Mariah Mary Elizabeth Hargis1
F, #9105, b. 17 August 1853, d. 1 September 1931
Mariah Mary Elizabeth Hargis|b. 17 Aug 1853\nd. 1 Sep 1931|p129.htm#i9105|Judson Hargis|b. 20 Apr 1828\nd. 11 Oct 1912|p77.htm#i5909|Permelia Jane Chandler|b. 13 Nov 1828\nd. 13 Sep 1899|p128.htm#i9103|Richard Hargis Jr|b. 1790\nd. c 7 Apr 1873|p76.htm#i5892|Nancy Pearce|b. 1799\nd. a 1880|p185.htm#i11888|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 3 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Mariah Mary Elizabeth Hargis was born on 17 August 1853 at Person County, North Carolina.1 She was the daughter of Judson Hargis and Permelia Jane Chandler.1 Mariah Mary Elizabeth Hargis married Robert Crockett Floyd circa 1870.1 Mariah Mary Elizabeth Hargis died on 1 September 1931 at Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, at age 78.1
Children of Mariah Mary Elizabeth Hargis and Robert Crockett Floyd
- Dora Floyd1 b. 16 Sep 1872, d. May 1876
- Flora Floyd1 b. 24 Sep 1874, d. May 1876
- Emily Rosalee Floyd+1 b. 6 Mar 1876, d. 29 Dec 1960
- Robert Thomas Floyd1 b. 18 Jan 1878, d. 26 Dec 1895
- Laura Analiza Floyd+1 b. 17 Jun 1880, d. 10 Feb 1973
- Amelia Elizabeth Floyd+1 b. 11 Dec 1882
- Mary White Floyd1 b. 22 Jan 1884
- Etta May Floyd1 b. 4 May 1887
- Richard Enloe Floyd1 b. 31 Mar 1891
- Desmond Palestine Floyd1 b. 3 Dec 1893
Citations
- [S1149] Charles Edwin Hargis, Gedcom of the ancestors of Charles Edwin Hargis.
Henderson W. Hargis1
M, #9106, b. circa 1854, d. 10 June 1907
Henderson W. Hargis|b. c 1854\nd. 10 Jun 1907|p129.htm#i9106|Judson Hargis|b. 20 Apr 1828\nd. 11 Oct 1912|p77.htm#i5909|Permelia Jane Chandler|b. 13 Nov 1828\nd. 13 Sep 1899|p128.htm#i9103|Richard Hargis Jr|b. 1790\nd. c 7 Apr 1873|p76.htm#i5892|Nancy Pearce|b. 1799\nd. a 1880|p185.htm#i11888|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 3 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Henderson W. Hargis was born circa 1854 at Person County, North Carolina.1 He was the son of Judson Hargis and Permelia Jane Chandler.2,1 Henderson W. Hargis died on 10 June 1907 at Kentucky?.1
Citations
- [S1149] Charles Edwin Hargis, Gedcom of the ancestors of Charles Edwin Hargis.
- [S354] Hargis Fam. Forum, online http://genforum.com/hargis, Posted by Lorraine Rollo November 28, 2000.
Emily Jane Hargis1
F, #9107, b. 10 March 1858, d. 31 July 1924
Emily Jane Hargis|b. 10 Mar 1858\nd. 31 Jul 1924|p129.htm#i9107|Judson Hargis|b. 20 Apr 1828\nd. 11 Oct 1912|p77.htm#i5909|Permelia Jane Chandler|b. 13 Nov 1828\nd. 13 Sep 1899|p128.htm#i9103|Richard Hargis Jr|b. 1790\nd. c 7 Apr 1873|p76.htm#i5892|Nancy Pearce|b. 1799\nd. a 1880|p185.htm#i11888|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 3 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Emily Jane Hargis was born on 10 March 1858 at Person County, North Carolina.1 She was the daughter of Judson Hargis and Permelia Jane Chandler.1 Emily Jane Hargis married Robert Campbell Crockett in 1873 at Benton County, Tennessee.1 Emily Jane Hargis died on 31 July 1924 at Benton County, Tennessee, at age 66.1
Children of Emily Jane Hargis and Robert Campbell Crockett
- Alice Corina Crockett+1 b. 25 Apr 1875, d. 1916
- Baby Crockett1 b. 25 Apr 1875
- Leroy Lorenzo Dow Crockett+1 b. 21 Mar 1879, d. 8 Oct 1969
- Lily Helen Crockett+1 b. 18 Apr 1881, d. 10 Jun 1957
- Jesse Andrew Crockett+1 b. 14 Feb 1883, d. 23 Aug 1958
- Baby Crockett1 b. 10 Mar 1885
- Edgar Palestine Crockett+1 b. 10 Mar 1885, d. Oct 1974
- Robert Hatcher Crockett+1 b. 18 Apr 1887
- Baby Crockett1 b. 18 Apr 1887
- Judson Crockett1 b. 1889
- Baby Crockett1 b. 13 Mar 1891
- Annibel Crockett+1 b. 13 Mar 1891, d. 9 Nov 1975
- David White Crockett+1 b. 21 Mar 1893, d. Feb 1970
- Maggie Estelle Elizabeth Crockett+1 b. 26 Feb 1895, d. Jul 1966
- Mary Rosalie Crockett+1 b. 5 Jan 1897, d. 22 Jul 1955
- Buell Robins Crockett1 b. 14 Sep 1899
- Dixie Lee Crockett+1 b. 24 Mar 1902, d. 9 Jan 1971
Citations
- [S1149] Charles Edwin Hargis, Gedcom of the ancestors of Charles Edwin Hargis.
Thomas Andrew Hargis1
M, #9108, b. 18 December 1859, d. 10 December 1953
Thomas Andrew Hargis|b. 18 Dec 1859\nd. 10 Dec 1953|p129.htm#i9108|Judson Hargis|b. 20 Apr 1828\nd. 11 Oct 1912|p77.htm#i5909|Permelia Jane Chandler|b. 13 Nov 1828\nd. 13 Sep 1899|p128.htm#i9103|Richard Hargis Jr|b. 1790\nd. c 7 Apr 1873|p76.htm#i5892|Nancy Pearce|b. 1799\nd. a 1880|p185.htm#i11888|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 3 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Thomas Andrew Hargis was born on 18 December 1859 at Person County, North Carolina.1 He was the son of Judson Hargis and Permelia Jane Chandler.1 Thomas Andrew Hargis married Susan Frances Stagner in 1879.1 Thomas Andrew Hargis died on 10 December 1953 at Benton County, Tennessee, at age 93.1 He was buried after 10 December 1953 at Clayton Cemetery, Benton County, Tennessee.1
Children of Thomas Andrew Hargis and Susan Frances Stagner
- Ida Palestine Hargis1 b. 25 Jul 1880, d. 1963
- Lemuel Dillard Hargis+1 b. 25 Mar 1882, d. 1 Jan 1936
- Thomas Luell Hargis1 b. 23 Aug 1883
- Maggie Helen Hargis+1 b. 7 Oct 1884, d. 14 Aug 1958
- Richard Virgil Hargis1 b. 19 Mar 1887, d. 2 Feb 1977
- Jesse Pierce Hargis1 b. 25 Mar 1889, d. 11 Feb 1920
- Eulah Ann Hargis1 b. 6 May 1893, d. 14 Jan 1896
- Francis Vernon Hargis2 b. 22 Jun 1898, d. 20 Nov 1975
Ellis Palestine Hargis1
M, #9109, b. 1 July 1862, d. 27 July 1911
Ellis Palestine Hargis|b. 1 Jul 1862\nd. 27 Jul 1911|p129.htm#i9109|Judson Hargis|b. 20 Apr 1828\nd. 11 Oct 1912|p77.htm#i5909|Permelia Jane Chandler|b. 13 Nov 1828\nd. 13 Sep 1899|p128.htm#i9103|Richard Hargis Jr|b. 1790\nd. c 7 Apr 1873|p76.htm#i5892|Nancy Pearce|b. 1799\nd. a 1880|p185.htm#i11888|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 3 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Ellis Palestine Hargis was born on 1 July 1862 at Benton County, Tennessee.1 He was the son of Judson Hargis and Permelia Jane Chandler.1 Ellis Palestine Hargis married Estella Francisco on 23 August 1893.1 Ellis Palestine Hargis married Annie Dycus.1 Ellis Palestine Hargis died on 27 July 1911 at Benton County, Tennessee, at age 49.1
Buried with his wife at Rushings Creek Cemetery, Benton County, TN.1
Buried with his wife at Rushings Creek Cemetery, Benton County, TN.1
Children of Ellis Palestine Hargis and Estella Francisco
- Olive Hargis+1 b. 14 Jun 1894, d. 14 Dec 1967
- Walter Lee Jackson Hargis+1 b. 30 Nov 1895, d. 10 Jul 1990
- Flora Frances Hargis+1 b. 21 Sep 1897, d. 16 Jul 1980
- Robert W. Hargis1 b. 15 Dec 1899, d. 28 Dec 1918
- Eula Ann Hargis+1 b. 21 May 1902, d. 29 Mar 1978
Citations
- [S1149] Charles Edwin Hargis, Gedcom of the ancestors of Charles Edwin Hargis.
Seaborn Delk Mims1
M, #9110, b. 29 August 1858, d. 1935
Seaborn Delk Mims|b. 29 Aug 1858\nd. 1935|p129.htm#i9110|Leroy Clinton Mims|b. c 1825|p71.htm#i5254|Sabina Killian||p71.htm#i5255|Calvin Mims|b. 12 Feb 1794\nd. 1 Oct 1879|p7.htm#i404|Elizabeth Delk|b. 8 Nov 1801\nd. 28 Nov 1856|p7.htm#i405|||||||
Relationship=1st cousin 2 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Seaborn Delk Mims was born on 29 August 1858 at Georgia.1 He was the son of Leroy Clinton Mims and Sabina Killian.1 Seaborn Delk Mims married Emer Lou Doxie on 10 November 1878 at Alabama.2 Seaborn Delk Mims died in 1935 at Mountainboro, Alabama.1 He was buried at Thrasher Cemetery, near Mountainboro, Alabama.1
Children of Seaborn Delk Mims and Emer Lou Doxie
- James Jackson Mims2 b. c 1880
- Erastus Vann Mims2 b. c 1882
- Mary Ellen Mims2 b. c 1884
- Leroy Clinton Mims II2 b. c 1886
- Henry Clay Mims2 b. c 1888
- John Story Mims2 b. c 1890
- Allie Mims2 b. c 1892
- Hobson Mims2 b. c 1894
- Claude Mims2 b. c 1896
Citations
- [S355] GenForum-Seaborn Delk Mims, online http://www.genforum.com/mims/, Posted 5 Feb. 2001.
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.
Bobby Dean Head1
M, #9135, b. 13 January 1971, d. after 13 January 1971
Relationship=5th cousin 2 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Bobby Dean Head was born on 13 January 1971 at Tulsa, Oklahoma.1 He died after 13 January 1971 He died as an infant.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 19.
Noah Hunter Wilhelm1
M, #9148, b. 18 November 1998, d. 18 November 1998
Relationship=5th cousin 3 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Noah Hunter Wilhelm was born on 18 November 1998 at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma.1 He died on 18 November 1998 at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 20.
Girl Bartlett1
F, #9169, b. 16 January 1984, d. 16 January 1984
Relationship=5th cousin 2 times removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Girl Bartlett was born on 16 January 1984 at Enid, Oklahoma.1 She died on 16 January 1984 at Enid, Oklahoma.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 21.
Billy Joe Sealy1
M, #9219, b. circa 1925, d. 7 August 1987
Billy Joe Sealy was born circa 1925.1 He died on 7 August 1987.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 23.
Michael Sherwood1
M, #9230, b. circa 1875, d. 1985
Michael Sherwood was born circa 1875.1 He died in 1985.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 23.
James Yiull1
M, #9236, b. circa 1960, d. May 1994
James Yiull was born circa 1960.1 He died in May 1994.2
Melton Ray Holder1
M, #9242, b. 31 August 1926, d. 20 October 1981
Melton Ray Holder was born on 31 August 1926 at Seadrift, Texas.1 He died on 20 October 1981 at San Antonio, Bexar County, Texas, at age 55.1
Child of Melton Ray Holder
- Edwin Earl Holder+1 b. 1 Jan 1951, d. 5 Feb 1983
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 24.
Edwin Earl Holder1
M, #9243, b. 1 January 1951, d. 5 February 1983
Edwin Earl Holder|b. 1 Jan 1951\nd. 5 Feb 1983|p129.htm#i9243|Melton Ray Holder|b. 31 Aug 1926\nd. 20 Oct 1981|p129.htm#i9242||||||||||||||||
Relationship=5th cousin 1 time removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Edwin Earl Holder was born on 1 January 1951 at Port Lavaca, Texas.1 He was the son of Melton Ray Holder.1 Edwin Earl Holder died on 5 February 1983 at Anderson County, Texas, at age 32.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 24.
William Pierce1
M, #9254, b. circa 1806
Relationship=2nd great-grandfather of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
- Charts
- Pedigree of Ray Holt
William Pierce was born circa 1806 at Virginia.1 He married an unknown person circa 1825 at Virginia.1 He married Sarah Nelson, daughter of Garrett Elishe Nelson and Hellen Harman, circa 1825 at Louisiana.1
Child of William Pierce and Sarah Nelson
- Catherine Ann Pierce+1 b. 26 Feb 1826, d. 2 Jun 1889
Citations
- [S54] Fern Clark Ainsworth, "Ged of Wm. Holt".
Louis Kutil1
M, #9260, b. September 1955, d. 6 July 1987
Louis Kutil was born in September 1955 at San Antonio, Bexar County, Texas.1 He died on 6 July 1987 at Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, at age 31.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 25.
Brian Lausen Barber1
M, #9275, b. 18 October 1963, d. May 1983
Relationship=5th cousin 1 time removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Brian Lausen Barber was born on 18 October 1963 at Del Rio, Texas.1 He died in May 1983 at Del Rio, Texas, at age 19.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 25.
William Odell Jackson1
M, #9282, b. 29 April 1925, d. 2 October 1984
William Odell Jackson was born on 29 April 1925 at Finley, Oklahoma.1 He died on 2 October 1984 at age 59.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 26.
Walter Clyde King1
M, #9291, b. 5 June 1909, d. 29 December 1994
Walter Clyde King|b. 5 Jun 1909\nd. 29 Dec 1994|p129.htm#i9291|Walter Clyde King|b. 2 Feb 1885\nd. 18 Dec 1918|p83.htm#i6276|Georgia Martin|b. 13 Oct 1892\nd. 22 Sep 1982|p83.htm#i6275|||||||Andrew H. Martin I|b. 20 Sep 1853\nd. 8 Nov 1928|p49.htm#i3922|Anna M. Sandherr|b. 20 Aug 1857\nd. 18 Jun 1953|p49.htm#i3929|
Relationship=5th cousin of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Walter Clyde King was born on 5 June 1909 at Comstock, Texas.1 He was the son of Walter Clyde King and Georgia Martin.1 Walter Clyde King married Eline Ann Zuberbueler on 21 June 1943.1 Walter Clyde King died on 29 December 1994 at Del Rio, Texas, at age 85.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 26.
Martin H. King1
M, #9292, b. 28 October 1911, d. 25 September 1985
Martin H. King|b. 28 Oct 1911\nd. 25 Sep 1985|p129.htm#i9292|Walter Clyde King|b. 2 Feb 1885\nd. 18 Dec 1918|p83.htm#i6276|Georgia Martin|b. 13 Oct 1892\nd. 22 Sep 1982|p83.htm#i6275|||||||Andrew H. Martin I|b. 20 Sep 1853\nd. 8 Nov 1928|p49.htm#i3922|Anna M. Sandherr|b. 20 Aug 1857\nd. 18 Jun 1953|p49.htm#i3929|
Relationship=5th cousin of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Martin H. King was born on 28 October 1911 at Del Rio, Texas.1 He was the son of Walter Clyde King and Georgia Martin.1 Martin H. King married Mabel Mary Zuberbueler on 10 December 1940 at Comstock, Texas.2 Martin H. King died on 25 September 1985 at Del Rio, Texas, at age 73.1
Josephine B. Kelly1
F, #9294, b. 12 July 1926, d. 6 May 1997
Josephine B. Kelly|b. 12 Jul 1926\nd. 6 May 1997|p129.htm#i9294|Joseph B. Kelly|b. 2 Feb 1890\nd. 27 Oct 1929|p83.htm#i6277|Georgia Martin|b. 13 Oct 1892\nd. 22 Sep 1982|p83.htm#i6275|||||||Andrew H. Martin I|b. 20 Sep 1853\nd. 8 Nov 1928|p49.htm#i3922|Anna M. Sandherr|b. 20 Aug 1857\nd. 18 Jun 1953|p49.htm#i3929|
Relationship=5th cousin of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Josephine B. Kelly was born on 12 July 1926 at Del Rio, Texas.1 She was the daughter of Joseph B. Kelly and Georgia Martin.1 Josephine B. Kelly married Nelson C. Schauer on 23 June 1944 at Mexico.2 Josephine B. Kelly died on 6 May 1997 at Del Rio, Texas, at age 70.1
Eline Ann Zuberbueler1
F, #9295, b. 29 November 1909
Eline Ann Zuberbueler was born on 29 November 1909 at Dunlay County, Texas.1 She married Walter Clyde King, son of Walter Clyde King and Georgia Martin, on 21 June 1943.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 26.
Mabel Mary Zuberbueler1
F, #9302, b. 22 August 1911, d. 10 August 1996
Mabel Mary Zuberbueler was born on 22 August 1911 at Dunlay County, Texas.1 She married Martin H. King, son of Walter Clyde King and Georgia Martin, on 10 December 1940 at Comstock, Texas.1 Mabel Mary Zuberbueler died on 10 August 1996 at Del Rio, Texas, at age 84.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 27.
Nelson C. Schauer1
M, #9318, b. 10 October 1924, d. 22 March 1986
Nelson C. Schauer was born on 10 October 1924 at Ozona, Texas.1 He married Josephine B. Kelly, daughter of Joseph B. Kelly and Georgia Martin, on 23 June 1944 at Mexico.1 Nelson C. Schauer died on 22 March 1986 at age 61.1
Citations
- [S342] June Martin Finn, A Family's Journey, Page 27.
John Reddish1
M, #9324, b. circa 1713, d. 1792
Relationship=5th great-grandfather of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
- Charts
- Pedigree of Ray Holt
John Reddish was born circa 1713.1 He married Joannah Unknown circa 1730.1 John Reddish died in 1792 at Maryland.1
Child of John Reddish and Joannah Unknown
- Hieron Reddish+1 b. c 1733
Citations
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.
Joannah Unknown1
F, #9325, b. circa 1720
Relationship=5th great-grandmother of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
- Charts
- Pedigree of Ray Holt
Joannah Unknown was born circa 1720.1 She married John Reddish circa 1730.1
Child of Joannah Unknown and John Reddish
- Hieron Reddish+1 b. c 1733
Citations
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.
Emer Lou Doxie1
F, #9326, b. 27 May 1863, d. 26 July 1925
Emer Lou Doxie was born on 27 May 1863 at Calhoun County, Alabama.1 She married Seaborn Delk Mims, son of Leroy Clinton Mims and Sabina Killian, on 10 November 1878 at Alabama.1 Emer Lou Doxie died on 26 July 1925 at Mountainboro, Alabama, at age 62.1 She was buried after 26 July 1925 at Thrasher Cemetery, Alabama.1
Children of Emer Lou Doxie and Seaborn Delk Mims
- James Jackson Mims1 b. c 1880
- Erastus Vann Mims1 b. c 1882
- Mary Ellen Mims1 b. c 1884
- Leroy Clinton Mims II1 b. c 1886
- Henry Clay Mims1 b. c 1888
- John Story Mims1 b. c 1890
- Allie Mims1 b. c 1892
- Hobson Mims1 b. c 1894
- Claude Mims1 b. c 1896
Citations
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.
James Jackson Mims1
M, #9327, b. circa 1880
James Jackson Mims|b. c 1880|p129.htm#i9327|Seaborn Delk Mims|b. 29 Aug 1858\nd. 1935|p129.htm#i9110|Emer Lou Doxie|b. 27 May 1863\nd. 26 Jul 1925|p129.htm#i9326|Leroy C. Mims|b. c 1825|p71.htm#i5254|Sabina Killian||p71.htm#i5255|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 1 time removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
James Jackson Mims was born circa 1880 at Alabama.1 He was the son of Seaborn Delk Mims and Emer Lou Doxie.1
Citations
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.
Erastus Vann Mims1
M, #9328, b. circa 1882
Erastus Vann Mims|b. c 1882|p129.htm#i9328|Seaborn Delk Mims|b. 29 Aug 1858\nd. 1935|p129.htm#i9110|Emer Lou Doxie|b. 27 May 1863\nd. 26 Jul 1925|p129.htm#i9326|Leroy C. Mims|b. c 1825|p71.htm#i5254|Sabina Killian||p71.htm#i5255|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 1 time removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Erastus Vann Mims was born circa 1882 at Alabama.1 He was the son of Seaborn Delk Mims and Emer Lou Doxie.1
Citations
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.
Mary Ellen Mims1
F, #9329, b. circa 1884
Mary Ellen Mims|b. c 1884|p129.htm#i9329|Seaborn Delk Mims|b. 29 Aug 1858\nd. 1935|p129.htm#i9110|Emer Lou Doxie|b. 27 May 1863\nd. 26 Jul 1925|p129.htm#i9326|Leroy C. Mims|b. c 1825|p71.htm#i5254|Sabina Killian||p71.htm#i5255|||||||
Relationship=2nd cousin 1 time removed of Rev. Melvin Ray Holt Sr..
Mary Ellen Mims was born circa 1884 at Alabama.1 She was the daughter of Seaborn Delk Mims and Emer Lou Doxie.1
Citations
- [S362] Reddish Forum, online http://www,genforum.genealogy.com/reddish/messages/4.html, Message posted by Susan 31 Dec 1999.