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"We have no proof that this William Floyd is the son of John,
but as these notes relate, I have come to believe so.
Anna Cartlidge speculates that this William is the son of John
as I have shown. But I have previously left the line broken here
because there is no proof. However, in March, 2003, I have come
to believe these "two" Williams are the same William and will
henceforth record them as such. There is considerable, but
vague, evidence. Certainly, the two John Floyds who appeared
together at the Jackson Inaugural were thought to be cousins.
Anna Cartlidge by the 1960s thought William, the father of Col.
John Floyd, was a son of John of Accomac...
For the connection to the other Floyds of Amherst, assuming this
William is the other (now one), born 1721, died 1789. I used the
death date to keep the two separated in this data so the program
will not "merge" them, but have now made them the same. I show
them (him) born in 1721. I have come to believe: John, born
1657, John, 1680, and William, 1721.
The origin of the Floyds in 18th century Virginia is attributed
to any of several early Floyd settlers. The notes I have
scattered through this Floyd collection suggest a very early
origin, as early as 1623, but more likely 1637. William was
probably descended from 17th century Floyd settlers, possibly
among them Richard Floyd who traveled in 1654, Walter Floyd in
1632, or Nathaniel Floyd in 1637, and others of later date,
probably related to these.
The only cite I have found directly to a Floyd family member--
other than NJ's work and Governor Floyd's wife Letitia Preston--
is Collins' History of Kentucky, which quotes Letitia Preston
Floyd, born 1814, and who was Mrs. Lewis. See those notes under
her name.
And in Nov., 2002, Frances Noury Johnson, a great great
grandaughter of Dr. George Frederick Holmes, kindly sent me a
copy of his letter to Alexander Brown concerning the Floyds. His
wife Lavalette was a daughter of the first governor, John Floyd
of Virginia. This letter is owned by the library of the
University of North Carolina Manuscript Department, and they
note may be protected under copyright. He wrote from the
University of Virginia on 17 May 1886:
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Alexander Brown, Esq.
Nelson Co., Va.
Dear Sir,
The interesting items of Davis genealogy have been communicated
to Mrs. Holmes, and I send for her such items of interest as she
possesses. They are slight, and disconnected, but are of such a
character to explain and work in with the information which you
may possess, or may obtain.
The Indian blood has always been recognized in the Floyd family,
and was very manifest in her brother, Dr. William Floyd, and in
her father, the first Governor Floyd. It was equally apparent in
complexion, hair, and frame. John Floyd, the father of the first
Governor Floyd, went to Kentucky. He was the son of William
Floyd and Abigail Davis. Through Abby Davis the Indian blood
came.
She was the daughter of Robert Davis, Sr. of Amherst, who was
the son of an Indian squaw. The unbroken tradition is that this
squaw, the mother of the said Robert Davis, was descended from
Opecancanough, not a Catawba, but a Powhatan Indian. Her husband
was reported to have been an Indian trader settled in Amherst
County.
In riding up, from Jordan's farm on James River, through the
rolling foothills, the thick pines and the thin lands, along the
base of the Blue Ridge, I was shown the neighbourhood where the
tradition of a Floyd settlement still lingered.
It was always recognized that the Floyds and the Venables were
related, but the relationship was never understood, till
explained to me by the late Abraham Venable of North Carolina,
who moved to that State from Virginia, after the adoption of the
Va. Constitution of 1881. He told me, that he often heard in his
boyhood of Aunt Abby Floyd. His father, possibly his grandfather
having married her sister, whose name was, I think, Martha.
From this same Davis origin are descended the Powells and
Robertsons of Amherst and the Maryes of Fredericksburg, as well
as the Browns.
Robert Davis Jr. who migrated to Kentucky with the first
settlers, was accompanied by a brother. Both were killed by the
Indians, in the Bear Grass settlement where the kinsman had a
fort.
Presdt. Jefferson Davis, who married Genl. Taylor's daughter, at
the home of my wife's Aunt in Louisville, was supposed at the
time to be an offshoot from the "black Davises" of Kentucky, my
wife's people and yours.
We are unable to give any information in regard to either of the
wives of Robert Davis Sr. about whom you inquire.
Now, can you tell me, in what part or parts of Florida, John and
Absalom Davis's descendants are to be found.
I have a son living in Marion County.
I should be glad to hear any further discoveries you may make,
as I am interested in these inquiries.
Yours Resp.
Geo. Fred. Holmes
END QUOTE
Some of the earlier-- that is before William-- Floyds are shown
in these notes elsewhere, but I have detached this William, John
Floyd's father, from them. For a time I carried William as the
son of Samuel, but dates and other information from Marguerite
Evans Mathews lead me to believe that may not the case. See
Samuel Floyd, born 1718, for more on all this. However, I do
think it likely that William descends in some fashion from John
Floyd, born perhaps in Accomac County, 1657. As Anna Cartlidge
said in her 1966 work, while there is little chance that William
of Amherst and Samuel were brothers, they are beyond a doubt
descended from a common ancestor. She notes Brice Claggett's (a
Floyd descendant of the Ga. Floyds) assertion that Gov. John
Floyd and Gen. John Floyd looked so much alike they were
mistaken for each other. As is mentioned elsewhere, they were
guests at the White House Inaugural festivities of Andrew
Jackson, and probably other functions.
Perhaps one of the best cogitations about William's heritage is
contained in William B. Marye's letters to Richard Hill of the
Filson Club, August 10-25th, 1962, and here kindly summarized by
the marvellous researcher Alexandra Luken of Louisville, Ky, who
is quoted and cited dozens of times in these notes for her work
on this and related families:
LETTERS AND NOTES FROM ALEX LUKEN BEGIN
William Marye's great-grandmother Marye was Anna Maria Burton,
of Albemarle Co. VA who married in 1816, John Lawrence Marye of
Brompton (Marye's Heights) near Fredericksburg VA. Her mother
was Elizabeth Powell, the daughter of Wiatt Powell of Amherst
Co. VA by his wife Sally Floyd, daughter of William Floyd and
Abadiah Davis. ( .... he mentions that NJ made serious errors in
family data, and was irked that he referred to Wiatt Powell as
"Wyatt Powell" and being from Northampton Co., when in fact
several generations came from Caroline Co. I am left with the
impression that he regards NJ's book as a collection of family
stories). (Editor: This is NJ Floyd's 1912 work, frequently
cited, but frequently wrong.)
William Floyd appears in Albemarle co. in 1745/6 when he
received a bounty for a wolf's head, and he bought and sold land
there in 1750-1. Late in life he removed to what is now Kentucky
and was one of the earliest settlers of Jefferson County, where
on the Floyd's Fork of the Salt River he was living with his
sons Robert and Charles as late as 1789.
William Floyd in naming his children seems to have been
scrupulous in bestowing on them a due proportion of Christian
names taken from his wife's family and I believe he did the same
for his own family. He called a daughter Abadiah after his wife,
a son Robert after his wife's father, another son Nathaniel
after his wife's grandfather Davis, and another son Isham who is
his wife's uncle. His eldest son was Col. John Floyd and his
second son was named Charles which suggests the theory that his
father was a John Floyd and his grandfather a Charles Floyd.
(Editor: this is not the order I have; indeed John is older than
Charles, but Isham is older than John.... nor do I think the
elder earlier Charles is in the direct line, but that it is
William, 1721, to his father John, 1680, thence to John born abt
1657... )
John Floyd the founder of the Eastern Shore family was in
Northampton Co. by 1639. He died in 1687. He was one-fourth
owner of Hog Island and took up another sea island which
contained 400 acres. I do not think he was ever wealthy and he
held no important office. One of his sons, Charles Floyd, was a
member of the of the House of Burgesses and died intestate in
1719. He had a son, John, whose inventory was taken in 1744. I
think it quite possible that he was the father of our William
Floyd, but at any rate, it seems not improbable that William
Floyd was a grandson of Charles Floyd.
Comments on NJ Floyd from William Marye: Capt. Floyd was born in
1828. His father, Nathaniel Wilson Floyd, was the son of Charles
Floyd, who was in turn the son of William Floyd. Captain Floyd's
father was 35 years old when his father died, and his father was
over 34 years old when William Floyd was living in KY. In other
words, it is quite likely that Captain Floyd got his information
about the family coming from the Eastern Shore from his father,
who would have gotten it from his father, who would have known
it to be true. William Floyd may not have had a lot to say about
his parents or where he came from, and the story of his coming
over the Bay from the Eastern Shore may be an invention, but I
think that it is probably true.
On page 108 and 109 of the Floyd Biographical Genealogies NJ
Floyd tells how he came into possession of a book called "A
Little Family History" by Mary Floyd Hamilton, a granddaughter
of Charles Floyd who went to SC from Northampton Co. and thence
to GA. Capt. Floyd implies that the Ga. Floyds were known to be
cousins. He quotes a letter he received from Mary Floyd McAdoo,
whose father was the son of Gen. John Floyd. It seems he was the
only child of the aforesaid Charles Floyd. Her account of the
family agrees with that of Mary Floyd Hamilton, but does not
seem to be based on it. She adds a generation: Samuel and Susan
Dixon Floyd.
The line of Northampton Floyds begins with John Floyd who was
living in that county in 1629, when he was involved with a suit
with Anthony Hoskins. In the 1666 Tax List he is listed with
John Wilkins, no slaves. In 1681 he was one of 4 patentees of
Hog Island, 2200 acres. He left a will in which he mentions his
sons and daughters, including a son Charles, who died in 1719.
In 1704 Charles was taxed on 400 acres, so it is doubtful that
he was ever wealthy. Charles left a will in which he mentions
his children including a son Samuel. I believe this Samuel was
the g.g.grandfather of old Mrs. McAdoo. She says he married
Susan Dixon.
Charles Floyd had a son named John whose inventory was filed in
Northampton Co. in 1744. He died intestate, and his eldest son
would have inherited his land if he had any. Our William appears
in Albemarle Co. in 1745. In view of the well attested
relationship between the Albemarle Co. Kentucky Floyds and the
Georgia Floyds, I think it is very possible that William Floyd
was the son of John Floyd, son of Charles. (Editor: In my notes
I have reported this as the most possible.)
I looked up Collins History of Kentucky, 1874. The authorities
which he gives for his statements concerning Col. John Floyd are
quite impressive. He was corresponding with a granddaughter of
Col. Floyd, Mrs. Lewis (Editor: this is Letitia Preston Floyd
born in 1814 of John Floyd (born 1783) who married William Lynn
Lewis in 1837) and may have obtained the Floyd ancestry
information from her. He says that two brothers came over from
Wales and settled in Accomac Co. VA. One of them was Col.
Floyd's grandfather. From them, he says, all Floyds of VA-KY-GA
are descended.
LETTERS END
N.J. Floyd, Biographical Genealogies of the Kentucky-Virginia
Floyds, 1912: Southern Biographies and Genealogies, 1500s-1940s
William Floyd, the progenitor of the Virginia-Kentucky branch of
the family, was born in Accomac County, Virginia, about the year
1721. He was a son or grandson (more likely the latter) of John
Floyd, the wealthy owner of over two thousand acres of fine
tobacco land in Accomac and Northampton Counties. He received
the rudiments of a substantial education, which was completed
only in the line of mathematics. He commenced active life as a
surveyor working in the James River Valley from the settlement
at Richmond up to the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. In
a region which was little more than a primeval forest, now known
as Amherst County, he patented a body of land on which he made a
home for himself. A dozen miles distant was the commodious
Bungalow of Nathaniel Davis, a Welshman by descent, and one of
the very early settlers in that region. He had made quite a
large fortune by trading with the Catawba and other Indians, and
by locating choice river-bottom lands from the present site of
Lynchburg up to the Balcony Falls. Mr. Davis had among other
children a beautiful daughter named Abadiah, whom the young man
fell in love with and won for his bride. She was of excellent
Welsh ancestry on her father's side, and one fourth of her blood
on her mother's side, was derived from the most distinguished
Indian ancestry. Her mother's mother, Nicketti-- Indian
equivalent for "Beautiful Flower"--was a granddaughter of the
noted Powhatan (the daughter of his youngest daughter) while the
father of Nicketti was a chief of the small but warlike Cayuga
tribe. Nicketti, whom the white people dubbed "Princess
Nicketti," married a noted Scotch hunter and fur trader by the
name of Hughes who made his chief headquarters near the
beautiful Balcony Falls of James River, where Nathaniel Davis
met and married a daughter of his who was the mother of Abadiah.
(ed.: through these pages I have at times taken issue with this
rendering, but the Floyd family tradition is so well known that
it needs to be recorded here.)
William Floyd was mentioned in his son's 1782 will.
Here is one of William's land deals recorded in early Amherst,
courtesy Alex Luken and the Web site noted for Mathews, and note
the names!
"Albemarle Co., VA Deed Books & Amherst Co., VA early deeds....
"14 Aug 1750 Wm Floyd- signed also by WM. MATTHEWS at end- to
Saml. Burks Jr. for L100, 400 acres upper side of Pedlar. Wit:
Wm Cabell, Matt. Jordan. (This is doubtless the famous Floyd
family of Amherst. It will be recalled by researchers that
Pedlar River became part of area of Amherst)" on the site at
Other transactions in the county are reported here:
http://users.rcn.com/deeds/Amherst.txt
342 Wm Floyd 25 Sep 1746 PB 24:503-1 400a Goochlan/S s Pedlar
Riv
34 Wm Floyd 3 Mar 1760 PB 33:703-1 400a Albemarl/N s of a N br
of Horsleys Ck
50 Wm Floyd 14 Jul 1769 PB 38:662-1 300a Amherst/S s Pedlar Riv
on Enchanted Mt
Anna Cartlidge in her unpublished 1966 paper states her belief
that William was descended from the John Floyd born abt 1676 (I
carry 1680) in these notes. She also notes that William was born
in 1721 and died in Ky. in 1800.
References to these Floyds are found in: "Life and Diary of John
Floyd, Governor of Virginia, an Apostle of Secession, and Father
of the Oregon Country" by Charles H Ambler; "Children and
Grandchildren of William and Abadiah (Davis) Floyd," compiled by
Anna Margaret Cartlidge 1966; "Col John Floyd: Reluctant
Adventurer" by Anna M. Cartlidge and published in Register of
the Kentucky Historical Society, #66, 1968; "In a Dangerous
Situation - Letters of Col. John Floyd" edited by Neal Hammon
and James Russell Harris, printed in Register of the Kentucky
Historical Society, #83, 1985, and "Genealogy of the Floyd and
Stewart Families" by Pauline Stewart Crosley, 1899. (courtesy of
Tuck Wilson) I would add the Winning of the West by Theodore
Roosevelt, usually in 4 volumes, about 1904.
There are almost numberless Floyds in the 1870s Virginia and
West Virginia region, which by their names (William, Abby, and
so on, must descend in some way from these early Floyds... the
ones who did not go west, or, as Alex Luken says, "the ones left
behind...." We are working to find the ties that bind these
families together... if those ties exist. The problem is that we
know so little-- or nothing-- of this William's (1721- )
brothers or sisters... a similar gap is how William himself is
related to the SC and Ga. Floyds.... (November 2002)
From Ray Isbell, , March 2002, a Floyd descendant of a different
line, this kind note:
"Hi, Pat, William Floyd of Amherst was the brother of John Floyd
II, according to some descendants of John in S.C. 100 years ago
(which was still 100 years after the fact) and in some books in
Newberry Co, SC, the most recent being the Bicentennial History
of Newberry, which stated they were brothers. If I recall, it's
also stated or inferred in the book The Kentucky Floyd Families,
isn't it? (Ed. this is the N.J. Floyd 1912 work.)
I don't have anything substantial either, but I thought Alex
Luken's statement in her email (below) was interesting. I need
to more carefully dissect these statements and determine whether
there is anything proving this was the William who was Capt.
John's brother. Capt. John Floyd III's father (m. Ann Hurst)
owned land adjoining wife Nancy Andrews' father William Andrews
in VA., which helps identify them. I believe John Floyd II is
proved as having sons John (III) and William (of Amherst?)"
Alex's note: "....... This is what I find exciting: John Floyd
m. Ann Hurst is right age to be a brother of William Floyd m.
Abadiah Davis. There is some sort of elusive Hurst-Floyd
connection that I would run across-- Robert Clark Floyd, son of
Wm. Floyd and Abadiah Davis, was involved with a lawsuit in
Vincennes IN in 1802-- US v. Hurst. Also, the name Woodford Lee
Hurst and Martin Floyd Hurst b. ca. 1828 in Indiana pops up, and
Martin Floyd Hurst named a son Woodford Floyd Hurst. Woodford
Floyd is a desendant of William Floyd, and Lee is a middle name
used in the family. Also, the given names in John Floyd m. Nancy
Andrews family are consistent with Floyd family naming patterns.
Regards, Alex Luken"
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Sources
Title: Biographical Genealogies of the Kentucky-Virginia Floyd
Families, N. J. Floyd, 1912
Media: Book
Note: Biographical Genealogies of the Virginia Kentucky Floyd
Family, Nicholas Jackson Floyd , 1912
Title: Anna Cartlidge in her unpublished work on the Floyds,
1966, citing Charles Floyd bible
Title: Preston/Floyd Bible preserved in the Library of Virginia,
from the Web courtesy Alex Luken, April 2002
Text: Preston Family Bible, # 26190 at the Library of Virginia,
originally owned by N. Floyd Holmes, 1808 Boston Avenue, Fort
Pierce, Florida. He made the notation that it was a present to
Laetitia Pre
ston Floyd from her mother, Mrs. Susanna Smith Preston.
Title: Anna Cartlidge gives his death in 1800 in some of her
writings
Title: Ruth McConigly, op. cit."
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