE Baroness Of Greystoke 1464,1601 about 1089 in No Marriage 389,390.,1095 Edith was born about 1072 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England,389,390,1753 died in 1152 389,390,773,1753 about age 80, and was buried in Oseney Abbey, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.389,390,1753
Marriage Notes: Mistress of Henry I
_STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
Henry next married Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT 1601,1754,1755 in No Marriage.1754 Isabel was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
Henry next married Edith 1750 in No Marriage.1750 Edith was born about 1070 in England.
Henry next married Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew,1601,1758,1759,1760,1761,1762 daughter of Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth and Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON, about 1098 in No Marriage 389,390,726,1095,1750.,1757 Nest was born about 1073 of Dynevor, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390,1762 and died about 1163 about age 90.
Henry next married Matilda "Atheling" SCOTLAND Queen Of England 1599,1600,1601 on 11 November 1100 in Westminster Abbey, London, England 389,390,726,1600,1750.,1757 Matilda was born in October 1079 in Dunfermline, Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland,389,390,1600 died on 1 May 1118 in Westminster, London, Middlesex, England 389,390,1600 at age 38, and was buried in June 1118 in Church Of St Peter, Westminster, Middlesex, England.389,390
Henry next married Adeliza (Adela) Of LOUVAIN 1595,1598,1599 from 29 January 1120 to 1121 in Windsor Castle, Berkshire, England 1598,1599.,1600 Adeliza was born about 1103 in Brabant, Netherlands,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligem Nunnery, Brabant, Belgium (As A Nun) 1595,1599 about age 48, and was buried in Affligem Abbey, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Adeliza was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Henry next married Adelicia Princess Of BRABANT Queen Of England 1595,1598,1599,1601 from 24 January 1120 to 1121 in , Windsor, Berkshire, England 389,390,1598,1599,1764.,1765 Adelicia was born about 1094 in Of, , Brabant, Netherlands,389,390,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligham, Flanders, France 389,390,1595,1599 about age 57, and was buried on 23 April 1151 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390 Another name for Adelicia was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Queen of England, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,417,1764,1765
• Unknown: Princess of Brabant, <Brabant, Antwerp, Belgium, Netherlands>. 390,417,1765
Henry next married Ansfride De SPARSHALT Concubine 2 about 1086 in <, , , England> 389,390.,1095 Ansfride was born about 1069 in <, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England> 389,390 and was buried in Abington Abbey, Abington, Berkshire, England.389,390
Marriage Notes: _STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
16088723891. Several MISTRESSES 415,670,1601,1746,1750 was born about 1070 in England & France.
Several married Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND 1598,1600,1601,1602 in No Marriage 389,390,1095.,1750 Henry was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
16088723892. Gospatric I Earl Of Northumbria Mormaer DUNBAR 415,1863,1864 was born about 1040 in Allerdale (Workington, Cockermouth, Etc.), Cumberland, England 1864,1865 and died on 15 December 1074 in Ubbanford Now Norham, Northumberland, England 1865 about age 34.
General Notes: Gospatric; installed 1068/9 by William I the Conqueror as Earl, then predominantly an administrative post after his payment of a heavy fine or what would now be thought of as an entrance fee (though his hereditary claim through his maternal grandfather also played a part). Later (Oct or Nov 1072) deprived of the Earldom on a charge of having taken part in a massacre at Durham; fled to Scotland, where his cousin Malcolm III of Scotland granted him the Mormaership of Dunbar. [Burke's Peerage]
A subsequent Earl of Nothumberland was Gospatric, son and heir of Maldred, who in turn was son of Crinan, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld in what is now Perthshire. Gospatric held the Earldom from c Feb 1068/9 to 1072. Gospatric had a hereditary claim to the office of Earl of Northumberland, as did several of his successors. Disloyalty or incompetence in governing could lead to an Earls being deprived of his position, however, and when Gospatric rebelled he was ejected. [Burke's Peerage, Earldom & Dukedom of Northumberland, p. 2117]
Pilgrimage to Rome 1061.
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GOSPATRIC [a] son of MALDRED,[b] by Ealdgyth, daughter and heir of Ughtred, PRINCE OF NORTHUMBERLAND (and Elgiva, daughter of ETHELRED, KING OF ENGLAND), was born between 1040 and 1048; is probably identical with the "noble youth" of that name who visited Rome in 1061, in company with Tostig, the brother of Harold II; joined the Danes in an invasion of the north of England, but making peace with William I, was at Christmas 1067 entrusted with the government of Northumberland. Being, however, deprived of that post in October or November 1072, he fled to Scotland, receiving from Malcolm III "Dunbar with the adjacent lands in Lothian." He married. (----), sister of Edmund. He died probably about 1075, and most likely is the "Gospatricus Comes" whose monument was at Durham. He is stated in Hoveden to have died and been buried at Ubbanford [i.e. Norham], not long after his flight to Scotland. [Complete Peerage 4:504]
(a) "Gospatric" is Celtic for "the servant of Patrick" the word "Gwas" meaning "servant" Joseph Bain found the word as "Qwaspatricius" in an inquisition.
[b] Maldred was probably brother of Duncan, King of Scotland, 1034-40, who was s. of Crinan, Abbot of Dunkeld, which Crinan is conjectured (by Skene) to be the same as Crinan Tein, the father of this Maldrcd. Gospatric was thus cousin (paternally) to the Scottish and (maternally) to the English Kings.
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I received the following query (followed by my reply), along with information from electricscotland.com from Lora:
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 1:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: 1st Earl of Dunbar
Hi Jim,
According to this Electric Scotland account, it was Gospatrick I who was the first earl of Dunbar. I copied this (a small part) "Traditions and Stories of Scottish Castles -- Dunbar Castle" from their site. You show Gospatrick II as the first earl (ref. #I00234). There are a number of other sites that concur with Electric Scotland. So what do you think?
Lora
The first traces of this early structure are found in the records relating to William the Conqueror. In 1067, that monarch conferred the Earldom of Northumberland upon Robert Comyn, but he was so unpopular with his vassals that he and all his retainers were put to death in 1068 by the inhabitants of the district. Then Cospatrick (sometimes called "Gospatrick ") grandson of Malcolm II., King of Scotland, claimed the Earldom through his mother, who was a daughter of Uchtred, the Saxon Earl of Northumberland, but had ultimately to pay "a great sum of money" for it in 1067 to William the Conqueror. Soon afterwards Cospatrick quarrelled with William, and fled into Scotland with other northern leaders, finding refuge in 1072 with Malcolm III. (Ceanmor), whose wife, St Margaret, was a Saxon Princess. Malcolm conferred upon him "Dunbar with the adjacent lands in Lothian," and he thus became the first Earl of Dunbar. His death took place about 1089, and he was succeeded by his son, Cospatrick, second Earl of Dunbar, who was a benefactor to the Abbey of Kelso. Before his death in 1139, he had probably begun the erection of Dunbar Castle, as the oldest part of the ruins belong to about that period. This Earl was present at the foundation of Scone Abbey in 1115, and Holyrood Abbey in 1128, the former by Alexander I., and the latter by his brother and successor, David I., sons of Malcolm III. (Ceanmor).
My reply to the above is:
Gospatric was the first to settle in Dunbar, fleeing Northumbria after incurring the wrath of William the Conqueror. However both Burke's Peerage and the Complete Peerage, which are well respected in terms of the peerage of Great Britain, state that his son was the first Earl of Dunbar. So, according to peerage law, I think that BP and CP are probably correct. To be absolutely sure, one might check the Scots Peerage as well.
I can see where informally Gospatric could be assumed to be the first Earl of Dunbar, because he was the first to hold the Castle of Dunbar (there was a castle or something there before, but it was abandoned and may not have been called Dunbar), which became associated with the Earldom of Dunbar. For example in early England, titles were associated with holding certain castles/estates, such as Arundel or Shrewsbury, and whoever held them became known as the Earl of Arundel (Sussex) or the Earl of Shrewsbury (Salopshire/Shropshire). To my way of thinking these were the "real" earls and were immensely wealthy in a comparative sense (ie. The Earl of Chester "held" the entire county of Chester and there were only 25 or 30 of these earls who held the entire country). With very few exceptions the Scottish Peerage has maintained this relationship of titles to the holding of certain lands, whereas the English have gotten far away from that.
However I suppose that CP and BP did not consider Dunbar Castle to be the honour of an Earldom until Gospatric's son was proven to be an Earl. The "proof" of the son's status as an Earl did not come until a charter which was confirmed 16 Aug 1139, after his death, mentioned him as "Comes" or Earl. I suppose that one could argue that his father may have been styled an earl as well, but there is no proof.
Jim Weber
Gospatric married Sister Of Edmund Of SCOTLAND. Sister was born about 1069 in Scotland.
Gospatric next married Aethelreda Of ENGLAND 1866 in 1057. Aethelreda was born in 1042 in Wessex, England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Dorothy (Agnes) DUNBAR was born about 1057 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland.
ii. Gospatric II 1St Earl Of DUNBAR Sir was born in 1062 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland and died on 22 August 1138 in Battle Of The Standard, Northallerton, Yorkshire, England 1867 at age 76.
iii. Athelreda Of NORTHUMBERLAND was born about 1065 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland.
iv. Gunnilda Of DUNBAR was born before 1075 in Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland.
8044361946 v. Waltheof Lord Of ALLERDALE (born before 1075 in Allerdale, Scotland - died after 1125)
16088723893. Aethelreda Of ENGLAND 415,1866 was born in 1042 in Wessex, England.
Aethelreda married Gospatric I Earl Of Northumbria Mormaer DUNBAR 1863,1864 in 1057. Gospatric was born about 1040 in Allerdale (Workington, Cockermouth, Etc.), Cumberland, England 1864,1865 and died on 15 December 1074 in Ubbanford Now Norham, Northumberland, England 1865 about age 34.
16088723902. William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey,415,505,531,670,1416,1585,1868 son of William De WARENNE 1st Earl Of Surrey and Gundred Of FLANDERS, was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
General Notes: EARLDOM OF SURREY (II) 1088
WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) II, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir by 1st wife, usually styled EARL DE WARENNE. In 1090 he fought in Normandy against Robert de Belléme (afterwards 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury), who was supported by Duke Robert. Shortly after 1093 he sought unsuccessfully to marry Maud, daughter of Malcolm III, King of Scotland. He was with Henry I at Windsor on 3 September 1101, but later in that autumn he went with Duke Robert to Normandy and supported him against the King, who confiscated his inheritance in England; however, in 1103 the Duke induced Henry to restore his English Earldom. In 1106 he commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Tinchebrai. In 1109 he was at a Great Council at Nottingharn; and in 1110 he was a surety for the performance of the treaty with the Count of Flanders. In 1111 he was one of the nobles sitting in judgement in Normandy. He commanded a division of the royal army at the battle of Brémule in 1119 (l). In 1131 he attended the Council at Northampton. He was present at the death of Henry I on 1 December 1135 at Lyons-la-Foret; after which the councillors put him in charge of the district of Rouen and the pays de Caux. Later he went to England, and he was at Westminster with Stephen at Easter 1136. He was probably still living in June 1137. He was a benefactor, or confirmed previous benefactions, to the abbeys of St. Evroul and St. Amand (Rouen), and the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Wymondham, Longueville and Bellencombre. Henry I had proposed to marry William to one of his illegitimate daughters, but on Archbishop Anselm's objection this match was abandoned on the ground of affinity. William eventually married Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118) (c), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. He died probably 11 May 1138 and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter-house at Lewes. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory (g). She died probably before July 1147 (h). [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
(l) He had encouraged Henry to fight when William (de Tancarville) the Chamberlain urged him to retreat. His alleged speech to the King before the battle is given in "Chron. Men de Hida", pp. 316-7.
(c) According to Henry of Huntingdon [their daughter Ada's husband], the death of Isabel's 1st husband was hastened by an (unnamed) Earl carrying her off, by force or fraud. The truth of this is open to question.
(g) He left 3 sons: William - 3rd Earl, Ralph, and Rainald, ancestor of the Warennes of Wormegay; and 2 daughters: (1) Gundred, who m. 1st Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick; 2ndly, (as his 2nd wife), William de Lancaster; (2) Ada, who m. Henry, Earl of Huntingdon, s. of David I, King of Scotland, by whom she was mother of Malcolm IV and William the Lion, Kings of Scotland.
(h) Before her son William, 3rd Earl, went on crusade in June 1147.
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This nobleman, William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 2nd Earl of Surrey, joined Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, in favour of Robert Curthose against Henry I, and in consequence forfeited his English earldom and estates, but those were subsequently restored to him and he was ever afterwards a good and faithful subject to King Henry. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, and widow of Robert, Earl of Mellent, by whom he had issue, William, Reginald, Ralph, Gundred, and Adeline. The earl d. 11 May, 1138, and was s. by his eldest son, William de Warrenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]
William married Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS 531,1869,1871,1872,1873 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 Isabel was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
Children from this marriage were:
i. William De WARENNE 3rd Earl Of Surrey was born about 1119 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1011,1015,1016 and died from 19 January 1147 to 1148 in Laodicea, Holy Lands (Dspm) 389,390,1011,1015 about age 28. The cause of his death was Died in the Holy Land. Another name for William was 03rd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
ii. Reginald De WARENNE Lord Of Wormgay was born about 1120 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died in 1179 in Lewes Priory, Sussex, England (As A Monk) 1875,1876 about age 59.
iii. Ada De WARENNE was born about 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England and died in 1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1416,1419 about age 56.
8044361951 iv. Gundred De WARENNE (born about 1124 in Lewes, Sussex, England - died after 1166 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England)
16088723903. Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS,415,505,531,670,1869,1871,1872,1873 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
General Notes: Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef July 1147, Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. 1869
Isabel married Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester 905,1873,1874,1877 in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Robert was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adeline De BEAUMONT was born about 1097 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England.
ii. Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
iii. Eleanor De BEAUMONT was born in 1100 in Leicester Castle, Leicestershire, England.
v. Waleran De BEAUMONT Ct Meulan, Earl Worcester was born in 1104 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1717,1721 died on 10 April 1166 in Preaux, Eure, Normandy, France 1717,1721 at age 62, and was buried in Preaux Abbey, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Waleran was 1st Earl Of WORCESTER Waleran De Beaumont.
vi. Alice De BEAUMONT was born in 1105 in Beaumont, Sur-Oise, Normandy, France and died on 11 July 1191 in Rheims, France at age 86.
vii. Hugh "The Pauper" De BEAUMONT Earl Of Bedford was born about 1110 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1142 in Bedford, Bedfordshire, England (Dsp) 1878. Another name for Hugh was 1st Earl Of BEDFORD Hugh De Beaumont.
viii. Maud De BEAUMONT was born about 1116 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1189 1879,1880.
Isabel next married William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey 531,1416,1585,1868 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 William was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
16088724630. Robert De CAEN 1st Earl Of Gloucester,415,670,1210,1372,1375,1664,1700,1701,1702,1703,1704,1705,1706,1707 son of Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND and Sibyl (Adela) (Lucy) CORBET Lady Of Alcester, was born about 1090 in Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France,389,390,1372,1375,1700,1704,1706,1707,1708,1709 died on 31 October 1147 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England 389,390,1372,1375,1707,1710,1711,1712 about age 57, and was buried in Acceded: Aug 1122. Interred: St. James Priory, Bristol..389,390,1375,1702,1713 The cause of his death was Fever. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of GLOUCESTER Robert De Caen.
General Notes:
[From Burke's Peerage-see source for details]
An undoubted Earl of Gloucester, perhaps the first authentic one, at any rate after the Conquest, is Robert FitzHamon's son-in-law, another Robert, who was an illegitimate son of Henry I and was so created 1122. The Earldom passed to his eldest son, William FitzRobert, and from him to John, later King John and husband from 1189 to 1199 (when he divorced her) of Isabel, the youngest of William FitzRobert's three daughters. On John's coming to the throne the title did not merge in the Crown for it was not his in his own right but in right of his wife.
Robert was born about 1090, probably in Caen, Normandy (hence he was known as 'Robert of Caen'). His mother was probably an unknown woman of Caen and not Sibyl Corbet, as is stated by CP and others. He was acknowledged by his father King Henry I from his birth, and was raised at court from the time of his father's accession to the throne and educated under his direct supervision. Robert had a reputation for learning and literary appreciation, rare attributes at this time, which were undoubedly fostered by his scholarly father. By the time he was in his early twenties he was one of his father's leading military captains and advisers.
In 1107 he received from Henry the hand of a wealthy heiress, Mabel of Gloucester, daughter of Robert FitzHamon, who brought with her the barony of Gloucester and lordship of Glamorgan. They had a mansion at Tewkesbury.
Robert fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119, where Henry defeated King Louis VI of France. In 1122, after the death of his legitimate half-brothers, the earldom of Gloucester was created for his benefit.
In 1123, he led a force to assist in the capture of the castle of Brionne, which was held by rebel Norman barons. In 1126 he had custody of his uncle, the imprisoned rebel, Robert, Duke of Normandy.
In 1127 he did homage to his half-sister the Empress Matilda, recognizing her as their father?s successor to the throne. Henry looked to him to protect Matilda's interests after his death. Robert was with his father when he died in 1135, and it was Robert who made the funeral arrangements.
Robert was a significant figure in the struggle for succession between Stephen (his cousin) and Matilda. Robert and Stephen had been fierce rivals at the English court since 1127, and some barons encouraged Robert to claim the throne himself (after all, his grandfather William the Conqueror had also been illegitimate), but when Stephen was chosen as king, Robert eventually did conditional homage to him for his English lands.
In 1137 he accompanied King Stephen to Normandy, where Matilda was raising support, and a quarrel ensued between the men when Stephen tried to ambush Robert. Robert then threw his support behind Matilda, who was in Normandy, and obtained the surrender of Caen and Bayeux to her husband Geoffrey, Count of Anjou. In September 1139 Robert landed in England with Matilda and took her to Arundel Castle. He then made his way to Bristol Castle, which had remained loyal to him, and was later joined there by Matilda.
Robert became her commander-in-chief in the civil war which followed. Unlike most barons of the time, he fought his battles within the rules of warfare and was not unnecessarily violent or cruel, but was also regarded as brave and a good commander. He was also known for his respect for law and justice, and his integrity and chivalry. Between 1139 and 1141, he progressively took control of most of the south-west.
In early 1141, Robert obtained word that Stephen was besieging Lincoln Castle. Robert quickly moved there and forced battle by personally swimming across the River Trent and requiring his troops to follow. In the battle, many of Stephen's knights fled and Stephen was captured by Robert; he was imprisoned at Bristol in the care of Robert's wife Mabel.
Matilda went to London to be crowned, but she made herself unpopular with the Londoners and they were forced to flee. While beseiging Winchester, they themselves were surrounded. Robert engaged Stephen's queen's army for long enough to allow Matilda to escape, but he himself was captured and place in the custody of Stephen's queen at Rochester. Stephen and Robert were then returned to their respective camps in an even exchange, although Robert had wanted some of his supporters released to compensate for his lower status. The even exchange reflected Robert?s value to Matilda as her main supporter and battle leader.
In 1142 Matilda sent Robert to Anjou to attempt to convince her husband Geoffrey to come to her aid. Geoffrey declined to help until he had conquered Normandy, so Robert joined in his campaign. However, hearing that Matilda was besieged at Oxford, he hurried back to her assistance. He took Matilda and Geoffrey's son, nine year old Henry (the future King Henry II), with him. Despite some more victories, Matilda's support had gradually dwindled; Robert was unable to continue to press her cause, although he continued to support his nephew Henry. He did however retain control of most of the West Country, imposing law and order there. In 1144 one of Robert's sons, Philip, rebelled against his father in support of Stephen.
In 1147 thirteen year old Henry arrived in England with mercenary troops, meaning to conquer England. After a couple of weeks he turned up on Robert's doorstep in Bristol asking for money to pay the troops. Robert marched him straight to Wareham and put him on a ship, paying the captain to make sure he got back to his father in Normandy. Henry later regarded Robert as one of the formative influences on his life, the man who had made it possible for him to become king of England.
Later in 1147 Robert died of a rapid fever at Bristol, even though he was still very fit and able to lead an army himself. After his death Matilda's cause collapsed completely, a measure of his indispensability to her.
Robert was a patron of scholars, including some of the best-known medieval chroniclers such as William of Malmesbury and Geoffrey of Monmouth, and was known for his own cleverness and literary ability. One of his enemies, Baldwin fitz Gilbert, described him in terms which suggested he was all bark and no bite - a man who threatened much but did little, eloquent but lazy. His record as a soldier would tend to refute this last point, at the very least. He was also a generous benefactor of the Church, founding the Benedictine priory of St. James just outside Bristol and a Cistercian abbey at Margam, South Wales, and suppporting abbeys at Tewkesbury, Gloucester, and Neath. He was buried in a magnificent green jasper tomb at his foundation of St. James [CP queries the site of his burial, also claimed for Tewkesbury]. [Ref: Suzanne Doig <[email protected]> 14 Sep 1998 messaage to soc.genealogy.medieval]
Research note 1: mother Sibyl Corbet [Ref: Weir RoyalFam p48]
Research note 2: illegitimate son of Henry I, probably by Sibil, dau of Robert Fitz Corbet, burgess of Caen [Ref: Watney p404]
Research note 3: shown as son of Sibilla Corbet, but "There is no certain evidence to show that Sybilla really was Robert's mother, who may have been an unknown woman of Caen" [Ref: Weir RoyalFam p48]
Robert married Unknown MISTRESS in No Marriage. Unknown was born about 1092 in England.
Robert next married Mabel FITZHAMON 1370,1372,1375,1664,1666,1707,1710,1716 about 1115 in Gloucestershire, England 389,390,1372,1373,1375,1664,1666,1707,1713.,1715 Mabel was born about 1094 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England 1375 and died in 1157 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England 1270,1372,1373,1375,1707 about age 63. Other names for Mabel were Maud, and Sibyl.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:38764
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Abt 1120. 1270
16088724631. Mabel FITZHAMON,415,1370,1372,1375,1664,1666,1707,1710,1716 daughter of Robert FITZHAMON Lord Of Thoringni & Tewkesbury and Sibyl De MONTGOMERIE, was born about 1094 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England 1375 and died in 1157 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England 1270,1372,1373,1375,1707 about age 63. Other names for Mabel were Maud, and Sibyl.
General Notes:
Mabel, daughter and heir of Robert FITZ-HAMOND, lord of Tewkesbury. [Complete Peerage]
Mabel married Robert De CAEN 1st Earl Of Gloucester 1210,1372,1375,1664,1700,1701,1702,1703,1704,1705,1706,1707 about 1115 in Gloucestershire, England 389,390,1372,1373,1375,1664,1666,1707,1713.,1715 Robert was born about 1090 in Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France,389,390,1372,1375,1700,1704,1706,1707,1708,1709 died on 31 October 1147 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England 389,390,1372,1375,1707,1710,1711,1712 about age 57, and was buried in Acceded: Aug 1122. Interred: St. James Priory, Bristol..389,390,1375,1702,1713 The cause of his death was Fever. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of GLOUCESTER Robert De Caen.
16088724638. Gilbert De ROS Of Edlington 399,415 was born in 1130 in Edlington, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England.
Gilbert married Julian. Julian was born about 1145 in Edlington, Yorkshire, England.
The child from this marriage was:
8044362319 i. Julian De ROS (born about 1155 in Edlington, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England)
16088724639. Julian 399,415 was born about 1145 in Edlington, Yorkshire, England.
Julian married Gilbert De ROS Of Edlington. Gilbert was born in 1130 in Edlington, Doncaster, Yorkshire, England.
16088724640. Maredudd Ap BLEDDYN,415,505,1034 son of Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys and Haer Verch CYNILLIN, was born about 1047 in Monmouthshire, Wales 1034 and died about 1132 1034 about age 85.
Maredudd married Hunydd Verch EINUDD.1034 Hunydd was born about 1078 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Maredudd next married Eva Verch BETRWS. Eva was born about 1050 in Wales.
16088724641. Hunydd Verch EINUDD,415,505,1034 daughter of Einudd Ap MORIEN and Efa Verch LLEWELYN, was born about 1078 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Hunydd married Maredudd Ap BLEDDYN.1034 Maredudd was born about 1047 in Monmouthshire, Wales 1034 and died about 1132 1034 about age 85.
16088724642. Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd,415,505,1034,1388,1392 son of Cynan Ab IAGO Prince Of North Wales and Ragnaillt O'olaf Of DUBLIN, was born in 1055 in Dublin, Ireland,1034,1725 died in 1137 in Wales 1034,1388,1392 at age 82, and was buried in Bangor Cathedral, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034
Gruffudd married Angharat Verch OWAIN 1034,1725 about 1095.1725 Angharat was born about 1065 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1162 1034 about age 97.
Gruffudd next married Ferch Llychwy,1034 daughter of Llychwy and Unknown. Ferch was born about 1070 in Llanbeulan, Llechylched, Anglesey, Wales.1034
16088724643. Angharat Verch OWAIN,415,505,1034,1725 daughter of Owain Ap EDWIN and Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN, was born about 1065 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1162 1034 about age 97.
Angharat married Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd 1034,1388,1392 about 1095.1725 Gruffudd was born in 1055 in Dublin, Ireland,1034,1725 died in 1137 in Wales 1034,1388,1392 at age 82, and was buried in Bangor Cathedral, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034
16088724646. Gronw Ap OWAIN,415,505,1391 son of Owain Ap EDWIN and Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN, was born about 1073 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales and died in 1124 about age 51.
Gronw married about 1104.
The child from this marriage was:
8044362323 i. Christina Verch GRONW (born about 1125 in Wales)
16088724656. Adam De AUDLEY,415 son of William De AUDLEY Sir and Unknown, was born about 1088 in Audley, Staffordshire, England. Another name for Adam was Adam De ALDITHELEY.
General Notes: Adam de Aldithley, whose two sons were the founders of the noble families of Audley and Stanley.
Adam married.
Children from this marriage were:
8044362328 i. Liulf De AUDLEY Sheriff Of Chester (born about 1120 in Audley, Staffordshire, England - died after 1154)
ii. Adam I De STANLEY was born in 1124 in Hooton, Wirral, Cheshire, England and died after 1166 in Stanley, Stoke-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England.
16088724660. Orm A Staffordshire THANE 415 was born about 1090 in Horton, Staffordshire, England and died after 1130 in Darlaston, Walsall, Staffordshire, England.
Orm married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088724662. William MONTGOMERY Of Ecton,415,592 son of Ralph MONTGOMERY Of Cubley & Snelston and Unknown, was born about 1105 in Cubley, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England and died before 1166 in Ecton, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England 592.
General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 24 Nov 2002, by Rosie Bevan:
2. WILLIAM DE MONTGOMERY. Holding 4 hides in Ecton at the time of the Northamptonshire Survey made in the early 1100s. [VCH Northants v.4 p.123]
Note: The son William held the lands by 1166.
William married.
Children from this marriage were:
8044362331 i. Lettice De MONTGOMERY Heiress Of Snelston (born about 1130 in Snelston, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England)
ii. Walter MONTGOMERY Of Cubley & Ecton was born about 1132 in Cubley, Uttoxeter, Derbyshire, England and died before 1177 in Ecton, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England 592.
16088724664. Mr MAINWARING Of Warmincham,415,505 son of Richard De MAINWARING Of Warmincham and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Warmingham, Cheshire, England.
Mr married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044362332 i. Roger De MAINWARING Of Warmincham (born about 1130 in Warmingham, Cheshire, England)
16088727584. Simon CORBET Lord Of Caus & Wattlesboro,415,505 son of William CORBET Lord Of Worthen & Wattlesboro and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Wattlesborough, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died after 1155 in Caus Castle, Westbury, Shropshire, England.
16088727592. Thoredi FITZTORET Of Moreton Toret,415,505,910 son of Toret De WROXETER & Eaton and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Wroxeter, Atcham, Shropshire, England and died in Moreton Corbet, Wem, Shropshire, England. Another name for Thoredi was Thoredi TORET.
Thoredi married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044363796 i. Peter FITZTORET Of Moreton Toret (born about 1135 in Moreton Corbet, Wem, Shropshire, England - died about 1194)
16088727594. Bertram HAGET Of Helagh 415,505,910 was born about 1110 in Healaugh, Wetherby, West Riding Yorkshire, England.
Bertram married.
Children from this marriage were:
8044363797 i. Lucia HAGET (born about 1138 in Healaugh, Wetherby, West Riding Yorkshire, England - died before 1205)
ii. Bertram HAGET Of Wighill & Bainton & Healaugh was born about 1140 in Wighill, West Riding Yorkshire, England.
16088727730. Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant,415,670,1818,1881,1882 son of Henry II Count Of LOUVAIN and Adelaide (Adela) Of ORLAMUNDA, was born about 1060 in Brabant, Lorraine, France,1883 died from 25 January 1139 to 1140 in Jerusalem, Israel 1884 about age 79, and was buried in Affligem Abbey, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Godfrey was Godfrey "The Bearded" Of Louvain Duke Of BRABANT.
General Notes: Godfrey I, Duke of Brabant from 1106, also Marquis of Antwerp and Count of Louvain, called "The Bearded", deposed from his Duchy 1127 but continued styling himself Duke and was so succeeded by his son. [Burke's Peerage]
Godfrey married Ida De Chiny & NAMUR 1885,1886,1887 about 1100 in 1st Wife.1885 Ida was born about 1083 in Namur, Belgium 1888 and died before 1122 1885. Another name for Ida was Ida De CHINY & Namur.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Godfrey II Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant was born about 1105 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium 1889 and died in 1143 1890 about age 38.
iii. Ida Of LORRAINE was born about 1106 in Lorraine, France.
Godfrey next married Clemence Clementia Of BURGUNDY,1882,1884 daughter of William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY and Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY, about 1121 in 2ND Wife.1884 Clemence was born about 1078 in Bourgogne, France and died in 1131 about age 53.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Josceline De LOUVAIN Lord Of Petworth was born in 1121 in Louvain, Belgium 902 and died before September 1180 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England 880,1891. Another name for Josceline was Jocelin De PERCY.
16088727731. Ida De Chiny & NAMUR,415,670,1885,1886,1887 daughter of Otto II Comte De CHINY and Adelaide (Adelheid\Alix) De NAMUR, was born about 1083 in Namur, Belgium 1888 and died before 1122 1885. Another name for Ida was Ida De CHINY & Namur.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1120. 1270
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1125. 1886
Ida married Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant 1818,1881,1882 about 1100 in 1st Wife.1885 Godfrey was born about 1060 in Brabant, Lorraine, France,1883 died from 25 January 1139 to 1140 in Jerusalem, Israel 1884 about age 79, and was buried in Affligem Abbey, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Godfrey was Godfrey "The Bearded" Of Louvain Duke Of BRABANT.
16088728200. Hugh De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore,415,1892,1893 son of Ralph De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore and Mabel, was born about 1090 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England and died between 1148 and 1150 1892,1893 about age 58.
General Notes: HUGH DE MORTIMER, son and heir [of Ralph]. Hugh de Mortimer attested a charter by Gerold, Abbot of St. Lucien at Beauvais [1100-28], in the time of Stephen, Count of Aumale. When King Stephen, circa 1140, granted to the Earl of Leicester the town and castle of Hereford et lotum comitatum Herefordisc., the fees of Hugh de Mortimer were with others excepted. In 1144 he initiated the reconquest of the Marches after the revolt of the Welsh on the death of Henry I, by successfully reoccupying the cantreds of Maelienydd and Elfael, and repairing the castles of Cwmaron and Colwen. In 1145 he captured and imprisoned the Welsh prince Rhys ap Howel, and in 1146 he slew Meredith, son of Madog ap Idnerth, late chieftain of Elfael and Maelienydd. In 1148 he blinded his prisoner Rhys ap Howel. The name of his wife is unknown. He seems to have died in the period 1148-50. [Complete Peerage IX:268-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Hugh married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife. Unknown was born about 1090 in England and died before 1133.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Roger De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore was born about 1123 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England and died in 1153 in (Dsp) 1894 about age 30.
Hugh next married Maud Longespic Of NORMANDY, daughter of Unknown and Unknown, before 1133 in 2ND Wife. Maud was born about 1118 in Normandy, France. Another name for Maud was Maud LONGESPIC Of Normandy.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Maud De MORTIMER was born about 1134 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England.
16088728201. Unknown First WIFE 415 was born about 1090 in England and died before 1133.
Unknown married Hugh De MORTIMER Lord Of Wigmore 1892,1893 in 1st Wife. Hugh was born about 1090 in Wigmore, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England and died between 1148 and 1150 1892,1893 about age 58.
16088728202. William Le MESCHIN Lord Of Copeland,415,1895,1896 son of Ranulph Le MESCHIN Viscount Of Bayeux and Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester, was born about 1078 in Gernon Castle, Normandy, France and died in 1130 of Egrement & Copeland, Cumberland, England 1897 about age 52.
William married Cecily De RUMILLY Heiress Skipton & Harewood 1896.,1898 Cecily was born about 1092 in Skipton-In-Craven, Yorkshire, England and died before 1155 1897.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Avice Le MESCHIN Heiress Of Rougemont was born about 1110 in Harringworth, Northumberland, England and died in Rougemont, West Riding Yorkshire, England. Another name for Avice was Avice (Amice) De RUMELLI.
ii. Alice De RUMILLY Heiress Of Copeland was born about 1115 in Copeland, Cumberland, England and died in 1187 1897 about age 72.
8044364101 iii. Maud Le MESCHIN (born about 1131 in Skipton-In-Craven, Yorkshire, England - died after 1189)
16088728203. Cecily De RUMILLY Heiress Skipton & Harewood,415,1896,1898 daughter of Robert De RUMILLY Lord Of Skipton-In-Craven and Muriel, was born about 1092 in Skipton-In-Craven, Yorkshire, England and died before 1155 1897.
Cecily married William Le MESCHIN Lord Of Copeland 1895.,1896 William was born about 1078 in Gernon Castle, Normandy, France and died in 1130 of Egrement & Copeland, Cumberland, England 1897 about age 52.
16088728204. Robert De FERRERS 2nd Earl Of Derby,415,505,1899,1900 son of Robert De FERRERS 1st Earl Of Derby and Hawise De VITRE Countess Of Derby, was born about 1118 in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England,1899 died before 1160 in Duffield, Belper, Derbyshire, England 1899,1901, and was buried in Abbey Of Merevale, Warwickshire, England. Other names for Robert were 02nd Earl Of DERBY Robert De Ferrieres, and Robert De FERRIERES 2nd Earl Of Derby.1901
General Notes: EARLDOM OF DERBY (II) 1139
ROBERT [DE FERRIERES], EARL OF DERBY, or EARL OF FERRIERES, son and heir. During the reign of King Stephen, he founded the Abbeys of merevale, co. Warwick, and Darley near Derby, and was the virtual founder of the Priory of Bredon, co. Leicester. He went, or proposed to go, on pilgrimage to Santiago.
He married Margaret, daughter and heir of William Peverel, of Nottingham. He died before 1160, and was buried in Merevale Abbey, wrapped in an oxhide. [Complete Peerage IV:191-2, XIV:230, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Earl of Derby, in the 12th Henry II, upon levying the aid for marrying the king's daughter, certified the knights' fees then in his possession to be in number seventy-nine for which he paid the sum of 68 marks. This nobleman was also a liberal benefactor to the church. His lordship was buried at the Abbey of Meervale, co. Warwick, one of the religious houses which he had founded, wrapped in an ox's hide according to his desire. His lordship m. Margaret, dau. and heiress of William Peverel, of Nottingham, by whom he had issue. He was s. by his son, William de Ferrers, 3rd Earl of Derby. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 196, Ferrers, Earls of Derby]
Robert married Margaret PEVEREL 1899,1900,1901 in 1135. Margaret was born about 1118 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England.
The child from this marriage was:
16088728205. Margaret PEVEREL,415,505,1899,1900,1901 daughter of William "The Younger" PEVEREL Of Nottingham and Avice De LANCASTER, was born about 1118 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England.
General Notes: He [Robert de Ferrieres] married Margaret, daughter and heir of William Peverel, of Nottingham. He died before 1160, and was buried in Merevale Abbey, wrapped in an oxhide. [Complete Peerage IV:191-2, XIV:230, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Margaret married Robert De FERRERS 2nd Earl Of Derby 1899,1900 in 1135. Robert was born about 1118 in Tutbury, Burton-On-Trent, Staffordshire, England,1899 died before 1160 in Duffield, Belper, Derbyshire, England 1899,1901, and was buried in Abbey Of Merevale, Warwickshire, England. Other names for Robert were 02nd Earl Of DERBY Robert De Ferrieres, and Robert De FERRIERES 2nd Earl Of Derby.1901
16088728206. William II De BRAOSE 10th Lord Of Abergavenny,415,505,1902,1903,1904,1905 son of Philip Baron De BRAOSE Sir and Aenor De TOTNES, was born in 1112 in Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales and died before 1193 in Weobley, Herefordshire, England 1905,1906. Another name for William was William De BRIOUZE.
General Notes: From c1173 to 1230 successive fathers, sons, and younger brothers called de Briouze were feudal lords of Abergavenny. William de Briouze, the first of them, who derived his name from his lordship of Briouze in Normandy, married the sister and coheir of the 2nd Earl of Hereford (also daughter of 1st Earl) mentioned above, which seems to account for his coming into possession of a lordship in that part of the Welsh marches. [Burke's Peerage]
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OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (X) 1173?
William de Briouze (e), Lord of Briouze in Normandy, and of Bramber, Sussex, son and heir of Philip de Briouze, be Aenor, daughter and heir of Juhel son of Alvred, Lord of Barnstaple and Totnes. He married, in or before 1150, Bertha, 2nd sister and coheir of William of Hereford being daughter of Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Gloucester (sic. Earl of Hereford). Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at which earlier date probably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. He was living in 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(e) Briouze-Saint-Gervais (formerly Braiose), arrond. of Argentan, dept. of Orne. His descendants spelt the name Brewes. In some 25 early references to this name, not in charter latin, it appears as Breouse, Breuse, or Brewys (the last of which still exists as a surname), but never as Braose, the form adopted in peerages, for which it seems doubtful if there be any good authority.
Note: The above text "1st Earl of Gloucester", which was part of a correction in CP XIV:6, is a mistake; Miles was Earl of Hereford.
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William was very fortunate in his marriage to Berta. All of her brothers died young without heirs, so she brought a number of important lordships to the de Braoses in 1166. These included Brecon and Abergavenny. William became Sheriff of Hereford in 1174. His interest in Sussex was maintained as he confirmed the grants of his father and grandfather for the maintenance of Sele Priory and extended St Mary's, Shoreham.
See St Mary's, Shoreham, Sussex.
William m. Berta, dau. of Milo de Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, and co-heir of her brother, William, Earl of Hereford, by whom he acquired Brecknock, with other extensive territorial possessions. He had two sons, William and Reginald, and was s. by the elder. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower]
William married Bertha De GLOUCESTER Heiress Of Brecon 1902,1904,1905,1907 about 1150.1903 Bertha was born about 1130 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Bertha was Bertha De HEREFORD.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Matilda (Maud) De BRAOSE was born about 1146 in Bramber, Sussex, England.
8044364103 ii. Sybil De BRAOSE (born in 1150 in Bramber, Sussex, England - died after 5 February 1227-1228)
iii. Bertha De BRAOSE was born in 1151 in Bramber, Sussex, England.
v. Susan Maud De BRAOSE was born about 1160 in Bramber, Sussex, England and died on 29 December 1210 in Llanbadarn Fawr, Perfedd, Cardiganshire, Wales about age 50.
16088728207. Bertha De GLOUCESTER Heiress Of Brecon,415,505,1902,1904,1905,1907 daughter of Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford and Sybil De NEUFMARCHE, was born about 1130 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Bertha was Bertha De HEREFORD.
General Notes: He [William de Briouze] married, in or before 1150, Bertha, 2nd sister and coheir of William of Hereford being daughter of Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Gloucester. Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at which earlier date probably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. He was living in 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: The above text "1st Earl of Gloucester", which was part of a correction in CP XIV:6, is a mistake; Miles was Earl of Hereford.
Bertha married William II De BRAOSE 10th Lord Of Abergavenny 1902,1903,1904,1905 about 1150.1903 William was born in 1112 in Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales and died before 1193 in Weobley, Herefordshire, England 1905,1906. Another name for William was William De BRIOUZE.
16088728216. Henry De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Warwick,415,1587,1908,1909 son of Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer and Adeline De MEULAN, was born about 1048 in Neubourg, Eure, Normandy, France,1909,1910,1911 died on 20 June 1119 in Warwick Castle, Warwickshire, England 531,1587,1909 about age 71, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France. Other names for Henry were Henry De NEWBURGH 1st Earl Of Warwick, and 01st Earl Of WARWICK Henry De Beaumont.
General Notes: Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick, so created between July and Dec 1088 and granted lands which up till two years previously had belonged to a Saxon Thane, Turkill or Turchil of Arden (an ancestor of William Shakespeare); born c1048; granted feudal Lordship of Gower, South Wales by Henry I some time between 1106 and 1116; married Margaret (died in or after 1156), daughter of Geoffrey, Count de Perche, and died most probably 20 June 1119. [Burke's Peerage]
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Earldom of Warwick: Apart from the period 1618 to 1759 the various creations and descents of the Earldom of Warwick have been to and among grantees connected by blood, however tenuously. That is remarkable, given that the period stretches to nearly a thousand years. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2944]
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EARLDOM OF WARWICK (I) 1088
HENRY DE BEAUMONT, younger son of Roger DE BEAUMONT, seigneur of Beaumont, Pontaudemer, Brionne and Vatteville (in Normandy), by Adeline, sister and in her issue heir (of the whole blood) of Hugh, COUNT OF MEULAN, daughter of Waleran, COUNT OF MEULAN (in the Kingdom of France), was b. probably about 1048. According to Orderic, when the Conqueror built Warwick Castle in 1068, he made Henry constable thereof; but in view of Henry's youth, it is likely that the historian is antedating a much later appointment. Henry attests a royal charter at Le Mans in 1073. In 1077 he was with the King at Caen; and in 1079 he was one of the nobles at Rouen who tried to reconcile the King and his eldest son. He was with William in Normandy in 1080 and 1082; and he was again in Normandy in 1086. Almost at the end of the reign he was with the King at Westminster. In 1088 he supported William Rufus against the rebels; and he was created, in 1088 (July-December), EARL OF WARWICK. To support the Earldom the King gave him the lands of an English thegn, Turchil of Arden, who had still held large estates in 1086. Probably by a family arrangement, he also obtained lands in co. Warwick which had been held in 1086 by his elder brother Robert, Count of Meulan. Probably in 1088 he witnessed, as Earl, a charter of Robert, Duke of Normandy. During the remainder of the reign he does not seem to have taken any active part in public affairs. On his father's death about 1094 he succeeded to the Norman Barony of Annebecq, which at a later date comprised 22¾ knights' fees, for which the service of 2½ knights' fees was due. He was probably in the royal hunting party when William Rufus was killed in the New Forest, 2 August 1100; for next day, when the nobles met at Winchester to choose the King's successor, he was present and took a leading part in the election of Henry IV. Immediately after the Coronation at Westminster, 5 August Warwick witnessed Henry's charter of liberties. In June 1101, when Robert, Duke of Normandy, prepared to invade England, Warwick and his brother Robert were among the King's few supporters in Normandy. He remained loyal to Henry I for the rest of his life and often attested royal charters. Between 1100 and 1116 Henry I granted him the peninsula of Gower, Glamorgan. He founded a priory of Austin canons, at Warwick and was a benefactor of St. Mary's Church there and of the Abbeys of Préaux and St. Taurin, Evreux.
He married Margaret, daughter of Geoffrey, COUNT OF PERCHE, by Beatrice, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER and ROUCY. He died (probably 20 June) 1119 and was buried at Préaux. His widow, who enjoyed a high reputation for piety and virtue, in 1125 witnessed the foundation charter of the Hermitage of Notre-Dame-du-Désert by Robert, Earl of Leicester. She was a benefactor of Kenilworth Priory and the Knights Templars, and consented to a gift by her son Robert to the Abbey of Le Bec. She was living in 1156. [Complete Peerage XII/2:357-60, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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The first who bore the title of Earl of Warwick, after the Norman Conquest, was Henry de Newburgh (so called from the castle of that name in Normandy), a younger son of Roger de Bellomont, Earl of Mellent. When this eminent person obtained that earldom is not exactly ascertained, but Sir William Dugdale presumed the period to be toward the close of the Conqueror's reign, "for then," saith he, "King William, having begirt Warwick with a mighty ditch, for the precinct of its walls, and erected the gates at his own charge, did promote this Henry to the earldom, and annexed thereto the royalty of the borough, which at that time belonged to the crown." But, though Henry de Newburgh was made Earl of Warwick by the first Norman sovereign, he was not invested with all the lands attached to the earldom until the ensuing reign, as we find William Rufus, soon after his accession to the throne, conferring upon him the whole inheritance of Turchil de Warwick, a Saxon, who, at the coming of Duke William, had the reputation of earl; and thenceforth the "bear and ragged staff," the device of Turchil's family derived from the chivalrous Guy, Earl of Warwick, was assumed by the first of the Newburgh dynasty, and it has been continued ever since as a badge of the successive Earls of Warwick. The name of this Henry, Earl of Warwick, appears as a witness to the charter of King Henry I, whereby that prince confirmed the laws of Edward the Confessor, and granted many other immunities to the clergy and laity. His lordship m. Margaret, dau. of Geffrey, Count de Moreton, and sister of Rotrode, Earl of Perch, and had issue, two daus., whose names are not mentioned, and five sons, viz., Roger, his successor; Henry; Geffrey; Rotrode, bishop of Evreux; and Robert, seneschal and justice of Normandy, who was a great benefactor to the abbey of Bec in which he was afterwards shorn a monk and d. in 1123.
This Earl Henry commenced imparking Wedgenock, near his castle of Warwick, following the example of his sovereign, King Henry, who made the first park that had ever been in England, at Woodstock. His lordship, who was as memorable for pious foundations as distinguished for military achievements, d. in 1123 and was s. by his eldest son, Roger de Newburgh. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 399, Newburgh, Earls of Warwick]
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The earldom of Warwick was created by William II in 1088 for Henry de Beaumont, who had held Warwick castle since its building by William the Conqueror 20 years before.
Henry, younger brother of Robert, count of Meulan, was lord of Neubourg, near Beaumont-le-Roger in Normandy, and Rufus gave him the great midland estate of the English noble, Thurkill of Arden. The new earl was an intimate friend of Henry I, whose succession he did much to promote. He died in 1123 and was buried at Preaux (Normandy). Roger, his eldest son, held the earldom until his death in 1153. [Encyclopædia Britannica, 1961 ed., Vol. 23, p. 375, EARLS OF WARWICK]
Henry married before 1100.
The child from this marriage was:
16088728232. Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir,415,677,1409,1755,1912 son of Richard Fitzgilbert De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Rohese GIFFARD, was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
General Notes: Gilbert, feudal Lord of Clare, Suffolk and Cardigan, whose father Richard was son of the Count of Brionne, of an illegitimate line of the Dukes of Normandy). [Burke's Peerage]
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HOLDERS OF THE HONOUR OF CLARE (II) 1090 ?
GILBERT FITZRICHARD, styled also DE CLARE and DE TONBRIDGE, Lord of Clare, &c., son who succeeded to the English possessions of his father [a]. He was born before 1066, and was founder of the Priory at Clare, 1090. By Henry I he was granted, 1107-1111, the Lordship of Cardigan.
He married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Built the first castles at Cardigan and Aberystwyth in Wales.
[a] His brother Roger FitzRichard [living 1130] inherited the lands in Normandy. This Roger, who possibly was the oldest son, died s.p.
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Gilbert de Tonebruge, who resided at Tonebruge and inherited all his father's lands in England, joined in the rebellion of Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland, but observing the king (William Rufus) upon the point of falling into an ambuscade, he relented, sought pardon, and saved his royal master. We find him subsequently, however, again in rebellion in the same reign and fortifying and losing his castle at Tunbridge. He m. in 1113, Adeliza, dau. of the Earl of Cleremont, and had issue, Richard, his successor, Gilbert, Walter, Hervey, and Baldwin. Gilbert de Tonebruge, who was a munificent benefactor to the church, was s. by his eldest son, Richard de Clare. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 119, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
Gilbert m. Adeliza, dau, of the Earl of Claremont, and was father of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford, and Gilbert de Clare, created Earl of Pembroke. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 230, Giffard, Earls of Buckingham]
Gilbert married Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT 1409,1912,1913,1914 in 1st Husband.1409 Adeliza was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Hawise De CLARE was born about 1089 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England.
iii. Agnes De CLARE was born about 1091 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England.
iv. Baldwin Fitzgilbert De CLARE Lord Of Bourne was born in 1092 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England 1915 and died in 1154 in Bourne, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England 1916 at age 62.
v. Alice De CLARE was born about 1093 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England and died about 1163 in St. Osyth's Priory, Essex, England (As A Nun) 1917,1918 about age 70.
vi. Margaret De CLARE was born in 1097 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England and died after 1185 1919.
vii. Gilbert De CLARE 1st Earl Of Pembroke was born on 21 September 1100 in Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England, died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1755 at age 46, and was buried in Tintern Abbey, Chapel Hill, Monmouthsire, England. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert De Clare Earl Of PEMBROKE.
16088728233. Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT,415,670,1409,1912,1913,1914 daughter of Hugh De Creil Comte De CLERMONT and Margaret De ROUCY, was born about 1072 in Clermont-En-Beauvais, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliza De CLAREMONT.
General Notes: There seems to be a serious error in line 246b-24 of Ancestral Roots, which has this Adeliza marrying Robert de Condet d. 1141, after her marriage to Gilbert Fitz Richard. This does not agree with any other lines, which have Robert de Condet's wife as Adeliza dau. of Ranulph le Meschin, Earl of Chester. The error in generation 24 is shown in the next generation of this line (246b-25) which has Adeliza dau. of Ranulph marrying first Richard Fitz Gilbert and then Robert de Condet. I believe this (generation 25) is correct. See notes under Adeliz le Meschin, wife of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare.
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He [Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare] married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, COUNT OF CLERMONT in Beauvaisis, by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, COUNT OF MONTDIDIER AND Roucy. He died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) DE MONTMORENCY. [Complete Peerage III:242-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adeliza married Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir 677,1409,1755,1912 in 1st Husband.1409 Gilbert was born about 1066 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England,1408,1409 died between 1114 and 1117 in Cardigan, Cardiganshire, Wales 1408,1409,1410 about age 48, and was buried in Clare Priory, Suffolk, England. Another name for Gilbert was 02nd Lord Of CLARE Gilbert De Clare.
Adeliza next married Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY 1409,1920,1921 after 1124 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 1409.,1914 Bouchard was born about 1073 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 2 January 1131 to 1132 1922 about age 58.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1124. 1921
16088728234. Ranulph Le MESCHIN 1st Earl Of Chester,415,902,1690,1691 son of Ranulph Le MESCHIN Viscount Of Bayeux and Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester, was born about 1070 in Briquessard, Calvados, Normandy, France, died from January 1128 to 1129 in Chester, Cheshire, England 1691,1692 about age 58, and was buried in St Werburgh, Chester, Cheshire, England. Another name for Ranulph was 04th\1St Earl Of CHESTER Ranulph Le Meschin.
General Notes:
Ranulph III le Meschin, de Briquessart, d. c 1129, buried St Werburg's, Chester, lord of Cumberland, vicomte of Bayeux in Normandy, Earl of Chester in 1120, following the death of his first cousin Hugh d'Avranches, Earl of Chester; in 1124 commander of the Royal Forces in Normandy; m. probably c 1098 Lucy, living 1130, widow susscessively, of Ives Taillebois and Roger Fitz Gerold. [Ancestral Roots]
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EARLDOM OF CHESTER (IV, 1)
RANULPH LE MESCHIN (a), styled, also, "DE BRIQUESSART," VICOMTE DE BAYEUX in Normandy, son and heir of Ranulph, VICOMTE DE BAYEUX, by Margaret, sister of Hugh (D'AVRANCHES), EARL OF CHESTER, being thus 1st cousin and heir to the last Earl (whom he succeeded as VICOMTE D'AVRANCHES) &C.) in Normandy), obtained, after the Earl's death in 1120, the grant of the county palatine of Chester becoming thereby EARL OF CHESTER. He appears thereupon to have surrendered the Lordship of the great district of Cumberland, which he had acquired, shortly before, from Henry I. In 1124 he was Commander of the Royal forces in Normandy. He married Lucy, widow of Roger FITZ-GEROLD (by whom she was mother of William de Roumare, afterwards Earl of Lincoln). He died 17 or 27 January 1128/9, and was buried at St. Werburg's, Chester. The Countess Lucy confirmed, as his widow, the grant of the Manor of Spalding to the monks of that place (f). [Complete Peerage III:166, XIV:170, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(a) ie. "The young" from the Latin "Mischinus"; French "Meschin" (Le Jeune). "Apud Francos mediae aetatis scriptores sumitur vox "Meschin" pro adolescente et juvenculo." Ducange.
(f) She paid 500 marks to King Henry in 1130 for license to remain unmarried for 5 years.
Note: The name should be "le" instead of "de" Meschin because "de" implies a place that the person was from, which is not the case here.
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Ranulf or Randle de Meschines, surnamed de Bricasard, Viscount Bayeux, in Normandy, (son of Ralph de Meschines, by Maud, his wife, co-heir of her brother, Hugh Lupus, the celebrated Earl of Chester), was given by King Henry I the Earldom of Chester, at the decease of his 1st cousin, Richard de Abrincis, 2nd Earl of Chester, of that family, without issue. By some historians, this nobleman is styled Earl of Carlisle, from residing in that city; and they further state that he came over in the train of the Conqueror, assisted in the subjugation of England, and shared, of course, in the spoil of conquest. He was lord of Cumberland and Carlisle, by descent from his father, but having enfeoffed his two brothers, William, of Coupland, and Geffrey, of Gillesland, in a large portion thereof, he exchanged the Earldom of Cumberland for that of Chester, on condition that those whom he had settled there should hold their lands of the king, in capite. His lordship m. Lucia, widow of Roger de Romara, Earl of Lincoln, and dau. of Algar, the Saxon, Earl of Mercia, and had issue, Ranulph, his successor; William, styled Earl of Cambridge, but of his issue nothing in known; Adeliza, m. to Richard Fitz-Gilbert, ancestor of the old Earls of Clare; and Agnes, m. to Robert de Grentemaisnil. The earl d. in 1128 and was s. by his elder son, Ranulph de Meschines. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages,. Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 365, Meschines, Earls of Chester]
Ranulph married Lucy (Lucia) Of MERCIA 1022,1691,1692 about 1098 in 3rd Husband.1692 Lucy was born about 1070 in Crowland & Spalding, Lincolnshire, England 1270 and died in 1141 1270 about age 71.
16088728235. Lucy (Lucia) Of MERCIA,415,1022,1691,1692 daughter of Turold Sheriff Of LINCOLN and Alvarissa MALET, was born about 1070 in Crowland & Spalding, Lincolnshire, England 1270 and died in 1141 1270 about age 71.
General Notes: Lucy, living 1130, widow susscessively, of Ives Taillebois and Roger Fitz Gerold; m. probably c 1098 Ranulph III le Meschin. [Ancestral Roots]
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He [Ranulph le Meschin] married Lucy, widow of Roger FITZ-GEROLD (by whom she was mother of William de Roumare, afterwards Earl of Lincoln). He died 17 or 27 January 1128/9, and was buried at St. Werburg's, Chester. The Countess Lucy confirmed, as his widow, the grant of the Manor of Spalding to the monks of that place (f). [Complete Peerage III:166, XIV:170, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(f) She paid 500 marks to King Henry in 1130 for license to remain unmarried for 5 years.
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The following copied from www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/PRSPN2.stm,
gives the latest research on the ancestry of Lucy:
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Antecessor Noster:
The Parentage of Countess Lucy Made Plain
A lot of ink has flowed on the subject, but there can be no doubt that the 'mysterious' Countess Lucy of Chester was William Malet's thrice-married granddaughter, the daughter of Robert Malet's sister and Turold the Sheriff of Lincoln (dead by 1079). The suggestion was first made by R. Kirk in 1888. As N. Sumner has more recently observed: 'This account has the merit of explaining why the lordship of Spalding and other places in Lincolnshire were held after Ivo's death not by Beatrice, his direct heir and the daughter of his marriage to Lucy, but by the later husbands of Lucy, Roger fitz Gerold and Ranulph Meschines.' It is clear from her charters that Lucy was an heiress; as was to be expected, her estates passed to the sons of her second and third marriages. Kirk's work was based upon conjecture, and contained a number of errors. The question of Lucy's parentage has therefore remained open. Nevertheless, there is proof that Kirk was right.
A spurious charter of Crowland Abbey made Turold of Bucknall (the Sheriff) the founder of the priory of Spalding as a cell of Crowland. It also called Turold brother of Godiva countess of Mercia, but subsequently described Godiva's son Earl Algar as Turold's cognatus (cousin). A genealogia fundatoris of Coventry Abbey made Lucy a daughter of Earl Algar and sister and heiress of earls Edwin and Morcar. The Peterborough Chronicle and the Pseudo-Ingulf's Chronicle of Crowland both made Lucy the daughter of Algar and niece or great-niece of Turold. We know that William Malet was half-English, so these traditions probably boil down to a relationship between Countess Godiva and William's English mother.
In 1153 a charter [RRAN, III, 180] of the future Henry II for Lucy's son Ranulf II of Chester referred to her uncles Robert Malet and Alan of Lincoln. Alan of Lincoln was the successor, and almost certainly the son, of Domesday's Alfred of Lincoln. Chronologically, it is most unlikely that Alan was Lucy's uncle. It was probably another of Alfred's sons whom Domesday described as Alfred nepos [nephew or grandson] of Turold, then holding a fee which was certainly thereafter held with the rest of the senior Alfred's fee by his heir Alan. Domesday provides a further indication that Alfred senior married another of William Malet's daughters when it names a William as Alfred's predecessor in two of his manors. Other parts of each of these manors (Linwood and Rothwell) were held in 1086 by Durand Malet, who was probably William's son. It seems that Henry's charter can be explained by seeing a scribe, perhaps in search of rhetorical balance, commit the error of ascribing two uncles to Lucy, instead of a niece (Lucy) and a nephew (Alan of Lincoln) to Robert Malet, who was uncle to both.
Turold is evidenced in Domesday Book as a benefactor of Crowland Abbey, to which he gave a parcel of land at Bucknall. The abbey also held land at Spalding that had probably been granted to it by Earl Algar and there is evidence to suggest that Turold the Sheriff gave further land there to the abbey of St Nicholas, Angers, before 1079. Lucy and her first husband Ivo Taillebois subsequently founded, or perhaps re-founded, a priory at Spalding subject to St Nicholas, Angers. A revealing phrase from the Register of Spalding Priory reads: 'mortuo quia dicto Thoraldo relicta sibi herede Lucia predicta' [at his death Turold left an heir, the aforesaid Lucy]. The word heres, 'heir', was often used of the child who was to inherit his/her father's property. Lucy later confirmed the gifts of all three of her husbands: 'pro redempcione anime patris mei et matris mee et dominorum meorum et parentum meorum' [for the souls of my father and mother, my husbands and my (other) relatives]. The association of the priory with such a small group of people and the description of Lucy as heres of Turold strongly hint at Lucy's parentage. But we can go further still.
In their initial benefaction Ivo and Lucy referred to 'antecessorum suorum Turoldi scilicet uxorisque eius regine' [our 'ancestors' Turold and his wife]. The reference to Turold's wife indicates that some part of his landholding had come to him through his wife, something also indicated by the occurrence of William Malet amongst those who had held the Domesday lands of Lucy's first husband Ivo Taillebois before him. The apparently vague Latin words antecessor and predecessor can both be used to mean something like 'predecessor'. Each of them conveys a range of very precise meanings in different circumstances. The description of Turold and his wife as antecessores of Ivo and Lucy may be compared to the usage in a charter in the cartulary of Mont-Saint-Michel by which the Angevins Hugh Chalibot and his wife confirmed the grants of her father, who was described as antecessor noster. Other examples of this phrase show clearly that it was used by a married man to describe the parent from whom his wife had inherited the property she brought to the marriage. Acting on her own account (normally after her husband's death), the heiress will often describe herself as the daughter of the parent her husband described as antecessor noster. A rare use of the phrase was to indicate the couple's immediate predecessor, not her father but her brother. In Lucy and Ivo's case the plurality of their antecessores, Turold and his wife, puts the matter beyond doubt. Lucy's parents were indeed Turold the Sheriff and a daughter of William Malet.
K. S. B. Keats-Rohan
Linacre College
Oxford
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1130. 1692
Lucy married Ives (Ivo) De TAILLEBOIS 1st Baron Of Kendal 1022,1694,1695 after 1086 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife.1693 Ives was born about 1036 in Cristot, Calvados, Normandy, France 1696 and died in 1094 in Kendal, Cambria, England 1697 about age 58. Another name for Ives was Ivo TAILBOYS.
Lucy next married Roger Fitzgerold Seigneur De ROUMARE 1691,1692 after 1094 in 2ND Husband.1693 Roger was born about 1050 in Roumare, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 15 July 1098 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England 1698. Another name for Roger was Roger FITZGEROLD Seigneur De \Roumare\.
Lucy next married Ranulph Le MESCHIN 1st Earl Of Chester 902,1690,1691 about 1098 in 3rd Husband.1692 Ranulph was born about 1070 in Briquessard, Calvados, Normandy, France, died from January 1128 to 1129 in Chester, Cheshire, England 1691,1692 about age 58, and was buried in St Werburgh, Chester, Cheshire, England. Another name for Ranulph was 04th\1St Earl Of CHESTER Ranulph Le Meschin.
Lucy next married Ives (Ivo) De TAILLEBOIS 1st Baron Of Kendal 1022,1694,1695 after 1086 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife.1693 Ives was born about 1036 in Cristot, Calvados, Normandy, France 1696 and died in 1094 in Kendal, Cambria, England 1697 about age 58. Another name for Ives was Ivo TAILBOYS.
16088728240. Roger BIGOD Earl Of East Anglia,415,1336,1923 son of Robert BIGOD Of Avranches and Miss De ST. SAUVEUR, was born about 1065 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France 1924 and died on 8 September 1107 in Earsham, Depwade, Suffolk, England. 1585 about age 42. Another name for Roger was Roger BIGOT Earl Of East Anglia.
General Notes: The first of this great family that settled in England was Roger Bigod who, in the Conqueror's time, possessed six lordships in Essex and a hundred and seventeen in Suffolk, besides divers manors in Norfolk. This Roger, adhering to the party that took up arms against William Rufus in the 1st year of that monarch's reign, fortified the castle at Norwich and wasted the country around. At the accession of Henry I, being a witness of the king's laws and staunch in his interests, he obtained Framlingham in Suffolk as a gift from the crown. We find further of him that he founded in 1103, the abbey of Whetford, in Norfolk, and that he was buried there at his decease in four years after, leaving, by Adeliza his wife, dau. and co-heir of Hugh de Grentesmesnil, high steward of England, a son and heir, William Bigod, steward of the household of King Henry I. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 53, Bigod, Earls of Norfolk]
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Roger Bigod was one of the tight-knit group of second-rank Norman nobles who did well out of the conquest of England. Prominent in the Calvados region before 1064 as an under-tenant of Odo of Bayeux, he rose in ducal and royal service to become, but 1086, one of the leading barons in East Anglia, holding wide estates to which he added Belvoir by marriage and Framlingham by grant of Henry I. His territorial fortune was based on his service in the royal household, where he was a close adviser and agent for the first three Norman kings, and the propitious circumstances of post-Conquest politics. Much of his honour in East Anglia was carved out of lands previously belonging to the dispossessed Archbishop Stigand, his brother Aethelmar of Elham, and the disgraced Earl Ralph of Norfolk and Suffolk. Under Rufus --- if not before --- Roger was one of the king's stewards. Usually in attendance on the king, he regularly witnessed writs but was also sent out to the provinces as a justice or commissioner. Apart from a flirtation with the cause of Robert Curthose in 1088, he remained conspicuously loyal to Rufus and Henry I, for whom he continued to act as steward and to witness charters. The adherence of such men was vital to the Norman kings. Through them central business could be conducted and localities controlled. Small wonder they were well rewarded. Roger established a dynasty which dominated East Anglia from the 1140s, as earls of Norfolk, until 1306. Roger's byname and the subsequent family name was derived from a word (bigot) meaning double-headed instrument such as a pickaxe: a tribute, perhaps to Roger's effectiveness as a royal servant; certainly an apt image of one who worked hard both for his masters and for himself. [Who's Who in Early Medieval England, Christopher Tyerman, Shepheard-Walwyn, Ltd., London, 1996]
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The following information was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
born ca 1060 St. Saveur (sic), Normandy [Ref: McBride] father: possibly Robert le Bigot, but seems unlikely on chronological grounds [Ref: CP IX:575], Robert le Bigot [Ref: Wurts p422] Parentage not certainly known [Ref: CP IX:575] Descended from Sveide The Viking, a Norse King who died 760 [Ref: Holloway p4]
Research note 1: McBride2 citing Burke's p53 indicates his parents were Wigot de St. Denis & a sister of Turstin Goz:
"According to Wace, the Bigot family originated in Maletot, near Caen, Canon (chanon) in the arrondissement of Lisieux and either Les Loges, near Aunay, or another commune of the same name, near Falaise. The original name of the family was Wiggott, Wigott, Bygod. The family of Bigot or Wigot, was descended from Wigort de St. Denis, one of the great nobles of Normandy, who made grants to Cerisy abbey in 1042, and in 1050 witnessed a charter of Duke William at the head of the Norman barons. He married*, father of Richard d'Avranches, by whom his younger son, Roger Wigot or Bigot, was ingratiated into the good graces of Duke William of Normandy." (* Note: part of the citation seems to be missing. Since McBride did not indicate which publication of Burke’s he used, I am unable to look this up & complete the citation. But since Burke's is not considered reliable, especially about origins of lineages, what’s the point...Curt)
Research note 2: He was the son of Roger/Robert Bigod and .... Saint Saveur. [Ref: Utz 10 Jan 1999]
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died: 8 oder 15.IX 1107 (8 or 15 Sep 1107) [Ref: ES III:705] Sep 8 or 15 1107 [Ref: CP IX:577] Sep 15 1107 [Ref: Watney #109] Sep 8 1100 [Ref: Holloway p4] 1107 [Ref: DNBiography II:484, Keats-Rohan Belvoir p3, McBride2 citing Burke's p53], place: Earsham, Norfolk [Ref: CP IX:577, ES III:705]
Jim pls note: Earsham, Norfolk not Evesham, Suffolk… Curt)
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Buried: Abbey of Whetford, Norfolk, England [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p53, Wurts p42] Norwich Cathedral, Norwich (Norfk) [Ref: CP, ES] Research note: is the Abbey of Whetford in the Norwich Cathedral or are they separate places? Also Keats-Rohan calls it "priory of St. Mary at Thetford" ...Curt
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m1 Adeliza Grantmesnil names: [Ref: Holloway p14, McBride2 citing Burke's p53] Roger BIGOD & Adelaide (NN) [Ref: CP IX:577]
Research note: ...known marriage before ca 1090, and that was to a woman named Adelais who was perhaps the same as his "second" wife Adela de Tosny. If they were two different women, there is no firm evidence I'm aware of to ascribe the first to the Grandmesnil family. [Ref: Peter Stewart 17 Jun 2001]
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m2 Adeliza (Alice?) de Toeni [Ref: CP IX:577, Watney #109, Weis MC5 155:1]
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1086: held 6 lordships in Essex and 117 in Suffolk [Ref: Watney #109]
Sheriff of Suffolk, founder the Priory of Thetford [Ref: Holloway p4]
Sheriff of Norfolk & Suffolk [Ref: CP]
1103: founded the Abbey of Thetford in Norfolk [Ref: CP IX p577, Wurts p42] in lieu (it is said) of making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land, and before it was finished granted it to Cluny [Ref: CP IX:577]
of Earsham, Suffolk (held of Bishop Stigand), ca 1071; sheriff of Norfolk and possibly Suffolk, at time of Domesday Book, 1086 [Ref: John P. Ravilious 14 Aug 2003]
Possessed six lordships in Essex and 117 in Suffolk beside many manors in Norfolk. In 1103 he founded the Abbey of Whetford in Norfolk and was buried there four years later. [Ref: Utz 10 Jan 1999]
Roger Bigot, also called Roger the Sheriff. From Les Loges, Calvados. Daughter married Robert of Stafford. Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk in 1086. Ancestor of Bigot family, the earls of Norfolk. Large holdings in Essex, Norfolk and Suffolk. [Ref: Domesday Online] Note: I find no other source stating a dau married Robert of Stafford. His dau Gunnora m1 Robert fitzSuain/Sweyn de Essex, but was he "of Stafford"?... Curt
...Roger Bigod, born before 1050, seigneur of Les Loges & Savenay, sheriff of Norfolk 1081-7 & 1092-1107, steward of the royal household 1092, lord of Framlingham, who died at Earsham, Suffolk 8/15 September 1107. [Ref: Peter Stewart 17 Jun 2001]
Roger Bigod is not traced in the English records before 1079, but by this time he may have been endowed with the forfeited estates of Ralph de Gauder, earl of Norlfolk, whose downfall took place in 1074. In Doomsday he appears as holding six lordships in Essex, and 117 in Suffolk. From Henry I he received the gift of Framlingham, which became the principal stronghold of him and his descendants. He likewise held the office of king's dapifer, or steward, under William Rufus and Henry I. He died in 1107, and was succeeded by his eldest son, William who, however, was drowned in the wreck of the White ship. [Ref: DNBiography II:484]
Roger Bigod was present at Senlac and received large grants for his services at the Conquest, comprising one hundred and twenty three (123) manors in Essex and Suffolk, only six being in the latter county, besides divers manors in Norfolk. Roger adhering to the party that took up arms against William Rufus, in the first year of that monarch's reign, fortified the castle at Norwich, and wasted the country around. At the accession of King Henry I. being a witness of the king's laws, and staunch in his interests, he obtained Framlingham in Suffolk, as a gift from the crown. He must have been a young man at that time, as he did not die until 1107, when he was buried in the Abbey of Whetford in Norfolk, which he had founded in 1103. Roger married Adeliza Grantesmesnil (sic), daughter and co-heir of Hugh de Grantesmesnil, High Steward of England. He and his wife had seven children [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p53] - Note: McBride citing Burke's does not show a second marriage & indicates the mother of all of Roger's children was Adeliza Grantmesnil ...Curt
Roger Bigod tenant-in-chief in Norfolk, holding the manor of Thetford in demesne.
… founded the priory of St. Mary at Thetford
Seigneur of Les Loges and Savenay in Normandy, dépt.. Calvados, under the bishop of Bayeux (Red Book 646), Sheriff of Norfolk for most of William 1's reign, and from 1100 until his death in 1107; during the 1070s and 1080s alternated with Robert Malet as sheriff of Suffolk. Father of William (d. 1120) by his first wife. His second wife, mother of his heir Hugh, was Alice daughter and eventual coheiress of Robert de Tosny of Belvoir. His brother William is mentioned in Domesday Book; he was probably also a brother of Hugh Bigot, who occurs in DB Suffolk. His sister Matilda was married to his tenant Hugh de Hosdenc (q.v.). He was doubtless also related to Earl Hugh of Chester's tenant Bigot of Loges, and to Robert Bigot, son of Norman, lord of Pirou and Cerisy in the Cotentin, benefactor in the 1090s of Sées (Arch. Orne 62b-63 no. cxxxix). This Robert, husband of Emma and father of Richard and Robert, was perhaps the same as the Robert Bigot, kinsman of Richard of Avranches (father of Earl Hugh), mentioned by Ord. Vit. in his interpolations of William of Jumiéges ed. van Houts, ii 126-7). Roger founded the priory of the EVM at Thetford, 1103-4; colonized by monks from the Warenne foundation at Lewes, it was a dependency of Cluny. He died in 1107. [Ref: http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/dbase.stm]
Research notes re: who was the mother of Roger's children:
It is probable that Roger was married only once, although he is usually credited with two wives of the same name on the inconclusive evidence of a pro anama clause in a charter of his son William.[11] Roger and his wife Adelisa gave charter for Rochester priory which referred to their sons and daughters and was attested by their children William, Humphrey, Gunnor and Matilda.[12] This charter tellingly refers to King Henry, making it highly unlikely that Roger acquired a second wife and second family before his death in 1107.
[11] Mon. Ang. iii, 330-1.
[12] BL Cotton Domitian A x, fol. 201v-2r. [Ref: PROSOPON 9 Belvoir: The Heirs of Robert and Berengar de Tosny by K.S.B. Keats-Rohan http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/PRSPN9.stm]
On 2 Dec 1997, Todd A. Farmerie <[email protected]> wrote an article on the subject "Aubigny," in which he states that Maud and Cecily Bigod were full sisters, but daughters of Roger Bigod's first wife, Adelaide, not daughters of Alice de Todeni. The reference which Todd gives which is most pertinent to this identification of parentage, I take it, is to Andrew Wareham, "The motives and politics of the Bigod family, c. 1066-1177," Anglo-Norman Studies XVII: Proceedings of the Battle Conference, 1994, pp. 223-242.
Wareham does indeed, first on a charted family tree on p. 230, clearly assign all three daughters, Gunner, Cecily, and Matilda to Adelaide, the first wife of Roger Bigod. He thereafter refers to these three sisters as step-daughters of Alice de Tosny, or as half-sisters of Hugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.
Although his essay densely cites primary or near-primary sources, Wareham does not explicitly point out any document which would confirm his assignment of parentage. It is as though his family tree were the "received wisdom." Indeed one finds no clue, when reading his essay, that anyone had ever thought that Cecily Bigod, for example, was a daughter of Alice de Tosny. None of the sources which I quoted above are referred to.
On p. 231 Wareham says: ". . .By 1130 Roger's widow Alice de Tosny still owed a relief of [pounds] 198 for the inheritance of her father's estates, but the Tosny fees in Leicester [presumably Belvoir] which formed the dowry of Alice's step-daughter Cecily Bigod were under the control of the latter's husband, William d'Albini Brito.. . . ." Wareham argues that King Henry I effectively disinherited Alice de Tosny after Roger Bigod's death and before his children came of age, but, perhaps because he did not consider it problematical, he does not make it clear in the text that his sources specify that Cecily was a step-daughter rather than a full daughter. The parentage of these Bigod sisters is not, of course, the primary topic of Wareham's essay.
On page 234 Wareham says: "Hugh Bigod's loss of ten knights fees to the husband of his half-sister may have cut very deep, and the only record of a gift passing the other way was that of three hides and forty acres which William I d'Albini granted to Thetford Priory. This was barely a token in comparison to Matilda Bigod's dowry.[69] In nine (sic: none?) of Hugh Bigod's charters does he make provision for the souls of his half-sisters and their descendants, but a charter drawn up for William I d'Albini records how at the death of Matilda Bigod her husband was weeping and bewailing his loss.[70] . . ."
Footnote 69 reads: "Monasticon v. 142."
Footnote 70 reads: "BL ms Landsdowne 229 fo. 148, Vitelius F iv, fos 159v and 176 (Bigod); and BL ms Titus C viii, fos 18-18b (d'Albini)." [Ref: Utz 10 Jan 1999]
<TAF peviously said "No. While genealogists are continually trying to unite the two lines, the two families appear to be entirely unrelated . . ." He goes on to say that "William I d'Aubigny of Arundel and William I d'Aubigny Brito married half-sisters, daughters of Roger Bigod by different mothers.">
It is now thought that Roger Bigod had just one wife, Adelaide de Todeny, and she was mother of both Maud, wife of William d'Aubigny Pincerna, and Cecily, wife of William d'Aubigny Brito. [Ref: TAF 31 Oct 2002]
Sorry for the length of this. Perhaps it should be cut to the most salient genealogical data/conclusions only, but I like to keep the background arguments in my database to see why I chose the data I chose, especially when it differs from previously accepted pedigrees in major sources.
Regards,
Curt
Roger married Adeliza (Alice) De TOENI Heiress Of Belvoir 1927 about 1084 in Only Wife 1925.,1926 Adeliza was born about 1070 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1130 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England 1585. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliz De TODENI.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Maud BIGOD was born about 1088 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England and died before 1136. Another name for Maud was Maud BIGOT.
ii. Cecily BIGOD Heiress Of Belvoir was born about 1090 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England. Another name for Cecily was Cecily De BELVOIR.
iv. Gunnor BIGOD was born about 1096 in Norfolk, England.
v. Jane BIGOD was born about 1105 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England.
16088728241. Adeliza (Alice) De TOENI Heiress Of Belvoir,415,1927 daughter of Robert De TOENI Lord Of Belvoir and Adeliza Di SAVONA, was born about 1070 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1130 in Belvoir Castle, Leicestershire, England 1585. Another name for Adeliza was Adeliz De TODENI.
Adeliza married Roger BIGOD Earl Of East Anglia 1336,1923 about 1084 in Only Wife 1925.,1926 Roger was born about 1065 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France 1924 and died on 8 September 1107 in Earsham, Depwade, Suffolk, England. 1585 about age 42. Another name for Roger was Roger BIGOT Earl Of East Anglia.
16088728242. Aubrey II De VERE Sheriff Of London,415,741,899,1918,1928 son of Aubrey I De VERE Sheriff Of Berkshire and Beatrice, was born before 1090 of Great Addington & Drayton, Northamptonshire, England,1917,1918,1929 died on 15 May 1141 in Slain In A Riot In London, Middlesex, England 741,1917,1918, and was buried in Colne Priory, Earls Colne, Essex, England.741
General Notes: Alberic de Vere; described as King's Chamberlain by 1112; Sheriff of London and Middlesex 1121 or 1122, Jt Sheriff 1125, often Sheriff Essex, Jt Sheriff Beds, Bucks, Cambs, Hunts, Norfolk, Suffolk, and Surrey 1129 and Essex, Herts, Leics, and Northants 1139; married Alice, daughter of Gilbert FitzRichard, Lord of Clare and Tunbridge, and sister of Gilbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke, and was killed in a riot in London 15 May 1141. [Burke's Peerage]
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AUBREY DF VERE II, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir, born probably before 1090, assented to his parents' gift of the church of Kensington to Abingdon, and as their heir approved of the foundation of Colne Priory. Before the death of Gunter, Abbot of Thorney, in 1112 he acknowledged by charter, as Aubrey the King's Chamberlain, that he held Twywell (Notthants) of Thorney. He also held Great Addington and Drayton, in chief, and other small properties in Northants. On the death of his youngest brother William, he gave two ploughlands to Abingdon Abbey. As Aubrey de Vere, the King's Chamberlain, he confirmed the gifts of his father and mother and of his men, and his father's gifts of certain tithes, to Colne Priory. He begins to attest 1121. He was sheriff of London and Middlesex in 1121 or 1122 and joint sheriff in 1125; and sheriff of Essex in various years. He was joint sheriff, with Richard Basset, of Surrey, Cambridge, Hunts, Norfolk, Suffolk, Bucks, and Beds from Michaelmas 1129, and of Essex, Herts, Leicester, and Northants from Easter 1130. He was at the Council of Northampton in 1131. He was a justice in Norfolk, at one time with Robert FitzWalter, at another with Richard Basset. In July 1133, at Fareham, the King granted to Aubrey de Vere and his heirs his (the King's) Master Chamberlainship of all England, in fee and inheritance. Aubrey was with the King at Westbourne, when Henry left England for the last time on 2 August 1133, and probably crossed the Channel with him; for he attested 2 writs issued at Dieppe and 3 other acts at Falaise. He was with Stephen in 1136 at Westminster (Easter) and at Winchestcr; in 1136 or early in 1137 at Clarendon; in 1137 at Westminstcr, and at Portsmouth when Stephen was about to cross the Channel in March, and after his return in December at Marlborough. He also attested various royal acts of doubtful date, and other charters. At the end of August 1139, when the Synod at Winchester summoned Stephen to account for his arrest of the Bishops in June, the King sent Aubrey, as a man practised in legal cases, to give them his answer; and Aubrey spoke up boldly for his royal client. According to his son, he was Chief Justiciar of England. He founded a priory at Hatfield Broadoak, Essex, as a cell of St. Melaine of Rennes, and was a benefactor to Colne Priory and Colchester Abbey.
He married Alice, daughter of Gilbert FlTZRICHARD, Lord of Clare and Tunbridge, sister of Richard FITZGILBERT and of Gilbert, 1st EARL OF PEMBROKE, and aunt of Gilbert and Roger, 1st and 2nd Earls of Hertford. He was slain in a riot in London, 15 May 1141, and was buried in Colne Priory. His wife survived him. 22 years, and became a nun at St. Osyth's Priory. [Complete Peerage X:195-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Aubrey married Alice De CLARE 899,1918,1928 about 1108 in Suffolk, England. Alice was born about 1093 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England and died about 1163 in St. Osyth's Priory, Essex, England (As A Nun) 1917,1918 about age 70.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Aubrey III De VERE 1st Earl Of Oxford was born about 1110 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England,1930,1931 died on 26 December 1194 in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England 1930 about age 84, and was buried in Earls Colne Priory, Halstead, Essex, England. Another name for Aubrey was 01st Earl Of OXFORD Aubrey De Vere.
ii. Rohese De VERE was born about 1115 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England and died on 21 October 1166 in Chicksands Priory, Bedfordshire, England 1932 about age 51.
8044364121 iii. Juliana De VERE (born in 1116 in Hedingham, Essex, England - died after 1185)
iv. Robert De VERE Lord Of Twywell was born in 1124 in Addington, Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England and died on 26 December 1194 in Twywell, Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England at age 70.
v. Alice De VERE Heiress Of Ugley was born about 1125 in Ugley, Bishop's Stortford, Essex, England 1933 and died after 1185 in Walden Abbey, Saffron Walden, Essex, England 1633,1801. Another name for Alice was Alice Of ESSEX.
vi. Adeliza De VERE was born about 1126 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England.
vii. Geoffrey De VERE Lord Of Clun was born about 1130 in Addington, Northamptonshire, England and died in 1170 in Clun, Shropshire, England 1338 about age 40.
16088728243. Alice De CLARE,415,899,1918,1928 daughter of Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT, was born about 1093 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England and died about 1163 in St. Osyth's Priory, Essex, England (As A Nun) 1917,1918 about age 70.
General Notes: Alice, daughter of Gilbert FitzRichard, Lord of Clare and Tunbridge, and sister of Gilbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke. [Burke's Peerage]
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He [Aubrey de Vere] married Alice, daughter of Gilbert FlTZRICHARD, Lord of Clare and Tunbridge, sister of Richard FITZGILBERT and of Gilbert, 1st EARL OF PEMBROKE, and aunt of Gilbert and Roger, 1st and 2nd Earls of Hertford. He was slain in a riot in London, 15 May 1141, and was buried in Colne Priory. His wife survived him. 22 years, and became a nun at St. Osyth's Priory. [Complete Peerage X:195-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Alice married Aubrey II De VERE Sheriff Of London 741,899,1918,1928 about 1108 in Suffolk, England. Aubrey was born before 1090 of Great Addington & Drayton, Northamptonshire, England,1917,1918,1929 died on 15 May 1141 in Slain In A Riot In London, Middlesex, England 741,1917,1918, and was buried in Colne Priory, Earls Colne, Essex, England.741
16088728252. Gilbert De CLARE 1st Earl Of Pembroke,415,1636,1755 son of Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT, was born on 21 September 1100 in Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England, died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1755 at age 46, and was buried in Tintern Abbey, Chapel Hill, Monmouthsire, England. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert De Clare Earl Of PEMBROKE.
General Notes: Earldom of Pembroke: Those who were created Earls of Pembroke before the rise of the Herberts from the 15th century on were predominantly close relatives of the reigning mocharch. This was not so in the first and historically most important case, however, Gilbert Fitz Gilbert or de Clare was made Earl of Pembroke in 1138 by King Stephen, his elder brother Richard Fitz Gilbert or de Clare being father of the Alice/Adelaide who married William de Percy. In the period of unrest and indecisive civil war known as the Anarchy, when followers of Stephen, Henry I's nephew, struggled with the Empress Maud, Henry I's daughter, Gilbert Earl of Pembroke sided with each one. He already held Chepstow, on the Welsh-English borders. In 1144 he pushed far into South Wales and established himself at Carmarthen. [Burke's Peerage]
Gilbert married Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT 1601,1754,1755 before 1130 in Tunbridge, Kent, England 389,390,874,875,1754.,1934 Isabel was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
The child from this marriage was:
16088728253. Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT,415,505,670,874,875,1601,1746,1754,1755,1934 daughter of Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester and Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
Isabel married Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND 1598,1600,1601,1602 in No Marriage.1754 Henry was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
Isabel next married Gilbert De CLARE 1st Earl Of Pembroke 1636,1755 before 1130 in Tunbridge, Kent, England 389,390,874,875,1754.,1934 Gilbert was born on 21 September 1100 in Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England, died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1755 at age 46, and was buried in Tintern Abbey, Chapel Hill, Monmouthsire, England. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert De Clare Earl Of PEMBROKE.
16088728254. Diarmait Macmurchada King Of LEINSTER,415,854,1635 son of Donnchadh Macmurchada King Of DUBLIN and Orlaith MAC BRANAIN, was born in 1100 in Leinster, Ireland 1935 and died from 1 January 1170 to 1171 in Ferns, Leinster, Ireland 1935 at age 70. Another name for Diarmait was Dermot MACMURROUGH King Of Leinster.
General Notes: He asked Richard Strongbow de Clare (and others including William Gerard, etc) to help him in Ireland. That was the beginning of the Norman Conquest of Ireland.
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1135-1171.
Diarmait married Cacht O'MOORE. Cacht was born about 1135 in Leinster, Ireland.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Urlachen MAC MURROUGH was born about 1154 in Leinster, Ireland.
Diarmait next married More O'TOOLE 1935 about 1140 in Locar, Wexf, Leinster, Ireland. More was born in 1114 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1191 at age 77.
The child from this marriage was:
8044364127 i. Eve (Aoife) MACMURROUGH (born about 1141 in Ireland - died after 1186 in Waterford, Ireland)
16088728255. More O'TOOLE,415,1935 daughter of Muirchertach Ua Tuathail O'TOOLE and Inghin O'BYRNE, was born in 1114 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1191 at age 77.
More married Diarmait Macmurchada King Of LEINSTER 854,1635 about 1140 in Locar, Wexf, Leinster, Ireland. Diarmait was born in 1100 in Leinster, Ireland 1935 and died from 1 January 1170 to 1171 in Ferns, Leinster, Ireland 1935 at age 70. Another name for Diarmait was Dermot MACMURROUGH King Of Leinster.
16088728272. Humphrey III Baron De BOHUN Of Trowbridge 415,1936 was born in 1109 in Trowbridge, Melksham, Wiltshire, England,1568 died on 6 April 1187 1568 at age 78, and was buried in Llanthony-By-Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
General Notes: Humphrey de Bohun was steward and sewer to King Henry I. This feudal lord m. Margery, dau. of Milo de Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, Lord High Constable of England, and sister and co-heiress of Mable, last Earl of Hereford of that family. At the instigation of which Milo, he espoused the cause of the Empress Maud (Matilda) and her son against King Stephen, and so faithfully maintained his allegiance that the empress, by her especial charter, granted him the office of steward and sewer, both in Normandy and England. In the 20th Henry II, this Humphrey accompanied Richard de Lacy (justice of England) into Scotland with a powerful army to waste that country; and was one of the witnesses to the accord made by William, King of Scots, and King Henry as to the subjection of that kingdom to the crown of England. He d. 6 April 1187, and was survived by his son, Henry de Bohun, 1st Earl of Hereford. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 57, Bohun, Earls of Hereford, Earls of Essex, Earls of Northampton, and High Constables of England]
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The following was supplied in an e-mail to me by Lora Cline, which seems to have been copied from a Rand Corp. employee's genealogy website:
Les Seigneurs de Bohon
(The Noblemen of Bohun)
The following material is excerpted from Les Seigneurs de Bohon by Jean LeMelletier, Coutances: Arnaud-Bellee, 1978. This was translated from French to English by a friend. The book was found at UCLA's Research Library as CS 439 D416L45 1978.
Humphrey III
Humphrey III, lord of Trowbridge and constable of England, was very close to Henry I and later Henry II. He assisted Empress Mathilda against King Stephen.
Born in 1109, Humphrey died 6 April 1187. He married Margery (Marguerite, Margaret), eldest daughter of Milo of Gloucester from whom he received the heriditary right to the title of constable of England.
Milo of Gloucester (Milon, Miles Fitz Walter) inherited the title of constable of England and later that of earl of Hereford. He was the grandson of Roger de Pitres, contemporary of William the Conqueror and sheriff of Gloucester, and the son of Walter (Gautier), constable of Henry I.
Milo possessed a considerable honor from the inheritance of his father's lands in Gloucestershire and his marriage in 1121 to Sybyl, sole heiress of Bernard de Newmarch (he conquered the ancient kingdom of Brychan in Breconshire, Wales, including Talgarth, Chatellenie de Hay, Ystradvy forest, and the mini-kingdom of Brecon or Brecknock, and died in 1125. Empress Mathilda gave Bernard Abergavenny castle and St. Briavel castle.) Milo became earl of Hereford in 1141. His family should not be confused with the earls of Gloucester.
Milo died of a hunting accident on 25 December 1143, leaving four sons: Roger, who died childless in 1155; Walter, Henry, and Mahel, who all died childless before 1166. His inheritance was split among his daughters: Margery; Bertha, who married Philip de Brause; and Lucy.
Humphrey III was steward and chancellor to Henry I, perhaps following his father. He shared this post with Hugh Bigot/Bigod, Robert Haye, and Simon de Beauchamp. Sometimes he is confused with his father.
We can follow Humphrey III in the entourage of King Henry I by the documents he signed at Arques and Dieppe (1131), various English towns (1131-1133), in Normandy at Rouen (1133 & 1134), and at Argentan (about the same time).
When Steven of Blois, earl of Mortain, grandson of William the Conqueror and Adele, was crowned king of England after Henry I died (1135), Humphrey kept his duties as steward presiding over charters. Two were written at Evreux in 1137. One concerned infractions against God; the other gave land in Bramford (Suffolk) to St. Mary d'Evreux. In 1139 Empress Mathilda arrived in Sussex with her her half-brother, Robert of Gloucester, to reclaim the inheritance of his father. Humphrey, at the instigation of his father-in-law, Milo de Gloucester, rallied with Mathilda and defended Trowbridge against King Steven.
During the troublesome years of the anarchy that followed, Humphrey passionately fought with Mathilda's loyal and true followers. He witnessed Milo being named earl of Hereford in recognition of his (Milo's) services on 25 July 1141.
Humphrey's signature is found on several documents in many English villages.
After initial success, the Battle of Winchester (1141) marked a turnaround and Humphrey was taken prisoner.
In 1143 in Devizes (Wiltshire), Mathilda reinstated possession of lands and the office of chancellor of England to Henry in a written document. She also gave him new wealth and land: Melchesam, Boczam, Malmesbury, and Stokes-Wiltshire. (Humphrey had been relieved of his duties after the reign of Henry I.)
Humphrey signed a document of Prince Henry in 1149/1150 at Devizes and another in 1150/1151 at Argentan.
In 1150 Trowbridge Castle was taken by Stephen.
When the abbey church of Montebourg was dedicated in 1152, Humphrey consented to the gift of the church of St. Gregoire de Catz by Ildebert de Catz and Steven de Magneville.
After the death of his father, Geoffrey Plantagenet (1153), Henry was in England leading the army. Henry made an agreement with Stephen when Eustache, Stephen's son, died, whereby Henry would succeed him to the throne when he died (the next year). Henry II then confirmed Humphrey's inheritances in England and Normandy and his titles.
Because of his role as lord chancellor and his signatures on numerous documents, we are able to account for Humphrey's whereabouts. He was in England with the king (1153-1154); in Normandy (1156) at Argentan, Falaise, and Quevilly (1174); with his peers in Chinon (1170-1173); back in England (between 1174-1179); and again in Normandy at Valognes, Cherbourg, and Bonneville-sur-Touques (1180 & 1182).
In January 1164 Humphrey was one of the barons summoned to the Council of Clarendon where the constitutions were drawn up.
In April 1173 when Prince Henry rebelled against his father, King Henry II, Humphrey stood by the king. With Richard de Lucy he invaded Scotland in an attack against King William the Lion who supported Prince Henry and the destruction of the bishop's palace at Durham. Humphrey and company burned Berwick and penetrated deeply into Scotland. But when they learned of the landing of Robert de Beaumont (earl of Leicester and friend of Prince Henry) in Suffolk (29 September 1173), they made a truce with William the Lion and marched against Beaumont. Humphrey battled with the help of the peasants and was taken prisoner with his wife at Fornham St. Geneviere near Bury St. Edmond (Suffolk) on 16 October 1173. The prisoners were taken to Falaise castle.
The 1st of December 1174/5 in Falaise, Humphrey witnessed a peace accord between Henry II and William the Lion recognizing the sovereigncy of England over Scotland.
Humphrey's fortune considerably increased with the death of his father- in-law, Milo of Gloucester, who without male heirs left a third of his wealth to each daughter. Humphrey also inherited the position of constable of England that was held by his father-in-law. In 1166 Humphrey inherited 3 1/2 parts of a knight's fees (rent) from his grandfather's provinces and 9 1/2 parts "de novo." His wife received 17 parts from Milo's provinces and 3 3/4 parts of her brothers' land.
He kept in Normandy a part of the inheritance from Humphrey I, particulary land at Carentan and Pont D'Ouve. A document confirmed the gifts of his ancestors and the men of the Bohon priory. Among the witnesses of this act were Enjuger de Bohon, Robert of Bohon priory, duchess Margaret, and Henry de Bohon.
A letter from Humphrey de Bohon to the men of Normandy and England stated that Humphrey and his son gave to the Blanchelande Abbey the title of Moulin de Biard with Pont D'Ouve.
In 1181 with Alexander de Bohon he witnessed the foundation of Barbery Abbey.
Across the Channel Humphrey founded the priory of Monkton Farley (Wiltshire) with his wife, supported by the Lewes Abbey. Near the beautiful forests and streams in England, his rich endowment provided them with a large yearly income. Among the benefactors associated with this foundation are Mathilda de Bohon (his mother), Ildebert de Catz (Chaz), Robert de Carentan, and his vassals; among the witnesses were William de Beuzeville and Humphrey de St. Vigor.
Humphrey died 6 April 1187. He was buried at the Lanthony Abbey (Gloucestershire) founded by his father-in-law.
He had a son, Humphrey IV, and a daughter Margaret, first wife of Waleran, earl of Warwick.
Humphrey married Margaret De GLOUCESTER 1330,1568,1936 about 1140 in Gloucestershire, England. Margaret was born in 1126 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died on 6 April 1187 1937 at age 61, and was buried in Llanthony-By-Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Margaret was Margaret Of HEREFORD.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Maud De BOHUN was born about 1141 in Trowbridge, Melksham, Wiltshire, England and died after 1200 in Swerford, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, England 767,773.
8044364136 ii. Humphrey IV "The Young" De BOHUN (born in 1143 in Trowbridge, Melksham, Wiltshire, England - died in 1182)
iii. Margery De BOHUN was born about 1153 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England and died before 1196 1298.
16088728273. Margaret De GLOUCESTER,415,1330,1568,1936 daughter of Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford and Sybil De NEUFMARCHE, was born in 1126 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, died on 6 April 1187 1937 at age 61, and was buried in Llanthony-By-Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Margaret was Margaret Of HEREFORD.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1146. 1936
Margaret married Humphrey III Baron De BOHUN Of Trowbridge 1936 about 1140 in Gloucestershire, England. Humphrey was born in 1109 in Trowbridge, Melksham, Wiltshire, England,1568 died on 6 April 1187 1568 at age 78, and was buried in Llanthony-By-Gloucester Priory, Gloucestershire, England.
16088728274. Henry Earl Of HUNTINGDON Prince Of Scotland,415,505,670,903,1411,1416,1419,1938 son of David I "The Saint" King Of SCOTLAND King Of Scotland and Matilda De HUNTINGDON, was born in 1114 in Scotland 1415 and died on 12 June 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1411,1415,1416,1419 at age 38. Another name for Henry was Henry Prince Of SCOTLAND Earl Of Huntingdon.
General Notes: on the history of the Earldom of Huntingdon:
After Earl Simon's [Matilda's 1st husband] death, his Widow married David I of Scotland, who consequently became Earl of Huntingdon too, keeping the Earldom even after he succeeded his brother as King of Scots. He sided with the Empress Maud against Stephen I but came to terms with the latter and made the Earldom over to his son Henry. Henry swore fealty to Stephen but subsequently fought against him under the Scottish banner, which may account for Simon de St Liz's son, another Simon, being recognized as Earl of Huntingdon before Henry's death in 1152. [Burke's Peerage]
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Henry, son of the said David, King of Scotland, on condition of swearing allegiance to Stephen, had the Earldom and honour of Huntingdon, with the borough of Doncaster and Carlisle as an augmentation thereto. He was in such high estimation with King Stephen that, upon that monarch's solemn celebration of the feast of Easter, he placed the Earl of Huntingdon on his right hand, which gave such displeasure to the nobility then present that William Corbois, or Corbel, Archbishop of Canterbury, Ranulph, Earl of Chester, and several others withdrew from court. He m. Ada, sister of William, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey, and had issue, Malcolm and William, successively Kings of Scotland, David, Ada, m. to Floris, Earl of Holland, and Margaret, m. to Conan le Petit, Earl of Brittany. The earl d. in 1153, a little before his father, and, upon his decease, Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Northampton, was restored to the Earldom of Huntingdon. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 468, St. Liz, Earls of Huntingdon]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1110. 1416
Henry married Ada De WARENNE 1416,1419,1939 in 1139.1415 Ada was born about 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England and died in 1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1416,1419 about age 56.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1134. 1416
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1134. 1416
Children from this marriage were:
i. Aufrica Of HUNTINGDON was born about 1140 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England.
ii. Malcolm IV "The Maiden" King Of SCOTLAND was born about 1141 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1940 and died on 9 December 1165 1940 about age 24.
iii. William "The Lion" King Of SCOTLAND was born in 1143 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1419 and died on 4 December 1214 in Stirling Castle, Stirlingshire, England 1941 at age 71.
v. David Earl Of HUNTINGDON was born in 1144 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1942 and died on 17 June 1219 in Yardley Hastings, Hardingstone, Northamptonshire, England 1942,1943 at age 75. Another name for David was David Of SCOTLAND Earl Of Huntingdon.
vi. Ada Of HUNTINGDON was born in 1146 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England and died after 1206 1944. Another name for Ada was Ada Of SCOTLAND.
vii. Marjory Of HUNTINGDON was born in 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England and died about 1213 about age 61.
16088728275. Ada De WARENNE,415,505,670,1416,1419,1939 daughter of William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey and Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England and died in 1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1416,1419 about age 56.
Ada married Henry Earl Of HUNTINGDON Prince Of Scotland 903,1411,1416,1419,1938 in 1139.1415 Henry was born in 1114 in Scotland 1415 and died on 12 June 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England 1411,1415,1416,1419 at age 38. Another name for Henry was Henry Prince Of SCOTLAND Earl Of Huntingdon.
16088728278. William II De SAY Of Sawbridgeworth,415,939,1945 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1133 in Saham, Norfolk, England and died before 1 August 1177 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England (Dspm) 940,1945.
General Notes: William, of Kimbolton, Hunts, and Saham, Norfolk; dspm just prior to 1 Aug 1177. [Burke's Peerage]
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WILLIAM DE SAY II, 1st son and heir, first appears as a party to the confirmation by his father of Hugh de Beauchamp's grant to St. Neot's, perhaps towards the end of 1144. Between 1150 and 1160 he entered into an agreement with the monks of Ramsey to grant them rents in Norfolk and elsewhere, his mother Beatrice assenting. He paid scutage in 1161-62 under Cambs and Hunts. In 1166 he returned his Carta under Hunts. He accounted in 1167-68 under Hunts for 34 s. in respect of the aid to marry the King's daughter, and, about 1175 was witness to a charter in favour of Buckland Priory. The name and parentage of his wife are unknown. He died s.p.m. shortly before 1 August 1177. [Complete Peerage XI:465, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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William d. v. p., leaving two daus., viz., Beatrix, who m. Geoffrey FitzPiers, and Maud, m. to William de Bocland. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 476, Saye, or Say, Barons Saye]
William married Aufrica Of HUNTINGDON. Aufrica was born about 1140 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Maud De SAY was born about 1155 in Kimbolton, Norfolk, England and died before 28 March 1222 940.
8044364139 ii. Beatrix De SAY (born about 1160 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England - died before 19 April 1197)
16088728279. Aufrica Of HUNTINGDON,415,505,670 daughter of Henry Earl Of HUNTINGDON Prince Of Scotland and Ada De WARENNE, was born about 1140 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England.
Aufrica married William II De SAY Of Sawbridgeworth 939.,1945 William was born about 1133 in Saham, Norfolk, England and died before 1 August 1177 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England (Dspm) 940,1945.
16088728280. Hugh VIII "Le Brun" Sire De LUSIGNAN,415,1333,1946,1947,1948 son of Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN and Sarazine (Saracena) Of ARMENIA, was born about 1118 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died about 1173 in Captivity (11 Apr 1169) While On Crusade In Syria 1947 about age 55.
Hugh married Bourgogne (Berbone) De RANCON 1333,1947,1948,1949 about 1140 in Fontenayl, France. Bourgogne was born in 1120 in Taillebourg, Charente-Maritime, Saintonge/Poitou-Charentes, France and died after 11 April 1169 1947.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Hugh Viii-1\2 "Died Young" De LUSIGNAN was born about 1141 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1947 and died before 11 April 1169 in (Dvp) 1947,1950.
ii. Amaury De LUSIGNAN King Of Cyprus was born about 1145 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France,1951 died on 1 April 1205 in St Jean, Acre, Palestine (Poisoned) 1946,1951 about age 60, and was buried in St Sophia, Nicosia, Cyprus.
8044364140 iii. Geoffrey De LUSIGNAN (born about 1150 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died in 1224)
16088728281. Bourgogne (Berbone) De RANCON,415,1333,1947,1948,1949 daughter of Geoffrey III De RANCON Seigneur Taillebourg and Amanjeu D' ALBRET, was born in 1120 in Taillebourg, Charente-Maritime, Saintonge/Poitou-Charentes, France and died after 11 April 1169 1947.
Bourgogne married Hugh VIII "Le Brun" Sire De LUSIGNAN 1333,1946,1947,1948 about 1140 in Fontenayl, France. Hugh was born about 1118 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died about 1173 in Captivity (11 Apr 1169) While On Crusade In Syria 1947 about age 55.
16088728282. Adhemir (Aymar) V Vicomte De LIMOGES,415,670 son of Adhemar (Aymar) IV Vicomte De LIMOGES and Marguerite De TURENNE, was born about 1135 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died before 1188.
Adhemir married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044364141 i. Umberge De LIMOGES (born about 1155 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France - died about 1187 in Jaffa, Holy Lands)
16088728286. Hamelin PLANTAGENET 5th Earl Of Surrey,415,505,642,670,968,1442,1804 son of Geoffrey V "Le Bon"The Fair PLANTAGENET Count Of Anjou And Maine and Adelaide Of ANGERS, was born about 1130 in Normandy, France,389,390,1440 died on 7 May 1202 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1011,1441,1442 about age 72, and was buried on 7 May 1202 in Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England.389,390 Other names for Hamelin were 05th Earl Of SURREY Hamel Plantagenet, and Hamelin De WARENNE 5th Earl Of Surrey.1443
General Notes:
Hamelin (bastard son of Geoffrey Plantagenet). [Magna Charta Sureties]
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EARLDOM OF SURREY (V) 1164
HAMELIN illegitimate son of GEOFFREY V, styled "PLANTAGENET," COUNT OF ANJOU, TOURAINE and MAINE, sometime DUKE OF NORMANDY, by an unknown woman, held lands in Touraine, presumably the gift of his half-brother Henry II, and appears to have been styled vicomte of Touraine. He became EARL OF SURREY in consequence of his marriage to the Countess Isabel in 1164; in which year he attended the Council of Northampton. In 1166 he returned his carta, as holding 60 knights' fees. He supported the King against his rebellious sons in 1173; and in 1176 he was one of the nobles who escorted Henry's daughter Joan for her marriage to the King of Sicily. He was present at the 1st Coronation of Richard I, 3 September 1189. In the King's absence he supported the Chancellor against John; in 1193 he was one of the Treasurers for the King's ransom; and in 1194 he was at the Council of Nottingham. At Richard's 2nd Coronation, 17 April 1194, he bore one of the 3 swords; and he was present at the Coronation of King John, 27 May 1199. He was a benefactor, or confirmed previous gifts, to the abbeys of St. Mary's (York), St. Victor-en-Caux, West Dereham and Foucarmont, the priories of Lewes, Nostell, St. Katherine (Lincoln), Southwark, Thetford and Castle Acre, the Hospitallers, and the chapel of St. Philip and St. James in Conisborough Castle. He married, in 1164 (probably in April), Isabel, widow of William (OF BLOIS) 4th EARL OF SURREY, and only daughter and heir of William (DE WARENNE), 3rd EARL OF SURREY, all above-named. He died 7 May 1202 and was buried in the Chapter House at Lewes. Isabel survived him and made gifts for the soul of her late husband to the priory of St. Katherine, Lincoln, and to Lewes Priory. She was living in April 1203 but died probably soon afterwards, possibly 12 July 1203, and was buried in the Chapter House at Lewes (g). [Complete Peerage XII/1:499-500, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(g) By her 2nd husband she had issue, a son William, 6th Earl, and 3 daughters: (1) Ela, who m. 1stly Robert de Newburn, of whom nothing is known, and 2ndly, William FitzWilliam of Sprotborough; (2) Isabel, who m. 1stly Robert de Lascy, and 2ndly Gilbert de Laigle, lord of Pevensey; (3) Maud, who m. 1stly Henry, Count of Eu and lord of Hastings, and 2ndly Henry d'Estouteville or de Stuteville, of Eckington, co. Derby, and Dedham, Essex, lord of Valmont and Rames in Normandy.
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Hameline Plantagenet, natural brother to King Henry II, likewise obtained, jure uxoris, the Earldom of Surrey, and assumed the surname and arms of de Warren. This nobleman bore one of the three swords at the second coronation of Richard I, and in the 6th of the same reign [1195], he was with that king in his army in Normandy. He d. 7 May, 1202, four years after the countess, having had issue, William, Adela, Maud, another dau. who m. Gilbert de Aquila, Isabel, and Margaret. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]
Noted events in his life were:
• Title: Earl of Surrey, , , Surrey, England. 390,417,642,1804
Hamelin married Isabel De WARENNE 4th Countess Of Surrey 968,1441,1806 in April 1164 in 2ND Husband 389,390,1017,1441,1804.,1805 Isabel was born about 1137 in Lewes, Sussex, England,389,390,971 died on 12 July 1203 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1017 about age 66, and was buried in Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England.389,390 Another name for Isabel was 04th Countess Of SURREY Isabel De Warenne.
Marriage Notes: Isabel's marriage to Hammelin was her 2nd Marriage.
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16088728287. Isabel De WARENNE 4th Countess Of Surrey,415,505,642,968,1441,1805,1806 daughter of William De WARENNE 3rd Earl Of Surrey and Ela De TALVAISE Countess Of Montreuil, was born about 1137 in Lewes, Sussex, England,389,390,971 died on 12 July 1203 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1017 about age 66, and was buried in Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England.389,390 Another name for Isabel was 04th Countess Of SURREY Isabel De Warenne.
General Notes:
He [William de Blois] married Isabel, only daughter and heir of William (DE WARENNE), 3rd EARL OF SURREY, by Ela. He died s.p. as above in October I 159 and was buried in the hospital of Montmorillon in Poitou. Isabel survived him and was sought in marriage by Henry Il's brother William, but Archbishop Beket opposed the match on the ground of consanguinity, and she married, 2ndly, the King's illegitimate half-brother, Hamelin. [Complete Peerage XII/1:497-9, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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He [Hamelin Plantagenet] married, in 1164 (probably in April), Isabel, widow of William (OF BLOIS) 4th EARL OF SURREY, and only daughter and heir of William (DE WARENNE), 3rd EARL OF SURREY, all above-named. He died 7 May 1202 and was buried in the Chapter House at Lewes. Isabel survived him and made gifts for the soul of her late husband to the priory of St. Katherine, Lincoln, and to Lewes Priory. She was living in April 1203 but died probably soon afterwards, possibly 12 July 1203, and was buried in the Chapter House at Lewes (g). [Complete Peerage XII/1:499-500, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(g) By her 2nd husband she had issue, a son William, 6th Earl, and 3 daughters: (1) Ela, who m. 1stly Robert de Newburn, of whom nothing is known, and 2ndly, William FitzWilliam of Sprotborough; (2) Isabel, who m. 1stly Robert de Lascy, and 2ndly Gilbert de Laigle, lord of Pevensey; (3) Maud, who m. 1stly Henry, Count of Eu and lord of Hastings, and 2ndly Henry d'Estouteville or de Stuteville, of Eckington, co. Derby, and Dedham, Essex, lord of Valmont and Rames in Normandy.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death Lewes, Sussex, England, 13 July 1199. 971,1011
Isabel married in 1153 in 1st Husband 389,390,642,1805.,1807
Isabel married Hamelin PLANTAGENET 5th Earl Of Surrey 968,1442 in April 1164 in 2ND Husband 389,390,1017,1441,1804.,1805 Hamelin was born about 1130 in Normandy, France,389,390,1440 died on 7 May 1202 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1011,1441,1442 about age 72, and was buried on 7 May 1202 in Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England.389,390 Other names for Hamelin were 05th Earl Of SURREY Hamel Plantagenet, and Hamelin De WARENNE 5th Earl Of Surrey.1443
Isabel next married William De BLOIS 4th Earl Of Surrey,1808 son of Stephen I De Blois King Of ENGLAND and Matilda Countess Of BOULOGNE, in 1st Husband.1807 William was born between 1132 and 1137 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1807 and died in October 1159 in Hospital Of Montmorillon, Poitou, France 1807 about age 26. Another name for William was 04th Earl Of SURREY William De Blois.
16088729284. Gilbert I De LACY Of Hereford,415,712,1952 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England and died after 1163 1648. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert De LACI.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1150. 712
Gilbert married Agnes. Agnes was born about 1100 in England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Eve De LACY was born in 1120 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England.
8044364642 ii. Hugh De LACY Lord Of Meath (born about 1125 in Ewias Lacy, Herefordshire, England - died on 25 July 1186 in Durrow, Ireland)
iii. Heloise De LACY Heiress Of Holme & Stoke Lacy was born about 1133 in Holme Lacy, Hereford, Herefordshire, England 1858 and died in Stoke Lacy, Bromyard, Herefordshire, England.
16088729285. Agnes 415 was born about 1100 in England.
Agnes married Gilbert I De LACY Of Hereford 712.,1952 Gilbert was born about 1100 in Hereford, Herefordshire, England and died after 1163 1648. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert De LACI.
16088729286. Baderon (Badeion) De MONMOUTH 415,1410,1953 was born in 1112 in Monmouthshire, Wales and died before 1176 1410.
General Notes: Thanks to Curt Hofemann for pointing out this post to SGM, 13 Aug 2002, by Christopher Nash:
From: Cristopher Nash ([email protected])
Subject: Baderon & Roese de Monmouth
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-08-13 18:21:53 PST
W E Wightman,The Lacy Family (1966), usually reasonable, gave Roese [often 'Rose'] de Monmouth, wife of Hugh II de Lacy, as widow of Baderon de Monmouth (e.g. p. 206, citing Gilbert, Reg. Abbey St. Thos., Dublin, pp 13, 420).
Keats-Rohan, citing Dugdale and H. Guillotel*, has Roese as the daughter of Baderon (s. of William fitz Baderon, s. of Baderon, s. of Caradoc de La Boussac [near Dol, Ille-et-Vilaine]) and as da. of Roesia de Clare; DD, 591-2. (The early generations of this sequence are generally accepted in Breton histories.) The latter affiliation matches that given by Altschul and others (incl Weis AR7), many of whom present Roese's mother as Rohese de Clare, da. of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare and Adeliza de Clermont.
Are we agreed that Wightman's positively in error? It would be good to know if anyone's seen the Reg. Abbey St. Thos., which Keats-Rohan and the others appear not to have consulted.
Cris
Baderon married Rohesia De CLARE 1410.,1953 Rohesia was born about 1110 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England and died in 1149 about age 39.
The child from this marriage was:
8044364643 i. Rohese (Rose) De MONMOUTH (born in 1142 in Monmouthshire, Wales - died before 1181)
16088729287. Rohesia De CLARE,415,1410,1953 daughter of Gilbert Fitzrichard De CLARE & Tonbridge, Sir and Adeliza (Adelaide) De CLERMONT, was born about 1110 in Clare, Risbridge, Suffolk, England and died in 1149 about age 39.
Rohesia married Baderon (Badeion) De MONMOUTH 1410.,1953 Baderon was born in 1112 in Monmouthshire, Wales and died before 1176 1410.
16088729296. Hervey WALTER Of Weeton,415,981,1651 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1097 in West Dereham, Downham, Norfolk, England and died in Weeton & Preese, Fylde, Lancashire, England.
General Notes: BUTLER FAMILY HISTORY
It is from acorns that great oak trees grow. So let us begin by looking at the seedling of the Butler family tree. It will be found in 12th century England. The paternal ancestry of the family is traceable in unbroken succession to a certain Hervey who was living about 1130. From the "Testa de Nevil", which was compiled a century later, we know Hervey had a son, Hervey Walter (which suggests a maternal connection with someone by the name of Walter) and a daughter Alice, to whom her father gave a dowry of about 400 acres in Lancashire. Harvey seems also to have had various estates in East Anglia. But the identity of his father, mother or wife has not yet been established. It has been suggested in "The Complete Peerage" that he may have married an aunt of Thomas Becket, with whose family the Butlers were reputedly connected.
Theobald Blake Butler, a leading authority on the history of the family, who died only this year [1965] and whose works are now available to scholars in the National Library, Dublin, the British Museum and the Irish Genealogical Research Society, laboriously traced back to Domesday the lands which this family subsequently held in East Anglia and Lancashire and discovered that at least nine of the sixteen or more holdings which our Hervey was believed to have owned in Norfolk and Suffolk were entered in Domesday Book under the ownership of Walter de Caen. The discovery led him to surmise that the paternal ancestor of the Butlers was Walter de Caen (son of William Malet who accompanied the Conqueror and, being half Saxon, was entrusted with the burial of King Harold after the Battle of Hastings). In his last years, however, Blake Butler was inclining to the view that Hervey in about 1130 may have acquired much of Walter de Caen's lands by marriage, which would make Hervey, not the son or grandson, but son-in-law of Walter de Caen. Further research on the point might prove rewarding, paricularly with reference to the most likely candidates of the name of Herve in 11th Century France and to the Hervey who was Becket's envoy at the Papal Court 1163 to 1166 when he died. The scattered Keurdon MSS are unlikely to carry the matter any further, though Carte did hint to the contrary; nor has the Buxton Collection of hundreds of unpublished medieval charters in Cambridge University Library helped on the point. But in Germany, the early archives of the Buttlar family certainly need appraisal. [Butler Family History]
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em, wrote:
from the 1911 version of the Encyclopedia Britannica:
BUTLER, the name of a family famous in the history of Ireland. The great house of the Butlers, alone among the families of the conquerors, rivalled the Geraldines, their neighbours, kinsfolk and mortal foes. Theobald Walter, their ancestor, was not among the first of the invaders. He was the grandson of one Hervey Walter who, in the time of Henry I., held Witheton or Weeton in Amoundernêss, a small fee of the honour of Lancaster, the manor of Newton in Suffolk, and certain lands in Norfolk. In the great inquest of Lancaster lands that followed a writ of 1212, this Hervey, named as the father of Hervey Walter, is said to have given lands in his fee of Weeton to Orm, son of Magnus, with his daughter Alice in marriage.
Hervey married Daughter Of Walter De CAEN 1651 about 1130.1651 Daughter was born about 1110 in Horsford, St. Faith's, Norfolk, England.
The child from this marriage was:
8044364648 i. Hervey WALTER Of Weeton (born about 1130 in Weeton & Preese, Fylde, Lancashire, England)
16088729297. Daughter Of Walter De CAEN,415,1651 daughter of Walter De CAEN Lord Of Sibton and Unknown, was born about 1110 in Horsford, St. Faith's, Norfolk, England.
Daughter married Hervey WALTER Of Weeton 981,1651 about 1130.1651 Hervey was born about 1097 in West Dereham, Downham, Norfolk, England and died in Weeton & Preese, Fylde, Lancashire, England.
16088729298. Theobald De VALOINES Lord Of Parham,415,1954,1955 son of Hamo De VALENIS Domesday Tenant Of Parham and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Parham, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England and died after 1135 1955. Another name for Theobald was Theobald De VALEINES.
General Notes: Turton's Plantagenet Ancestry has Theobald as brother of Geoffrey & Philip de Valognes, son of Robert de Valognes & Agnes, however Raymond Phair, in a posting to soc.genealogy.medieval, has a quite different ancestry.
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Following excerpted from a posting by Raymond Phair to soc.genealogy.medieval:
From: Raymond Phair ([email protected])
Subject: Ranulf de Glanville
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/02/22
Theobald de Valeines (fl. 1135), a tenant of the count of Brittany (honor of Richmond) in Parham, as well as co. Norfolk and Yorkshire, married Helewise -- [15, 3]. He was probably a son of Hamo de Valenis who held Parham as the Domesday tenant of count Alan Rufus [15].
also at a later date, 8 Apr 1999, Raymond Phair posts:
Theobald I was probably a son of Hamo de Valenis; see my 21 Feb 1999 posting about Ranulf de Glanville. Very little is known about Theobald. He occured in the 1130 pipe roll and in 2 charters (about 1135) [1]. The Valognes fee is described by Clay in EYC vol.5, who noted that no connection has been discovered to the Domesday sheriff of Essex, Peter de Valognes, nor any other family using the name Valognes. Theobald's family name was usually spelled Valeines or Velaines.
His grandson, Theobald de Valeines II (son of Robert), founder of Hickling priory in co. Norfolk, justice, and sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk, died before Michaelmas 1209 when his son Thomas had succeeded [2]. Thomas, according to Dugdale, was one of the barons who rebelled against king John [3]. Clay, Mortimer, and Brown, have discussed other relatives, as well as possible ones, of Theobald I [4].
Theobald married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Bertha De VALOINES was born about 1125 in Parham, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England and died after 1208 in Bowsley, Antley, Suffolk, England.
8044364649 ii. Maud De VALOINES (born about 1133 in Parham, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England)
iii. Robert (Hamo) De VALOINES Of Parham was born about 1134 in Parham, Plomesgate, Suffolk, England. Another name for Robert was Robert De VALEINES.
16088729304. William De VERDUN Of Saxlingham 415,1956 was born about 1108 in Saxlingham, Walsingham, Norfolk, England and died after 1166 in Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire, England 1956.
General Notes: WILLIAM DE VERDON possibly son and heir of Ives, held in 1166 6 knights' fees of the old feoffment of Hugh Bigod. [Complete Peerage XII/2:241, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
William married Lesceline De CLINTON. Lesceline was born about 1124 in St Pierre-DE-Semily, St Lo, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1155.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. William De VERDON Of Bressingham was born before 1155 in Bressingham, Depwade, Norfolk, England 1956 and died after 1197 in Aslacton, Depwade, Norfolk, England 1956.
16088729305. Lesceline De CLINTON,415 daughter of Geoffrey De CLINTON Chamberlain Of Henry I and Unknown, was born about 1124 in St Pierre-DE-Semily, St Lo, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1155.
Lesceline married William De VERDUN Of Saxlingham.1956 William was born about 1108 in Saxlingham, Walsingham, Norfolk, England and died after 1166 in Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire, England 1956.
16088729316. Henry De FERRIERS Of Oakham & Lechlade,415,1341 son of Engenulf Or William De FERRIERS and Unknown, was born about 1100 in Ferrieres-St-Hilaire, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1136 in Oakham, Rutlandshire, England 1341. Another name for Henry was Henry De FERRERS Of Oakham.
Henry married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088729318. Roger III De TOENI Lord Of Flamstead,415,1449,1767,1768 son of Ralph IV De TOENI De Conches, Lord Flamstead and Alice De HUNTINGDON, was born about 1104 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1767,1768 and died from before February 1161 to 1162 1767,1768. Another name for Roger was Roger De CONCHES.
General Notes: Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c1104; married Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, and died between autumn 1157 and the beginning of 1162. [Burke's Peerage]
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ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and heir, was born probably about 1104, and succeeded his father about 1126. In 1131 he attested Henry I's pancarte confirming all the grants of his ancestors and himself and others to the abbey of Conches. He is said to have waged war with Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspected that he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geoffrey Plantagenet, and sent his own soldiers to garrison the castle of Conches. After the King's death Roger supported Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maud against Stephen. After Easter 1136 hostilities began between him and the King's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robert, Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June. In the autumn the fighting flared up again; but on 3 October Roger was ambushed and captured by Count Waleran and Henry de la Pommeraye. His land was laid under an interdict and he was kept in prison for more than 6 months, but was released in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count of Meulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successfully; and on 7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt the town. However, before the end of 1138 he made peace with the twin Earls, who conducted him to England, where he was reconciled to King Stephen. Nothing is known of what happened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or 1151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After Henry had become King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for between Michaelmas 1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King granted him 100 solidates of land at Holkham, Norfolk. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conches and Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Following copied from soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup:
From: Paul C. Reed ([email protected])
Subject: Idenity of Countess Ida revisited [2nd try]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/01/06
Roger de Toeni [the third of that name, or III] was born ca. 1104, and died after Michaelmas 1157, presumably before his son died in 1162. He married Ida of Hainault, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, by his wife Yolande de Guelders. It is not known when Ida died, but she presumably survived him, as Henry II granted her [Ida de Tounay] land at Garsington, co. Oxford [Rot. Hund.].
This couple had four known sons:
(1) Ralph de Toeni [V], who succeeded his father and died 1262/3, having married Margaret de Beaumont.
(2) Roger de Toeni, Jr., dead by 1185, when his wife Ade/Alda de Chaumont was holding land at Holkington, co. Norfolk, of her son Baldwin de Toeni [II] (1170-1216), Seigneur de Acquigny, apparently father of Roger de Akeny and Sir William Dakeny [Acquigny]. The Rotuli de Dominabus states that Ade/Alda was born about 1155, and that she had five daughters aside from her son Baldwin. [Does anyone have any Dakeny ancestry?]
(3) Baldwin de Toeni, who settled in Hainault [having resided with his uncle Baldwin IV], where he died in 1170, leaving issue.
(4) Geoffrey de Toeni, a cleric who flourished 1157-62, 1177.
Two daughters have also been mentioned before:
1) Goda (c1136-) m Walchieline de Ferrers
2)Godeheut de Toeni (-<1186) m William de Mohun (<1143-1176); Of Dunster; s
of William by Agnes de Gaunt. They left Agnes and Yolante
[Latter posting on daughters from Adrian Channing, 10 Jan 2000]
Roger married Ida (Gertrude) Of HAINAULT 1449,1767.,1769 Ida was born about 1109 in Hainault, Belgium 1770 and died after 1162 in Garsington, Headington, Oxfordshire, England 1771.
16088729319. Ida (Gertrude) Of HAINAULT,415,670,1449,1767,1769 daughter of Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT and Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders, was born about 1109 in Hainault, Belgium 1770 and died after 1162 in Garsington, Headington, Oxfordshire, England 1771.
General Notes: Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault. [Burke's Peerage]
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He [Roger de Toeni] married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAULT, by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. With her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died after Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Peerage XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Ida married Roger III De TOENI Lord Of Flamstead 1449,1767.,1768 Roger was born about 1104 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1767,1768 and died from before February 1161 to 1162 1767,1768. Another name for Roger was Roger De CONCHES.
16088729320. Owain Gwynedd Ap GRUFFUDD King Of Gwynedd,415,505,631,1034,1387,1388,1389,1390 son of Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd and Angharat Verch OWAIN, was born in 1137 in Aberffraw Castle, Angelesey, Wales,389,390,1034,1391 died in 1170 in Bangor Cathedral, Is Gwyrfai, Caernarvonshire, Wales 389,390,1034,1279,1388,1389,1390 at age 33, and was buried in Bangor Cathedral, Is Gwyrfai, Caernarvonshire, Wales.389,390,1034 Another name for Owain was Owain GWYNEDD King Of North Wales.
General Notes:
King of Gwynedd, or North Wales, 1137-1170. From 1157 he was styled prince of Gwynedd. His death was followed by five years of fighting among his many sons. In 1175 East Gwynedd went to David and West Gwynedd to Rhodri. While England was engaged in civil war, Owain used his skill as statesman and soldier to extend his frontiers. In 1157 Henry II led his first campaign against Owain, but it ended in a truce. He was required to do homage to Henry but it was not long before Owain was acting with complete independence. When Madog ap Maredudd died in 1160, he attacked Powys and extended his influence to the east. Six years later, the Council of Woodstock attempted to reduce the Welsh princes from client status to that of dependent vassalage, and the subsequent uprising was led by Owain and Rhys ap Gruffydd of south Wales. Henry's second attempt at subduing Wales failed ignominiously and left Owain free to capture Basingwerk and Rhuddlan castles in 1166-67. In 1168 he began negotiations with Louis VII of France to build an alliance between Gwynedd and France against their common enemy, England. It was a course which required great finesse and firm judgement. In one direction it pointed to a policy which would be used to good effect by later rulers of Gwynedd, the search for recognition and an alliance in Europe. Having openly defied Henry in 1168 by offering to help Louis, Owain maintained his independent position until his death. He left behind him a reputation of wisdom and magnanimity.
The reign of Owain Gwynedd marks the most peaceful period of Welsh independence, when the native princes absorbed many of the current European reforming ideas and adapted the more effective structures of both church and state to their own society. Monastic foundations were encouraged, diocesan boundaries defined, and many stone churches built. Motte-and-bailey earthwork castles identical to those built earlier by the Norman invaders were now erected by the princes as the centers of many of their personal estates. Two of Owain's sons are credited with building the first stone castles in Gwynedd towards the end of the 12th century. The tragedy, recurrent in Welsh history, was that Owain was not followed immediately by a strong ruler. Upon his death in 1170, open warfare broke out between his sons. Dafydd and Rhodri killed their elder half-brother, Hywel, and for the next 20 years Gwynedd was divided between them and their kinsmen. Gwynedd and Wales would not see another strong leader until Llywelyn the Great extended his control over most of Wales in the later part of the century. 1346,1389
Noted events in his life were:
• Title: Prince of North Wales, , , , North Wales. 390,417,1387
Owain married Gwladus Verch LLYWARCH 1034,1389,1390 about 1124 in 1st Wife 389,390,1387.,1391 Gwladus was born about 1098 in Pembroke, Montgomershire, Wales 389,390,1034 and died before 1155.
Owain next married Christina Verch GRONW,1390 daughter of Gronw Ap OWAIN and Unknown, before 1155 in 2ND Wife.1391 Christina was born about 1125 in Wales.
Owain next married in 1st Wife.1391
Owain next married Gwenllian Verch EDNYWAIN about 1105 in <, , Caernarvonshire, Wales> 389,390.,1387 Gwenllian was born about 1089 in <Llandwrog, Uwch Gwyrfai, Caernarvon, Wales>.389,390
Owain next married Morfudd Verch MERWYDD about 1110 389,390.,1387 Morfudd was born about 1087 in <, , Caernarvonshire, Wales>.389,390
Owain next married Cristin Verch GRONWY about 1126 in <, , Caernarvonshire, Wales> 389,390.,1387 Cristin was born about 1105 in <, Tegeingl, Flint, Wales>.389,390
Owain next married Angharad Verch PEREDUR about 1114 389,390.,1387 Angharad was born about 1091.389,390
Owain next married Ffynnod WYDDELES about 1114 389,390.,1387 Ffynnod was born about 1090.389,390
Owain next married Anedd Verch GWRGI about 1114 389,390.,1387 Anedd was born about 1090.389,390
Owain next married Afandreg Verch GWRGI about 1114 389,390.,1387 Afandreg was born about 1091.389,390
Owain next married Morfudd Verch ELFAN about 1114 389,390.,1387 Morfudd was born about 1090.389,390
16088729321. Gwladus Verch LLYWARCH,415,505,631,1034,1389,1390 daughter of Llywarch Ap TRAHAEARN and Dyddgu Verch IORWERTH, was born about 1098 in Pembroke, Montgomershire, Wales 389,390,1034 and died before 1155.
Gwladus married Owain Gwynedd Ap GRUFFUDD King Of Gwynedd 1034,1388,1389,1390 about 1124 in 1st Wife 389,390,1387.,1391 Owain was born in 1137 in Aberffraw Castle, Angelesey, Wales,389,390,1034,1391 died in 1170 in Bangor Cathedral, Is Gwyrfai, Caernarvonshire, Wales 389,390,1034,1279,1388,1389,1390 at age 33, and was buried in Bangor Cathedral, Is Gwyrfai, Caernarvonshire, Wales.389,390,1034 Another name for Owain was Owain GWYNEDD King Of North Wales.
16088729322. Madog Ap MAREDUDD King Of Powys,415,505,631,1388,1392 son of Maredudd Ap BLEDDYN and Hunydd Verch EINUDD, was born about 1097 in Powys, Wales and died in 1160 in Winchester, Herefordshire, England 1388,1591 about age 63.
Madog married Susanna VERCH GRUFFYDD AP CYNAN 1392 in 1st Wife. Susanna was born about 1098 in Caernarvonshire, Wales.
Madog next married Eva Verch MADOG before 1135 in 2ND Wife. Eva was born about 1110 in Marshbrook, Shropshire, England.
16088729323. Susanna VERCH GRUFFYDD AP CYNAN,415,505,631,1392 daughter of Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd and Angharat Verch OWAIN, was born about 1098 in Caernarvonshire, Wales.
General Notes:
She was possibly Susanna verch Gruffydd ap Cynan, sister of Owain ap Gruffydd ap Cynan, king of Gwynedd, but Madog had children by other women also. 1591
Susanna married Madog Ap MAREDUDD King Of Powys 1388,1392 in 1st Wife. Madog was born about 1097 in Powys, Wales and died in 1160 in Winchester, Herefordshire, England 1388,1591 about age 63.
Susanna next married in 1st Wife.
16088729328. William II De BRAOSE 10th Lord Of Abergavenny,415,505,1902,1903,1904,1905 son of Philip Baron De BRAOSE Sir and Aenor De TOTNES, was born in 1112 in Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales and died before 1193 in Weobley, Herefordshire, England 1905,1906. Another name for William was William De BRIOUZE.
General Notes: From c1173 to 1230 successive fathers, sons, and younger brothers called de Briouze were feudal lords of Abergavenny. William de Briouze, the first of them, who derived his name from his lordship of Briouze in Normandy, married the sister and coheir of the 2nd Earl of Hereford (also daughter of 1st Earl) mentioned above, which seems to account for his coming into possession of a lordship in that part of the Welsh marches. [Burke's Peerage]
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OWNERS of the LORDSHIP of ABERGAVENNY (X) 1173?
William de Briouze (e), Lord of Briouze in Normandy, and of Bramber, Sussex, son and heir of Philip de Briouze, be Aenor, daughter and heir of Juhel son of Alvred, Lord of Barnstaple and Totnes. He married, in or before 1150, Bertha, 2nd sister and coheir of William of Hereford being daughter of Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Gloucester (sic. Earl of Hereford). Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at which earlier date probably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. He was living in 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(e) Briouze-Saint-Gervais (formerly Braiose), arrond. of Argentan, dept. of Orne. His descendants spelt the name Brewes. In some 25 early references to this name, not in charter latin, it appears as Breouse, Breuse, or Brewys (the last of which still exists as a surname), but never as Braose, the form adopted in peerages, for which it seems doubtful if there be any good authority.
Note: The above text "1st Earl of Gloucester", which was part of a correction in CP XIV:6, is a mistake; Miles was Earl of Hereford.
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William was very fortunate in his marriage to Berta. All of her brothers died young without heirs, so she brought a number of important lordships to the de Braoses in 1166. These included Brecon and Abergavenny. William became Sheriff of Hereford in 1174. His interest in Sussex was maintained as he confirmed the grants of his father and grandfather for the maintenance of Sele Priory and extended St Mary's, Shoreham.
See St Mary's, Shoreham, Sussex.
William m. Berta, dau. of Milo de Gloucester, Earl of Hereford, and co-heir of her brother, William, Earl of Hereford, by whom he acquired Brecknock, with other extensive territorial possessions. He had two sons, William and Reginald, and was s. by the elder. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 72, Braose, Baron Braose, of Gower]
William married Bertha De GLOUCESTER Heiress Of Brecon 1902,1904,1905,1907 about 1150.1903 Bertha was born about 1130 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Bertha was Bertha De HEREFORD.
16088729329. Bertha De GLOUCESTER Heiress Of Brecon,415,505,1902,1904,1905,1907 daughter of Miles Of GLOUCESTER 1st Earl Of Hereford and Sybil De NEUFMARCHE, was born about 1130 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England. Another name for Bertha was Bertha De HEREFORD.
General Notes: He [William de Briouze] married, in or before 1150, Bertha, 2nd sister and coheir of William of Hereford being daughter of Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Gloucester. Sheriff of Hereford, Easter 1173-75, at which earlier date probably he already possessed the Lordship of Over Gwent. He was living in 1179. [Complete Peerage I:21-2, XIV:6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: The above text "1st Earl of Gloucester", which was part of a correction in CP XIV:6, is a mistake; Miles was Earl of Hereford.
Bertha married William II De BRAOSE 10th Lord Of Abergavenny 1902,1903,1904,1905 about 1150.1903 William was born in 1112 in Abergavenny, Over Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales and died before 1193 in Weobley, Herefordshire, England 1905,1906. Another name for William was William De BRIOUZE.
16088729330. Bernard IV De ST. VALERY Of Beckley & Horton,415,1957,1958 son of Reginald (Rainald) II De ST. VALERY Of Beckley and Unknown, was born in 1117 in Horton, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1190 in Beckley, Headington, Oxfordshire, England 1659 at age 73.
General Notes: The following is Excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Sep 2002, by John Ravilious:
From: John Ravilious ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Reginald de St. Valery and His Descendants
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-30 09:39:35 PST
Monday, 30 September, 2002
He [Reynold de St. Valery] died probably in 1166-7 and was succeeded by his eldest son Bernard, who in 1166-7 paid a fine for livery of Beckley and Horton. He seems to have died shortly after 1191, and was succeeded by his second son Thomas, who paid a relief in 1191--2.
Bernard married Matilda (Maud) 1959 in 1st Wife.1959 Matilda was born about 1120 in England and died about 1151 1959 about age 31.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Johannes MORTON.
ii. Laura (Laurette) De ST. VALERY was born about 1146 in Isleworth, Middlesex, England.
Bernard next married Eleanor (Aenor\Aanor) De DOMMART 1958,1959 after 1151 in 2ND Wife.1959 Eleanor was born in 1128 in Domart-En-Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
8044364665 i. Maude De ST. VALERY (born in 1155 in Isleworth, Middlesex, England - died in 1210 in Corfe, Windsor, England)
ii. Thomas De ST. VALERY Of Beckley & Horton was born about 1157 in St Valery-Sur-Somme, Somme, Picardy, France and died before 1220 in Beckley, Headington, Oxfordshire, England 1960.
16088729331. Eleanor (Aenor\Aanor) De DOMMART 415,1958,1959 was born in 1128 in Domart-En-Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.
Eleanor married Bernard IV De ST. VALERY Of Beckley & Horton 1957,1958 after 1151 in 2ND Wife.1959 Bernard was born in 1117 in Horton, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire, England and died in 1190 in Beckley, Headington, Oxfordshire, England 1659 at age 73.
16088756256. Gilbert De VENABLES 505 was born in 1085 in Venables, Normandy, France.
Gilbert married.
The child from this marriage was:
Gilbert next married.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Hamon De LEGH 1st Lord Of West Hall was born in 1112 in West Hall, High Legh, Cheshire, England. Another name for Hamon was Hamon De LEIGH.
16088776840. Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury,415,588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 son of Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois and Emma, was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
General Notes:
Shrewsbury, Earldom of: In early December 1074 Roger de Montgomery was created Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury. As with other medieval earldoms, little distinction was then made between the county town and county proper when designating a specific name for a title, chiefly because an earl, who was then more or less and official, albeit often hereditary, was inconceivable except as earl of a county.
Roger was son of another Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of the Norman places (St Germain-de-Montgomery and Ste-Foy-de-Montgomery) of that name in the Calvados region. He was a prominent member of the nobles grouped around William (later William I of England, The Conqueror) of Normandy well before the 1066 invasion of England but stayed behind in Normandy during the actual enterprise. The year after Hastings he went to England and received land grants in Sussex. He is thought to have constructed the Castle of Montgomery (now in Powys, but formerly named Mongomeryshire after his family), doing so shortly before the Domesday Survey. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]
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EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (I) 1074
EARLDOM OF ARUNDEL (I) 1067
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY (who, in right of his 1st wife, Mabel de Bellême, daughter of William TALVAS, was LORD OF ALENCON, SEEZ, &c., in Normandy), having during the invasion of England, remained, as REGENT, in Normandy, came over thence, for the first time, with King William, in December 1067, and, at the Christmas festival, was created an EARL, receiving, among other large grants from the Conqueror, about one third of the county of Sussex, including the city of Chichester and the CASTLE OF ARUNDEL.(a) By this last grant he may be considered to have become EARL OF ARUNDEL, according to the remarkable admission(b) in 1433 on the claim to that Earldom. At all events he was frequently so styled, though, occasionally, he is styled EARL OF CHICHESTER. Dugdale and many later writers consider him to have been EARL OF SUSSEX. On the dismemberment of Mercia, in 1070, another Earldom was conferred on him, by the grant of nearly the whole of Shropshire (with, apparently, Palatine authority), together with the Castles of Shrewsbury and Montgomery, and the Lordship of the West Marches. He was thenceforth generally known as EARL OF SHREWSBURY, though occasionally (according to modern views, more correctly) as EARL OF SHROPSHIRE. He is the "COMES ROGIERUS " of the Domesday survey, where, of course, no local designation is attributed to him. He died 27 July 1094.
(a)This formed the Honour of Arundel, which consisted of the rapes of Arundel and Chichester, being two out of the six rapes into which Sussex is divided. It contained, besides the city of Chichester and the Castle of Arundel (as abovenamed), 84 1/2 knights' fees, ten hundreds (with their forests, woods and chases), three lordships (Halnaker, Petworth and Midhurst) eighteen parks and seventy-seven manors. See Tierney's Hist. of Arundel, p. 12. G.E.C.
It is pointed out however to the Editor by J. H. Round that, according to the latest view of archeologists, the castle may have been erected by Roger of Montgomery himself, after obtaining possession of the Honour. V.G.
(b)The claim to the Earldom as being one by tenure of the Castle of Arundel was made by John Arundel, who had been sum. to Parl. in 1429, the writ being directed "Johanni ArundeIl' de Arundell' Chivaler." In I433 (II Hen. VI) he petitioned [as Earl of Arundel] to be sum. to Parl. and considered as Earl of Arundel, a dignity or name united and annexed to the Castle and Lordship of Arundel, for time whereof memory of man was not to the contrary--a peculiar and distinct claim (as stated in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, p. 406), " not connected with any general, but asserting a special right, and which being founded on prescription, was to be supported by evidence of constant and immemorial enjoyment of the asserted right, which right if not shown to have been so constantly enjoyed, the title by prescription failed. This claim, though opposed by John (Mowbray), Duke of Norfolk, was admitted by the Crown, notwithstanding that the assertion of the constant annexation of the title to the Castle of Arundel could not have been sustained, had it been (which it was not) made the subject of an enquiry." (Courthope, p. 30).
The claim then of 1433 was, as is stated above, "admitted by the Crown, or so far admitted as that the assertion in the petition is made the consideration (with others not connected with the question) for the King's acceding to it, with a saving, nevertheless, of the right of the King, of the Duke of Norfolk (who, being a coheir of the Earls of Arundel, had opposed the Earl's claim) and of every other person; which saving clause, as is remarked in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, was that species of saving which is deemed in law illusory operating nothing.' (Courthope, p. xx). See also Tierney's Historv of Arundel (vol. i, p. 106), where the judgment is set out, reciting "that Richard Fitz Alan was seized of the Castle, Honour and Lordship [of Arundel] in fee; that, by reason of his possession thereof, he was, without other reason or creation, EARL oF ARUNDEL, - &c."; and stating also, that "the King, contemplating the person of the present claimant, now Earl of Arundel, &c., has, with the advice and assent of the Prelates, Dukes, Earls and Barons in this present Parl. assembled, admitted John, now Earl of Arundel, to the place and seat anciently belonging to the Earls of Arundel in Parl. and council."
Almost similar words are used in the Act of Parl. obtained in 1627, which, in form of a petition to the King recites that the Earldom of Arundel had been real and local from the time whereof the memory of man was not to the contrary, and had, from the time aforesaid, been used and enjoyed bv the petitioner and such of his ancestors as had possessed the Castle of Arundel, &c. Now it is to be noted that the claimant of 1433 alleged that his ancestors, the possessors of Arundel, were Earls of Arundel, both bs(ore, as well as after, the Conquest. Fortunately, however King Harold and his father, Earl Godwin, have not to be included, and still less a long shadowy race of Earls extending upwards towards (even if not including) primeval man. The words "memory of man " must, of course, be read in their strict legal significance, as indicating the reign of Richard I, so that the Act of 1627 (and, possibly, the admission of 1433 also) would not apply to any Earl of Arundel, prior to I I 89.
The Redesdale Committee remarks on these proceedings that they "ought to be considered as an anomaly influenced by political views, and decided apparently without much discussion, and without the assistance of the judges." Moreover the assertion of fact by the claimant as to the Earldom having always depended on possession of the Castle in the past "seems not to have been true, and not to have been made the subject of enquiry when the question was decided." For a similar case of a charter creating a peerage, and setting out, as facts, unfounded statements of the grantee, see the Barony of LISLE, cr. 1444, in the same reign.
[Complete Peerage I:230-33, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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He [Roger de Montgomery, probably 3rd but 1st surviving son and heir of Roger I de Montgomery by Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. He m. 2ndly, Adelaide, daughter of Everard de Puiset. Roger d. 27 July 1094 at Shrewsbury and having been clothed as a monk three days before his death was buried there in the abbey which he had founded. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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The following additional information was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
Seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Heismois [Ref: CP XI:683]
Earl of Arundel or Earl of Chichester, Earl of Shropshire or Salop, called Earl of Montgomery, Seigneur de Bellesme et d'Alencon [Ref: Watney p696]
Seigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Heismois, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, Regent of Normandy and England [Ref: Moriarty p44]
Viscount of the Hiemois, Lord of the West Marches, Earl of Chichester, Shropshire, and Sussex [Ref: Turton]
1048: accompanied Duke William on his expedition against Domfront and Alencon [Ref: CP XI:683]
1066: was with the Duke while preparations were in progress for the invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition [Ref: CP XI:683]
Dec 1067: accompanied the King to England and thereupon received a grant of Arundel and Chichester [Ref: CP XI:683]
1086: 'Comtes Rogerus' at Domesday [Ref: Watney p696]
1st Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: Doug Smith <[email protected]> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 27 Apr 2002]
Roger Earl of Shrewsbury. Also Roger of Montgomery. From Saint Germain de Montgomery, near Lisieux. Lord of Sussex rape of Arundel, with castle there; Earl of Shrewsbury from 1071-74 to death in 1094. Holdings in 12 counties in south, east and west. [Ref: Domesday Online]
Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086:
Roger de Montgomery II, better known as Earl Roger in the Domesday, but officially the seigneur of Montgomery, was the major recipient of Shropshire holdings. An old man of considerable wealth and power, he contributed 60 ships to the invasion fleet and was in command of a wing at the Battle of Hastings. He returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda, and the young Duke Robert as Duke William's representative in Normandy. He became head of the council that governed the Duchy of Normandy in Duke William's frequent absences in England. The Norman Montgomery family ancestry was closely interwoven either by blood or marriage with the Duchy of Normandy. However, the family history in Normandy was not without blemish. Roger had four brothers, Hugh, Robert, William and Gilbert. All four brothers were murdered in revenge for the murder of Osberne de Crepon, guardian of Duke William. Roger was the survivor. Continuing, Roger de Montgomery had four sons. Eldest was Robert, Count of Alencon, and successor in Normandy to his vast estates which he still held for his father Roger as his chief domain. He was followed by second son, Hugh, who inherited the Earldom of Arundel, Chichester and Shrewsbury, the life custodian of the main Montgomery family domains granted in England. These would eventually go to Robert in 1098, purchased from William Rufus for 3000 pounds. Next youngest was Count Roger de Poitou who was made the first Earl of Lancaster by Duke William of Normandy, a less maganamious grant which befitted the third youngest son. Philip, the youngest, remained in Normandy and accompanied Duke Robert on the first crusade to the Holy land, and died there in 1094.
Earl Roger was responsible to Duke William of Normandy as his chief architect in the defence of the middle marches of the border in his defence against the Welsh. He built many castles including Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Arundel, Ludlow, Clun, Hopton and Oswestry. His son, Robert, described at the Conquest as a 'novice in arms', but who might have been 40 by the Domesday, represented his father Earl Roger, and created some confusion in the records. Roger, the father, became the Earl of Shrewsbury and the Earl of Arundel in England, and retained his domains in Normandy at Bailleul (Kings of Scotland), Belmeis (Beaumais), Pantulf, Vimoutiers, Say and Tornai. However, Earl Roger also became confused with Roger de Beaumont in Normandy, who, it is claimed, was also head of the council in Normandy. [found this online but didn't cite URL, sorry. Try google: keywords: (title above)]
Earl Roger's Shropshire Land Holdings
Alveley, Baschurch, Berwick (Shrewsbury), Cheney Longville, Chetton, Chirbury, Claverley, Corfham, Culmington, Donington, Dudston, Eardington, Edenhope, Edgmond, Ellesmere, Fenemere, Ford, High Ercall, Hockleton, Hodnet, Kingsmordley, Leebotwood, Loppington, Lydham, Minsterley, Montford, Morville, Netley, Oswestry, Poynton, Pulley, Quatford, Quatt, Rhiston, Romsley, Rorrington, Rowton, Rudge, Ruyton, Shavington, Shawbury, Shifnall, Shipley, Shrewsbury, Siefton, Smethcott, Spoonley, Stottesdon, Stretton, The Marsh, Tong Tuange, Walcot, Wellington, Whittingslow, Whittington, Wilderley, Wistanstow, Withington, Woodcote(Newport), Wotherton, Wrockwardine, Ackley, Aston, Basley, Churchstoke
[Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Shropshire.htm]
Regards,
Curt
Noted events in his life were:
• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1375,1664 Lord of Alençon in Normandy via his marriage.
• Fact 3: Fact 3, 1066. 1372,1375,1664 Regent of Normandy when William the Conqueror invaded England.
• Fact 5: Fact 5. 1375,1664 Created Earl of Shrewsbury 1070 in the Welsh Marches at dismemberment of Mercia.
• Fact 6: Fact 6. 1372,1375,1966 Vicomte de Heimois.
• Fact 7: Fact 7. 1372,1375 Earl of Chicester, Seigneur de Montgoemry.
• Graduation: 1375,1664 Joined William in England in 1067 & was created Earl of Arundel.
Roger married Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON 1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Mabel was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:44687
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962 1st wife
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962
Children from this marriage were:
i. Maud De MONTGOMERY was born about 1049 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died about 1085 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1270 about age 36.
iii. Hugh De MONTGOMERY 2nd Earl Of Shrewsbury was born between 1053 and 1059 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1972 died on 31 July 1098 in Montgomery, Montgomershire, Wales 1972 about age 44, and was buried on 17 August 1098 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England. Other names for Hugh were 02nd Earl Of ARUNDEL Hugh De Montgomery, and1668 2nd Earl Of SHREWSBURY Hugh De Montgomery.
iv. Arnulph De MONTGOMERY was born about 1058 of Pembroke & Dyfed, Wales 1973 and died before 1122 in France (Exiled In 1102) 1974.
v. Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1123 in Lancaster, Lancashire, England 1529 at age 65.
vi. Sibyl De MONTGOMERIE was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France 1372,1375,1970 and died in 1107 1372,1375,1970 at age 49.
Roger next married Adelaide De PUISET 1962 after 1079 in 2ND Wife.1962 Adelaide was born about 1045 in Le Puiset, Rochefort, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.
16088776841. Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON,415,1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 daughter of William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme and Hildeburg De ALENÇON, was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.
General Notes:
He [Roger de Montgomery] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em, gives additional information on Mabel:
aka: Mabel/Mabilia Heiress de Belesme (Belleme)
...Mabel of Belesme, described by various sources as "wicked, unnatural and cruel"..."haughty, worldly-minded, crafty, and a babbler". ..."Among those whom either her ambition or her hatred had led her to despoil of their rights was Hugh, Seigneur de la Roche Ige (accent over the "e"), whom she had deprived of his castle. On Dec. 2, 1082, he entered her chamber at the Chateu de Bures, near Troarn, and killed her with his sword. Decapitated her, according to some. Hugh successfully escaped. More detail will be found in "Dictionary of National Biography" (v. 49, pp. 101-2). [Ref: Tom Camfield <[email protected]> 29 Feb 1996 message to Gen-Medieval]
died: 10 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III:636-7]
Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney p5, 696]
Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty p11, 12, 44]
1079 [Ref: Turton p185]
murdered [Ref: Watney p696]
buried: Abbey of Troarn, Eure, (in what is now France) [Ref: McBride, Smokykin] note: Smokykin is David Beckwith's website at http://www.smokykin.com/ged/
Mabel married Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury 588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Roger was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.
16088776842. Guy I Count Of Montreuil & PONTHIEU,415,1120,1354,1975,1976,1977 son of Hugues II Comte De PONTHIEU and Bertha Of AUMALE, was born about 1045 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 13 October 1100 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 1354 about age 55.
General Notes:
Captor? of Harold Godwyn, Companion of William I, Crusader.
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I used to have Guy as son of Enguerrand II de Ponthieu, but the following excerpt from a post to SGM, 10 Apr 2001, by Peter Stewart, clears up Guy's parents and where I got the misinformation in the first place:
From: Stewart, Peter ([email protected])
Subject: RE: Guy I de Ponthieu
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-04-10 21:14:09 PST
My earlier posting above should have read:
"Hugh II and Bertha were the parents of Enguerrand II and of Guy I."
Spencer Hines has provided the correct information - I was careless in following ES III/4, Tafel 635, where Guy is wrongly shown as the son of Enguerrand and Adelaide of Normandy, without checking - oddly enough, ES lists a number of sources for this family that contradict the erroneous genealogy given in the table cited.
One of these is CP vol 1 (article on Aumale), where Enguerrand is correctly stated to have died without male issue. The relationships in the first comital house of Ponthieu are tabulated in *The Carmen de Hastingae Proelio of Guy Bishop of Amiens* edited by Catherine Morton and Hope Muntz (Oxford, 1972), based on the research of Jules Delaîte in *Les comtes de Dammartin en Goële et leurs ancêtres du VIIIe au XIIe siècle* (Liège, 1911), another source used by ES. Tafel 635 also shows a second daughter of Enguerrand and Adelaide, named Hélissende, who is supposed to have married Hugh II, count of Saint-Pol - Morton & Muntz do not mention this Hélissende at all, and anyway the relationship shown in ES appears to be a compound error since the corresponding Saint-Pol table does not specify the parents of Hugh II's wife, stating only that she was Guy's sister.
By the way, a later edition of the *Carmen de Hastingae Proelio* by Frank Barlow (Oxford, 1999), cited by DSH, agrees with Morton & Muntz in stating that Adelaide of Normandy was William the Conqueror's full-sister [xlv, note 128]. However, Barlow reverts to the earlier general opinion that Judith, the wife of Earl Waltheof, was her daughter by a second marriage to Lambert of Lens rather than a posthumous daughter of her first husband Enguerrand of Ponthieu, as argued by Morton & Muntz [p 127, note 2].
Peter Stewart
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1101. 1120
Guy married Ada Of AMIENS 1120,1977 about 1053 in <Abbeville, Ponthieu, Picardie, France> 389.,390 Ada was born about 1045 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died from March 1065 to 1066 about age 20.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776843. Ada Of AMIENS 415,1120,1977 was born about 1045 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died from March 1065 to 1066 about age 20.
Ada married Guy I Count Of Montreuil & PONTHIEU 1120,1354,1975,1976,1977 about 1053 in <Abbeville, Ponthieu, Picardie, France> 389.,390 Guy was born about 1045 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 13 October 1100 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 1354 about age 55.
16088776844. Henry Of BURGUNDY,415,670,1978,1979 son of Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY and Helie (Ella) De SEMUR, was born in 1035 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 1979 and died from about 27 January 1073 to 1074 in (Dvp) 1979,1980 about age 38.
Henry married Sibylle Of BARCELONA 1978,1982 in 1056 1979.,1981 Sibylle was born in 1035 in Barcelona, Spain 1982 and died after 6 July 1074 1982.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Henry II Count Of PORTUGAL was born in 1069 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 1983 and died on 1 November 1112 1983 at age 43.
iii. Beatrix De BURGUNDY was born about 1072 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France.
16088776845. Sibylle Of BARCELONA,415,670,1978,1982 daughter of Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA and Guisle D' AMPURIAS, was born in 1035 in Barcelona, Spain 1982 and died after 6 July 1074 1982.
Sibylle married Henry Of BURGUNDY 1978,1979 in 1056 1979.,1981 Henry was born in 1035 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 1979 and died from about 27 January 1073 to 1074 in (Dvp) 1979,1980 about age 38.
16088776846. William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY,415,670,1670,1984 son of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.
William married Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY 1987,1988,1989 before 1060. Stephanie was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Stephen (Etienne) "Tete Hardi" Comte De MACON was born about 1050 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 27 May 1102 in Ascalon, Palestine (Murdered) 1986,1990 about age 52. Another name for Stephen was Etienne (Stephen) Comte De VIENNE.
ii. Raymond Of BURGUNDY Count Of Castile was born about 1060 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France 1991 and died on 26 March 1107 in Grajal Do Campos, Leon, Spain 1991 about age 47.
iii. Ermentrude Of BURGUNDY was born about 1060 in Bourgogne, France and died from after 8 March 1104 to 1105 1992.
iv. Bertha Of BURGUNDY was born about 1062 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died before 1096 in (Dsp).
8044388423 v. Matilda Of BURGUNDY (born in 1065 in Bourgogne, France)
vi. Gisela Of BURGUNDY was born about 1073 in Bourgogne, France and died after 1133 1993,1994.
vii. Clemence Clementia Of BURGUNDY was born about 1078 in Bourgogne, France and died in 1131 about age 53.
16088776847. Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY,415,670,1987,1988,1989 daughter of Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine and Clemence De FOIX, was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.
General Notes: Despite many sources that indicate this pedigree including Stephanie/Etienette's mother and father, her mother did not exist, and her father may not have married or had children. Clemence de Foix was "calculated to have existed" based on certain evidence which proved false. Some people think that Stephanie/Etienette was Ettienette, daughter of one of the Ramon Berenger, Counts of Barcelona. I am leaving the pedigree in place for these three people until more information is available.
Leo van de Pas, citing ES, still has Stephanie de Longwy, daughter of Adalbert (by unknown wife), as wife of William.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1088. 1988
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1092. 1989
Stephanie married William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY 1670,1984 before 1060. William was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.
16088776850. Robert De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall,415,891,896,1995 son of Harlevin (Herlouin) Vicomte De CONTEVILLE and Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE, was born about 1031 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 1965,1995 and died on 8 December 1095 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1965,1995 about age 64. Another name for Robert was Robert De MORTAIN Earl Of Cornwall.
General Notes: Fought at Battle of Hastings. [Ancestral Roots]
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EARLDOM of CORNWALL
Robert, Count of Mortain in Normandy, one of the two sons of Herluin de Conteville, by Herleve, mother of William the Conqueror, was b. about 1031. About 1050 he received, from his uterine brother, William, then Duke of Normandy, the comte of Mortain, and was thenceforth known as Count of Mortain. He accompanied William in the invasion of England, where he was in command of the chivalry of the Cotentin at the battle of Hastings, 1066. His share of the spoil was one of the greatest, as, with the exception of the lands of the King and the Church, he received nearly the whole of the county of Cornwall, and is, consequently, usually considered Earl of Cornwall, though only known as Comes Moritoniensis. At the time of Domesday, he was possessed of 797 manors in various counties, besides the borough of Pevensey in Sussex, etc. In 1069 he, with Robert, Count of Eu, defeated the Danes in the parts of Lindsey, with great slaughter. He joined his brother, the Earl of Kent in 1088 in a rebellion against William II in favour of his brother Robert Courthose, but was subsequently pardoned.
He m. 1stly, before 1066, Maud, daughter of Robert de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, Seigneur of Alencon and Belleme). She was buried in the Abbey of Grestain. He m. 2ndly, Almodis. He d. 8 Dec 1090, and was buried with his 1st wife. [Complete Peerage III:427-8 as corrected by XIV:207]
Robert married Maud De MONTGOMERY 1965,1996 before 1066 in 1st Wife.1996 Maud was born about 1049 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died about 1085 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1270 about age 36.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Emma De MORTAIGNE was born about 1065 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1080 in Huesca, Spain 1997,1998. Another name for Emma was Emma De MORTAIN.
8044388425 ii. Agnes De MORTAGNE (born about 1036 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France)
iii. Denise De MORTAIGNE was born about 1070 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France and died in 1090 1999 about age 20. Another name for Denise was Denise De MORTAIN.
iv. William De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall was born before 1084 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 2000 and died in 1140 in Bermondsey, London, England (As A Cluniac Monk) 2000.
Robert next married Almodis 1996 before 1085 in 2ND Wife.1996 Almodis was born about 1055 in France and died in 1107 about age 52.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Miss De MORTAIGNE was born about 1086 in Cardinan, Cornwall, England.
16088776851. Maud De MONTGOMERY,415,1965,1996 daughter of Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury and Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON, was born about 1049 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died about 1085 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1270 about age 36.
General Notes: He [Robert, Count of Mortain] m. 1stly, before 1066, Maud, daughter of Robert de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, Seigneur of Alencon and Belleme). She was buried in the Abbey of Grestain. He m. 2ndly, Almodis. He d. 8 Dec 1090, and was buried with his 1st wife. [Complete Peerage III:427-8 as corrected by XIV:207]
Maud married Robert De MORTAIGNE Earl Of Cornwall 891,896,1995 before 1066 in 1st Wife.1996 Robert was born about 1031 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 1965,1995 and died on 8 December 1095 in Abbey Of St. Grestain, Normandy, France 1965,1995 about age 64. Another name for Robert was Robert De MORTAIN Earl Of Cornwall.
16088776860. Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY,415,2001,2002 son of Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY and Hawise Of NORMANDY, was born about 999 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France 2001 and died from 7 January 1078 to 1079 2001,2002 about age 79.
General Notes: GEOFFREY, DUKE OF BRITTANY, married Hawise, daughter of Richard I, DUKE OFNORMANDY, and died in 1008, leaving two sons, Alan and Eudon. During their mother's lifetime the two brothers seem to have been joint rulers of Brittany, but on her death, on 21 February 1034, dissensions broke out between them; peace was restored by a settlement under which Eudon received a territory corresponding roughly to the dioceses of Dol, St. Mialo, St. Brieuc and Tréguier, reduced in the hands of his successors to the two last-named dioceses, while Alan retained the rest of Brittany. After the death of Alan in 1040 Eudon seized the government of Brittany to the exclusion of his nephew Conan, who recovered it in 1057. Eudon died 7 January 1079. He married Orguen, whose parentage is unknown. [Complete Peerage X:779-81, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: In the chart on X:781, CP notes that it is unsure if Orguen was mother of Stephen, although CP mentions no other wife. AR does indicate that Stephen was son of Agnes, probably daughter of Alan Canhiart.
Note: According to the chart on CP:781, Geoffrey had two different sons named Alan, Count of Brittany, Lord of Richmond: Alan "The Red", dsp. 4 Aug 1089 and Alan "The Black", dsp. 1093. He also had possibly elder sons (Geoffrey, d. 24 Aug 1093, & Brian, Count of Brittany, held Cornwall, living 1069) and younger sons (William, Robert, & Richard).
Eudes married Unknown MISTRESS. Unknown was born about 1000 in France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Bardolf Of RAVENSWORTH was born about 1045 in Brittany, France and died in 1120 in Ravensworth, Richmond, North Riding Yorkshire, England about age 75. Another name for Bardolf was Bardolf FITZEUDES Of Ravensworth.
ii. Ribald Lord Of MIDDLEHAM was born about 1055 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France and died in 1121 in Middleham, North Riding Yorkshire, England 2003 about age 66. Another name for Ribald was Ribald FITZEUDES Lord Of Middleham.
Eudes next married Orguen 2004 in 1st Wife.2004 Orguen was born about 1000 in France and died after 1056 2004.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Robert Seigneur D' IVRY & Breval was born about 1024 in Breval, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1060 in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France 2005. Another name for Robert was Robert Seigneur De BREVAL.
ii. William De RAMSEY Of Brittany was born about 1040 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France. Another name for William was William De RAMSAY Of Brittany.
iii. Matilda De BRITTANY was born about 1043 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France.
Eudes next married Agnes Canhiart Of CORNOUAILLE 2006 after 1056 in 2ND Wife.2006 Agnes was born about 1025 in Cornouaille, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776861. Agnes Canhiart Of CORNOUAILLE,415,2006 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1025 in Cornouaille, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
Agnes married Eudes Count Of Penthievre & BRITTANY 2001,2002 after 1056 in 2ND Wife.2006 Eudes was born about 999 in Penthievre, Morbihan, Bretagne, France 2001 and died from 7 January 1078 to 1079 2001,2002 about age 79.
16088776912. Ranulph Le MESCHIN Viscount Of Bayeux,415,1022,2007 son of Ranulph Vicomte Of BESSIN and Alice Of NORMANDY, was born about 1050 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after April 1089 in Lord Of Cumberland & Carlisle, England 2008.
Ranulph married Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester 1022,2009 about 1069 in Normandy, France. Margaret was born about 1054 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Matilda Le MESCHIN was born about 1069 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.
16088728202 iii. William Le MESCHIN Lord Of Copeland (born about 1078 in Gernon Castle, Normandy, France - died in 1130 of Egrement & Copeland, Cumberland, England)
16088776913. Margaret D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Chester,415,1022,2009 daughter of Richard Le GOZ Viscount D'avranches and Emma De CONTEVILLE, was born about 1054 in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France.
Margaret married Ranulph Le MESCHIN Viscount Of Bayeux 1022,2007 about 1069 in Normandy, France. Ranulph was born about 1050 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after April 1089 in Lord Of Cumberland & Carlisle, England 2008.
16088776914. Turold Sheriff Of LINCOLN,415,505,2010 son of Thorold Of COVENTRY and Unknown, was born about 1015 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) and died before 1079 in Buckinghamshire, England 1697. Another name for Turold was Thorold Of BUCKINGHAM Sheriff Of Lincoln.
Turold married Alvarissa MALET.2011 Alvarissa was born about 1048 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388457 i. Lucy (Lucia) Of MERCIA (born about 1070 in Crowland & Spalding, Lincolnshire, England - died in 1141)
Turold next married.
16088776915. Alvarissa MALET,415,2011 daughter of William I MALET Sheriff York, Sire De Graville and Hesilia (Elise) CRISPIN, was born about 1048 in Graville St Honorine, Normandy, France.
General Notes:
The following posts to SGM postulate that Alvarissa married Alfgar Earl of Mercia and was mother of Lucy who married Ivo de Taillebois. The main reasoning behind this marriage was because she was supposed to be mother of Lucy (and Lucy was thought to be daughter of Alfgar). However Keat-Rohan (see notes under Lucy of Mercia) proposes that Lucy was a daughter of Turold Sheriff of Lincoln by a daughter of William Malet; therefore I believe that this same "Alvarissa" was married to Turold and not to Alfgar. I now see no reason to have a daughter of William Malet being married to Alfgar Earl of Mercia.
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In a message dated 10/7/98 11:43:15 AM, [email protected] writes:
<<Ken, Where in Faris' Plantagenet Ancestry does it give Aelfgar III and Alvarissa Malet? I can't find those pages?>>
If this is _not_ the case, I surely want to know. I do not have a copy at my office, but my notes say the marriages of Aelfgar are found in Faris, TPA, 140:8i, 191:9, 270:9ii, 210:8. Also Weis, MCS, 4th ed., 12-11. Ist wife Elgiva, d/o Ethelred the Unready, issue: Agatha m 1) Harald 2) Griffith ap Llewelyn, Morkere, Bouchard, Eadwine. Wife 2: Alvarissa Malet, d/o William Malet and Elise Crispin. Issue: Lucy, m Ivo Talyboys.
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In a message dated 9/30/98 12:38:45 PM, [email protected] writes:
<< This little article by Katherine Keats-Rohan summarizes and builds upon a century's worth of progress on the issue. While the "antecessores" clause is subject to some interpretation, this theory is preferable to the spurious and problematic Crowland charter. >>
I have received some wonderful information, both online and offline on this subject.
I see that everyone is tending to accept that Lucy is not Godiva's granddaughter and I appreciate the reasoning behind it. Yet, two things puzzle me greatly and pull me away from this modern interpretation. One is the naming patterns in the following generations.
(1) 1 Leofric III --Lord Coventry, Earl Mercia, Leicester 1
b. 0975, of Mercia, England
d. 31 Aug 1057, Bromley, Staffordshire, England
& Godiva --Lady of Lincoln 2
b. abt 0980, of Mercia, England
d. 10 Sep 1067
m. bef 1030
(2) 1a Alfgar III --Earl Mercia* 3
d. 1062
& Alvarissa Malet
(3) 1a Lucy Talboys* 4
& Ivo Talboys --Earl of Anjou 5
(4) 1 William de Tailbois
b. of Lancaster, England
& Margaret Tailbois
(5) 1 Goditha Tailbois/Lancaster & Gilbert de Lancaster --4th Baron Kendal
Notice that Lucy's granddaughter is named Goditha. Why, if Lucy is not Godiva's granddaughter, would her grandchild be named after Godiva? It is such a common naming pattern. If Lucy's parents were Turold the Sheriff and a daughter of William Malet, as suggested by Katherine Keats-Rohan, there would be no relationship at all with Godiva and no reason for the name to appear in the person of Lucy's granddaughter. I realize that the name is not spelled the same, but certainly it is the same name.
Neither Lucy's birth date nor death date are known. Leofric d in 1057 at age 85. Godiva died ten years later at age 87. Their son Aelfgar died in 1062, five years before her mother. If Lucy was 15 when she had her first child, she would have been born around 1047. She would have been only 19 at the time of the Conquest. There are no chronological problems.
_The Complete Peerage_ says: "The link between Lucy and Aelfgar is the manor of Spalding, County Lincoln, which was held by Aelfgar before the Conquest and by Lucy's first husband, Ives Taillebois (in her right), at the time of Domesday. No close family connection between Aelfgar and Lucy is mentioned in any contemporary document, and chronology is opposed to the relationship of father and daughter. Moreover, the only known children of Aelfgar are Edwin, Morcar and Aeldgitha, wife of Harold, and consequently the passing of the manor of Spalding cannot be held to justify the inference that Aelfgar (a) was father of Lucy."
The second thing that bothers me is the land transfers. It is the basis of the Keats-Rohan argument. But if Lucy's father was Aelfgar III who married Alvarissa Malet daughter of William Mallet and William married the daughter of Thorold the Sheriff, then the naming patterns are consistent and the land transactions make sense.
Complete Peerage: "Other manors of Thorold which passed to Lucy are Belchford, Scamblesby, Stenigot, Tetney and Donington. (a) Lucy also held Alkborough, (b) which had belonged in the time of the Confessor to William Malet, (c) father of Lucy's uncle Robert Malet. If Lucy's mother was William Malet's daughter, this may have been her maritagium; and the fact that Thorold gave tithes in this place (d) has been advanced as evidence that he was her husband."
Though I accept that the evidence is unclear, I can find no more weight to one argument than the other.
- Ken
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In a message dated 10/7/98 2:32:24 AM, [email protected] writes:
<<Is he Godiva's brother? Is he Lucy's dad? Is he sheriff of Lincoln and / or Nottingham? Is he related to Hereward's sworn enemy Abbot Thorold of Peterborough? Our main car park in Maidenhead is named after him His name (like Godiva's) comes in every conceivable version. >>
There is more than one Thorold. I am willing to accept the traditional view that he was actually Godiva's father and sheriff of Lincoln as recorded by Faris in _The Plantagenet Ancestry_. After all the electrons 'spilled' here and all the ink 'spilled' elsewhere, this is still befuddled.
This is one of the last puzzles I was trying to conclude before actually printing THE ANCESTRY OF ELIZABETH OF YORK. Marlyn Lewis, the compiler, has kept the ancestry along the traditional lines as recorded by Faris and Turton, i.e, Lucy's father is the son of Leofric and Lady Godiva. Even though some modernists believe that the Leofric connection is invalid, I still tend to think that it makes more sense than the alternatives, therefore I am solving the problem by noting that the connection is disputed and printing the traditional information anyway.
There are several reasons for so doing:
CP: "The link between Lucy and Aelfgar is the manor of Spalding, County Lincoln, which was held by Aelfgar before the Conquest and by Lucy's first husband, Ives Taillebois (in her right), at the time of Domesday. Other manors of Thorold which passed to Lucy are Belchford, Scamblesby, Stenigot, Tetney and Donington. (a) Lucy also held Alkborough, (b) which had belonged in the time of the Confessor to William Malet, (c) father of Lucy's uncle Robert Malet. If Lucy's mother was William Malet's daughter, this may have been her maritagium; and the fact that Thorold gave tithes in this place (d) has been advanced as evidence that he was her husband... the only known children of Aelfgar are Edwin, Morcar and Aeldgitha, wife of Harold, and consequently the passing of the manor of Spalding cannot be held to justify the inference that Aelfgar was father of Lucy. "
The Croyland Charter is dismissed because it is a late or forged charter--not quite contemporary--rewritten by the clergy to justify their possession of lands, as is the case with most forged charters. That does not necessarily mean that the genealogical information is absolutely false, but it does mean "stop, look and listen." Nor does that fact that Lucy was not mentioned as Aelfgar's daughter mean that she was absolutely not his daughter. The only daughter mentioned was Agatha (Aeldgitha) who married Harold II--killed at Hastings and she married a very famous figure. This is neither proof nor disproof that Lucy was her sister.
Regarding the confusion about the Lancasters, it seems that the monks were confused and had the wrong information. "To this the monkish chroniclers have added the fiction that he was the son of Ketel, son of Eldred, son of Ivo Taillebois (Mon Angl iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem Soc (New Series) xxxix 305), whereas he was almost, if not quite, contemporary with Ivo."
Richard Borthwick wrote: "If Lucy had a son by Ivo, presumably he would have been heir to her lands and thence to the Lancaster family. From what I can recall this is not what happened." An answer may be that the son, William, died before his sister Beatrice. Then he would have been capable of inheriting only a very small (4x8) plot of land. Beatrice, married Ribald, the illegitimate son of Eudes. Also, Ivo had at least one--if not more--illegitimate children. William may not have been Lucy's offspring, but still a son of Ivo.
Faris has Aelfgar III married to Alvarissa Malet, daughter of William Malet. Though Alfgar died in 1061, before the conquest, this marriage could still be valid. Their daughter, according to this reconstruction, was Lucy.
Though this scenario seems to make the most sense to me, it will likely never be proven. Neither will any alternative scenario be proven. For all the revisionist 'ink spilled', and all the trillions of rearranged electrons, no proof is obtainable now or in the future unless the future sees a major archaeological discovery. Therefore, one can let the emotional side have some weight ... and there is an emotional side:
Lady Godiva is one of the most famous of all women in the entire span of history. The legend of her ride through the village stark naked on a horse has inspired adolescent boys to late night visions for a thousand years. Each and every one of these boys have become the 'peeping Tom' who could not help but gaze upon that erotic scene.
If Lady Godiva is to remain in the historical record as a Plantagenet ancestor, then the scenario of her family connections cannot--and should not be--summarily discarded. To do so is a disservice to her memory and the fantasies of young boys throughout the ages.
Kenneth Harper Finton
Editor/ Publisher
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Alvarissa married Turold Sheriff Of LINCOLN.2010 Turold was born about 1015 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) and died before 1079 in Buckinghamshire, England 1697. Another name for Turold was Thorold Of BUCKINGHAM Sheriff Of Lincoln.
16088776916. Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND,415,417,642,670,774,775,1167,1168,1169,1598,1600,1601,1602,1745,1746 son of William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND and Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England, was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
General Notes:
Henry I was born in the year 1068---a factor he himself regarded as highly significant, for he was the only son of the Conqueror born after the conquest of England, and to Henry this meant he was heir to the throne. He was not an attractive proposition: he was dissolute to a degree, producing at least a score of bastards; but far worse he was prone to sadistic cruelty---on one occasion, for example, personally punishing a rebellious burgher by throwing him from the walls of his town.
At the death of William the Conqueror, Henry was left no lands, merely 5,000 pounds of silver. With these he bought lands from his elder brother Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, only to see them taken back again a few years later by Robert, in unholy alliance with his brother William Rufus.
Henry could do little to avenge such treatment, but in England he found numerous barons who were tired of the exactions and ambitions of their king. He formed alliances with some of these, notably with the important de Clare family. He and some of the de Clares were with William Rufus on his last hunting expedition, and it is thought that the king's death was the result of Henry's plotting.
Certainly he moved fast to take advantage of it; leaving Rufus's body unattended in the woods, he swooped down on Winchester to take control of the treasury. Two days later he was in Westminster, being crowned by the Bishop of London. His speed is understandable when one realises that his elder brother, Robert [Curthose], was returning from the crusade, and claimed, with good reason, to be the true heir.
Henry showed great good sense in his first actions as King. He arrested Ranulph Flambard, William's tax-gatherer, and recalled Anselm, the exiled Archbishop. Furthermore, he issued a Charter of Liberties which promised speedy redress of grievances, and a return to the good government of the Conqueror. Putting aside for the moment his many mistresses, he married the sister of the King of Scots, who was descended from the royal line of Wessex; and lest the Norman barons should think him too pro-English in this action, he changed her name from Edith to Matilda. No one could claim that he did not aim to please.
In 1101 Robert Curthose invaded, but Henry met him at Alton, and persuaded him to go away again by promising him an annuity of £2,000. He had no intention of keeping up the payments, but the problem was temporarily solved.
He now felt strong enough to move against dissident barons who might give trouble in the future. Chief amongst these was the vicious Robert of Bellême, Earl of Shrewsbury, whom Henry had known for many years as a dangerous troublemaker. He set up a number of charges against him in the king's court, making it plain that if he appeared for trial he would be convicted and imprisoned. Thus Robert and his colleagues were forced into rebellion at a time not of their own choosing, were easily defeated and sent scuttling back to Normandy.
In Normandy Robert Curthose began to wreak his wrath on all connected with his brother, thus giving Henry an excellent chance to retaliate with charges of misgovernment and invade. He made two expeditions in 1104-5, before the great expedition of 1106 on which Robert was defeated at the hour-long battle of Tinchebrai, on the anniversary of Hastings. No one had expected such an easy victory, but Henry took advantage of the state of shock resulting from the battle to annex Normandy. Robert was imprisoned (in some comfort, it be said); he lived on for 28 more years, ending up in Cardiff castle whiling away the long hours learning Welsh. His son William Clito remained a free agent, to plague Henry for most of the rest of his reign.
In England the struggle with Anselm over the homage of bishops ran its course until the settlement of 1107. In matters of secular government life was more simple: Henry had found a brilliant administrator, Roger of Salisbury, to act as Justiciar for him. Roger had an inventive mind, a keen grasp of affairs, and the ability to single out young men of promise. He quickly built up a highly efficient team of administrators, and established new routines and forms of organisation within which they could work. To him we owe the Exchequer and its recording system of the Pipe Rolls, the circuits of royal justiciars spreading the king's peace, and the attempts at codification of law. Henry's good relationships with his barons, and with the burgeoning new towns owed much to skilful administration. Certainly he was able to gain a larger and more reliable revenue this way than by the crude extortion his brother had used.
In 1120 came the tragedy of the White Ship. The court was returning to England, and the finest ship in the land was filled with its young men, including Henry's son and heir William. Riotously drunk, they tried to go faster and faster, when suddenly the ship foundered. All hands except a butcher of Rouen were lost, and England was without an heir.
Henry's benefactions to the Church caused the monkish historians to palliate his sins and to find excuses for his lust; but they could not avert the fatal consequence. When the White Ship was wrecked on the deadly rock, a boat was launched and the King's only legitimate son and heir was being rowed to safety. It was the cries of his illegitimate half-sister, the Countess of Perche, which induced him to return to the wreck, where they sank together. [THE COMPLETE PEERAGE, Volume XI, Appendix D, pp. 105-121]
Henry's only legitimate child was Matilda, but she was married to the Emperor Henry V of Germany, and so could not succeed. But in 1125 her husband died, and Henry brought her home and forced the barons to swear fealty to her---though they did not like the prospect of a woman ruler. Henry then married her to Geoffrey of Anjou, the Normans' traditional enemy, and the barons were less happy---especially when the newly-weds had a terrible row, and Geoffrey ordered her out of his lands. In 1131 Henry, absolutely determined, forced the barons to swear fealty once more, and the fact that they did so is testimoney of his controlling power. Matilda and Geoffrey were reunited, and in 1133 she produced a son whom she named for his grandfather. If only Henry could live on until his grandson was old enough to rule, all would be well.
But in 1135, against doctor's orders, he ate a hearty meal of lampreys, got acute indigestion, which turned into fever, and died. He was buried at his abbey in Reading---some said in a silver coffin, for which there was an unsuccessful search at the Dissolution. [Source: Who's Who in the Middle Ages, John Fines, Barnes & Noble Books, New York, 1995]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1100-1135.
Henry married Sibyl (Adela) (Lucy) CORBET Lady Of Alcester 893,1601,1748 about 1105 in No Marriage 390,630,893.,1747 Sibyl was born about 1092 in Longden, Pontesbury, Shropshire, England 389,390 and died after 1157 in <, Alcester, Warwick, England> 389,390,1747. Another name for Sibyl was Annora or Lucy.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Partners: Abt 1090. 1701,1702,1713,1749
Henry next married Several MISTRESSES 1601,1750 in No Marriage 389,390,1095.,1750 Several was born about 1070 in England & France.
Henry next married Edith FITZFORNE Baroness Of Greystoke 1464,1601 about 1089 in No Marriage 389,390.,1095 Edith was born about 1072 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England,389,390,1753 died in 1152 389,390,773,1753 about age 80, and was buried in Oseney Abbey, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.389,390,1753
Marriage Notes: Mistress of Henry I
_STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
Henry next married Isabel (Elizabeth) De BEAUMONT 1601,1754,1755 in No Marriage.1754 Isabel was born about 1098 in Leicester, , Leicestershire, England,389,390 was christened in , Leicester, Leicestershire, England,389,390 and died from 6 January 1147 to 1148 in Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390 about age 49.
Henry next married Edith 1750 in No Marriage.1750 Edith was born about 1070 in England.
Henry next married Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew,1601,1758,1759,1760,1761,1762 daughter of Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth and Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON, about 1098 in No Marriage 389,390,726,1095,1750.,1757 Nest was born about 1073 of Dynevor, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390,1762 and died about 1163 about age 90.
Henry next married Matilda "Atheling" SCOTLAND Queen Of England,1599,1600,1601 daughter of Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND and St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland, on 11 November 1100 in Westminster Abbey, London, England 389,390,726,1600,1750.,1757 Matilda was born in October 1079 in Dunfermline, Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland,389,390,1600 died on 1 May 1118 in Westminster, London, Middlesex, England 389,390,1600 at age 38, and was buried in June 1118 in Church Of St Peter, Westminster, Middlesex, England.389,390
Noted events in her life were:
• Title: Queen of England, 1 December 1135-July 1136, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390
• Title: Princess of Scotland, , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. 390
Henry next married Adeliza (Adela) Of LOUVAIN,1595,1598,1599 daughter of Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant and Ida De Chiny & NAMUR, from 29 January 1120 to 1121 in Windsor Castle, Berkshire, England 1598,1599.,1600 Adeliza was born about 1103 in Brabant, Netherlands,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligem Nunnery, Brabant, Belgium (As A Nun) 1595,1599 about age 48, and was buried in Affligem Abbey, Brabant, Belgium. Another name for Adeliza was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Henry next married Adelicia Princess Of BRABANT Queen Of England 1595,1598,1599,1601 from 24 January 1120 to 1121 in , Windsor, Berkshire, England 389,390,1598,1599,1764.,1765 Adelicia was born about 1094 in Of, , Brabant, Netherlands,389,390,1599 died on 23 April 1151 in Affligham, Flanders, France 389,390,1595,1599 about age 57, and was buried on 23 April 1151 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390 Another name for Adelicia was Adelicia Of LORRAINE.
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Queen of England, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,417,1764,1765
• Unknown: Princess of Brabant, <Brabant, Antwerp, Belgium, Netherlands>. 390,417,1765
Henry next married Ansfride De SPARSHALT Concubine 2 about 1086 in <, , , England> 389,390.,1095 Ansfride was born about 1069 in <, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England> 389,390 and was buried in Abington Abbey, Abington, Berkshire, England.389,390
Marriage Notes: _STATConcubinage
CHAN26 Feb 2002
16088776917. Sibyl (Adela) (Lucy) CORBET Lady Of Alcester,415,670,893,1601,1746,1748 daughter of Robert Fitz CORBET and Unknown, was born about 1092 in Longden, Pontesbury, Shropshire, England 389,390 and died after 1157 in <, Alcester, Warwick, England> 389,390,1747. Another name for Sibyl was Annora or Lucy.
General Notes:
Sibyl (or Adela or Lucia) Corbet, living 1157, daughter and coheir of Robert Corbet, mistress of Henry I, lady of Alcester, co. Warwick and of Pontesbury and Woodcote, co. Salop (by Henry I she was mother of Reginald Fitz Roy, Earl of Cornwall). [Ancestral Roots]
The following additional info was supplied by Curt Hofemann, [email protected]:
no evidence to prove that Henry I married Sibyl [Ref: Sheppard Apr65 p96]
It is because of Henry I's personal propensities that we know something of two Corbet women who occur in the records of this period. Of his numerous mistresses Sibyl Corbet, elder daughter of Robert fitz Corbet of Longden, must have been a favourite since she bore four, possibly five, of Henry's illegitimate children. [Ref: CP XI Appendix D]
She had a younger sister Alice. Where, when and how the liaison began between Henry and Sibyl is a mystery. He had already had children by various mistresses: among the oldest must have been Juliane, who married Eustace de Pacy lord of Breteuil in 1103, and rebelled against her father; and Robert, born of an unknown woman of Caen, who was created earl of Gloucester by his father in 1122. [Ref Corbet citing: CP V:683: the suggestion that he was the son of Sibyl Corbet is probably correct]
The known children by Sibyl Corbet were Rainaud de Dunstanville, his brother William and sisters Gundred and Rohese; it is also possible, but not certain, that Sibyl was the mother of the king's illegitimate daughter Sibyl who was married to Alexander after he became king of the Scots in 1107. [Ref: Corbet citing: A.C. Lawrie, Early Scottish Charters, Glasgow 1905:charter XXXVI to Scone Priory, Alexander I, c. 1120, witnessed by Queen Sibyl and her brother William; she died 12 June 1122 on an island in Loch Tay to which Alexander granted charter XLVII, to canons of Scone]
Note 1: Sheppard = Walter Lee Sheppard, Royal Bye-Blows II: The Illegitimate Royal Offspring from Edward III To Queen Anne, NEHGR vol 21, 1967.
Note 2: Corbet = The Corbett Study Group, http://website.lineone.net/~corbett_group/First/people.htm
specifically: The Anglo Norman Corbets by Barbara Coulton.
The following material was excerpted from The Corbet Study Group, J.C. Nobel, online at
http://website.lineone.net/~corbett_group/First/people.htm:
The Anglo Norman Corbets by Barbara Coulton
Prominent at Matilda's 'court' were several connections of the Corbet family through Sibyl and her sister Alice. Sibyl had married Herbert fitz Herbert, a son of the chamberlain of Henry I; Alice married a kinsman of Brien fitz Count, of Wallingford, one of the empress's main supporters: he was William Boterel of Botreaux. Sibyl's son Herbert fitzHerbert married Lucy, daughter of Miles earl of Hereford. . . .
We do not know when or where Sibyl and her sister Alice died, but there is an odd footnote to their history in an old account of Asthall church in Oxfordshire. "On the north side of the church ... is the effigy of a female figure recumbent, on a stone coffin, situated within an elegantly Gothic arch. It is said to contain the remains of Alice Corbett, concubine to King Henry I., the daughter of Sir Robert Corbett of Warwickshire." So a memory lingered, though confused.
Note: Was this "confused" effigy of Sibyl rather than Alice? Or was Alice also a mistress of Henry I?
Sibyl married Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND 1598,1600,1601,1602 about 1105 in No Marriage 390,630,893.,1747 Henry was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
16088776918. Robert FITZHAMON Lord Of Thoringni & Tewkesbury,415,1210,1370,1372,1375,1664,1707,1710,1713,1970,2012 son of Hamon De LORD THORINGNI & TEWKESBURY and Unknown, was born about 1055 in Cruelly, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375 died from 10 March 1106 to 1107 at the Battle Of Falaise 1372,1375,1700,1713 about age 51, and was buried in Earl Of Gloucester. Lord Of Corboil..1375,1707 Another name for Robert was Robert Fitzhamon EARL OF GLOUCESTER.
General Notes:
An undoubted Earl of Gloucester, perhaps the first authentic one, at any rate after the Conquest, is Robert FitzHamon's son-in-law, another Robert, who was an illegitimate son of Henry I and was so created 1122. The Earldom passed to his eldest son, William FitzRobert, and from him to John, later King John and husband from 1189 to 1199 (when he divorced her) of Isabel, the youngest of William FitzRobert's three daughters. On John's coming to the throne the title did not merge in the Crown for it was not his in his own right but in right of his wife. [From Burke's Peerage-see source for details]
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1105. 1270
Robert married Sibyl De MONTGOMERIE 1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1713,1970 about 1084 in Normandy, France 1372,1375,1664,1666,1713.,1970 Sibyl was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France 1372,1375,1970 and died in 1107 1372,1375,1970 at age 49.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388459 i. Mabel FITZHAMON (born about 1094 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England - died in 1157 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England)
16088776919. Sibyl De MONTGOMERIE,415,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1713,1970 daughter of Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury and Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON, was born in 1058 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France 1372,1375,1970 and died in 1107 1372,1375,1970 at age 49.
Sibyl married Robert FITZHAMON Lord Of Thoringni & Tewkesbury 1210,1370,1372,1375,1664,1707,1710,1713,1970,2012 about 1084 in Normandy, France 1372,1375,1664,1666,1713.,1970 Robert was born about 1055 in Cruelly, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375 died from 10 March 1106 to 1107 at the Battle Of Falaise 1372,1375,1700,1713 about age 51, and was buried in Earl Of Gloucester. Lord Of Corboil..1375,1707 Another name for Robert was Robert Fitzhamon EARL OF GLOUCESTER.
Sibyl next married about 1084 in Normandy, France.
16088776920. Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT,415,1382,2013,2014,2015,2016 son of Amaury II Seigneur De MONTFORT and Bertrade (Berteis) De GOMETZ, was born about 1030 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,1382 died about 1087 2016,2017 about age 57, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
General Notes:
THE ANCESTORS OF SIMON DE MONTFORT EARL OF LEICESTER (II)
Simon de Montfort, son and heir. He is styled son of Amauri by Orderic. In 1058 he attested a charter of Henry I to St. Germain-des-Pres. About 1063 he took a leading part in persuading Duke William to recall Ralph de Tosny and Hugh de Grandmesnil from exile. On 13 Apr 1066 he was at Fecamp with William and his court, and attested an Act for the Abbey of Coulumbs. In the same year, at Meulan, Simon and his wife (unnamed) confirmed a gift by Richard FitzHerluin of certain lands in "villa sancti Hilari" to the same abbey, the said lands being part of the inheritance of Simon's wife. In 1067 Simon witnessed, in Paris, a charter of Philip I to St. Martin-des-Champs, and in 1072, with his son Amauri, attested another charter of the same king, confirming the gift to St. Magloire by "quidam miles de castro qui Montefortis vocatur Symon nomine" of the churches of St. Peter and St. Laurence situate "in eodem castro".
Simon married three times. His 1st wife is said to have been Isabel, daughter of Hugh Bardoul, Seigneur of Brozes, and dame de Nogent; the name of the 2nd wife is unknown, and there is no proved issue of the 2nd marriage. By his 1st wife he had a son Amauri, who succeeded him, and a daughter Isabel or Elizabeth, who m. Ralph de Tosny. He m. 3rdly, Agnes, sister and in her issue heiress of William, 3rd Count of Evreux in Normandy, being also stepsister to Ralph de Tosny, and daughter of Richard, 2nd Count of Evreux. By her he appears to have had Richard and Simon, who, in turn succeeded their half-brother Amauri, and William (e); and he certainly had by her a son Amauri, who succeeded the last-named Simon, and a daughter Bertrade (f). Simon d. in or shortly after 1087, and was buried at Epernon. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1]
(e) He [William] was a clerk, and attested in 1093 as William, son of Simon de Montfort.
(f) She [Bertrade] m. as his 4th wife, Fulk IV, Count of Anjou. She deserted him for Philip I of France.
Simon married Isabella De BROYES Dame De Nogent,2016,2018 daughter of Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROYES and Elizabeth De SOURS, about 1055 in 1st Wife 2016.,2018 Isabella was born about 1034 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1058 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France. Other names for Isabella were Isabel De BROZES Dame De Nogent-Le-Roi,2015, and2016 Isabella De Broyes Dame De NOGENT.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Amaury III Segineur De MONTFORT was born about 1051 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2019 and died about 1089 in Slain Invading Lands Of William Breteuil (Dsp) 2019 about age 38.
ii. Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTFORT was born about 1058 in Montfort-L'amaury Castle, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1102 in As A Nun 2020.
Simon next married Agnes D' EVREUX 1379,1382,2016,2017 about 1064 in 3rd Wife 1379,1382.,2016 Agnes was born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France.1382
Children from this marriage were:
i. Richard Seigneur De MONTFORT was born about 1065 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France, died in 1092 in Slain In Attack On Abbey At Conches (Dsp) 2019 about age 27, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
ii. Simon II Seigneur De MONTFORT was born about 1067 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1101 in (Dsp) 2019.
iv. Bertrade (Bertrada\Beatrice) De MONTFORT [Queen Of France] was born about 1073 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390 and died from 14 February 1116 to 1117 in Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 about age 43.
v. Guillaume De MONTFORT [Bishop Of Paris] was born about 1073 in Of, Montfort Amaury, Ile DE France, France and died on 27 August 1101 about age 28.
vi. Adeliza De MONTFORT was born about 1075 in Of, Montfort, Normandy, France.
Simon next married Elizabeth De BROYES. Elizabeth died after 1066.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Isabel De MONTFORT.
16088776921. Agnes D' EVREUX,415,1379,1382,2016,2017 daughter of Richard Comte D' EVREUX and Godheut, was born about 1040 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France.1382
General Notes:
He [Simon de Montfort] m. 3rdly, Agnes, sister and in her issue heiress of William, 3rd Count of Evreux in Normandy, being also stepsister to Ralph de Tosny, and daughter of Richard, 2nd Count of Evreux. By her he appears to have had Richard and Simon, who, in turn succeeded their half-brother Amauri, and William (e); and he certainly had by her a son Amauri, who succeeded the last-named Simon, and a daughter Bertrade (f). Simon d. in or shortly after 1087, and was buried at Epernon. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:710-1]
Agnes married Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT 1382,2013,2014,2015,2016 about 1064 in 3rd Wife 1379,1382.,2016 Simon was born about 1030 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,1382 died about 1087 2016,2017 about age 57, and was buried in Epernon, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.
16088776922. Anselm De GARLANDE De Rochefort 415,1717 was born about 1072 in Garlande, Bagneux, Essone, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1118 in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1717 about age 46.
Anselm married Beatrix De MONTLHERY 1382 about 1094 in Montlhery, France. Beatrix was born about 1077 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France and died in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Beatrix was Miss De ROCHEFORT-EN-YVELINES.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776923. Beatrix De MONTLHERY,415,1382 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1077 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France and died in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Beatrix was Miss De ROCHEFORT-EN-YVELINES.
Beatrix married Anselm De GARLANDE De Rochefort 1717 about 1094 in Montlhery, France. Anselm was born about 1072 in Garlande, Bagneux, Essone, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1118 in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1717 about age 46.
16088776936. Neel (Nigel) Constable Of CHESTER,415,2021 son of Ivo Vicomte De COTENTIN and Emma De BRITTANY, was born about 1043 in Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died in 1092 in Chester, Cheshire, England about age 49.
General Notes: Constable under Hugh Lupus, possibly Earl later
Neel married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088776938. Yarfrid Lord Of WIDNESS 415 was born about 1040 in Widness, Halton, Cheshire, England and died in 1134 in Halton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England about age 94.
Yarfrid married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388469 i. Miss De WIDNESS (born in 1062 in Halton, Runcorn, Cheshire, England)
16088776940. Ralph (Raoul) De GAND Seigneur D'alost,415,2022,2023,2024 son of Adalbert Count De GAND and Ermengarde De FLANDERS, was born in 1022 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died after 1058 in Aalst Sint-Pieter, Ghent, Belgium 2023. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De GANT.
General Notes: Rudolph I of Aalst (or Alost) (also called Ralph of Gand or Ghent), living 1058, Lord of Aalst (or Alost) in Flanders, hereditary Advocate or Protector of St Peter of Ghent 1036-1056. [Ancestral Roots]
Ralph married Gisele Of LUXEMBOURG 2022,2023,2025 in 1047 in Gand, Flanders Now Belgium. Gisele was born about 1010 in Luxemburg and died after 1058 in Chapel Of St Lawrence, Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2023.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Badouin I Comte De GAND was born about 1042 in Ghent, Flemish Region, Belgium and died about 23 April 1082 in Aalst Sint-Pieter, Ghent, Belgium 2026 about age 40.
16088776941. Gisele Of LUXEMBOURG,415,2022,2023,2025 daughter of Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG and Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 1010 in Luxemburg and died after 1058 in Chapel Of St Lawrence, Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2023.
General Notes: Gisele (or Gisla) of Luxembourg, living 1058, buried Chapel of St Lawrence, Ghent; m. Rudolph I of Aalst (or Alost) (also called Ralph of Gand or Ghent), living 1058, Lord of Aalst (or Alost) in Flanders, hereditary Advocate or Protector of St Peter of Ghent 1036-1056. [Ancestral Roots]
Gisele married Ralph (Raoul) De GAND Seigneur D'alost 2022,2023,2024 in 1047 in Gand, Flanders Now Belgium. Ralph was born in 1022 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died after 1058 in Aalst Sint-Pieter, Ghent, Belgium 2023. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De GANT.
16088776942. Hugh II Count De MONTFORT,415,880,905,1722 son of Hugh I De MONTFORT and Unknown, was born in 1020 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 905 about age 46.
General Notes: Hugh de Montfort, had issue by his first wife, two sons, viz., Robert, and Hugh. Hugh de Montfort had, besides these sons, a dau. by his 2nd wife, who m. Gilbert de Gant, and had issue, Hugh, living 1124, who, on account of his mother being so great an heiress, assumed the name of Montfort; and Ada, m. to Simon, Earl of Huntingdon. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, p. 377, Montfort, Barons Montfort]
Hugh married Alice De BEAUFFOU.905 Alice was born in 1033 in Beauffou, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388471 i. Alice Countess De MONTFORT (born in 1050 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France)
ii. Robert De MONTFORT was born in 1072 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France.
16088776943. Alice De BEAUFFOU,415,905 daughter of Richard De BEAUFFOU and Emme De BAYEUX, was born in 1033 in Beauffou, Normandy, France.
Alice married Hugh II Count De MONTFORT 880,905.,1722 Hugh was born in 1020 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France and died about 1066 905 about age 46.
16088777088. Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys,415,505,1034,1117 son of Cynfyn Ap GWERYSTAN Prince Of Powys and Angharad Verch MAREDUDD, was born about 1025 in Powis, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1075 1034 about age 50. Another name for Bleddyn was Bleddyn Ap MORIEN.
General Notes:
All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
Bleddyn Cynfyn ruled Powys 1063-1075
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From http://homepages.tesco.net/plk33/plk33/History/KingListBritain:
By 1063, Blethyn (Bleddyn) rules a mostly united Wales, and Powys is detached from Gwynedd & Deheubarth for, or by, his son.
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Bleddyn and his brother Rhiwallon were half-brothers of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn. Their mother, Angharad, married Cynfyn ap Gwerstan o the death of Llywelyn ap Seisyll. Cynfyn ap Bwerstan may have been a Powys nobleman; there is also some suggestion that he may have been half Saxon. Bleddyn remained a strong supporter of the Mercians in their battles against the Normans.
Bleddyn and Rhiwallon also had to contend with internal revolution. The sons of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, Maredudd and Idwal, attempted to reestablish their claim to the throne. However, they were also killed in the Battle of Mechain in 1070; Bleddyn now ruled without internal challenge.
He is reported to having been a generous king, giving to church and populous. He was the first king in over 100 years to revise the laws developed under Hywel Dda.
Unfortunately, in 1073, the Normans began their advance through north Wales, and defeated Bleddyn in a surprise attack. Weakened, he became vurnerable to his southern neighbor, Rhys ab Owain of Deheubarth. In 1075, Rhys betrayed Bleddyn, leading to his murder. However, Bleddyn's descendents became the main ruling family of Powys. [The Welsh Kings]
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During the later years of the reign of his half-brother, Gruffyd, the English had brought Wales into at least nominal subjection. Gruffyd was killed by the English 5 Aug 1063. Bleddyn and his brother Rhiwallon, having submitted to King Edward, were made rules of Gwynedd and Powys. The Normans who came with William the Conqueror soon encroached upon the Welsh who resisted them and Rhiwallon was slain in battle in 1070. Bleddyn was then the sole Ruler. [The Weaver Genealogy]
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In 1075, Bleddyn was killed by Rhys, the brother of Maredudd ab Owain, and Rhys in turn was likeed in 1078 by Caradog ap Gruffudd. Bleddyn's kingdom passed to his cousin, Trahaearn ap Caradog, but Trahaearn was killed, along with Caradog ap Gruffudd, in the battle of Mynydd Carn in 1081. [A History of Wales; John Davies]
Bleddyn married in 1st Wife.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Cadwgon Ap Bleddyn was born about 1070 in Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1111 1034 about age 41.
Bleddyn married Haer Verch CYNILLIN 1034 in 1st Wife. Haer was born about 1025 in Gest Near Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1050 in Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034. Another name for Haer was Haer Verch CYLLYN.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388544 i. Maredudd Ap BLEDDYN (born about 1047 in Monmouthshire, Wales - died about 1132)
ii. Cadwgon Ap BLEDDYN Of Nannau, King Of Powys was born about 1050 in Nannau, Caernarvonshire, Wales and died in 1112 about age 62.
iii. Gwenllian Verch BLEDDYN was born about 1056 in Monmouthshire, Wales.
Bleddyn next married.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Efa Ferch Bleddyn was born about 1058 in Montgomeryshire, Wales.1034
Bleddyn next married Miss Verch BROCHWEL before 1058 in 2ND Wife. Miss was born about 1040 in Anglesey, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Efa Verch BLEDDYN was born about 1058 in Montgomeryshire, Wales.
ii. Hunydd Verch BLEDDYN was born in 1067 in Montgomeryshire, Wales.
16088777089. Haer Verch CYNILLIN,415,505,1034 daughter of Cynillin Ap Y Blaidd RYDD and Unknown, was born about 1025 in Gest Near Penmorfa, Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034 and died after 1050 in Caernarvonshire, Wales 1034. Another name for Haer was Haer Verch CYLLYN.
Haer married Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys 1034,1117 in 1st Wife. Bleddyn was born about 1025 in Powis, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1075 1034 about age 50. Another name for Bleddyn was Bleddyn Ap MORIEN.
16088777090. Einudd Ap MORIEN,415,505,1034 son of Morien Ap MORGENEU and Gwenllian Verch RHYS, was born about 1052 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Einudd married Efa Verch LLEWELYN.1034 Efa was born about 1060 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
8044388545 i. Hunydd Verch EINUDD (born about 1078 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales)
ii. Ithel Ab EINUDD was born about 1100 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales.
16088777091. Efa Verch LLEWELYN,415,505,1034 daughter of Llywelyn Ap Dolffyn and Tangwystl Ferch Iorwerth, was born about 1060 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034
Efa married Einudd Ap MORIEN.1034 Einudd was born about 1052 in Dyffryn Clwyd, Denbighshire, Wales.1034
16088777092. Hywel Ap Ieuaf,1034 son of Ieuaf Ap Cadwgon and Unknown, was born est 1040 in Radnorshire, Wales.1034
Hywel married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388546 i. Gwrgeneu Ap HYWEL (born in 1075 in Radnorshire, Wales)
16088777094. Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth,505,1760,2027,2028 son of Tewdwr "Mawr-The Great" Ap CADELL King S. Wales and Unknown, was born about 1035 in Deheubarth, Wales and died in April 1093 in Killed Fighting Norman English In Brycheiniog, Wales 2028 about age 58. Another name for Rhys was Rhys Ap Tudor MAWR.
General Notes: Rhys ap Tewdwr, Prince of Deheubarth (technically Seisyllwg and Dyfed) 1153-97. [Burke's Peerage]
Rhys married Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON.2028 Gwladus was born about 1060 in Powys, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Princess Of Wales Nest Verch RHYS Heiress Of Carew was born about 1073 of Dynevor, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 389,390,1762 and died about 1163 about age 90.
8044388547 ii. Margred Verch RHYS (born in 1082 in Carmarthenshire, Wales)
iii. Gruffudd Ap RHYS Prince Of Deheubarth was born about 1090 in Dynevor Castle, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales 2029 and died in 1137 2029 about age 47.
Rhys next married Catrin Verch IESTYN, daughter of Iestyn (Jestyn) Ap GWRGAN Lord Of Glamorgan and Unknown, before 1084. Catrin was born about 1060 in Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Hywel Ap RHYS was born about 1085 in Deheubarth, Wales.
ii. Llewelyn Ddiriaid Ap RHYS was born about 1090.
16088777095. Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON,505,2028 daughter of Rhiwallon Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys and Unknown, was born about 1060 in Powys, Wales.
General Notes: Several internet sources have Gwladus married to Walter FitzOtho of Windsor. This is not supported by any of my sources (AR, BP, CP, etc.). I believe that it is an error. Walter's possible Welsh wife is Gladys verch Havallon.
Gwladus married Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth 1760,2027.,2028 Rhys was born about 1035 in Deheubarth, Wales and died in April 1093 in Killed Fighting Norman English In Brycheiniog, Wales 2028 about age 58. Another name for Rhys was Rhys Ap Tudor MAWR.
16088777096. Cynan Ab IAGO Prince Of North Wales,415,505,1034,2030 son of Iago Ab IDWAL and Afandreg Verch GWAIR, was born about 1004 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales.1034
General Notes: Exiled in Dublin. [Ancestral Roots]
Cynan married Ragnaillt O'olaf Of DUBLIN 1034.,2030 Ragnaillt was born about 1031 in Dublin, Ireland.1034
The child from this marriage was:
8044388548 i. Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd (born in 1055 in Dublin, Ireland - died in 1137 in Wales)
16088777097. Ragnaillt O'olaf Of DUBLIN,415,505,1034,2030 daughter of Olaf Sitricsson King Of DUBLIN and Maelcorcre Of LEINSTER, was born about 1031 in Dublin, Ireland.1034
Ragnaillt married Cynan Ab IAGO Prince Of North Wales 1034.,2030 Cynan was born about 1004 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales.1034
16088777098. Owain Ap EDWIN,415,505,1034,2031 son of Edwin Ap GRONWY and Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN, was born about 1044 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1105 1034 about age 61.
Owain married Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN.1034 Morwyl was born about 1044 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales.1034
Children from this marriage were:
8044388549 i. Angharat Verch OWAIN (born about 1065 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales - died in 1162)
16088724646 ii. Gronw Ap OWAIN (born about 1073 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales - died in 1124)
Owain next married Iwerydd Verch CYNFYN.1034 Iwerydd was born about 1024 in Powys, Wales.1034
16088777099. Morwyl Verch EDNYWAIN,415,505,1034 daughter of Ednywain I Ap NEINIAD and Gwerful Verch LLUDDICA, was born about 1044 in Tegaingl, Flintshire, Wales.1034
Morwyl married Owain Ap EDWIN 1034.,2031 Owain was born about 1044 in Llys Edwin, Llaneurguin, Flintshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1105 1034 about age 61.
16088777100. Trahaearn Ap CARADOG Prince Of North Wales,415,505,1034,2032 son of Caradog Ap GWYN and Ferch Gwerystan, was born about 1030 in Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1081 in Battle Of Carno, Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034,2032 about age 51.
Trahaearn married Nesta Verch GRUFFUDD 1034,2033,2034 before 1070 in Very Doubtful Marriage.2032 Nesta was born about 1057 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2032 and died in 1153 about age 96.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388550 i. Llywarch Ap TRAHAEARN (born about 1070 in Arwystli, Powys, Wales - died about 1129 in Wales)
ii. Owain Ap TRAHAEARN was born in 1071 in Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales.
16088777101. Nesta Verch GRUFFUDD,415,505,1034,2033,2034 daughter of Gruffudd Ap LLEWELYN Prince Of Wales and Edith (Aldgyth) Of MERCIA, was born about 1057 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2032 and died in 1153 about age 96.
Nesta married Trahaearn Ap CARADOG Prince Of North Wales 1034,2032 before 1070 in Very Doubtful Marriage.2032 Trahaearn was born about 1030 in Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1081 in Battle Of Carno, Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034,2032 about age 51.
Nesta next married Osbern FITZRICHARD Of Richard's Castle,2035,2036 son of Simon II De DAMMARTIN Count Of Aumale and Marie Countess Of PONTHIEU, before 1076 in 2ND Husband. Osbern was born in 1055 in Arwystle, Herefordshire, England and died after 1100 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England 2035,2036.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Hugh FITZOSBERN Of Richard's Castle was born about 1095 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England and died before 1140 2036.
16088777102. Iorwerth Ap CADWGON,415,505 son of Cadwgon Ap ELYSTAN Of Buillth and Efa Verch GWRGAN, was born about 1020 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales.
Iorwerth married Gwenllian Verch ARON. Gwenllian was born about 1042 in Cwm Aron, Ceri, Montgomeryshire, Wales.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388551 i. Dyddgu Verch IORWERTH (born about 1060 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales)
ii. Llewelyn Ab IORWERTH was born in 1074 in Radnorshire, Wales.
16088777103. Gwenllian Verch ARON,415,505 daughter of Aaron Ap PAEN and Unknown, was born about 1042 in Cwm Aron, Ceri, Montgomeryshire, Wales.
Gwenllian married Iorwerth Ap CADWGON. Iorwerth was born about 1020 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales.
16088777104. William CORBET Lord Of Worthen & Wattlesboro,415,505 son of Roger CORBET Lord Of Worthen and Unknown, was born about 1080 in Worthen, Forden, Shropshire, England and died after 1136 in Wattlesborough, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.
William married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777144. Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2037,2038,2039,2040 son of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS, was born about 895 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2041,2042 died on 16 June 956 in Deurdan, France 1436,1447,1524,2039,2043 about age 61, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Hugh were Magnus=The Great, Hugh Le Grand, Duke Of FRANCE, Hugues Le Grand Robertien, Duc Des FRANCS, Hugh Le GRAND Count Of Paris Duke Of France, Hugh Magnus Capet, Duke Of NUESTRIA, Hugh Magnus, Count Of PARIS, and Hugo I Den STORE.
General Notes:
French duke; son of King Robert I and father of Hugh Capet. Excluded from the succession on his father’s death by his brother-in-law Raoul, he supported the candidacy of Louis IV, the Carolingian heir, after Raoul’s death (936). Hugh hoped to rule through this weak king who had been raised in England. Louis IV attempted to increase his strength, however, and his reign was marked by warfare between king and vassal, in which Hugh, excommunicated (948) at the insistence of Louis, was forced to submit (950). Although Hugh never held the title of king, his vast possessions made him the virtual ruler of France.
Hugh married Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY 1524,1601,2044 before 14 September 938 in Mainz Oder, Ingelheim, Rheinland, Germany 2041.,2042 Hedwige was born in 910 in Saxony, Germany, died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2041 at age 55, and was buried on 10 May 965. Other names for Hedwige were Hedwige, Hartwige, Princess Of The GERMANS, and Hedwig Af SACHSEN.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Emma CAPET was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.
ii. Beatrice Princess Of FRANCE was born about 939 in Bourgogne, Champagne, France and died on 23 August 987 about age 48.
iii. Henry Count De NEVERS Duke Of Burgundy was born about 945 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1006 2046 about age 61. Another name for Henry was Henry I Duke Of BURGUNDY.
iv. Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.
v. Emma Princess Of FRANCE was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.
vi. Otto EUDES Duke Of Burgundy was born in 944 in , , , France and died from 22 February 964 to 965 at age 20.
Hugh next married Concubine Raingarde FRANCE 1601 in Unmd. Raingarde was born in 902 and died on 23 August 994 in Toucy Castle, Auxerre, , France at age 92.
Hugh next married Richelde 1601 in <Paris, Seine, France>. Richelde was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.
Hugh next married Judith 1601 before 13 September 910 in , , , France. Judith was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.
Hugh next married Edhilda, Princess Of ENGLAND,1601 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE, between 926 and 927.1436 Edhilda, was born on 26 January 946 in Of, , Wessex, England 1436 and died on 14 September 937 in , , , France at age -8.
16088777145. Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY,415,505,1444,1524,1601,1746,2044 daughter of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, was born in 910 in Saxony, Germany, died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2041 at age 55, and was buried on 10 May 965. Other names for Hedwige were Hedwige, Hartwige, Princess Of The GERMANS, and Hedwig Af SACHSEN.
Hedwige married Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris 1524,1601,2039,2040 before 14 September 938 in Mainz Oder, Ingelheim, Rheinland, Germany 2041.,2042 Hugh was born about 895 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2041,2042 died on 16 June 956 in Deurdan, France 1436,1447,1524,2039,2043 about age 61, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Hugh were Magnus=The Great, Hugh Le Grand, Duke Of FRANCE, Hugues Le Grand Robertien, Duc Des FRANCS, Hugh Le GRAND Count Of Paris Duke Of France, Hugh Magnus Capet, Duke Of NUESTRIA, Hugh Magnus, Count Of PARIS, and Hugo I Den STORE.
16088777150. Elias II GIFFARD Lord Of Brimpsfield,415,631,1389,2049 son of Elias I GIFFARD Lord Of Brimpsfield and Ala, was born about 1095 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England 1389 and died before 1166 in Gloucester Abbey, Gloucestershire, England (As A Monk) 1389,2049.
General Notes:
Elis III was son and heir of Elis II (who became a monk in Gloucester Abbey), by Berta (living 1167), sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury, and daughter of Richard fitz Ponce. In 1130 Elis II rendered account of 100 marks of silver for the relief of his father's lands, being son and heir of Elis I, by Ala, his wife. Before 1096 Elis I had succeeded his father Osbern Giffard, the Domesday tenant of Brimpsfield, Stoke, Rockhampton, Elston, Orcheston, etc. [Complete Peerage V:639 note (c)]
Elias married Bertha (Berta) FITZPONCE 760,2049 in 1127. Bertha was born about 1112 in Frampton-On-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England and died after 1167 760,2049. Another name for Bertha was Bertha (Berta) De CLIFFORD.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388575 i. Matilda GIFFARD (born about 1127 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England)
ii. Elias III GIFFARD Lord Of Brimpsfield was born about 1145 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England 1389,2050 and died before 29 September 1190 in Gloucestershire, England 646,760,2049. Another name for Elias was Helias GIFFARD.
iii. Walter GIFFARD Lord Of Boyton was born about 1152 in Boyton, Warminster, Wiltshire, England and died in 1226 about age 74.
16088777151. Bertha (Berta) FITZPONCE,415,631,760,2049 daughter of Richard FITZPONS Lord Of Cantref Bychan and Maud Fitzwalter De PITRES Heir Of Ullingswick, was born about 1112 in Frampton-On-Severn, Wheatenhurst, Gloucestershire, England and died after 1167 760,2049. Another name for Bertha was Bertha (Berta) De CLIFFORD.
General Notes: She was sister of Walter de Clifford, of Clifford and Glasbury.
Bertha married Elias II GIFFARD Lord Of Brimpsfield 1389,2049 in 1127. Elias was born about 1095 in Brimpsfield, Cirencester, Gloucestershire, England 1389 and died before 1166 in Gloucester Abbey, Gloucestershire, England (As A Monk) 1389,2049.
16088777216. Guillaume Seigneur De TANCARVILLE,415 son of Raoul I Seigneur De TANCARVILLE and Helvise De L' ESPINAY, was born about 1062 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1129 about age 67. Another name for Guillaume was William Sire De TANKERVILLE.
Guillaume married Maud D' ARQUES. Maud was born about 1072 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388608 i. Renebault Sire De TANKERVILLE (born about 1088 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died in 1140)
8044388855 ii. Lucy De TANKERVILLE (born about 1090 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died about 1165)
iii. Rabel Seigneur De TANCARVILLE was born about 1095 in Tancarville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1140 about age 45.
16088777217. Maud D' ARQUES,415 daughter of William Vicomte D' ARQUES and Beatrice (Beatrix) MALET, was born about 1072 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Maud married Guillaume Seigneur De TANCARVILLE. Guillaume was born about 1062 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1129 about age 67. Another name for Guillaume was William Sire De TANKERVILLE.
16088777218. Odon STIGAND 415 was born about 1062 in Normandy, France.
Odon married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388609 i. Agnes STIGAND (born about 1090 in Normandy, France)
16088777612. Sigurd (Syward) BIORNSSON Jarl Of Northumbria,415,1411,1416,1732,2051 son of Biorn ULFIUSSON Jarl Of Denmark and Unknown, was born about 1005 in Denmark and died in 1055 in York, Yorkshire, England 2018 about age 50.
Sigurd married Aelflaed Of NORTHUMBRIA 1416,1732.,2051 Aelflaed was born about 1015 in Bernicia, Northumbria, England. Another name for Aelflaed was Aelfled Of BERNICIA.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777613. Aelflaed Of NORTHUMBRIA,1416,1732,2051 daughter of Aldred Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA and Unknown, was born about 1015 in Bernicia, Northumbria, England. Another name for Aelflaed was Aelfled Of BERNICIA.
Aelflaed married Sigurd (Syward) BIORNSSON Jarl Of Northumbria 1411,1416,1732.,2051 Sigurd was born about 1005 in Denmark and died in 1055 in York, Yorkshire, England 2018 about age 50.
16088777614. Lambert De BOULOGNE Count Of Lens,1601,1733,1746,2052 son of Eustace I Count Of BOULOGNE and Mahaut (Maud) De LOUVAIN, was born about 1020 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2053 and died in 1054 in Slain-Battle Of Lille At Bataille DE Lille, Flanders 2052 about age 34.
Lambert married Countess Of Aumale & Pont Adélaïde De NORMANDY Countess Of Aumale 1601,1732,2054 about 1053 in Of, , Normandy, France. Adélaïde was born before 1030 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2052 and died before 1090 2052,2054.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388807 i. Judith Of LENS (born in 1054 in Lens, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died after 1086)
16088777615. Countess Of Aumale & Pont Adélaïde De NORMANDY Countess Of Aumale,415,1601,1732,1746,2054 daughter of Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY and Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE, was born before 1030 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2052 and died before 1090 2052,2054.
General Notes:
Adelaide, sister of William the Conqueror. She is styled Countess of Aumale, d. before 1090. [Complete Peerage I:351 chart]
Adélaïde married Sire D'aumale Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & PONTHIEU,1527,1601,2052,2054 son of Hugues II Comte De PONTHIEU and Bertha Of AUMALE, in 1st Husband.2055 Enguerrand was born about 1030 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 25 October 1053 in Slain At The Siege Of Arque (Dspm) 2052,2056 about age 23.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Adelaide (Adeliz) De PONTHIEU was born about 1050 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.
Adélaïde next married Lambert De BOULOGNE Count Of Lens 1601,1733,2052 about 1053 in Of, , Normandy, France. Lambert was born about 1020 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2053 and died in 1054 in Slain-Battle Of Lille At Bataille DE Lille, Flanders 2052 about age 34.
Adélaïde next married Count Of Troyes Eudes III Count Of AUMALE 1601 about 1056 in Of, , Normandy, France. Eudes was born in <, Normandy, France> and died in Y.
Adélaïde next married Eudes Count Of Aumale & CHAMPAGNE 2052 before 1060 in 3rd Husband.2057 Eudes was born about 1037 in Champagne, France, died after 1096 in Imprisoned In 1096 2058, and was buried in Earl Of Holderness.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Stephen Count De AUMALE Earl Of Holderness was born about 1070 in Aumaule, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2059 and died in 1127 in Holderness, North Riding Yorkshire, England 2059 about age 57. Another name for Stephen was Etienne De CHAMPAGNE Comte D'aumale.
16088777664. Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou,415,670,2060 son of Geoffroy II "Ferreol" Count Of GASTINOIS and Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois], was born in 1043 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 389,390,2017 and died on 14 April 1109 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 at age 66.
Foulques married Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency,2061,2062 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, in 1070 in , , Anjou, France 389,390.,2061 Hildegarde was born about 1047 in <, Saumur, Maine-Et-Loire, France>.389,390
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne was born about 1072 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1147 389,390,2004,2063 about age 75. Another name for Ermangarde was Hermengarde Of BRETAGNE.
ii. Geoffroy IV "Martel" De ANJOU was born about 1071 in <, , Anjou, France>,389,390 died on 19 May 1106 389,390 about age 35, and was buried in St. Nicolas Abbey, Angers, Anjou, France.389,390
Foulques next married Ermengarde De BOURBON,2064 daughter of Archambaud IV Seigneur De BOURBON and Philippa D' AUVERGNE, in 1070 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife - Annulled 1081.2064 Ermengarde was born about 1057 in Bourbon-L'archambault, Allier, Bourbonnais/Auvergne, France.
Foulques next married Arengarde Dau. Of Isambart De CHATEL-AILLON 2065 from 21 January 1086 to 1087 in 3rd Wife - Annulled.2065 Arengarde was born about 1065 in France.
Foulques next married Bertrade (Bertrada\Beatrice) De MONTFORT [Queen Of France] 2017,2066 between 1090 and 1091 in 4th Wife 389,390.,2017 Bertrade was born about 1073 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390 and died from 14 February 1116 to 1117 in Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 about age 43.
Marriage Notes: Bertrade was his 5th wife; Child Bride at 11, first child d
elivered at 31 She was 5th wife to Fulk IV
CHAN20 Mar 2001
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ermengardis D' ANJOU [Duchess Of Aquitaine] was born about 1090 in Of, , Anjou, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1146 in , , Aquitaine, France 389,390 about age 56.
iii. Geoffrey Of ANJOU was born about 1091 in Of, , Anjou, France and died in 1106 about age 15.
16088777665. Bertrade (Bertrada\Beatrice) De MONTFORT [Queen Of France],415,670,2017,2066 daughter of Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT and Agnes D' EVREUX, was born about 1073 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390 and died from 14 February 1116 to 1117 in Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 about age 43.
General Notes:
(f) She [Bertrade] m. as his 4th wife, Fulk IV, Count of Anjou. She deserted him for Philip I of France. [Complete Peerage VII:Appendix D:711 note (f)]
Note: Ancestral Roots states it was Fulk's 5th marriage; don't know which was correct.
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The Encyclopaedia Britannica described Bertrada's affair with Philip I of France as a "marriage" (they used the quotation marks to denote an "iffy" marriage), which led to several excommunications by the Pope. Naturally the Pope was also having political problems with Philip at the same time, which might have had something to do with his displeasure. Leo van de Pas gave the 1093 date for the "marriage".
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Queen of France, , Paris, Ville-DE-Paris, France. 390
• Unknown: Countess of Montfort, , Montfort Amaury, Île DE France, France. 390
Bertrade married Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou 2060 between 1090 and 1091 in 4th Wife 389,390.,2017 Foulques was born in 1043 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 389,390,2017 and died on 14 April 1109 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 at age 66.
Bertrade next married Philip I "The Fair" King Of FRANCE,1524,2066,2067 son of Henry I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV, in 1093 in Scandalous--Bertrada Was Married To Another 1382.,2066 Philip was born before 23 May 1052 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,389,390,2066 died on 29 July 1108 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390,1524,2066,2067, and was buried in Abbaye St-Benoit-Sur-Loire, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.389,390
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1053. 1524,2067
• Ruled: 1060-1108.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Cecilia CAPET.
ii. Fleury CAPET Prince Of France was born about 1092 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390,1677 and died about 1119 in Battlefield, , Normandie, France 389,390,1677,2068 about age 27.
16088777666. Helias De La Fleche Comte Du MAINE,415,670,1740,2069 son of Jean De BEAUGENCY Seigneur De La Fleche and Paule D'este Du MAINE, was born about 1080 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 11 July 1110 389,390,2069 about age 30.
Helias married Agnes De POITOU,2070 daughter of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Matilda De LA MARCHE, in 1st Wife. Agnes was born before 1068 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died before 1092.
Helias next married Matilda (Maud) De CHATEAU DU LOIRE [Countess Of Mainf 2069 before 1092 in 2ND Wife 389.,390 Matilda was born about 1081 in Chateau-du-Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 389,390 and died in 1099 389,390,2069 about age 18.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777667. Matilda (Maud) De CHATEAU DU LOIRE [Countess Of Mainf,415,670,2069 daughter of Gervase Seigneur De CHATEAU DU LOIRE and Erenburg, Mrs De CHATEAU DU LOIRE, was born about 1081 in Chateau-du-Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 389,390 and died in 1099 389,390,2069 about age 18.
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Dame of Château du Loir, , Château Du Loire, Eure-Et-Loir, France. 390
• Unknown: Countess of Maine, , Le Mans, Maine-Et-Loire, France. 390
Matilda married Helias De La Fleche Comte Du MAINE 1740,2069 before 1092 in 2ND Wife 389.,390 Helias was born about 1080 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 11 July 1110 389,390,2069 about age 30.
16088777668. William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND,415,417,642,643,670,775,891,1169,1600,1601,1746,2071,2072,2073,2074,2075,2076,2077,2078,2079 son of Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY and Herleve (Arlette) De FALAISE, was born on 14 October 1027 in Falais, Calvados, France,389,390,2078,2080 was christened in 1066 in , Dives-Sur-Mer, Normandie, France,389,390 died on 9 September 1087 in Hermenbraville, Seine-Maritime, France 389,390,2078 at age 59, and was buried on 10 September 1087 in Abbey Of St Step, Caen, Calvados, France.389,390 Another name for William was Guillaume de NORMANDIE King of England.
General Notes: William I, byname WILLIAM The CONQUEROR, or The BASTARD, or WILLIAM of NORMANDY, French GUILLAUME le CONQUÉRANT, or le BÂTARD, or GUILLAUME de NORMANDIE (b. c. 1028, Falaise, Normandy--d. Sept. 9, 1087, Rouen), duke of Normandy (as William II) from 1035 and king of England from 1066, one of the greatest soldiers and rulers of the Middle Ages. He made himself the mightiest feudal lord in France and then changed the course of England's history by his conquest of that country.
Early years
William was the elder of two children of Robert I of Normandy and his concubine Herleva, or Arlette, the daughter of a burgher from the town of Falaise. In 1035 Robert died when returning from a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and William, his only son, whom he had nominated as his heir before his departure, was accepted as duke by the Norman magnates and his feudal overlord, King Henry I of France. William and his friends had to overcome enormous obstacles. His illegitimacy (he was generally known as the Bastard) was a handicap, and he had to survive the collapse of law and order that accompanied his accession as a child.
Three of William's guardians died violent deaths before he grew up, and his tutor was murdered. His father's kin were of little help; most of them thought that they stood to gain by the boy's death. But his mother managed to protect William through the most dangerous period. These early difficulties probably contributed to his strength of purpose and his dislike of lawlessness and misrule.
Ruler of Normandy.
By 1042, when William reached his 15th year, was knighted, and began to play a personal part in the affairs of his duchy, the worst was over. But his attempts to recover rights lost during the anarchy and to bring disobedient vassals and servants to heel inevitably led to trouble. From 1046 until 1055 he dealt with a series of baronial rebellions, mostly led by kinsmen. Occasionally he was in great danger and had to rely on Henry of France for help. In 1047 Henry and William defeated a coalition of Norman rebels at Val-ès-Dunes, southeast of Caen. It was in these years that William learned to fight and rule.
William soon learned to control his youthful recklessness. He was always ready to take calculated risks on campaign and, most important, to fight a battle. But he was not a chivalrous or flamboyant commander. His plans were simple, his methods direct, and he exploited ruthlessly any advantage gained. If he found himself at a disadvantage, he withdrew immediately. He showed the same
qualities in his government. He never lost sight of his aim to recover lost ducal rights and revenues, and, although he developed no theory of government or great interest in administrative techniques, he was always prepared to improvise and experiment. He seems to have lived a moral life by the standards of the time, and he acquired an interest in the welfare of the Norman church. He made his half brother, Odo, bishop of Bayeux in 1049 at the age of about 16, and Odo managed to combine the roles of nobleman and prelate in a way that did not greatly shock contemporaries. But William also welcomed foreign monks and scholars to Normandy. Lanfranc of Pavia, a famous master of the liberal arts, who entered the monastery of Bec about 1042, was made abbot of Caen in 1063.
According to a brief description of William's person by an anonymous author, who borrowed extensively from Einhard's Life of Charlemagne, he was just above average height and had a robust, thick-set body. Though he was always sparing of food and drink, he became fat in later life. He had a rough bass voice and was a good and ready speaker. Writers of the next generation agree that he was exceptionally strong and vigorous. William was an out-of-doors man, a hunter and soldier, fierce and despotic, generally feared; uneducated, he had few graces but was intelligent and shrewd and soon obtained the respect of his rivals.
New alliances.
After 1047 William began to take part in events outside his duchy. In support of his lord, King Henry, and in pursuit of an ambition to strengthen his southern frontier and expand into Maine, he fought a series of campaigns against Geoffrey Martel, count of Anjou. But in 1052 Henry and Geoffrey made peace, there was a serious rebellion in eastern Normandy, and, until 1054 William was again in serious danger. During this period he conducted important negotiations with his cousin Edward the Confessor, king of England, and took a wife.
Norman interest in Anglo-Saxon England derived from an alliance made in 1002, when King Ethelred II of England married Emma, the sister of Count Richard II, William's grandfather. Two of her sons, William's cousins once removed, had reigned in turn in England, Hardecanute (1040-42) and Edward the Confessor (1042-66). William had met Edward during that prince's exile on the Continent and may well have given him some support when he returned to England in 1041. In that year Edward was about 36 and William 14. It is clear that William expected some sort of reward from Edward and, when Edward's marriage proved unfruitful, began to develop an ambition to become his kinsman's heir. Edward probably at times encouraged William's hopes. His childlessness was a diplomatic asset.
In 1049 William negotiated with Baldwin V of Flanders for the hand of his daughter, Matilda. Baldwin, an imperial vassal with a distinguished lineage, was in rebellion against the Western emperor, Henry III, and in desperate need of allies. The proposed marriage was condemned as incestuous (William and Matilda were evidently related in some way) by the Emperor's friend, Pope Leo IX, at the Council of Reims in October 1049; but so anxious were the parties for the alliance that before the end of 1053, possibly in 1052, the wedding took place. In 1059 William was reconciled to the papacy, and as penance the disobedient pair built two monasteries at Caen. Four sons were born to William and Matilda: Robert (the future duke of Normandy), Richard (who died young), William Rufus (the Conqueror's successor in England), and Henry (Rufus' successor). Among the daughters was Adela, who was the mother of Stephen, king of England.
Edward the Confessor was supporting the Emperor, and it is possible that William used his new alliance with Flanders to put pressure on Edward and extort an acknowledgment that he was the English king's heir. At all events, Edward seems to have made some sort of promise to William in 1051, while Tostig, son of the greatest nobleman in England, Earl Godwine, married Baldwin's half sister. The immediate purpose of this tripartite alliance was to improve the security of each of the parties. If William secured a declaration that he was Edward's heir, he was also looking very far ahead.
Between 1054 and 1060 William held his own against an alliance between King Henry I and Geoffrey Martel of Anjou. Both men died in 1060 and were succeeded by weaker rulers. As a result, in 1063 William was able to conquer Maine. In 1064 or 1065 Edward sent his brother-in-law, Harold, earl of Wessex, Godwine's son and successor, on an embassy to Normandy. William took him on a campaign into Brittany, and in connection with this Harold swore an oath in which, according to Norman writers, he renewed Edward's bequest of the throne to William and promised to support it.
When Edward died childless on Jan. 5, 1066, Harold was accepted as king by the English magnates, and William decided on war. Others, however, moved more quickly. In May Tostig, Harold's exiled brother, raided England, and in September he joined the invasion forces of Harald III Hardraade, king of Norway, off the Northumbrian coast. William assembled a fleet, recruited an army, and gathered his forces in August at the mouth of the Dives River. It is likely that he originally intended to sail due north and invade England by way of the Isle of Wight and Southampton Water. Such a plan would give him an offshore base and interior lines. But adverse winds detained his fleet in harbour for a month, and in September a westerly gale drove his ships up-Channel.
The Battle of Hastings.
William regrouped his forces at Saint-Valéry on the Somme. He had suffered a costly delay, some naval losses, and a drop in the morale of his troops. On September 27, after cold and rainy weather, the wind backed south. William embarked his army and set sail for the southeast coast of England. The following morning he landed, took the unresisting towns of Pevensey and Hastings, and began to organize a bridgehead with between 4,000 and 7,000 cavalry and infantry.
William's forces were in a narrow coastal strip, hemmed in by the great forest of Andred, and, although this corridor was easily defensible, it was not much of a base for the conquest of England. The campaigning season was almost past, and when William received news of his opponent it was not reassuring. On September 25 Harold had defeated and slain Tostig and Harald Hardraade at Stamford Bridge, near York, and was retracing his steps to meet the new invader. On October 13, when Harold emerged from the forest, William was taken by surprise. But the hour was too late for Harold to push on to Hastings, and he took up a defensive position. Early the next day William went out to give battle. He attacked the English phalanx with archers and cavalry but saw his army almost driven from the field. He rallied the fugitives, however, and brought them back into the fight and in the end wore down his opponents. Harold's brothers were killed early in the battle. Toward nightfall the King himself fell and the English gave up. William's coolness and tenacity secured him victory in this fateful battle, and he then moved against possible centres of resistance so quickly that he prevented a new leader from emerging. On Christmas Day 1066 he was crowned king in Westminster Abbey. In a formal sense the Norman Conquest of England had taken place.
King of England
William was already an experienced ruler. In Normandy he had replaced disloyal nobles and ducal servants with his own friends, limited private warfare, and recovered usurped ducal rights, defining the feudal duties of his vassals. The Norman church flourished under his rule. He wanted a church free of corruption but subordinate to him. He would not tolerate opposition from bishops and abbots or interference from the papacy. He presided over church synods and reinforced ecclesiastical discipline with his own. In supporting Lanfranc, prior of Bec, against Berengar of Tours in their dispute over the doctrine of the Eucharist, he found himself on the side of orthodoxy. He was never guilty of the selling of church office (simony). He disapproved of clerical marriage. At the same time he was a stern and sometimes rough master, swayed by political necessities, and he was not generous to the church with his own property. The reformer Lanfranc was one of his advisers; but perhaps even more to his taste were the worldly and soldierly bishops Odo of Bayeux and Geoffrey of Coutances.
William left England early in 1067 but had to return in December because of English unrest. The English rebellions that began in 1067 reached their peak in 1069 and were finally quelled in 1071. They completed the ruin of the highest English aristocracy and gave William a distaste for his newly conquered kingdom. Since his position on the Continent was deteriorating, he wanted to solve English problems as cheaply as possible. To secure England's frontiers, he invaded Scotland in 1072 and Wales in 1081 and created special defensive "marcher" counties along the Scottish and Welsh borders.
In the last 15 years of his life he was more often in Normandy than in England, and there were five years, possibly seven, in which he did not visit the kingdom at all. He retained most of the greatest Anglo-Norman barons with him in Normandy and confided the government of England to bishops, trusting especially his old friend Lanfranc, whom he made archbishop of Canterbury. Much concerned that the natives should not be unnecessarily disturbed, he allowed them to retain their own laws and courts.
William returned to England only when it was absolutely necessary: in 1075 to deal with the aftermath of a rebellion by Roger, earl of Hereford, and Ralf, earl of Norfolk, which was made more dangerous by the intervention of a Danish fleet; and in 1082 to arrest and imprison his half brother Odo, bishop of Bayeux and earl of Kent, who was planning to take an army to Italy, perhaps to make himself pope. In the spring of 1082 William had his son Henry knighted, and in August at Salisbury he took oaths of fealty from all the important landowners in England, whosoever's vassals they might be. In 1085 he returned with a large army to meet the threat of an invasion by Canute IV (Canute the Holy) of Denmark. When this came to nothing owing to Canute's death in 1086, William ordered an economic and tenurial survey to be made of the kingdom, the results of which are summarized in the two volumes of Domesday Book.
William was preoccupied with the frontiers of Normandy. The danger spots were in Maine and the Vexin on the Seine, where Normandy bordered on the French royal demesne. After 1066 William's continental neighbours became more powerful and even more hostile. In 1068 Fulk the Surly succeeded to Anjou and in 1071 Robert the Frisian to Flanders. Philip I of France allied with Robert and Robert with the Danish king, Canute IV. There was also the problem of William's heir apparent, Robert Curthose, who, given no appanage and seemingly kept short of money, left Normandy in 1077 and intrigued with his father's enemies. In 1081 William made a compromise with Fulk in the treaty of Blancheland: Robert Curthose was to be count of Maine but as a vassal of the count of Anjou. The eastern part of the Vexin, the county of Mantes, had fallen completely into King Philip's hands in 1077 when William had been busy with Maine. In 1087 William demanded from Philip the return of the towns of Chaumont, Mantes, and Pontoise. In July he entered Mantes by surprise, but while the town burned he suffered some injury from which he never recovered. He was thwarted at the very moment when he seemed about to enforce his last outstanding territorial claim.
Death
William was taken to a suburb of Rouen, where he lay dying for five weeks. He had the assistance of some of his bishops and doctors, and in attendance were his half brother Robert, count of Mortain, and his younger sons, William Rufus and Henry. Robert Curthose was with the King of France. It had probably been his intention that Robert, as was the custom, should succeed to the whole inheritance. In the circumstances he was tempted to make the loyal Rufus his sole heir. In the end he compromised: Normandy and Maine went to Robert and England to Rufus. Henry was given great treasure with which he could purchase an appanage. William died at daybreak on September 9, in his 60th year, and was buried in rather unseemly fashion in St. Stephen's Church, which he had built at Caen. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD, 1996, WILLIAM I]
Noted events in his life were:
• Ruled: 1066-1087
• Occupation: King of England, September 1066-10 September 1087, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,417,2076,2077,2081
• Occupation: Norman Conquest, 14 October 1066, Hastings, , Sussex, England. 390,2077,2082
• Occupation: Duke of Normandie, , , Normandie, France. 390,417,2076,2077
William married Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England 1600,1601,2083 about 1053 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, France 389,390,2076.,2077 Matilda was born in 1032 in Flanders, France,389,390,2084 died on 3 November 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France 389,390,2084 at age 51, and was buried in Church Of Holy Trinity, Caen.389,390
Children from this marriage were:
i. Robert II "Curthose" Duke Of NORMANDY Duke Of Normnadie was born about 1054 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,389,390,2085 died on 2 October 1134 in Cardiff Castle, Glamorganshire, Wales 389,390 about age 80, and was buried in Died An Old MAN As Prisoner Of Henry I.389,390
ii. William II "Rufus" King Of ENGLAND was born about 1056 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,389,390,2086 died on 2 August 1100 in New Forest, Near Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England 389,390,2086 about age 44, and was buried on 3 August 1100 in Cathedral, Winchester, Hampshire, England.389,390
iii. Adela Of NORMANDY Princess Of England was born about 1062 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1526,2087 and died from 8 March 1136 to 1137 1526,2088 about age 74. Another name for Adela was Adela Princess Of ENGLAND.
v. Constance De NORMANDIE Princess Of England was born in 1061 in , , Normandie, France,389,390 died on 13 August 1090 in Norwich, , Norfolk, England 389,390,2004 at age 29, and was buried in August 1090 in St. Edmund, Norwich, Norfolk, England.389,390
vi. Agatha Matilda De NORMANDIE Princess Of England was born about 1061 in , , Normandie, France,389,390 died about 1086 in , , Calvados, France 389,390 about age 25, and was buried in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandie, France.389,390
vii. Anna De NORMANDIE Princess Of England was born about 1066 in , , Normandie, France.389,390
16088777669. Countess Matilda (Maud) Of FLANDERS Queen Of England,415,670,1059,1600,1601,1746,2076,2077,2083,2089 daughter of Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE, was born in 1032 in Flanders, France,389,390,2084 died on 3 November 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France 389,390,2084 at age 51, and was buried in Church Of Holy Trinity, Caen.389,390
General Notes:
[copied from Bill Crawford's ancestry: crawfolk data base on World Connect Project, rootsweb.com] Had Matilda of Flanders as many husbands as Adelaide, Countess of Ponthieu, and, like her, issue by each? What was the real cause of the inhibition of her marriage with William, Duke of Normandy, - its delay for six years? What truth is there in the story of her unreturned affection for the Angio-Saxon Brihtric Meaw, and of her vindictive conduct to him after she became Queen of England? I have hesitated to believe in the popular tradition that Duke William grossly assaulted the daughter of Baldwin in the street or in her own chamber, not that I have any doubt about his being capable of such an outrage, but because he was too politic to commit it, and she was not the woman to have forgiven it, assuming that the offence was the simple refusal of his hand on the ground of his illegitimacy. It is obvious, however, that the early life of Matilda is involved in mystery, and it is highly probable that a clearer insight into it would enable us to account for much which we now reject as legend, or fail to reconcile with acknowledged facts. If there be any foundation for the story of William's brutality, the outburst of ungovernable fury might have been due to a much greater provocation than has been assigned for it. Brihtric, the son of Algar or Alfar, sumamed Meaw (Snow), from the extreme fairness of his complexion, an Anglo-Saxon Thegn, possessor of large domains in England, had been sent on an embassy from King Edward the Confessor to the Connt of Flanders. Matilda, we are told, fell desperately in love with him, and offered herself to him in marriage! Either disgusted by her forwardness, or preferring another, he declined the flattering proposal. "Hell hath no fury like a woman foiled," and she kept her wrath warm till she was in a position to ruin the man she had so passionately loved. She had no sooner become the Queen of England than she induced William to confiscate, on some pretence, all Brihtric's estates, and obtained the greater proportion for herself. The unfortunate Thegn was arrested at his house at Hanley, in Worcestershire, on the very day Saint Wulfstan had consecrated a chapel of his building, dragged to Winchester, and died in a dungeon! The truth of this story is supported by the impartial evidence of Domesday, in which Hanley and the principal manors held by Brihtric in the time of King Edward are recorded as the possessions of Queen Matilda, and the remainder passed to Fitz Hamon.
After her hand had been rejected by the noble Saxon, it is presumed she became the wife of a Fleming, named Gherbod, who appears to have held the hereditary office of Advocate of the Abbey of Saint Bertin, in St. Omers, and by whom she had at least two children, viz., Gherbod, to whom William gave the earldom of Chester, and Gundred, "the sister of Gherbod," and wife of William de Warren. Was this a clandestine or an informal marriage, which, as it has never been acknowledged by any chronicler, contemporary or other, might have been unknown to the Duke of Normandy, when he proposed to one whom he believed to be the maiden daughter of the Count of Flanders, and the corporal chastisement inflicted, however unworthy of a man, passed over, sub silentio, for prudential reasons, by the parties wlio had been guilty of a disgraceful suppression of facts? The subsequent marriage under such circumstances will awaken no surprise in any one who has studied the character of William. Utterly unscrupulous, destitute of every generous, noble, or delicate feeling, every action of his life was dictated by POLICY alone. An alliance with the Count of Flanders might be considered by the crafty schemer sufficiently advantageous to warrant his overlooking any objectionable antecedents in the conduct of a granddaughter of a king of France, his first discovery of which had provoked his savage nature into a momentary ebullition of fury. Her being the mother of two children was a point in her favour with a man whose sole motive for marrying was the perpetuation of a dynasty, and the fair prospect of legitimate issue, in whose veins the blood of the Capets should enrich that of the Furrier of Falaise, would overcome any hesitation at espousing the widow of an Advocate of St. Bertin. On the other hand, Count Baldwin would be too happy to embrace the opportunity of reinstating his daughter in a position befitting her birth, and, as well as the lady herself, gladly condone past insults for future advantages and the hope of smothering, in the splendour of a ducal wedding, the awkward whispers of scandal.
I have said thus much simply to show the view that may be taken of these mysterious circumstances, in opposition to the rose-coloured representations of some modern historians, who, upon no stronger evidence, elevate the Conqueror into a model husband, and describe Matilda as the perfection of womankind.
Noted events in her life were:
• Religion: , Flanders, Belgium, Netherlands. 390
• Unknown: Countess of Flandres, 1031-1083, , Flanders, Belgium, Netherlands. 390,417,1169,2076,2077
• Unknown: Duchess of Normandie, 1050-1083, , Caen, Calvados, France. 390,417,2076,2077
• Unknown: Queen of England, 1066-1083, Westminster Abbey, Westminster, Middlesex, England. 390,2077,2090
Matilda married William I "The Conqueror" King Of ENGLAND 891,1600,1601,2078,2079 about 1053 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, France 389,390,2076.,2077 William was born on 14 October 1027 in Falais, Calvados, France,389,390,2078,2080 was christened in 1066 in , Dives-Sur-Mer, Normandie, France,389,390 died on 9 September 1087 in Hermenbraville, Seine-Maritime, France 389,390,2078 at age 59, and was buried on 10 September 1087 in Abbey Of St Step, Caen, Calvados, France.389,390 Another name for William was Guillaume de NORMANDIE King of England.
Matilda next married Gherbod The FLEMING 1st Earl Of Chester 2079,2091 in 1st Husband?. Gherbod was born about 1027 in Flanders, France and died from after 20 February 1070 to 1071 in Taken Prisoner At Battle Of Cassel, Flanders 2079. Another name for Gherbod was 01st Earl Of CHESTER Gherbod The Fleming.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Gundred Of FLANDERS was born about 1052 in Ghent, Flanders, died on 27 May 1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England (In Childbirth) 2091,2092 about age 33, and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. Another name for Gundred was Gundreda De GAND.
16088777670. Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND,415,417,642,670,1169,1416,2093,2094,2095,2096 son of Duncan I Maccrinan King Of SCOTLAND and Sibyl (Suthen) BIORNSDOTTIR Of Northumbria, was born in 1031 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland,389,390,1416,2096 died on 13 November 1093 in Alnwick Castle, Northumbria, England (Slain Besieging) 389,390,1416,2096 at age 62, and was buried in Holy Trinity, Dumferline, Fifeshire, Scotland.389,390
General Notes:
Malcolm III CANMORE (b. c. 1031--d. Nov. 13, 1093, near Alnwick, Northumberland, Eng.), king of Scotland from 1058 to 1093, founder of the dynasty that consolidated royal power in the Scottish kingdom.
The son of King Duncan I (reigned 1034-40), Malcolm lived in exile in England during part of the reign of his father's murderer, Macbeth (reigned 1040-57). Malcolm killed Macbeth in battle in 1057 and then ascended the throne. After the conquest of England by William the Conqueror, in 1066, Malcolm gave refuge to the Anglo-Saxon prince Edgar the Aetheling and his sisters, one of whom, Margaret (later St. Margaret), became his second wife.
Malcolm acknowledged the overlordship of William in 1072 but nevertheless soon violated his feudal obligations and made five raids into England. During the last of these invasions he was killed by the forces of King William II Rufus (reigned 1087-1100). Except for a brief interval after Malcolm's death, the Scottish throne remained in his family until the death of Queen Margaret, the Maid of Norway, in 1290. Of Malcolm's six sons by Margaret, three succeeded to the throne: Edgar (reigned 1097-1107), Alexander I (1107-24), and David I (1124-53). [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
According to Brian Tompsett, "interred at Escorial, Madrid, Spain."
Noted events in his life were:
• Unknown: King of Scotland, 17 March 1057-1093, Abbey, Scone, Perth, Scotland. 390,417
• Unknown: Military, 13 November 1093, Alnwick Castle, Alnwick, Northumberland, England. 390,2097
Malcolm married Ingaborg Von FINNSDOTTIR Queen Of Scotland 2099,2100,2101 in 1059 in <, Atholl, Perth, Scotland> 389,390,2097.,2098 Ingaborg was born about 1023 in Yriar, Austratt, Norway 389,390 and died about 1066 in Scotland 389,390 about age 43.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd husband 1st wife, Abt 1066. 2101
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Abt 1066. 2101 2nd husband 1st wife
Children from this marriage were:
i. Duncan II STEWART King Of Scotland was born from 1060 to 1066 in , , , Scotland,389,390,2102 died on 12 November 1094 in Battle Of Monthechin, Kincardineshire, Scotland 389,390,2099,2102 at age 34, and was buried in Iona, Mull, Argyll, Scotland.389,390
ii. Malcolm IV STEWART Prince Of Scotland was born about 1062 in , , , Scotland 389,390 and died in 1085 in , , , Scotland 389,390 about age 23.
iii. Heth (Beth\Ed\Head) EDELRAD 1st Earl Of Fife was born about 1062 in Morayshire, Scotland and died after 1115 in Methil, Fifeshire, Scotland 2103. Another name for Heth was 1st Earl Of FIFE Beth Edelrad.
iv. Donald STEWART Prince Of Scotland was born from about 1062 to 1067 in , , , Scotland 389,390 and died in 1085 in , , , Scotland 389,390 about age 23.
Malcolm next married St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland 1416,2096 in 1049 in <, Atholl, Perth, Scotland> 389,390,2096.,2097 St. was born between 1043 and 1045 in Hungary,389,390,1416,2096 died on 16 November 1093 in Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 389,390,1416,2096 about age 50, and was buried in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390 Another name for St. was St. Margaret Of ENGLAND.
Children from this marriage were:
i. David I "The Saint" King Of SCOTLAND King Of Scotland was born about 1065 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390,1416,1418 died on 24 May 1153 in Carlisle Castle, Carlisle, Cumberland, England 389,390,1416,1418 about age 88, and was buried in Abbey, Scone, Perth, Scotland.389,390
ii. Edward STEWART Prince Of Scotland was born about 1068 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland 389,390 and died on 16 November 1093 in , , Edwards Isle, Scotland 389,390 about age 25.
iii. Edmund STEWART Prince Of Scotland was born about 1070 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland 389,390 and died in , Montacute, Somerset, England 389,390.
iv. Ethelred STEWART Earl Of Fife was born about 1072 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390 died on 13 November 1093 in , , Fifeshire, Scotland 389,390 about age 21, and was buried in Kilremont Church, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390
v. Edgar "The Peaceable" STEWART King Of Scotland was born in 1074 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390 died on 8 January 1106 in Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 389,390 at age 32, and was buried in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390
vi. Unknown STEWART Prince Of Scotland was born about 1076 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390
vii. Alexander I "The Fierce" STEWART King Of Scotland was born in 1077 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390,2104 died on 23 April 1124 in , Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland 389,390,2104 at age 47, and was buried on 25 April 1124 in Dunfermline Abbey, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390
viii. Margaret STEWART Princess Of Scotland was born about 1077 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390
x. Mary STEWART Princess Of Scotland was born about 1084 in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland,389,390 died on 31 May 1116 in St. Savior's Monastary, Bermondsey, Surrey, England 389,390,2105 about age 32, and was buried in , Bermondsey, Surrey, England.389,390
16088777671. St. Margaret Aetheling Of SCOTLAND Queen Of Scotland,415,642,670,774,775,1057,1416,2096,2106,2107,2108 daughter of Edward "The Exile\Aetheling" Prince Of ENGLAND and Agatha Of HUNGARY, was born between 1043 and 1045 in Hungary,389,390,1416,2096 died on 16 November 1093 in Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 389,390,1416,2096 about age 50, and was buried in , Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.389,390 Another name for St. was St. Margaret Of ENGLAND.
General Notes:
MARGARET OF SCOTLAND, SAINT (b. c. 1045, probably Hungary--d. Nov. 16, 1093, Edinburgh; canonized 1250; feast day November 16, Scottish feast day June 16), queen consort of Malcolm III Canmore and patroness of Scotland.
Margaret was brought up at the Hungarian court, where her father, Edward, was in exile. After the Battle of Hastings, Edward's widow and children fled for safety to Scotland. Her brother Edgar the Aetheling, defeated claimant to the English throne, joined her there. In spite of her leanings toward a religious life, Margaret married (c. 1070) Malcolm III Canmore, king of Scotland from 1057 or 1058 to 1093. Through her influence over her husband and his court, she promoted, in conformity with the Gregorian reform, the interests of the church and of the English population conquered by the Scots in the previous century. She died shortly after her husband was slain near Alnwick, Northumberland. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
St. married Malcolm III Canmore King Of SCOTLAND 1416,2096 in 1049 in <, Atholl, Perth, Scotland> 389,390,2096.,2097 Malcolm was born in 1031 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland,389,390,1416,2096 died on 13 November 1093 in Alnwick Castle, Northumbria, England (Slain Besieging) 389,390,1416,2096 at age 62, and was buried in Holy Trinity, Dumferline, Fifeshire, Scotland.389,390
16088777672. Ralph IV De TOENI De Conches, Lord Flamstead,415,1737,2109,2110 son of Ralph III De TOENI De Conches and Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTFORT, was born about 1081 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1737 and died about 1126 in Conches, Eure, Normandy, France 1737,2110 about age 45. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De CONCHES.
General Notes: Ralph, called either de Toeni or de Conches; married 1103 Alice, younger daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Northumberland, Northampton and Huntingdon, and died c1126. [Burke's Peerage]
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RALPH DE TOENI IV, styled also DE CONCHES, 2nd but 1st surviving son and heir, assented with his mother and his elder brother, Roger, to his father's gifts to St. Evroul. He succeeded his father probably in 1102; and in 1103 he was one of the nobles who supported the claim of Rainald de Grancei to succeed to the Barony of Breteuil on the death of William de Breteuil. In the same year he was a member of the alliance formed by Robert, Count of Meulan, to force Goel d'Ivri to release his burgher, John of Meulan. He then crossed to England and, being graciously received by the King, obtained his father's lands; and in 1104 he returned to Normandy with Henry, as one of his ardent supporters. He was in the King's army in Normandy in 1106 and took part in the battle of Tinchebrai on 28 September. In 1110 he was with the King at Romsey. When rebellion broke out in Normandy in 1119, he remained faithful to Henry. About the same time by the King's advice Ralph de Gael gave him Pont-St.-Pierre and the whole valley of Pistres. In 1120 he was with Henry at Rouen. He was a benefactor to the abbeys of Bec and Conches, and perhaps to the priory of Westacre.
He married, in 1103, in England, Alice, younger daughter and coheir of Waltheof, EARL OF NORTHUMBERLAND, NORTHAMPTON and HUNTINGDON, by Judith (the King's cousin), daughter of Lambert, COUNT OF LENS. Alice inherited Walthamstow, Essex. Ralph died about 1126 and was buried at Conches. His widow gave the church of Walthamstow to Holy Trinity, London, for the salvation of the souls of her son Hugh, who was buried there, and her husband. [Complete Peerage XII/1:760-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Ralph married Alice De HUNTINGDON 1449,1733,1737 in 1103 in England 1733.,1737 Alice was born about 1077 in Huntington, Huntingdonshire, England and died after 1126 1733,1737.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388836 i. Roger III De TOENI Lord Of Flamstead (born about 1104 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England - died before February 1161-1162)
ii. Margaret De TOENI Heir Of Clifford Castle was born about 1109 in Northumberland, England and died before 1185 in Clifford Castle, Hay, Herefordshire, England.
16088777673. Alice De HUNTINGDON,415,1449,1733,1737 daughter of Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon & NORTHUMBERLAND and Judith Of LENS, was born about 1077 in Huntington, Huntingdonshire, England and died after 1126 1733,1737.
General Notes: Alice, younger daughter of Waltheof, Earl of Northumberland, Northampton and Huntingdon. [Burke's Peerage]
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He married, in 1103, in England, Alice, younger daughter and coheir of Waltheof, EARL OF NORTHUMBERLAND, NORTHAMPTON and HUNTINGDON, by Judith (the King's cousin), daughter of Lambert, COUNT OF LENS. Alice inherited Walthamstow, Essex. Ralph died about 1126 and was buried at Conches. His widow gave the church of Walthamstow to Holy Trinity, London, for the salvation of the souls of her son Hugh, who was buried there, and her husband. [Complete Peerage XII/1:760-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Alice married Ralph IV De TOENI De Conches, Lord Flamstead 1737,2109,2110 in 1103 in England 1733.,1737 Ralph was born about 1081 in Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England 1737 and died about 1126 in Conches, Eure, Normandy, France 1737,2110 about age 45. Another name for Ralph was Ralph De CONCHES.
16088777674. Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT,415,670,1767,1769,2111,2112 son of Baudouin II Count Of HAINAULT and Ida De LOUVAIN, was born about 1087 in Hainault, Belgium 2111 and died in 1120 2111,2112,2113 about age 33.
Baudouin married Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders 1767,1769,2112,2114 in 1107 1770.,2111 Yolande was born about 1092 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.2114 Another name for Yolande was Yolande De GUELDERS.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Baudouin IV "Le Batisseur" Count Of HAINAULT was born about 1112 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium and died on 8 November 1171 2112,2115 about age 59.
iii. Richilda Of HAINAULT was born about 1117 in Hainault, Belgium.
16088777675. Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders,415,670,1767,1769,2112,2114 daughter of Gerard III Von WASSENBURG Count Of Guelders and Clemence De POITOU, was born about 1092 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany.2114 Another name for Yolande was Yolande De GUELDERS.
General Notes: Turton has Yolanthe as daughter of Gerard & Ermengarde of Zutphen. I have that Gerard as her brother, based on the birth date & ancestry given in Leo's Data Base.
Yolande married Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT 1767,1769,2111,2112 in 1107 1770.,2111 Baudouin was born about 1087 in Hainault, Belgium 2111 and died in 1120 2111,2112,2113 about age 33.
16088777676. Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester,415,505,670,905,1873,1874,1877 son of Roger De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Pont-Audemer and Adeline De MEULAN, was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
General Notes: Robert de Beaumont; allegedly 1st Earl of Leicester of the c1102 creation. [Burke's Peerage]
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On Leicester, Earldom of [Burke's Peerage, p. 1671]:
Robert de Beaumont, a companion in arms of William I (The Conqueror) at Hastings was granted after the Conquest much land in the Midlands of England, but most of it was in Warwickshire rather than Leicestershire. Indeed his younger brother became Earl of Warwick. Robert also held territory in Normandy and is usually referred to as Count of Meulan. He was a leading political figure in the reigns of William II and Henry I and on the death of one Ives de Grandmesnil in the First Crusade, the funds for campaigning in which Ives had raised from Robert on the security of his estates, [Robert] came into full possession of them, including a sizeable part of Leicester. The rest of the town was granted him by Henry I and it is possible that he became Earl of Leicester.
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EARLDOM OF LEICESTER (I) 1107 ?
ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OF BEAUMONT, PONT-AUDEMER, BRIONNE AND VATTEVILLE in Normandy, and from 1081 COUNT OF MEULAN in the French Vexin, son and heir, born circa 1046. When very young he accompanied Duke William to England and distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings, and received large grants of lands in co. Warwick, with smaller holdings in cos. Leicester, Northants, and Wilts. On 14 July 080, as Robert de Bellomonte, he witnessed the foundation charter of Lessay, and next year he inherited from his mother's family the comté of Meulan. Thereafter he is continuously styled Count (Comes) of Meulan. After the death of the Conqueror he adhered to William Rufus, and was high in favour at his court. He quarrelled with Robert of Normandy about the castellanship of Brionne, in consequence of the exchange of Brionne for Ivry made by his father. He was imprisoned, but was released at the intercession of his father Roger, who eventually succeeded in obtaining Brionne in fee. He succeeded to the greater part of his father's lands in Normandy, including Beaumont, Pont-Audemer, Vatteville and Brionne. This paternal inheritance, added to his French comté and his great possessions in cos. Warwick and Leicester, made him one of the most powerful vassals of the Crown. He became one of the chief lay ministers of William Rufus, with whom he sided against Robert Courtheuse in 1098, and when William invaded the French Vexin in 1097 he received his troops in his fortresses of the comté of Meulan. After the death of William Rufus he became one of the chief advisers of Henry I. On the death of Ives de Grandmesnil on Crusade, Robert retained his estates, which Ives had mortgaged to him circa 1102. Thereby he acquired one-quarter of the town of Leicester, the whole of which was later granted to him by the King. Robert thus added largely to his already vast possessions. In 1104 he was one of the Norman barons who adhered to Henry on his arrival in Normandy. He was present in the King's army at Tenchebrai, 28 September 1106. In 1110 he was besieged at Meulan by Louis VI, who took the castle by storm, but in the following year he retaliated by a raid on Paris, which he plundered. After obtaining the whole town of Leicester he is said to have become EARL OF LEICESTER, but, being already Count of Meulan, was never so styled. There is no contemporary record that he had the third penny of the pleas of the county, but he doubtless acquired, with the Grandmesnil fief, the third penny of the issues of the Mint at Leicester.
He married, in 1096, Isabel, called also Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh DE CREPl, called Hug "le Grand," COUNT OF VERMANDOIS. He died 5 June 1118, and was buried with his ancestors in the chapter house of Préaux (c). His widow married, very shortly after his death, William (DE WARINNE), EARL OF SURREY. [Complete Peerage VII:523-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) Robert had three sons and five daughters. The sons were Waleran and Robert, twins born in 1104, and Hugh. Waleran, the eldest, succeeded to the Norman and French fiefs, and the English lands held by his grandfather, Roger de Beaumont in 1086. Robert succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester and Hugh is said to have been created Earl of Bedford. The names of only four of the daughter appear to be known--Adeline, Aubreye, Maud and Isabel or Elizabeth. Adeline m. Hugh IV Seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle. Aubreye m. Hugh II Seigneur of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais. Maud m. William Louvel, Seigneur of Ivri and Breval. Isabel, also called Elizabeth, was mistress of Henry I, and m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1049. 1874
Robert married Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS 531,1869,1871,1872,1873 in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Isabel was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
16088777677. Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS,415,505,531,670,1869,1871,1872,1873 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1081 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died from 13 February 1130 to 1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1874 about age 49.
General Notes: Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef July 1147, Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. 1869
Isabel married Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester 905,1873,1874,1877 in 1096 in 1st Husband 1873.,1874 Robert was born about 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France,1873 died on 5 June 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1873,1874 about age 72, and was buried in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was 1st Earl Of LEICESTER Robert De Beaumont.
Isabel next married William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey 531,1416,1585,1868 about 1118 in 2ND Husband 1416.,1870 William was born about 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England 1011 and died on 11 May 1138 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England 1869 about age 67. Another name for William was 02nd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
16088777678. Ralph Seigneur De Gael De MONTFORD,415,1774,2116 son of Ralph De GAEL Earl Norfolk\Suffolk\Cambridge and Emma FITZOSBERN, was born in 1078 in Breal-Sous-Montfort, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
General Notes: Ralph de Gael de Montford, Seigneur of Montford de Gael in Britanny, son of Ralph de Gael, 1st Earl of Norfolk, Suffolk, and Cambridge, Seigneur of Montford de Gael in Britanny, and Emma, daughter of William Fitz Osbern, a Companion of William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings, 1066, Earl of Hereford. [Ancestral Roots]
Ralph married Emma (Avice) De VERMANDOIS. Emma was born in 1075 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777679. Emma (Avice) De VERMANDOIS,415 daughter of Hugh De Crepi MAGNUS Duke Of Burgundy and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born in 1075 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.
Emma married Ralph Seigneur De Gael De MONTFORD 1774.,2116 Ralph was born in 1078 in Breal-Sous-Montfort, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France.
16088777696. Gerard De CAMVILLE Of Charlton Camvill 415,802,2117 was born about 1068 in Charlton Camvill, Somerset, England and died after 1140 in Abbey Of Combe, Warwickshire, England 802,2118.
General Notes: In the 5th of King Stephen [1140], Gerald de Camville, of Lilburne Castle, co. Northampton, granted two parts of the tithes of Charleston-Camville in Somerset to the monks of Bermondsey, in Surrey. To this Gerald s. his son, Richard de Camville. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 100, Camville, Barons Camville, of Clifton]
Gerard married Alice De VERE 2117.,2119 Alice was born about 1070 in Hedingham, Essex, England.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388848 i. Richard De CAMVILLE Of Charlton Camvill (born about 1092 in Charlton Camvill, Somerset, England - died after 1170)
16088777697. Alice De VERE,415,2117,2119 daughter of Aubrey I De VERE Sheriff Of Berkshire and Beatrice, was born about 1070 in Hedingham, Essex, England.
Alice married Gerard De CAMVILLE Of Charlton Camvill 802.,2117 Gerard was born about 1068 in Charlton Camvill, Somerset, England and died after 1140 in Abbey Of Combe, Warwickshire, England 802,2118.
16088777700. Hugh I Comte De RETHEL 415,1783,2120 was born about 1030 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died in November 1118 2121 about age 88.
Hugh married Melisende De MONTLHERY 1783.,2120 Melisende was born about 1040 in Corbeil, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1097.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Baldwin II De RETHEL King Of Jerusalem was born about 1058 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France 2122 and died on 21 August 1131 in Jerusalem, Palestine 2123 about age 73. Another name for Baldwin was Baldwin II De Rethel King Of JERUSALEM.
ii. Mathilde Comtesse De RETHEL was born about 1074 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France.
iii. Caravicina De RETHEL was born about 1075 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France. Another name for Caravicina was Melisende Dite Caravicina De MONTLHERY.
16088777701. Melisende De MONTLHERY,415,1783,2120 daughter of Guy I Seigneur De MONTLHERY & Chevreuse and Hodierne De GOMETZ Dame De La Ferte, was born about 1040 in Corbeil, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1097.
Melisende married Hugh I Comte De RETHEL 1783.,2120 Hugh was born about 1030 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died in November 1118 2121 about age 88.
Melisende next married.
16088777702. Godfrey Comte De NAMUR,415,670,2115,2124 son of Albert III Comte De NAMUR and Ida Billung Of SAXONY, was born in 1067 in Namur, Belgium 2125 and died on 19 August 1139 in Abbey Of Florette, France 2125 at age 72.
Godfrey married Sibylle De CHATEAU-PORCIEN 1783,1784,2125 about 1087.2125 Sibylle was born about 1075 in Chateau Porcien, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France. Another name for Sibylle was Sibil De PORCEAN.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388851 i. Elizabeth De NAMUR (born about 1092 in Namur, Belgium - died after 1141)
Godfrey next married Ermesinde Of LUXEMBOURG,2112,2115 daughter of Conrad I Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Clemence De POITOU, before 1105 in 3rd Husband. Ermesinde was born about 1082 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany and died on 24 June 1143 2115 about age 61.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Beatrice De NAMUR was born about 1105 in Namur, Lorraine, France and died in 1160 2126 about age 55.
ii. Clemence De NAMUR was born about 1105 in Namur, France and died on 28 December 1158 about age 53.
iii. Henry I Comte De Luxembourg & NAMUR was born about 1113 in Namur, Belgium 2127 and died on 14 August 1196 2127 about age 83. Another name for Henry was Henry Comte De LUXEMBOURG & Namur.
iv. Alix (Adelaide\Ermensinde) De NAMUR was born about 1117 in Namur, Belgium and died in November 1195 2115 about age 78.
16088777703. Sibylle De CHATEAU-PORCIEN 415,670,1783,1784,2125 was born about 1075 in Chateau Porcien, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France. Another name for Sibylle was Sibil De PORCEAN.
General Notes: Divorced because of her affair with a neighbor. [Ancestral Roots]
Sibylle married Godfrey Comte De NAMUR 2115,2124 about 1087.2125 Godfrey was born in 1067 in Namur, Belgium 2125 and died on 19 August 1139 in Abbey Of Florette, France 2125 at age 72.
16088777704. Ralph De LA HAYE Of Halnaker 415 was born about 1043 in La Haye Du Puis, Normandy, France and died after 1123 in Halnaker, Sussex, England.
Ralph married Oliva D' AUBIGNY. Oliva was born about 1049 in Aubigny-Sur-Nere, Normandy, France.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388852 i. Robert De LA HAYE Of Halnaker (born about 1080 in Halnaker, Sussex, England - died between 1134 and 1135)
16088777705. Oliva D' AUBIGNY 415 was born about 1049 in Aubigny-Sur-Nere, Normandy, France.
Oliva married Ralph De LA HAYE Of Halnaker. Ralph was born about 1043 in La Haye Du Puis, Normandy, France and died after 1123 in Halnaker, Sussex, England.
16088777706. Colswegen Of LINCOLN Of Brattleby 415,1620 was born about 1055 in Brattleby, Lincolnshire, England and died before 1110.
Colswegen married Muriel CHAPELLE.802 Muriel was born about 1057 in Cotentin, Manche, Normandy, England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Alfred De LINCOLN Of Winterbourne was born about 1075 in Winterbourne, St Martins, Dorsetshire, England and died in 1130 about age 55.
8044388853 ii. Muriel Of LINCOLN Heiress Of Brattleby (born about 1085 in Brattleby, Lincolnshire, England)
16088777707. Muriel CHAPELLE 415,802 was born about 1057 in Cotentin, Manche, Normandy, England.
General Notes: Turtin has Muriel Chapelle as wife of Robert la Haye, while I have her as mother of Muriel who was his wife. This combines the information from CP with Turton. I believe the dates make sense this way as well.
Muriel married Colswegen Of LINCOLN Of Brattleby.1620 Colswegen was born about 1055 in Brattleby, Lincolnshire, England and died before 1110.
16088777708. Richard Seigneur De REVIERS 415,2128,2129 was born about 1060 in Reviers, Vernon, & Nehou, Normandy, France, died on 8 September 1107 in Mosterton, Beaminster, Dorsetshire, England 2129 about age 47, and was buried in Abbey Of Montebourg, Devonshire, England.
General Notes: Richard de Reviers, Lord of Reviers, Vernon, and Nehou (all in Normandy). [Burke's Peerage. p. 832]
Richard; feudal Lord of Vernon and holder of many manors at the time of the Domesday Survey 1086; enjoyed a local prominence in the County Palatine of Chester as Baron of Shipbrooke (a subinfeudatory rank (but not a peerage title) conferred by Hugh d'Avranches or Lupus (ie. "Wolf", so-called from his ferocity and acquisitiveness), Earl of Chester with quasi-regal powers, so created 1071 in the reign of his great-uncle of the half blood William I ("The Conqueror"). [Burke's Peerage, p. 2884 on the Barony of Vernon]
Note: Burke's does not document that Richard was made an Earl of Devon.
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RICHARD DE REVIERS, Seigneur de Reviers, Vernon, and Néhou, in Normandy. His parentage is unknown, but he has been conjectured to have been son and heir of William DE VERNON (a). In Domesday he appears as the possessor of a single Manor Mosterton in Dorset. It has been erroneously considered that he was created Earl of Devon by Henry I. The authorities for this are the statements made in two monastic chronicles. There is, however, abundant charter evidence that he never styled himself an Earl, that his wife in her widowhood never styled herself a Countess, and that none of their children, nor their grandchildren, ever so styled them. He was the founder (in the technical sense of the word) of the Abbey of Montebourg.
He married Adelise, daughter of William PEVEREL of Nottingham, the elder, by Adeline, his wife. He died 8 September 1107, and was buried in the Abbey of Montebourg. His widow survived her eldest son, Baldwin, and died 27 May 1156 or later. [Complete Peerage IV:309-11, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(a) It appears from a charter of Henry I to the canons of Breamore that Richard's son, Baldwin had an uncle Hugh, who (if by 'Avunnculus' is meant 'patruus') may be the Hugh de Redveris mentioned in a memorandum of La Trinite at Caen, and also the Hugh mentioned as son of William de Vernon in a document (of date about 1067) in the cartulary of La Trinite at Rouen, signed by William Vernonensis and Emma his wife. In the register of Carisbrooke it is said that Richard de Reviers was 'nepos' of William Fitz Osborn, after whose death (his sons John & Richard having dvp.) the Isle of Wight was inherited by the said Richard, 'tunc Comes Exonie.' So that this Richard may have been son of William de Vernon, by Emma, sister of William fitz Osborn. The continuator of William of Jumieges states that a niece of Gunnor the wife of Duke Richard was married to Osmund de Centumvillis, Vicomte de Vernon, and was mother of the first Fulk de Aneio and of the mother of the first Baldwin de Reviers.
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Following copied from Dave Utzinger, World Connect db=utzing, rootsweb.com:
Close advisor to Henry I.
Richards parentage has long been shrouded in confusion. Dugdale said he was the son of Baldwin de Meules, but this was based on the misconception that Ricahrd fitz Baldwin was the same person as Richard de Redvers. It has also been argued more recently that Richard was the son of a Baldwin de Redvers who is mentioned in the deathbed charter of his brother Richard in 1060.
However, it is most likely that Richard was a son of William de Vernon, lord of Vernon, Normandy who died after 1077, and probably before 1089. A charter of Richard de Vernon (grandson or great grandson of Richard de Redvers) preserved by Thomas Stapleton and dated by him to 1186 states that 'confirmo
donationem quam primus Willelmus de Vernone ANTECESSOR MEUS, cujus corpus in ecclesia de Vernone jacet...' If this is taken in conjunction with the facts that WIlliam de Vernon had a son named Hugh, and that Richard's son Baldwin had an uncle named Hugh, it shows that William had two sons, Hugh and Richard.
Hope this makes sense. The Redvers and Vernon families were very closely linked, & it is difficult to make sense of it all.
Luke Potter
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Richard de Abrincis, surnamed de Redvers, having s. to the honours and possession of his father, resigned the Barony of Okehampton, the sheriffalty of Devon, and the custody of the castle at Exeter, in favour of his nephew, Robert de Abrincis, and was created Earl of Devon by King Henry I with a grant of the Isle of Wight in fee. This nobleman (who, from residing chiefly at Exeter, was generally called Earl of Exeter) m. Adeliza, dau. and co-heiress of William FitzOsborne, Earl of Hereford, and had issue,
I. Baldwin de Redvers, his successor.
II. William de Redvers, surnamed de Vernon.
III. Robert de Redvers.
I. Hadwise, m. to William de Romare, Earl of Lincoln.
Richard de Redvers, 1st Earl of Devon, d. in 1137, and was s. by his eldest son, Baldwin de Redvers. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 140, Courtenay, Barons Courtenay, Earls of Devon]
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The following post-em from Curt Hofemann, [email protected], contains some of the debate/speculation about the ancestry of Richard:
Below is way more than you probably ever wanted on this subject. I apologize in advance for its length:
Luke Potter posted to [email protected] on 09 Jan 1998 Subject: Re: Baldwin de Reviers: Richard's parentage has long been shrouded in confusion. Dugdale said he was the son of Baldwin de Meules, but this was based on the misconception that Richard fitz Baldwin was the same person as Richard de Redvers. It has also been argued more recently that Richard was the son of a Baldwin de Redvers who is mentioned in the deathbed charter of his brother Richard in 1060. However, it is most likely that Richard was a son of William de Vernon, lord of Vernon, Normandy who died after 1077, and probably before 1089. A charter of Richard de Vernon (grandson or great grandson of Richard de Redvers) preserved by Thomas Stapleton and dated by him to 1186 states that 'confirmo donationem quam primus Willelmus de Vernone ANTECESSOR MEUS, cujus corpus in ecclesia de Vernone jacet...' If this is taken in conjunction with the facts that WIlliam de Vernon had a son named Hugh, and that Richard's son Baldwin had an uncle named Hugh, it shows that William had two sons, Hugh and Richard.
A dissenting argument on Richard's ancestry: Diana Trenchard posted privately to me on 9 Jan 1998 Subject: Re: Baldwin de Reviers . . . As you will see, my quote from Bearman (1994) comes down on the other side of the possible ancestry of the first Richard Redvers. I'll leave you to judge the evidence. . . Richard de Redvers (died 1107) was the founder of the family in England as a consequence of his support for Henry prior to his becoming King Henry I. His son Balwin was created Earl of Devon in 1141 by Matilda as a reward for his vigorous support of her against Stephen. The following is a quote from the Introduction in "Charters of the Redvers Family and the Earldom of Devon 1090-1217' by Robert Bearman, pub 1994 by Devon and Cornwall Record Society, New Series, Vol 37. "The origins of the Redvers family are obscure. For many years genealogists thought otherwise, due to their reliance on William Dugdale's 'Baronage of England' (1675-6), which had mistakenly equated Richard de Redvers with Richard the son of Baldwin de Meules, William I's sheriff of Devon. [footnote: His mistake was still being repeated more than 200 years later: eg DNB, iii, 34; Notes and Queries, 12th series, vii,(4 Dec 1920), p445.] The editors of 'The Complete Peerage' were aware of Dugdale's error but further compounded matters by proposing as Richard's father William de Vernon, prominent in Normandy in the eleventh century.['Complete Peerage',iv,310; 'William the Conqueror, D.C.Douglas, London, 1964,pp87-8.] The evidence on which they relied, however, does not bear this out, [footnote: their argument hinged on the relationship between Hugh and William de Vernon in a charter quoted in Round, 'Calendar', p23, no 82. The calendar makes William the father of Hugh, but in fact the relationship was the other way round ('Chartularium de Mont Rothomagi, p430, no 16).] A more plausible theory had already been advanced by Thomas Stapleton in the 1840s but in such a confused manner that later genealogists were unable to follow his arguments, [footnote: 'Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniae', 2 vols, Royal Historical Society, London, 1840-4, ii, pp cclxix-cclxxx; and see JR Planche, 'The Conqueror and his Companions', 2 vols, London, 1874, ii, 46, and GH White in 'The Genealogist', NS xxxvii (1921), p131.]. It was based on a charter of 1060, now available in modern edition, which mentions three Redvers brothers: Richard (who died in that year), William and Baldwin, [footnote: 'Recueil des Actes des Ducs de Normandie', ed M. Faroux, Caen, 1961, p328, no 147. The brothers' surname occurs only in the rubric.]. It was Stapleton's belief that this Baldwin was Richard's father, mainly on the grounds that Richard in turn named his eldest son Baldwin. This may seem inconclusive but the argument is given some support by Robert de Torigni in one of his interpolations in the Chronicle of William de Jumieges [pp 328-9]. Clearly the matter must be left in some doubt, but Stapleton's argument, unlike the others, is at least not based on errors and should therefore be preferred." [Ref: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jast/D0026/G0000005.html]
Research note:
CP Shows that Baldwin de Redvers (II), Earl of Devon, had an uncle Hugh. Assuming correct use of latin this would mean that his father Richard had a brother of this name. It is then hypothesized that this Hugh was the same as the Hugh, son of William de Vernon and his wife Emma, which would provide the same parentage for Richard. The Genealogy of the founders of Carisbrook show this same Richard to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern, and thus it was hypothesized that Richard, the first English Redvers/Vernon, was son of William de Vernon and Emma Fitz Osbern, who in turn was daughter of Osbern de Bolbec (in a 2nd msg TAF corrected name to de Crepon) and Emma d'Ivry. However this parentage for Richard was disproven. This is reported in van Houtz article, Robert de Torigni as Genealogist, in Studies in Medieval History presented to R Allen Brown, and I have not had the time to track down her reference for the disproof.
In a more complete discussion of the family in the article Aspects of Robert de Torigny's Genealogies Revisited (in Nottingham Medieval Studies 27:21-7). This shows that in the generation prior to Richard, there is a Baldwin, a Richard who d.s.p., and their (presumed) brother William, son of Hugh (the author hypothesizes that William was either the youngest child of Hugh, or the only child, making Richard and Baldwin half-brothers). This last William appears identical to the William who married Emma, and had Hugh. The author calls her Emma Fitz Osbern, but this forgets that her identity as a Fitz Osbern depends on her identity as mother of Richard, which has been rejected (if he has other reasons, he does not give them). The author then hypothesizes that Richard (father of Earl Baldwin) and his brother Hugh are sons of Baldwin, and that this Baldwin is the same as the Baldwin de Redvers that Robert names as son of a daughter of Osmund de Centumuilliers, vicomte de Vernon (otherwise difficult to identify) by a niece of Duchess Gunnor.
Now for my own speculation (entirely unsupported!). Either the first Baldwin de Redvers, in marrying a sister of William Fitz Osbern was within the prohibited degree (of which the Normans tended to be rather scrupulous) since his wife would be granddaughter of Gunnor's brother, and his mother was granddaughter of one of Gunnor's siblings, or else Robert has erred here. Could it be that there was only one relationship with Gunnor, that Richard was great-nephew of William Fitz Osbern, and that Baldwin's mother, was daughter of a nephew (Osbern de Crepon, son of Herfast, her brother) and not of a niece (the unnamed wife of Osmund)? One could even go a step more (if William, son of Hugh was in fact a half-brother), and suggest that Robert, in confusing Osmund with Osbert shuffled generations somewhat, and that Osmund de Centumuilliers married a great-niece of Gunnor, daughter of her nephew Osbert, and by him was mother of Baldwin (rather than him being maternal grandson).
It could even be (I am speculating on the fly, without my references, but I suspect this version would stretch chronology too much, making William Fitz Osbern too much older than Richard) that Baldwin was maternal grandson of Osmund, and he in turn married the daughter of Osbert (Robert did have a tendancy to drop generations, as appears to have been the case in the Montgomery and Warenne connections to Gunnor). [Ref: TAF 15 Nov 1996]
<Richard de Redvers. The Lordship of the Island (Isle of Wight) was considered a very high honour. Richard adopted the style, Earl of Devonshire and Lord of the Isle of Wight. He died in 1140, in the reign of King Stephen and was succeeded by his son>
Richard de Reviers. "Redvers" is a later spelling. The Lordship of the Island was valued for its rents, not its "very high honour" ~ a concept of later times. Richard did not adopt the style of Earl, and he died on 8 September 1107, not in 1140. [Ref: http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-03/beaver1a.html]
Regards,
Curt
Richard married Adelise PEVEREL 2130 in 1089 in Isle Of Wight, England. Adelise was born about 1072 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England 2131 and died on 27 May 1156 2130 about age 84.
Children from this marriage were:
8044388854 i. William De VERNON Lord Of Shipbrook (born about 1095 in Shipbrook, Northwich, Cheshire, England - died about 1174)
ii. Hawise (Maud) De REVIERS was born about 1097 in Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England and died after 1161 2132.
iii. Avis De REDVERS was born about 1100 in Mosterton, Beaminster, Dorsetshire, England.
iv. Baldwin De REVIERS 1st Earl Of Devon was born about 1102 in Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England, died on 4 June 1155 in Exeter, Devonshire, England 2133 about age 53, and was buried in Quarr Abbey, Ryde, Isle Of Wight, England. Another name for Baldwin was 01st Earl Of DEVON Baldwin De Reviers.
16088777709. Adelise PEVEREL,415,2130 daughter of William "The Elder" PEVEREL Of Nottingham and Adeline, was born about 1072 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England 2131 and died on 27 May 1156 2130 about age 84.
General Notes: He [Richard de Reviers] married Adelise, daughter of William PEVEREL of Nottingham, the elder, by Adeline, his wife. He died 8 September 1107, and was buried in the Abbey of Montebourg. His widow survived her eldest son, Baldwin, and died 27 May 1156 or later. [Complete Peerage IV:309-11, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Adelise married Richard Seigneur De REVIERS 2128,2129 in 1089 in Isle Of Wight, England. Richard was born about 1060 in Reviers, Vernon, & Nehou, Normandy, France, died on 8 September 1107 in Mosterton, Beaminster, Dorsetshire, England 2129 about age 47, and was buried in Abbey Of Montebourg, Devonshire, England.
16088777710. Guillaume Seigneur De TANCARVILLE,415 son of Raoul I Seigneur De TANCARVILLE and Helvise De L' ESPINAY, was born about 1062 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1129 about age 67. Another name for Guillaume was William Sire De TANKERVILLE.
Guillaume married Maud D' ARQUES. Maud was born about 1072 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
16088777711. Maud D' ARQUES,415 daughter of William Vicomte D' ARQUES and Beatrice (Beatrix) MALET, was born about 1072 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Maud married Guillaume Seigneur De TANCARVILLE. Guillaume was born about 1062 in Tancarville, Le Havre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1129 about age 67. Another name for Guillaume was William Sire De TANKERVILLE.
16088777712. Thomas BASSET Of Wallingford 415 was born about 1090 in Colston Bassett, Nottinghamshire, England and died in Wallingford, Berkshire, England.
General Notes: No Source is given for this generation. Gilbert may be son of Ralph because birthdays would work better.
Thomas married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388856 i. Gilbert BASSET Of Wallingford (born about 1103 in Wallingford, Berkshire, England - died in 1166)
16088777714. Robert II D' OYLY Lord Of Hooknorton 415,1750 was born about 1065 in Ouilly-Basset, Normandy, France and died in 1142 in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire, England about age 77. Another name for Robert was Robert II D' OILLY Lord Of Hooknorton.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1150. 773
Robert married Edith FITZFORNE Baroness Of Greystoke 1464.,1601 Edith was born about 1072 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England,389,390,1753 died in 1152 389,390,773,1753 about age 80, and was buried in Oseney Abbey, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.389,390,1753
Children from this marriage were:
i. Henry I D' OYLY Of Hooknorton was born about 1100 in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire, England and died about 1163 773 about age 63. Another name for Henry was Henry I D' OILLY Of Hooknorton.
ii. Gilbert D' OYLY Lord Of Hook Norton was born about 1102 in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire, England. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert D' OILLY Lord Of Hook Norton.
8044388857 iii. Edith D' OYLY (born about 1105 in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire, England - died in 1165)
16088777715. Edith FITZFORNE Baroness Of Greystoke 415,670,1464,1601,1746 was born about 1072 in Greystoke, Cumberland, England,389,390,1753 died in 1152 389,390,773,1753 about age 80, and was buried in Oseney Abbey, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.389,390,1753
General Notes:
Granted Barony of Claydon by Henry I
Endowed Oseney Abbey
Noted events in her life were:
• Unknown: Baroness of Greystoke, , Greystoke Manor, Northumberland, England. 390,417
Edith married Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND 1598,1600,1601,1602 about 1089 in No Marriage 389,390.,1095 Henry was born in 1068 in Selby, West Riding Yorkshire, England,389,390,1598,1599 was christened on 5 August 1070 in , Selby, Yorkshire, England,389,390 died on 1 December 1135 in , St Denis, Seine-St Denis, France 389,390,1598 at age 67, and was buried from 4 January 1135 to 1136 in Reading Abbey, Reading, Berkshire, England.389,390
Edith next married Robert II D' OYLY Lord Of Hooknorton.1750 Robert was born about 1065 in Ouilly-Basset, Normandy, France and died in 1142 in Hook Norton, Oxfordshire, England about age 77. Another name for Robert was Robert II D' OILLY Lord Of Hooknorton.
16088777716. Reginald De DUNSTANVILLE Of Winterburn 415,1789 was born about 1100 in Winterbourne, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England and died before 1130 in Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire, England 2134.
Reginald married Gundreda.1789 Gundreda was born about 1100 in England.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777717. Gundreda 415,1789 was born about 1100 in England.
Gundreda married Reginald De DUNSTANVILLE Of Winterburn.1789 Reginald was born about 1100 in Winterbourne, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England and died before 1130 in Poulton, Cirencester, Wiltshire, England 2134.
16088777720. Miles (Milo) Sire De COURTENAY,415,670,1463,2135 son of Joscelin I (Jocelin) Sire De COURTENAY and Elizabeth (Isabel) De MONTLHERY, was born about 1075 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France 2136 and died after 1127 in France 1463.
General Notes: Miles de Courtenay, Lord of Courtenay, founder of Cistercian Abbey of Fontaine-Jean. [Burke's Peerage]
Miles married Ermengarde De NEVERS 1463,2135 in 1095 in France.1463 Ermengarde was born about 1082 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1100 in France about age 18.
The child from this marriage was:
16088777721. Ermengarde De NEVERS,415,670,1463,2135 daughter of Renaud II Comte De Auxerre & NEVERS and Ida Comtesse De FOREZ, was born about 1082 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1100 in France about age 18.
Ermengarde married Miles (Milo) Sire De COURTENAY 1463,2135 in 1095 in France.1463 Miles was born about 1075 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France 2136 and died after 1127 in France 1463.
16088777722. Frederick Sire De DONJON,415,670,902,1790 son of Everard De DONJON and Unknown, was born about 1083 in Corbeil, Yerre-Sur-Oise, France and died in 1138 in Donjon Castle, Corbeil, Yerre-Sur-Oise, France about age 55.
Frederick married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044388861 i. Hedwige Du DONJON (born about 1110 in Donjon Castle, Corbeil, Yerre-Sur-Oise, France - died after 1158)
16088777724. Ralph DEINCOURT 2nd Lord D'eyncourt,415,1132 son of Unknown and Matilda De BRITTANY, was born about 1072 in Blankney, Lincolnshire, England and died before 1158.
General Notes: Ralph (who m. Basilie), son and heir of Walter d'Aincurt, the Domesday lord of Blankney. [Complete Peerage IV:118 note (c)]
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Ralph d'Eyncourt, 2nd baron, son of Walter, s. him. He founded Thurgarton Priory, co. Notts, and was s. by his son, Walter. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 170, d'Eyncourt, Barons d'Eyncourt]
Ralph married Basilie.1132 Basilie was born about 1072 in England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Walter DEINCOURT 3rd Lord D'eyncourt was born about 1100 in Blankney, Lincolnshire, England and died in 1168 about age 68.
ii. Ralph DEINCOURT was born about 1102 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England.
8044388862 iii. William DEINCOURT (born about 1105 in Blankney, Lincolnshire, England - died in 1162 in Devonshire, England)
16088777725. Basilie 415,1132 was born about 1072 in England.
Basilie married Ralph DEINCOURT 2nd Lord D'eyncourt.1132 Ralph was born about 1072 in Blankney, Lincolnshire, England and died before 1158.
16088778752. Sir Mauger I le VAVASOUR of Barnby 505,1793 was born about 1060 in Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Barnby-upon-Don, Doncaster, West Riding, Yorkshire, England.
General Notes:
Mauger (I?), tenant in Yorks 1086 of among others William de Percy; either this Mauger (I?) or another person of the same name (Mauger (II?)), possibly Mauger I?)'s son, witnessed a charter of Alan de Percy temp. Henry I; had [a son or daughter], with a younger son [Robert]. [Burke's Peerage]
Note: Because of the date spans, I believe there was a Mauger I & II.
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(e) Mauger was tenant [in 1086] of William de Percy at Barnby-upon-Don, Cocksford, Edlington, Hazlewood, and Stutton, while he held Hessle, par. of Wragby, of Ilbert de Lacy. The word Vavasour means a vassal, or under-tenant. [Complete Peerage XII/2:230 note (e)]
Mauger married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088778836. Geoffrey V "Le Bon"The Fair PLANTAGENET Count Of Anjou And Maine,415,505,642,670,775,777,1059,1421,1422,1423,1424,1425,1426 son of Foulques V Comte D' ANJOU King Of Jerusalem and Ermengarde (Erembourg) Du MAINE Countess Of Anjou, was born on 24 August 1113 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France,389,390,1427 died on 7 September 1151 in Chateau, Eure-Et-Loire, Normandy, France 389,390,1427 at age 38, and was buried in Saint-Julien Cathedral, Le Mans, France. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey IV Plantagenet Comte D' ANJOU.
General Notes:
The Counts of Anjou, who were known as Angevins, had built up a strong principality in France by conquests and by marriages. Geoffrey, Count of Anjou and the husband of Matilda, extended his possessions by conquering Normandy and by inheriting the French region of Maine. His descendants bore the name of Plantagenet, which came from the planta genesta (broom plant) depicted on his coat of arms. Geoffrey was nicknamed Plantagenet because he wore a sprig of the broom (genet) plant in his cap
Geoffrey V the Fair, Count of Anjou 1131 - 1151 Burke says the marriage was 3 April 1127. The name Plantagenet, according to Rapin, came from when Fulk the Great being stung from remorse for some wicked action, in order to atone for it, went a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, and was scourged before the Holy Sepulchre with broom twigs. Earlier authorities say it was because Geoffrey bore a branch of yellow broom (Planta-genistae) in his helm.
ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA , Vol. 10, Page 135
GEOFFREY, surnamed Plantagenet (or Plantagenet) (1113-1351), count of Anjou, was the son of Count Fulk the Young and Eremburge (or Arembourg) of La Fleche; he was born on August 24, 1113. He is also called ‘le bel" or "the handsome" and received the surname Plantagenet from the habit which he is said to have had of wearing in his cap a sprig of broom (genet). He married (June 20, 1129) Matilda, daughter of Henry I of England, and widow of the emperor Henry V. He died on Sept 7, 1151, and was buried in the cathedral of Le Mans. By his wife Matilda he had three sons: Henry Plantagenet (Henry II), Geoffrey and William.
ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA , Vol 1, Page 993, Anjou
In 1127 a new alliance was made (between Fulk and Henry I], and on May 22, at Rouen, Henry I betrothed his daughter Matilda (widow of the emperor Henry V) to Geoffrey Plantagenet, or the Handsome, Fulk's son, the marriage being celebrated at Le Mans on June 2, 1129. Shortly after, on the invitation of Baldwin II, king of Jerusalem, Fulk departed to the Holy Land, married Melisinda, Baldwin's daughter and heiress, and succeeded to the throne of Jerusalem (Sept 14, 1331). His eldest son, Geoffrey IV or Plantagenet, succeeded him as count of Anjou (1129-51). From the first Geoffrey tried to profit by his marriage, and after the death of Henry I (Dec 1, 1135), laid the foundation of the conquest of Normandy by a series of campaigns: about he end of 1135 or the beginning of 1136 he entered that country and rejoined his wife, the countess Matilda, who had received the submission of Argentan, Domfront and Exmes. Recalled into Anjou by a revolt of his barons, he returned to the charge in Sept 1136 with a strong army, but after a few successes was wounded in the foot at the siege of Le Sap (Oct. 1) an had to fall back. In May 1137 began a fresh campaign in which he devastated the district of Hiemois (round Exmes) and burnt Bazoches. In June 1138, with the aid of Robert of Gloucester, Geoffrey obtained the submission of Bayeux and Caen; in October he devastated the neighbourhood of Falaise; finally in March 1141, on hearing of his wife's success in England, he again entered Normandy. Many towns surrendered; in 1144 he entered Rouen, and received the ducal crown in the cathedral. Finally in 1149, after crushing a last attempt at revolt, he handed over the duchy to his son Henry (later Henry II of England], who received the investments at the hands of the king of France.
Noted events in his life were:
• Title: Duke of Normandie, , , Normandie, France. 390
• Title: Count of Anjou, , , Anjou, France. 390
Geoffrey married Maud "The Empress" Princess Of ENGLAND Queen Of England,1427,1428,1432,1433 daughter of Duke & Lion Of Justice Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of ENGLAND and Matilda "Atheling" SCOTLAND Queen Of England, on 3 April 1127 in Lemanns, Sarthe, France 389,390,835,1095,1428,1429,1430.,1431 Maud was born from 7 February 1101 to 1102 in Winchester, Hants, England,389,390,1427,1429,1431,1434,1435 died on 10 September 1167 in Abbey Of Notre Dame Des Pres, Rouen, France 389,390,1428,1434,1436,1437 at age 66, and was buried in Rouen Cathedral, Rouen, France.389,390,1436 Other names for Maud were Aethelic, Alice, Edith, Empress Matilda, Matilda, Maud, Mahaut De NORMANDIE, and Adelaide De NORMANTIE.
Geoffrey next married Adelaide Of ANGERS 1440 before 1129 in No Marriage.1439 Adelaide was born about 1112 in Angers, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 10 September 1169 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy about age 57.
Geoffrey next married Unnamed.
Geoffrey next married Geoffrey V PLANTAGENET Concubine 2. Geoffrey was born about 1113 in <Angoulême, Cordeliersk, Charente-Maritime, France>.389,390
Marriage Notes: _STATConcubinage
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16088778837. Adelaide Of ANGERS 415,505,670,1440 was born about 1112 in Angers, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 10 September 1169 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy about age 57.
Adelaide married Geoffrey V "Le Bon"The Fair PLANTAGENET Count Of Anjou And Maine 1423,1424,1425,1426 before 1129 in No Marriage.1439 Geoffrey was born on 24 August 1113 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France,389,390,1427 died on 7 September 1151 in Chateau, Eure-Et-Loire, Normandy, France 389,390,1427 at age 38, and was buried in Saint-Julien Cathedral, Le Mans, France. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey IV Plantagenet Comte D' ANJOU.
16088778838. William De WARENNE 3rd Earl Of Surrey,415,505,642,670,1006,1011,1014,1015 son of William De WARENNE 2nd Earl Of Surrey and Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1119 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1011,1015,1016 and died from 19 January 1147 to 1148 in Laodicea, Holy Lands (Dspm) 389,390,1011,1015 about age 28. The cause of his death was Died in the Holy Land. Another name for William was 03rd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
General Notes:
EARLDOM OF SURREY (III) 1138
WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) III, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir, was born probably in 1119. In June 1137 he was one of the nobles who deserted Stephen's army in Normandy. The King pursued them to Pontaudemer, where he held William de Warenne junior and other youths and did his best to pacify them; but did not dare to make them fight. He was with his half-brother Waleran, Count of Meulan, at Rouen on 18 Dec. 113 8, and at Oxford in 1139 or early in 1140. On 2 February 1140/1 he was in Stephen's army at the battle of Lincoln, and with Waleran fled before the enemy's opening charge. However, the brothers soon rallied to the Queen and were with her in London about June 1141. After the King's release on 1 November he witnessed royal charters at Canterbury at Christmas 1141 and at Ipswich early in 1142. On Palm Sunday, 24 March 1145/6, he took the cross, and in June 1147 he set off on crusade. He was a benefactor to the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Nosteil and Thetford, the Templars and St. Mary's Abbey, York. He married Ela or Ala, daughter of William TALVAS, COUNT OF PONTHIEU (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, COUNT OF TOULOUSE, and daughter of Eudes BOREL, DUKE OF BURGUNDY. He died s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea (i). His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE or SALISBURY (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174. [Complete Peerage XII/1:496-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(i) He left an only daughter and heir Isabel. He was probably the first to assume the checkered shield of gold and azure, differenced by the change of colour from the checkered shield borne by his half-brother Waleran, Count of Meulan.
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William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 3rd Earl of Surrey, zealously espoused the cause of King Stephen and had a chief command in the army of that monarch in the battle fought at Lincoln between him and the adherents of the Empress Maud. His lordship m. Adela, dau. of William Talvace, son of Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Shrewsbury, and had by her (who m. 2ndly, Patrick de Evreux, Earl of Salisbury) had an only dau. and heir, Isabel. In 1147, the Earl of Warrenne and Surrey assumed the cross and accompanoied Lewis, King of France, to the Holy Land against the Saracens. From this unfortunate enterprise the earl never returned, but whether he fell in battle or died in captivity has not been ascertained. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]
Noted events in his life were:
• Title: Earl of Warren, , Warren, Sussex, England. 390,417,418,642,1014
• Title: Earl of Surrey, , , Surrey, England. 390,417,418,642,1014
William married Ela De TALVAISE Countess Of Montreuil 1007,1009,1011,1012 about 1136 in 1st Husband 389,390,642,1007,1010.,1014 Ela was born from 1118 to 1119 in Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France 389,390 and died on 4 October 1174 in Priory, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England 389,390,1007,1009,1012 at age 55. Another name for Ela was Ela D' ALENCON.
16088778839. Ela De TALVAISE Countess Of Montreuil,415,505,670,1007,1009,1010,1011,1012 daughter of William III TALVAS Count Of Alencon & Ponthieu and Alice (Alix Or Ela) Borel Of BURGUNDY Duchess Of Alençon, was born from 1118 to 1119 in Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France 389,390 and died on 4 October 1174 in Priory, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England 389,390,1007,1009,1012 at age 55. Another name for Ela was Ela D' ALENCON.
General Notes:
He [William de Warenne] married Ela or Ala, daughter of William TALVAS, COUNT OF PONTHIEU (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, COUNT OF TOULOUSE, and daughter of Eudes BOREL, DUKE OF BURGUNDY. He died s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea. His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE or SALISBURY (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174. [Complete Peerage XII/1:496-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Noted events in her life were:
• Title: Countess of Montreuil, <, Montreuil-Sous-Bois, Seine-St-Denis, France>. 390,417,1010
• Title: Countess of Ponthieu, <, Ponthieu, Picardie, France>. 390,417,1010
• Title: Countess of Salisbury, Salisbury, , Wiltshire, England. 390,417,1010
Ela married William De WARENNE 3rd Earl Of Surrey 1006,1011,1015 about 1136 in 1st Husband 389,390,642,1007,1010.,1014 William was born about 1119 in Lewes, Sussex, England 389,390,1011,1015,1016 and died from 19 January 1147 to 1148 in Laodicea, Holy Lands (Dspm) 389,390,1011,1015 about age 28. The cause of his death was Died in the Holy Land. Another name for William was 03rd Earl Of SURREY William De Warenne.
Ela next married Patrick De SALISBURY 1st Earl Of Salisbury,662,746,861,1006,1007,1008,1009 son of Walter D'evereux SALISBURY Sheriff Of Wiltshire and Sibyl De CHAWORTH Countess Of Salisbury, before 1152 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 389,390,1006,1007.,1010 Patrick was born about 1120 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England,389,390 died on 27 March 1168 in Slain In Poitou, Vienne, France 389,390,1006,1009 about age 48, and was buried in St. Hilaire Abbey, Poitiers, Poitou, Vienne, France.389,390 The cause of his death was killed by Guy de Lusignan.
Noted events in his life were:
• Unknown: Earl of Salisbury, Salisbury, , Wiltshire, England. 390,417,418
16088778842. Odinel II De UMFREVILLE Lord Of Prudhoe,399,415,662,1497,1498,1499,1500,1501,1502 son of Odinel I De UMFREVILLE Baron Of Prudhoe and Unknown, was born about 1125 in Prudhoe, Hexham, Northumberland, England 820 and died in 1182 in Castle Prudhoe, Northumberland, England 1497 about age 57.
General Notes:
Lord of Prudhoe, co. Northumberland; father of Margery. [Magna Charta Sureties, p. 1]
Father of Margery who m. William d'Albini. [Magna Charta Barons, p. 73]
Son of Odinel de Umphraville; m. Alice de Lucy; father of Alice. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]
In 1157 Henry II ordered Odinel de Umfraville to build a castle at Harbottle as a part of his policy to replace timber constructions with stone. This may have taken a considerable time, and permission was granted from the Crown for further fortification in 1220. [Medieval Castles, Towers, Peles and Bastles of Northumberland, p. 37]
Odinel of Umfraville built the first stone gatehouse at Prudhoe Castle. William the Lion, King of Scotland, had a particular grudge against Odinel, who did not support his claim to the earldom of Northumberland. In 1173 he attacked the Castle, but it was too strong to be taken and he went away.
In 1174 he returned and subjected the Castle to three days of furious attack, but the Castle had been strengthened by stone walls. Once again the attack failed and the Scots in anger burnt the corn in the fields, savaged the gardens and hacked the apple trees in the orchards. The angry Lion King of Scotland was captured in Alnwick Park. After the siege local inhabitants were called upon to perform the customary duty of castle building or repairing since much damage had been done. [Medieval Castles, Towers, Peles and Bastles of Northumberland, p. 82]
Odinel II was brought up in the household of Earl Henry, father of the Scottish King, William the Lion. On a personal level, it was the rejection by Odinel d'Umfraville of his Scottish relationship and of his upbringing in William the Lion's father's household in favour of the English King which so incensed William and ensured that Prudhoe Castle would be besieged in 1173 and 1174.
The first historical references to Prudhoe Castle itself relate to its successful resistance to these two sieges. The action was vividly described by the contemporary chronicler, Jordan Fantosme. In 1173 William the Lion, having realised that Newcastle was unlikely to be taken without the use of siege engines, turned on Odinel d'Umfraville at Prudhoe as an expression of his personal grievance.
As described by Jordan Fantosme: "The King of Scotland had his pavilions, his tents, and his marquees pitched there, and his earls and barons assembled, and he said to his noblemen: 'My lords, what shall we do? As long as Prudhoe stands we shall never have peace.'"
The Flemish mercenaries were all for attacking and demolishing the castle but the Scottish lords were disinclined to wait for a long siege and persuaded the King to move on against Carlisle. As Odinel was important to the English king, Henry II, he was granted 20 pounds to retain knights in Prudhoe Castle in Henry's interest after this first attack.
In the following year, "King William now goes straight to Odinel, intending to take him by surprise and seize the castle: but the castle was newly provisioned... Odinel had settled some excellent men in the castle, making it such a fortress that I never saw better ones anywhere." Odinel was, however, persuaded by the garrison to leave the castle as he would be given short shrift if the castle was taken.
The castle was assaulted but Odinel rode off on "good brown Baucan" and raised a relieving force. The siege lasted three days without significant damage to the castle "but outside they have lost their fields and their standing crops of wheat and their gardens were stripped by their evil adversaries; and anyone who could think of nothing worse to do barked the fruit trees, thus working off his spite."
Instead of pursuing the siege, the Scottish army moved off to Alnwick burning and harrying as they went. The siege of Wark during this campaign, however, demonstrated that without siege engines the Scots were not to make progress against strongly defended castles. Indeed when a catapult was brought into action at Wark the first stone "barely tumbled out of the sling and it knocked one of their own knights to the ground."
Odinel and his force eventually surprised the Scottish King outside Alnwick. The King's horse was killed and pinned William to the ground. His capture and the rout of the Scottish army ended this particular episode.
Odinel subsequently received substantial compensation on account of damage by the Scots, but it is not clear whether this was applied to the castle structure. After the second siege, however, Odinel levied labour for the rebuilding of the castle implying that damage had been done. [Prudhoe Castle, p. 22-3]
Son of Odinel de Umfreville; m. Alice Lucy; father of:
1. Robert
2. William
3. Alice who m. William Bertram and Roger Fitzwalter
4. Richard who m.?? Baliol
5. Margery who m. William de Albini
6. Gilbert
7. Odinel
8. Emma who m. Walter de Bolam and Peter de Vaux
[WFT European Origins Ped 235]
About 1173 or soon after a great tower was raised in the western part of the enclosure at Prudhoe, which by then may have been partly given a stone curtain.
The tower was almost square in plan, three storeys tall, and with a forebuilding at the eastern end; it is one of the oldest in Northumberland. The gatehouse was also built in the 12th century. [Castles of Britain and Ireland, p. 172]
Odinel married Alice De LUCY 662,1158,1503 about 1155 in Pruchoe, Northumberland, England. Alice was born about 1129 in Luce, Near Maine, Normandy, France 820 and died in 1197 in Prudhoe Castle, Northumberland, England about age 68.
16088778843. Alice De LUCY,399,415,662,1158,1503 daughter of Richard "The Loyal" De LUCY Justiciar-England and Rohese Fitzrichard De CLARE, was born about 1129 in Luce, Near Maine, Normandy, France 820 and died in 1197 in Prudhoe Castle, Northumberland, England about age 68.
General Notes:
Dau. of Richard de Lucy and Roesia; m. Odinel de Umphraville; mother of Alice; mother of Richard who m. Sibyl de Torrington. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD #100]
Dau. of Richard de Lucy of Diss (the justiciar) m. Odinel (II) de Umfreville (d. 1182) of Prudhoe, Northumberland. This pair were the ancestors of Gilbert who m. Maud de Lucy (of the Egremont family). [Richard Borthwick]
Dau. of Richard de Lucy and Rohaise; m. Odinel Umfreville; mother of Robert, William, Alice, Richard, Margrey, Gilbert, Odinel, and Emma. [WFT European Origins Ped 235]
b.1129, d. 1197; dau of Richard 'the Loyal' de Lucy and Rohese FitzRichard de Clare; m. Odinel II de Umfreville; mother of Margery, Robert, Alice and Richard. [<[email protected], 5 Dec 2003]
Noted events in her life were:
• Lived: Diss, Norfolk, England.
Alice married Odinel II De UMFREVILLE Lord Of Prudhoe 662,1497,1498,1499,1500,1501,1502 about 1155 in Pruchoe, Northumberland, England. Odinel was born about 1125 in Prudhoe, Hexham, Northumberland, England 820 and died in 1182 in Castle Prudhoe, Northumberland, England 1497 about age 57.
16088779038. William De ARCHES Lord Of Thorp Arches,415,1814 son of Osbern De ARCHES Of Thorp Arches and Unknown, was born in 1090 in Newton Kyme Or Scagglethorpe, Yorkshire, England and died about 1154 in Thorp Arch, West Riding Yorkshire, England 1814 about age 64.
William married Ivetta.2137 Ivetta was born about 1110 of Yorkshire, England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Robert De ARCHES Lord Of Wrauby, Sir was born about 1132 in Wrawby, Glanford Brigg, Lincolnshire, England.
8044389519 ii. Juetta De ARCHES (born about 1137 in Scagglethorpe, Yorkshire, England - died in 1206)
16088779039. Ivetta 415,2137 was born about 1110 of Yorkshire, England.
Ivetta married William De ARCHES Lord Of Thorp Arches.1814 William was born in 1090 in Newton Kyme Or Scagglethorpe, Yorkshire, England and died about 1154 in Thorp Arch, West Riding Yorkshire, England 1814 about age 64.
16088779210. William De MERLAY Of Morpeth, Sir Knight 415 was born about 1065 in Normandy, France and died in Morpeth, Northumberland, England.
William married.
Children from this marriage were:
i. William De MERLAY Of Morpeth, Sir Knight was born about 1095 in Morpeth, Northumberland, England and died about 1129 in Northumberland about age 34.
8044389605 ii. Hawise De MERLAY (born about 1105 in Morpeth, Northumberland, England)
16088779216. Robert II De UMFREVILLE Of Redesdale, Sir 415,1158 was born about 1068 in Forest & Vale, Redsedale, Northumberland, England and died after 1145 in Prudhoe, Hexham, Northumberland, England 1158.
Robert married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779224. William I Baron De TORRINGTON Sir 415 was born about 1109 in Great Torrington, Devonshire, England.
William married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389612 i. William II Baron De TORRINGTON Sir (born about 1134 in Great Torrington, Devonshire, England - died after 1170)
16088779392. Louis VI "The Fat" King Of FRANCE,415,670,1524,1993,2138 son of Philip I "The Fair" King Of FRANCE and Bertha Of HOLLAND, was born in 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1993,2138 and died on 1 August 1137 in Chateau Bethizy, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,1993,2138 at age 56.
General Notes:
Almost all of his 29 year reign was spent fighting either the "robber barons" who plagued Paris, or the English. Nonetheless, King Louis managed to reinforce his power considerably and endeared himself to the working classes of France.
Louis VI died on August 1, 1137 and is interred in Saint Denis Basilica.
He was succeeded on the throne by his son Louis VII. 2139
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1077. 1524
• Ruled: 1108-1137.
Louis married Lucienne De MONTLHERY,2140,2141 daughter of Guy II De MONTLHERY Comte De Rochefort and Unknown, in 1104 in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1107.2140 Lucienne was born in 1088 in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2140 and died after 1137. Another name for Lucienne was Lucienne De ROCHEFORT.
The child from this marriage was:
i. Isabelle Princess Of FRANCE was born about 1101 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.
Louis next married Adelaide Of SAVOY 1524,1914,1993 in April 1115 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1524.,1993 Adelaide was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1993 and died on 18 November 1154 1524,1993 about age 62. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Of MAURIENNE.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Louis VII "The Younger" King Of FRANCE King Of France was born about 1120 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France,1517,1518 died on 18 September 1180 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1517,1518,1524 about age 60, and was buried in Notre-Dame-DE-Barbeau, Fontainbleau, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.
iii. Constance Princess Of FRANCE was born about 1124 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died about 1180 in (Dsp) 2142 about age 56.
8044389718 iv. Peter I Comte De COURTENAY Prince Of France (born about 1125 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France - died in 1183 in Palestine)
16088779393. Adelaide Of SAVOY,415,670,1524,1914,1993 daughter of Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY and Gisela Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1993 and died on 18 November 1154 1524,1993 about age 62. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Of MAURIENNE.
Adelaide married Louis VI "The Fat" King Of FRANCE 1524,1993,2138 in April 1115 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1524.,1993 Louis was born in 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1993,2138 and died on 1 August 1137 in Chateau Bethizy, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,1993,2138 at age 56.
Adelaide next married Mathieu (Matthew) I De MONTMORENCY,1914,1920 son of Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY and Agnes De BEAUMONT, after 1141 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.1920 Mathieu was born about 1090 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 28 October 1160 1914 about age 70.
16088779394. Gui Seigneur De BAUDEMONT,670,2143 son of Andre Sire De BAUDEMONT Senschal Of Champagne and Agnes Dame De BRAINE, was born in 1098 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died before 1144 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France 2143. Other names for Gui were Guy Seigneur De BRAINE & Baudemont, and Guy Seigneur De Braine & De VAUDEMONT.1821
Gui married Alix.2143 Alix was born in 1100 in France.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389697 i. Agnes De BAUDEMONT Dame De Braine (born in 1130 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 24 July 1204)
16088779395. Alix 670,2143 was born in 1100 in France.
Alix married Gui Seigneur De BAUDEMONT.2143 Gui was born in 1098 in Baudemont, Val-DE-Oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died before 1144 in Braine, Aisne, Picardy, France 2143. Other names for Gui were Guy Seigneur De BRAINE & Baudemont, and Guy Seigneur De Braine & De VAUDEMONT.1821
16088779396. Enguerrand II Sire De COUCY & Marle,670,1822 son of Thomas De COUCY Comte D'amiens and Melisende De MONTLHERY, was born about 1110 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2144 and died in 1148 in Nazareth, Palestine 1822 about age 38. Another name for Enguerrand was Enguerrand II Sire De Coucy & MARLE.
Enguerrand married Agnes De BEAUGENCY 1822 in 1132.1822 Agnes was born about 1108 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.1822
The child from this marriage was:
16088779397. Agnes De BEAUGENCY,670,1822 daughter of Raoul I Sire De BEAUGENCY and Maud (Matilda) De VERMANDOIS, was born about 1108 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.1822
Agnes married Enguerrand II Sire De COUCY & Marle 1822 in 1132.1822 Enguerrand was born about 1110 in Coucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2144 and died in 1148 in Nazareth, Palestine 1822 about age 38. Another name for Enguerrand was Enguerrand II Sire De Coucy & MARLE.
16088779398. Baudouin IV "Le Batisseur" Count Of HAINAULT,415,670,1506,1914,2112 son of Baudouin III Count Of HAINAULT and Yolande Von WASSENBERG Of Guelders, was born about 1112 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium and died on 8 November 1171 2112,2115 about age 59.
Baudouin married Alix (Adelaide\Ermensinde) De NAMUR 1506,1914,2112 about 1140 in Namur, Belgium. Alix was born about 1117 in Namur, Belgium and died in November 1195 2115 about age 78.
Children from this marriage were:
8044389699 i. Agnes Of HAINAULT (born in 1141 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium - died in 1174)
ii. Laura (Laurentia) De HAINAULT was born about 1142 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium and died on 9 August 1181 1914 about age 39.
iii. Baudouin VIII Count (V Of Hainault) Of FLANDERS was born in 1150 in Hainault, France 2112,2145 and died on 17 December 1195 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium 2112,2146 at age 45. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin V Count Of HAINAULT.
iv. Yolande Of HAINAULT was born about 1153 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium and died after November 1202.
16088779399. Alix (Adelaide\Ermensinde) De NAMUR,415,670,1506,1914,2112 daughter of Godfrey Comte De NAMUR and Ermesinde Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 1117 in Namur, Belgium and died in November 1195 2115 about age 78.
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1169. 2147
Alix married Baudouin IV "Le Batisseur" Count Of HAINAULT 1506,1914,2112 about 1140 in Namur, Belgium. Baudouin was born about 1112 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium and died on 8 November 1171 2112,2115 about age 59.
16088779400. Aimery VI Vicomte de THOUARS, son of Geoffrey III Vicomte De THOUARS and Ameline, was born about 1095 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1127 about age 32.
Aimery married Mathilde (Agnes) De POITOU.2148 Mathilde was born about 1103 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 10 August 1157 2148 about age 54. Another name for Mathilde was Mahaut De POITIERS.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389700 i. William Vicomte de THOUARS (born about 1125 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France)
16088779401. Mathilde (Agnes) De POITOU,415,670,2148 daughter of William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine and Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE, was born about 1103 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 10 August 1157 2148 about age 54. Another name for Mathilde was Mahaut De POITIERS.
Mathilde married Aimery VI Vicomte de THOUARS. Aimery was born about 1095 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1127 about age 32.
16088779402. Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN,1948 son of Hugh VI "Le Diable" Sire De LUSIGNAN and Ildegarde (Hildegarde) De THOUARS, was born about 1090 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died from after 2 February 1150 to 1151 1948.
Hugh married Sarazine (Saracena) Of ARMENIA.1948 Sarazine was born about 1095 in Armenia and died in 1144 about age 49.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Ponce De LUSIGNAN was born about 1115 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France.
8044389701 iii. Aenor De LUSIGNAN (born about 1125 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France)
16088779403. Sarazine (Saracena) Of ARMENIA 1948 was born about 1095 in Armenia and died in 1144 about age 49.
Sarazine married Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN.1948 Hugh was born about 1090 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died from after 2 February 1150 to 1151 1948.
16088779404. Alan "the Black" Duke of BRITTANY 1st Earl Of Richmond,415,505,666,1685,1689 son of Stephen Count Of BRITTANY Baron Of Richmond and Hawise de SOURDEVAL Countess of Guingamp, was born before 1100 in York, Yorkshire, England 505,1689 and died on 15 September 1146 in Begard, Bretagne, France 505,1685,1689. Another name for Alan was Alan de BRETAGNE 1st Earl of Richmond.
General Notes:
Richmond, previous creations: Alan III, a Count of Brittany, whose uncle, another Alan, was probably a companion in arms of William I (The Conqueror) at Hastings and was granted vast land holdings in Yorkshire almost immediately after the Conquest, seems to have been recognized as Earl of Richmond by 1136. There is no record of his formal investiture with the dignity, however.
His title derived from Richmond Castle in North Yorkshire, which his uncle Alan had built not long before dying in 1089 and which remained the caput or administrative centre of the honor (agglomeration of knight's fees in a single unit under the feudal system). Richmond Castle was granted to the 1st Duke of Richmond of the present creation in August 1675, the same month he was first ennobled, but the medieval hono comprised lands throughout eastern England, not just in Yorkshire. Earl Alan sided with Stephen against the Empress Maud at the time of the Anarchyl. His son Conan IV held the Dukedom of Brittany (right to which he enjoyed through his mother, Alan's wife) as well as the Earldom of Richmond.
Conan IV had an only child, a daughter Constance, who married first Geoffrey, a younger son of Henry II of England who was thus acknowledged as Earl of Richmond and Duke of Brittany, then Ranulf, Earl of Chester, who styled himself Earl of Richmond and Duke of Brittany too. She divorced Ranulf in 1199 and took a third husband, Guy de Thouars, who ran the Richmond estates, but may not necessarily have been recognized as Earl of Richmond. Guy sided with the King of France against King John of England in 1203, whereupon his English lands were forfeited, after which the question as to whether he enjoyed recognition as Earl hardly arises. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2402]
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EARLDOM OF RICHMOND (I)
ALAN III the Black (Niger), a count of Brittany and EARL OF RICHMOND, 2nd son of Stephen, born before 1100. He seems to have been marked out as the successor to his father's English lands. In 1139 an unnamed nephew of his was killed at the King's court by the servants of Roger, Bishop of Salisbury, and of the Bishops of Lincoln and Ely, and Alan urged the King to reprisals, thus contributing to the fall of the bishops. In 1140 he seized the castle of "Galclint" with its treasure, ejecting William d'Aubigny therefrom; he afterwards built a castle at "Hotun," being land of the Bishop of Durham, and ravaged Ripon and the property of the archbishopric of York. In the same year, 1140, King Stephen deprived Reynold de Dunstanville, illegitimate son of Henry I, of his lands in Cornwall and,gave the county, (patriam) to Alan, who seems to have had some claim to it as heir of his uncle Brian; he thereupon became, or at any rate assumed the style of EARL OF CORNWALL. He fought on the side of Stephen at the battle of Lincoln, 2 February 1141, but was put to flight at the outset by the charge of the "Disinherited." Later in the same year he was taken prisoner by Ranulf, Earl of Chester, who forced him to do homage and to surrender the Earldom of Cornwall to Reynold de Dunstanville. At Christmas 1141 he was with the King at Canterbury, where as comes Alanus he witnessed the King's second charter for Geoffrey de Mandeville. After Easter 1142 a tournament between him and William, Count of Aumale, was stopped by the King. In 1143 he invaded the church of Ripon and insulted Archbishop William at the tomb of St. Wilfred. In or shortly before 1145 he issued two charters of confirmation for the abbey of Jervaulx, adding a gift of common of pasture. In 1145 he crossed to Brittany, whence he never returned, and later in the year at Quimper issued a charter confirining the abbey of St. Melaine at Rennes in its rights over the church of St. Sauveur at Guingamp and over their possessions in England. In Brittany he executed two other charters, which have survived, one at Rennes on 6 January 1146 and the other at Ploërrnel.
He married Bertha, daughter of Conan III, DUKE OF BRITTANY, by Maud, illegitimate daughter of HENRY I. He, died in Brittany, 15 September 1146, and was buried at Bégard. His widow married, 2ndly, in or before 1148, Eudon, VICOMTE OF PORHOËT, who on the death of Conan III in 1148 was recognised as Duke of Brittany jure uxoris; she had Costessy and othcr lands in Norfolk In dower, and was living in 1162, but dead in 1167. [Complete Peerage X:788-91, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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Alan Niger was an active partisan of King Stephen in his contest with the Empress Maud. In 1142, he took the castle of Lincoln, with considerable treasure, from Ranulph, Earl of Chester, by scaling the walls at night. He also garrisoned the castle of Hotun, in Yorkshire, then part of the bishop of Durham's possessions, and made great spoil at Ripon upon the demesnes and tenants of thearchbishop of York. This Alan Niger, who is described as a most deceitful, wicked person, wrote himself Earl of Brittany, Cornwall, and Richmond; but notwithstanding that character, he appears, like his progenitors, to have been a munificent benefactor to the church. His lordship m. Bertha, dau. and heir of Conan le Gros, the 3rd Duke of Bretagne (and by this marriage acquired the title of Duke of Brittany) and had issue, Conan le Petit, his successor, Brian, Guy, and Reginald. He d. in 1165 and was s. by his eldest son. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 162, de Dreux, Earls of Richmond]
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In the summer of 1140, Stephen with his amazingly consistent energy against new threats, brought an army to Cornwall to regain his own lands there. He recovered all the castles which had fallen into the hands of Reginald, illegitimate son of Henry I, with the exception of the one Reginald himself inhabited. Stephen introduced his own loyal supporter, Alan of Penthièvre, into Cornwall, gave the recovered lands into his hands, and shortly afterwards created him Earl of Cornwall. However, Matilda gave Reginald the same title, and the two rival earls were left to contest their claims. In February, 1141, Alan fought alongside Stephen at the Battle of Lincoln. After the defeat of Stephen's forces, Alan continued to fight on and tried to ambush Ranulf of Chester but was captured, put in chains and tortured in a dungeon until he submitted to Ranulf, did homage to him, and handed over his castles. Another result of this humiliation for Alan was that it confirmed that his rival in the west country, Reginald, would keep the earldom of Cornwall. [Jim Bradbury, Stephen and Matilda, The Civil War of 1139-53, Alan Sutton Publishing Ltd., Gloucestershire, 1996] 505
Alan married Bertha Heiress of BRITTANY.505 Bertha was born about 1122 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 505 and died before 1167 in Richmond, Yorkshire, England 505.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779405. Bertha Heiress of BRITTANY,505 daughter of Conan III "Le Gross" Duke Of BRITTANY and Maud Of ENGLAND, was born about 1122 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 505 and died before 1167 in Richmond, Yorkshire, England 505.
General Notes:
He [Alan Duke of Brittany] married Bertha, daughter of Conan III, DUKE OF BRITTANY, by Maud, illegitimate daughter of HENRY I. He, died in Brittany, 15 September 1146, and was buried at Bégard. His widow married, 2ndly, in or before 1148, Eudon, VICOMTE OF PORHOËT, who on the death of Conan III in 1148 was recognised as Duke of Brittany jure uxoris; she had Costessy and othcr lands in Norfolk In dower, and was living in 1162, but dead in 1167. [Complete Peerage X:788-91, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Bertha married Alan "the Black" Duke of BRITTANY 1st Earl Of Richmond 505,666,1685.,1689 Alan was born before 1100 in York, Yorkshire, England 505,1689 and died on 15 September 1146 in Begard, Bretagne, France 505,1685,1689. Another name for Alan was Alan de BRETAGNE 1st Earl of Richmond.
16088779428. William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine,415,670,2149,2150,2151 son of William VI Guy Count Of POITOU Viii D'aquitaine and Hildegarde (Audearde) Of BURGUNDY, was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
General Notes: Crusader 1101, "le Troubadour", 1st known singer/poet in the vernacular. [Ancestral Roots]
William married Ermangarde De ANJOU Duchess Of Bretagne,2004,2152,2153 daughter of Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency, in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1090.2152 Ermangarde was born about 1072 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390 and died on 1 June 1147 389,390,2004,2063 about age 75. Another name for Ermangarde was Hermengarde Of BRETAGNE.
William next married Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE 2151,2155,2156 in 1094 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1115/6 2150.,2154 Philippa was born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died on 28 November 1117 2150.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Raymond De POITOU Prince Of Antioch was born about 1100 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France and died from 27 January 1148 to 1149 about age 48. Another name for Raymond was Raimond De POITIERS Prince Of Antioch.
16088779401 iv. Mathilde (Agnes) De POITOU (born about 1103 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France - died on 10 August 1157)
William next married Dangereuse De L'isle BOUCHARD 2157,2158 after 1116 in Late Mistress (No Marriage).2157 Dangereuse was born about 1079 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died after 1119. Another name for Dangereuse was Dangereuse MAUBERGEONNE.
16088779429. Philippa (Maud\Matilda) De TOULOUSE,415,670,2151,2155,2156 daughter of William IV Count Of TOULOUSE Duke Of Narbonne and Emma De MORTAIGNE, was born after 1080 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died on 28 November 1117 2150.
General Notes:
Philippa (Matilda or Maud) of Toulouse, b. ca. 1073, divorced 1115/6, d. 28 Nov 1117; m. (1) Sancho Ramiros, King of Aragon; m. (2) 1094, William VII of Poitou (IX of Aquitaine), Count of Poitou, Duke of Aquitaine, b. ca. 22 Oct 1071, d. 10 Feb 1126/7, crusader 1101. [Ancestral Roots]
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The following post to SGM, 6 Mar 2003, by Thierry Stasser in response to my query, dispells the marriage of Philippa & Sancho Ramirez, as well as AR's "ca. 1073" birth date:
From: Thierry Stasser ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Phillipa de Toulouse, granddaughter of Maud de Montgomery & Robert de Mortain
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-06 12:42:53 PST
William IV of Toulouse married Emma, dau of Robert of Mortain, before June 16, 1080 (Histoire Générale de Languedoc, vol V, col 649- 652: ego Guillelmus Tolosanensium...comes et dux...me simul cum uxore mea nomine Emma...facta carta hujus donationis anno millesimo LXXX incarnationis Christi regnante Philippo rege...; and col 652-654: ego guillelmus dei gratia Tolosanorum ..;comes et dux et ego Emma uxor eius... facta carta donationis hujus anno Incarnatione Domini M LXXX regnante Philippo rege Francorum feria II , XVI kalendas julii...). William IV had been previously married to a lady Mantilis, mentioned in 1067 (Ibidem, vol V, col 544: ipse et Mantilis comitissa eius uxor). William IV of Toulouse's second marriage is then dated 1068/1080, but most probably about 1079, as Emma was not born before 1064/1065.
Contrary to previous assumptions, Philippa had not been married to the king of Aragon Sancho Ramirez (S de VAJAY, Ramire II le Moine, roi d'Aragon et Agnes de poitou dans l'histoire et la légende, in Mélanges offerts à René crozet, 2 vol, Poitiers, 1966, vol 2, p 727-750; R E Harvey, The wives of the first troubadour Duke William IX of Aquitaine, in Journal of Medieval History, vol 19, 1993, p 315). Philippa married William IX of Aquitaine in 1094 (La chronique de Saint Maixent, ed. J Verdon, Paris, 1979, p 170). Sancho Ramirez of Aragon had been married 1st to Elisabeth of Urgell, and then by 1076 to Felicia of Roucy (J de Salarrullana de Dios, Documentos correspondientes al reinado de Sancho ramirez, Saragossa, 1907, vol 1, nr 12, p 25-26: ego Sancius gratia Dei rex et laudo hoc quod donavit regina domna Felicia mea uxor...facta carta in era MCXIIII...; this document is dated of Hispanic era). Queen Felicia was still alive in january 1094 (ibidem, vol I, nr 51, p 204-207: dono ego Sancius gratia Dei Aragonensium rex ...and ego felicia regina...facta carta era MCXXXII...) and died on May 3, 1123 (Necrologio del monasterio de San Victorian, in Espana sagrada, ed. H Florez, vol 46, p 278: V non. maii obiit Felicia regina anno MCXXIII). King sancho ramirez died on June 6 1094. So he cannot have married Philippa of Toulouse
I hope this helps
Thierry
dans l'article [email protected], Jim Weber à
[email protected] a écrit le 5/03/03 17:52 :
I ran into a problem with a date given by AR for the approximate birth year of
Philippa de Toulouse, as it relates with the marriage dates given for her
parents and grandparents by CP. I find that all of the dates involved are
questionable and could use the newsgroup's expertise in determining the better
dates.
According to Weis' Ancestral Roots (AR), line 185-3, Phillipa (Maud or
Matilda), daughter of William IV de Toulouse and Emma de Mortain, m. (1)
Sancho Ramirez King of Aragon; (2) in 1094, William VII of Poitou &
Aquitaine. The birth year "ca. 1073" given by AR for Philippa does not fit
with the marriage date given by CP for Emma's parents Robert de Mortain & Maud
de Montgomery. CP III:428 (Cornwall) states that Robert & Maud m. "bef
1066". Nor does the 1073 date fit with marriage date given by CP for the
parents of Maud de Montgomery: CP XI:686 (Shrewsbury) states that Roger II de
Montgomery and Mabel, daughter of William Talvas d'Alencon, were
married "between 1050 and 1054". For the latter marriage date, CP refers to
White, "The First House of Belleme" in Trans. R. Hist. Soc., 4th Ser., vol
xxii, pp. 67-99.
The above dates lead to:
1. Roger II de Montgomery m. bet. 1050-1054, Mabel de Talvas d'Alencon.
2. Maud de Montgomery, b. 1050/4, m. bef. 1066, Robert de Mortain.
3. Emma de Mortain, b. c. 1066, m. William IV of Toulouse.
4. Philippa (Maud or Matilda) de Toulouse, b. c. 1073 (Ouch)
In the article on Hugh de Montgomery, son of Roger II & Mabel, CP XI:688
note "b" states that "According to a Welsh annalist, he [Hugh] was fighting in
Wales in 1072 (Annales Cambriae, Rolls Ser., p. 26); but this seems impossibly
early." I think that this implies that the birth of Hugh may have been
earlier than CP XI:688's "between 1053 and 1059", and that the marriage date
of Hugh's parents may have been earlier as well.
As I stated above I think that both the birth date and the two marriage dates
are off. But I would appreciate any other sources that the newsgroup could
use to determine what the appropriate dates might be.
Jim Weber
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The following e-mail from Peter Stewart, based on the above post to SGM, adds more info:
Jim,
In the article I mentioned Ruth Harvey discusses the evidence for when Philippa died, but not for the date of her birth.
Here are some bits of information from other sources that may be useful:
The alleged marriage of Philippa to Sancho Ramirez of Aragon is false - there's no room for it chronologically, since he was married in 1076 to Felicia de Roucy, who survived him & was not divorced. I suspect this misunderstanding came about from the relationships of Sancho's granddaughter Petronilla, queen of Aragon, whose father was Sancho's son Ramiro II, while her mother Agnes of Poitou was most likely Philippa's daughter.
Philippa was definitely the daughter of her father's second wife, Emma de Mortain - there is a charter of hers in _Histoire général de Languedoc_, vol V p 845: "Ego Philippa, Emae filia", leaving no doubt on this point.
Emma had been married to Guilhem IV, count of Toulouse before 16 June 1080 when she appeared in two of his charters: "uxore mea nomine Emma", _HGL_ vol V p 649, and another of the same date on p 652.
Philippa's marriage to Guilhem is firmly dated to 1094, according to the chronicle of Saint-Maixent: "Anno MXCIIII...Guillelmus duxit uxorem Philippam nomine, filiam Willelmi comitis Tholosani". She may have been already of child-bearing age. Her eldest son was not born until 1099, but it's recorded that she had daughters too and we don't know if one or more of them might have been born before him.
Regards
Peter
Noted events in her life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1073. 2150
Philippa married William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine 2149,2150,2151 in 1094 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1115/6 2150.,2154 William was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
16088779430. Aimery (Almeric) I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT,415,670,2158,2159 son of Boson II Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT and Eleanor De THOUARS, was born about 1078 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 7 November 1151 in As Monk At Notre Dame DE Noyers 2157 about age 73.
Aimery married Dangereuse De L'isle BOUCHARD 2157,2158 in 1109.2157 Dangereuse was born about 1079 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died after 1119. Another name for Dangereuse was Dangereuse MAUBERGEONNE.
Children from this marriage were:
8044389715 i. Eleanor De CHATELLERAULT (born about 1105 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France - died after March 1130-1131)
ii. Raoul De CHATELLERAULT Sgr. Faye-La-Vineuse was born about 1110 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died about 1190 about age 80.
16088779431. Dangereuse De L'isle BOUCHARD,415,670,2157,2158 daughter of Bartholomew De L'isle BOUCHARD and Gerberge, was born about 1079 in Ile-Bouchard, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died after 1119. Another name for Dangereuse was Dangereuse MAUBERGEONNE.
Dangereuse married Aimery (Almeric) I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT 2158,2159 in 1109.2157 Aimery was born about 1078 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died on 7 November 1151 in As Monk At Notre Dame DE Noyers 2157 about age 73.
Dangereuse next married William VII Count Of POITOU Ix Duke D'aquitaine 2149,2150,2151 after 1116 in Late Mistress (No Marriage).2157 William was born on 22 October 1071 in Aquitaine, France 2149 and died from 10 February 1126 to 1127 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2149 at age 54. Another name for William was William VII Of Poitou IX Duke Of AQUITAINE.
16088779432. Wulgrim II Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME,415,670,1529,1830,1948 son of Guillaume III Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME and Vitapay De BENAUGES, was born about 1089 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1529,1950 and died on 16 June 1140 1529,1950 about age 51. Another name for Wulgrim was Vulgrin II TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
Wulgrim married Ponce De LUSIGNAN,1948 daughter of Hugh VII "Le Brun" De LUSIGNAN and Sarazine (Saracena) Of ARMENIA, in 2ND Wife. Ponce was born about 1115 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France.
Wulgrim next married Ponce De MONTGOMERY 1529,1950 in 1st Wife.1529 Ponce was born in 1091 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Raymond TAILLEFER Comte De St. Gilles was born about 1125 in St Gilles, Gard, Landuedoc, France. Another name for Raymond was Raymond Taillefer Comte De ST. GILLES.
16088779433. Ponce De MONTGOMERY,415,670,1529,1950 daughter of Roger De MONTGOMERY Count La Marche and Adelmode (Aumodis) Countess De LA MARCHE, was born in 1091 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France.
Ponce married Wulgrim II Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME 1529,1830,1948 in 1st Wife.1529 Wulgrim was born about 1089 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1529,1950 and died on 16 June 1140 1529,1950 about age 51. Another name for Wulgrim was Vulgrin II TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.
16088779434. Raymond I Vicomte De TURENNE,415,670,1529,2160 son of Boso I Vicomte De TURENNE and Gerberge De TERRASSON, was born about 1090 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died about 1122 1529,2160 about age 32.
Raymond married Mathilde (Maud) Du PERCHE 1529,2160 in 1st Husband.1529 Mathilde was born in 1105 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 1756 and died in 1143 1529,2160 at age 38.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389717 i. Marguerite De TURENNE (born about 1120 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France - died after 1201)
16088779435. Mathilde (Maud) Du PERCHE,415,670,1529,2160 daughter of Rotrou II Count Of PERCHE and Matilda Of ENGLAND, was born in 1105 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France 1756 and died in 1143 1529,2160 at age 38.
General Notes: Turton has Mathilde/Maud's parents as Geoffrey & Beatrice, whom Ancestral Roots has as grandparents.
Mathilde married Raymond I Vicomte De TURENNE 1529,2160 in 1st Husband.1529 Raymond was born about 1090 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died about 1122 1529,2160 about age 32.
16088779436. Louis VI "The Fat" King Of FRANCE,415,670,1524,1993,2138 son of Philip I "The Fair" King Of FRANCE and Bertha Of HOLLAND, was born in 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1993,2138 and died on 1 August 1137 in Chateau Bethizy, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,1993,2138 at age 56.
General Notes:
Almost all of his 29 year reign was spent fighting either the "robber barons" who plagued Paris, or the English. Nonetheless, King Louis managed to reinforce his power considerably and endeared himself to the working classes of France.
Louis VI died on August 1, 1137 and is interred in Saint Denis Basilica.
He was succeeded on the throne by his son Louis VII. 2139
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1077. 1524
• Ruled: 1108-1137.
Louis married Lucienne De MONTLHERY,2140,2141 daughter of Guy II De MONTLHERY Comte De Rochefort and Unknown, in 1104 in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced 1107.2140 Lucienne was born in 1088 in Rochefort-En-Yevlines, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2140 and died after 1137. Another name for Lucienne was Lucienne De ROCHEFORT.
Louis next married Adelaide Of SAVOY 1524,1914,1993 in April 1115 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1524.,1993 Adelaide was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1993 and died on 18 November 1154 1524,1993 about age 62. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Of MAURIENNE.
16088779437. Adelaide Of SAVOY,415,670,1524,1914,1993 daughter of Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY and Gisela Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1993 and died on 18 November 1154 1524,1993 about age 62. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide Of MAURIENNE.
Adelaide married Louis VI "The Fat" King Of FRANCE 1524,1993,2138 in April 1115 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1524.,1993 Louis was born in 1081 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France 1993,2138 and died on 1 August 1137 in Chateau Bethizy, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,1993,2138 at age 56.
Adelaide next married Mathieu (Matthew) I De MONTMORENCY,1914,1920 son of Bouchard IV De MONTMORENCY and Agnes De BEAUMONT, after 1141 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.1920 Mathieu was born about 1090 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 28 October 1160 1914 about age 70.
16088779438. Renaud I Sire De COURTENAY Of Sutton,415,670,1463,1790,1791 son of Miles (Milo) Sire De COURTENAY and Ermengarde De NEVERS, was born about 1100 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France and died in 1161 in Sutton Courtenay, Berkshire, England 1790,1791 about age 61.
General Notes: Renaud de Courtenay, Lord of Courtenay; accompanied Louis VII of France on the Second Crusade but quarreled with him so that Louis seized his French possessions and bestowed them, with Renaud's daughter (Elizabeth) in marriage, on his (Louis') own younger brother Pierre; Renaud subsequently threw in his lot with the English kings and was granted the Lordship of Sutton (now Sutton Courtenay), on the Berks-Oxon borders by Henry II 1161; accompanied Henry II to Wexford in the Irish expedition of 1172; married 1st Hedwige (living 1148-58), sister of Guy du Donjon; married 2nd Maud, Dame du Sap (dsp 1224), daughter of Robert Fitz Roy (illegitimate son of Henry I of England) by his wife Maud d'Avranches. [Burke's Peerage]
Note: The chart in CP IV:317 agrees with BP above (with Renaud having Reginald, d. 1194, by the sister of Guy du Donjon). However I consider there to be two Renaud de Courtenay's: Renaud I married Hedwige du Donjon and his son, Renaud II married 1st Hawise Deincourt (by whom they had Reginald, d. 1194) and 2nd Maud du Sap (dsp 1224). I believe that chronologically it works much better, and solves many of the admitted problems with the line given by CP and BP. There is evidence of two different Renaud de Courtenays, one who died 1161, and one who 1190 (AR) or 1192 (BP).
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of Sutton, Berkshire, England; Sire de Courtenay; exiled 1150. [Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, 3rd ed., Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore MD, 1998]
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The story is told that the great possesions in France of Renaud de Courtenay (a man of high social rank and described in personal terms as in effect a glorified bandit) were seized abt 1150 by King Louis VII who granted them to his own youngest brother, Pierre (ancestor of the French Courtenays), with Renaud's daughter, Elizabeth, in marriage, and that Renaud then appeared in England as a minor functionary of the English Court with a small manor and another family. [Ancestral Roots, Frederick Weis, line 138]
Ancestral Roots also discounts Renaud II being the son of Milo (ie. Renaud I and Renaud II in my genalogy, which AR seems to consider the same person) because of dates and social standings, but does not seem to address the possibility of a Reginald [d. 1194 - line 138-25), son of Renaud II (d. 1190 - line 138-24), son of Renaud I (d. 1161 - line 107-24), son of Milo [d. 1127 - line 107-23).
Since according to Burke, Elizabeth's marriage was 1150, Renaud lost his French lands and went to England on or about 1150. His children were born in France, while he still had possession of his French estates.
Renaud married Hedwige Du DONJON 1463,1790,1791 before 1127. Hedwige was born about 1110 in Donjon Castle, Corbeil, Yerre-Sur-Oise, France and died after 1158 1463.
16088779439. Hedwige Du DONJON,415,670,1463,1790,1791 daughter of Frederick Sire De DONJON and Unknown, was born about 1110 in Donjon Castle, Corbeil, Yerre-Sur-Oise, France and died after 1158 1463.
Hedwige married Renaud I Sire De COURTENAY Of Sutton 1463,1790,1791 before 1127. Renaud was born about 1100 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France and died in 1161 in Sutton Courtenay, Berkshire, England 1790,1791 about age 61.
16088779440. Ramon Berenguer IV Marquis Of BARCELONA,415,670,2161 son of Ramon Berenguer III Count Of BARCELONA and Dulce Aldonza Of MILHAUD, was born about 1113 in Barcelona, Spain 2162 and died on 6 August 1162 in Borgo San Dalmazzo, Piedmont, Italy 2162 about age 49.
General Notes: Ramon Berenguer IV, byname RAMON BERENGUER THE HOLY, Catalan RAMON BERENGUER EL SANT (b. c. 1113--d. Aug. 6, 1162, Borgo San Dalmazzo, Piedmont [Italy]), count of Barcelona from 1131 to 1162, regent of Provence from 1144 to 1157, and ruling prince of Aragon from 1137 to 1162.
The elder son of Ramon Berenguer III, he continued his father's crusading wars against the Spanish Muslims. The kingdom of Aragon soon sought Ramon Berenguer IV's aid against Castile. In the course of their negotiations, he was promised the hand of the Aragonese king Ramiro II's daughter and heir, Petronila (Peronella); they were married on Aug. 11, 1137, and a few months later (November 13), Ramiro II abdicated in favour of his daughter and son-in-law. Ramon Berenguer IV thus became the last count of Barcelona to take this as his principal title, for, from 1137, he was also ruler of Aragon (though he himself never assumed the title of king). From the reign of his son, who in 1162 succeeded him with the title of Alfonso II, the counts of Barcelona styled themselves, in the first place, kings of Aragon.
When Ramon Berenguer IV's father had died, he had left the county of Provence to a younger son. When this son died, his brother Ramon Berenguer IV acted as regent (conventionally with the title Ramon Berenguer II of Provence) until the legitimate heir, his young nephew, reached majority in 1157, as Ramon Berenguer III of Provence. When this count of Provence died in 1166 without a male heir, he was succeeded by Ramon Berenguer IV's son Alfonso II, king of Aragon. By his wars and conquests from the Moors--Tortosa (1148), Lerida, Mequinenza, and Fraga (1149), and Prades and Siurana (1153)--Ramon Berenguer IV definitively established the boundaries of the principality of Catalonia. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]
Ramon married Petronila I Heiress Of ARAGON 2163,2164 in 1151.2163 Petronila was born about 1135 in Huesca, Spain 2163 and died on 13 October 1173 2163 about age 38.
Noted events in their marriage were:
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage Huesca, Spain, 11 August 1137. 2162
• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 11 August 1137. 2162 Huesca, Spain
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Dulcia Berenguer Of BARCELONA was born about 1157 in Barcelona, Spain and died in 1198 about age 41.
16088779441. Petronila I Heiress Of ARAGON,415,670,2163,2164 daughter of Ramiro II Sanchez "The Monk" King Of ARAGON and Agnes De POITOU, was born about 1135 in Huesca, Spain 2163 and died on 13 October 1173 2163 about age 38.
Petronila married Ramon Berenguer IV Marquis Of BARCELONA 2161 in 1151.2163 Ramon was born about 1113 in Barcelona, Spain 2162 and died on 6 August 1162 in Borgo San Dalmazzo, Piedmont, Italy 2162 about age 49.
16088779442. Alfonso VII "The Emperor" King Of Leon & CASTILE,415,670,2165,2166,2167 son of Raymond Of BURGUNDY Count Of Castile and Urraca Princess Of Leon & CASTILE, was born from 1 March 1104 to 1105 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2165 and died on 21 August 1157 in La Fresneda, Teruel, Castile, Spain 2165 at age 53. Another name for Alfonso was Alfonso VII "Emperor" King Of LEON & Castile.
General Notes:
ALPHONSO VII, "The Emperor" (1126-1157), is a dignified and somewhat enigmatical figure. A vague tradition had always assigned the title of emperor to the soverign who held Leon as the most direct representative of the Visigothic kings, who were themselves the representatives of the Roman empire. But though given in charters, and claimed by Alphonso VI and the Battler (Alphonso I, King of Aragon), the title had been little more than a flourish of rhetoric. Alphonso VII was crowned emperor in 1135, after the death of the Battler. The weakness of Aragon enabled him to make his superiority effective. He appears to have striven for the formation of a national unity, which Spain had never possessed since the fall of the Visigoth kingdom. The elements he had to deal with could not be welded together. Alphonso was at once a patron of the Church and a protector if not a favourer of the Mohammedans, who formed a part of his subjects. His reign ended in an unsuccessful campaign against the rising power of the Almohades. Though he was not actually defeated, his death in the Pass of Muradel in the Sierra Morena, while on his way back to Toledo, occurred in circumstances which showed that no man could be what he claimed to be---"king of the men of the two religions." His personal character does not stand out with the emphasis of those of Alphonso VI or the Battler. Yet he was a great king, the type and, to some extent, the victim of the confusions of his age---Christian in creed and ambition, but more than half oriental in his household. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed., Vol. 1, pg. 687, ALPHONSO VII]
Alfonso married Berenguela Of BARCELONA,2166,2167 daughter of Ramon Berenguer III Count Of BARCELONA and Dulce Aldonza Of MILHAUD, before July 1124 in La Fresneda, Terue, Spain (2ND Husband).2166 Berenguela was born in 1110 in Barcelona, Aragon, Spain and died from 2 February 1148 to 1149 in Palencia, Leon, Spain 2166 at age 38.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Sancho III "The Desired" King Of CASTILE was born in 1135 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2168 and died on 31 August 1158 2169 at age 23.
ii. Ferdinand II Alfonsez King Of LEON was born in 1137 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2170 and died on 22 August 1188 in Benavente, Zamora, Castile, Spain 2170 at age 51.
iii. Sancha Infanta Of CASTILE was born in 1140 in Castile, Spain and died on 5 August 1179 2171 at age 39.
iv. Constance Of CASTILE was born about 1144 in Castile, Spain, died on 4 October 1160 in (In Child Birth) 1120,1517 about age 16, and was buried in St Denis, Paris, Ile-DE-France, France.
Alfonso next married Richilde Of POLAND 2166 in July 1152 in Wroclaw, Poland.2166 Richilde was born in 1131 in Wroclaw, Poland and died on 16 June 1175 2172 at age 44. Other names for Richilde were Ryksa Of CASTILE, and Ryksa Of CASTILLE.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779443. Richilde Of POLAND,415,670,2166 daughter of Vladislas II King Of POLAND and Agnes Margravine Of AUSTRIA, was born in 1131 in Wroclaw, Poland and died on 16 June 1175 2172 at age 44. Other names for Richilde were Ryksa Of CASTILE, and Ryksa Of CASTILLE.
Richilde married Alfonso VII "The Emperor" King Of Leon & CASTILE 2165,2166,2167 in July 1152 in Wroclaw, Poland.2166 Alfonso was born from 1 March 1104 to 1105 in Toledo, Castile, Spain 2165 and died on 21 August 1157 in La Fresneda, Teruel, Castile, Spain 2165 at age 53. Another name for Alfonso was Alfonso VII "Emperor" King Of LEON & Castile.
16088779444. Rostaign IV Comte De SABRAN,415,670,1844 son of Guillaume II Comte De SABRAN and Unknown, was born about 1133 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died from 16 February 1207 to 1208 about age 74.
Rostaign married Rose Du CAILAR 1844.,2173 Rose was born about 1140 in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died in 1206 2173 about age 66. Another name for Rose was Rosine D' UZES.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389722 i. Rainou De SABRAN Count Of Provence (born in 1155 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc France - died in 1224)
16088779445. Rose Du CAILAR,415,670,1844,2173 daughter of Rainon I DECAEN Seigneur Du Caylar and Beatrix Du CAYLAR, was born about 1140 in Cailar, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died in 1206 2173 about age 66. Another name for Rose was Rosine D' UZES.
Rose married Rostaign IV Comte De SABRAN.1844 Rostaign was born about 1133 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died from 16 February 1207 to 1208 about age 74.
16088779446. Guillaume VI Comte De FORCALQUIER,415,670,1541 son of Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER and Josceranne De FLOTTE, was born in 1130 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France 2174 and died in December 1208 1844 at age 78.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1137. 1844
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1209. 1541
Guillaume married Adelaide TRENCAVEL 1844.,2175 Adelaide was born about 1135 in Beziers, Narbonne, Languedoc, France.1844 Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide (Beatrice) De BEZIERS.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389723 i. Gersende De FORCALQUIER (born about 1160 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died about 1194)
16088779447. Adelaide TRENCAVEL,415,505,670,1844,2175 daughter of Raimond TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Caracassone and Saura, was born about 1135 in Beziers, Narbonne, Languedoc, France.1844 Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide (Beatrice) De BEZIERS.
General Notes: I originally had Marguierite de Bourbon as wife of Guillaume; Turton states that Guillaume's wife is Beatrice (no last name); some on World Connect name her Beatrice de Beziers; still others name her Adelaide de Beziers; but I am following a fellow (I originally guessed Pablo was a Frenchman?, but Curt Hofemann says he is an Argentinian living in Miami) named Pablo Mera Gadea, who names her Adelaide Trencavel. She is probably the same person referred to as Adelaide de Beziers, as Adelaide's father was Raimond Trencavel, Viscount of Carcassonne, Rasès, Béziers, Agde, & Albi.
Note that, according to a posting to SGM by Nathaniel Taylor (citing tables by the Catalan genealogist Armand de Fluvia i Escorsa in two tables (s.v. AEnimes and AECarcasona) in the multi-volume 'Gran Enciclopedia Catalana', making no claims to accuracy), Adelaide Trencavel m. Sicard Viscount of Lautrec, and she had a sister Beatrice who m. Raimond VI Count of Toulouse.
Maybe it was her sister Beatrice Trencavel (per Turton (her 1st name) & World Connect people) that married Raimond, instead of Adelaide; or maybe Adelaide & Beatrice married the husbands that Nathaniel Taylor indicated. But, like I said, I am following Pablo Mera Gadea's pedigree. There are also numerous postings to SGM that name her Adelaide de Beziers, without giving her any ancestry.
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The following excerpt from a post to SGM, 10 Jun 2003, by "History Writer", illustrates the confusion, but lends some support to my pedigree:
From: History Writer ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Queen Victoria's Matrilineal Line
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-06-10 04:26:59 PST
Chronologically, it would appear that Adelaide Trencavel, who apparently also is known (per the Theroff files) as Adelaide de Beziers (the Trencavels were also Vicomtes de Beziers), may have been a daughter of Raimond Trencavel I. Beatrix Trencavel is listed here as the wife of Raimond VI, Comte de Toulouse. However, Raimond Trencavel's daughter Adelaida Trencavel is listed as the wife of Sicard, Vicomte de Lautrec. In roglo, Sicard's only wife is listed as Agnes de Mauvoisin. If this is the Adelaide Trencavel who became the wife of Guillaume IV de Forcalquier, then she is a good candidate to be the matrilineal ancestress of Queen Victoria. This Adelaide's mother, Saura, is apparently of unknown origin.
I should note that in addition to Adelaide Trencavel (or Adelaide de Beziers) and Beatrix de Beziers, there is another woman listed as Garsende de Forcalquier's mother, she is Marguerite de Bourbon, according to Planche 546 in "Les Seize Quartiers Genealogiques des Capitiens" by J.-D. de Joannis (1987). Though it is unclear who Joannis's source is. Comments welcome. Best Regards.
Note: Todd Farmerie, in an adjunct to this post (referring to a post that was similar to the above post), thinks both "Beziers" and "Trencavel" are guesses, being not well documented.
Note: History Writer has Adelaide's mother as Raymond's 2nd wife Saura; Nathaniel Taylor's source also has Adelaide (although he doesn't connect her to Guillaume) by the 2nd wife. Following Pablo Mera Gadea's pedigree, I had Adelaide as daughter of Raymond's 1st wife, but am changing to agree with the sources.
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], among numerous other references adds these to the pile of confused pedigrees:
Of the 270 listings on Rootsweb WorldConnect using Guillaume de Forcalquier & death date 1208 ± 10 years as search parameters, 95% of those listing his wife as Marguerite de Bourbon & a source, cite LDS Ancestor File AFN: PZ5V-PF, submitter: Medieval Families C/O Family History Dept (a dept. of the Family History Library itself)... Curt
Interestingly enough I have Adelaide de Bezieres as the wife of Guillaume IV and the mother of his daughter Gersende de Forcalquier. No other details. However in "Les Seize Quartiers Généalogiques des Capétiens" by J.-D. de Joannis planche 546 #43 , it shows Marguerite de Bourbon (no ancestry) as the wife of Guillaume and the mother of his daughter Gersende "fille unique". [Ref: Henry Soszynski 27 Dec 1999]
..See *Europaeische Stammtafeln*, ed. Schwennicke, Band III, Teilband 1 [1984], Tafel 118. The line ends up as follows:
1. Adelaide de Bezieres m. Guillaume IV C de Forcalquier (d. 1209)
..I've seen some speculation about the parentage and ancestry of Adelaide deBezieres, but I haven't seen it tightened up. [Ref: WAR 15 Aug 2000]
Adelaide married.
Adelaide married Guillaume VI Comte De FORCALQUIER.1541 Guillaume was born in 1130 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France 2174 and died in December 1208 1844 at age 78.
16088779448. Amadeo III Comte De SAVOY,415,670,2176,2177 son of Humbert II Comte De Maurienne & SAVOY and Gisela Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France,2177 died before April 1148 in Cyprus 2177, and was buried in Abbey Of Mont-Sainte-Croix. Another name for Amadeo was Amadeus III Count Of MAURIENNE.
Amadeo married Mathilda D' ALBON 2176,2178 in 1120.2177 Mathilda was born about 1107 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from January 1144 to 1145 2178 about age 37.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Adele De SAVOY was born about 1124 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.
ii. Matilda De SAVOY was born in 1125 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died on 4 November 1157 2179 at age 32.
8044389724 iii. Humbert III "Le Saint" Comte De SAVOY (born on 1 August 1136 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 4 March 1188-1189 in France)
16088779449. Mathilda D' ALBON,415,670,2176,2178 daughter of Guigues III Comte D' ALBON and Matilda Of SICILY, was born about 1107 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from January 1144 to 1145 2178 about age 37.
Mathilda married Amadeo III Comte De SAVOY 2176,2177 in 1120.2177 Amadeo was born about 1092 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France,2177 died before April 1148 in Cyprus 2177, and was buried in Abbey Of Mont-Sainte-Croix. Another name for Amadeo was Amadeus III Count Of MAURIENNE.
16088779450. Gerard I D' IVREA Comte De Macon & Vienne,415,670,2180 son of William IV Comte De MACON & Auxonne and Poncia (Ponce\Poncette) De TRAVES, was born about 1125 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy and died on 14 September 1184 in Vienne, Isere, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 2180 about age 59. Another name for Gerard was Gerard I D'ivrea Comte De MACON & Vienne.
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1180.
Gerard married Guyonne (Guigonne\Maurette) De SALINS 2181 in 1160.2180 Guyonne was born about 1140 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1200 2181.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389725 i. Beatrice De MACON (born about 1161 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died before 8 April 1230)
16088779451. Guyonne (Guigonne\Maurette) De SALINS,415,670,2181 daughter of Gautier III (Gaucher) Seigneur De SALINS and Unknown, was born about 1140 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1200 2181.
Guyonne married Gerard I D' IVREA Comte De Macon & Vienne 2180 in 1160.2180 Gerard was born about 1125 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy and died on 14 September 1184 in Vienne, Isere, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 2180 about age 59. Another name for Gerard was Gerard I D'ivrea Comte De MACON & Vienne.
16088779452. Amadeus I (Amadeo) Count Of GENEVA,415,670,1849,1850,2182 son of Aimon I Count Of GENEVA and Ida Of GLANE, was born in 1100 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 2182 and died on 26 June 1178 1849,2182 at age 78.
General Notes: Amadeus I of Geneval, b. 1100, d. 26 Jun 1178, Count of Geneva, 1128-1178; m. (2) Matilda, d. by 2 July 1137. [Ancestral Roots, line 133-24]
Amadeus married Matilda De CUISEAUX 1849,1850,2182 about 1130 in 2ND Wife.2182 Matilda was born about 1110 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1850 and died before 2 July 1137 2182.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389726 i. William I Count Of GENEVA (born in 1130 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died on 25 July 1195)
Amadeus next married Miss Von DOMENE 2183 after 1137 in 3rd Wife. Miss was born about 1130 in Switzerland.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Beatrice De GENEVA was born about 1154 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland.
ii. Comtesson De GENEVA was born about 1160 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland.
16088779453. Matilda De CUISEAUX,415,670,1849,1850,2182 daughter of Pons II (Hugues) Seigneur De CUISEAUX and Laura De SENECY, was born about 1110 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1850 and died before 2 July 1137 2182.
Matilda married Amadeus I (Amadeo) Count Of GENEVA 1849,1850,2182 about 1130 in 2ND Wife.2182 Amadeus was born in 1100 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 2182 and died on 26 June 1178 1849,2182 at age 78.
16088779454. Aimon I Comte De FAUCIGNY,415,670,1848 son of Rodolphe (Rudolph) Count Of FAUCIGNY and Constance De BEAUVOIR, was born about 1125 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1192 1850 about age 67.
Aimon married Clementia (Clemence) De BERANCON 1848.,1850 Clementia was born about 1130 in Barancon, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France.
Children from this marriage were:
8044389727 i. Beatrix (Marguerite) De FAUCIGNY (born about 1150 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died about 1180)
ii. Henri Sire De FAUCIGNY was born about 1155 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.
16088779455. Clementia (Clemence) De BERANCON 415,670,1848,1850 was born about 1130 in Barancon, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France.
Clementia married Aimon I Comte De FAUCIGNY.1848 Aimon was born about 1125 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1192 1850 about age 67.
16088779776. Robert II De STUTEVILLE Of Normandy,415,583,2184,2185 son of Robert I De ESTOUTEVILLE Lord Of Cottingham and Blanche De RIEUX, was born about 1070 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England and died after 1138 in Estouteville-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was Robert II Seigneur D' ESTOUTEVILLE.
General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 7 Sep 2002, by Rosie Bevan:
From: "Rosie Bevan" ([email protected])
Subject: Stuteville of Cottingham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-09-07 03:43:36 PST
2.ROBERT II de Stuteville. Not believed to have held lands in England. A supporter of Robert Curthose with his father, he was captured at St.Pierre-sur-Dive shortly before the battle of Tinchebrai. He was married to Erneburga whose parentage is unknown.
Issue:
- Robert III of Cottingham. See below.
- William. Married to Emma, and held lands in West Yorkshire.
- Roger (sheriff of Northumberland from Easter 1170-Easter 1185, and castellan of Wark on Tweed)
- John of Long Lawford, Warwickshire. Married to Agnes possibly da. of Waleran son of Hugh and Matilda.
- Osmund of Weston Colville and Burton Agnes, Yorks. d. bef 1172. Succeeded by son Roger.
- NN (soror Robert de Stuteville) wife of Robert de Daville
[Sources : Keats-Rohan, 'Domesday Descendants' p.722-724 ; Clay, 'Early Yorkshire Charters' v.8, p.2-5]
[And on the identification of Erneburga as daughter of Hugh FizBaldric, in a post 9 Sep 2002:]]
Moriarty assumed Ernneburga was fitzBaldric's daughter because around 1087 some of Hugh FitzBaldric's lands found their way into Stuteville hands. Moriarty appears unaware that they had been confiscated and there is no evidence to support the assumption that Erneburga was Hugh's daughter. Other major landholders such as the Brus family received portions of fitz Baldric lands too. Hugh's known sons-in-law included Walter de Rivere and Guy de Craon. [K-R Domesday People,267-268].
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Robert de Estoteville acquired a great inheritance with his wife, Eneburga, daughter and heir of Hugh, son of Baldrick, a great Saxon thane, and among other lands, had the lordship of Schypwyc, or Skipwic. He left three sons, Robert, Osmund, and Patrick. [John Burke & John Bernard Burke, Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland, and Scotland, Second Edition, Scott, Webster, & Geary, London, 1841, p. 486, Skipwith, of Newbold Hall]
Note: The above source has Patrick de Skipwith descending from this Robert. Burke's Peerage indicates that Patrick was a younger son of this Robert's son (also Robert).
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Curt Hofemann, [email protected], in a post-em wrote:
FWIW, Vernon James Watney in "The Wallop Family, and their Ancestry", 1928 (LDS Film 1696491), p935 states he was "living 1138". Unfortunately this was in an early stage of my research when I did not record footnotes to know on what basis Watney derived the statement. I say FWIW, because Watney is like Burke's: caveat emptor.
Research note: Turton gives the mother of Robert De STUTEVILLE, Baron of Cottingham & John De STUTEVILLE as Blanche de RIEUX dau of Quesnoc de RIEUX (again: caveat emptor).
Regardez vous,
Curt
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And, in a later post-em, Curt added:
Of this second Robert, Orderic speaks "as a brave and powerful baron, who was a strong partizan of the Duke" (Robert Court-heuse), "and superintended his troops and fortresses in the Pays de Caux." He also says (817) that d'Estouteville was slain fighting against Henry I. at Tinchebrai (1106), and not, as other authorities aver, sent over to England to suffer the doom of life-long captivity. In either case, the whole of his possessions-which apparently included Roger de Moubray's former barony-were forfeited, and granted to the King's favourite, Nigel de Albini. His wife Erneburga, a Yorkshire heiress, whose father, Hugh, the son of Baldric, had been a great Saxon thane, brought him three sons; Robert III.; Osmund, who died at Joppa in Palestine; and Patrick (omitted by Dugdale), to whom he gave the lordship of Skipwith in the East Riding. [Ref: Adrian Channing 6 Jan 2000 citing: "The Battle Abbey Roll" by the Duchess of Cleveland (1889) Vol ii pp 5-9] Note: some members of the SGM newsgroup question the accuracy of this source... Curt
Regards,
Curt
Robert married Erneberga FITZBALDRIC 583,2184 about 1099. Erneberga was born about 1080 in Cowsby, Thirsk, North Riding Yorkshire, England.
Children from this marriage were:
i. Nicolas I D' ESTOUTEVILLE Seigneur De Valmont was born about 1100 in Estouteville-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2186 and died on 22 April 1177 in Valmont, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2187 about age 77.
iii. Miss De STUTEVILLE was born about 1108 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England.
iv. John De STUTEVILLE Of Long Lawford was born about 1110 in Long Lawford, Newbold-On-Avon, Warwickshire, England.
v. Osmund De STUTEVILLE Of Burton Agnes was born about 1116 in Burton Agnes, East Riding Yorkshire, England and died before 1172 in Weston Colville, Linton, Cambridgeshire, England 583.
16088779777. Erneberga FITZBALDRIC,415,583,2184 daughter of Hugh FITZBALDRIC Saxon Thane, Of Cowsby and Unknown, was born about 1080 in Cowsby, Thirsk, North Riding Yorkshire, England.
Erneberga married Robert II De STUTEVILLE Of Normandy 583,2184,2185 about 1099. Robert was born about 1070 in Cottingham, East Riding Yorkshire, England and died after 1138 in Estouteville-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Robert was Robert II Seigneur D' ESTOUTEVILLE.
16088779778. Brother Of Geoffrey MURDAC Of Lazenby,415,1586 son of Ralph MEURDACH Of Deddington, Sir and Unknown, was born about 1090 in Lazenby, Cumberland, England.
Brother married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389889 i. Hawise (Helewise) MURDAC (born about 1122 in Lazenby, Cumberland, England - died after 1183)
16088779880. Ibert De Venoix Le MARSHAL 415,1856 was born about 995 in Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after 1050 1856. Another name for Ibert was Ibert "The Marshal" De VENOIX.
General Notes: Ibert the Marshal, with Count William [the Conqueror] and other magnates, attested a charter within the years 1038-1050 for the Abbey of the Holy Trinity of the Mont de Rouen. [Complete Peerage XI:Appendix E:122]
Note: CP does not say that Ibert is father of Miles, the next Marshal, but the office was hereditary.
Ibert married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389940 i. Miles De Venoix Le MARSHAL (born about 1020 in Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France - died before 1070)
16088779888. William Comte D' EVREUX,415,1858 son of Richard Comte D' EVREUX and Unknown First WIFE, was born about 1010 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France.
General Notes: Brian Walls, whose ancestry I am following, in his post of this line to SGM, admitted that he did not have good sources for the line, which was "given by others."
Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 1019. 1858
William married.
The child from this marriage was:
16088779892. Hubert De CORCUN 415 was born about 1019 in England. Another name for Hubert was Hubert De CURZON.
Hubert married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389946 i. Ralph FITZHUBERT Of Crick (born about 1045 in Crick, Monmouthshire, Wales)
16088779896. Ernald De CHAWORTH 415 was born about 1000 in St Symphoro, Lamans, Maine, France.
Ernald married.
The child from this marriage was:
8044389948 i. Hugh CHAWORTH (born in 1025 in St Symphoro, Le Mans, Maine, France)
16088779900. Gerard Seigneur De HESDIN 415 was born about 1015 in Hesdin, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Gerard was Gerard Seigneur De HESDING.
Gerard married.
Children from this marriage were:
ii. Adelaide De HESDIN was born about 1050 in Hesdin, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.
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