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Author: michael walker Date: 15 Jan 2002
Surnames: Cave, Echols
Classification: Query
There must be tens of thousands and probably hundreds of
thousands of people who descend from John Echols who married
Mary Cave. And everywhere you look on the Internet, including
many nicely designed websites, we have recorded that this Mary
Cave was the daughter of John Cave and Elizabeth Travers, who
herself was the daughter of Giles Travers and Ann Waugh. I
accept the very very strong possibility that John Echols wife
Mary was a Cave, based on their g-grandson Milner Echols's
records as well as the many early Cave - Echols connections
which he would not have known about. However, Milner also states
Mary was the daughter of John Cave. This may be true, (or may
possibly not be, a very early David Cave seems another
possibility). Even if John Cave is Mary's father, however, it
can't be the same John Cave who married Elizabeth Travers! Why?
Many reasons, but a clear one is this. Mary (Cave) Echols birth
date is not known, but she started having children in the late
1690's. So she was born probably ca 1670 maybe as late as 1680.
Some records estimate 1674. Well, Elizabeth Travers's father,
Giles Travers, was born ca 1662 proven by various records. So
can someone explain to me how Giles could have had a
grandaughter Mary Cave who was born when he was twelve years
old? My personal opinion is that John Cave who married Elizabeth
Travers, was the nephew or possibly even grand nephew of Mary
Cave Echols. He could NOT have been her father. Please don't
take this posting as confrontational. However it would be a
great service if those many people who have posted on their
webpages and elsewhere, the incorrect data that Mary Cave
Echols' s parents were John Cave and Elizabeth Travers, would
remove that incorrect data, and even contact other descendants
they have (I realize unwittingly and with no malice) passed this
mistake on to.
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Father: JOHN de GRAY |
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Mother: Martha WILLS |
_Thomas "The Seagull" GREEN II_+
| (1635 - 1714) m 1664
_Thomas Abner GREEN III_|
| (1680 - 1730) m 1715 |
| |_Martha FILMER ________________+
| (1640 - ....) m 1664
_Thomas Marston GREEN Sr._|
| (1723 - 1805) m 1752 |
| | _Thomas MARSTON _______________
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| |_Elizabeth MARSTON _____|
| (1692 - 1759) m 1715 |
| |_Elizabeth MARVEL _____________
| (1670 - 1759)
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|--Abraham GREEN
| (1774 - 1826)
| _William WILLS ________________+
| | (1662 - 1713) m 1680
| _Filmer WILLS __________|
| | (1699 - 1752) m 1732 |
| | |_Elizabeth JONES ______________+
| | (1666 - ....) m 1680
|_Martha WILLS ____________|
(1734 - 1783) m 1752 |
| _William HARWOOD of Warwick____+
| | (1686 - 1737)
|_Ann HARWOOD ___________|
(1714 - 1748) m 1732 |
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Father: Cornelius Ferdinand NEAL Mother: Amanda MORGAN |
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| _David MORGAN _______+
| | (1780 - 1836) m 1806
| _William Pierce MORGAN ______|
| | (1826 - ....) m 1841 |
| | |_Mary ANDREWS _______+
| | (.... - 1868) m 1806
|_Amanda MORGAN ____________|
(1850 - ....) m 1883 |
| _Nathan SANDERS _____+
| | (1792 - 1856) m 1810
|_Angeline Cassandra SANDERS _|
(1824 - ....) m 1841 |
|_Cynthia BENNETT ____
(1795 - 1879) m 1810
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